The Babysitter's Dead

This is a kind of people want to watch and then you go sorry and then you sneezed again and I was like, and she, she looked at her engagement stats and saw the sneezing. All the comments were bless you, bless you. Good for engagement. But my concern is not only about your sneezing but you know, when you use a beauty blender, I've noticed

this in meetings and I haven't said anything. I thought that the point of a beauty blender was that you, but when you do a beauty blender, you use it like you would use a brush and it bothers me because I think too much products getting on the blender, not enough on your face. I don't think it's efficient. Do you think that's my problem. I think that's the least of our problems. I know also, it's meant to be moist. It's meant to be moist and the people on Tiktok who show me how to do it, but

I can never find water when I need to do it. It's, I'm in a rush, don't? It has been done. Look, we'll have to ask Lee Campbell or we'll have to ask the beauty. But I have a feeling it's a dab, not a life situation, but it's bothering me. I really love the way it feels on my face pounce. I think that's what the beauty people call it. The pounce. It's a cross between a press and a bounce. Hello and welcome to Mamma Mia out loud. What women are actually talking about on Friday the 22nd of March

with no added sneezing. I am Holly Wainwright. I'm Mia Friedman and I'm Jessie Stevens. And on the show today Australia is the babysitter dead. No, not like that. Also, Jessie and I finally watched some of the movies from the Oscars and we're gonna tell you what's worth your time and trying a new thing, a back disaster and the inevitable chat about color seasons. Yes, it's best and worst. Welcome to our Fun Friday show. But first Jessie, in case you missed it, I'm breaking the rules. I'm

throwing in a Friday in case you missed it. There are four things you should know this weekend before putting on a load of laundry. If you're anything like me, you're gonna be doing a lot of laundry on the weekend. And I learnt rules. I like laundry. I think you might be good at it because Holly and I were just touching some of your clothes in the other room. And we were saying they're not destroyed like our clothes, we were choking them, sniffing them. We were saying they're just not destroyed.

There's a woman named Laura de Barra and she's a laundry expert. She's written a book about it. I'll buy it for you for Christmas meal. It's about how to wash your clothes properly, which means that they'll last longer, color won't fade, they'll keep their shape and here are four tips. Genuinely did not know. The first is that when you put anything in your washing machine, you've got to do up the zipper. Did you know that?

I didn't know that? Because if you don't do up your zipper, then it's open, the teeth are open and it's catching on your cottons and it's ruining your clothes. And it also probably changes the shape of it a little bit because it can get a little bit pulled out of shape. So part of that rule, the zipper is that all the buttons on any of your clothes need to be completely undone. Because otherwise, if they're done up then in the cycle they'll pull,

you'll lose the shape from your shoulders and stuff. So buttons undone, but zip done up. What about if you've got metal buttons, like, on jeans? Oh, good point. Because I feel that that is somewhere in the middle of those two things. Yeah. Yeah. Good point. I doing them up now I think do them up. Ok. Cool. Wash as much as possible. A hot wash apparently fades the dye. I did know that. I didn't know that. That's one I knew. Number three fast wash. No, no. What?

Horrific for clothes. It's horrific for the clothes because temperature is fast wash. The temperature is too hot. And apparently she talks about agitation on your fibers, right? And so when you put it in, it's like it's pulling all the fibers and when it's fast it's just pulling, pulling, pulling and like your clothes have just but sorry when you say fast, you don't mean quick in time. You mean fast spin I think? Is that what you mean?

Because I've got like an express cycle. A very quick wash which is only 15 minutes and I don't see why that would make her sad. Does it go quicker than a normal cycle? Because it goes for 15 minutes? Not an hour. But is the actual cycling quicker? That's a different thing. That's like the speed of the spinning. Too many questions. Many questions just don't do it. I feel like the things you're telling me are raising more questions. OK. Well, number four is very clear. I have follow ups. Yeah.

Go on. Are you two across where you're meant to put the laundry detergent and where you're meant to put the softener. Depends on your machine, doesn't it? According to Laura, I don't use softener. Oh, do you? No, I use, I use softener. Oh, I've got a friend who's obsessed with, don't know, deal that I don't use softer. So, what you have to do the detergent, some people are putting it on their far left hand side.

Don't do that very bad. It's something prewashed something, something you're meant to put your detergent far right corner, that sort of last one and the mythical and then in the middle one and apparently that really matters because it's, when it's released into the wash, I have those holes. You definitely have those. We all have the same holes, holes. Yeah. How come your clothes aren't shit? What are you doing? I think you separate things. I buy the new ones.

Is the babysitter dead. I don't mean in a horror movie kind of a way, although more on that in a minute, I mean, teenagers making a bit of extra money around the neighborhood looking after the little kids if you think about it, certainly in American culture, but therefore has seeped into all our culture. The teenage babysitter is an icon used to be an icon, right?

She's either tempting the dads who are looking at her in an inappropriate way in like schlocky daytime movies or she's being terrorized by a serial killer in horror movies like in Halloween or she's off solving mysteries in the babysitters club. But apparently they are disappearing. And an essay in the Atlantic called Don't Tell America. The babysitters dead by Faith Hill explored why. Actually the neighborhood babysitter is a thing of the past and here are a couple of theories why that's true.

One of them is that we no longer think teenagers are responsible enough to be able to look after Children and where we may once have thought that a 12 year old could probably look after a younger child. Now, people generally think a 12 year old needs a babysitter. That's so interesting. There used to be a kind of specific sort of age bracket that we gave to babysitters.

And it's in this article, li um historian of Childhood explains it by saying that around 12 or 13, often if you were having a babysitter come, you'd probably put the kids to bed or very close to and maybe even stock the fridge with a few snacks for the babysitter. And she says they recognized that she was grown up enough to be an extra eye in the home, but childlike enough to go looking for snacks. And it's true, right? That kind of particular era. Another theory is that our

communities have changed. So if your babysitter was, as she very often was, and I certainly was when I was babysitting your friend's daughter. So a kid you've been watching grow up over years, maybe the world's not like that now. And you don't have those kind of close relationships with your friend's kids because you're more likely to socialize with them separately. Another thing is we're more anxious about all the things

that might go wrong. So I asked in the out loud as Facebook group about whether or not the babysitter was dead here. One person wrote, yes, I won't have someone babysit unless they can do CPR and are an adult. I wouldn't want the trauma on a child if something happened. And another person said I would, if I had teens, I wouldn't let them sit for other people's Children because if anything went wrong, there would be no end to the fallout. So we're all helicoptering. The babysitters being the

teens as well as helicoptering the Children being babysat. Exactly. And then another theory is that parents just go out less, which is partly money, of course, but this is a bigger picture than recent cozy living pressures. Parents have more fun things to do at home. We're cocooning with our technology and all that kind of stuff. So the sort of stereotype that we've seen in lots of movies, which is at least once a week. Mom

and dad might go out. And when I was a kid, my parents went out every Friday night, they went to the pub with their friends, every Friday night and we had babysitters and my parents were teachers. So they had like a never ending because my mom taught like sixth form kids. So like 16 to 18, we had a never ending stream of 16 to 18 year olds who would look after us on a Friday night. And they're saying that these days parents are less likely to have that kind of regular schedule.

What do we think? I have a few theories about what's happened. The first was actually brought up in that Jonathan height article we talked about recently, which was about globalization and the effect of a 24 hour news cycle and getting every story delivered to us all the time. And apparently this started changing in say the 19 eighties where every time something horrible happened to a kid, we heard about it. And so the sense of danger is a lot more imminent and even

the CPR thing, right? It's great to have someone looking after your kid who, who can do CPR. But our sense that that would need to happen is statistically disproportionate because we've all heard that horror story or we've all heard the horror story about the teen babysitter that does something wrong. The other thing that people are really, really conscious about is any sort of sexual abuse.

Like I haven't heard a horror story about a teenage babysitter that's just something going like, and I know that fear especially, you know, with little little kids is high but the fear that your baby or that your child will choke or knock their head or have some like health catastrophe. I don't think that was as present a generation or two ago because we weren't being bombarded with parental anxiety was not as high as it is now, not as widespread.

The other thing I think is happening is that it's a result of this sense that you can't look after kids unless you have a qualification. So because of the professionalization of the child educator industry, there's a sense now that you do need to have done the courses and you do need to have all the training in order to look after kids. And that wasn't necessarily the case all those years ago.

And the other is that the working mums, I know we know that if you are living in a city, then most of the time you need both parents working when working moms aren't at work, they feel like they have to be at home. So even I'm finding the time that I get with Luna feels so and you know, again, that's little kids, but it feels like I almost can't go out on a Friday or a Saturday night because that's the not the only time, but that's the time

that I get with her. Same with single parents because you're a single parent and you're sharing custody, you don't want to get a babysitter on the night you've got your kids or your partner might give you a hard time or you're trying to save money or you'll just go out on the nights that you don't have your kids. So, it's interesting because in the out loudest Facebook group, lots of people said that they did

still use teenage babysitters in specific situations, right? So people say that if you think about this idyllic, you know, the American movie stereotype of the idyllic suburban neighborhood, then it works really well because they're usually your neighbors, they live nearby. So like one out louder writes teenage neighbors are the best babysitters. They're keen, they're affordable and you can walk them safely back home across the street or next door. If you've had a few drinks and

crucially their own parents are usually home. So there's this added safety net. So it can be if something did go wrong, they could call and mom could be there in a minute. But I have another theory which is also, it's about if we think that they're very often female teenage babysitters, it's about the idea of possibly exposing them to adults that you don't know, like fear of that because some people said I'd let my 14 year old daughter babysit for people. I know, but I'd

never let her babysit for strangers. And again, to that thing of us all being very panicky about stuff. Again, from those movies, the dad drives the teenage girl home after the shift is finished or whatever. Now we would be like, oh, what if that something happens? Da, da, da da. And which obviously has happened in history. But should we all be afraid of that all the time? I wonder what's lost because I used to babysit all the time when I was a

teenager and sometimes I did stupid things. Like I let kids stay up too late. I'd let them watch a horror movie. I would, you know, do all kinds of things you weren't supposed to do but, you know, no harm, no foul. I don't think anything really bad happened. I'd sneak my boyfriend in, you know, I'd raid their cupboards. But again, like, this is all just silly teenage stuff that I don't know if we just lost the tolerance for imperfection,

you know? Yeah. I only babysat a couple of times when I was little because I just found it boring. I did it mostly for the snacks because my parents never had good snacks. So I'd go and I'd just look for snacks, but I wasn't that interested and it didn't serve me well when I had Children because I had no experience. I hadn't babysat. I had never looked after I'd never changed a nappy. I'd never looked after anyone's child. It also depends how old your kid is. Right.

Because if your kid's a certain age they can tell you. I hated having babysitters. We never had young babysitters. I would have liked that. We always had older babysitters. They were old and like, mother and grandmother types. They were not fun. Yeah, that's the other thing. Right, is that because of university, if you had the choice about getting a 13 year old babysitter or a 23 year old babysitter who's finishing a university degree and also needs some casual work.

You're probably gonna choose a 23 year old. So this delayed adulthood where people are doing more casual work for longer also means that there are more people that are potentially able to do it. I was sitting there going, I grew up on the

babysitters club, read it all the time. They were 13, there was one of them that was 1111, lots of people said in the out loudest group, they said that they, when they were young and I certainly did this, they looked after little babies and now they've got b yeah, like I couldn't imagine letting a 14 year old look after them. But again, this is just all this fear and panic because personally I'm a big believer that parents should go out. Like, I think parents have to

have lives outside of their kids. It was modeled to me, I guess. So. I, with my parents and their Friday night and the takeaway and they'd go out and they'd be a bit. But like, I think it's important you gotta have a life. You can't sacrifice everything for your kids. Right. And it's really expensive to go out. And so hiring a 23 year old, she's going to get paid a

lot more money than a 14 year old. A 14 year old will do it for a little bit of pocket money to put on the data on her phone or to buy, well, actually, probably a really expensive serum at Mecca. But, you know, a proper professional is going to put 100 100 and $50 on your going out bill and you are not going to go out. We're losing a

lot of things by being. So if it's true that we are being much more afraid of that, obviously, with the parameters of safety, it's funny now that we think 14 year olds couldn't possibly look after a four year old is in the same way that we look at 20 year olds and go, they're not adults, but they are, you know, but the people who are qualified childcare professionals, the people who've done their baby first aid courses and have those kinds of qualifications

and have a lot of experience looking after Children. They don't want to be casual babysitters. They are in demand for full time work. They might work in daycare centers and childcare centers. And so you kind of got to take what you can get has been my experience when I was looking for babysitters. I mean, obviously, if people live close, the advantage is that you don't have to drive them home because that

is really difficult. The point of going out is you might have had a couple of drinks and the worst is when you get home and then you've got to go all the way back out again and drive someone home. But also every parent tries to have a little roster of people. The good thing about young teenagers is that they can't go anywhere. So it's not like they've got a social life so they're more likely to be free. Whereas, yeah, you sort of gotta not take what you can get. But there's

a reason why I agree with you. Holly, that if we disqualify all middle aged teenagers from babysitting the slim pickens, we're all stuck at home. Hello, babysitters Club, Saturday afternoon. We'll get right back to you. The weekend is almost upon us. So we are setting you up with a list of recommendations for you. Enjoy. We are gonna start Holly and I are basic bitches and we decided this week that we would watch our Oscars movies. We share them out and then tell each

other whether they should say it. Mia You can't sit through a movie. We can't. Um, I saw Anatomy of a fall. I need you to be priest. Tell me everything.

I stream it? I saw it at the movies but it is currently on prime video. I think you've got to pay to watch it. Oh, my goodness. It is so, so good. It is a French legal drama. So it takes place in a French courtroom which was very interesting because it's completely different to a British or American. The whole system is different the way they cross examine people, everything. But this is a premise. So main character is Sandra. This is confusing because her real

name is also Sandra, but she's a novelist. It begins with this bizarre opening scene where she is being interviewed by a journalist, but the journalist can't hear her. She's in her home because her husband is playing music really loudly upstairs as though he kind of doesn't want the interview to happen. And then her son who is partially blind, he's about 12,

goes for a walk around the block. The journalist has left and by the time he gets back to the home, his father has seemingly fallen from the third story of the house. And is laying dead out the front. And so you wonder if the mother had anything to do with it, how he ended up like that. And then audio is released of a fight that had the day before. So a lot of it, no, it's actually in English, a lot of it is in English, they speak English to each other at home. But parts are

in French and subtitle. But the best scene which Holly you will love is this scene of the fight that they kind of replay, which is about marriage, mental load, parenting and time. And it's about whether when you wanna do something, you're stealing time from the other person. And it's this inversion of gender roles because she's wanting to write and he wants to write and every time she's writing, apparently he's stealing time from her. It was one of the most perfect scenes in a

film I have ever seen. But do you mean if she wants to write? She's stealing time from him because he has to look after the child? Yes. Right. Can you blame your partner for all the things you never did? Because they didn't, what present you with the time? So just the idea was of time was amazing. And is it set in like modern day, like in France? And it's happened in this sort of chalet? So Sandra Hula who is in anatomy, a fall is also in zone of interest. So she's been nominated for

best actress in two films this year. We haven't seen that yet. That's this weekend, that's, this weekend we'll watch zone of interest. So, oh, my goodness. You must watch it. It is brilliant. You would love it. You love it. So then does it follow the court case? It follows the court case and it's all about guilt and innocence and it all ends up 12 year old boy. What did he see? What didn't he see? Moral dilemma?

Oh, nice. Love it. All right. So I watched American fiction which won the best Oscar for best adapted screenplay, Monk. Your books are good but they're not popular editors. They want a black book. They have a black book. I'm black and it's my book. You know what I mean? Look at what they publish, look at what they expect us to write. I just want to rub their noses in it. I'd be standing outside in the night. Dead beat dads, rappers crack. You said you wanted black stuff? That's black, right?

I see what you're doing. It's so good. It's about a writer. I wonder why so many movies about writers? I can't imagine it because writers write them and etcetera. Anyway, the guy who won the Oscar, he wrote it, he directed it. He was one of the producers, he's called C Jefferson, right? And it's based on a book. But the premise of it is there is a writer. He is played by Jeffrey wright. You've seen him in lots of things. When you see him, you'll be like that guy.

He is a writer and an academic, a black writer and academic. Right? And his books are kind of well respected but not very successful. And his agent keeps giving him the feedback. They want a black book and he's like, well, I'm black and it's my book. So it is a black book and they're like, no, they want a black book and what he means is and what the main character who's called Monk. His nickname is Monk

discovers. And what frustrates him enormously about culture is that everybody's saying they want a black book, but they want a very specific kind of black book. They want a black book about the ghetto and about, you know, drug dealers and moms and somebody gets shot and all that stuff,

that's what they want. And he is tormented by this woman who's played by Sa ra who um is at the top of the charts at the minute because she's written that kind of a book and comedy and he's an academic and he comes from a middle class family and the subplot is all about his family and it's really, really interesting in itself. But anyway, so in a fit of rage one day, he writes the stereotypical parody book and he sends it to his agent and he's like, see if those fuckers will publish this.

And he's kind of joking but of course, I love it. He gets like a $4 million movie deal and all this and he hates it and he's so tormented and he tries to get them to unpublished it by. He poses that he's like, not really a middle class black academic, but he's a guy, a fugitive on the run and all this stuff and he's talking to the publishers and he's, he's saying, you know what? I want to change the title. I just want to call it fuck. And he's like, that'll

stop him. And then they're like, that's great. It's just so funny. It's so clever. It's so great. It says a lot. But without it being like a film, there's such a good bit in it where he ends up on a panel of literary awards and he, and this array are the only two black writer on it. And this fake book that he's written is, is nominated and all the white people on the panel want to vote for it. And both him and Issa's character are like, but it's shit and they just keep saying, but it's

so important. We listen to African American voices and the two African American people on the panel are like, yeah, it's so funny. It's so clever. It's short, it's brilliant. It's called American Fiction and it's real, real. Where can I watch that? That's on Amazon Prime video. It's really good. The Family subplot is also great. That's that for me, got something to read in between

watching your movies, maybe an interval. It is a story that went viral a couple of weeks ago from New York magazine and it's called How I got scammed out of $50,000. Now, I would normally not read this story but quite a few people that I follow recommended it. It's subtitled the day I put $50,000 in a shoe box and handed it to a stranger. I never thought I was the kind of person to fall for a scam. It's written by a woman called Charlotte Cows and she

is actually a financial journalist. She starts this piece about how she fell victim to this scam by writing when I've told people this story, most of them say the same thing. You don't seem like the type of person this would happen to what they mean is I'm not senile or hysterical or a rube. But these stereotypes are actually false. Younger adults. Gen Z millennials and Gen X are 34% more likely to report losing money to fraud compared with those over 60.

According to a recent report from the Federal Trade Commission in the US. Another study found that well educated people or those with good jobs were just as vulnerable to scams as everyone else. What's amazing about this story is that it's this woman. She lives in an apartment in New York. She's a freelance writer. She's got a number

of good jobs. She's actually a finance writer for New York magazine and she's got a young son and a husband and her day starts with a phone call and it's basically someone who claims to be from some official government agency saying that her bank details have been compromised. She actually starts the piece by saying after she said the stuff about, she doesn't seem like the person who

would be sucked in by a scam. She says I'm standing outside my house with $50,000 of my savings in cash, which I have withdrawn from the bank and they're in the shoe box. A car drives down the street, the window winds down. I can't really see who's in the back seat. I thrust it at the person and say, please don't let them hurt my family and the car drives off and of course, she never sees the money again and none of this is

a spoiler because she says this at the beginning. But she got that first phone call like in the morning and that was late in the afternoon and you go the screenplay waiting to happen. Well, it would be pretty boring because she's mostly just on the phone but on a computer. But you say how on earth could that happen? You must be such an idiot. And then she talks about what happens through the day and how

this scam works. You know, some of the things that they use are really well proven techniques about brainwashing and, you know, like keeping someone on the phone, confusing them. Um By the end of the article, were you like, I would have done the same. Well, yes, I could see. And then there are points where her husband's like, hey,

are you? Ok. And she's like, I'm fine and then she talks about the shame of the fact that she did that and, and how she didn't even want to write this piece because who will ever employ her again? Because it makes her seem like such an idiot. It was completely fascinating because you start by going never. And at the end you're like there. But for the grace of God go, I, these people are so, so so clever. We will put a link to all of our recommendations in the Mamma Mia out loud newsletter. If

you want to sign up for that for free. It is a link to in the show notes every Tuesday and Thursday, we drop new segments of Mamma Mia out loud just for Mamma Mia subscribers. Follow the link in the show notes to get your daily dose of out loud and a big thank you to all our current subscribers. It's time for our best and worst moments where we reflect. Sorry, I just burped back on the week. That was my worst. I've started back on no filter. I took a season off,

Kate Langbroek was hosting the summer season. Loved that, loved having a break from the show. I'm back. I'm reinvigorated. My first episode drops on Monday. Sometimes you have to, I have to do two or three interviews in a week. I did two interviews actually in one day because when you're interviewing people, you have to just take when they're available. And also I do a lot of remote interviews, which is great because it means that I can interview people from all over the world.

So I did two remote interviews in the same day. The first I had to interrupt the interview after about five or 10 minutes because the woman was wearing dangly earrings. It was this noise and I couldn't work out what it was. And I'm like, are you wearing bracelets? And she said no. And then I was like, oh, it's your earrings and they were like banging and then she was doing something with a pencil case. Anyway, the second interview that I did a woman had just got home. It was in

the US. She just got home from work and picked up her dog from doggy daycare and the dog, it was this big golden retriever and it just kept interrupting the interview. First, it was whining. Then she gave it a bone, then it was chewing the bone really noisily. Then she's like, I'm so sorry, I'll put it in the crate. Then she put it in the crate. Didn't like being in the crate my dog has been, that took it out of the crate, then it got a ball and it kept bouncing the

all on the floor. Then she put it back in the crate. I reckon we had to start and stop the interview maybe six or seven times. Remember when home life did not interfere with work life back in the day these days. So I'm so out of practice. I'm so not much fit for doing this. But now we've, I've reminded my producer and I have started this list. So we're like, if you've got a pet, it needs to be put away, preferably medicated. If you are wearing jewelry,

please take it off. If you have anything in the desk in front of you, please remove it anyway. So that was my worst. My best is that I got to sing. I got to sing and I got a dress fitting this week. Tickets go on sale today for Mamma Mia Out Loud Live presented by Nivea Cellular. This week we've had dress fittings, which has been my dream. It's been so fun and also recording for a special little treat that we've got. People have never seen Mia in what she is gonna be. I can't get over

one of your costumes. It's so ridiculous. You've never looked so happy. I went running around the office. I was so thrilled and then we got to actually record like in a proper way in a proper studio. Like standing up like it was great. It was great. It was my best. I was like Taylor a lot. Like Taylor. My worst is that I, I've been having this awful back pain which anyone with a little, like a crawling baby will know that this is not a good time

to be a person at the back. But I've always had this issue like this left disc, you know, y you slip a disk or whatever and I did it years and years ago and it's, I got to the point the other week where I was like, it's gonna go and I'm gonna be one of those people that can't move for two weeks. I better go get this checked out. Anyway, I ended up having to get a whole X ray and everything and they do this thing where they can draw a line up your body where your spine should

be right? But they draw it up and by the time it gets to my head, it's my ear. Like that's how out of alignment I am. And it was so interesting. I saw this Cairo who said he was like, look at your T shirt and he showed me the way that my T shirt was sitting. And he said, if you look at all your photos, your T shirt will be sitting funny because one shoulder is so much higher than the other shoulder. And he said, even the waistband on what I was wearing will always be down

at the front because I've got this pelvic tilt. Is this got anything to do with breaking your leg? It's got something to do with breaking my leg plus a pregnancy. But plus your pelvic, your pelvis. So he got me to stand on this scale where they work out how much weight's coming from each leg. And my left is taking like 4 kg more because I've learned to walk in a way that my right leg doesn't hurt and it's pushed my whole back out

and it's just I am in so much discomfort. And I said to you and you can't get away from it when it's your back. You're never sitting right. And um, since I've had a baby, I've not been able to one night sleep on my side, I've got to sleep on my back because my hips are sore. Anyway. I feel relieved that when they fix it. That's my question. I think so. He thinks so. I'm glad that he sent me for this X ray because something I've just been a bit worried about. So he's going

to do a bunch of, you know, crazy. Did he say your disc could fall out? He gave me some tips to make sure it won't. But what's hard is that, what would help is if I wasn't picking up 8 kg 300 times a day, but that's not really working for me. My best. Look, you heard us a few weeks ago talk about color seasons. I got madly obsessed. You won't believe it. But I was wrong. I diagnosed some of us wrongly and this incredible, what's the color season?

Not everybody is as deep down this role as a color season is basically everyone fits into one of the seasons and it's about your skin, hair and eye color and what colors suit you best. You should wear them. And it includes jewelry and makeup and all the things. Firm rules. It gives you rules and I love rules. I'm obsessed with rules. So we had Kim Crowley come in. She is an expert and she schooled us a three. We got so, so deep and she told us what made us look awful. I want to talk about.

She told us what makes us look beautiful and Mia loved when she told us what made us look awful because Mia kept saying you do look disgusting. Yes. Yes. I thought you're horrible in that color. We've got her coming up in an upcoming episode if you want to learn everything about it. I just, oh, it's so fun. I went shopping. Life changing. Holly. What you two are so invigorated by their colors. Ok. My worst is that in a bid to remember things because my memory is

full of holes. I think it's menopause. I think it's life. I think it's whatever. I'm always taking notes on my phone. Right. I'm sure I do that either in my notes app or in my Slack. That's what I do. We use this internal messaging system called Slack and you can send yourself messages all the time. And because I'm on there a lot for work, it's a good place to put

my notes. Because if I put them in my notes app, I often don't remember to look in my notes app or I don't remember what I should be searching for my notes app of writing it on your hand. The problem is because my memory's so rubbish that then I scroll through my slack and there are just all these random words. I was looking today and it just said girls on the bus in capitals, all caps girls on the bus.

I was like, what girls on what bus I'm like, is that something to do with some girls being mean to Matilda on the bus or that? And then it's a TV show that I'm meant to be watching. And then I'd written Lorn Dike in. I was like, is that somebody's name? But actually I've gone down like a native lawn rabbit hole and it's about a seed called Di Chondra. Like I just, and then I 75 H in big letters. I'm like, what, 75 H and I was like, what I'm meant to be sitting on at a concert.

I still don't know what that was about. Holly. I think it's a Sagittarius thing. Because I was saying that I was going through mine and mindset in capital letters 27th. And it was clear that something is happening on the 27th. That's important to me. And then, and then what you do is you check your, all your messages. I was searching my phone couldn't find it anywhere. But clearly I was like, you need to put this in a diary somewhere. But what diary and where am I going? It's a mess.

This is my worst. My life is a mess. My best related to what we were talking about on Tuesday. I spent the morning in a dance rehearsal. Oh my God. Our lives have become so weird for this period, like in a proper studio with like mirrors and, and a proper choreographer. Not just me telling you I just stepped up at home. Of course, I didn't all about it. I couldn't find when I got there and she had you watched the video. I was like searching my notes that 75 8 probably had something to

do with it. Anybody knows the thing is though is it wasn't like whether it was good or not, but dancing around for an hour made me so happy. I came into the office afterwards and I was like high on this happy vibe and I just thought, well, obviously there's the exercise endorphin thing and there's the music, but it's like doing something different that you don't normally do it was just so fun and it made me think. I haven't done any of those dance workouts that are

in the move up. They're my favorite ones to do. And I was like, I should do them because I used to do that MK Fit dance workout and I used to love it. But I've kind of, you know, when you just forget about something and then I was dancing around the studio. A right idiot. It's gonna be very amusing. Do you know funny story? You were the inspiration for those dance workouts on move because do you remember when you went

through that phase? I don't know if it was during COVID but you were doing dance workouts on youtube in the Yeah. So we've got actually the choreographer who we're using does the dance workouts on move. And that was because of what you were doing, which is I that I've forgotten all about them. I should have written it in the back of your hand. I should, I have a friend who's very much wants to be head of the culture and she says that everyone's going to be doing dance classes in five minutes.

She thinks it's the next frontier of exercise. There's all this research that has come out about fun. It's fun. It makes you feel good, mental health, body cardio, all of that. But it has the thing for it to be fun. And this is why I used to love those ones I did in the garage is it shouldn't matter whether you're good or not because obviously some people are better dancers than others and some can, are more flexible and some can point their toes and

some can kick their legs high. Like if you take all that out of it, it's just the moving and the music and the fun. Like nothing makes you feel better out loud as we are so excited to see you at our live show, Mum Mia Out loud live presented by Nivea Cellular. A reminder that general sale tickets. This is open to. Absolutely. Everyone are on sale right now. Head to the link in the show notes to grab them before they sell out before we go. Have

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hike a mountain. When I last hiked a mountain. I broke my leg and I got stuck at the top of the mountain. I would say getting rid of all my pubes. Same. Don't do that again. Did that one time with waxing many years ago, didn't like it. The funniest part is that at the top of all our list was the same thing and there was some concern that we could not broadcast that thing, but we are, we have to have a warning at the beginning. There is a link to that episode in the show notes.

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