¶ Mac Geek Gab 1093 for Monday, June 9th, 2025
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And here in South Dakota, I'm Adam Christensen.
And here also in New Hampshire, it's Pilot Pete. Great to be with you guys.
I know. It's fun. I think we're going to have some fun.
It seems like forever since we had an extra three days betwixt our last.
It's true.
It's been a long time since we've recorded on a Monday and released on the same day. It's true. Right. Yep. um i i would like to start by talking about
¶ Liquid Glass
apple's new interface briefly um that they call liquid glass a because it is part and parcel of pretty much every part of of every operating system that apple announced and mainly because liquid glass has uh a ton of like more rounded it is built for devices with rounded corners uh which is and they made a that point several times it's like look you know we have all these interface elements that are that are uh rectangle
corners and built for devices that way, but our devices all have rounded corners now. And so Liquid Glass, among all the other things that it has, is built for devices with rounded corners. And as I sat there watching it, I thought, man, there is no better tribute to an Apple fellow who passed away last week, Bill Atkinson.
He was responsible for creating the round rect uh and i'll link to an article i think on andy hertzfeld's site uh but he at steve jobs insistence he built a way for the user interface on the original mac to very efficiently draw round rect rounded corners on rectangles uh and the article talks about how he did it with just subtraction so there didn't need to be lots of extra calculations happening uh but he bill atkinson also developed hypercard which uh
certainly showed us all how the uh world wide web would eventually work by linking things together and uh in addition to all that bill was a fantastic guy had the pleasure of meeting him several times and and would even have called him a, we were friendly with each other. I don't know if I would call us friends, but we'd gotten to a point where we were friendly with each other and he's a really nice guy. So a great, great guy. And what a, what a tribute.
I know it wasn't intended as a tribute to him because when they put the keynote together, they did not know that he had passed, but I thought it was a nice little reminder of Bill right there in the beginning of the, of the thing talking about liquid glass. So yeah.
It looks cool.
It does look cool.
I agree with that.
You know, yeah. And they said, the interesting thing they said was it's more intuitive throughout. I'm hoping that's the case because I've seen a lot of elderly folks struggle with iOS lately. And so I'm hoping it is more intuitive.
Interesting.
I hope they're right.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to say.
I mean, a two-year-old can turn it on. But if you're in your 70s or 80s, you could be in trouble.
Yeah. Yeah. I have not had an opportunity to put the beta on any of my devices yet. I'm sure I will pick one and do that. But yeah, it's – and I suppose it's worth talking about before we get into – I guess we're going to start with macOS here. The next thing we'll do is macOS. But we should talk about what devices all of the operating systems that are coming out, the 26 version, the version 26 operating system. So iOS is iPhone 11 and later.
And if you want Apple intelligence, you have to have a 15 Pro or later, which is the Pro Max, of course, all iPhone 16 models, the iPad mini with an A17 Pro and any iPad or Mac with an M1 or greater.
Is uh yeah is is is what that is what ios 26 is for ipad os 26 uh basically that yeah basically that um i'm just looking to see if there's anything else but yeah um so iphone 11 and later but if you want apple intelligence you've got to have the same basically the same thing is what you needed apple intelligence for in the in the previous ones so yeah yeah good cool anything to add to that adam
Nope i'm assuming the uh the article you're linking to is the folklore.org one it is.
I believe that's andy herzfeld's site
It is his site yeah yes there was also a podcast i was trying to find the episode i think it was a lot of the stuff was covered including an interview with, I think, with Bill Atkinson in the folk, is it folklore.org podcast?
Oh, maybe.
Mac Folklore Radio is the podcast, yeah.
All right, yeah. We'll link to that too, yeah.
I thought they had done an episode that was, because they did do a few episodes where they just basically read things from folklore.org, and I was trying to find the rounded rectangle one, but I can't find it right now. Okay, all right. I think it does exist. But definitely in 2018 or 2019, they did an interview with bill atkinson about him joining apple computer on the his 40th anniversary.
Amazing at apple yeah yeah yeah yeah crazy that's yeah he really he yeah he's an interesting guy right we could probably do a whole episode hypercard hypercard it's saint or more right like yeah it's crazy well all right shall we uh shall we talk about mac os is it time to talk about mac os
¶ macOS 26 “Tahoe”
26 tahoe uh with that name does it mean that mac os 26 because it's mac os tahoe uh it's only half californian oh
There you go that's right the state line runs straight through that
Lake it does well and
They only half cut out the intel machines
This is the last version that will run on intel max uh and not all of them right yeah basically your
Mileage may vary
Yeah basically uh mac observer actually did a great article on that uh but it's basically 2020 or newer except the 16-inch MacBook Pro is 2019 or newer, and the Mac Pro is 2019 or newer. Otherwise, it's 2020 or newer on everything else.
Did you slide under that wire? I made the cut. Did you limbo under that wire?
You made the cut. All right, man. That's good.
I have a 2016 or 2019 16-inch MacBook Pro, baby.
There you go. Well, that's it then.
Yeah, great. Don't have to buy an M-Series this year.
Made it under the wire
That's great that's yeah that's that's um but
They couldn't call it mac os 26 come on man i'm still gonna not
Know it is called mac os 26 it
Is absolutely they still called.
It tahoe okay all right
Yeah this has a name all right.
Yeah why why they yeah why they still they
Didn't because they didn't want to fire the marketing team jesus.
I i did love what
They going to do.
I did love how federighi said something along the lines of and the crack marketing team was sure they had earned their annual paycheck which was which i i loved i thought that was great yeah
Yeah if they stopped that pete they'd have to fire a whole marketing team.
A whole marketing team that's right yeah yeah they'd
Be all out of a job.
Yeah well
They They have one job every year.
Yeah.
And his hairstylist, they get that one paycheck.
Yeah, the one paycheck. Yeah, exactly. All right. The thing I want to talk about in Mac OS 26, there's several things.
Polar folders with emoji. Woo-hoo.
Well, Spotlight gets a huge upgrade here. The fact that they put this in like the third quarter of the sleep section of the keynote where everybody was like needing to like, you know, get distracted and check their messages and do all the other things. It boggles my mind because they added a clipboard history to Spotlight. Hello? Like, we've wanted this for so long. It's ridiculous. But there it is. It's just right there.
And the shortcuts, the user configurable shortcuts that you can add to Spotlight, making it essentially a launcher. And when I say shortcuts, if you missed it, because it was very quickly glossed over where... You bring up Spotlight, Command, Spacebar, and then you can – there are some system pre-configured shortcuts, and then there are some that you just type. And they're literally – you just type a couple of characters, and it will do a thing for you.
Like I'm looking at SM to send a message or AR to add a reminder. But you can create your own shortcuts in the Shortcuts app that you then set a keystroke for, and you can run your own things from there, too.
I'm trying to remember the name of that third-party launcher that we all used. Alfred.
Find any file.
Alfred, yes. Oh, Alfred. It's much more like Alfred.
Yes.
Now, yeah, absolutely.
Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry.
The other thing I thought it was going to deprecate is the find any file. Wow. It seems so much more powerful and it's filter, you know, it has filters and projections based on, I mean.
I appreciate your optimism, Pete. Okay.
I'll take that.
I'll believe it when I see it. Fair enough. Yeah. Right. Only because.
It'll be as good as AI. Well. It was announced to be last year.
No, but see, I think find any file has a different purpose because Spotlight is meant to intelligently filter a lot of things out and surface what it thinks you want. And that's fine, but at times, you know what you want and you want to be able to tell the system, go find this. And that, I think, is where find any file currently shines and will continue.
Continues to shine, sure.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, they did add the context of just being within files, which is kind of nice.
Yes.
Right? So within Spotlight, you can make sure what you're spotlighting for is just within files. Very much more easily now right yeah yep.
It they they i think the words they use it you can filter uh the results and manipulate those results further with words yes yeah so yeah that's that's why i like that but but i mean even some of the cool stuff go hey background removal you're working on it's like oh
Oh when you're in pictures you mean like
Well he was using that he was doing that in spotlight so he grabbed that picture he threw it into a document and then went oh background removal and it was it worked right on the photo that he just put
In so what pete's referring to i needed to sorry let me translate this for people um
Because i know what i meant yeah
What spotlight adds that was a that was them showcasing a pages function so you could have done that by clicking on the picture and pages and finding the menu bar item that has that what But Spotlight now, in addition to the things we've mentioned, what Spotlight also does is it lets you, instead of using the help menu to find a menu bar item, Spotlight will find that menu bar item. So Spotlight was not doing the picture removal.
Spotlight was just finding your menu bar item. But it is nice to have it all in one spot.
Yeah. Yeah, and apparently, I mean, that's going to be for, I think, definitely all of Apple's apps. I'm assuming there's something they surface for developers to allow them to tap into that as well. So the point is, it's a context. So when you're in the app, if you activate Spotlight, it will result menu items, basically, menu options or features within the app. So you don't have to go digging through the menu system.
So if you don't remember where a particular thing is, or you don't remember the command for it, you could use Spotlight. And contextually, whatever app you're in, it's going to factor that into the Spotlight results. basically, is what it comes to. And probably surf is, I would assume surf is it higher in the results.
Because it's in that app.
You're in that app. Yeah, like I'm in pages right now. So I'm going to show you pages commands before I show you, say, Safari search results.
Right?
Right. Right. Yeah. Another thing that I really like, we mentioned shortcuts, is that shortcuts now gets triggers for, you know, time of day. You know when you add a one example they shared was when you add a file to a folder you can have it trigger a shortcut so folder actions comes back now you don't maybe Hazel got Sherlocked in a sense right like
Um, also within the intelligence stuff, if I, if I'm remembering, right, right. You have the, now the ability to do the, I forget, I can't remember what Apple calls the on device stuff of Apple AI, but then there's also the private cloud compute.
Yes.
But more importantly, you can also select chat GPT.
In a shortcut to use. Yes. Yep. Yep. Yep. I know it's, it's, it's, there's a lot of things. And this is why I was surprised that they buried macOS where they did. Now, I realize they have a lot more people using iOS than they do macOS, and that's likely why. The whole liquid glass thing to me, I feel like it's going to take some getting used to, especially in macOS. The idea of a translucent menu bar, like there is no menu bar. There are just menus that float atop the screen.
I don't know how I feel about that. I was going to say I will have an open mind about it. I'm forced to have an open mind about it if I want to run the operating system. Although it does open up an opportunity for either a developer to create the thing that adds whatever you want behind the menu bar. Or create a background picture and put your own thing at the top of the screen, a bar across. And there you go. There's your menu bar. Get it back. But yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, it's... Go ahead, Adam.
Now I'm just remembering, didn't Windows try something like this?
Yes.
With Windows glass? How did that go for them?
Yeah. Yeah. Not as well. Not as well as you would think.
Was that Vista? Yeah.
I think it was Vista,
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, they've done some interesting things. It was the most interesting thing to me... And I'm assuming this wasn't done just for the Worldwide Developer Conference demo. But when they were presenting that part of it, right, they were in presumably what was supposed to be Apple's UI, UX, you know, lab or area inside Apple Park. And did you notice they had literal physical representations of like everything that is in the UI?
They like literally had, i don't know if they were pieces of lucite or plastic or actual glass and then they had os, representations and they actually had physical objects that they could move around presumably i would think to see how the translucency worked how the light refractions worked and all that sort of stuff so i don't know if that was dog and pony show or if that's like literally how they were no i i developing the the os i.
Know it it i i grabbed a screenshot of that when they showed it because it was it blew me away and i was planning in fact unless we come up with something better it was what i was planning on using is the episode image for this one because they had like a little hello floating in the middle of the table we're not floating sitting on the middle of the table but it's all glass yeah it's pretty crazy yeah i know but what better way to learn how glass reacts when you put it over things than
to put it over glass over things i mean like why not why why guess at this like you literally it's really not that difficult to do so yeah yeah no i i i thought that was pretty good
Yeah so i think that's the difference with the windows stuff is that you know the windows stuff was very much digital and you know what was beautiful about this that i really appreciated was that it has the substance to it it has sort of a thickness to it even though you're basically viewing it in two dimensions most of the time you know unless you're doing some of the 3d optical you know like tilt sort of stuff but especially like
when you had content going under the elements how it reacted in terms of it wasn't just like the the blurred out translucency it's the warp they've got the more clear glass warping effect that glass puts on objects. And it looked beautifully done, at least in the demos. So I can appreciate that.
Yeah. One of the things they did with icons, and I think this, again, transcends all the operating systems or at least most of them, is you get light mode, dark mode, you get tinted mode. There's another.
Tinted mode, yep.
Tinted mode. And then also clear mode. And I love... I love that they did that. I don't know if it's something, I feel like it has limited utility. Yes. But maybe there are times, like maybe doing a presentation tinted mode might be really helpful because you're not drawing, there is no color in the user interface elements to draw your attention away from the thing that you want to show to people. But it seemed odd to me. Like, why did they spend time on this?
And my guess is that clear mode was a precursor to tinted mode, right? We need to get it clear so that we can tint it however we want. And maybe somebody said, sure, let's roll this out because one person liked it on the team or something.
You know what a nice evolution of this, I think, would be is a focus mode or a focused working mode where only the front most element you can choose at any given point where only the front most element is in like regular mode and everything else in the background is in this glass mode or whatever they call it. Right yeah so everything else just fades to the back but it's still visible and readable it's kind of ghost this ghostly image but you know your front most window is full imagine.
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¶ iPadOS 26
Windows? Did you say Windows earlier?
Windows.
Because iPadOS gets Windows.
Yeah.
And a menu bar.
And a menu bar. Yeah. And the stoplights.
Yeah.
There's less and less difference between iPad OS and Mac OS now. And I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.
No, it's good.
I think it's great.
Yeah.
I'm excited for that because there are times when I want to just have an iPad with me and I'd have to own my laptop.
It did make me stop and think to myself, where is my iPad?
Oh that's interesting i
Haven't picked up my ipad in so.
Long huh huh yeah interesting yeah yeah the um you mentioned the files app when we were talking about uh you know well the various different things that gets a huge to me a huge expansion in ipad os now i i mean it you know you get list view with resizable columns you can set a default app for opening up files yeah folders
Almost like mac os.
Folders can be added to the dock yeah exactly like yeah what are we saying that's not coming over from mac os an audio input selector so you can choose which microphone you want to use for any given app i
Was excited as a podcaster.
The local
Audio and video capture feature.
Yeah and i was surprised when they said that that was usable not just in facetime but in zoom and in teams and in meet yeah yeah yeah
And it will record just your audio.
And video right
Yeah i think both yeah for each for each participant and then you can share it and you hold do the whole old school double ender thing and produce your show with the best quality audio.
Yeah yeah i like it and and
They claimed voice voice isolation so i'm assuming some good some good smart audio uh
It's the same smart audio they have on the mac i don't yeah
But as opposed to it's not on the ipad right now
No that's true it's it came from iphone the one that we have on the mac started with iphone the sound isolation and then it was expanded to mac you're right and now and now ipad gets it um it's not the greatest but it's fine it's a nice step i i mean i want more i always want more right I want, I, well, I want core audio to be addressable by third party apps on iPad. We did not get that today, but you know, we got to step in that direction. So that's fine. That's fine.
Preview app on iPad.
Right.
Yes, that's right. Yeah. So better file manipulation. Yeah. Being able to set default apps and.
Sign documents.
Yeah.
Yeah, without having to use a third party utility. Right. Yeah. I also found it really interesting that they are now allowing apps to essentially register. Like register. Developers can, when they write their app, can register it to be an app that has operations that can and should continue running in the background on iPad when you move to another app.
Yeah, background tasks.
Yeah, background tasks, which has been an issue on both iOS and iPadOS for a very long time. If it needed to do something, you couldn't shift out of that app. Otherwise, it would just, you know, would put it put the app to sleep. And then that was the end of that. So, yeah.
Yeah. I mean, I think they're realizing more and more people are using these for content production. So if you need to do a large encoding or something like that, right, you can kick that off in the background. Go do other stuff. Answer emails. Browse the web. Do the other things you want to do. What's nice is they're also leveraging. What are they called? what's the active so you can see you know up in the menu bar that it's actively processing oh.
Like dynamic island kind of stuff or whatever
They call that feature i can't remember you know where you can get instant updates from apps on like what they're doing i think it's live updates right live updates yeah yeah exactly so the same thing you would get for sports scores or you're waiting for your uber or your plane you know updates for your flight and all that stuff I think it's levering the same stuff to display where the background task is processing at. So very cool stuff.
I agree. Live translation is something that I think will be one of those sleeper features for a lot of people not realizing how valuable that's going to be. And it's doing this live translation that they've added. You know, it's everywhere. It's not it's not just in messages, but it's in messages. It's not just in the phone app, but it is in the phone app. And it works with people who aren't on an iPhone by using the voice to translate what you've said into whatever their language is.
And then, of course, vice versa. I like. Using that, not just with another person sharing the same physical space as you, but using it, you know, to text with people or to talk with people, like, that's one of those things that makes the world smaller. And I love that. Right.
Yeah. I mean, I have a friend whose grandparents are German and they don't speak English and he doesn't speak German. And I mean, what a wonderful thing that'll be. don't have to have mom or dad there to
Translate exactly yeah you can have a conversation without a translator i mean yeah that's really interesting yeah i think you're
Right i think that'll be a sleeper app in in how it really makes the world even smaller
Yeah that's going to be something else i'm i'm eager yeah go ahead adam
What i'm wondering is is will you be able to select, because i did the whole personal voice thing which is part of accessibility, but it's not part of like siri like i've often wished that i could use my personal voice for siri i wonder if you will be able to use your personal voice for this, because you know when it translates across it uses the voice technology i'm assuming it's leveraging the accessibility voice technology
to like answer the other person right in their language so it'd be really cool if it would let you use your personal voice versus just you know the standard apple voices yeah.
I wonder what that would be like i mean it it's sampling presumably when you sampled your voice adam it was in english
It was right.
And so how would it do making you with that voice speak spanish or or german or or you know korean like i like i wonder what that would be like yeah
My thought would be it should have tone inflection pace all those sorts of data and then you layer ai on top of that it should be able to do a relatively good, I would think, adaptation from one language to another.
I know right now there are AI technologies that are using, and it sounds to me like it's trying to at least mimic the voice, but a few shows and podcasts I've seen have used a voice technology for foreign video to overlay a translation of someone speaking in a foreign language, and now they're speaking in English and the AI even goes in and I think, manipulates the lip movements with the video to try to match that sort of stuff and it does a pretty good job.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder, can that be done on device? Like is Apple stuff good enough to do that on device? I don't know.
I don't know. Be cool. If it was, it would.
Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Uh, we're going to need to talk about, um, Apple intelligence and, and the things that they said and didn't say about that. Aren't we?
Uh, absolutely.
What didn't they say?
They said some interesting things. We also have, of course, iOS 26, some very cool things in Xcode 26 to talk about that I think are good for us to know about, even if we're not the ones writing the software. So, yeah, we have all of that and more. The next thing that I want to do is I want to talk about our next sponsor. Because, all right, look, I was having trouble sleeping last week,
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¶ Apple Intelligence
All right, Adam, dealer's choice. Are we talking about iOS 26 next or Apple Intelligence next?
I think we should dive into Apple Intelligence because, I mean, it's going to go across everything else we talk about.
I agree. All right, go.
Yeah. This is the Apple you had one job. the number one thing i wanted to hear about and see about was massive improvements to apple intelligence um i don't think we got that we got a bunch of interesting little things, um so that was a little bit disappointing to me i wanted to see leaps and bounds made because i think that's what they need at this point they just feel so far behind everybody else and I get a lot of the reasons for it.
But yeah, I don't know. I mean, some of the image stuff was kind of interesting and exciting. I'm trying to think of what the best Apple intelligence feature I saw was. And I mean, it goes to what I'm talking about is I can't think of the one thing that was like, oh, that's going to blow me away in terms of Apple intelligence.
I think, I don't think there was one, Adam. Well, actually, that's not true. I might have one. But certainly when they started the keynote and got into the Apple intelligence section fairly early, Craig Federighi said this work needed more time to reach our high quality bar. Which to me was we're going to be punting on this uh today because last year we bit off more than clearly we were able to chew right last
Year we kicked one into the stands instead of through the goalposts
Exactly here's
Here's the other half of that equation, Throughout the keynote, what I kept seeing was more and more and more chat GPT integration, which says to me, this is our Band-Aid because we can't get our crap together. And I'm sorry to say it that way, but we can't make this work, so we're going to get a Band-Aid the hell out of it until we can.
Yep. Yep. I don't disagree with you. I think that was exactly what they're doing. But I also think it's exactly what I think it's the best thing they could be doing because Apple, you know, they they they set up the criteria, right? The we need it to be, you know, fast on device, all encompassing, like all the things. And they have yet to be able to deliver on this. I mean, it's like air power all over again. Right. They describe this amazing product that we all wondered, how can that exist?
And it turns out, I don't know that they had all the criteria laid out. What we assumed last year was that they had a vision on what the end result of this would look like. I haven't seen that. I don't have a vision on what the end result of that would look like. And that's a because I'm probably not smart enough to come up with it. In fact, let's take probably out of that. If I was smart enough to come up with it, I would have. I'm not.
But I'm not convinced anyone at Apple has been able to come up with that either. So it's really hard to steer the ship towards something when you don't know what something is. You're just kind of steering aimlessly. And I say this as someone who's been running businesses for a long time.
If I, if I know where we're going, even if that's not where we actually get, but if I, if I have an idea in my head, like that's where we're going, it's way easier to kind of backtrack and say, okay, how do we get there? Yeah. We might take some, some detours and what do we call them in business pivots along the way. Right.
But at least we had a, you know, we had our eyes on the prize i don't think there's any prize to put their eyes on so punting if you will and going to apple intelligence going to chat gpt with apple intelligence why not like it doesn't it doesn't happen on device it doesn't maintain privacy in the level that and way that apple would but at least it gets you the things that you as a user would want
I don't
Know go ahead some.
Of it's incrementally coming in though too and that and you know it's like watching your kids grow up i mean lucas is over six feet tall right yeah but he's kind of always been that way no wait a minute he was he was a little guy but you lived with him every day and so it was and they're incrementally getting this stuff in there so i think there's some more in there are they yeah for example they said you know in message or in you get a reminder that says hey
happy birthday to grandpa facetime him
That's not apple intelligence that's like no run a search on my guy like
No a reminder i could be wrong i my my impression was when they ran this in the keynote it was like you know hey uh you get your reminder pops up says hey Say happy birthday to grandpa. All you have to do is say FaceTime him. And it knows that's who and who grandpa is and goes to FaceTime. Is that AI? Is that Apple intelligence? No, but it's a little bit. And they're sliding those in incrementally, I think. And so some of it's getting there. And I'm not trying to look.
I'm not trying to be a fanboy and give them too much credit. Because clearly they are way, way behind the competition on this. And that needs to get fixed. And they've got the resources to fix it. So I'm hoping they'll get after it. But I also think there's been a lot of improvements that we kind of, they've just kind of come along and we're like, oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, it works that way.
So Dave, here's a goal. I have a goal. I have a goal.
Great.
How about image playground that can generate images at least as good as ChatGPT 1.0 or whatever their image thing was called. I can't remember.
You talking about Dolly?
At least as good as Dolly 1.0 or Dolly Beta.
Yeah.
Like, I mean, there's a goal for you. Like, it's terrible.
It is dead awful.
I'm sorry. It just does, you ask it to do things and it like basically takes two emoji and squishes them together and you're like, oh, that's really cool. Yeah. It's not. Like, if I tell you to generate an image with this, that, and the other, generate an image with this, that, and the other and show it to me. That'd be cool.
One thing, to your point, Pete. Sorry, I'm not
Trying to bash on them either.
No, but to your point, Pete, one thing that does feel like, if not an incremental
¶ Visual Intelligence
enhancement, it is certainly an incremental enhancement. Uh feature that allows you to access this stuff in a different way is the visual intelligence that's been added to the screenshot functionality in on ios uh where you do the normal thing that you would to take a screenshot and then you can uh you can take highlight
A lamp is what he did on the
Yeah those visual yeah those visual elements there are then you're able to identify them and use them in different ways and developers can using what apple calls app intense which is something that's existed for a little while and is the path that allows apple intelligence and apps one of the paths that allows apple intelligence and apps to sort of or apps to expose themselves to to apple intelligence and you can you can set up
app intense so that you know the example they showed was that you know you found a lamp and you wanted to search for it and etsy showed up Well, that's not just magically happening. That's because Etsy has been developed to allow you to do an image search inside Etsy from that screen. But like to the user, it feels all very seamless. And so there's a little bit of Apple intelligence.
There is, you know, a portion of Apple intelligence being used there and linking it with apps that have exposed themselves to it in that way. So, like, to me, that is a great use of Apple intelligence and really Xcode with Swift Assist. What they've done in Xcode is they've got this thing called Swift Assist,
¶ Xcode 26
which allows you to use generative AI to write code. And though they didn't ever say the term of vibe coding, they at one point deep into the State of the Union, one of the people describing it said, you know, as they were sort of referencing back to it, they're like, yeah, and you could just, you know, get your swift assist vibe on. And it was like, OK, that's that's there it is. Right. That's that's the dog whistle to all the vibe coders out there.
They're not going to say it, but they're going to acknowledge that that's exactly what this is. And it was it. It's not using Apple intelligence or it's not using on device stuff. It is linking out by default to chat GPT.
And or claude you can link it to others you know it's got anthropic in there i don't know if it has perplexity but anthropic would be the one with claude to use and xcode exposes the parts of your code with your permission to whatever generative ai model you've chosen chat gpt by default and it It's very cool the way that it's able to create code and show you what it's created. It almost red lines your files for you.
So you see what it's adding and you can go steps deep and interacting with it and say, okay, now add this, now do that. Here's a picture of what I want this screen element to look like, like a hand-drawn picture that you took with your iPhone and it will code up the user interface to make your data look like that. Like that part's really cool. They are not the first company to do this, but it's great that it's in Xcode now.
Uh, and then you can roll back. It has, you can say, okay, you know what, where we are here is not where I wanted to be. I want to go back eight steps and take a different path. And you can, you can rewind eight steps and, and, you know, to where you wanted to be. okay this is where we are great that for coding is freaking huge now again and
It's cool i can't imagine how hard that is because i'm not a coder but i know just enough about it to go oh man oh
I i've i've done some coding this way and adam you and i earlier this week we're talking about you know doing some coding that way and not next code because we didn't have that yet but uh but But it's fantastic to be able to say, wait a minute, let me describe this. You come up with the code. And then as the programmer, you get to look at that code and say, okay, let me make some changes to this. Let me modify it. And it sees what changes you've made, and it catches up with you.
So that part, again, I'm calling it Apple intelligence, but really it's kind of like Copilot or any of the others that exist out there.
It's Swift Assist.
Well, it's co-coding, which is something developers have been doing for a while now, especially with remote work and stuff like that. I work remotely. And a common thing we would do is when you're on a project and you get stuck, you jump on a Zoom call and you screen share and you talk to another developer and you're like, I'm trying to work through this thing and I'm hitting this problem here. How would you solve this? And now you do that with an AI.
You know, it's like, hey, I'm stuck on this part. I'm not really sure where to go. How do I do A, B, and C? You know, I'm trying to get here. You give it your destination. And it's like, okay, well, here you go. Here's some recommendations.
Here's an idea.
A code snippet. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And then you go, oh, yeah, that'll work. And then that might actually trigger another idea. You're like, well, that's good, but what if we did it this way? Oh, yeah, here's another way to do it. And you get the creative. It helps you work through blocks. And same way AI would help, I think, writers in a lot of cases. You get writer's block or you get stuck on something. You're like, hey, I have this idea and concept. I'm not really sure how to get started.
Give me some ideas or give me some prompts or give me a recommendation, you know, it's like that sort of thing. So hugely helpful. But again, you know, it's like Apple has hired. What frustrates me about this is Apple has hired, as far as I know from all the reports I've read, like some of the top minds in the generative AI, AI, large language model, like industry, right?
Yep.
Machine learning, like top, top people. And I know they're, I know they're doing great work. I know like we, and I, it's just, you want to see it. And then you hear about this thing. And like you said, they're using outside models. They're not using Apple technology yet. So I don't know if it's just that their bar is just really that high or they're just struggling with it or whatever it is, but I want to see it someday.
Do you have something to add to that, Pete?
Well, I've actually got a question because I was not at a point where I could take notes during State of the Union when I heard this. And I think you could be able to answer it, Dave, is they said something about github.com slash SwiftLang. So they're partnering with them for a bunch of repositories for SwiftLang?
Uh, yes. And they have been for a long time, I think. I mean, yeah. Cause Swift has been a public, I mean, they open sourced all of this stuff early, early on. So yes, that that's all still out there. Um, at, at,
It sounded like they have new repositories or something that are going to be now available.
Probably.
Maybe I missed that.
Yeah, no, you're, you're probably right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not seeing anything. You know, I see this may not
Be live yet.
Yeah. I mean, I see some stuff.
And I went through that and I'm seeing the same thing you are.
Well, but I see things that were updated hours and even minutes ago. So, yeah, they're adding things to this. But, yeah, I mean, it's great to see that Xcode has gotten this, but it's not Apple intelligence that Xcode has gotten in this regard. It's just access to ChatGPT or Claude or whatever. But, you know, one example I loved was it, you know, the compiler identified a bug and you click on the thing next to the bug and it offers like, well, I think this is the way you want to fix this bug.
Like you said, what a great way to co-code with the LLM, right? As opposed to, especially if it's three in the morning, you know, you and I co-code on some of our stuff. Often, I would prefer not to be woken up at 3 a.m. just so we can spend 10 minutes talking through a bug. But, you know, so.
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¶ iOS 26
it's ios 26 time uh yeah adam you you have any you want to start with uh ios 26
Um sure i'll try uh i think, the thing that probably most excited me about ios 26 believe it or not was a lot of the phone stuff And I never thought I'd be excited about the phone app. Like, specifically... The whole call waiting feature that they have. So if you make a phone call, right, and you're waiting on hold, the hold feature.
Hold assist, I think they call it.
Hold assist, yeah. Yeah, so it'll detect that they have the hold music going and it'll say, hey, do you want to go do something else? I'll hang on the line for you and wait for this representative to show up in an hour and a half and you go do whatever you want and then I'll let you know when they're here. And yeah, so then you can tap that button. It'll maintain your call. You can go do whatever you want. You don't even have to stay on the phone.
When the representative comes back online, the phone will say, hey, all right, hold on. Let me just grab it and then call me and then, yeah, pick it up. I hope not. I would hope not. But we'll see if it works. But that sounds like a great feature to me because I hate waiting on hold. And more and more these days, if you want to get to a representative, you're going to be waiting for a long time. But they had that.
There's something else kind of more spam kind of protection stuff like i like the new ui where it surfaces recent phone calls and your favorites versus just bringing up the dial pad right away, um so you can quickly like jump to voicemails i like that and now has a separate location for like spam calls and unknown caller kind of stuff i guess they always kind of had that i i've used that feature for a while but um they're also i think leveraging apple intelligence there to surface things
where it might be a more important phone call like hey my doctors because this is the one that gets me so i have the i usually use the feature i have it turned on where, only people in my contacts are allowed to get through everybody else goes straight to voicemail, um but now it seems like if it's a call where it's my doctor's office and they're trying to confirm an appointment or something like that it will service that up to that main screen so that i don't necessarily miss it's
not buried as much anymore and it seems like they're leveraging apple intelligence and summaries for that sort of thing too so a lot of nice little enhancements to the phone app just interesting to see it getting some love this late in the game it.
Looks a lot like the messages app now like it right it's it's getting that kind of thing and speaking of the messages app, that too gets some enhancements. The group text enhancements were the ones that really jumped out at me where – In fact, I just got a text in our old TMO group confirming that RCS groups now get typing indicators, which is interesting. And you get that in iMessage groups too, but it's in both RCS groups and iMessage groups, which is handy to know.
Like I just said something. Is somebody else about to reply or can I move on? Like, is this is this becoming a real time conversation or are we going to stay mostly asynchronous and I'll come back to this in an hour or whatever? I like that stuff. And I'm curious to see how polls work in the messages app. I don't I mean, it it could be a great thing. It could be a mess. And my guess is, depending on the participants in the chat, it will be it will be one of of those two things.
So I'm very much looking forward to polls. I'm trying to get six people together on a date specific near the end of July. So which dates work for you? Yeah. So hopefully, uh, hopefully that will be good. I'm, I'm excited about that.
Really, what it should do is identify the holes with permission, identify the mute. If there's six people in the group chat, it should look at the calendars of all of them and identify the holes. Like, we need to get together for an hour at some point in the next two weeks. Go. And now it just instantly finds everyone's mutual availability and says here are the four times that you could do this everybody vote on the one that you want three
O'clock tomorrow morning
Three o'clock tomorrow morning that's
Right I'm assuming this feature is in only in a group chat with iOS all iOS people right.
I mean it knowing that the uh Knowing that RCS gets typing indicators, but no, it would have to be iMessage only for the polls, right?
Yeah. The only other way I think they could handle that is non-IOS people get a web interface to respond to the poll, like a link and a web interface.
No, it would have to be iMessage only. Because Apple wouldn't create a janky experience, right? They would just not create the experience.
So, yeah, which would then enable what you were describing, because then it could go in on device personally and not expose everybody's calendar and just kind of say, hey, these are times when everybody's likely available. Yeah.
Yeah. Each phone would have to expose availabilities, but not events and details of those events on on everybody else's calendar would just say, OK, this here's here's the times this this person's opening here. They've got an opening. That's all you need to know. Right. Yeah, we need that.
That would be cool. Yeah.
But did I hear incremental AI improvement in there? See? Just asking for a friend.
No, that's a really good point, Pete. Yeah, that's another one of those things, especially the call screening thing that you were talking about, Adam, where it's like that. Or the win. That is, it is an incremental improvement that leverages Apple intelligence. What it doesn't do that doesn't seem to me to be anything that apple intelligence couldn't have already done thus absolutely
Google voice has been doing it years
Correct but but i mean like with the apple intelligence that we have on ios 18 it seems like it is capable of that kind of analysis now i understand the features not there in ios 18 it's coming in ios 26 but the apple intelligence didn't get smarter they just added a way of leveraging it and to me it's the apple intelligence that needs to get smarter not just adding more ways of leveraging what we already have i mean don't get me wrong i want
both but one isn't enough yeah i think that was the point you were trying to make before at least adam
Exactly. Preferred routes and maps are interesting. I really, really wish, and this is one directly from a wishlist from my wife, because Google Maps has had this for years. I really, really want them to give us the ability to define our own route when we have a map route.
So i don't that's great that apple says here's your preferred route now you know so it'll learn the route that i always take to go from point a to point b say from my work to you know wherever the doctor's office or my house to my favorite restaurant or whatever that's that's great you know even if it isn't apple's recommended route it's my preferred route and then it shows apple's recommended route and maybe an alternate route i want
it to give me the ability to like stick my finger on the phone draw a line and like here's the route i want to take tell me how long that will take yep.
Yeah yep like the old days when we had dumb gps units right where you could you could say i this is the i want to take this route you know i know motorcycle riders love to do that with their gps's right because i don't want to go on the mileage disposable disposal units aka highways right those rides aren't fun i want to take back roads okay great you know here's the route i want to take now tell me how long you think that's going to take yeah and you can
Do that give me the directions you can do.
That with google maps ish apple maps no yeah
Yeah yeah and i got one other request on maps which is how about when i say i want to go home it actually takes me to my home not the house i lived at 11 months ago it still tries to take me to my old house and it's not in my contact as okay but that one is particularly frustrating
That's really interesting i wonder feedback at matt geekup.com let us know if you're seeing that too i mean i i haven't moved in 20 years so you know i i can't test this adam did you notice that when you moved out of california a number of years ago no
Sort of once i reset my home location in, my contacts the one place that i might think that might be related to is again in the location data it may just be the number of times with that location versus another and maybe it's a matter of like urging out the location data that it uses for like the intelligence.
Well and you moved many thousands of miles away from your prior home adam when you moved pete you moved you know eight whole miles i was gonna say less than 10 yeah exactly so yeah huh I'll have to ask, I'll have to ask Lucas how long it took. Cause he moved about two hours away. So, you know, a hundred miles or so. Um, yeah, I'll have to, I'll have to see it, you know, if, if home for him is still here because he comes here a lot.
Like, you know, it, it would have reason to argue that, no, I think, I think this is your home. Like, yeah.
And I'm not sure when the system started identifying home and work and those sorts of things. It wasn't all that long ago. That's relatively new to iOS is my recollection.
Have you said, hey, S lady, my home is X?
You don't have it, I don't think.
I should try that. Try it. It's not going to harm anything.
I know it caused me a thorn in my backside when it was, what was it? Where you can't make changes if you're not at home or work.
Oh, yeah.
And I had to turn that off. I forget what that's called, but I turned it off because it was driving me nuts.
All right. We're cooking along here. Is there anything, well, is there anything else in iOS 26 that we want to talk about before we move on to all the rest of the stuff?
I've got one I really love. Well, and first of all, they said CarPlay is used 600 million times a day. I don't use it that much, but I do it. But so it was neat to see a lot of the CarPlay improvements that are coming, including with next year's models. I was disappointed not to see it coming to Honda.
You don't have a Bentley?
Although it's going to Acura, but no, right? Yeah. But it is going to Acura. And my son's like, oh, it'll come to Honda if it goes to Acura. And I go, no, Honda is not on your son. But no, the one thing I am really excited to see is the spatial photos on the iPhone itself. That is really cool. You're no longer limited to Vision OS to enjoy your spatial photos.
Huh, I didn't catch that. Interesting. Okay.
Yeah, so it does that whole depth effect thing, so when you tilt the phone, it gives you kind of that looking into the device sort of feel.
Got it.
Very cool. Yeah, very, very cool. I don't know if this is new-new or not, but I think audio recordings in video conference calls, so I think this goes across like FaceTime, Zoom, all that sort of stuff. I mean, Zoom, you can already record the call with Zoom. And I think it also might work with the phone app, hopefully. But that I don't know for sure.
Yeah.
So I thought that was interesting. And then on Pete's thing on photos, just the updated UI, UX for photos, I think people are going to be more happy with. It looks like you now automatically go into the kind of all photos gallery mode. And then if you want all that other view that Apple added, it's under a new tab now. So you don't, you're not like sucked into the new, like multi-collection album, you know, interface that everybody hated.
Yeah. They finally brought tabs back to photos. If I say finally, they skipped one operating system. But now you have a photos tab and a collections tab, which I like. And similarly, camera is simplified and streamlined with photo and video. And then you can go deeper if you choose to. So, yeah.
That's welcome.
Yeah, I agree. Yeah, keep it straightforward and give us the access that we want. I also like, and this starts to get into Apple services, but they support all
¶ Apple Services
the states that will allow them to do the digital driver's license and wallet on the phone. And now if you are, if you have a U.S. Passport, you will be able to set up digital ID in your phone based on your passport. And that can be used, they said, at some TSA checkpoints, which I find interesting. So, I mean... Long time listeners of MGG. By the way, this is this is the final episode before we hit the 20th anniversary of of Mac Geek, which is interesting.
But if you've listened for many, if not all of those 20 years, you'll remember a story where I left my license at home and had to get on an airplane.
And boy wouldn't it have been nice if i could have used something in my phone and just not even had to talk about the fact that i forgot my license so you know there you go right yeah i i think it's good i i you know i think that's that kind of thing is good and and while it adds what seems to be yet another sort of incremental addition for apple intelligence the order tracking when it sees that you've got an order coming right like again
those kinds of things are nice i would like to see apple intelligence get more intelligent but adding more places for its current intelligence to be used is a nice consolation prize for sure
The order tracking thing i need to we need to be very very specific and clear about because they've had order tracking for apple pay transactions so if I use Apple Pay, that was built in. What they've added is it will look at your order receipts from non-Apple Pay transactions, just things from other sites that come into your email, and surface that in wallet. So that's the huge thing there. It doesn't have to be a transaction where you did Apple Pay.
It's going to actually be able to call your emails, your texts, wherever you get notifications for tracking information or order shipments, status updates, and surface that into your wallet, which is really cool.
Um, anything, uh, in vision OS that jumped out at you,
¶ visionOS 26
Adam, a few things, you know, again, to me, everything in here, you know, I think I was hoping for more across the board, especially with vision OS, because it seems like the kind of stepchild of everything still right now, like nest doesn't feel like it's getting a whole lot of love. Um, I am super excited about the new personas, the fact that you now have hair movement and they look a lot more, I mean, from the demo, they look a lot more natural. I'll have to report back.
I'm going to be downloading the beta immediately because I don't do that much with Visual.
Yeah, why not? Right, yeah.
I'm jumping all in. They can break my vision. That's fine.
I'm not going to be too frustrated by it. Will you need iOS 26 beta to fully support Vision OS 26 beta?
I don't know.
I'll let you know. All right, great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stay tuned, folks. Turns out we need to do another episode. So, yeah, yeah.
Maybe, maybe not. We'll see. You're going to do this another decade. I thought that was really, really cool. I know it wasn't demoed, but they showed the look to scroll feature that was in the composition slide. I'm curious to see how that works. I mean, it's cool that they're now supporting some third-party tracking devices.
So the PlayStation VR 2 controllers, it'll be interesting to see how that's implemented and if that helps to bring more game experiences, VR experiences from other platforms on Division OS. The Logitech pen too, like I think it's called the Muse. They have a pen that you can now draw in 3D space and there's some interesting maybe applications there.
But then so the two features for me are better personas curious to try those and then um i don't have any of these devices but i thought this was really cool that they're bringing this because it is going to bring more content is wide field of use video support with 360 180 and wide field wide field video playback from like third-party devices like the 360 cameras um they partnered with canon uh the 360 one what's the one we've been f we've been oh.
Insta 360 yeah yeah
Insta 360 and the other 360 platform but all of those devices are going to be supported for video playback in your vision which i think so you can now have your own 3d videos not all distorted you know, That seems like it would be amazing for those people who do that kind of action stuff, or you're just out doing whatever, filming that stuff. And now you can go back and relive those experiences inside the vision, I think is going to be a huge application.
Huh. Yeah, yeah, good point.
I um oh and then the enterprise the enterprise stuff sorry the enterprise stuff was the other thing that um you can now save kind of your oh i guess it's both enterprise and maybe for your own personal things but you can now save all of your vision profile information so you know when you put your own vision on it it does your lenses it does your eye displacement it does all of these biometrics to like make the vision pro work for you and you normally have to go through a setup process
when you put the vision pro on and then it's kind of locked to you you can now save those profiles to your iphone so if i go to somebody else's vision pro that can be picked up in guest mode and it can be automatically tailored to me without having to do that setup all over again i.
Like that i like that i i also they said something interesting when talking about vision os 26 and the um the new safari they call it spatial browsing and and whoever was speaking made a comment this marks the beginning of the spatial web
Yeah i'm.
Curious to see we've heard this a lot before in in a variety of different ways these kinds of bold predictions we'll see you know we'll see i did like that they showed how two people could own uh uh could sit next to each other on the couch wearing vision pros and watch a movie together and my first thought was you know for like 7 500 bucks man i could buy a killer tv to put on my wall and actually be able to look at the person next to me but i don't know you know why
Would you want
To do that.
Tv and a sound
System and.
You know what i could bring a third person in it wouldn't cost me a dime extra so i don't know you know
I think that was more and again i think that was more yeah it's funny they tried to sell that but then they immediately showed the more reasonable application of that, which is the enterprise experience, right? You have two engineers and they're working on a 3D model of something and they can throw that in front of each other in real and full size in the space.
So say you're doing an airplane engine or a car or something like that, and you want to take the wheel off and show the assembly for the new braking system that you're developing. Those two engineers can get together and they can both be working on that same model at the same time. And they each have their own perspective on that, and it's locked in space. Oh, I know the number one thing. I almost forgot this because they announced it. And I think it was the first thing they announced.
They're like, Ed, we're bringing widgets to Vision OS. And I'm like, God, widgets. How stupid is that? But, and then they go, go ahead, and then they go, yeah, You can put them in your space and lock them there. So you throw a clock on the wall and it sticks on the wall in whatever room you're in. And it's there forever. Every time you come back or your calendar in your kitchen, or I'm like, oh, I get it. Now that actually really is cool. So I could put my calendar up in my kitchen.
I could put, you know, whatever my weather widget up, you know, on my bedroom wall or on the bathroom wall or wherever I want that thing. And it's always there. The clock's over there.
Never needs winding
I i um speaking of widgets i love that we get widgets in carplay now yes i think that is going to be a really handy view of a place to view widgets i realize we need to keep our eyes on the road but if i need a piece of information and carplay can't deliver it to me, and I am tempted to pick up my phone and look at it, that's much worse than it being in large text or large image, whatever, right there on my screen where I can glance and go back to the road.
Like, way better. More information on CarPlay screen, within reason, is better than the current amount.
And soon to be in your car hood, let's hope.
Well, you need a new car for that. You need a Bentley.
You do.
You do. I can't wait till you get your Bentley.
Yeah. I'm on it, man. Great. I'm going to get two. I'm going to buy each of you guys one also.
Oh, cool. Thank you. Yeah, 20 years. I think that's the gift. That's the 20-year gift. That's the 20-year gift.
It's the Bentley anniversary.
It's the Bentley anniversary. We're having fun now. Oh, man. All right. Is there anything else?
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We're at our hour 20-ish here.
The only thing that's left is watchOS and tvOS. I don't know that there's anything super special that I can pick up out of either of those.
While we're being silly, the workout buddy that they've added to watchOS, the thing that will coach you through workouts. Well, my first thought was just the voice that they were using, and it was like, congratulations on starting your run.
My first thought was so did they put this in uh because they want to sell more apple watches to the people that immediately take that thing off and smash their apple watch for trying to be overly positive while they're suffering through a workout and i don't know maybe but uh i think the workout buddy i don't it it what is it trying to be like a coach or an inspirationalist or Yeah. Maybe. Maybe.
That wasn't so cool to me, but what was, and I think you may already be able to do this, and I haven't played with it enough to see if you can, but they were talking about being able to pace yourself and race against yourself on your most recent route or routing, and that's always nice to go, oh, man, I'm not hanging nearly as well as I was yesterday.
Yeah. I like the wrist flick to defer a notification or to silence a call. It's just that flick forward and boom. Yeah. Yeah. I think I will use that feature. And what's nice is it does not dismiss the notification. It defers it. So it remains in your notification center when you just flick up. Like, nope, I don't want to see that now, but I don't want it to go away.
Like when you launch an app and the notification goes away, like that, that sucks sometimes because you don't know why you launched the app. But, um, yeah. So I thought,
Although I do that to some degree already with my, with my AirPods, being able to nod no on the AirPods. That is so nice.
Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot like that. Yeah. Fair.
Yeah.
Apparently they buried the lead on tvOS because really the only thing they showed in the keynote was I think kind of a new UI for the TV app. Kind of top 10 lists and stuff like that and then the liquid glass, but I just looked at the press release and the number three item is, take the mic and sing in Apple Music. You can use your iPhone as a handheld mic with the Apple TV to do their whole karaoke thing with the Apple TV and Apple Music.
Yes, I heard them say that.
In order to get amplified through your stereo system.
Briefly, yeah.
Yeah that's pretty cool i mean that's fun fun yeah.
It must be using Wi-Fi because Bluetooth would have low fidelity and high latency, whereas Wi-Fi would be high fidelity, low latency. So, yeah. Yeah. Ah, yeah. That sounds like fun. Maybe we can have a little karaoke party here. That sounds great. See you at Mac Stock.
Mac Stock.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, man. Get the whole room rocking. Well, that's the thing. You got, you know, your background vocalist can just sit around the room and at your karaoke party. If, if you can do more than one iPhone mic at a time, that's the question. That's the question. Yeah. All right. Folks, what was, uh, what was your favorite thing?
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Feedback at Mackey cap.com. Let us know.
You heard him feedback at Mackey cap.com. Yeah.
That's what he said. Feedback at Mackey cap.com. Let's go to your favorite thing at WWDC.
Absolutely. If your brain doesn't hurt enough from the processing, all the information from the WWDC keynote, also today on June 9th, the episode of Gig Gab that came out is one for us nerds. I had the pleasure of bringing my friend Robert Scoville back on the show.
He is currently mixing front of house at Sphere for Kenny Chesney's run and the whole paradigm shift of doing sound in a concave room versus a convex environment it made my brain hurt so good and if you want your brain to hurt so good you can go listen to that so I'll put a link to that in the show notes make sure you check out Adam's podcast, the debut film podcast and Pete's podcast, so there I was for aviation enthusiasts, thanks to
Cash Fly for providing all the bandwidth to get the show from us to you. Thanks to one more for the giveaway at MacGeekUp.com slash giveaway this month. Am I missing anything, guys, or are we good here? I think we're good. I think we're good. Thanks for hanging out with us, everybody. Fun thing to do on a Monday night. It's almost like MacGeekUp After Dark because I think it's almost dark here. It's got to be dark here by now.
Oh, it's very dark.
Okay.
We kept it not after dark, though, because the language was fine.
The language was fine. I didn't have to flip the switch. Yet another 20 years, and we never had to hit the explicit button. I mean, I had to edit Pete a few times over the years, but, you know.
Hold my beer. Watch this.
All right, everybody.
Folks, thank you for the past 20 years. We are looking forward to many, many more. And if I have one, if I can sum up everything that we have done over these past two decades into several words, it would be these. Do us a favor and don't get caught. Made out of Mac.
Later.