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Maintenance Phase

Aubrey Gordon & Michael Hobbesmaintenancephase.com
Debunking the junk science behind health fads, wellness scams and nonsensical nutrition advice.
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The 10,000 Steps Myth

This week we're digging into the weird history of an omnipresent fitness goal. Episode comes free with a happy meal. Support us: Hear bonus episodes on Patreon Donate on PayPal Get Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and more Buy Aubrey's book Listen to Mike's other podcast Links! 10,000 Steps: A Brief History Do We Really Need to Take 10,000 Steps a Day for Our Health? A Japanese first-mover in the fitness wearables race Counting Every Step You Take When does wearing a fitness tracker do more ...

Apr 25, 202349 min

The Trouble with Sugar

This week we're tackling three big ideas about sugar: It causes hyperactivity in kids, it's as addictive as cocaine and it raises blood sugar in universal, predictably spiky ways. Thanks to David Johnston for helping us with sources for this week’s episode! Support us: Hear bonus episodes on Patreon Donate on PayPal Get Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and more Buy Aubrey's book Listen to Mike's other podcast Links! Fat Talk: Parenting in the Age of Diet Culture by Virginia Sole Smith Sugar ...

Apr 11, 202349 min

"Forks Over Knives": Is a Vegetarian Diet Better For You?

A viral documentary says a "whole foods plant-based diet" will prevent heart disease and cure cancer. But once we look into the MEAT of the matter will we find factual CREAM of the crop or will we cry FOWL? (we're so sorry) Thanks to Katherine Flegal for helping Mike with this episode! Support us: Hear bonus episodes on Patreon Donate on PayPal Get Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and more Buy Aubrey's book Listen to Mike's other podcast Links! Health effects associated with consumption of u...

Mar 28, 20231 hr 3 min

The Instagram Fiber Feud

Aubrey tells Mike about the diet that took over New York City (and its bathrooms). Support us: Hear bonus episodes on Patreon Donate on PayPal Get Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and more Buy Aubrey's book Listen to Mike's other podcast Links! F-Factor drama timeline What Is the F-Factor Diet, and Is it Safe? Tanya Zuckerbrot Sets a Weight-Loss Example What Is the F-Factor Diet? Here’s What You Need to Know F-Factor Under Fire After TONS Of Women Come Forward Tanya Zuckerbrot and an Instagr...

Mar 14, 202347 min

Doctors Have a New Plan for Fat Kids

This episode explores the American Academy of Pediatrics' controversial 2023 guidelines for "childhood obesity," which recommend intensive lifestyle interventions, weight loss drugs, and bariatric surgery for children as young as eight. Hosts Aubrey and Michael expose the guidelines' flawed methodology, noting the exclusion of non-weight-focused health research and the contradiction between acknowledging weight stigma and promoting treatments that target fatness. They critique the limited effectiveness and potential harms of these interventions, advocating for a health-first, weight-neutral approach.

Feb 28, 20231 hr 14 min

Elizabeth Taylor's "Elizabeth Takes Off"

History should make you feel weird and so, apparently, should diet books. Support us: Hear bonus episodes on Patreon Donate on PayPal Get Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and more Buy Aubrey's new book Listen to Mike's new podcast Links! Elizabeth Takes Off Elizabeth: The Life of Elizabeth Taylor Elizabeth Taylor: Diet Tips on How to Become a Size 6 Just Look at Her Now Elizabeth Taylor: Born to the Purple Elizabeth Taylor: The Lost Interview Elizabeth Taylor’s Glorious Excess Elizabeth Tayl...

Feb 14, 202358 min

“Glorifying Obesity” And Other Myths About Fat People

This week, we're talking about Aubrey's new book, "'You Just Need To Lose Weight' and 19 Other Myths About Fat People." And we're yelling about Piers Morgan as a little treat. Support us: Hear bonus episodes on Patreon Donate on PayPal Get Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and more Buy Aubrey's new book Listen to Mike's new podcast Preorder Aubrey's book at your favorite bookstore or here: Bookshop.org Powell's Books Blackstone Books Black Pearl Books Amazon Barnes & Noble Book Depository...

Jan 03, 202350 min

Workplace Wellness

Charging disabled people more for health care is illegal. But what about ... charging non-disabled people less? Support us: Hear bonus episodes on Patreon Donate on PayPal Get Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and more Buy Aubrey's new book Listen to Mike's new podcast Links! A Review of the U.S. Workplace Wellness Market "Wellness" Based Healthcare is a Scam 2013 Rand Report Workplace Wellness Produces No Savings \ Workplace Wellbeing Is a Scam Employers should disband employee weight contro...

Dec 20, 20221 hr 13 min

The Food Pyramid

In the 1990s, the Food Pyramid was one of the most recognizable symbols in nutrition education. But where did it come from? Why was it created by the agriculture department? And why did it tell us to eat a whole loaf of bread every day? Support us: Hear bonus episodes on Patreon Donate on PayPal Get Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and more Buy Aubrey's new book Listen to Mike's new podcast Links! Anna-Britt Agnsäter Rounding Out the Food Pyramid Food Lobbies, The Food Pyramid, and US Nutrit...

Nov 15, 202252 min

Bonus: Mike's New Podcast!

Mike and Aubrey introduce Mike's new show, If Books Could Kill ! Find it on Apple , Spotify , Stitcher , Google and wherever else you get your podcasts. Also, don't forget to pre-order Aubrey's new book ! Support us: Subscribe on Patreon Donate on PayPal Get Maintenance Phase shirts, stickers and more Support the show...

Nov 08, 20221 hr 18 min

The Daily Harvest Food Poisoning Scandal

“Herpes is basically living the dream” — Aubrey Gordon. Support us: Subscribe on Patreon Donate on PayPal Get Maintenance Phase shirts, stickers and more Check out Mike's other podcast, If Books Could Kill Pre-order Aubrey's book! Links! Marion Nestle's "Safe Food" The vomiting, diarrhea, and gallbladder surgeries were bad enough. Daily Harvest’s alleged food poisoning victims say the startup’s response made things worse For Now, Skip Eating Products That Contain Tara Flour, CR's Food Experts Sa...

Nov 01, 20221 hr 2 min

Mini-Sode: The Dr. Oz Campaign

Pennsylvania listeners check your registration here ! Mike and Aubrey break down the policies and promises of Dr. Oz's Senate campaign in Pennsylvania. Plus! A re-run of our complete Dr. Oz episode from last year. Support us: Subscribe on Patreon Donate on PayPal Get Maintenance Phase shirts, stickers and more Links: Transcript of the infamous Congressional hearing The Making of Dr. Oz Columbia and the Problem of Dr. Oz The FTC lawsuit against green coffee bean extract sellers The Oz craze: The ...

Oct 18, 20221 hr 13 min

Paul Bragg & The Rise of Apple Cider Vinegar

Health claims about apple cider vinegar are everywhere. But are they true? This week, we hop into the wayback machine for the story of America's first health influencer. (That's not true, but neither is anything else in this episode.) Thanks to David Johnston for providing sources for this week’s episode! Support us: Hear bonus episodes on Patreon Donate on PayPal Get Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and more Links: A Longstanding Legacy of Promoting Healthy Living About Paul (Internet Archi...

Oct 11, 202255 min

The French Paradox

How an early-'90s newsmagazine show convinced a generation of Americans to start drinking red wine. For the antioxidants! Special thanks to Susanne Stolpe and Alexander H. Sandtorv for helping us fact-check this episode! Support us: Hear bonus episodes on Patreon Donate on PayPal Get Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and more Links! Diet and alcohol in heart disease risk: the French Paradox Absorption of three wine-related polyphenols in three different matrices by healthy subjects From red w...

Sep 27, 202255 min

Goop

Do we even need to write a description? It's the Goopisode! Support us: Hear bonus episodes on Patreon Donate on PayPal Get Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and more Links! How Goop’s Haters Made Gwyneth Paltrow’s Company Worth $250 Million How Gwyneth Paltrow took Goop from a homebrewed newsletter to a controversial $250 million wellness powerhouse Gwyneth Paltrow Feels Good — and So Can You Is Gwyneth Paltrow’s GOOP $1.6M In Debt? Goop and Condé Nast Team Up on a Magazine - The New York Ti...

Sep 13, 20221 hr

BONUS: Moon Juice Taste Test

This week's episode is running late so here's something to tide you over! Last year, we did an episode on Gwyneth-adjacent influencer Amanda Chantal Bacon and her wellness company, Moon Juice. This year we decided to TASTE THE DUST. This episode was originally for our Patreon supporters. Click here if you'd like to sign up ! Support us: Hear bonus episodes on Patreon Donate on PayPal Get Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and more Thanks to Doctor Dreamchip for our lovely theme song! Support t...

Sep 06, 202254 min

The Scarsdale Diet Murder feat. Sarah Marshall

In 1982 a murder captured America's imagination. Forty years later, two podcasts joined forces to talk about it. Hear more from Sarah at You're Wrong About and You Are Good ! Support us: Hear bonus episodes on Patreon Donate on PayPal Get Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and more Links! Diana Trilling’s “Mrs. Harris” Shana Alexander’s “Very Much a Lady” "The Complete Scarsdale Medical Diet" Thanks to Doctor Dreamchip for our lovely theme song! Support the show...

Aug 23, 20221 hr 32 min

“French Women Don't Get Fat”

Aubrey and Michael deconstruct Mireille Guiliano's bestselling book, "French Women Don't Get Fat," exposing it as a thinly veiled guide to extreme restriction and disordered eating, rather than a healthy lifestyle. They delve into Guiliano's privileged background, the book's lack of research, and the deeply fatphobic cultural context in France that fuels such narratives. The hosts highlight the absurdity of its "Dr. Miracle" plan and argue for addressing systemic health issues over individual blame.

Aug 09, 202257 min

Pete Evans Part 2: COVID & Consequences

"Celebrity chef Pete Evans has activated his last almond with the Seven Network." Support us: Hear bonus episodes on Patreon Donate on PayPal Get Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and more Links! Pete Evans on COVID-19 restrictions Pete Evans on who gets COVID Introducing the BioCharger Coronavirus treatment spruiked by chef Pete Evans criticised by health associations, to be investigated by TGA - ABC News Pete Evans' company fined for alleged COVID-19 advertising breaches | Therapeutic Goods...

Jul 26, 202259 min

Pete Evans Part 1: The Paleo Way

How a beloved TV chef became one of Australia's most polarizing public figures. Support us: Hear bonus episodes on Patreon Donate on PayPal Get Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and more Links! Going Paleo: What Prehistoric Man Actually Ate The Paleo Way (video clip) Paleolithic nutrition for metabolic syndrome Paleo diet still lacks evidence Atherosclerosis across 4000 years of human history How to Really Eat Like a Hunter-Gatherer: Why the Paleo Diet Is Half-Baked Ancient leftovers show the...

Jul 12, 202253 min

The Worm Wars

This episode delves into the "Worm Wars," a controversy surrounding the global push for mass deworming programs in developing countries. Initially hailed as a highly cost-effective intervention to boost school attendance and health, later reanalyses and meta-studies revealed significant flaws in the foundational research, including data errors and an inability to separate deworming from educational interventions. The hosts explore the appeal of "silver bullet" solutions, the dangers of upscaling programs without local understanding, and how paternalism and a focus on outputs over outcomes led to ineffective policies, despite ongoing support from major organizations.

Jun 28, 202257 min

Calorie Menu Labeling

This year, the UK implemented a law requiring chain restaurants to list calorie counts on their menus. Where did these policies come from? What impact do they have? And why is a Julia Roberts quote from 1990 the best way to describe them? Support us: Hear bonus episodes on Patreon Donate on PayPal Get Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and more Links! Calorie Labelling Regulations - GOV.UK Calorie labelling: implementation guidance - GOV.UK Do Menu Calorie Counts Actually Change How We Eat? Ca...

Jun 07, 202250 min

The Trouble With Calories

Weight loss is as simple as “calories in, calories out,” right? Or — gasp — could the reply guys be wrong!? This week, we dig in on the surprisingly complex science behind a seemingly simple calculation. Support us: Hear bonus episodes on Patreon Donate on PayPal Get Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and more Links! History of the Calorie in Nutrition Caloric Equivalents of Gained or Lost Weight The Foreign Policy of the Calorie Why the most popular rule of weight loss is completely wrong Tim...

May 24, 202253 min

Diet Book Deep Dive: “How To Take 20 Pounds Off Your Man”

This week, Mike and Aubrey take on a manual for creep behavior masquerading as a diet book. Along the way, we cover shopping guides, journalism salaries and the proper preparation of Cornish game hens. We love our curvy husbands. Support us: Hear bonus episodes on Patreon Donate on PayPal Get Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and more Links! How to Take 20 Pounds Off Your Man by Kalter, Suzy: (1984) | The Book Store Suzy Kalter Gershman Obituary The book cover Thanks to Doctor Dreamchip for o...

May 10, 202250 min

Zombie Statistics Spectacular!

Debunking some of the most widely repeated myths about fat and health. Here's Mike's new video ! Support us: Hear bonus episodes on Patreon Donate on PayPal Get Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and more Thanks to Doctor Dreamchip for our lovely theme song! Support the show...

Apr 19, 202258 min

Michael Pollan's "The Omnivore's Dilemma"

How a liberal journalist entrenched a libertarian fantasy. Thanks to Sarah Taber for helping us with the research for this episode! Support us: Hear bonus episodes on Patreon Donate on PayPal Get Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and more Links! Julie Guthman's "Weighing In" Rachel Laudan's "Cooking and Empire" Heidi Zimmerman's "Caring for the Middle Class Soul" Joel Salatin’s Unsustainable Myth Chris Newman’s Blog Everything I Want to Do Is Racist: How America’s favorite farmer lost his way...

Apr 05, 20221 hr 6 min

Bonus: Fad Diets

Aubrey and Michael explore a range of listener-submitted fad diets, including the calorically restrictive Rotation Diet, the flavorless-oil-based Shangri-La Diet, the cereal-centric Special K Diet, and Bethany Frankel's "Naturally Thin" lifestyle. They also dissect the pseudoscientific Blood Type Diet, highlighting its arbitrary rules and lack of evidence. The episode critiques the misleading marketing tactics of diet culture and the broader societal pressures that drive people to try unproven weight-loss methods.

Mar 29, 20221 hr 12 min

Jordan Peterson Part 2: The Moscow Diaries

In 2019, Jordan Peterson disappeared from public life. One year later, he re-emerged with a diagnosis, a story and no self-reflection whatsoever. Thanks to Katelyn Burns and Talia Lavin for help fact-checking this episode and Doctor Dreamchip for our lovely theme song! Support us: Hear bonus episodes on Patreon Donate on PayPal Get Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and more Links! Joe Rogan Experience #1070 - Jordan Peterson Why the Left Is So Afraid of Jordan Peterson When Your Psychologist ...

Mar 15, 202255 min

Jordan Peterson Part 1: The Carnivore Diet

Oops all meat: How a '50s bodybuilder, a Grateful Dead roadie and an unreadable professor accidentally launched one of America's wildest fad diets. Here's Mike's "Cancel Culture" video! Note: In our discussion of Jordan Peterson’s political correctness lecture, I made a sarcastic comment about looking “slim in this dress.” After the episode came out, we started hearing from listeners that my comment reminded them of fatphobic jokes they’d heard in the past and didn’t feel consistent with the mes...

Mar 01, 20221 hr 9 min

"Super Size Me"

Aubrey thought she could swear less in this week’s episode. She was wrong. Support us: Hear bonus episodes on Patreon Donate on PayPal Get Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and more Links! Super Size Me Trailer "Super Size Me" - CBS News Where's the Beef? The Challenges of Obesity Suits Morgan Spurlock on Sexual Misconduct Confession, 'Super Size Me 2' Former Employees Say Morgan Spurlock's Production Company Was 'Fratty Boys' Club' Food and Drug Law Journal “Cheeseburger Bill” protects food ...

Feb 15, 20221 hr 2 min
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