It's a Clear Case of Lying

In iOS 26, if you go into settings, apps, phone, not settings cellular, but settings apps, phone, you now can set some new things. You can set the default calling app. It can be your cellular connection. It could be WhatsApp. It could be FaceTime audio. There are options in there. There are also options in there for what to do with spam calls, with call filtering. It's not just unknown callers anymore.

You can actually tell it to say, if calls are identified by your carrier as spam, send those to voicemail. There's lots of options, including the ones for screening unknown callers, which take far more time to go through than this quick tip. And we will do more of that, plus more quick tips. Plus, you'll find out why at least two of us are liars. Here today on Mac Geekab 1109 for Monday, September 29th, National Biscotti Day. 2025!

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I want to make sure everybody knows that there's a few days left in our monthly giveaway with Unify, where we're giving away the unified cloud gateway fiber and u7 pro xg so make sure to go to macgeekup.com slash giveaway for that and uh but yes we're we're all liars well two of us are are liars um i believe because um i have uh an orange iphone 17 pro uh on the way it'll probably arrived today so i made a decision i.

in italy so so now we have two spares in the system but it's fine it's all it all works out uh and then we sell whatever's whatever's left over you know if there's and there's always leftovers i we bought three phones last year because i wanted everybody in the family to be on a phone that could support apple intelligence right that has not really paid off although it kind of has you know i mean it not well.

I put them all in a drawer and got sidetracked and all of the things and never really came back to it. And so when I decided, yeah, I don't really need it, 17 or whatever this year. Like I've got what I need. And Apple kind of burned me last year, although I wasn't really sour about that. But that was like that I could use that reasoning to support my decision not to buy a new phone. But it's atypical for me. I think this would have been the first time I'd ever bought a phone.

The closest to it was when the iPhone X came out. I waited and bought the XR that year. But otherwise, I've always bought one. And so this year I said, okay, I have to sell off these phones. Like it's ridiculous having this pile of e-waste. I had four phones that we needed to sell off. Well, one is like super cracked. And so I just sold that to Gazelle, who has an old iPhone 10, actually, with a cracked back. But I got like 53 bucks from Gazelle for it. So, you know, hey, I know.

It's like, all right, great. I'm not going to worry about trying to find somebody on eBay that wants a phone with a cracked back, you know, trying to deal with that. So it was like, great, Gazelle takes it. But the other three I sold on eBay and it worked out great. And I made way more than half of what the 17 Pro would cost me.

You pay shipping two ways on this. But before I say leave it, I look at what Gazelle or somebody else would offer me on that day. Because now I've waited two weeks. And usually it's right around the time that new phones are coming out.

So prices are dropping but i i make sure that i'm going to get more from gazelle and i i do and then i send it to gazelle and that's that's the end of it so yeah um and i've sold to other places too gazelle's not the only one but apple apple has been not the best at sticking to the value that they have interesting.

Support warranty work correct yeah because because i i i mean i'm who i am it at i mean we've been doing this 20 years like if someone comes to me with a question i want to answer it right and my and it's true if my neighbors come to me i'm happy to answer their questions if they need like serious work done you know then we work out something where i'm compensated for my time but otherwise i you know i just give that away and i love it like it's obviously i love it but i i have to

work hard not to over invite it locally here so uh so that is when when you had mentioned facebook marketplace it's like oh not if i have to sell it to somebody that's that i'm gonna see at the grocery store nope nope i want to be just as anonymous to them as they are to me yeah right so yeah.

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Our second one, I think it is. Joe wrote in and he said, you know, with all the noise about liquid glass at WWDC, I missed the news that iOS finally has its own version of Preview.

It's actually pretty powerful. powerful and and that's from joe m i i summarized it but i wrote to him also i said i i remember the preview app being talked about but with information coming so fast i basically ignored it i was like yeah okay you know that's sure and i've not been a big files user on ios for the very reason that you didn't have the ability to do the things you wanted to do with the files and with ios 26 all that's

changed you get with pdf and images you've got centralized viewing you can do basic edits It's like rotate, crop, resize, export to heic.jpg.pdf.png and TIFF. PDF features, you can do markup and annotation with a pencil or your finger, autofill forms, scan directly to multi-page PDFs. And then the image features, you can create new images from scratch or from a clipboard, you know, blank images, all that stuff. So go play with the preview app in iOS and tell us what you're doing with it.

Just shoot us an email at feedback at Mac geek gab.com and tell us what you're doing with it.

thanks for the call out about car widgets in CarPlay. So you have widgets now. We talked about that on the last episode, or a couple episodes back, I don't remember. But I just wanted to point out that when I used the chat GPT in the widget, my phone has to be facing up. It can't be facing down or it thinks the phone is asleep. Oh, that's why that doesn't work.

Like, why? If I'm going to mess with my phone, well, now we've completely broken the seal. Like, so. Yeah. Exactly i i don't know i like that and now you're.

As soon as the car stops, then I get the full list of apps. So if I'm going to Apple Music and I wanted to, you know, kind of find something that was below letter B, I can't while the car is moving. So guess what I'm going to do if I want to get to something in the ages? I'm going to pick up my phone and do it there, which is like I don't I just don't see where it's safer. But, you know, hopefully Apple will continue to iterate on this in a way that pleases me.

I know that's their entire goal in life is to please me. uh speaking of chat gpt uh.

Make sure if you have a ChatGPT account, even if it's just a free account, you can go into System Settings, Apple Intelligence, and Siri. And you can turn on the ChatGPT extension so that Siri is capable of using ChatGPT.

And then you can sign into your own ChatGPT account so that whatever you interact with there, A, gets the benefits of your paid account if you have a paid account, but also ties into the data store of your ChatGPT account so that you've kind of got all this stuff tied in together. And you may also choose that you don't want that to happen, and that's also fine. So then that way, chat GPT is not, you know, OpenAI is not storing your stuff. But yes, be aware of that out there.

So that's all. Sign in if you like. Not mandatory.

The desktop Amazon Photos app does a good job of crawling your internal and external drives and finding and uploading every photo it finds, but it can drive high CPU usage, so just be aware of that. I mean, that's great, you know?

Imagine this scenario. You create a contact card for a business that you expect to use more than once you want to add their logo from their website to their contact card it's pretty easy to copy the logo from the web browser but then what it's amazing to me that i can't just paste it into the contact card it wants me to jump through a bunch of hoops of adding something from my photos library or creating a genmoji he says i've got the image on my clipboard already

am i doing something wrong what's a good workflow for this And then he goes, I do have one quick tip for doing this. You can just drag the graphic from the web page directly to the image placeholder in Contacts, then resize and crop as needed. And you don't even need to be in the edit mode. I played with this. You can just drag the image right onto the little circle next to their name in Contacts in macOS. And there it is. Then you can resize and crop, et cetera, et cetera.

And in his thing, he said, you need to arrange the windows so you can drag one from the other. And Ben got in there and pointed out, you don't need to prearrange the windows. Once you pick up the image, you can use command tab or whatever other thing. App switcher that you use to bring contacts to the front and then just drop it in there. So that's a good way to get a photo into a contact card that doesn't otherwise already have one.

a file from the finder or whatever the little yoink uh it's like a trough i call it a trough but it's not at the bottom it just pops out from the side of the screen i think you can decide where it comes i have mine in the upper right which i believe is the default and then you just put it on the trough and the trough stays there until you drag it out of the trough and then it goes away and you forget that it never existed so in those situations where

you can't or it's not easy to have the windows up and and you know you don't want to have to do the one-handed drag and move and like you know command tab that's where yoink shines so i it was just a perfect opportunity to like explain what yoink does without being able to show you what yoink does so yeah yeah yeah anyway this.

And then you would go back, pull that bubble out, and you'd have your little block of text, and you would just drop it where you wanted it. And I don't know why that never made it to any of the operating systems. I think that would just be a convenient little way to do that. It would just stick it to the side of the screen. You'd literally drag it over and it would just stick there, just like your little trough analogy. I guess we have third-party apps for that.

It's a new row in the options of the menu so in the screenshot app you can choose that as an option choose how much brightness and color to capture uh below options oh how i'm trying to read this and i don't understand the uh you

quality. So I guess you can kind to mess around with the quality. However, there's no options for using HEIF on non-HDR monitors, on HDR incompatible Macs, or more likely basic displays. So no disk saving is possible via the HEIF format. It's a common case. Yet there is a 2017 terminal command that it looks like allows you to, I guess, force HEIC screen capture.

And I'm sure we'll have this in the show notes. I'm not going to read it out because it'd be boring um he said reddit saved the day on that one uh and i've already taken thousands of screenshots and embedded them into docs thanks for the show so you can move to heic format for your screenshots

Yeah, it looks like we're coming back. Is everybody back?

I went and we all just lost our connection to StreamYard temporarily. This is at 10, 18 Eastern on Friday, the 26th. I'm logging this because I also could not connect to our Google doc that we use for the agenda because I was going to put a timestamp in there in case I needed to edit. You know, like if there was if it was I'm not going to edit this. This was only, you know, less than 30 seconds. But if it was, you know, five minutes of like, hey, Dave spinning his wheels, that's not interesting.

So I was going to cut that out. but stream yard and google docs a are two different browsers for me and in theory two different, endpoints but clearly not two different endpoints because i think somebody's endpoint went belly up for a hot minute so i.

it and that terminal command he found was posted in 2017 so obviously it existed back then uh you can also if you don't want to mess with the terminal command which we will put in the show notes it's copy paste uh you can do it, in onyx and there is a new version of onyx for mac os 2026 or

mac os 26 so um yeah yeah but uh but yeah it's all there um and i i just did it on i'm i haven't updated to 26 on the studio machine um for because it's my studio machine and i i will wait until probably december to do that, But I just did it here in the studio on Mac OS 15.7 or whatever it is that I'm on, which I think is right, 15.7. Yeah, yeah.

i well actually this is good to talk about. If you were on the betas of any of the Apple OS 26, right, the day that the releases came out. Even if you were fully up to date with the betas, developer or public beta, certainly developer beta in my case, if you turned off developer beta, you were offered the upgrade to 26, the release channel of 26.

That's new. That has not happened in years past. I've always just switched over, and then I don't get offered an update until there's a .01 on the public channel or whatever. So I did. I moved over. There are some quirks with Mac OS 26 that we're going to talk about here in a little bit and quirks with iOS 26. And my son has not moved his phone off of the developer beta channel. And he gets access to those bug fixes before I do.

So i'm wondering if if it's worth staying on the developer channel until like october or november when things settle in because right now all apple is doing is fixing bugs like they're not adding new features it's not like it's not like the early days of the developer beta where it was way more way less stable now it's way potentially way more stable because you're getting access to those bug fixes sooner i think that's that's the the the you know the logic argument that i'm making

here i'm not it it might prove out to be untrue mind you but uh i am tempted to go back to the dev beta for a couple of months until things are stable.

So it was ramping that up a lot. And then also I think it was probably struggling to get GPS as well. Because it seemed to get fine once I left Chicago. So I don't know.

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When I was in Canada, I used Mint Mobile, and Mint Mobile now has, as of, I don't know, about a year ago or so, has free, it's included, data roaming in Canada. So, great. You get three gigs free every month. And so it was like, great. We were going to be there for whatever, four days or something, five days.

And so we got there. and when we landed I went to use data and it didn't work I was like ah okay I got to turn on data roaming okay that makes sense so I turned on data roaming and then it lit up and I was great loved it I was still on iOS 18 at this point because I had chosen as I mentioned in the show that I didn't want to I wanted to wait until I was done with my summer travels to you know move to the beta so we got home i moved

to the beta that day like that night we've you know arrived home was like oh yeah it has a perfect time is sitting on the couch great so i did that.

And for about the next week mind you this is the first week that i'm running developer betas, i was having all kinds of cellular connectivity i noticed it especially when driving it was like apple maps was constantly telling me it had to use offline maps and i'm seeing myself connected and i know many of you have figured out what's going on here because i i connected these two things already in this little tip but i just assigned this to as a bug in you know apple maps on the new ios 26 and

my gosh they're going to need to fix this this is a disaster and for some reason i was like shoot but nobody else is reporting this that means i'm going to have to go in and reset network settings and there's a whole rigmarole of resetting network settings that you know you lose all your Wi-Fi passwords if you don't do it right and you get a turn off iCloud syncing and hold your mouth just right otherwise you know it's a big disaster.

And so I went at this after like a week, I went into cellular settings and I saw that data roaming was still turned on. Now, because I'm on Mint Mobile, it's a prepaid cell plan. And so data, if I'm roaming in the U.S. here, they don't charge me more. I just don't get to use the data. If I'm on a Mint capable tower, then it's good. But if I connected to somebody else's tower, I could have data if I were to have paid for it, but I did not. And so I get nothing.

Turning off data roaming solved my problems. So the moral of the story is if you turn on data roaming on your main plan when you travel, you almost always turn it on on eSIM plans, but that doesn't matter because they expire and they're gone. But if you turn it on in your main one when you travel, set yourself a reminder to turn it off when you get home.

Because otherwise, you're either going to pay more if you're on a plan like that, or you're not going to get service if you're on a plan like mine. So that's my story, and I'm sticking to it. But, yep, I got caught. Yipper.

This may hit you during the fulfillment stage or when you get the new phone and try to migrate from the old to the new. It will give you errors when it gets to confirming the e-SIM on the new phone when migrating from an old phone.

I mean, I guess getting caught with a bug is getting caught. I have several people in my life that don't use iPhones. Many bandmates, in fact. And so I have individual messages with them and group messages. On my iPhone, it's all working fine. On my Mac, receiving messages via RCS or SMS, totally fine.

Sending messages via rcs or sms it appears as though it works on the mac the message never appears in that chat on my iphone or any other devices nor does it make it to its intended recipients uh i have been messing with this for the last few days and it seems like messages in icloud is part of the is where the problem exists if i turn off messages in icloud on my mac, then i can send those messages and then if i turn it back on it seems like it works but i'm not convinced that that that

fix will persist but the whole messages and icloud syncing thing it seems to be part of where this is breaking um and it is only mac os 26 that appears to be affected my group text when i use them on my mac os 8 sorry my mac os 15 machine here.

Work fine you know that even though my phone is on ios 26 so i don't think it's an ios 26 bug i think it's a mac os 26 bug so i share just be aware and and toggling that enable messages in cloud on your mac uh seems to fix it at least temporarily can't promise but yep uh mac.

MacOS 26 according to our friends at rogue amoeba has a bunch of audio related bugs um they've got a they've got a um a knowledge base article out about it and uh oh well i thought they did oh i see i i have the url wrong guys that's why i can't show it on the show now i can uh there's there's some audio loss that happens when sample rates are mismatched uh and it's specific it's specifically easy for me to say affects sound source because sound source will if you want let you send audio

to multiple devices simultaneously which can be very cool but if they are not all matched with sample rate one or more of them may not receive sound um and that's new as of tahoe i'm not convinced it's a bad thing but i'm actually not convinced it's a long-term bad thing because sample rate conversions when they happen in software cause all kinds of weird glitchy sound things when we've had weird glitchy sound things on the show in the past that's like right that's

the first thing i go to so if mac os is being more protective of allowing of or not allowing that scenario to exist i'm not i'm not upset by that. Um i i'm not certain that that's what's going on here though right like you know i'm projecting maybe my wishes um that that core audio is is more stable in mac os 26 so it might that might truly be the case i should actually ask i'll share this this conversation with rob and me but but.

you new iphone owners out there and i actually had to go like i saw this and i had to research this because this is unbelievable to me like i don't understand the thinking behind this one but he says hey guys just a quick tip i got my new copper orange iPhone 17 Pro ordered. And also ordered Apple's clear case for the thing and was highly disappointed.

The clear case covers about two thirds of the back of the phone with a white label of some sort so that the Apple logo shows up almost complete, so that the Apple shows up almost completely obscuring the orange color that you bought the phone for. So short version, do not buy Apple's clear case. Yeah, they like cover, they cover the orange color,

that turns out also to be a good don't get caught answer. So he writes in, I have this folder on my desktop. I have had this folder on my desktop since 2021. I just went to get something and the content of many of them is zero bytes. Where can they go? So I do sync this desktop with my Mac at home. This one is at work. Pretty sure I have the desktop setup. Boy, new lips this week. To set up the sync. Where do I check? Thank you, Mark.

That's why it was a don't get caught. You just, I think you just missed up in the text chain that he found the solution. So Mark should get caught for this, not me. No, it's totally fine. It's in your users folder. So your home folder rather, you know, so for me, my username, my short username is Dave. So it's users Dave. And then right there at the top of my home folder is iCloud Drive Archive. So they are moving these things.

Previously, they would put these things in the iCloud Drive, and now they are out of the drive and in your iCloud Drive Archive. Because I think people were getting confused seeing multiple desktop folders and multiple documents folders inside their desktop folders and inside their documents folders. Pete, yeah, you caused a lot of grief for yourself. I did.

So love that. but we're and and kiwi gram uh asks offers a clarifying comment in the chat which is helpful after the way this one evolved here on the show he says just to be clear we're talking about the archive folders that are created when you switch icloud drive on again or off when you switch it off and then turn it on again yes and that is a hundred percent correct when you you start getting into that scenario where icloud drive

is turning on or off which sometimes you have to do for troubleshooting now that's what we're talking about here yes thank you kiwi grant for the uh for the the clarification love that uh i got

caught again guys i broke this well it's the sacred timeline problem right we recorded up until today is the first time we're like back in what i consider a normal schedule uh but we had recorded some episodes out of sync and out of order and early because of my i think it was just my travels but maybe it was maybe it was i was traveling that's right it was that's right yeah both of us had travels that caused the schedules and then also apple dropped the you know iphones in the

middle and we didn't want to wait our reactions to that by two weeks or something. So it all got a little crazy. And I left the episode for Monday's episode last Monday's 11 0 8, uh. As a draft in Apple podcasts, not as published in Apple podcasts and Apple podcasts is a little bit dumb. You know, we put the audio in there ahead of time. I didn't want it to be there too early. So I, I didn't turn it on when we recorded it a week and a half before that. I forgot to go back in.

And then when the episode actually dropped in the RSS feed, Apple's podcast isn't smart enough to just let that go. So it remained in draft. Thank you to Jessica and Ben and Bill and everybody else that like waved as many flags as you possibly could for us contacting us in all the ways you knew how to make sure that we knew that it was out in everything except Apple Podcasts. And I mean, I think we were delayed by about 10 hours, which is not great.

I don't. But, you know, could have been it would have been longer because I was traveling when when that episode was supposed to drop. And for me, it worked. So when I tested it because I was testing an overcast. So yipper. Oh, don't. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But we've we've kind of ventured into questions territory here ish. So let's have let's. Let's keep going with that until we run out of time, shall we?

What should I use as format to maximize file access and speed? Thanks, Louis from Montreal.

That i miss those mac tech conferences it's so nerdy somebody proved that it was like apfs was like one percent slower than hfs plus on even on ssds uh but but it was it was remarkably slower on on rotational drives than hfs plus because it was built for ssds and and you know it it leverages a lot of the benefits of ssds with the expense of okay well if you got to move heads around then this is going to be you know maybe not the

greatest but so i think that might be what lewis or louis i can't remember he i think he's told us the pronunciation of his name over the years it might actually be lewis from montreal i know i i want to say louis too but um when.

It's all SSD these days. It's all plastics these days, kids. All right.

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And this part did get sort of glossed over, is that I figure out where the syncing engine, i try to figure out where the syncing engine looks as a source of truth um and with icloud specifically we get access to that source of truth at icloud.com slash drive um so to me that's where i look and it's like okay if i'm putting something uh on my mac does it appear in the web interface of icloud drive and if i put something in the web interface of icloud drive does it appear on my Mac.

And it is the same true for my iPhone and my iPad and my other Mac, right? You know, so that is the way it's, it's a one, you know, one variable at a time and checking each direction. And sometimes when it's when, okay, so now we know how to identify a problem. How do we correct it?

Sometimes the process of identifying it, meaning that process, not a process but that specific process of identifying it will then also get it unstuck because adding something new often is what needs to happen because indexes you know of any one of these clients might think oh i'm all up to date i don't need anything more because it's just you know it's it's most recent file is it thinks the same as the most recent file on the on the on the server or whatever and and it's

not and so putting a new most recent file on the server says oh i have things to go get and then it just goes through its sync process and gets everything hopefully, how about you adam yeah.

syncing and maybe a good way to try to fix it is yeah put a new file on or make a change there and then wait make sure it syncs and then you might be going again obviously the the extreme part of that is once you've identified whichever thing is not like sinking, if you're making changes, and it's still not sinking, then, you know, often I find just toggling drive sync off and back on again we'll kind of get things going again

use ai for and we got uh some responses and i think this one happened in discord and there was a response to a response uh so we uh you want to take jk dawson's here and we'll we'll kind of go from there pete yeah great.

Guess what? I said, give it to me one step at a time. And it blurted out the whole damn thing. And then I was like, okay, stop. Go back to step one. Okay. And it gave me step one. I'm like, all right, I'm ready for step two. And it blurted out the whole thing. I was yelling at chat GPT like you wouldn't believe by the time it was over. Stop it. How many damn times do I have to tell you? One step at a time. I'm sorry. I'll let me give you one. Then it would give

me one step. And then the next on again

what it is but um but i i love this where you want to make some tweaks to a recipe you don't have to find the recipe first and make tweaks just tell chat gpt what you want that's brilliant love that yeah yeah.

I guess I shouldn't assume things, might have one that is kind of related to what you guys are talking about, not drinks. But it says, I've been using it to make weekly menu plans based on our criteria. Then once we settle on the menu, I have it create the ingredients list for all the recipes, combine them for a reasonable total quantities, and buy and build a grocery list by area, category, and a grocery store. I have it list list.

Next to the item, the amount needed for each recipe. So something like two 32-ounce cartons of chicken stock. This is really helping us as my wife did this for our family for 40 years, and she's tired of it. Yeah, I understand that. We're eating fairly badly. We were eating fairly badly for a bit until we worked this out. Much easier than creating this ourselves every week.

out in high school and we don't see each other very often. It's probably been about 10 years since we all got together and did this. We did it in San Francisco about 10 years ago. We did it in Chicago this time. And a couple friend of ours had been traveling and they said, you know, we used it for? We used it because we were going to be in a certain city in Europe in a day and they didn't know what to go see.

And they said, can you make us a itinerary for the day, including lunch and dinner plans and And what should we see in this city? And they said it was the best plan. And most importantly, it gave them this little lunch spot that they never would have found off the beaten path. And they said it was just fabulous. And it was a wonderful day. And they didn't have to think about it.

And they got to see things that they probably normally would not have seen if they'd just gone through a traditional route.

Because now you're training it to tailor things even better for you the next time when you come up because lisa and i have been doing this basically all summer uh with the various places that we've gone we haven't usually and i love the the fun part of before you go visit somewhere researching it and talking about the things you're going to do and even planning out your days you know you know to whatever extent you like to plan out your days we we kind of like half plans

for days you know but but whatever you know do we'll do what you want to do we had we just didn't haven't had time to do that uh as much as we normally would have and so we we will get to a city and be like all right well uh you know we're here for some concerts at night because that's the only reason we tend to travel anymore uh you know but what are we going to do during the day we don't want to exhaust ourselves but we don't just want to sit around either you

know and so it's this balance and we've been giving it feedback this past weekend we were in hampton virginia for some fish concerts and hampton is the town that time is forgetting it it's not like i don't recommend visiting there there's not a whole lot it's not a tourist town the venue's cool the hampton coliseum it's a very like it's a cool venue it sounds good it's it's fun easy to get out um but. But there's not much else to do, and we didn't rent a car.

And so we told ChatGPT this, and it made some recommendations. We got recommendations from other people, too, because we'd asked around. Those people are making recommendations about what they enjoyed and that's fine. Chat GPT is now learning what we enjoy and it prioritized some recommendations for us. And we did, we went and visited Fort Monroe, which is a national monument there. I don't know, about 15 minutes from Hampton, Virginia. We Ubered over and back and it was very cool.

Like we loved it. And it was the perfect little thing to do during the day. Then we went back and kind of napped in the afternoon and went to the concerts. But yeah, Yes, making your travel itinerary It's amazing For that And gets even better As you give it feedback on things So, yeah, Alright, I think it's that time Guys, I think we've hit our limit For the day It's time, It's that time I'll find the band Good news, the band still works I assume you

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