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hot and bothered listeners, but also many, many material girl listeners. I hope so too! For those who don't know, hot and bothered is our show where we watch romance movies and analyze them. And for this live episode, we are going to be analyzing Notting Hill, which is 25 years old this year. It can rent a car.
So, if you want to hear us talk about Hugh Grant's floppy hair, how many smiles Julia Roberts has, and everything else in between getting just those two things, then you should join us on Sunday, September 8th at the Ballard Homestead. You can buy tickets at notstoryworks.com, and we'd love to see you there! We really wet. We really, really wet. Right on a mini train. You can have it all at the shopping. Hello and welcome to another special episode of Material Girls,
Colin Material Concerns. Our, I don't want to say bonus, because I think it's currently our majority of episodes, but you know, our research light chat heavy fun episodes. I'm Hannah McRigor. Fun heavy. I'm fun heavy. I'm Marcel Cotsman. Oh my god. In a recent episode, Marcel posed to the question that somebody had asked, um, chunky or smooth peanut butter, but instead, when first reading it out loud, she says she said smooth or chunky jazz. And the way I keep thinking about
getting a cramped stamp tattoo that says chunky jazz. Horrible. Horrible. Oh my god. You need everybody to know that coach quietly saying horrible underneath what Marcel and I are saying is, if you frequently edited it out, it's the future of the podcast. I'm just usually out of mute. I'm going, I'm going.
I was like, was it good? I'm like, it was awesome. Oh my god. Yeah, you're so smart. If people like when you talk, yeah, how do these two goddamn academics manage to say the most interesting things? I'm like, why is Pearl Optimism so gross when they talk about it? I just bit takes sparkly water into my own open closet. So this alive recording is going great. I have some questions to start us off if you're already sure. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, so ready.
Okay, you're a great question from Becca. The question is, how is it different covering something that is Zikai Ste. Now versus something that was Zikai Ste. in the past? Like, is one more fun or challenging? Is your process different? I personally find it much harder to do the research for a contemporary phenomenon, like a really contemporary one because something that is like, guys, Steve, right now is like all discourse, no context. So like lots and lots of people are saying
lots and lots of things, but we've got no distance at which to think about it. And it's harder to do that sort of step back broad context piece. Whereas like, even five years of distance really brings a lot of stuff into focus really makes it easier to pick out like what's significant and what's just noise. I remember I was doing my PhD, Jade Ferguson, beloved icon of the show. I was doing contemporary literature and she's a 19th centuryist. And she was like, I don't understand how
people talk about contemporary stuff. How can you possibly know anything about stuff that's happening right now? I kind of identified with that. I think similarly, I have found that anytime I've tried to provide context for anything within the last five years, I'm like, well, COVID. Well, there was a global pandemic that shut everything down and therefore, it's just like,
not it's not untrue. It's just that it's like how many times are we going to be like, well, let's talk about the COVID-19 pandemic and how that had an impact on fucking everything. I mean, people never shut up about the enlightenment. So I feel like we can talk about the pandemic for a while. There's something so like not like vulgar but like shocking when you use its full name now, when you're like the COVID-19, I'm like, ah, do I need, it gets horrible no matter what,
but when you like say it that way, it brings you back to a time when it wasn't so casual. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, a little trickery. I don't know why that made me think about this, this line that a student of mine wrote in the midst of the pandemic, she was writing a script for something. And she said, we can't spend time with our friends anymore because of the disease. Yeah, that's like, oh, no, it's a line right out of an apocalyptic novel. Totally.
Yeah, when when it was brand new and I know, well, I'm sorry, but it's who was a big deal. Some of us are still recovering. After this, I'm going to talk about Kant for like five minutes. Elliot was how old was she when it when it started, she turned five during the pandemic. So, so yeah, so she was four when it first started. And I was trying to find a way to like explain what it was that was happening and trying to like use language that she would both understand
and that also would not frighten her. And so I referred to it as the sickness. And hearing a child talk about the sickness is haunting. So I did a bad job. Oh, funny. Sorry, everybody. It's like I'm happy with it. I'm a horror because of the sickness. Yeah, it's like, yeah, we can't go see Nana and grandma this Christmas because of the sickness. Horrible. Can't you see the horror trailer already where it's like, yeah, don't look now. It's
to sickness. And it's like the sickness coming to theaters in October. Crushing your global economy, this, this March. Yeah. A March horror movie. We have another question now from our chat. So I'm going to pop back from our Patreon to our live chatters. And let me just go back up to to to to do. Well, one somebody said a DNS said petitioner rename free jazz is chunky jazz. Yep. Correct. Okay. Paula has a question. Have you ever thought about making an episode on fidget
spinners? We haven't but I would love to let. Yeah. Like fidgets. Let's make an episode about fidgets and the rise of fidgets. Yeah. Yeah. Oh gosh. Ellie, it has a lot of poppets. They didn't work for her. Yeah. They don't work for me either. I got a ton of fidgets and it turns out the only one that actually works for me is like the silly putty. Yeah. I didn't get in my camp this week doing that really good stuff. The only one that works for me is is swinging in my
chair like this and coach hasn't gotten me in trouble for it for a while. She's not allowed to. She says that it makes for bad audio. Can you imagine if I said you had like a fidgets for the entire time? Oh yeah. Just like what? I'm telling you that was all week with these little campers. Oh yeah. I was camp counseling and it was that traumatized me. But they all were just like why I need it. And I'm like okay. I'm like you probably do but also like I can't
like read my ears. Like I will kill you. Oh yeah. It was someone's like talking about playing with the telephone cord in the 90s classic. Yeah. Oh gee. Did somebody write down the idea of doing an episode about fidgets? Yes. Somebody's gonna write that down. Surely one of us with 80s. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Oh or Joe. I'm not sure. Joe from Patreon said for any of the episodes so far were there any critical theory frameworks you were close to choosing rather than the one that you ended up choosing for the episode? Definitely. For sure. Mm. Marcel you had one that you had up doing for you were like kind of not far into one but you were like I really thought it was gonna be this but actually it's gonna be this. Oh I have no memory of that. That sounds cool.
Yeah. I will say what you were what a cool research process. When Marcel pitched sweet potato fries. I don't think I don't think she necessarily changed her her focus but she surprised us all because I think we really all thought that it was gonna be about like hipsters and food trends and and then it was about everybody repeat after me the bio fortified or which flesh sweet potato sweet potato. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. It was about food
colonization which frankly fascinating. The frankly so much more interesting than hipsters. Yeah. I usually start with like a really vague sense but I would say the one that pivoted the most in terms of what I decided the focus was gonna be on was the blackout Tuesday episode
because I originally thought I actually care about what theoretical framework we used. I wanted to talk about like the concept of performative activism and I wanted to talk about the social media landscape and I think we ended up talking about platformization and then transformation of social media but for like a while I was doing a lot of research into ideas of performative activism, performativity, like there was gonna be a whole butler component and then I was like
actually no like it didn't feel like it was opening up interesting conversations to me. It felt kind of like a like a critical brick wall. Right. Yeah. This question of like well at the end of the day how does one know anybody's motivations when they're doing things and what's the relationship between performativity and ethics and I was just like I don't want I don't want to do that. I don't
feel like an interesting question to me. I feel like there are some things, some frameworks, some combinations of the frameworks plus objective study make for really good conversations and others seem like yeah that would make for a very clear and straightforward paper
but we're not writing papers for having conversations and and so it's sort of like you could make a variety of arguments about sweet potato fries but like the one that produces the most like a hug in the actual conversation is maybe not the one that you see coming. Trying to maximize the number of times people go. Oh. Oh. Oh. Literally all I ever try to do when I do research for these for these episodes is to surprise Hannah and every fucking time she's like oh I read that book already.
Great. Yeah. Great. Fuck you. I haven't won time. Great. Well also like more importantly. Hannah's like I think it's by and then you'll name this like person with nine names. You're like James Henry Johnson, Mick Gaber and I'm like how do you know this like how do you remember this like a random academic academic you're like and it was published like 2018 I'm like what are you. That's the big and then the correction is like oh sorry actually no it was published in 27
years. Sorry. I read was the re-edited edition that was published in 29. Yeah. And that's no you guys got a totally different critical introduction. Yeah. Just to shout out some chatter. Mama Mia says the difference between making an argument and showing interesting conversations is so interesting that's what makes this podcast so good. Which is really nice. Thank you. Which is really nice. And I agree. Can I tell you guys something so cute? My mom in texting she in the last few texts to
me has wanted to include like the cross your fingers emoji but keeps doing this. The heart. The little Gen Z heart. Yeah. Oh my god. And I'm not I'm not going to tell you this. Is that how you do it? Yeah. It feels like I need to move my arm in an angle. It doesn't want to be at to do that. This is good audio. This is such good audio. Anyway. Let's answer another question. Great. Julia asks what makes your hearts flutter
a little extra these days? Swimming in the ocean. Yeah. Swimming in a natural body of water like has such a powerful like emotional healing capacity for me. Like it's not just like physically pleasant like it's hot and it's nice to get into cool. It's like I feel like the ocean heals my soul. It makes me feel like I'm both like part of something but also so so small in the grand scheme of things and like just just another little weird animal just floating in the ocean.
It's a little piece of seaweed like it just it really really makes me feel better. I got to figure out of have more water in my life in the winter but that is that is what is is really doing it for me. I have a question aqua fit. Yeah aqua fit. Yeah was that a question aqua fit? Yeah aqua fit and I know is that a gym or is that like a thing? Is that like what's aqua fit? It's when you do it's when you do exercise in aqua fitness in America. We just call it fitness. Yeah all their fitness
is aqua. I just don't be adding on aqua fit. Okay. Okay. Okay. I think I was thinking aqua fit. Okay. My question was enough. Enough. My question was always cold plunging. There's their big culture of that in Vancouver. Yeah. Yeah. Could you like tap into that? On New Year's day cold water swimming. It's not even just cold plunging. People year round cold water swimming. Yeah cool. In wet suits but still your long oceans going to get wet if you jump in the water.
Yeah. A great point. There is a huge collective polar bear. We call them polar bear swims in Canada. Polar bear plunge. Yeah. And there's a huge collective one that happens on New Year's day in Vancouver. Like it's a massive so-of-like city event and people just like thousands of people go and all run into the ocean. I love that. Yeah. How many come back? Oh like two? Man that ocean is full of polar bears. It's actually just the purge. There's so many polar bears they're so hungry.
I'm pretty glad you guys have heard about the ice caps. They're making the right of Vancouver we are. Oh go on myself. Yeah. No I was gonna tell a fact that's a bummer and we don't need to do that. No thanks. Tell us about what makes your heart flutter. Wait but before you do that we eat. What? Why? I'm talking so much more than I planned. I mean the time of my life. I was like oh just be there quietly. I'm like I'm a third home.
Oh I'm so excited. Absolutely not. I don't feel like it. I feel like I'm like talking. Okay but here's my line that I live by when it comes to water which is what you provided me in it which is that if a local invites you to go into the body of water go in. So like when I'm visiting whatever visited the front in San Francisco and it was like super cold and she was like beach probably do like a dump even though it's gonna be like 40 degrees and my body was physically
capable of doing that. I was like yes because I live by the rule that if a local tells me I should go in I do it and then you get all these mixed fuzz you get all these like lovely cleanses and in the waters. So anyway if I go to Vancouver and you're like get into that water like I would do regardless of you are going with me. You get you get me ocean. What's really fun about Alberta is that almost none of the bodies of water are safe to get into. Yeah I know.
So I wouldn't say never. That's not true. We have lots of glacial lakes. Lots of glacial lakes. Yeah and those are fun to get into. I love that. If a bit brisk. Yeah. My dad works in B2B marketing. He came by my school for career day and said he was a big row as man. Then he told everyone how much he loved calculating his return on ad spend.
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Isn't that right Vanessa? Yes Hannah we are going to Seattle, Washington. We are going to do a live show where I hope that we see hot and bothered listeners but also many many material girl listeners. I hope so too. For those who don't know hot and bothered is our show where we watch romance movies and analyze them and for this live episode we are going to be analyzing Notting Hill which is
25 years old this year. It can rent a car. So if you want to hear us talk about Hugh Grant's floppy hair, how many smiles Julia Roberts has and everything else in between getting just those two things then you should join us on Sunday September 8th at the Ballard Homestead. You can buy tickets at notstoryworks.com and we'd love to see you there. We really what? We really really what? What about you Marcel? What's my favorite footer? What? I mean my youngest child is
on the edge of my feet right now. Are you going to tell us something cute that Cohen is up to because that was my hope? I'm not. I'm not. No I'm going to talk about how hard it is to think about things that make my heart flutter because three is such a vile age. And he's so wonderful and we love him so much but the number of times that I've been like if I lived close to a woods I would take him. I would real good thing I would love to live in the woods. Exactly. There are no wells in
this neighborhood. He is so cute though. So that's really good. I'm not sure. I'm not sure what's making it work. We're going to go on a little family trip soon. We're going to go we're going to fly to Montreal. And then while we're in Montreal or not while but like after spending a few days in Montreal we're going to take the train to Ontario to connect with my mom and my grandma and we're going to be there for a little while. And then at the end of that visit we're going to go to Toronto
for a baseball game. Wow. You're going to go see the blue jays play against the Oakland A's, the Oakland athletics. Jays games are so fun. And then we're going to go to Hamilton which is where
Trevor's family is and then we're going to come home and it's going to be really nice. We got to compare dates because at the end of July I am going to Ottawa to see my family which will include a visit to Picton and then my friends Aaron and Bart and Elizabeth are going to pick me up and we are going to drive to Quebec City and spend the night and then drive the rest of the way to Nova
Scotia to stay at their cottage. Oh that's so fun. So we're going to be. That's fun. Yeah. We're going to be two ships passing in the night and it sounds like recording is going to be really complicated thing. God for that summer slow down. Wow. And it's just so funny because no one decided to tell coach that they'd be five hours away from New York. No one decided. I could get to Montreal and I could get to Montreal. I'd like to be a lot of people. Oh my god. Yeah okay
I'll come to Montreal. Well I definitely it's all my to do. I was saying to my roommate two days ago. I was like I got to go to Montreal and speaking of Amy Mitchell said in the chat a while ago I visited Montreal tried Poutine amazing. Yeah. Oh really solid food. Like yes. Really if you haven't had it and you've only ever heard of it as a Canadian joke food. Yeah. It's like it's a very good invention. And then it's really really good. Ryan said Poutine and it was so caramel. I don't
know what that is. The special caramel. That sounds delicious. The special caramel. I don't know what it is. Our standard recommendations and then somebody else said Montreal bagels. Mmm. Vashon has something to do with a cow. It has to. It's probably. It has to. It's something with caramel sauce. Something dairy with caramel sauce. A little caramel cow. Yeah Ryan you drop the little bite of that cow after you drizzle it in caramel sauce. Okay okay. Montreal bagels.
So there are two long established bagel providers. Okay. For the ears of bagel. Okay. Sameviator and Fairmont. Fairmont is less famous but 100% better. Okay. So I would recommend eating from both. Getting the t-shirts from sameviator because Fairmont doesn't sell t-shirts. But but no one your heart that Fairmont is better. Okay. It's fantastic. And don't if it's been raining be very careful when you walk past the bagel arise because you will slip and fall
because there are so many sesame seeds. It's dangerous. That's a joke. It's dangerous. It's not a joke. It's so funny. It's not a joke. There are so many sesame seeds. It's so funny. It's so funny. Sesame seeds. Sesame seeds. Flurries. Only at the intersection of. Oh my god. Only at the intersection of Saint-Torberre and Fairmont. Some shout out from the chat. DMS says I just ate but y'all are making me hungry. Korean says Kera Caramel are packaged pastries by the company Vashel in both.
So did I say that? We're Max Bernier's from. And then. And then Mary confirmed that yes my mom always says they're cute so you don't kill him. I think referencing children. Babies. Yeah. Yeah. They're not the babies. Or cows. Yeah. Two to three year olds. Cute so you don't kill them. Yeah. Okay. We have a kind of like a controversy to talk about. Oh. Is that the second half of Bridgerton? Not yet. Okay. But the point did promise that to the people. And we should do that
after this question. The real bait and switch. Let's talk about reservation dogs. Oh. That reservation dog is so good. Okay. Sorry. Watch it now. We had a comment on Patreon from Sarah who said I did not have a coherent and I'm here. I'm going to say I'm going to read this with love. Don't shoot the messenger or don't don't slap the coach. I don't know what's the phrase. That is that good. I'm sorry. Is this love episode an accountability process? I'm calling you in.
I can't I can't do that live. I need time to be an asshole. I'm proud of it. Don't worry. Don't worry. Okay. Sarah says I don't have a coherent question but I want to somehow want to call them out on dissing teen dramas recently because it's such an amazing genre was literally my object to stay for my masters and I think they were overly dismissive. Let me say I don't remember that happening. So I'm not saying you all didn't do it but I can't remember when this was because I
think of us as like a teen drama supporting loving company. I love teen terms. So now I'm calling you in. What did you say off like? What did you tweet? I'm going to blame this on Malika for editing us in a way that makes us sound like we did. I listened to the final edits. So I'm like when do we talk about that? Do you have any idea? Is it just me? Is it me because I didn't watch any of any of the major teen dramas? But you I don't I don't feel like you were just
dismissive about that. I'm not trying to I'm listening. I'm hearing the feedback but I'm just trying to be like when with this that happened. So you know, let's just correct the record. Generally speaking, I'm going to go first kind of set the tone. Just that. Coach, I love you so much. Give me an inch. I'll take 45 minutes. More of this. I love it. When I say I love teen dramas, I grew up on them. I think they made me a better writer. They
made me a more empathetic person. I think they taught me a lot about the female gays. And I don't ever want to dismiss it about them. So I'll speak I'll say that. I'll say that. And popcorn. Okay. Some Marcel. The chilling adventures of Sabrina, the teenage which was incredible. One of my favorite television shows. I love to talk at length about that. That was really fun. Is that like the reboot? Yeah, it was the reboot. It was awesome.
I don't know. I love reading romances about teens falling in love, especially like you know, when nothing bad happens to them. Yeah, they just get to, you know, like teens. I know I keep I keep coming back to it, but Dante and oh shit. Now I can't remember the name of it. Don't be just this a verse. This is live. I know. Aristotle and Dante discover the secrets of the universe is little little m4m romance. And it's so beautiful in other lands also. Oh my god.
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It just sound like me. Okay. I just feel like it's probably, it was probably me because here we got something in the chat. That's okay. What did I say? What did I say? Suena said. I remember Hannah saying something about not liking media that focused on teens as much because she's not as interested in the internal life of teens at some point. But maybe maybe that's it. That's what I was about. But you're allowed to know about the internal life
teens about to reiterate. It is a it is a always for me a like how do I put this? It is tricky sometimes to have media that is politically attacked a lot for reasons I don't agree with. That I personally also don't enjoy. Right. Right. So it's like I don't really like teen content. Yeah. I don't like teen dramas. I mostly don't like books with teen protagonists. I did I read a ton of it when I was a teen or actually more likely a kid. Like I got into adult.
This is a little advanced. Adult fiction quite young. An advanced reader. What can I say? I was an advanced reader. You're 500 people go yeah we know. We're learning. I'm Bob in my choir and somebody had me make a voice note of the lyrics for the the chorus. I was the only one who could get the word. Bob. Badu. Bob. Bob. Badu. Bob. Do. Bob. Badu. Badu. Bob. Do. I was like I was like I was like I lost this piece.
You used to prove it useful. Yeah. And so it's one of those things where it's like I don't like it. I don't particularly want to read about teens. Yeah. But like I really understand that to be totally a matter of personal taste. Like I just generally and I don't you know if somebody's like here's an amazing book and the protagonist or teenagers I'm not like in the garbage. But like the genre conventions of YA for the most part don't appeal to me. The same way I don't really
read murder mysteries. Like I don't think I don't sustain them. I just kind of don't like the genre conventions. Like it's not a fun place to spend time for me. But the way that people attack teen content is so much based on this idea that like it is inadequately sophisticated to spend time in the inner lives of young people. Like it really really is part of the like Jonathan friends and of it all. Like these are you know silly readers and silly viewers who don't want to
spend time with real adult problems. And so they read fiction. I need you to understand I'm not reading serious adult books. I'm just reading silly books with adults in them so that it you know so they can do more sex and crimes. I gotta agree that like teen sex is quite cringey once you are old enough to be the parent of teens. It's it's cringey. It's cringey to enjoy content that is sexy with teens. I um I think you are so pretty. Well no but I do think largely
adults read TV reading teen romance. You're sort of projecting your own self as a teen into it. I think I just want to name that for the public that it does enjoy the sexy teen romances. But what I was actually gonna say is that you would do record release successfully. That said she is superman's cousin did say known teen hater Hannah McGregor and I do think that that feels like it belongs on like a mug. Yeah. New merch sure. Oh my face. Give it a thumbs down. This is a little known teen
internet. Yeah that feels right. That feels good. Teen hater McGregor is what we're gonna call you from now on. I gotta say I don't think I know a single teen right now. I just think hater McGregor is like a really funny way. Yeah. Just in version of your name. And I am a hater McGregor. Hater McGregor. Yeah. Okay now I think it's the perfect time to talk about Bridgeton. Speaking of romance that features teens who are adultified because they are. What ever in what era are they?
Regency. Regency. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Regency. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'm gonna stop us and then we'll just pick up with Bridgeton. Bye.