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Well, now that the business is out of the way we can get down to the fun part, I was at Liberty on the rocks the first week of December 2023. And after the presentation was over, I had conversations with the people that were in attendance. And they were fantastic and really smart. And they said, have you heard of Robert Gore? Have you heard of Robert Gore? You need to get into his stuff. So without further ado, ladies and gentlemen, author, Robert Gore. How are you, Robert? Good to see you.
What's going on? Good to see you, Jeremy. Well, well, as soon as they mentioned, you're, you know, as soon as they told me to go to straightlinelogic.com, your website, the following morning I did that after my talk at Liberty on the rocks, and then it made sense to me. I understand why they were sending me your way. It's very reasonable and very logical, as the name might indicate, and very necessary in this time of great uncertainty and chaos, especially with regard to how the media treats us.
How in the world did you even get started in this line of craziness? Well, I think it was like 19, 2010, something like that. I was working for a securities firm. I ran the fixed income division out in Los Angeles. And once a week we did a broadcast for the rest of the firm, we had several branches and whatnot. And they started letting me opine, get up there, and my version of the world and so on and so forth. And people started asking me, gee, that was good. Can we get a copy?
So after a year or two of that, I thought, you know, maybe I'll start a website. And this first website was really, really primitive or whatnot. And I basically had to send out emails to tell people where it was that I had done a piece that had done an article. 2014, we had moved from California out to New Mexico. And I decided to upgrade the whole thing. And that's when I put it on the site that you saw, the WordPress site. And it did pretty well.
I was surprised I went from, you know, maybe 50 to 100 people to, you know, quickly over a thousand and then from there. Some years are better than others, but, you know, I have a consistent, loyal following. So I made a lot of money. I was just following. So I met him. Yes, I know. I did a presentation for Liberty on the rocks. I think that was kind of came and tell you when it was maybe five, six years ago. They're a good group. There you are.
So, so, so you, so you, but your background is really kind of hard core finance, yeah? My background is hard core finance. But even when I was doing hard core finance, I was writing. I think I published my first book in like 1991 novel. A second novel was 2013. That's kind of a magnum opus. The golden pinnacle. First volume of a trilogy. I had a couple of. I've got the second one. One of the great radians. That just came out in the interim just for fun.
I wrote a satire of the Middle East called Prime to seat. Actually, it's a satire of Syria. And I also wrote a the only business book and the only, probably the only memoir or not really a memoir, but anything personal. Everything I always, I learned about business. I learned from the Godfather. I've done that. I'm also the CEO of a high tech company, a spraying company. I saw that. That's that that that was it. That's an interesting product.
It's such a simple thing that you, but you guys have kind of revolutionized the art of. It's a large, ingested precision spraying. It was a concept I was unfamiliar with until you sent me the website. Then I took a look at it and I thought, oh, it sounds like some, let's some engineers get play around with this. And they found a way to build a better mouse trap for painting cars and spraying crops and aerosol products and all that good stuff.
Yeah. And I'm the only non-engineer slash scientist in the firm. I'm a CEO, so my particular skills, I have a lot of agree to kind of come in handy. And we're getting to the point. Finally, where it's ready to take off our CTO is probably one of the 20th, one of the 20th smartest people on the planet. He invented all this stuff. He has 20 patents, 100 papers. He's nine years old sharp as attack. And like I said, now we're ready to take off.
So I'll put time from the writing and the blogging and all that. I'll put the link to the spray and website in the show notes as well. So for those of you listening, you want to go take a look. You just drop down in there and find it and see what you think. That's it. It's such an interesting path, though, from, you know, I just got back from a Narca Polco and you talk about a group of people that are interested in building a better mouse trap or building a whole different system altogether.
So I came back and took a look at your, at your spraying company and I thought, well, you know, you probably could have been a Narca Polco talking to people about it. They would have been a lot of people that would say, I like this. I like the way that you're, I like the way that your mind works. You're looking at this from a, from a whole different way.
You know, I mean, I've, I didn't, I mistakenly didn't think there was a whole lot of room for improvements in how you spray things and that technology. But of course, I was wrong on that one. It, leave it up to your 90 year old genius partner there to, to still come up with new ideas for how to, how to do these things, right? That is that, is that where things are going for you?
Is that going to be your main, your main sort of, uh, you know, since I've been growing up, since I've grown up, I have never been able to concentrate just on one thing exclusively. Uh, you know, and shut out everything else. I have to have two, three, four things going at the same time. So, yeah, it'll take more, more time, maybe negotiating agreements and so on and so forth.
But, uh, you know, um, if somebody said, oh, you've got to do this, you know, 12 hours a day and then go to sleep and so I, I just couldn't do it. No, I hear you. I'm, I'm pretty much the, the same way. Um, I, yeah, good. That, uh, Narkoq, uh, deals that you're talking about. That sounds really interesting. It, it, it is, it was the 10th anniversary of the event. And I wrote a book with Jeff Burwick, who runs a company called the Dollar Vigilante. It's now become the crypt.
No, there's the crypto vigilante and one of the side projects he has speaking of a guy that can't do anything for 12 hours straight without wanting to do a million other things. He, he came up with this idea that have a conference for all of these anarchists. And if you think about the idea of a conference with anarchists that doesn't necessarily go, go well together at first glance, but when you get around this group,
it is most definitely. And since I was the, I was the ringleader of it this year. It was, it was like, make all these anarchists, not go over into that section over there, but instead stay over here. I'm looking at the producer going, are you, are you kidding me? You think I can make these people do anything they don't want to do themselves, but it, but. Right. And RQ that Dan RQ is.
Right. Exactly. Exactly. So I, but through this event, and I've been coming for the last couple of years, I've met the most interesting people in the world. You know, there's a lot of, there's a lot of things to complain about when you look around and you, and you see the modern world. And, and if it were just about complaining, I would have a PhD in, in that for sure. But it's nice to meet people that then say, all right, we've got a problem.
How do we fix it? How do we, can we, we don't need the system necessarily? Let's see if we can build something outside of the system. Let's see if we can, we can build something that looks and functions much better than the existing structure. And therefore we'll peel away people from that. I'm not even necessarily selling them on my idea. I'm just, we're just going to do it differently. And if you're interested, come join us. And that kind of meeting people like that internationally too.
They're, they're from all over the world that show up at this conference. That is very inspiring because I get the feeling that there are a lot of smart people that are on this that that I'm, and also a sense of community too. You know, you're not the only one that feels like you're losing your mind out there when you take a look around at the world.
So I come back, I always come back from that conference very inspired, but also a little bit down because I feel like, oh god, I'm coming back to the real world. And all the things associated with that. So maybe we'll listen, it's Mexico in February. How bad can that be? You know what I mean? So there's at the bare minimum, you get that. But right before I left for that trip, I read one of your articles and it really caught my attention.
And it, and, and I just wrote down the term because I knew I wanted to talk to you about it. And the term is controlled instability. And I thought, oh, the arrogance of the governments that they think that they can create instability and yet manage it for their own purposes in a way that won't have any sort of blowback or escape or anything like that.
That we're just going to make things kind of bad, but we'll keep a lid on it. And then we'll use the kind of badness to give us the sort of power that, you know, the justification to do the things that we've always wanted to do. But we won't let it get too bad, right? Oh, that arrogance just infuriates me. And when I read your article, I knew I wanted to talk to you about that.
Can we just kind of explore this concept of controlled instability and how a government gets to a point where they start believing their own bullshit? Well, governments have always believed their own bullshit.
You know, there's a self-selection thing that goes on. If you don't believe the bullshit, you're probably either going to be expelled from the government executed or you just never joined in the first place, which is what most of us who don't believe the bullshit to do is we show government, we shine politics. But we have a historical arc here, you know, emerging from the Reformation, the Renaissance Enlightenment was a consolidation and a belief in government.
You had to have governments, everybody had to have governments, you were leaving kind of, you can almost call it anarchy of the middle ages. And you were building these massive governments and you were building empires. And that was the way it was for the next four or five hundred years. I think probably the apex of all that in this comes through in the latest novel is August 9, 1945.
The US that needed second atomic bomb, we were literally at the top of the world. We still had an intact military. We had suffered the smallest number of casualties of any of the major combatants in World War II. We had an intact industrial plant. And now we had the atomic bomb, we were the only people, the only country to have that. That probably is what historians looking back will say, this was peak empire.
And that's the way, because when you're that high, being an extrader, you reach point and market where markets have nowhere to go, but the opposite direction of everybody's on board, the boat is listing one way. Same thing with empires. So 1949, the Soviet Union detonates a bomb. And that was kind of, okay, the beginning of the downtrend in empire, the whole idea.
And over the next 20, 30 years, all sorts of important technological developments happened. You got this amazing concentration of computing power and communications power. You got the US entering war after war after war after engagement, after engagement, but they didn't win. Vietnam should have been a huge signal. Yeah, you can invade countries, you can do this, you can, you can have your dreams of empire, but not everybody buys into it.
But what was really interesting is the fact that you had these barefoot people in pajamas with maybe an AK 47 or whatnot. And we bombed the living crowd out of them. We naponed, we did this, that, and the other thing, and we still lost. That should have been a signal. The other thing that I'll say should have been a big signal, 1991, the Soviet Union, and probably the most repressive, most powerful, most non-liberative, liberty dedicated government in the history of man, just collapsed.
Okay, and this whole centralized dream collapsed with it. And that in and of itself should have started a massive intellectual re-evaluation of the way things actually were versus the way a lot of these intellectual thought they should be. And instead we got, you know, end of history, what we have now, a liberal democracy, I guess is what they called it, is the end state, the goal of human existence, so on and so forth.
Kind of ignored something that our founding fathers knew in their bones. Governments are inherently corrupt. Okay, they're never going to recognize that hey, we have a good thing here, the American government in 1991 had a pretty good thing. Let's expand our powers, let's diminish the powers of the people, let's collect our taxes, let's just keep piling on. And there's nothing really unusual about it, I mean you wrote a book about about empires, you know.
And so, but 1991 was another watershed. And it was kind of a point of panic for the military and industrial, and I'm going to add the intelligence complex. If you don't have the USSR, where's your enemy? So you go create one Islamist system. 9-11, we all know what happened after that, I'm not going to fill in all the blanks on that, but we'd be here for several hours.
But you could see more and more power resources shifted to that sector of the economy, of course, at the expense of the rest of us or whatnot. So controlled instability is an is an oxymoron, and particularly with the decentralization and the individualization of technologies of beliefs, you know, it seems like nowadays everybody has their own religion. You know, and I put that in the latest novel too. So, you have that.
You have more and more what I've called intrepic atomization, okay, which is entropy, tendency toward random disorder, atomization speaks for itself. And it's getting harder and harder to control these forces. And when I first started talking about this, say, you know, maybe 10 years ago, skepticism, what the hell are you talking about? But nowadays, I say controlled instability, okay, well, 2016 a guy wasn't supposed to win the election, won the election.
The country that wasn't supposed to leave the EU left the EU. They spent the next four years trying to bring down the guy wasn't supposed to win the election, and it failed. 2020 comes up and we have a flu bug that supposedly threatens the world. And we're going to scare the crap out everybody and make them take vaccines and lock down and so on and so forth. I mean, all of this craziness keeps, you know, and it just keeps right on going 2022 Russia invades a Ukraine 2023.
Hamas flies over the walls of Gaza attacks Israel, Israel attacks with, you know, multiple force that Hamas employed. You probably could have gotten really good odds if way back in 2015, you said, okay, this is going to happen, this is going to happen, this is going to happen. And people would have said no way and you say, okay, I'll put it, but I'll put up a dollar and you can pay me 500. If it does, and people would have probably taken that bet.
So it's not just something that you project out in the future, you look at the president and say, oh my god, and you know, that was a point of this article. It's happening and it's just it's going to keep happening and I know there's these group groups who think that they're going to institute pure totalitarianism and whatnot. I have trouble believing that's the way it's going to happen or accepting any of that.
And no, I feel the same way. This is, you know, it sort of gave me a little bit of hope in that when we went through the COVID era, I think a lot of people saw just how, how, how really incompetent the government is and there's this, there's this belief when we're kids that daddy government is going to fix everything and they've got it all under control and very smart people that are very well established, know what they're doing and they're running it.
Maybe that was the case back when Reagan was in the office when I was a kid and I saw him and I thought it looks stable. And now everything feels completely disjointed and after COVID, the mass came off and even people that never asked any questions are looking around, they're saying, you want me to stand on a dot that six feet away from another person while the person who's in line to the side of me is only two feet away.
You want me to stand on this dot before I get on an airplane and sit with somebody four inches on either side of me. This doesn't even make any sense. And in that, that realization that sometimes for a lot of the the normy people that have just come to this, sometimes the government isn't exactly honest with you about things.
And I wonder if looking back on this, as we get, you know, years down the down the road, we look back on this and in some way, look at the COVID situation and say, might have been one of the best things that ever happened to woke up a huge percentage of the population to the lies of government, the overreach, the authoritarian leanings of them.
Of course, a lot of people are going to be hurt for it will never really be a good thing. But in terms of opening people's eyes to this, whether it's JFK or 9, 11 or COVID, when you have these big transformational events that you are not allowed to question, you're only supposed to you're only allowed to to feel one particular way about it.
Isn't it just sort of human nature for a percentage of the people to just go, well, I want to feel differently about it simply because you want me to feel a certain way, right. Exactly. And I saw it on a personal level. My sister's a doctor. Got all the shots, the booster, so on and so forth. And when all this started, I said, Judy, explain to me how a face mask that is anywhere from 100 to 1000 micron mesh is going to stop a 10 micron invite virus.
I'll just shut up and put on your mask. Okay, fine. What was it to 2 and a half years ago, get a call early in the morning from my mom, she had been vaccinated twice. And for the previous from the vaccination to the three or four months, her blood pressure was going absolutely crazy. Couldn't figure that couldn't figure out anyway, get a call from her. It was terrible. I'm in really bad shape. I call my brother who lives close to her. I said, get an ambulance for mom. The driver's got there.
Her heart rate was 10 beats a minute. They said, this woman is going to die. She was gray. They got her to the emergency room. The answer assessor Tater, but she was in ICU for four or five days turned out she has string of pulmonary embolisms. Now, later on, this was still fairly early on, but later on, it came out pulmonary embolisms is a huge marker for vaccine injury. I mean, I read somewhere, I think it was 840 times more likely to get them if you've had the vaccine than if you haven't.
And then my brother got an extremely rare form of bladder cancer. It's the only one where you automatically take out the bladder. That's the only treatment for it. And it's extremely aggressive. He's still with us, but obviously it's quality of life. Okay. So now my sister's a little bit more willing to say the least. To listen to what I and other people have to say about potential vaccine.
And I'm not a scientist, but you try to approach these things scientifically, but the evidence is the evidence. So like you like you're saying, you know, maybe it takes that much to open some people's eyes, but at least eyes are getting open. Well, but you've you've sort of shown a propensity towards seeing things before they happen. And I'm interested in talking to you about you about you calling the housing bust in 2006.
And one of the main reasons why I'm interested in talking to you about that is because I was living in Las Vegas working for big builders at the time, Pulti del Webb at one point, syntax, which was later bought by Pulti del Webb. And then finally, Lunar in new home sales. And I was watching this happen. I was living in Las Vegas. I was selling homes. I owned a home.
I bought another home as you know, I kept the smaller one as an investment property moved into the bigger one and all that good stuff. I was right in the middle of it. And I couldn't see it. And part of the reason why I couldn't see it. And you could you could maybe relate to this being a Southern California guy like I am. In my mind, the argument I could make was, well, it's still a third of the price of Southern California.
And it's four hours away. And there's no state income tax. And there's a plenty of reasons to always have this pipeline of people coming from Southern California. Hell, I did. And I know plenty of other people who did. And therefore, my reasoning was even if things get worse, you know, even if things kind of, it might just flatten out a little bit. And I was dead wrong about that, obviously. And it started me down this path.
The same time this was happening in 2007. I'm reading John Perkins book Confessions of an economic hitman about how the IMF and World Bank start to loaned own, you know, they they set up a system where the loan was never really designed to pencil out you or it was almost a trap to get you to fall behind in your payments. And then they extract something of actual value from you. I'm reading this on a dive boat in Thailand. And I'm going, oh my God.
This is us. But on a smaller scale, we're doing this. We're giving loans to people that have no business buying a house. We're approving them. We're packaging them up. They sell them off to Wall Street and they're gone. I was in it for many, many years. I had a vested interest in understanding it. And I couldn't understand it. How come you could understand it in a way that I couldn't understand it for even while I was working in it? Well, it may have been because I wasn't in real estate per se.
What I was in was in finance and securities. And my method of trading securities is like almost simplicity itself. When everybody's bullish, I try to be bearish when everybody's bearish. I try to be bullish. And I was living in Southern California. As you said, we had a very nice house. It was between Bel Air and Beverly Hills or excuse me. But, and it was the price of the house just was going up like a hundred thousand a month there for a while.
And I said this, I know a market. I don't know a lot about real estate, but I know markets. And I know market that looks like it's getting ready to talk. This is this is what happens with crazy stocks with, you know, with rallies that last too long. The other thing I was looking at was the back end. They were taking all these garbage mortgages from people who could barely sign their name and we're getting, you know, hundred percent mortgages, hundred and twenty percent.
The kind of stuff. I don't know if you saw the movie the big short, but the kind of stuff they made fun of. Well, that was like a documentary for me watching the big short. So, and then there was just some good fortune. The house right across the street from us came open as a rental. I said, let's sell our house. Let's rent the house across the street. And I think we'll do okay.
And we had only bought the house because we had a son coming in and we needed we needed a place bigger place to live than where we were. We were renting. So, we, and you know, the rest kind of history, we sold the house. I think January, 2006, the market kept going up for.
You know, you never called anything for top tick. I learned that. But then it started to falter. And I remember when we put the house on the market got this really, really nasty note in our mailbox from somebody it wasn't signed. Why are you selling you house? You idiot blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Are you gonna pray? And it's like, you know, what do you care? I don't hold on to your house. So, yeah, we sold the house. The other thing I did.
I really looking at the structure of finance all this garbage securities were all over the world. And I thought, you know, I thought way back then, hey, the world is way over and dead. You start pulling this string and it's just going to be like an old sweater that comes unraveled. I said the whole financial system. So I set up a proprietary trading desk where I was working at the time. Regional securities firm, private firm. And we set up a prime broker relationship with Morgan Stanley.
Essentially to make short bets on a whole bunch of stuff and it didn't work out at first, but then it worked out really well. And I had a really, really bright guy who. Columbia NBA or whatnot. And he understood credit default swaps and he had traded them. So we went out and bought a bunch of credit default swaps and things like AIG, Merrill Lynch, a whole bunch of them. And God did walk in some mornings and you.
The only problem was we set up that prime brokerage with Morgan Stanley. And after Lehman Brothers went bust. We're like, oh my God Morgan Stanley is in about the same shape. I mean, they all were, you know, and we said we better get our money and our positions out of Morgan Stanley and we did. And so we lost quite a bit of the upside. And Morgan Stanley got help from the government and got bailed out.
So we didn't need to take the money out, but we didn't know that at the time. And I, you know, I didn't have the political connections to know who was going to get bailed out and who wasn't. No, I think that was a smart move on your part. You, you would have had, I mean, because nobody. We didn't know that Lehman Brothers was going to be forced to walk the plank. I mean, nobody liked dickfold, of course, but, but, but, you know, then nobody likes Jamie Diamond either. They're still around.
So maybe it, you know, I wasn't really sure how the politics were going to go. But once one of them went, it was reasonable to assume that they might, you know, that a few more might have fallen. So you were doing what, what they were doing in the big short, right? They were on a mini level. Yeah, I mean, we did. We had nowhere near the exposure.
You know, but yes. And if I were so inclined, I'd be doing the exact same thing today. That was my next question is you, you see this current paradigm that we're in. We've got, you know, 33 plus trillion dollars of debt. It's getting piled on like crazy. There's no appetite to, to address the Southern border. In fact, there seems to be an appetite to keep it the way it is for a variety of reasons. We've got banks that feel very, I don't know, volatile.
We've got an overheated housing market interest rates at 7% now up, you know, tripling over the last couple of years. You've got a magic wand. You've got a big bag of money. How are you? You're at the, you're at the essentially the, the, the craps table. Are you, you, you betting on the, on the guy with the dice, you betting against the house. How are you? How would you be positioning yourself in this, in this scenario?
I'd be betting against the house. I would be, and, and the reason I'm not doing it is because I'm doing all this other stuff like being a CEO or whatnot. And, and this kind of trading is not for amateur. You have no idea the pressure puts under, puts you under even when your bets are winning. In fact, for some people for me, the winning, I always said there's two types of traders, traders who can't go to sleep when they're losing money and traders who can't go to sleep when they're making money.
I could always sleep through the losses. But man, when you know, when, when it's piling up or whatnot, you're not sleeping, you're not communicating with people, you're just like in cloud, cuckoo land or whatnot. You're checking the screen every 30 seconds to see just how much more money you're making or whatnot. So I'm not engaging in this now, and I'm not giving investment advice, but you ask me if I were engaging what I do, I'd be short stocks. I would be short bonds. I would be long CDS.
I would be long gold and silver. Just, there really isn't as much correlation between precious metals and market turmoil as you might believe. And a guy has done a ton of empirical work on that as Robert Preckter, who I can't recommend highly enough for anybody who really wants to trade markets, Elliott Wave International. Who was, so golden silver. Yeah, you know, the thing is we were leveraged. The world was leveraged big time in 2008. We're much more leverage now.
And when you start, okay, you mentioned the 33 trillion in debt. That's just the tip of the iceberg. You've got at least 200 trillion in unfunded pension and Medicare promises. That's just in this country. Now every country in Europe and China has similar levels of debt. Surprisingly, to one country that I think will emerge pretty well off if we do have a global financial crash will be Russia.
Yeah, 30% debt to GMP ratio. They're sitting on a ton of natural resources that are, you know, always going to be a bit. And then you get into derivatives. Yeah. Okay. Now, you're, there's like seven or eight major derivative dealers in the world. You're a derivative dealer. You're going to do what's called match book. If you sell a derivative that goes up in a certain market, you're going to sell another derivative to somebody else that goes down so that you so that you balance out.
And normally it works fine. You take a little bit, you know, the spread on both sides and the money's good. What happens? You're a bookie. You're a sports bookie, but for a bookie. Okay, you're a bookie, but now all of a sudden you've got somebody who's placed a really big bet. And they've lost it to you. And maybe you laid off your liability on the other side. But the person who places really big bet can't pay.
So now you're not matched up. And this is what happened with Lehman. This is why things cascaded after Lehman because Lehman was a big dealer in this. But now it's a counterparty on all these trades. Right. It can't pay. The whole thing goes cabloony and it goes cabloony and hurry. That's a technical term, by the way, cabloony. Yes. Well, we're going to hear more of it. And in the coming years, fortunately, the they don't even know how many derivatives are out there.
The derivative is just something whose price is derived from the price is something else. So futures are derivatives credit default swaps. All these are derivatives. They have no idea. But why don't we're off the books, but the estimates are anywhere from one to three quadrillion, which is right, which is a thousand trillions. Okay. The whole global GDP is 85 trillion. So you've got anywhere from 12 to 25 times the global GDP in these derivatives. When that starts unraveling, Katie, by the door.
Yeah. Exactly. So you've got let's say that you're on the on the right side of a on the winning side of a derivatives trade. Doesn't really matter if the person that's on the losing side of the derivatives trade has no money and can't pay, right? I mean, if you're technically the winner, but you can't collect from them. So then their financial situation becomes your problem as a result of right.
So if you've got Lehman or we'll put it in today's standard. So say you've got Deutsche Bank sitting over there as a zombie with a huge derivative book. And a lot of exposure to all kinds of crazy things. You may be well capitalized forward thinking logical, reasonable bank. But if you're doing business with that person, they're going to infect you with their stupidity, right? Is that going to ultimately impact you regardless?
I'll tell you a story from the last financial crisis, a I. G big insurance company. They decided that there was no credit risk in the world so that they could sell credit default swaps, which are, which is essentially assurance against a credit blowing up. They thought, okay, we can sell these and it's just an easy source of money. You know, there's no risk on the other side.
They didn't bother, even offset their rents. They just wrote these naked credit default swaps. Well, okay, things start happening. Who did they sell all those naked credit default swaps to Goldman Sachs? So now Goldman Sachs is holding all these credit default swaps. They're big winners except AIG can't pay. Okay, what did they do? Well, guess who was Secretary of the Treasury? Hank Paulson.
Yeah, formerly of Goldman Sachs. Now Goldman Sachs, and this is just hubris and greed instead of just saying, okay, well, why don't you pay us something, reimbursus for our losses. They got paid 100% on the dollar for all those credit default swaps. I mean, you know, you got an entire country who, you know, is looking at foreclosure and mortgages and everything, all these regular people, but Goldman Sachs is getting paid 100% on the dollar.
It helps to another guy whether it's John Corzine or whether it's Hank Paulson or whether it's you name your banker scot Larry Summers. So these guys, if you know the guy who's in charge of making the money decisions, you just say, well, our bank, our bank, if we were to go out of business, think of how bad it would be for all these other people, right, wink wink.
And then next thing you know, you've got $700 billion immediately to stop what, forget what Hank Paulson called a civil war or something like that. Blood on the streets. I don't know. Yeah. So yeah, what a threat. I mean, you, you, back to your, your, your Godfather book. Government organized crime. What's the, what's the difference? Really, right?
Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, I mean, the only real difference is, you know, the government guys wear Gucci's and stuff. And then the Godfather guys, who knows what they wear, but probably not Gucci stuff. I think I'd much rather have the Italian mafia running the government than the current incarnation that we have. If for no other reason that I, I at least am of the belief that there is some sort of code of ethics with the Italian mafia.
And the mistake and but it, at least they try to keep innocent people out of the way. It seems like the American government takes, it takes pleasure in joy in destroying the hopes and dreams of the American people. If not, I mean, there's, they certainly are good at it. And I've had quite a bit of practice over the years. Where, how does this thing.
You've seen some cycles. How bad does this get as we, as we were here in, we're sort of the beginning part of 2024. We've got an election at the tail end of the year. We've got elections all over the world. Frankly, we've got farmers in Europe that are mad. We've got homeowners that can't pay for groceries. We've got a lot of things lining up. We have a president that can't find his way off the stage. And another president that's been called everything including the next coming of Adolf Hitler.
So, where do we go? This feels, it feels like there's periods of my life where there was relatively calm, maybe even a little bit boring. And then there's certain years where it feels like everything gets condensed into that. And for whatever reason, I know I'm not alone. A lot of people have been feeling like 2024 is the year where everything kind of comes to a head. What is your take on on how this thing sort of plays out for the rest of the year?
Right now, I would say we are collectively, obviously, you know, there's individuals who see things closer to reality than others. But right now collectively, it feels like we're children and their parents digging sandcastles on the beach, you know, with the tsunami rolling in. And obviously calling the tsunami, it's going to roll over them and a lot of people are going to drown and die and so on and so forth. I was dumbfounded in 2009.
I thought, you know, you went through all this pain. Let it wash through the system. Let these companies go bankrupt. Let's recalibrate things. Let's start over. Well, then have a foundation. Yeah, it's going to be ugly. But if this is just another can kicking exercise, then the next one's going to be that much worse.
I thought realistically, I thought, you know, I don't think they can save this system. And I think it was pretty close to unraveling than the Fed, you know, start appouring money into the system.
And the banking regulators told the banks they no longer had to mark their assets to market. They could dream up whatever valuations so that they wouldn't be showing these gargantuan losses. All sorts of the things happen. Plus you just, you haven't had the natural end of a bear market after all this or whatnot. And you know, that's the flip side of selling at the top is. And Pregter got that one right. He got both sides of that one right.
He's got a lot of things right to the years, but anyway, and if anything, I stayed too long on the bearer side gave back a fair amount of what we've made on the bullish side, you know, psychology of psychology. I just didn't see how it was going to work out. It did work out kind of sort of or whatnot. Just like things kind of worked out in 2020 when the market crashed after COVID. And, you know, I gave everybody my, yeah, you can do all that.
My feeling this time and I could be wrong is there's going to be no rescue from the same tsunami that's adding a central banks can print all the funny money they want this that, the other thing or whatnot. But this time we get a complete wash out.
It's funny you mentioned the tsunami because when Burowick and I wrote controlled demolition, we ended with with that we ended with December 26, 2004, Bonda, Ache, Indonesia when the people went out to the beach after the big earthquake and what was going to become later that day, a massive tsunami, they went to the beach and there was no water.
They didn't know what they did never seen anything quite like that where there used to be water, the water was gone and they had to recalibrate their brains to to make this calculation. Now the people that had been there that the older people that had been around or the in the animals also instinctively knew to get to higher ground.
And we've kind of made that comparison to well, you're on the beach, there's no water. What do you want to do? You want to take selfies out there and call your friends and tell them how crazy it is that you've come to the beach and there's no water or do you know what this means when there's no water you've got to know there is a reckoning it didn't just vanish it's coming back and it's coming back.
You have vortex and yes, so is that is that the sort of the problem that we face currently is that we're looking out at the beach and we're saying there's no water we know what this means and yet the general public is out there trying to rationalize it or explain well if there's you know just just maybe someone will come and bail me out.
Someone will come with a helicopter and save me from that there's no you're saying there's no helicopters coming there's no there's no there's no magic bus that's going to show up and load everybody and get them to higher ground it's it's it's figured out now or pay the consequences.
Yeah, and you know you have to take care of yourself and your family and hopefully some of your friends and what not tell them what you know some of them listen some of them won't but yeah what you said get to higher ground you know get the hell away from the beach and hope that you get to a high enough point.
Well, I don't know if you have it on your calendar but it's false flag season apparently and I wonder you've you've seen a fair share of of government fuckery in the way of false flags and doing things that aren't exactly not exactly in line with how you'd want to treat your population if you are a benevolent government.
So as we get into this is this the is this something to keep an eye open to with regard we've got you know we've got obviously what's happening in in Ukraine and Russia that's been two years now we're going into the third year of that we've got what's going on in Israel Gaza that area which is now spreading into the red sea you did some nice writing about that we've got. We hear about Taiwan and China nothing really feels like it's happening there yet thankfully but are we in a position where.
If this war is going to start somebody better kick it off themselves right and and that that's usually done with a false flag something that is made to look a certain way or pin the blame on a certain group win and actuality it's not. Given your your history of understanding and seeing things before they develop or anything in particular we should be watching or maybe any some geographical region that we should be keeping our eyes on.
False flags for me have generally been something that I don't predict I look back on them and say boy that's your looks like a false flag after they happen. The one thing that I think will kind of perhaps obviate the necessity of a false flag from these people's minds and I never believe that financial markets by a large or nearly is controlled by conspiratorial forces as a lot of people do. I think they're governed mostly by crowd psychology.
I never used to pay any attention to the fed the central banks the you know half a million dollar your commentators who keep offering explanations for what markets did and predictions that rarely turn out to be right about what they're going to do and tell you why after the fact. But I think I think we're on the cusp of financial crash. A global sort of thing or at least a western sort of thing.
I think Asia the China Russia those countries will do far better in all this for one thing they actually still produce things they have minerals. China Russia been stockpiling gold for years and years. The people are smart they're industrious lots of Americans are too lots of people in the west but that's not who's running things here.
We have an opportunity for this bricks plus consortium to to provide a real balance a check on power of the current I don't know west I guess we could describe it as this is this going to be is there something that's a net positive for us I mean I don't like the idea of any sort of empires but and I could see the forming of something you know maybe the beginnings of that through the bricks.
But at the very least it would be nice to have somebody to check what the west is doing this rampant criminality with indiscriminate wars and and the things like that so is is that the the check on power that maybe the Soviet Union was back in the 50 60 70s or you know 80s whatever. And and now as you mentioned in 91 it goes away there's no longer a boogie man it could the bricks consortium become the new boogie man well I think the people running our show would like it to be.
In reality I mean two things you can say about the bricks what you just talked about it's something different it's replacing the faltering empire with what they call multi polarity obviously at the top of this multi polarity thing is Russian China.
But you know Russia we're the ones with 800 military bases out there I don't believe either Russia China really has a lot of offensive designs I don't think that I don't think that they're trying to replace an American empire with their own so that being said on the other hand.
You know their governments and I instinctively and inherently don't trust governments any strike do I trust the Vladimir Putin no but I thought he was well worth listening to on that interview with Tucker Carlson same thing was I didn't paint when he opens his mouth when he writes he ought to pay attention.
You've got to pay attention to China you've got to pay attention to Russia you've got to pay attention to these newly emerging bricks come you know who they're incorporating in what not it's it's a confederated sort of thing I think it's a different structure and a different philosophies and the US empire. But you better well understand it because I think you know they're going to be driving a lot of the horses here the next probably until the end of this century and they've got a lot of gold.
They've got a lot of productive power they've got seven eights of the world's population. They've got huge mineral resources everything else and they have a lot of people who have historically been poor and starving which is where your entrepreneurial classes come from you you look at just what the Chinese do both in China when they go overseas the Indians what they're doing in India and what they do when they come to this country you know that's what propelsings that's progress.
These are the people that that that determine history not not the rulers not the not the politicians or what not but you know how much freedom does the average person have and you give the average person freedom and they'll do amazing things I mean that's our own history.
Well let's wrap up with this because I have a question from one author to another with the great radiance how do you write dialogue that's a hundred years old my goodness 1920s 1930s 1940s you get this dialogue in a way you weren't around for that I mean you weren't listening to this and yet you feel like you I mean I feel like I was the the the Duran family which is probably a.
Malgamesh of some other wealthy families but how I've only written nonfiction I've never created characters the characters I write about our cartoonish enough the Rothschilds and Rockefellers and people like that. How do you write dialogue for this. For fiction writers well for both fiction and nonfiction writers the internet is the best friend.
You can pull up videos that talk about slang talk about how people talked back then I seem to remember like every conversation I had with my mother's father my grandfather and he was he was in a tenor at minor I think he had like a fifth grade education something like that.
You know you got to back out all the politically incorrect terms that he used which I did by and large but that was great and I don't know I used to read a lot of history and I just had kind of a year for picking up on that thing my I had my proofreader said the same thing about the dialogue so I guess the dialogue strikes true with people. Yeah well for those that are looking for a good book to pick up the gray radiance by Robert Gore is available on the Amazon.
It's on Amazon. And Kendall and paperback. And well I mentioned straight line logic dot com as the website that's a good place I would assume for people to go otherwise they might be able to catch your writings I catch it in zero head from time to time I whenever I find a. Find an article read it and I look and I have to double check make sure your name is is is not there because a lot of times I get the headline graph being I read a yeah.
Either you are brand and Smith from all market I see the stuff and I go I knew it was one of them so where is the best place for people to find you and to support your work. Well zero heads just lift my stuff straight off the straight line logic straight line logic is the place to go and right now I have two featured articles the.
Control control instability right there on the front page the home page and right under it is a description of the gray radiance plus the first chapter there's also links to all my books. There so yeah I was starting with the straight line logic and I feature a lot of different writers I'm not the only guy up on straight line logic I'm putting up you know anywhere from 10 to 15 articles a day just.
This is you know stuff I agree with their stuff that's particularly provocative or sometimes it's just well written there are some really great writers out there on the internet there are you know and even sometimes when I don't I don't agree 100% with anybody I post so. It's tough to these days there's always there's too much going on for and and and frankly not required you know I don't need.
This is the alternative media this is what it's supposed to be all sorts of intellectual from this this is the intellectual bastion in this country I mean you know I I haven't read mainstream media for years and years now and I've been one of the biggest promoters of alternative media in fact that was that was this subject of that liberty on the rocks presentation I gave.
Well well I'm really glad they turned me on to your work because you know how that goes once you want you can be unaware of somebody and then once they get on your radar then you start to see them everywhere I don't know how that works maybe your mind is a little bit more tuned to it maybe it's the universe who knows maybe it's the great radiance that's Robert Gore everybody check out his work support him by his book I'll have all the links in the description below so that it'll be easy for you to click it and if you want to connect with me the website.
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