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Like I said, here in Crystal Lake, Illinois, I'm Dave Hamilton.
And here in Crystal Lake, Illinois, I'm Adam Christensen. And in another part of Crystal Lake, Illinois, it's Pilot Pete. I swear I thought you said the Greek gab, so.
Well, that's all right, Pete.
I had to have some fun. I figured you guys.
I feel bad for the people in the room next to you from whom you stole that sheet.
Well, there's that, but you know, Adam quit looking at me like that.
What I'm curious about is how well Pete's sheet is affixed to him and where it will be in an hour.
Let's don't find out.
That's right. I believe there's video of this. I don't know if it will be publishable to be determined.
Feet crossed.
Oh, yeah. Feet crossed. And no changes of that.
The cameras are on.
The cameras are on us, yeah. We are live. All right, yeah. We are live here. And we are going to be doing Stump the Geek. So your questions are what we will take live. Is there anyone who would like to open up the questioning? Brian, thank you, has a microphone to hand around to whoever it is. I've got one over here.
I was going to say, if no one else does, I have one.
On the house left, yeah, exactly.
Socrates taught by asking questions, so that's how we're going to go. Let's look at him. It's not a technical question, but are you wearing anything under that? A gentleman never tells.
Well, this is off to a good start.
Sorry, Dave.
Would anyone like to ask our second question? Yes, Jill from the Northwoods.
Right, I'll take it up. So I have a number of monitors. Let's say I had three monitors and one Elgato teleprompter. And my taskbar on the bottom keeps going to that monitor, to that monitor, to that monitor, all the time. shifting every three minutes? Good question. By itself? By itself, yeah, and so I have to look around to see where it went. It shouldn't be doing that.
You're talking about your dock moving. I'm sorry, my dock. Your dock, yeah.
That's what I was assuming. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Obviously if you put your cursor at the bottom it will bounce from dock to dock to dock. It kind of does it on its own. But if I put my, then I go and I literally put my mouse on a monitor, then it pops back. But can I just stop it from popping around all over the place?
Do you use a trackpad or an actual mouse?
Actual mouse.
Okay, so you're not having that accidental clicking issue that would happen with a trackpad if you had it set that way.
Yeah, it is the touch mouse from Apple.
Yeah, right. Yeah, because it would be, oh, so it could still be.
Yeah, it could be, yeah.
It could be that, because wherever the focus is where the dock is going to migrate itself. Is it obvious that other focus has changed to those screens, or to that screen?
It may, and that's what I was wondering, if it's maybe an app that grabs attention for a moment and then drags the dock over there, and then I...
If it were that, though, my gut says that it would keep going to the same screen unless you have an app with Windows in multiple screens, right?
I have many things strewn across my four monitors.
Yeah, welcome to the club.
Okay, I'll look for that.
Yeah, check, even temporarily turn off the tap mouse to click thing, and that may get you there. So, yeah. Mike?
Gentlemen. Where? Somewhere in Crystal Lake, possibly not in this room. I am the proud possessor of a Drobo 5D.
Thank you. Same. Is it still plugged in and using?
It's still plugged in. It's still being used. Thunderbolt 2-4 adapter.
Ah, 5D, not 5N. Sorry. Thank you for articulating that.
I have the same one. See? I knew I found the right group of nerds. I've got it. I have it. I know that the support is effectively over or in extended mode due to the bankruptcy of Drobo. And I know that at some point, Apple's support for extensions in macOS that permit this device to continue working is going to go away or be deprecated. The question is, do I ride it until it falls apart? Or do I transition to a Synology or some other NAS-based solution sooner rather than later?
instead of being forced to do it under pressure when an OS upgrade comes along and makes it not work anymore?
That.
Okay. Would you care to expand on your comments? I'll expand on my comment. I just moved to Synology for that exact reason. My main concern would be the proprietary nature of it, right? So if it stops working, how are you going to get your data off? And who knows when it's going to suddenly stop working? So that was my biggest fear and why I chose to like, jump ship now. I mean, you could move all that stuff over and continue to use
it for some purpose until it dies. But I just, I don't trust it at this point. Like for those exact reasons, right? The extension's going away. They've been saying it's going to go away for three or four generations of the operating system. I get that message. So it seems like a really clear warning to me. Like this is dangerous behavior and you probably should change it.
And I agree with everything uh that adam said you don't have to move to a nas though i mean you've got a direct attached drive uh there are many companies out there like owc being one of them that sell things like thunder bays where you can use that as a drobo 5d i don't want to say drop-in replacement but But functionally similar in that it is direct attached multi-drive storage as opposed to moving to a NAS.
Anybody that has listened to me or the show for any short length of time knows that I love my Synology and love to manage NAS. But that's me, and you may not want to have to learn to manage a NAS.
Did you say like OWC? Like OWC has some nice just RAID solutions.
Yeah. Yeah, I did say it on BBC, yeah, yeah.
So I would move now and just not look back. The writing's been on the wall for a long, long time with Drobo. I have a question. Jill's question reminded me of this issue. I keep it coming. I also have multiple monitors. That's what I'm sure we all do. Whenever I try to open Finder, it always pops up in the wrong... Well, I should say, I also use spaces. I've got six or seven spaces on each of the monitors. It never opens up Finder on the space I'm in. It always opens up where it was
previously. Is that something that can change? I'm pretty sure it is. Couldn't you set a default space for... an application, and Finder's just another application, right? And isn't there a third-party app that allows you to set where things go? I don't remember the name of it.
No, I think you're right that you can... I don't use multiple... I use multiple displays, so yes, therefore, I use multiple spaces. But for me, yeah, Finder Windows kind of open... They seem to have one screen that they love to open in more than others. The way Apple tells you it's supposed to work is that you get a finder window of the size, location, and layout that you want, and then close it and make sure it's the last one that's open.
Close it, and then all future windows will open where that one was left. It's false, but that is what they say. But, yeah, I am reminded that there is, I think you're right, Pete, there's some third-party app. But Adam, did you find a setting?
I think it might be this setting. And you could play with turning this off. So there's a setting that says, when switching to an application, switch to a space with open windows for the application. So if you had Finder open in another space, and then you switch to a different space, and you try to launch Finder, it's going to go back to the space that already had Finder open.
So I don't know what would happen, though, if Finder would just suddenly move to the new space or if you'd have two instances of Finder, one still in the old space and then a new window in the new space. That I don't know.
That I don't know.
I know. Look at the monitor that you don't want it to open in and let your computer think that that's the one you want it to open in.
That's fair.
But I think it's that setting that I'm thinking of where if you already had an application open in a space, Well, anytime that's on, it's going to go switch automatically to that space if you try and launch the application from the dock or from Spotlight or whatever.
Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. All right. We're moving on to new listener Allison, I believe.
Yes, new listener Allison here. Just a quick tip on the Drobo question. They're actually worth money to sell on eBay. So that takes the little bit of the pinch, the sting out of buying a new device. To whom?
Well, to people that aren't yet ready to migrate to the thing they will need to migrate to. But also, like, maybe music production studios tend to be many operating system versions behind because they truly treat their computers as just yet another tool in the workflow. And so they're not like us and don't feel the need to upgrade to the latest thing Apple pushed out.
You're not going to make bank, but I mean, Adobe 5D3 with no power supply and no hard drive is $124 right now.
Well, that's more than zero.
Right. How about a new inbox USB USB? Three, Drobo. I'll do some research for you.
Thanks. You might have a buyer by the end of the episode. Probably not in this room, though, given what we've said so far. I think we devalued your Drobo, at least for present company. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, John F. Braun.
Woo-hoo. Hi. Hey. Okay. Number one, I still have a Drobo FS. So I think I may put it on the used market. No, it works great. I'm serious. I still haven't used a transporter. I mean, no, I'm lying. All right, but here's my question. So this is a self-induced problem on my end is that, so Dave, as you recall, I was a big fan of OpenVPN for my VPN into my home network. Well, apparently I screwed something up because now it doesn't work anymore. It complains about a certificate signing issue.
So I'm just looking for general suggestions from anybody on the stage there. What would you recommend as the most reliable or easiest to use solution to access your local network remotely? Fail scale. Okay, I'm having problems getting that to work. Oh, really? I punch in the IP address that it says it assigned to my devices, and it knows about them, but it never connects. So maybe it's whatever they have in the network here.
No, I've had no trouble getting to my network via TailScale. But there is, so TailScale is a, it's a, it's a, self-configuring WireGuard VPN, and you don't really need to know that it's WireGuard under the hood. You just install TailScale on as many devices as you would like to connect to one another.
And then what TailScale does is effectively creates a portable LAN, meaning once I'm here in Crystal Lake, as soon as I connect my laptop to TailScale, it is as though I am connected locally to all of the other computers I own that are also connected to that tail net. But there is a feature that I use, and I'm forgetting where I turn it on, but it allows me to use not the tail scale IP addresses of all of my computers, but the same local IP address that I would use.
So my 192.168.whatever address that I use at home is the same address I can use to attach to that computer no matter where I am in the world. So that, whatever that feature is, and I'm trying to look in tail scale while we're talking here and can't really find it, at least I don't think so, but that would be the thing to enable. And then you don't have to worry about having two separate IP addresses for a computer.
Right, because it gives me a block 100 dot something.
Correct, yeah. They will still have those. All of my devices have them. I don't know what those are because I just use their local addresses. So try the local address of the computer at home, and it might just work. Like, it might already be on for you.
Okay. All right. I get that because I use a 172 address. Sure.
Yeah.
Why not?
Yeah. Why not? Yeah. It doesn't matter what you use. It should all just work.
I like 10.10s, but that's just me.
Well, that's because you're a 10, Adam.
All right, guys.
You're a 10.10. You're not just a 10. You're a 10.10.
I'm a 10.10. All right. Thanks for your guidance. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
It looks like Dan has the next question.
Just a note on that feature you were talking about. That's called subnet router.
Yes.
And you have to have it turned on on one of your clients on that network beforehand. Right.
And when you turn on subnet router, not only does it let you get local access to or access to that computer via its LAN IP, but then that computer becomes a gateway to even non-Talescale devices on that same LAN.
Yes.
Which is wonderful.
Yes, it is.
So you can connect to, say, your router, even if your router isn't running Talescale or can't run Talescale. Thank you for that, Dan.
Yep.
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So the s lady on maps okay for some reason i am no longer getting verbal instructions, on maps so i'll do directions i get stuff on the screen but i do not get the voice the voice has disappeared i am using um a different voice than the standard than the than the default sure uh However, I happen to be in, you know, as part of this conference, I happen to be in the car of one Michael T. Rose over here the other day. He's using the same voice and was getting verbal directions.
Because I had called Apple Support, and they thought it might be that I was using a nonstandard voice. Also, I have one car with Apple CarPlay and another car without, just at the moment, odd circumstances. Sure. And it does not work either with or without. In both cars, I don't get the voice any longer. Years, I mean, I don't know, two, three years ago, I used to. The voice is gone. And I really like to hear.
Yeah. I don't blame you. I'm looking in map settings on iOS18.whatever, and I know there are... Okay, spoken directions... If you go into settings maps on your phone, there is a, I don't know, halfway down the long scrolly list is a section for spoken directions. And there is no way to turn that off, by the way. But there are different volume levels and some different options about what happens. Do directions wake the device, et cetera, et cetera.
So this might be one of those change a setting and see if it rewrites the preference file to be correct. And I'm getting a no indication from Gary here in the front. So if you have something to add, great, and then we'll let Gary.
Let me just add, I have it set on normal volume.
Yep.
And all the little green buttons are on.
Try changing it to louder volume and then even back to normal again just to sort of force that to rewrite itself.
I've had that issue before too and had to like toggle and mess around with it. But did you start off saying you're not getting voice on the Mac also? Or did I miss?
No, just Maps, I think. Oh, Maps.
Maps. I heard Mac, not Maps.
That was correct. Maps.
Yeah, sorry. If you look on the screen in your vehicle in CarPlay, on the right-hand side, if it's not showing, you'll have to tap the screen, and there's like a mouth. And I have turned it off accidentally, and it's gone silent. And it's on the screen in the vehicle when you have maps on the screen, and it's on the right-hand side. One of those icons is the volume for the voice or to have it shut up.
So that's alerts-only mode, which would be a good thing to check, Linda.
Except that, bear in mind, I have two cars.
Same phone.
Right, same phone, two cars. The non-CarPlay car also does not play it. That car is a 2009 car, so nothing.
Gary's answer may still be the right one, because maps could be in alerts-only mode, and that would persist from vehicle to vehicle because it's the same iPhone.
That cannot be the cause because it's been like that before I got the car with CarPlay. So that can't be the cause.
No, you can change that even in maps. If you start directions somewhere, you will see that you can tell it to either make noise or only tell you about alerts.
There's also another esoteric setting for volume in Maps. Right. If you are listening to Maps speak to you, or when it should be speaking to you, and you start playing with the volume control buttons on your phone, it will change the volume in Maps independently of anything else you have set. So if there's a chance that maybe the volume had been turned down on your phone while Maps was talking at one point, that will be a persistent setting across all your devices.
Okay. I'm eager to hear. Is there a follow-up, Linda? We're here. We can follow up. It's fine.
I was just going to say, I will try that. I'll try some different things.
Amazing. Yeah, please report back.
Yeah. Will do.
Feedback at MacGeekGab.com.
Hold on. It's feedback at MacGeekGab.com, Dave. Feedback. Feedback. Feedback.
There we go.
Yeah, they know. It's feedback at MacGeekOut.com.
All right. Yeah. Dave?
Hey. So preparing for my presentation, I was having some challenges with Apple TV. I wanted to do, as everybody saw it, that I wanted to be able to screen share it. And going into HomeKit, I was not, two of the three of my Apple TVs were not showing up in HomeKit for some reason. And I went through erasing it and restoring it, and it was, but I did restore it back to its backup, so it restored it back to the way it was.
So I really don't want to go as drastic as having to just wipe it clean and just do a clean install. Anybody, have you guys experienced anything with that, with Apple TVs not showing up in HomeKit?
My no i i think the answer is no uh that we haven't but my gut would be sign out of your apple id sign back in
Yeah i did that you did that i would i would yeah i would assume he started with restart right just restart that too and then sign out sign in yeah uh i don't know yeah same, stumped you guys what what.
What this is well
So i'll ask you ultimately you got it to work right well ultimately because only one of my three i wasn't the one i wanted to do so there was one that was in my bedroom and then i had one in my office my home office um that was the third second one i had one down in my family room basement and that those that both those stop working. The one that's in the office is the brand new, the newest Apple TV. It was the 4K, you know, the latest.
Yeah, yeah.
The other ones were just slightly older, like a third gen, and then it might have been a, yeah, third gen, 4K, and one of them was HD. And they're all on the same network. You're not doing something weird like running a separate IoT network. No, no, it was on the same network, yeah. I have an Aero router, so.
And you're, I realize these are obvious questions, but your Apple TV can access the internet okay? Like, it's not, okay, there's not some weird block. I mean, no.
It's our primary device in the house. Got it. I've got YouTube TV and all that, so, yeah.
Huh.
Very strange.
Yeah, I'm looking around to see if anybody has ideas other than, yeah. Give it a shot. Stump the geeks.
There's not a way in Home to, like, because HomeKit, like, Apple TV is to show up in HomeKit. You don't have to, like, add them and, like, you couldn't remove it.
Not only do you not have to add them, you don't get to do anything. It's magic, Adam. It just automatically works for everybody.
Every time.
Yeah?
Yes. I've had an annoying situation with both my laptop and desktop machines where I have the hard drives turned on so I can see them on the desktop, and then I'll go and put the machine to sleep and then when I wake it up, the hard drives are all over the place. Is anybody else having that problem? Is that an OS issue or is there a setting that I'm missing?
You mean the icons for your hard drives just kind of go scattered?
They don't stay where they're supposed to stay.
Yeah, I mean, I think that's because when you boot the machine, they are the first thing that the Mac sees, So they get listed first, and then you have all your documents after them. And then they are ejected. And so your documents are now the oldest thing that your Mac has seen. And when you. Wake back up, it sees the drive as something new and adds it to the end of the list. But I think you can sort that by kind, can't you? And leave it sorted by kind.
We have Gary up in the front who has something to add to this. But I think closing all your Finder windows, click on the desktop, I think you can still sort that by kind. And then that will put your drives in the same spot because they are the same kind of thing.
Dave, would you recommend booting into safe mode in a situation like that to do some housekeeping that's built in, designed by Apple?
Built-in housekeeping is never a bad idea to do, but I would be surprised if it would affect this behavior. And I'm getting, from Father John, I'm getting agreement to that.
There is an app that you can just click, and it will put them all where you want them. It's on my machine, and I asked my friend to bring down my machine, so I'll have it for you in maybe 10 minutes.
Okay, great. So a Cool Stuff found is an app to fix that. Great. D-I-M is the name of the app. D-I-M is the name of the app? Okay. Okay. Okay, fix desktop icons in their locations.
Okay, great. I have this question. Isn't there also a setting to not allow drives to go to sleep, spin down sort of thing when your Mac goes to sleep? I don't know if it's a good idea or not. I never understood that setting. And maybe they don't have that with SSDs. I don't know if these are spinning drives or SSDs.
Yeah, fair.
But I think with spinning drives, right, you have this option to have them kind of spin down and go to sleep when your Mac goes to sleep or not. Used to be caffeine. What did you say? Used to be caffeine. Yeah. Caffeine, keep it away.
Yeah, amphetamine would do it. He said SSD. SSDs, yeah. Yeah. I don't know that that would help, though, because it's not that the drive is spinning down. It's that the Mac is going to sleep, and on its way to sleep is unmounting the drive. So whether they remain powered or not, is sort of immaterial to this because they're unmounting and then when you wake it back up, they're remounting, if I'm understanding correctly. So your Father John solution of this DIM app will be the magic answer.
Desktop icon manager.
Well, that's certainly, yeah, there you go. All right, we'll put a link to that in the show notes at mackgeekab.com, which I'm building by hand while we're doing this and is proving very interesting. Because when we do the show normally, we know what your questions are in advance, and I've already given them titles. So all I have to do is put timestamps by them. Now, as I'm listening to the questions, I have to type enough to give myself
a hint as to what it's going to be. and no, there won't be timestamps for any of this stuff and I'm okay with it, so. And Chuck is causing trouble over here, which, right, I think that's Chuck. I don't have my glasses on at the moment and I love that. But anyway, yeah, there we go. I think we have either a new question or a follow-up from Linda.
Follow-up, double follow-up.
Okay.
On my husband's iPhone sitting next to me, there are two icons in the upper right-hand corner, one of which is the speaker icon.
Yeah?
Right on mine it was not there he played around with it it came up but it's disappeared again, so follow-up to added evidence to the mystery clearly you need a new phone this is the newer phone this is the 16 pro this is the new one his is a 15.
I mean clearly
You need an older phone, You.
Don't want to hear the answer to this, but nuke and pave without restoring any prior settings would be a one way of solving this problem. I don't like it either. Like, I never like the, you know, the way to find the needle in the haystack is to shoot the haystack with a shotgun as many times as you can until there's no more haystack left. that's not my favorite troubleshooting method but sometimes
Works have you done just a hard reboot.
Yeah okay
I tried.
Yeah.
Blair. All right. Good evening, gentlemen. My question is, when my family entered the 21st century in 2010 and bought an iMac, it entered our house with Snow Leopard, and since then, of course, it's been 15 years. We have got it up to High Sierra, which is as high as it's allowed to go. So, I still use it for iTunes because I'm in the habit of ripping things still. I still use it as a hard backup for some of my much beloved iPods and things like that. And still use for photos.
So, it's still connected to the internet, although I don't use it for surfing. Given what I'm curious to know, given its age, what would you suggest I could do, partly out of concern for security, but what else I can do to use it going forward? Thank you.
Yeah, it's a great question because I think there's a lot of us with older hardware like that that is still perfectly fast enough to do all the things that we would want it to do. It's just no longer getting software updates from Apple. So, Adam, repeat.
I mean, I used a Mac Mini until I moved to South Dakota. I used a Mac Mini on my network running, um, Chronosync had like a companion. It had Drobo hard connected to it, an old Drobo. It had, um, the Chronosync, uh, agent, I think it's called or something like that, which allows Chronosync to kind of see it on the network and connect to it. And I ran all my Chronosync backups to it over the network and it was stuck at Snow Leopard.
Yeah.
I don't think, I, in my case, I don't think I had it connected to the internet.
I think the classic thing that people wonder about is like, you know, well, it's not getting OS security updates anymore so is it like vulnerable and I kind of feel like people are targeting machines that old I don't know maybe that's naive yeah right but I mean yeah there's lots I mean there's lots of things you can do with them I mean is that what the question is or is the question like what else can I do to it to modernize it up I.
Mean I think a little bit of both if I okay Blair's nodding yes we had a brief sort of this is the one question I knew was coming. We had a brief conversation this afternoon here at MaxDoc because that's how things work. And I asked Blair, wait, save this for the show. Like this is a great question. And the topic of using OCLP, which is Open Core Legacy Patcher came up.
And that, I've never used it, but many of you have written in, and I think many of you who have written in are in this room, have used it with great success. And what OpenCore Legacy Patcher does is it lets you run newer versions of Mac OS on older hardware, so exactly this. It doesn't work for everything, for obvious reasons. Apple certainly didn't build these newer operating systems to run that hardware, and that's somewhat intentional.
But it is an option, and certainly would be worth trying, especially in kind of the scenario you described, where it's not a mission-critical machine, but it's a functional machine, and it might as well remain one. If you have ever wanted to experiment with a version of a different flavor of Unix that is not Mac OS. Elementary OS is kind of one of the ones that is very built for Mac hardware, and it's available at elementary.io.
So that would be another one. I've run that before, and it's fully functional and does all the right things, and it's up to date, and your hardware will happily run that. So I think so that would be that would be another thing to try. Pete did you have a
You could use it for anything as simple as it is a TV So we had an old iMac in the kitchen for a long time My wife used to you know watch the news when she was preparing dinner that sort of thing, And then maybe I don't know as a home VPN Exit note will it run will that run tail scale it probably will it.
Might run tail scale.
Yeah, you could use it as an exit note so when you're out, you can appear to be home?
It's no longer getting security updates.
I'm getting the note. Yeah, it's not the security update. Yeah, so that's the issue.
So I would be less...
New listener Allison didn't like that suggestion.
No, I mean, if you're going to use it for...
I gave her the willies.
If you're going to use it for that reason, I would either run OpenCore Legacy Patch or Elementary OS or something because you can run TailScale with that. You can run a Plex server with all of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, but modernizing the OS to something that is getting security updates. If it's going to be, especially if you're going to make it sort of a front door citizen to the Internet, either because it's a media server or a tail scale server or something like that.
Yeah, great question. Blair has potentially a follow up. I don't know where the microphone is. Oh, sorry, I didn't realize the mic had already moved. We'll get you next. We've got plenty of time.
Just to follow up, with respect to the OpenCore OCL patch or the elementary OS, would that affect any of the content that's currently on the iMac that I have right now?
I've never done OpenCore Legacy Patcher. I don't know if you have to wipe it clean to do this. You do. Okay, we're getting some yeses. And certainly installing elementary, I mean, that's not macOS. So, in that case, also. So, yeah, back your data up for certain before you attempt any of these things.
Thank you very much again.
Yeah, of course. And a big round of applause for Brian. Thank you for moving the microphone from person to person.
I think listener Allison has a follow-up, too.
I thought there was a question in the back here. Oh, is this?
Listener Allison has a follow-up.
Follow-up. Thank you. Okay.
Yeah, just real quick with respect to what Adam said about them not targeting older machines. The problem is that when a machine gets out of patch updates, the newer operating systems, when they patch them, they reveal what it is that where the vulnerabilities are. And those vulnerabilities are in the older ones and not getting patched. So it's actually the opposite, I think. Well, that's why I said it was probably bad advice.
But nothing as bad as patch. I fully admit it. That's probably wrongful thinking.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Thank you for the evidence that I was wrong. Not security through obscurity? No.
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Thank you. Hello. I have a question about the messages app. We have a small family group with six members in it, you know, chat, chat, chat, chat, chat. And that all worked fine. Then I started traveling a lot. And I would travel, say, to South America. And I would get an e-SIM in my phone. And then maybe travel to Ireland and get a whole other e-SIM for a while. And using texting. And then I get home. And that's where the problem is. Because now there's not
six members. There's like eight members. And four of them are all different versions of me that look the same. And I nuked three of them. But they seem to be coming back. And I don't know which is which. and obviously it's tied to these eSIMs.
Yeah yeah it most likely you can see or certainly someone else can see which versions of you are in any given group we have I believe four different permutations of groups with my daughter in them and she's been living in Italy for the last few years and now she's for the summer she's in the States so she has a kind of the reverse situation She has an eSIM for the States. And as soon as she got here, I guess she's been getting a new one each month.
So when she changed from her first U.S. eSIM to her second one, she suddenly was unable to type in two of these groups. So I was like, all right. And we had seen multiple personalities of her sort of appearing in these, but it didn't really matter. It was like, okay, you know. But once she couldn't type in them, it was like, all right, now it's time to solve this. and we did a few things.
We made sure that in our contact records for her that we didn't have her old U.S. number from years ago, which one of us did and kept trying to like insert that into the chain. So it was sort of sanitizing our contact records was one of the things we did. I don't know which of these things actually fixed it because we did all of them and there was no control group. We had, in order to get her texting ability left, we had to remove all of her from these groups and add one of her back in.
And the one that we added back in is the... Email address that she actually uses for her iCloud account. It's not an email she uses for anything in a live sense. And we all had to make sure that was added to our contact records so that we weren't then adding other versions of her to things. But once we all did that, things have remained pretty stable.
So it's not a me problem, it's a my family problem.
I mean, it kind of, yeah, right, because their devices are trying to make it work for them. The whole issue is at least in part and perhaps entirely due to the end-to-end encryption.
And in order for my computer to encrypt the message for everyone, including my daughter, it has to have, like my daughter needs to be in the chat, and her personality needs to be in the chat, and it has to have downloaded her public keys from Apple for that personality, so it's a whole, it's a house of cards that when you start adding eSIMs to the mix, it comes tumbling down.
Got it. Okay, thanks. That helps.
You're welcome. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And when you add a new eSIM, you would want to make sure that you aren't originating a message from that new number. You want to originate from that Apple iCloud ID.
Yeah, correct. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. And I will say it for everybody. When you turn your head, do not keep the microphone still. Turn the microphone with you. No, it keeps your level more consistent. Everybody who's listening at home will thank us later.
Well, listener Brian has a question, too. All right. So back in the day, there was a relatively obscure Macstock speaker that did a presentation on mesh networking. His name was Dave Hamilton. Maybe you've heard of him. Well, I have a mesh network, but I've been trying to go Ethernet, trying to convince Time Warner Cable and Spectrum to put in cable in my wall was like asking them to fund a retirement account for me. So AT&T has been willing to put a DSL account through a phone jack.
So what I want to do is this. There's not enough Ethernet ports on the AT&T DSL modem. I've got some AirPort extremes. Now, I was thinking about running the Ethernet cable.
Hang on. I need to stop you here because I'm super distracted by one thing, and I've stopped listening to you. Yep. Are you getting DSL or are you getting fiber?
No, I don't have to. believe it or not the fiber literally runs to the the entrance way to our condo association and that's where they stopped it and we'd have to pay thousands of dollars to have the fiber okay.
And you are moving from a cable modem connection
Here's what i have so there's ethernet ports on the dsl but.
I want to i i i need to know speeds because i know how fast dsl isn't yeah you you You may be moving very backwards.
120 and 30. I've tested, I've speed tested it.
You're getting 120 megabits per second?
Yeah, and 30 up.
My DSL?
Wow, yeah. Yeah, really? I just ran this the other day.
Let's believe him.
Yes, believe me.
Let's believe, no, there's a lot of chatter in the room.
Unless the speed test, unless the Nokia speed test. Yeah, okay.
So we're going to believe you. We're just going to ignore when you say DSL because it's probably some hybrid thing. But that's okay. Okay. So that's fine.
So I don't have enough Ethernet ports. Got it. So here's my plan. I've got a bunch of Airport Extreme circa about 2012. It has plenty of Ethernet ports on the back. So I'm thinking Ethernet cable from the AT&T modem to the airport extremes using the airport utility to still have Wi-Fi to like run into a printer, but then hardwire with Ethernet cable three laptops. Or should I just bite the bullet and buy some more modern routing equipment?
You buy a switch. Yeah. I mean, they're cheap.
So the switch from the AT&T and just everything's good, you think?
AT&T into, because the AT&T is your router, right? It is a router? Yes. It's not just a modem. It's also a router. Yeah. Does it have Wi-Fi in it?
It does have Wi-Fi. Great.
Yeah. The most cost-effective solution is let that be the router and just buy a, whatever, five or eight port switch for your Ethernet and go from the AT&T router into that switch and then into all your other stuff.
The last follow-up with that, if I run like three computers to this, is that going to split the bandwidth through that switch? Am I going to, or will I still have relatively, if you believe me, the speeds that I'm testing?
You know, I believe the speeds. I just don't believe it's DSL, but I could be wrong about this. No.
I'm just wondering if the splitter is going to slow it down or the switch is going to slow it down.
The switch is not going to be the weakest link in that particular chain.
Awesome. Yeah, I can get one for like 14 bucks on Amazon. Exactly. Could they be like triple, quadruple bonding DSL now or something like that?
Maybe, yeah. A guitar player friend of mine years ago, I probably can tell this story, doesn't matter. You don't know who he is or where he worked. came to a gig one day and was like, Dave, I figured it out. I'm like, okay, what'd you figure out? He's like, I figured out how to amplify a DSL signal and keep its bandwidth over triple the length of what DSL can normally do. I'm like, man, this is like, that's a game changer. He's like, I know, but nobody that I know appreciates this except you.
So maybe that particular guitar StarPlayer kept working on different DSL tech.
Oh, yeah. So, yeah. I think most of the room was frantically Googling as Brian was talking. Great. And, indeed, there are modern DSL technologies known as VDSL and VDSL2, which do, in fact, offer up to 100 megabit download asymmetrical speed. 300? I have 300 on here for VDSL2. That might be several bonded. Wikipedia is saying exceeding 100 megabit simultaneously symmetrical which is crazy and I think we all agree that's crazy but good job Brian at getting AT&T to provide it to you.
Thank you that's great and thanks for the clarification that's going to be the thing that allows me to sleep tonight Mike not any of the health issues I've had or any of that stuff I'll finally be able to sleep tonight because I've been up for the last two weeks because I didn't know about VDSL and now I do So there we go.
So the Airport Extremes will keep getting dust, and I'll get a switch.
Yeah, you could sell those Airport Extremes to your local musician friends who want to use them with their routers. Sorry, with their mixers that they bring to clubs and never put on the internet. They're great for that. That's a good use for those.
I got two beautiful ones.
All right.
Yeah. That's great.
Awesome.
All right. Hi, this is Charles. I'm going to be the pedantic person. That's Airports Extreme.
Yes, it is. Thank you for that.
Yes, I do say MacBooks Pro.
It is MacBooks Pro and MacBooks Air. Yes, that is correct. Yes.
Beyond that, I think we have a solution for the problem with the maps not giving the directions on things. And it's a two-part item. On the one hand, every time that you open up maps and actually ask it to give you directions, you have to actually turn the directions on, two little icons should show up, one of which is actually whether you want the directions to speak or not. However, Linda's phone is not showing those.
Fascinating.
Delving into the system preferences on the thing, I've discovered that somehow the preferences for directions were set to default to public transit. And the bus driver doesn't want to hear how to get there.
I'm glad you're doing this now and not stepping in front of the white line while the bus is in motion. So, yeah, that's good.
So switching it over from there to driving or to pedestrian, then the buttons show up in the Maps app and then they can be properly turned on and speaking.
Nice find.
Wow, well done.
Charles, you might have a future in some of this tech stuff. Yeah, yeah.
Listener Allison is back. New listener Allison.
That's right.
Okay, it's not a follow-up. Adam, this is really for Adam. My Apple Watch for the last couple of days has been saying, Apple account verification, enter the password for blah, blah, blah in settings. What's going on? Okay, so I have more to that because I was going to bring my stump the geek question. So I was up in my room and I had not opened my, and this is proof I did get a new MacBook Pro, people.
Thank goodness.
I left my 2019 Intel, finally.
Less than we did. Less than we did.
And so I had opened Mail and I noticed my two iCloud accounts are not connecting to Apple Mail. And that's what it's been saying to me is there's like some sort of login problem. I went to Apple's status page. Apple says everything's fine. So I think something's going on with Apple and iCloud. I don't think this is a me problem. Me too. I have the same problem.
For any of you who have had this problem, did it start after you arrived here in Crystal Lake?
No, mine started before I got here. For me, it's been I'm going for a while.
Okay, okay. So it's not some weird, like, hotel, like, to speak to John's theory before that was blocking his VPN or whatever.
It's a problem.
A Chicago thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think I took a screenshot of what it was saying. Yeah, so my iCloud accounts are saying, could not connect to this SMTP server. Check your network connection and that you entered the correct information for the account preferences. Also verify that the server supports SSL. If it does not, deselect the use TSL SSL checkbox, which you can't do for iCloud, by the way.
I was going to say, you don't get control of any of this for iCloud.
No, so something is way off. And I don't know if it's intermittent. It seems like it's intermittent. I just dismissed it. I don't think we're having other problems on other devices.
Allison, is yours specifically about mail? Or is it just a...
Apple ID, basically.
Oh, it's your Apple ID. Got it, got it. Okay, all right. Interesting.
It's just the Apple account verification. Yeah. Not Apple ID, guys. Come on, jeez.
Oh, yeah, yeah. We're living in the past, which is a great job.
Oh, it's called Apple Account now, not Apple ID?
Yeah, it is. It changed it on us. They're trying to keep us on our toes,
Adam.
When we started this show, there was no such thing as an Apple ID.
I just still call it my iTunes account.
Yeah, there you go. I have a follow-up. Did that exist before we started podcasting? I don't know.
I think so.
Yeah, I think it did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those of us with Mac.com email addresses. Woo-hoo! Wow, that's like over half the room.
I love that. My wife refuses to use anything other than that. It's always Mac.com.
Yeah, why not?
I got Mac.com.
I don't have an answer for this.
Again, now I'm convinced when I saw this, I'm like, no, something weird is going on with whatever server Apple's having intermittent. Gentlemen. Well, and Pete. Thank you, Brian. Dave may have a solution for you. He had to get him to tell you that I have a solution, possibly. I asked a trusted chat GPT this question. And it says, if your Apple Watch keeps asking for Apple ID verification repeatedly, here's how to fix it.
Step by step, there is a known bug that can happen after software updates, password changes, or iCloud sync issues. And then it goes through all the steps. So restart everything, check Apple ID on both devices, and then there was a sign out and sign back in on the iPhone. And it goes through some more stops. So there is a bug.
Or at least ChatGPT wants to please you, and therefore it's telling you that there's a bug. Well, in scenarios like this, and I mean, you know I love to use ChatGPT for a lot of things. It is not the best. It is not the most reliable for tech support because of its desire to please. and I realize I'm assigning feelings to a robot. But yeah, yeah, yeah.
But it's in scenarios like this that I will use my favorite three-word phrase that I learned from Matt Levine at Cashfly, which is I asked ChatGBT, are you sure? It's a great thing to ask it when troubleshooting because it has kept me from going on many wild goose chases. Would that be many wild goose's chase? Charles, I'm not sure. Goose is on tour, that's right.
Meese, geese. It did say yes, by the way, when I said, are you sure? Of course.
That's right. All right. Yeah, and maybe signing out and signing back in. I mean, we don't have a lot of options other than that, so we might as well try it, yeah.
That would be my next step, but I'm not willing to do it right now because I don't care that much. And on the watch, I asked you at dinner, are you noticing any specific issues other than it just telling you something's wrong and then nothing appearing to be wrong at all, which is what's happening for me. So I just dismiss it, and then it goes away for a day, and then it happens again. And it's like everything's working on my Apple Watch as far as I know.
So there's no material impact for me to want to go through the hassle of logging out and logging back in again.
Yeah, I guess that's fair. Yeah, if it's not, if the only negative symptom is that occasional message, that's livable.
It's annoying, but...
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Another John F. Braun question.
Listener John is back. Greetings. Greetings. Humans. Just a tip here, but I was having a problem the other day with picking up my email from my iCloud account. And I just want to offer a tip to everyone here. www.apple.com slash support slash system status. And believe it or not, it was actually accurate. It was like, sorry about that, but these services are down, but maybe come back a little later. And the thing is, when I came back a little later,
everything was great. Amazing. Just want to toss that out. It kind of shocked me that Apple is putting up a page that admits where they screwed up. But these things happen.
Yeah, no, that's just good support. I mean, it keeps the phone from ringing from at least some of us, right? It kept you from calling, which is good. Like, if they know it's down, it presumably means they're fixing it.
Just FYI, most web-based services have this kind of page. So if you have a box or a Dropbox or Microsoft Cloud Services or most cloud services providers will have some sort of status page. You probably could ask GPT what the status is too of a particular service and it would probably have already scraped that page and be able to tell you, but most do. So it's a great place to check. If you're having an issue, check there first to make sure it's them, because it could be them, not you.
Yeah.
Yeah. So that's good advice.
That's good advice. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Another question about the S lady. It used to be that you could put in your me card and contacts how to pronounce your last name if you didn't have an easy name like Hamilton, something like that, right? So our last name is somewhat odd, but I've typed it in, and it used to be that she would pronounce it correctly. That correctness has gone away, maybe for the last couple of OSs.
is there anybody know is there a trick or a ask the bus driver i thought you i know you're what you're talking about you could do it manually i thought you can also do that i haven't done it in a long time but i i believe there was a way to do that verbally where when she says it wrong you say no that's not how you say my name or something like that and then she'll prompt you for actually giving her the pronunciation. Presumably learn it, but that may be, maybe I'm misremembering that,
but I thought that was a thing. Okay. But is there also in your contact card a pronunciation, like custom?
Well, is that no longer there? Because you used to...
You might have to add it manually.
Yeah, you used to go into the contact card and add a field. Yep, exactly. and when you would add a field There
Is a field called phonetic first slash last name and so if that somehow went away you might be able to re-add it.
Yeah, there is a
Little plus at the bottom on my Mac. There's a little plus at the bottom.
So I'm finding two fields per name. So for first name, middle name, last name. I'm lying about some of this, but it's OK. You'll see when you get in there, there is phonetic first name and phonetic last name. And then there is also pronunciation, first name, pronunciation, last name.
so I don't know why there's two of these per name that doesn't seem to make sense but but I certainly would try both of them in your case and see if that that fixes it there is also a phonetic middle name but not a pronunciation middle name and a phonetic company name but not a pronunciation company name so I
You're looking on because I have I'm looking on a Mac are you.
Adam was looking on the Mac, I'm looking on iPhone.
He should be on his iPhone, yeah. Yeah, should be in contacts on the Mac.
But it's definitely in contacts on the iPhone. When you add field, I see all the fields I don't have for this particular human.
So, yeah. I have a follow-up question. You mentioned that you use a different S lady voice? Correct. Is it an international voice? And did this happen after you changed it? It's an American voice. Okay.
Okay.
Yeah. Because I use Australian Siri, and she pronounces stuff all kinds of weird. This is an American voice. I have, on the Mac, I have a phonetic first name, last name, but I don't have any of the other ones.
You don't have the pronunciation one? Yeah. That sounded like Adam was similar. So I would try it on your phone.
On the phone, yeah. Yeah. Because AI Google is saying to use the pronunciation first name and pronunciation last name for S lady.
Awesome.
Thank you.
Yeah, you're welcome. These are great questions. I mean, this is, when we say that the goal is for each of us to learn five new things, and we always make it clear that that includes us too. This is how we learn things most often is you send in a question and we have no freaking idea because we've never heard about this before. And then we get the opportunity to do some research. And now I've learned about fields I didn't even know existed. And I know we've all said this.
One of the best things about just being a part of this show, whether you're a host or an audience member or whatever, like just part of the Mac Geek App family, is I don't need this today, right? Linda needs this today. That's great. And hopefully we've found a solution path. But the rest of us are now aware of it. And six months from now, when something comes up, it's like, wait, wait, wait. I know there's an answer. I might not remember exactly what it was, but I know that it's there.
And that's one of the things that I love about being a part of this show. And I think, you know, I've heard that sentiment echoed many, many times over from all of us here, that that's one of the things we love about what we get to do together. So yeah, it's wonderful. Thank you for letting us continue to do this 20 years and counting. So it's pretty good. Yeah. Thank you. I feel like we've got time for a few more, yeah? Yeah? Do we have any more?
No. We've gotten to the end of the interview.
Have we exhausted the questions in the room? It's possible. If anything's possible. I do have a tip I'd like to share. Earlier today, Doc Rock was giving a presentation about using Ecamm, and it was a great presentation. But one of the things he said was when he's just recording, he'll let tape roll.
We understand that tape isn't tape anymore. but we let you know he let tape roll and he'll do a few takes of something and when he does a finishes a take of something and it's like I know I need to do that again he holds up a red card for five seconds to show that everything prior to that was a bad take and then when he finally gets a good one he holds up a green card for five seconds and then this way when he's scrubbing through his raw video later he sees the green
and he knows that everything between the final red and the green is good and he can wipe out all the stuff before that final red and what a brilliant thing and and then he shared you don't even have to do it with cards you could make uh scenes where the entire screen is green or red and just cut to that scene for five seconds and accomplish the same thing without needing to cart around, you know, physical red and green cards like you're a soccer referee or something.
But I just love that tip. I have to do the same thing when I'm editing audio because I usually pre-record the ads for the show to get them tight and make sure the message is clear and that I don't ramble for four minutes per sponsor because we're only supposed to go 60 seconds, so I try to go about 90.
And when I have a, you know, when I fumble or something, and it's like, oh, I need to re-record that, I clap twice, because on an audio waveform, those transients of claps look different from anything else, and I can easily see them, and I'm like, ah, right, that's right. I mean, it was three minutes ago that I recorded this. You'd think I'd remember, but those claps are nice to see there, and they make life really easy so there's some quick tips for uh video and audio editing ease so
Listener barry is requesting the mic too oh uh-oh what what's all this so first off i want to say thank you for having a membership program i was honored to be your first you.
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So you keep talking about red and green which thought I have a question when we talk about wine red white or rosé each one of you all.
Else being equal red okay
Adam red, I love red. Red don't love me, so I have to go with a white Pinot Grugio. Well, thank you, guys. And thank you again for a great show tonight. Thank you for the wine tasting.
Thanks for that, Barry. That's awesome. Any other questions, lingering things, before we get to pull the ripcord on this one and put everything prior to 1100 in the case? Uh-oh, no, not that ripcord, Pete. Sit back down. Sit back down. Nope, we don't need any wardrobe malfunctions tonight. I did have another quick tip. Oh, we shared that one. Oh, yeah, no, we'll save that for another episode. This is amazing. Thank you all for being here with us while we get to do this.
Thanks to everybody at home, of course, for choosing to press play on this episode. And I know the audio is not going to be nearly as perfect as it normally would be. So thank you for making it this far. Speaking of making the audio as excellent as it is, thanks to Roger Harmon for your hard work tonight, for being our engineer. Thanks to Brian Henson for running around the room with the microphone so that everybody got to hear everybody's comments. You are a star, my friend. Thank Corky
Heath for helping me put together.
Corky for putting the toga together well done sir and Corky for bringing junk food for everyone in the room so that we could all celebrate National Junk Food Day together in person all right well I mentioned Matt from Cashfly we'll say thanks to Cashfly for providing all the bandwidth that gets the episode from us to everyone that's not in the room. And I guess there's one other thing to say. I think we should count down and do this together, shall we?
So I will count one, two, three, and then on what would be four, we will say the three words of the best advice that one human can give to another. Are we Are you ready? Yeah, that's right, it's on Jim's shirt. I think it's on the back of mine. No, it's not, it's not on the back of this shirt. No, that's right, that's right. It is tattooed though, if I, no, nevermind. No wardrobe malfunctions. All right, so, on what would be four, are we ready? One, two, three.
Don't get caught.
Oh, that's music to my ears. Thanks so much everybody, see ya.
It is on the back of that shirt.
Though. It is on the back of this shirt? That's what I thought. Okay. I didn't know.
It's just really small at the bottom.
Yeah, that's right. All right. Before everyone leaves, what I want to do is get the three of us at the front of the stage. We are going to turn around and attempt a selfie of all of us in the room together here. And so, no, that's not how this camera works. Right. Oh, yeah. So, everybody, you could stand up if you all want to. Oh, yeah, it looks better, for sure.
Yeah, yeah. You got everybody?
I've got as much as I can get. So there we go. All right, here we go. Woo!
Dave needs longer arms.
Thank you. Thank you, thank you. Cheers.