The Ultimate Dibber Dobber & The Bruce Willis Dementia Backlash

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I am Jesse Stevens, I'm still Mia Friedman, and I'm Amelia.

Lester and here's what's on our agenda for today.

A woman was told she couldn't pump breast milk in an airport lounge, and Maya.

Has an unpopular opinion.

That I'm going to change.

I'm going to change that a.

Bit very quickly, plus some candid admission about actor Bruce Willis and why his wife, Emma Heming Willis is facing criticism.

I'm bringing a little bit of a news segment today called birth, death and Marriages, and I'm going to somehow manage to shoehorn in the fact that two very famous women went to Premiers this week wearing no pants.

But first, in case you missed it, Donald Trump is a dobber. The ABC journalist John Lyons asked Trump yesterday about his business dealings and why he keeps making lots of money while he's president.

Was this in person?

It was in person on the White House lawn. Trump was about to go on his trip to the UK. He's so excited because he gets to ride in a horse drawn carriage with King Charles and stay at Windsor Castle.

God were indulging him, so he was.

Not happy to be interrupted on the way to his dream trip by John Lyons. But let's have a listen to what happened.

Appropriate President Trump that a president should.

Be engaged in so much prester's activity.

Well, I'm really not. My kids are running the business and you know what the activity?

Where are you from from the Australian Broad Catholic and the Australias.

You're hurting Australia right in my opinion, you are hurting Australia very much right now. But they want to get along with me.

You know, you're your leader is coming over to see me very so I'm going to tell them about you.

You said a very bad tale in return.

Yes, that was pointing his finger at John Lyons and saying.

Quiet, I'm going to try that with Jesse sometimes.

The reason I love this is because it highlighted for me a cultural difference between Australia and the US. When my kids started school here last year in Australia after having moved from the US, they were immediately told not to dob dollary.

Episodes about it. You cannot dob it is like the number one rule.

But I just tell you that that's an Australian value, not an American one, Like kids are not taught that in the US.

So when Trump says.

I'm going to tell on you and I'm going to tell your Prime minister about you, that scene is a totally okay thing to do. It's it's you using the system. It's like reporting someone who's breaking the rules, Like there's no value in America saying you really job.

What joh Online should have said is don't be a dibbadubber.

Yeah, he should have because there's a lot of stigma here about dobbing. It comes up in loner's books all the time. We don't dB unless someone is facing an issue with their safety.

I don't know that.

Don't tell.

Also bullying and stuff. We do a courage kids to speak up.

Yeah, true, but generally speaking, I remember at school it was like the kid who is a dibber dubber was just not with the in crowd.

The way to dip adob is to set up a fake Gmail couch what and then dip adob anonymously.

Is that what you've been doing with your time off? Maybe you've just dip adobbing to people.

I have some feedback.

See that person is.

The main takeaway from this is that Trump's basically saying he will in fact meet with that they Albaneasi and I bet Albow is happy about that because it's been really hard for him to meet with Trump so far.

Did she specifically say there are men or did.

She According to doctor Turner, she did cite the presence of men, okay. Doctor Turner says that she explained the pump was under her shirt, that there would be no nipple showing, but she was allowed to finish pumping, which I think is a part of this story that maybe was lost in the headlines. So after she finished pumping, on her way out of the lounge, she stopped to see the supervisor and she told the supervisor that she had made her feel pretty cruddy for breast pumping.

That's the exact phrase.

And that's when the supervisor said, you got to leave. She put her hand on doctor Turner's arm and she said, you've got to leave. You're making me uncomfortable and here's what doctor Turner said about the experience afterwards, being.

Told that I can't sit here in the Virgin Lounge as a paying business class ticket holder to express breast milk that sits under my shirt like this, because this is a private business lounge and we don't do that here. This is just disgusting that this is twenty twenty five and this is the sort of treatment that lactating mothers are expected to deal with.

MAYA, Yes, I think you've got something to say about.

This, Okay, So my opinion is exactly what's wrong with the world in twenty twenty five, because when I first heard about this story, I hadn't seen any pictures and I didn't know any details. I thought woman tried to pump in a lounge, was asked to maybe do it in the bathroom, She said no, do you prepare your

Yeah, talk me through that. I don't know if I agree.

So when you breastfeed, there's a baby's head in front of your boob, and the baby has a group on your nipple, there might be a little bit of access when you.

But your second, do you think you're safe the baby starts to go and play with something and your nip's just out and your nipple has never been darker.

Sometimes that happens, right, but generally it's different to when you are pumping. And if you haven't pumped before, and I've pumped a ton again, I've pumped in all different places and including bathrooms, and I agree it's horrible to have to do it in a toilet where you have to smell everybody else's pooh. That's disgusting and it's not hygienic. It's not because you've got to keep it all very stale.

I didn't realize the white corner.

So my unpopular opinion, which is that pumping and breastfeeding in public is not the same, I kind of retract.

Okay, I disagree with you that they're not the same. Another detail of this story that's getting missed, which I've become quite obsessed with, is that doctor Elise Turner isn't the mother of one new one. She's got twins. She has six month old twins.

Now, oh okay, because my fact.

Mother has two sets of twins. I'm obsessed with the logistics of that. My mum lasted maybe four days of breastfeeding twins is one of the hardest you need a PhD in like when it comes to supply the fact that she's got to six months breastfeeding with twins, that woman deserves an order of Australian metal.

But I reckon I just accidentally keep feeding the same twin.

Get that one really fat, like you need you'd need a spreadsheet or something. The thing about pumping that I didn't understand until I had to pump was that when you have to pump, you have to pump. Now you cannot do it on someone else's schedule. It's the same as breastfeeding in that way. In order to keep up supply, you need to be on a particular schedule, and you

To relieve this.

We'll get ushered onto the plane. I'm like, it's fine. Once we're off, I'll go into the bathroom and I'll pump and I sit in my seat. And ten minutes past, fifteen minutes gets to about thirty minutes, and I was like this is I'm like leaking, Like this is this is really bad.

I mean it's painful, it's really painstules.

Yeah, and it just started feeling hot and awful, and I'm starting to get anxious, and I went, I've just got to go to the bathroom. So I took my bag and I went to go to the bathroom, and there was an announcement over the plane going basically, get in your seats. You're not allowed to stand up, like where where something was going on with the plane. You know, when you've got to have your belt on before take.

Off, conturbulent.

Often, No, the plane haven't left, but we've been sitting there for thirty minut So I was like, well, can I just get some clarity. I got to relieve myself anyway. I went back to my seat, full flight, two businessmen next to me.

You know, six o'clock. Were you in the middle?

I was in the middle. No, I have no choice right now except to pump. And I didn't have one of the really cool wearable ones. It was quite bulky.

Was it electric or was it?

It was electric?

And it was.

It was loud, but you know the ones that can hide in your brain. It wasn't that I could hide, like they couldn't see my nipples. But I sat there with tears streaming down my face, just going I don't want to do this, but like, I have no choice. And I found that even in the workplace.

Did you say something to the men or did they say anything to you?

No, they were actually they kind of looked looked the other way. And I remember at one stage making eye contact with a flight attendant and being like, if you say a word, I am going to riot. Like I think there's a sensitivity to that. You're incredibly because you're just going. There is so much pressure on me and Release Turner and every other woman to keep breastfeed. We

But Amelia, don't you think that doctor Turner and Jesse should have been at home with their baby? You can really why were they on planes?

You can hear the emotion, can't you, in Doctor Turner's voice, And it's because six months postpardon, there's so much that's going on chemically in her body is still as well, and being away from your baby, or babies when they're still six months old, you've already got a heightened level of anxiety coursing through your veins because your body is telling you that you should not be away from the baby.

Breasts and the kept milk. Think of a cow never mastered it tricky.

I've had to do it because the logistics of remembering all your pump parts, Like I would forget one part, I'd get to work and go, oh, I fucked, and I'd have to go into the bathroom and like a cow with a tea, really milk myself so that I didn't get massed out.

I think what you said, Jess is so interesting about the shame from both ends, because as a mother, Avenue born, and you know, those first few months particularly, there's so much pressure to breastfeed, often when it's not the right thing for your baby, and it's not the right thing

There's also some cultural norms run it in different places, Like I lived in Japan with a newborn, and it's just a fact that you would not breastfeed in public there, like we just it is not accepted.

It's breastfeeding culturally expected well here and encouraged.

It is culturally accepted and encouraged, but unlike in the West, they've actually decided to allow for women to do it in nice spaces. So while you cannot breastfeed in public, they make sure that, for instance, if you go to the shopping mall, there is a literal lounge in every shopping mall for breastfeeding mothers to just lounge around with their babies in this safe, clean place.

There's a place for hot water. It's totally nice. In Australia, have too.

I actually kind of prefer that I've been out with friends at the pub, at a restaurant, at a concert and they've been pumping.

My sister might have pumped a Tailors concert.

She absolutely did.

I think Taylor would approve of that.

Another interesting detail about this was that I read somewhere that she was then encouraged to go into one of the private rooms, but you had to pay no.

So she asked before she started pumping, Hey do you have a space for me to do this? And they said that you've got two options. You can hire a boardroom for one hundred dollars, or you can use the bathroom. And what I was going to say about the Japan example is if you're not comfortable with women breastfeeding and pumping in public, you have to be able to provide a space for them to do it, because, as you point out, Jess, it is kind of a physical act

Please stop telling women to do it in toilets. Have you ever hung out in a toilet? It's true? Would you like to prepare a meal in a toilet?

The issue with the toilet too. I pumped in a plane cubicle once during turbulence, and everything I pumped went all over the walls, like it just wasn't logistically possible.

But you need a lot of milk, probably the.

Same flight I probably went on one fly and it's just always. But you need a table like you have because the one that I had, and this is then it's like if you have the one that you tuck into your bra, they're like, you know, that's not very good for supply, so you should really get the one that's got forty five pieces and costs you eight hundred dollars and you're just like, oh okay. And I had like bottles that went onto a thing that I had

I think the planes are slightly different because you can't have a dedicated breastfeeding room on every plane, like you also have to say you can't have a dedicated breastfeeding room in every workplace permanently. As an employer, I do believe you might be legally.

Required to that's not a bathroom.

That's not a bathroom.

But and you've got to let me put it in the fridge.

When I was at Channel nine and I used to breastfeed, literally it was a whole lot of beers and my breast and that said everything you needed to know about that.

But is meant to stimulate breast milk, right, old wives tale. But I was going to say, for people who were not familiar with breast pumps, they do look weird. I do want to put that out there, and there's something a little bit confronting about them, because I remember when Rachel McAdams there was a photo of taken of her on a film set looking impossibly glamorous and beautiful because

That's the one that I had a very similar breast paper.

She had like two breast pumps with the bottom on each nipple. And you've got to say that there's some part about it that looks like in the same way that a polate's reformer matt looks a little bit like a kind of fetish device. There's something about pumping that's a I can see how aesthetically it's confronting to people who are not familiar with the equipment.

Let's put it that.

I think it's athetically confronting to the person using it and to the baby. I hate it. But did you always a pump?

Did you, guys ever pump in front of anybody like that you knew, like just in your house, like you were always quite private, even with breastfeeding, you would often go into another room. Jesse. Yeah.

I think people expect that just because you've had a baby, all of a sudden, you have no modesty. And I never ever found it comfortable to sit in a cafe and I was like, I don't want to be stared at. Sometimes you have to do it. I think that's why there's a sensitivity too, is that it's like I'd prefer not to, but I'm doing my best.

The hard thing about pumping, too is with breast feeding, there's a sort of like unspoken relationship which is communicated through smell and behavior and between the parent and the child about when the breastfeeding is going to occur, and there's some way that you can communicate with that baby where you're like not now essentially, But the problem when you're away from the baby is those cues are gone. And so when you need to pump, you need to pump, yeah, and.

The milk comes out and they can see the milk and I don't know about you guys, but might have like a blue eytinge yeah yeah.

And also it comes out like a sprinkler, yeah, which most people don't know. But I remember very distinctly the first time I pumped in front of my brother in law and because I needed to pump and he was over and I was like, is this where I didn't care? He was cool with it. I don't know if i'd do it like in front of my dad. I just sort of didn't care as long as it was my decision and no one was looking like leering it.

But that's an interesting question because now that I think about it, breastfeeding I was fine doing in front of people. Pumping I was not fine doing in front of people.

Definitely feels more intimate.

Weirdly, I think if you want to do it privately, the idea I used to go and hide in a video studio and do it at work, which I always And the irony is I probably if pumping wasn't such a terrible experience in terms of you're sitting in a meeting that's running fifteen minutes over and you're going I really got to run and pump, and then the breastfeeding journey probably would have been longer. But for a lot of people, they just go, this is far too hard.

That's better than when I went to the doctor once for a perhap smear and she finished up her curry before the perapsner began. Look, doctor Channer, I just want to say, well done. I think having twins and breastfeedings done really hard.

We salute you in a moment Emma Heming Willis and the impossible decisions facing caregivers. When Emma Heming Willis says it's not up for debate, It's not up for effing debate. Those words were published on Laney Gossip last week in regards to a choice made by forty seven year old Emma Heming Willis, who is the wife of seventy year old Bruce Willis, who is living with a devastating condition

And this all sounds very sensible.

Yes, and Bruce needs his own environment at the moment because of his particular set of needs. Now, since that admission, Emma says she's received just this onslaught of online criticism from strangers, just saying I cannot believe that you've put him in care like that. Basically it's your job to look after him. She said she anticipated that when sharing her story, and in an interview with Diane Sawyer, she said,

Yeah, I thought this was so interesting, and I think that the reason for the backlash. I mean there's a backlash to everything in these days, because had she said we're putting him into full time care, into a home because we can't meet his needs anymore, no one would have said anything.

What do you think it was about the language that.

It's that they're rich. I think the people who would have been angry are the people who were like, well, that'd be nice, that'd be nice to have two houses. I feel too guilty to put my person that I have to care for into a home or I can't afford to because full time care out of the home is too expensive or too heart wrenching. Must be nice, right, I think that's what it is, and I think it comes from a place I think some people are just

I wondered if the strangers and the anger, if that was coming from people who had never been in that situation before and couldn't imagine what it was like and maybe identifying. So there was a report that came out a few days ago that said dementia is the number one killer for people in Australia. It is everywhere. If you are not currently caring for someone with dementia, it is likely going to come.

Wow, that must have overtaken heart disease just.

In the last couple of days. And so I think when we hear stories like this, we either identify really strongly with the person with dementia, which is reasonable given the rates, or we go I'm also going to be someone probably looking after someone with dementia, right, and so if you identify with that camp, you probably have a bit more empathy for what that does to a life,

You can become violent, you can become unpredictable, you can be unsafe in your own home, like maybe the home that they were in just wasn't suitable, maybe there was a pool that didn't have a fence, like you just don't know. And also, poor Emma, to me, this also speaks of the impossible pressure and expectations we have of caregivers. She's got two little girls on one hand, who are eleven and thirteen. It's not like Bruce's adult children, who

What do you think about the admission, Amelia, Because she didn't have to tell us any of this. She could have just gone, I'm going to make my private decisions with Bruce. Probably didn't even need to tell us about the diagnosis, right, And once you put anything on the public record, once you write a book and you're doing interviews.

No, she had to because he's a public figure, and he had a big career, and he was still making movies towards the end, and they were trying to get around it by having ear pieces in his ears where someone would feed in the lines, and so it was quite well known in Hollywood that something was up.

I think you raised a really interesting point before, Jesse, when you talked about how there are the people who maybe identify with the caregiver here, and there are people who identify with Bruce who has dementia. The problem with identifying with Bruce here and saying, well, Bruce, how can Bruce enjoy living in this house without his children? Is that thinking about how to treat dementia and how to

They've lost that person again and again and again.

There's a whole new school of thought that says that comforting fictions like saying to them, Oh, they must have just gone to the shops, is an absolutely fine thing to do. Now.

Again, that's just one school. Is that what you've discovered, Jesse, that's really interesting.

You say that my grandfather is in an age care a brilliant age care facility with dementia, and your impulse is to try and keep their connection to reality strong. So he starts talking about how his mother was just in the room and his wife and he's still looking after Simon, his grandson, and we would go, no, Simon lives over here now, like that was our instinct, right, And then we did all of this research and it

The issue is that for caregivers who've made this realization, it can lead to something called deception guilt.

This is a real if caregivers.

Are constantly lying, and we've been taught from a very early age that lying is a sign of disrespect, You're not treating the person with respectety and dignity. It leads to this feeling, am I doing something wrong? Even if medical professionals are telling you that that's the accepted path. And so that's a really hard thing for Emma to have to deal with that she's being told no, it's fine to lie. In fact, that's probably medically advisable. That's

I'm a nurse.

I'm someone who's lying to this person all the time because that's what I've been told to do.

I mean, who is anyone to judge that.

I think that what that spakes you as well is that we just do not understand enough about the subjectivity of the person living with the illness. We cannot understand because they can't really tell us in the early stages. Yes, but even reading what Emma has written about Bruce is like when they went to the doctor to get that diagnosis. It was like she was the only one in the room. He didn't even acknowledge the diagnosis. So it's not like you've got someone that you can discuss it with or

And that's why there's such a vigorous debate amongst the experts about how to treat them and what the best thing to say is, Yeah, exactly.

After the break, there's a birth, a death, and a marriage. Do you want daily outloud access? Why wouldn't you? We dropped episodes every Tuesday and Thursday exclusively for Muma MEA subscribers. Follow the link in the show notes to get us in your ears five days a week and a huge thank you. If you're already a subscriber. You might have heard on the new Is that Robert Redford died overnight. He was eighty nine. I don't know if you are very familiar with him as younger millennials.

My first thought was my nun would be really sad about this, and then I remembered that my nan died twenty years ago. But She talked about Robert Redford a lot. He was originally in The Great Out.

She was kind of like the Leo of his generation.

Yeah, I saw eighty nine.

I was like, that's young.

Like, yeah, I thought the man gone before his time. It feels young man.

I get him and Paul Newman a little bit mixed up also Jed but he's Salah dressing Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid the way we were and the sting with some of the movies he was in, and then he became a director, an acclaimed director, and he also was the co founder of the Sundance Film Festival. Yeah, so he seemed like a.

Really nice person, Like I was reading people, remember, everyone said he was lovely.

You know who got married? Also reportedly recently it's Keanu Reeves at the age of sixty one. I didn't know they got married.

Yeah, I knew they were together.

What was interesting about this, You may remember we've spoken about on the show before. There were pictures of Keanu Reeves and his girlfriend Alexandra Grant. They've been together since about twenty nineteen, and everyone was so excited because she has gray hairs, and we were like, thank you Kianu. She's only fifty two, so she's almost ten years younger than him. Still, she's an artist. She's an artist, and they work together for a long time. They were very

I read an article like the Absolute salivating over this story for the last six or so years. Is just like Keanu Reeves touches woman with gray hair, and Keanu Reeves puts arm around grayhaired woman.

And I'm like, she's she's my age.

Yeah, Like they really seem excited that a grayhaired woman exists.

I bet she had a wedding dress with an asymmetric ham. She's very conceptual in her style.

She's very cool.

Gen X's represent And the birth that I wanted to tell you about is one that happened a year ago, so it's not exactly breaking news, but you might know that Margot Robbie had her first baby, a son, with her husband Tom Ackley, who's also her producing partner. They had their little boy, whose name they have not revealed, October last year, so he'd be almost one. October could

He's looking very different seasons.

Yeah, she is in a completely see through dress. From the back you can see her whole bum. She's wearing a g string. It goes down to just above her bum.

Admits she'll bum amazing.

Oh, I'm not saying it's not that she doesn't look amazing, And in the front she looks like completely nude. A couple of nights later she went to another premiere, probably in la and she was wearing another dress that was sort of just like a little kind of like a strapless imagine a strapless white swimsuit with just a few pieces of black fabric. Again down no notes, a couple of things interesting. She didn't used to dress like this. So Margot Robbie has always had a phenomenal body. She's

You know you have to do an undergraduate degree before you do a PhD.

I'll download one.

Amelia and I are you two to education.

Dakotah Johnson. She was going to a charity fundraiser for the Caring Foundation, who it was to raise money for women who are the victims of dramestic violence. And she was wearing literally a black bra, black undies, and a completely sheer black long dress.

Whenever I see women wearing visible underwear, I just automatically screenshot it and send it to you because I know that it will ruin your day reliably.

I'll get riled up now. I'm not going to get riled up today. But what I thought was interesting about both of these women is the idea that they've both had big life changes recently. Margo's become a mother. This is her first time out really publicly on a red carpet since then. And Dakota Johnson also had a big identity change she became single.

Oh wait, is this confirmed from Chris Martin. Yeah, I didn't know this. This is brand new information.

I'm confirming it now.

Oh my goodness.

And what's interesting to me is that both of these women new dresses aren't new. No pants aren't new. They're not even necessarily new for these women because Dakotah Johnson's been doing it a couple of times since this room had break up, which happened a few months ago. But for my god, it's different. To me. It's reclaiming of identity. After something big happens in your life, you want to reclaim your identity, and it's reclaiming your identity by showing

Oh no, no, no, no, no, no no. So it's a relaunch of a kind. And I think that everyone does a relaunch man, woman peacock, like we all do a res.

It's Chris Martin's relaunch. He's just I don't I think this says an aggressively. My body is back. I've raised all the signs that.

Chris Martin was walking around in his spitos because he'd just broken up with Dakotas.

Someone did a relaunch recently, a man who just started dressing. It was Ben Affleck after j Lo, and he got his leather jacket on and he went full mid life.

But imagine if man after they became fathers walked red carpets with no shirts.

Men's bodies quite literally in service for a minimum of twelve months, right in service of the growth and sustaining life.

So it be That's exactly my point. It would be easier for the man to do that because they didn't have to actually carry and then possibly feed a baby.

But the thing about Margo, so she had the Barbie premiere and then she was pregnant, she just had this baby. There is a moment and I see it with so many women who have just had a baby, and often when you've finished breastfeeding, which we were just talking about, where you get your body back. I don't mean literally, I don't mean you fit into your old jeans. I don't even mean that. It's just like the contours of my body now belong to me, and I'm on a

That's she's got enormous power.

She's a no, she has one of the best stylistships.

She does and it's a decision. The celebrity always has the last word because they're wearing the dress.

You think someone's telling Margo Robbie, I think that she's showing up and she has been given a wardrobe.

Now.

The reason why she's dressing sexy, no, is that from Barbie to Once upon a Time in Hollywood, everything from like the clip in her hair to the bow on her shoes is like all in theme with the film so on Barbie. She was dressed as a doll the entire premiere.

Yeah, and that was an extraordinary collaboration between her and Andrew maccamal is, her stylist, one of the most sought after stylists in the world right and very famous stylists like law Roachinzindia. It's very much a partnership and Mago Robbie. The way these big tools work now because once upon a time a celebrity would do the cover of a magazine and go my post baby body and they'd pose. Now,

Okay, be hot, I disagree that that's what's going on, because so she's working with that stylist for this press run as well. And Tamara Davis, who's a fashion and lifestyle writer here at Mummeya, posted something on Instagram the other day I thought was very astute kind of theory about what was going on, which is that this movie was never going to be the blockbuster of Barbie, right. It was never going to have the same vibe around it,

Now, Okay, Jesse, You've just actually completely made my point.

I'm saying that this is not in service of look at my post baby body. It's in service of this movie, which the genre is that it is a romantic fantasy. That's what she's dressing as a romantic fantasy.

She's working.

Not criticizing her either, but I feel a little bit sad because it feels a little bit like reassuring us that the baby's not going to change anything, that she's still just as sexy and attracted.

Yes, I think that that is not an emotion that we haven't all felt. Whether it's getting back into your genes, it's somehow saying hey, I'm still here.

I think she's saying I am still a working woman. She's got wathering heights coming up.

Sorry, I'm still a working woman. Here's my bum.

But it is consistent, it is thematically consistent. Wathering heights will be a completely different wardrobe. This totally makes sense with with what she's doing. If she was doing Inside out too or some like animation, she wouldn't be wearing these clothes. This is part of her job.

Can we not deconstruct the fact that her job and getting attention in this economy involves the story Margo Robbie's hottest body in the world. She's back baby, forget the bab baby what baby? Well, Colin Farrell, who's in the same movie, gets to dress and say, it's a gadget. I looked up and it was thirteen degrees in lond.

Yeah, you can tell she was actually shaking when she was freezing. This is always It happened with Wicked. It happens with every press tool. Like they're still in character. She's in character. She's wearing a character outfit. She's doing her job, she's getting paid, all power to her.

Her character is naked.

Yeah, romantic fantasy. As if you don't say that and go oh man, looking at Muga Robbie for two hours, I feel like that.

I just think there's a level of anxiety revealed in dressing like that, Like I still.

Want to be relevant, I still want to be here.

I still want to be the femfertale enge and you, and it's like, yeah, Margot Robbie is not only is she a stunningly successful actor, she's also an amazing producer. She produced the Barbie movie, she's producing Wuthering Heights. Isn't there a point at which she can get our attention not through her body?

So okay, now that she's had a baby, does she need to be wearing her moomoo?

That's what helds, That's what a little bonnet? Is that what we want? No to me, it's I think it's revealing of the system and revealing of the system in which Margot Robbie works, which is I have to reassure everybody that I'm not mumsy, that I'm not in any way changed, that I'm even hotter than I was before I had a baby, and everyone's going to say it's her right to wear whatever she wants. Of course it is.

Like I would posit that Jennifer Lawrence recently had a baby and then had a second baby in fairly quick succession, did not go down this exact path. And it's surprising to me because i'mlike Margot Robbie, Jennifer Lawrence isn't a power broker in Hollywood.

Margot Robbie.

Now if she says I want to make a movie of that book, that movie gets made and it's a hit. Jennifer Lawrence doesn't have that power. And yet, interestingly did choose a different path in terms of how she presented herself after having a baby.

I think we've got a bit Pearl clutchy about mothers who are still like, I'm sexy, look at my legs, and you know what if she looks like that after having a baby and she's done.

The movie and have to Kota.

I hadn't even seen that picture actually yet, but I kind of love her. I think, yeah, great, I think that she's hilarious. Red carpets are about attention, and then we look at things the look you're being attention sticking on the red conic where your job is too good.

I just think it's really interesting.

The way Colin's inspector gadget like I do. Come back to that, like he is wearing the most covered up outfit you could possibly wear, which is a trench.

So the marketing, what you're saying is the marketing of a movie now evolves.

Around the quardrobe of the female start. Yes, that's exactly what I progress. Before we go. I came across a substack last night by Marina Cooley called seventeen household Habits that clear mental clutter. And I'm always looking for ways to drastically improve my life. On a Wednesday, I wanted to know how can I rearrange my home, my life so that there's no longer any stress. Well, she's got some tips. Okay, do you want to hear some of them? These are her tips for how we are going to

People have that, like the keys and stuff near the door, right.

Keys, yes, but we have only recently had like a cupboard near the door that has like my hat and stuff in it.

God, it's life. Change shoes inside your house.

I sometimes do, but Luca doesn't like it. And so is there a collection of shoes there out the front door?

Yeah?

Yeah, Louca likes that. It'd be barefoot and maybe pregnant.

Second thing, always buy in duplicates. So if you know you're going to consistently use something, you're out of hand soap, you're out of detergent, you're around your laundry stuff. You're not buying one, you're buying two. You're going to use it. It's not going to expire. That's the rule.

Right.

Expensive, It is expensive, but you're gonna buy it anyway, right like always.

Everybody I'm just going to say, not everybody has because he leaves. Not everybody's got that's their cash.

Keep going, all right, it's the latest and privilege. Okay, here's another one put the house to bed, so every night you have to do a close down where you like, everything goes away so that in the morning you come and have a look and you go.

Very important to me, okay, is the rule that the last person who goes to bed is responsible for the closed down.

No, that's too much pressure. I think that everyone is doing closed down. It's like a when I worked at a bar and you were doing the night shift and everyone would go, all right, we're closing everything down. I think there's got to be like a five to ten minute.

The problem is if you live in a house, most people have very different sort of schedule. So someone might go into their room to witch movie or whatever, play their vibrator earlier than oh my god, so you never know people might be coming and going, so not everyone's always together to close down, and you can't close down at six. Well, let's be real.

The person who does the closed down is the person who cares about doing the closed down.

Yeah, exactly right, Thank god, it's not me.

Okay. Here's my other one. A two week meal loop. So that means that you have ten weekly dinners same ones for those two weeks, and then you just have them on repeat. My shoe is I can't think of ten dinners.

And my issue with these tips is they really went off the rails. They started getting really ridiculous some of the hips, and I feel like household hags always end up there. She started talking about how she has some fancy electronic gadget that puts everyone's schedule.

Yeah.

I was like, no, no, no, no, no affiliate link.

Yeah.

And she also had once a year. You're like, oh, once a year you need to sit down with your family, yes, including all your children and have what she calls a yearly fine out summit where you talk about things like goals, budgets, savings.

What do you think of that? Well? I tried to organize a Zoom meeting the other day, as you know, Jesse, because you're invited. It didn't really attend in very family meeting I did. I said, guys, family Zoom because we had to discuss arrangements for the dogs when I was beeway and just howses and various things, and the family wasn't very supportive.

A highlight was when Luca thought the call was over and he said, that was an effing waste of time.

And I'm still there I still still there, do you know what I mean? And also one of my children that will remain nameless, Remy just kept making himself like into a watermelon or into.

A cash that's your finance summit.

That was funny.

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