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God 16.0 - Have Atheists Got It So Wrong?

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Summary

Mark Devlin delves into the complexities of atheism and religious frameworks, sharing his journey from various belief systems to a nuanced perspective. He critiques both institutionalized religion and aspects of pure atheism, proposing a distinction between an original creative force and a potentially malevolent "god of this realm." The discussion extends to the futility of prayer, the nature of suffering, and the idea of inverted karma, examining how these concepts might apply to societal control and elite actions.

Episode description

Atheism as an overall mindset clearly makes no sense. We’re here; we exist; so some generative force created us.

But is that generative force the same as the one which put THIS place into existence and facilitated our incarnation into it? This is where the atheistic view that there is no BENEVOLENT “God” who loves us and simply wants the best for us at least becomes understandable.

This can be deduced simply through personal experience, and the futility of “prayer” becomes one of the main pieces of evidence. if prayer worked, why has the world ALWAYS been in a state of suffering, conflict, war, pain and fear, in spite of the billions who would have asked and willed for it to be another way? * 

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Episode Introduction and Atheism Question

It is April 2025. I wasn't sure exactly when I would release this, so I'm not putting a specific date on it, but suffice to say that over the past couple of weeks The UK has been basking in some uncharacteristically glorious warm sunny weather. Yes, it's a surprise, as anyone that's lived in this nation for some time will attest.

And so I was gonna record this video out in the garden. Thought it'd be really nice to just sit out in the sunshine and gather my thoughts there. But then along came some bastard with a chainsaw, chopping down trees in one of the gardens at the back. and a yapping dog added to the mix from the other side. So that was the end of that. So it's back indoors, but welcome to God sixteen.

And I'm going to start this one with a monologue before going into some feedback and correspondence that I've had in reply to the previous videos that I've put out.

From Religion to Atheism

So I've given this one a deliberately provocative title because I wanted to draw as many people as possible in and get them listening to this important message. So I've titled it Have Atheists Got It So Wrong? It's gonna push a few buttons with various people. To be honest at this point I'm past caring, you know. If people want to get offended, they get offended. You might want to just jog on and uh find a channel that's more suited to your sensibilities.

But for those that want to stick around and hear what I've got to say, I used to identify as an atheist. So I've been through various different sort of belief systems in my life. I started out attending a C of E school, uh, not through personal choice, but they taught us in this school all about Jesus and God and the Bible, and uh it didn't really have much of a of an effect on me. Uh I

considered who the figure of Jesus was and to be honest at that point I already started having questions about the purpose of these lives, what we're doing here, why we were created. So it does go quite a way back. And then I attended an evangelical Christian church from the age of 19 for four years. And this was at a point in my life where again I had a lot of questions which weren't being answered.

And at the time an aunt of mine leapt on this, she was a devout Christian and she said, Oh, this is a calling from the Lord, this is wonderful, you need to start coming to church. So I attended that church for the following four years.

And at the end of it I left feeling very do you know what? This is no good, is it?'Cause I'm well I am recording. So So I attended that church for the next four years and at the end of it I left feeling very disillusioned and very let down by the value systems espoused by many of the church leaders.

And I found that it wasn't answering my big questions. It was only raising more. And I just felt like I didn't belong there at all, had no identity with the place. And this actually drove me towards a long period of quite bitter atheism.

Dawkins' Influence and Religious Dogma

Where I'd concluded that there's no God, there's no meaning to anything, it's all just random. And I actually discovered the work of Richard Dawkins. Can't believe it now, but at the time, what he was writing and speaking about, particularly his book The God Delusion, made a lot of sense to me. And I remember he got a Channel Four T V series of his own, which tells you something, I guess, but he really went to town on this question of what it is about religious belief systems.

that captivate the minds and the souls of so many people. And so he was going around the world looking at all these different faiths and all the rituals and uh things that you're allowed to do on certain days. You can't eat this on a Friday, but it's okay on a Saturday, you've got to wear this type of hat when you go into this sort of service.

And he really highlighted just how ridiculous it all is, uh, how arbitrary many of these rules and this dogma is, and mainly just how people generally, humans, seem to need to put things into some sort of spiritual perspective. They need to try and make sense of their lives. They need to better comprehend who they are and what they're doing here. And because there's that natural gravitation.

within the human condition, the control system, who who don't necessarily have humanity's best interests at heart, have of course leapt on this. And this is where orthodox institutionalized religions come in. And then when you get outside of the recognized religions, there are also more New Age style spiritual belief systems there to mop up the rest of it, to catch those who have not been ensnared by the religious traps set for us.

And I really want to go into this more in the next video. So I think God 17 is going to be talking about how these new age systems of belief the concept of these lives being all about learning lessons, our soul's evolution, uh working off past karma, uh, you know, repaying your debt to creation. How all of that is uh fake and it's become the de facto way of seeing things for many truth seekers. So when you get caught up in sort of conspiracy alternative truth research.

that seems to be the interpretation of spiritual matters that most people within that arena gravitate to. I see this at a lot of events I attend, uh particularly in the way the events are run and some of the features and stuff. So that certainly seems to be the case there. So more of that in the next video. But staying with the idea of atheism, to me now It doesn't make any sense as an overall ideology because atheism as a whole.

Debunking Mainstream Atheism

espouses that there's no meaning to anything and actually there's no God, there's no kind of creative generative force. And that makes no sense because evidently we exist. We're here. Therefore, something created it. Of course. The mainstream scientific establishment's answer to that is the so called Big Bang Theory. Completely ridiculous, that everything can spontaneously, randomly, come out of nothing.

What kind of sense does that make? And yet those who would consider themselves intellectual and highly intelligent Adir to this Because this is what is taught within the mainstream academic system, universities and such. And people who consider themselves very clever and very smart and uh they know much more than the average moron in the street because they've been to university and they haven't.

get caught up in this whole thing and they get indoctrinated and entrained and conditioned to think along these lines. And so hand in hand with the Big Bang Theory is the idea that we live on a spinning ball hurtling through the infinite vacuum of space in four different directions at once. And this spinning ball on which we find ourselves is one of countless billions and billions and billions you can't count'em. Worlds, planets, galaxies in the infinity of space.

And this just reinforces the idea that there's nothing special about us. We're an insignificant little speck in this vastness that is so massive our tiny human minds can't even conceive of it. And then thrown in the mix there, you have the nonsense of dinosaurs. And that's there to keep people in a perpetu perpetual state of fear. With the idea that what happened to the dinosaurs, a meteor strike.

Could happen to us at any time. Because we hear there's meteors and comets flying around through space and many of them just miss Earth. They always just narrowly miss. Have you noticed? Um and we're in trained to think that at any moment we could be wiped out. And it just reinforces the idea that there's no real point to life. It's all uh nonsense and uh that's the atheistic viewpoint that tends to persist in many aspects of society.

So I certainly don't go along with that way of seeing things. And I'm not s not asking whether atheists may have got some of it right because I accept that there's no kind of uh creative force. I do still adhere to the notion that there is what many would call a god or a most high, an original creative, generative force that set everything in place. So that's one level of it. Let me just take a drink of tea. Ah it's a lot of work to edit out drinking of tea, so just gonna leave it in.

So then if we go down a level from that.

The Non-Benevolent God of This Realm

We arrived at the at a question which has persisted throughout this video series for the past year and a quarter, and that is what is the God of this realm, this world, which we can see and which we experience, which we find ourselves in, for some reason. What is the nature of the force or the entity which created this place? Because whatever created this place is not necessarily the same as that which created everything else. So

As we've discussed many times in these videos, the force or the entity that created this place clearly does not have humanity's interests at heart. There is no value. to the suffering and the pain and the hardship that we are forced to undergo in these lives, with physical death. awaiting us at the end of it all. And none of us know how that's going to occur in each of our cases.

And when it does, it leaves behind a whole load of trauma and pain and grief for those left behind. So how can there be any kind of beneficial value to us or our spirits? From any of this? There clearly isn't. And so from this we can deduce, we can conclude, with evidence based observation that the god of this realm is not benevolent and is not good. I arrived at that conclusion quite a while ago. Also, this force or this entity is clearly not interested in

in us bettering our lives. It's not interested in delivering what we need, what we ask for, what we will for. And that's why prayer doesn't work. Never has. You can test this one out as well. Here's an analogy. Supposing you flip a coin. In roughly 50% of cases, that coin is going to land on heads. In roughly fifty percent of cases that coin is going to land on tails. Those of a religious persuasion, if they wanted the coin to land on heads, when it does will say

Oh, God is wonderful. The Lord has provided. Look, He's He's given me what I asked for. He's provided th this bounty in my life. It's amazing. If the coin lands on tails. These very same people will say Oh well, you know, God works in mysterious ways, and this is obviously his decision. It's not my place to question. Little old insignificant me, who am I compared to God? I'll just accept that it's not God's will at this time.

That's the kind of mental gymnastics that people apply the kind of loops that they jump through in their minds to try and make sense of a situation which is quite uncomfortable. But the truth of it is, if we really want truth, prayer doesn't work because there's nobody or nothing listening that has any interest in delivering up what we ask for.

Prayer's Ineffectiveness and Human Suffering

How many prayers have been offered up through the centuries, the millennia, from people undergoing great hardship and strife? and they've poured their heart and soul into their messages to their God, whichever God it may be. of imploring him it to improve their situation and the situation of humanity generally. Don't know if you've noticed, but that's not gone too well. History is littered with war, strife, conflict, hardship, suffering, famine, natural disasters, you name it.

And they never stop, regardless of how many people ask them to stop. Because whatever may be listening, if anything is, is just not interested in delivering. So here we are, floundering around in the dark, bumping into things, metaphorically. Because we find ourselves in these lives, but we have absolutely no idea how we got here, why, what's the purpose of any of it, what created us.

How are we supposed to navigate our way through? Why is there so much war and conflict and suffering? And then what lies beyond it all? What happens when our bodies expire? Do we completely expire? Does our consciousness live on? We don't know. We're not allowed to know. Because we get sent in here without any kind of a guidebook, any kind of a manual, and just left to make the best of it for ourselves. What kind of loving God would create a situation like that?

I know there are some who claim that they've had out of body experiences, near death experiences, and they come back with accounts of what they've experienced, how their consciousness has gone into another state. And I'm not necessarily discounting these claims. I'm just saying that for most people, we don't have those kinds of experiences. So we're left to make the best of it.

That's certainly the case with me. It's the case with most people that I know, because I have a lot of conversations about this. I have conversations with my dad a lot about this because I lost my mum, he lost his wife at the start of the year, and we've tried reaching out to her consciousness, her spirit, in the hope that it's lived on, in the hope that she can hear us in some way. And we've asked for a sign or a message. Each of us has. And we've received in response absolutely nothing.

And people will say to me, That's because you don't have any spiritual belief, Mark, and that's because you don't have any psychic gifts. Is it though? Or is it the case that there's just nothing out there?

Resonating with Atheistic Aspects

This is why aspects of the atheistic mindset make some sense. Like I say, not the overall ideology. But atheists will maintain that there's no point to life, it's random, uh no God is listening, it's not going to enrich your life or make it better in any way.

And I certainly resonate with those aspects of it. So this is another good example of taking a message and Latching on to the parts of it which resonate with you and which make sense and which you've been able to test for yourself in your own experience, and then jettisoning the rest, that which doesn't resonate. Have atheists completely got it wrong? Not all of it, I would say. They're missing large parts of the puzzle, but then we all probably are. So I'm not some nihilistic satanic atheist.

lest anyone draw that conclusion, because I do still have attachment to the idea that there is an original creator out there. It would be nice if this original creator showed itself every now and again and proved its existence and perhaps stepped in to assist humanity in its plight.

And not only that, but the animal world, you know, other living sentient beings. There's a lot of horror and death and destruction that goes on in that world. I wonder what the original creative source behind everything makes of that. If some other entity created that state of affairs, it would This entity must be an emanation of the original one that was there in the first place. So why is the original one that was there in the first place not showing any interest in shutting this place down?

No Consent and UK Censorship

If we came into it against our will, which I maintain that we did, I don't accept any longer that there was any consent on a spirit-soul level from us. To incarnate into this reality and undergo these lives. That decision was made by some other force outside of our. That's how I feel about it anyway.

And that's the monologue pretty much done. I'd be interested in people's Feedback and uh observations on what I've had to say there, feel free to drop comments in the video link below or feel free to email me markdevlin2022 at protonmail.com. Just this week in the UK, BitChute has ceased to operate. So that video platform, which has been very useful for me and for many, many others as an alternative to YouTube, because it's been relatively censorship free.

They've said that they feel they can no longer operate within great Britain because of the so called online safety bill and Ofcom's new regulations on what can be said. publicly, you know, on videos and social media and such. So a damning indictment of the woeful state of affairs here in the UK. Even though most people still masquerade under the delusion that this place is a democracy.

Oh no, it's not a dictatorship where uh we're told what to do, not like those horrible uh communist places elsewhere in the world. Oh no, not Great Britain. We're free, don't you know? And of course the only reason that Ofcom is doing this is to keep us safe. Because they care. They've got big hearts and they just care about us and want to keep us

So it's a big shame that BitChute has gone. It's still operating in other countries, but in the UK, uh creators are no longer able to uh post stuff up, or if they do, it's not going to be seen by an audience in this country. So that pretty much leaves Odyssey and Rumble as the only viable alternatives to YouTube when it comes to video platforms to publish on. So let's hope those two stick around.

Because if they go as well, then expression and free speech and getting ideas across, even ideas such as these, which aren't particular particularly political or uh controversial in a mainstream sense, would be threatening. So that's the state of affairs in the UK for the benefit of anyone watching from overseas. And at this point, it's another swig of tea. Okay, that's that cup done.

And it's onto the so called mailbag. So this is a popular feature of these videos, it turns out. And this is where I read out comments that people have sent in of the nature that I've just uh invited there. So a mixed bag, as always.

New Age as a Control Operation

And I mentioned that in the next video, I really want to explore this idea of New Age spirituality having been introduced as a sort of de facto religious system. and a trap for emerging truth seekers. So I'll really go to town on this one next time around.

But somebody's written in with their observations on this subject and they've said After a couple of years of researching various topics in relation to the plans of the globalist Cabal, both past and present, I became aware of the New Age movement and thought they might have the answers.

to the various existential questions I had been pondering, which neither mainstream religion nor material science could adequately provide the answers to. But, alas, I finally realized that this too was another controlled operation designed to prevent seekers from really finding out how the many secrets of this world and humanity's purpose and destiny in it. Yeah, I totally agree with that, and as I say, more to come on it.

Life's Hardship and No Answers

So the next one this person has written decades ago, I'm forty-two now, a young'un, I do remember thinking this world is a fucked up place. I remember wondering what to do with the knowledge of other people's suffering, and questions like the following used to pop up. How can I be happy when others are dying of starvation, when others lose their homes, lose their loved ones lose their loved ones in tragedies, etc.?

them when others live on the streets, when children are abandoned by parents and so on. Do I have the right to enjoy, or at least try to enjoy my life, when there seems to be so much suffering around me? How can one live a meaningful life without being affected by all of this? Why does it have to be so much hardship? Is there a meaning to it?

I didn't have any answers, nor do I have now. Doesn't this just reinforce what I was saying in the monologue about how we're floundering around in the dark and we're not told what we're doing here? So the very idea that we're learning lessons and uh we're evolving is complete nonsense. Because if we do have multiple lives, we have this thing called the mind wipe before we come in each time. So we don't remember.

what knowledge or wisdom we've accumulated in previous lifetimes, if reincarnation is a thing, And we're left to start a new life all over again with the the slate wiped clean. What kind of sense does that make if any of this is about evolution and learning lessons? It doesn't. I didn't have any answers, nor do I have now. I used to think I let myself get easily depressed for no apparent reason.

I used to think there was something wrong with me, as everyone else around me seemed to get on with their lives, too busy living a normal life to ever question the darkness that surrounds them. I find comfort in knowing that I'm not alone, that there are others like me who don't claim to have all the answers. I find comfort in knowing I don't have to be normal in this fucked up world.

Although I don't understand the world in the way it was created, I find comfort in being kind, doing good deeds whenever I can, showing compassion and respect, stuff of this nature. I can't give up. I simply can't. I have three kids. I have to teach them how to navigate this life of lies and deception to the best of my ability.

So yep, a lot of that makes sense. And the next one is quite a bit longer, but I feel it's worth going into the detail of it because some good points again are getting made.

Inverted Karma and Elite Philanthropy

I am an introvert who would never have reached out unless I felt strongly compelled, and that's why I'm here. When I read the quote below in a book, it made me think a lot about the concept of inverted karma that you often reflect on. So this is the origin of the phrase, no good deed goes unpunished. So this is the quote. What do people do then?

They strive for justice and Yet, when they finally establish it somewhere, either for humans or for situations, it starts being dissolved by the diametrically opposite or weakest point of the wheel of life matter. because this is nature's law, and there injustice gradually takes its place, bringing the totality of things back to their natural balance. So, this is me interjecting again here. This also is observable, testable, repeatable in our own life.

Whenever we have any kind of joy or happiness and things seem to be ticking along nicely the way we would want them to be. There's always some kind of curveball around the corner that gets thrown in to upset everything. Unknown variable. And that joy, that happiness, that everything ticking along nicely can't last. It's like an invoice comes in that has to be paid off.

You've had a bit of fun, you've had a bit of happiness, now you've got to pay for it. Now you get the bullshit and the problems and the obstacles. This, if we're honest, happens in all our lives. And it can be equated to the idea of inverted karma, or we can call it payback, natural payback. Fun, enjoyment, love comes at a price.

It does seem to work the other way around. I'm not sure it's in equal balance, but you know, you go through a period of hardship and problems and stuff, and usually you can come through it, and usually a situation comes along to improve your life. Just enough to get you back on track. Not necessarily to give you the kind of situation you wanted, but just enough to keep you hanging in there. Just enough to allow you to wake up in the morning and face another day.

So I'll jump back into the correspondence now. The book concerned is Can You Stand the Truth by long name this, Angeliki Anagnostu. It's a great name in the circumstances. Calogera, Angeliki Anagnusto Calogera, Greek, I'm guessing. It's a quote from page fifty two. So in summary, my reflection is that the nature of this realm is duality, and in order to maintain duality, you need to always keep balance.

You cannot ever go completely to one polarity, otherwise you will lose the other. This would not be possible in this realm because the duality mechanism is embedded in the programming. So instead of one polarity fighting with the other, they're actually creating or generating the other. I think that the elites know this mechanism very well and how to use it. They know that the more evil they create, the more good we, the ones with spirit, will try to do.

And the balance is maintained. This is the only karma there is. This is the only cause and effect law. On the flip side, the elite know that the more good we do, the more allowance they will have to do evil. I'll interject again here myself with a quick observation. We hear of people like Bill Gates and George Soros, and we're told that they're philanthropists.

And they would appear to give large amounts of their wealth to charities and, you know, what can be seen as good causes. And this creates the impression For many people in society that they're great people with big hearts, they just care, you know, good old Bill Gates, what a wonderful man he is. Is it possible that they do these apparently good works and they they send us money in these directions? Because in their own minds, in their own twisted warped

mentality, they're offsetting the evil that they're doing in the world. So they know they're causing great hardship and harm. But they feel that if they do a few good deeds here and there, they're maintaining some balance and they're writing off any nasty payback for their evil deeds. I think that's a a point worth pondering on. So back to the letter. Proof of that.

is the many worldwide campaigns that they push with images of war, starvation, and so on, to play on the pure essence of us with spirit, So we cannot help but do good. So yeah, you're watching a movie. and up pops an ad in the break and it's you and McGregor or somebody and there's images of starving children or people that have been in earthquakes and

you know, you're having your heart strings pulled and it's like, please, please help these people, please give your money. Well, what about the Rothschild? What about the Windsor's? How much money have they given? Because they could give a fraction of their wealth. And it would completely eclipse the combined total that regular members of the public can afford to give, little scraps here and there. So why don't these people chip in and help? Just a thought.

This would also explain something that you often talk about, which is that good people always have the worst things happen to them. Of course, if they're creating so much good, they throw the mechanism out of balance. So bad things happen to them or around them in order to re-establish balance. This one is making so much sense to me. I see you and your listeners talk a lot about helping others or being of service.

Personally, I don't agree, and that's not how I live my life now. Of course, I'd never refuse a request for help from a fellow human, with or without spirit, if it's within my means. But that's basically something like, hey, can I use your truck to move my stuff or can you hold this ladder while I change the light bulb? Honestly, it cannot go further than that.

To set out to help the world or the community or help someone change their lives It will only generate more allowance for evil and would not accomplish anything anyway because a wonderful world is not written in the code of this matrix and therefore cannot exist. I could have written this one myself. I live my life strategically, so as you said in the intro of your latest video.

Minimizing pain and misery, while learning the most I can to never be fooled into coming here ever again is the best I can hope to achieve. That one speaks for itself.

Seeing Through the Matrix Illusion

So one final piece of correspondence to live out, read out, a brief one here. What if this whole matrix is likened to a magic trick? And once you find out how it's done, you can't be fooled by it anymore and become basically not interested. Game over. Yawn. The game is to see what this place is really by seeing through all the bullshit that it delivers. You're here to see if you can figure it out once and for all, even with all its trapping. Then it's game over, and you can return home.

And it's been my hope for a long time that the key to getting out of this place and never having to come back to be tricked or coerced or forced is simply to gain enough wisdom and knowledge that you take with you in your consciousness when you pass over, so that you can never be fooled again. You've seen through the illusion

You've sniffed out all the bullshit and the old lies and the old tricks don't work on you anymore. So, you know, when a normie passes over who's never considered any of this stuff in their life, They're still likely to have a lot of attachment to the illusion. They believe in it. They believe in this world. That's why they fit in so well. That's why most people are a great fit for this matrix reality.

They don't think there's anything wrong with it. They think it's just fine. Business as usual. They think people like us that question it are a bit weird and a bit strange. So maybe the masses, because that's most people, are not going to be able to return home because they've got too much attachment in the false illusory reality that is this world.

And the likes of us do not I've got a conversation coming up which is going to be recorded in about a week's time from when I'm recording this one with Howdy McKoskey. So we've both been invited by the host Anam to go on a podcast and give our views on all this stuff. Everything I've been talking about here, basically.

And Howdy has some great insights, some great observations on it as well. So I'm really looking forward to a productive three-way conversation there. And of course, as soon as it's available, I'll be posting it on my various platforms minus BitCube. So that's pretty much it for this time around. DJMarkdevlin.com is the place to go for all my various activities and links to everything else. My new book, No One's Dad's a Plumber.

has been out for a couple of weeks now. That's basically the fourth in the Musical Truth book series. If anyone's interested in that, drop an email to the address below and we can arrange a signed copy. It's also on Amazon and there's more news about it on that website, djmarkdevlin.com. See you soon. Thanks for listening.

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