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My name is Jason saint One and today's episode is sponsored by the Mission Point Resort, the friendly resort located on the Sunrise side of mcan Island. You can reach out at www dot Missionpoint dot com. Folks, the weather here this last week has been just consistent with the lack of winter we've been experiencing. This has not been my favorite winter. I'm a big fan of winner and what we've just had as in a extended fall for the last three
months and it's it's not been it's not been great. We did get a brief return to the snow, and a lot of errands got finished and a lot of stuff got moved around. But most of the snow in town, it's it's now all melted, and many folks are back on foot and bicycle. And let me touch on that for a moment, because many folks wonder, you know, about the horses, And yes, the dra company runs year round and they move freight with the horses, and the horse drawn taxi
operates a year round. But you know, oftentimes a lot of questions I get about living on the island is you know, do you have a car, and you know, do you have a horse? And that answer is no, and yes, not many folks have horses, particularly a year round. I'm not sure anybody has a private horse here year round or that they use in a practical sense year round. It's kind of cost prohibitive to own
and maintain a horse. Most of the private horses on the island are owned by summer residents who have a barn and and in some case a full time stable manager and who kind of you know, takes care of the horse. And so it's it's just not practical, you know, when I was younger, there was a few people. You know, Emma mentioned a few episodes ago that they still had a horse. Now when when my dad was a little boy, a lot of people had horses and slaves and uh, and
a lot of people use dogs. They'd have they'd own a big dog and hook it to a sleigh to all their their groceries around or whatever errands they were getting from town. But that doesn't go on much, you know that the the the addition of snowmobiles has certainly kind of phased that out. And it's it's just not it's just cost prohibitive to own a horse here in the winter. Another question we constantly get when when you're asked if you live on the island, is do you have a car? And and where do you
keep it? And the answer to that is yes. I've never done a survey, but I think just as many people portionally on Macin Island that live here own cars as people who don't live on Macin Island. We keep them on the mainland. Of course, there's no secret hatch underneath the boardwalk where all the cars are stored. Folks keep them on the mainland. They either pay to park in the various ferry lots, or some folks rent private garages on the mainland so they can park their vehicle inside. You know, the
airport in the winter, the Sintegnas Airport, Macana County Airport. Excuse me, if you go by there, you'll see that their parking lot is as proportionally as proportionally way larger than it probably needs to be for a small little airport. But in the winter that airport parking lot is absolutely inundated and it's just packed, and it's difficult to find parking out there when we all have to move our vehicle out there. So, yes, we own the vehicles,
we keep them on the mainland. We have to pay to the storm wherever we store them. And then you get off the ferry and either catch a ride or catch a shuttle, or you just walk to where your car is. So there's another little tidbit. I'm living year round on Macin Island. Folks. We just finished up what we call the annual Detroit Weekend, and it's the Detroit Fire Department Weekend. It's a big training weekend that goes
on between mac and Island Fire and Detroit Fire. And I got to tell you I wasn't going to delve into the subject of the fire department for at least a couple more weeks, but I just kind of thought this was the time, you know, Detroit was here and we had a chance to sit down with Tom Wickman, one of their battalion chiefs, retired battalion chiefs, and I thought, you know what, this is a good time to go
into it. We get a lot of questions as well about, you know, how it works here on the island, and you know, do you have actual fire trucks, are they horse drawn and all that kind of stuff, and which they're not. I'll give you a little bit of historical background. The MIFD has a pretty neat history. As you may be aware, the territorial government granted or recognized the inception of the village of Mackinaw in eighteen
seventeen. Eighteen seventeen, I mean at this point, you know, the city of Detroit maybe had fifteen hundred people, in Chicago probably had only one thousand people in eighteen seventeen, and mac And Island was a thriving city or village due to the fur trade that was going on. The first actual organized
government on the island. It came that early. So local historian Brian dunnagain was doing some research at I believe the Clark Library on the campus of Central Michigan University, and he uncovered some archives that had the first inception of that government. And not long after the city commemorated our two hundredth year of local government. The modern day city had a little ceremony to commemorate two hundred years
as an incorporated or at least incorporated government. I reached out to Brian and I said, you know, Brian, I understand the village was platted in eighteen seventeen and incorporated. When is the Do you have any data on the first mention of the word fire department? And he got back to me and he says, very vague, vague. He did have some ordances that were
passed in eighteen nineteen in regards to various fire safety implementation. You know, chimneys have to be this height, things have to be so far from each other, and that sort of buckets of water must be kept near a side door, that sort of stuff. So fire safety was implemented. But he couldn't find anything specifically citing the department. And then he did email me again and said, I have uncovered in the archives that the village decided that they
need to pay This was in twenty eighteen twenty one. They needed to pay for the fire engine that they acquired in eighteen nineteen. And I said, well, if they had a fire engine in eighteen nineteen, it sounds like the folks were already organized, at least in the awareness and hopeful defeat of any fire related emergencies. So that said, we commemorated this department commemorated two hundred years in twenty nineteen. We had a little celebration in some commdorce of
pins made. So so the MIFD has been around, you know, almost two hundred and five years now. It's kind of exciting stuff for us, I guess. The department responds via pager and radios from Central Dispatch. Central Dispatch is located about twenty five miles north in the Upper Peninsula. The department runs out of two stations. There's the Market Street station, which is between City Hall and the police Department, and inside that station is Squad one and
Latter two. Latter two is a seventy eight foot rear mount about a half a mile to the north is another station, Station two that houses another ladder truck, a seventy eight foot smeal, our brand new rig and engine one. We currently have about twenty five firefighters that live year round on the island and then several part time guys that were members of the department but decided to
move to the mainland but kept their job here. And you know, we thought it was awful foolish that they're on the island eight to five during the day. They're trained with us, they know our SOPs there. They're what we call our part time members. And we currently have seven members in our in the Mackinac County Fire Academy that's being taught right now, the Firefighter one
and two Academy, and so we'll hopefully welcome on seven more here. On average, we run about one hundred calls per year, and I should mention at this point that ems the ambulance is it's a different division completely. Those folks run around five hundred times a year, with the bulk of them being in the summer months. Do we have one hundred fires, No, not
even close. But we respond to all the alarms from the hotels and the commercial properties that you know, they're often found to be inadvertent or false alarms. In addition to that, we we back up ems, we call in on special calls with them with they're they're running multiple calls at once, or they have a really heavy patient. We're trained in high angle rescue. We're
trained in airport situations, wild land fire. A real macromae of sit suations can arise here on a yearly basis, and so we try to stay up on all those. The good thing is we don't spend a lot of time on car extrication training here. We're probably the least trained car extrication fire department, if not in the state, maybe in the entire country. You know, we get a lot of this pretty much the same calls as everybody else, but we do have a busy harbor and the airport's pretty busy as well.
There is a rescue boat that's a separate department called mcinnamarine Rescue and they handle assortment emergencies throughout the straits. We get an occasional fire in the woods, and you know, fire protection is taken very seriously on the island for obvious reasons. Not only is a town primarily made of wood, but it's old wood. And of course the bigger issue is getting help if we're overpowered and we need more manpower, getting mutual aid in how does mutual aid work,
Well, it depends. It depends on the time of day, in the time of year. In the summer, during the day, when mutual aid is needed, it's not that hard. We can we simply call our nine on one coordinator, Bryce Tracy, get him on the radio and tell him what we need. And you know that guy's done this once or twice, and he has all the boat captain's phone numbers in his phone and starts moving guys around and moving boats around as needed. At night, it would
be a little more complicated. We'll have to wake up a boat captain and a crew and get a boat fired up, or the McLam Marine Rescue can go over, depending on what we need, and so it takes a little bit more time. In the winter season, if we need mutual aid or if we're going to give neutral aid, it's either respond on the ice if the ice is there. If not, it's airplane. And of course the
airplane is at the mercy of the weather. So the scariest thing would be to have a major fire when they're in the winter, when there's inclement weather and no help can come. And if that's the case, you're just going to have to make do with what you have. It's not ideal, but I hate to say a redundant quote, but it is what it is. That is the prime t'mary reason our department is so proactive on training and we
train in aggressive interior assault tactics. We try to mitigate any fire growth obviously as quickly as possible. Thankfully, because of the location of where many of the firefighters live and work, we generally beat all the national standards for arrival
of an apparatus. The truck's generally getting route really quick. Sometimes in the summer, you know, it's tough to get the trucks down the street because a lot of people see a fire truck coming on mack And Island and they're dumb struck because you know, they were told there's there's no motor vehicles here. Well, the fire truck, the ambulance, the police car, and some service cars do. Service vehicles do exist, so they often stop and
just stare and take pictures. And I've had a lot of folks reach out, reach out and say, you know, why don't you, Why don't you run your siren or run the air horn. We really can't because that can spook a horse or scare a horse. And I'm gonna touch on that for a second. About spooking a horse and scaring a horse. Some people think or maybe they don't understand what scaring and spooking horse means. It doesn't mean that the horse is upset and there's going to need to see a horse
psychiatrist and we'll have a hard time sleeping with the lights off. What happens when a horse gets spooked or frightened is the horse takes off. It leaves, and it leaves in a hurry, and it doesn't care who is riding on top of that horse, who's hooked to that horse, who's on the buggy that hooked to that horse, doesn't care what that buggy runs into or that dre runs into. So the last thing we want is a horse to
take off and cause yet more trouble. We have a really great relationship with the folks that operate the different horse fleets and various stables, and they know when we get a run which way we're gonna go, and they start moving immediately to move those horses out of the way. It's organized chaos, but it really works for us. So I'm going to talk about the Brigadoon fire because only because that fire received more social media attention and more photographs because of
the spectacular nature. Of course, many of you may have seen the article that was done about the wedding that was disrupted and how the Highland kind of came together to put that wedding back together. And I just I've never been part of an incident that was more reported on, and it was probably done so because it was you know, mo Day memorially weekend rate at six o'clock.
So for the sake of the firefighters out there, who at this point are probably the only one that's still listening in, I'm going to talk about that fire and perhaps it'll answer a few questions and enlightened what exactly went on there. At six oh one pm, re received the box alarm of a fire at the Stingle residence. They said, smoke coming out of the roof, And I got to tell you, I kind of thought at first that maybe Jay was having a fire. Jay Stingle and his wife Chanon owned the
Brigadoon and they're just they're lovely people. They keep that cottage up meticulously. You know, it's well over one hundred years old, and there's not a flower pedal out of place in the summer when they're here. But Jay really likes to have fires in this fireplace, and so it's not uncommon to see
smoke coming out of the chimney in June or July. So when I initially heard that, I kind of thought, you know what, the dispatcher is gonna call me back in about ten seconds and say we just talked to the homeowner and they're having a fire and their fireplace. And the dispatcher did call me back in about ten seconds and said the people are evacuating the home and there are flames visible. That is not what I wanted her to say back to me, But the hand we got dealt. So I jump on my
bicycle. If that doesn't make you laugh, I jump on my bicycle and leave British Landing immediately. And I know we're going to be overmatched, partly because this is a large wooden structure. The interior contains a lot of bead board trim and it's been varnished. And not only that, It's Memorial Day weekend, so we're gonna have crowd issues, and you just never know if we few guys that might have gone away for the weekend, and we keep
pretty good contact in that, but you never know. So I immediately radioed in a second alarm and get the get Saint Agnes fire department moving. And I looked over towards Saint Agnes and I saw a little bit of smoke trickling up over there, and I thought, that's not good. And the dispatcher called back and said, I just sent Saint Agnas on the fire of their own and I said, well, give me, give me somebody else. Then she said, well who do you want. I kind of laughed,
who do you got? You know, So they started getting mac City going. Uh. Saint Agnes fortunately mitigated their issue pretty quick and then still was coming. So so that was good. When I got to town, I got there right around the same time all these uh, just crazy pictures of these thirty foot flames coming out every direction and coming up out of the roof. And you know, I knew from listening to my radio that latter two
was already unseen, and they were stretching the line into the house. Now, what a lot of people didn't understand, and I want to give some credit to the guys who stretched that first line. They had a rapidly growing fire on the third floor of a one hundred over one hundred year old house, and instead of grabbing the pre connect off the truck, which is an inch and three quarter line, they stretched two and a half inch hose off
the back of the truck and grabbed a smooth board nozzle. Now a lot of guys are going to think, oh, that's old school, why did you go that route? And what our guys on the scene knew that a lot of people didn't don't take in consideration is you know, Brigadoon is about seventy feet from the street, so let's call you know, closer to one hundred from the truck. And it sits up on an elevated lawn and so when you and then there's a flight of stairs to get up to just to
the front door. So we're we're already one hundred feet out and we're two stories up, and we still got to get to the third floor wind through the staircases. And those guys made a heck of a judgment call to grab that two and a half. We had a tremendous volume of fire, and if they would have grabbed the pre connect, we'd had to pump two hundred pounds of pressure probably to have any sort of effective push. So with the smooth board nozzle in the two and a half, they knew they were gonna
have big water where they had big fire. And I credit those guys for what they did. It was a good call. And I'll tell you what I want to mention those guys' names. It was Ben Moseley's a deputy chief, Travis Vartanian was a lieutenant, and firefighters Colton Fisher and Johnny Morris or the first ones up to the third floor with that line. And you know, I was really happy to know those guys are there. It's kind of my you know, some of my bread and butter guys, the guys you
want on that job. And they got to the bottom of the stairs of the third floor, the stairs that lead to the third floor, and they did an old tactic, a little trick, and they shot some water up straight up above them to see what happens. And what I meant by see what happens is see how much water comes down, so they you know, they flowed that nozzle just a second or two, which a two and a half of the smooth board. They probably sent fifty sixty gallons skyward and none
of the water came down, none of it. And they knew then they were they were going into a pretty hot situation. So they made a big loop in their hose to get ready to push up those stairs. Just about then is when I'm showing up unseen, and I asked, I thought, somewhat rhetorically, if we had anybody still in the building, because it was bailout time, and uh, you know, the guy said, yeah, Ben, and Ben and his guys are still up in there, and the
first two guys are still in there. And I thought, no, no, no, we got to get them out of there right now. And so I radioed up, you know, one o three from one oh one, need to get out of the building right now. And Ben Ben is a he's a guy's guy, okay, and he radios me back it us five more minutes, Jeeve, and I said, no, no, no, get out right now. I mean there was there was fire blown out all over the plate. So those guys, they have no idea what I'm
looking at on the outside and uh. Anyway, we got him down and Sam Barnwell was running the ladder two and he was going to put his master stream. Now, for you lay people, the master stream is that that water nozzle on the end of the ladder. It can you know, effectuate up to a thousand gallons a minute. It's a pretty powerful tool to use, but it's a lot of water. And what a lot of people don't
know is you can't put that to work. Well, you still have people in that building, you know, a lot of people, including a local loudmouth making comments afterwards about you know, why did they wait so long to put their They called it water cannon, which that's not really what it is,
but why do they take so long? And people don't understand. You've got to make sure everyone's out because if you start dropping a thousand gallons a minute on that kind of fire, you're going to create a steam bath that's going to literally cook everyone like a lobster inside that building, and it's not going to be good. So, considering the volume of fire and what was going on, I don't want to just hear yeah, Ben and his guys are out. I need to see them. So you know, they got
down to the ground floor and they walked out of that building. Okay, there they are. I've now seen these guys. So they put the master stream to work. We didn't know there was a brick chimney near the rear of the building and the master streams started hitting some of the brick and was
spraying bricks around the backyard. And I tell you, I was a little surprise to get to the backyard to check on that side of the operation, and I believe it was Joseph Colin Dave Johnson were back there and there was bricks all around them that the hose had knocked off, and fortunately didn't hit any of them. Anyway, we put the master stream to work, and because of the smoke, you know, it was tough to get the right angle on it, coming from almost a level with it to arc over.
But they started knocking some heavy fire down. Around this time, Saint Agnus and Max City started to arrive and our guys were able to take a knee and rest, which was good because they were pretty beat up. Once we had that fire and check, I looked to my left. I could not believe the crowd there had to be two thousand people watching from Marquette Park in the street. I never seen anything like that in my life. I actually had to joke, I said, who opened for this fire? The rolling
Stones? Look, I mean, look at all these people. So we started to gain on it, and you know, there was a little touch and go there for about fifteen minutes that we were gonna start to lose another
building or some of the branding would would go up on the bluff. Anyway, once we started getting a handle, put guys back on the first floor and start getting heirlooms and antiques and paintings and anything we could get out of there before the water damage started to you know, make it make everything worse.
And I saw the stingles. I saw Jay and Janet standing on the sidewalk, and I went to spoke speak with him briefly, and I got to tell you, I was struck by how they were coping with watching this happen. You know, they're not only are these seeing their their house, you know, their treasured home going up and they're going through just a terrible time. But imagine going through this terrible time and there's two thousand people watching you go through this terrible time, and I got to tell you, I
was struck by the grace that both of them displayed. They they were very stoic and and Jay was immediate and resolute that they will rebuild. And I'm not sure he wasn't on the phone with an architect before the last fire truck left that night. And and they did rebuilt. And I'll tell you it was a little over a year later and the Stingle family invited the members of the department down for a private reception in their house. They had it catered
and bartender set up. It was. It was unbelievable, and they brought the department back to kind of be like the first guest of the rebuilt or repaired Brigadoon cottage, and it was. It was nice. So anyway, that's the story. It really wasn't that big of a story. It just was that big of a story on social media. But so I told you all that to tell you this. About twenty five years ago, I met a Detroit firefighter by the name of Fabio Muscat. He's he's a legend in
the Detroit Fire Department. We became friends, and I went down and wrote with them once or twice, and I got to know him and a lot of the other guys, and you know, we'd always say, hey, we got to get you guys up to the island for some training. And finally, a guy by the name of Bernie Storm, another Detroit firefighter. He had stopped by the mclon firehouse one day and we got a chatting, and he was a lieutenan on the East side of Detroit at the time,
and he said, yeah, we got to make this happen. We got to make this happen. And you know, it'd been in the talk for ten or twelve years. So finally that winter that February, four or five guys came up from the City Detroit Fire Department to train with us, and you know, everybody just hit it off instantly. They were just a lot of guys, guys, and you know, a lot of the same level of sense of humor or maybe immaturity, however you want to gauge it.
But anyway, we're now in our eighth year. They come up every year the end of February and you know it's called our training weekend. It's a great time. The guys come down Friday night. We put on a meal. This year, you know, Grand Hotels and A Sandwiches down for Friday night. Arnold Freight transported these guys across for nothing above Macina Condos hosted them in their luxury condos. And the show stealer every year, Folks is Mission
Point Resort. You know, they have brought their staff and to cook us lunch between our morning and afternoon sessions. And they don't they don't hold any they don't pull out, they pull out all the stops. Just a tremendous lunch. And then and then Liz uh, you know Liz Ware from the family. Not only was she cooking us lunch, they give us a gift. Well, then they paired with the Bay View Yacht Club, who you know is celebrating their one hundredth running of the Baby to mac and A yacht
race this year. And uh, this year they presented us with brand new lockers, the entire department brand new metal lockers that the two organizations purchased and presented us. And you know, then we have dinner that night and our mayor Margaret Dowd, who's who's been the mayor here for a couple of minutes. She always calls up and says, tell the men and the women were
gonna I'm gonna pay for their primary dinner tonight at the Mustang. So, I mean, can you beat that when you're when you're mayor is supporting you
like that. You know, it's it's just amazing the folks here. We have volunteers, We have ten or twelve locals volunteer to play our victims at the at the scenarios we do. And you know, the Mustang's very Mustang Lounge is very instrumental and the hospitality end of things, and you know, the whole town just the hospitality and the outpouring of you know what what can we do is just it's amazing and it makes it easy to work in a place like this, you know, to be a part of this department.
By the way we're supported is you know, it's it's tough to beat and it's certainly appreciated. So to that end, we have Tom Wickman joining us here in just a second, and we're going to talk about Detroit Weekend and you know what it entails, and it's it's just been a real good time for us. So joining us now from the Detroit Fire Department retired Chief retired Battalion Chief Tom Wickman, Tom, welcome to the show. Thanks for having
me, love and being here. It's great to see you. So, Tom, we just finished up our annual Detroit mackinaw We call it the Detroit Weekend around here. We just finished up the Detroit Training Weekend. This is our eighth year to my knowledge. And do you do you get tired of having fun with these guys or you know what, everything we do is fun, the job, the training, everything about it. You make it fun.
It makes learning more enjoyable. It's very true. So you know, I talked a little bit at the beginning of the show about you know, the department and then and how we've struck our friendship with the City of Detroit Fire Department, and uh, you know, folks, we we have a couple of meals, of course, and we do some training and it's it's
almost invaluable. As I mentioned, you know, these guys are the probably the busiest structure firefighters in the world, and you know, for them to come up and hang with this, we don't we don't talk about plane crashes and boat fires and wild land fires, and that's the sort of stuff we we certainly don't talk about vehicle extrication. But we we we specifically focus on struct firefighter training and these guys are are the best at what they do.
I'm sure that's going to cause some complaints and some comments on social media, of course, for me to say something like that, carte blanche, but it's it's probably true. And and Tom, I'm sure I don't know how many thousand stories you have, but you're retired about two years ago, I think two years ago this month. Okay, do you do you miss Do you miss it much? I missed the job. I don't miss the politics. Well, we certainly can understand that. So Tom, tell us a
little bit. You're coming from the city, you know, working in the city of Detroit, and uh, you're the first weekend here. What did you think when we did our first drills together and you're with you know, MC and Island Fire. What was going through your head after the first twenty minutes. To be honest with you, really had no idea what to expect.
I had never really worked with a volunteer fire department before. I've been training for years with and with outside agency, with Ford Motor Company and Detroit Firefighters, but to come up here with people that are volunteer, my first taste and what to expect. I really had no idea. We were putting it all out on the line, and let's see how this turns out. Yeah, it's it's funny and the friendship we've we've forged between our department and
your department. So there's a there's a rumor that that goes around that getting the Macanon training weekend is a coveted detail in the Detroit Fire Department. Any truth to that is a very large truth. I didn't realize it the first couple of years we did this. We grabbed a handful of guys and guys that had been up here before and visited and you knew them. Jason met them, and we said, hey, let's get these guys together, bring
them in and let's do some training. And it's not because they were trained trainers and they were learned, but it's the experience. Jason, you had mentioned before how Detroit's the busiest fire department. We don't break about it. We know things because we do it so frequently. Right, So to learn from somebody you're going to learn from. You want to learn something from somebody, it does it a lot, right, You know, I'm a fervent believer, and you know, it's tough to go to a class, and
you know this happens a lot in this part of the state. You might go to a class and it's being taught by a guy who probably hasn't actually experienced the subject and what he's training you about. So you know, when you guys are here, it's it's absolutely great to have you and you talk real world experience, real world fires, and it's really tough to beat. So I mean, do you do you look forward to the weekend or is this on your calendar from starting the way back in March or how's that word.
I always look forward to this weekend. Any time I get a chance to share the wealth or the knowledge, I love it. Right. Uh. My biggest thing is I've always always been a very stern believer and very I back up the volunteers because these guys are coming from a job doing whatever God knows what, and all of a sudden you're going to a fire. Right. I have huge respect for that. And there have been people in
the past that are full time firefighters that have just frowned about it. Oh you're a volley Uh yeah, But you're not really taking this song into consideration. I have deep respect for volunteers, So chief, when when we uh, when you know when you're back in the city or back home, I should say uh. In the and you hear the word mac and Island and it pops up? Do you do you catch yourself saying, boy, do
I have a We'll have a story for you folks. People ask me about Macnaw Island and I have friends and family that have never stepped foot on the island and have lived in Michigan their entire life, which to me, I find that, Wow, I can't believe that. But then I get to add additionally to that because I feel that I have a little part of me
on the island. I'm an outsider looking in, I'm an outsider coming in, but yet I still have I feel I have roots here with your department because we've shared so much together over the last eight years, developed a great friendship, a great family perspective. There is no better family or closer family than the fire department, right and it's worldwide, not just department wide, citywide, however, you want to say that, so for me, anytime
that anybody mentions Macnaw island. I feel that. Yeah, I'm proud. I feel a minor part of mcna Island, that a part of me is there and a part of this island. And a lot of it has to do with the outreach of you guys as the Islanders, and your hospitality is incredible. It is by far better than anywhere and anything and anyone has ever come across you. People have welcomed us in here, total strangers, into your homes, your lives, and every minute I still remember that, appreciate
it and respect it. God bless you guys. Yeah, you're you're You're not wrong about the family of the of the fire department, and that's I would say almost everywhere you go. It's it's a great big family, and guys are and gals are real accommodating and real friendly for you know, the folks listening. Tom is he can back up what he's talking about. I can't tell you the number of times if we've caught a big fire here,
or or if we're experiencing a loss of a member. You know, we've had a few guys pass away over the few years, and I can tell you invariably, I almost as soon as it hits you know, it gets out or it hits social media. Tom reaches out immediately what he needs to do. What do you need from Detroit? Will be up there in the next boat. What do you need? And you can't put a price or an expression of gratitude on something like that. It's a it's a great group
of guys. And I'll tell you what, this is one of my favorite weekends all year, no question. And we're really happy and really thrilled with how this is going. We people reach out a little bit and say to these guys, take their show on the road. Where else do they do training? And and I don't know yet Tom. Tom hasn't established an LLC to take this show on the road just yet. But boy, yeah, what's the old expression? If if you can get them, they're they're worth
it. But Chief, thanks for being here, Thanks for coming this weekend, and thanks for all the laughs. I couldn't have picked a better place to be at this given time and to share what we do with you guys. I appreciate the sentiment. Chief folks. This has been another episode of the Macin Island Moments podcast. I'm Jason sat and coming to you from Macin Island. The only podcast that originates right here on mac Island, by a
Macan Islander. We want to once again thank our sponsor, Mission Point Resort, and not only for sponsoring today's show, but for the profound support and sponsorship of the Macin Island Fire Department. Liz and Mark and the rest of the Ware family. We thank you, everybody. Good day,