Mac a little tardy to the party. I do believe this surfaced years ago, but it's new to me, so why not bring it up on the podcast? Okay at Vegas Issues on at the time Twitter, I believe. Now it's called x Breaking News News Damp. But they have the betting odds from the mirage from nineteen ninety five, the summer of ninety five. What was big that summer? Baseball? No, who shot mister Burns on The
Simpsons? They have the suspects and they have the odds up there, And I feel like, if I was old enough to bet at the time, if I had this on my app on my phone, I would have lost tons and tons of money. Yeah, agree to agree there. Now, I'm trying to recall if I remember this live or if I just remember it on the reruns, because I do remember there's being a substantial episode and a whole thing because it ends as season right and we don't find out to the
next season. Correct. Yeah, So I think I do remember this live. We were six maybe at the time. Yeah, I just remember it being so huge and it was a lot of talk and you know, it's literally odds on the Mirage here. So what an episode, All time great episode, all time great television episode. I remember the summer of ninety five, like at the age of six, asking people what they thought who they thought shot mister Burns, just assuming that everyone watched The Simpsons, and most
people did. But a lot of people are just like, what are you talking about. I was probably busy smashing my ankle with a skip it back in ninety five. I think it was a pre Razor scooter. But yeah, big, big skipp it summer back in ninety five. So on the board, Homer was at two to one, Whalen Smithers five to two, Krusty the Clown three to one, Bart four to one. Someone that jumps out to me a little bit of juice and I feel like I would have
put money on this one is Grandpa Abe Simpson at ten to one. He's enough of a well known character, but he's someone like, say, if he did do it, you could write him off. Dude. I'm stunned that Maggie's even an option down there at seventy to one. Credit to them for for even putting her on there. I mean, the top two is the two that most people thought it was. I mean, Whalen made the
most sense. I don't think Homer could have done it. It's like story wise, Homer shooting his boss or Homer shooting someone in general is a bad way to go for your main character. Yes, but also disgruntled worker like you could have said, he's such an idiot. He could have been an accident in the way ended up being an accident. So yeah, Barney's are drunk. That's another option. I'll also say that at seven to one, Hans Moleman being on the board might have been there to throw people off.
Yeah right, yeah, yeah, I do think they got the top two. Though I would have bet on Homer or Whalen. If I was a betting man. At two to one, you wouldn't have bet on Homer. Not enough juice, I know you like that squeeze. You like that squeeze two hundred. You wouldn't have bet one hundred dollars on Homer shooting mister Burros. No, jes Let's let's say you get one hundred bucks two bet. Yes, I'm probably putting like fifty on Homer, maybe twenty five on Smithers,
and then like five five dollars bets elsewhere. I would have sprinkled. I think the most on Grandpa. I think that makes the most sense to me. Okay, maybe Principal Skinner two. Principal Skinner's are a bad one. Yep, Sideshow Mel, you never know, wild card. Okay, that's a good start for us. One good three, yeah, jobs three, King of Queen Mel Street and I'm Man and we are the Mac and Goo Program. We are here to talk about the Boys. We hate world.
Let's talk about about world. We are here today to talk about father issues, everlasting father issues that play up in this show every single episode in all four seasons. Today it's The Boys season four. Doo. This is a Prime video show, and I think I'm trying to think if there was a show before this that really legitimized Prime. If there was one, it's not coming to mind. But Season one of the Boys was twenty nineteen. I think that was the first time I was like, oh need Prime.
Well maybe for us, Yeah, yeah, I'm sure there was before then, but maybe maybe not. I don't know. Handmaid's Tale is that on Prime? That was Hulu? Okay, well there you go. That went out the window. This is a TVMA action comedy and crime show. But really it's a comic book show. Eight episodes approximately an hour each, so we get close to eight hours of content here. And it's been pretty much like that four seasons strong. So we are roughly thirty two hours into this
story, give or take. It might be a little less than that with credits and whatnot. We got one season left that's been announced on Roddy Tea's goode ninety three percent from the critics, seventy six percent from the audience. Now you might be like, oh, that audience score is a little low. Actually one percent higher than season three. What do you think about that? I think season three, if we're gonna talk about it, might be their best season. Like to me, season three was easily the best season.
Now, the first two were very good. I'll say I would take season one, probably because I like new things, and at the time it was new, it was fresh, and by season three it I think it got better. But if I'm gonna take one, it would be one. Okay, Well, your dog scores say otherwise did oh can you? Yeah?
What do you have for the for the research? Well we'll get to that in a few Okay, So season one roddy t is eighty five percent ninety one percent, Season two ninety seven percent, eighty four percent, Season three ninety eight percent, seventy five percent. So the audience is less liking it less and less. I bet it's the audience that they're constantly making fun of that is liking it less than I think just in general, the audience
is also a little bit sick of all the political stuff. Yeah, it just to me because it is set in a world where they are trying to pretend what would happen if Soups were in a real world. I still think it's very accurate as I look, I still really enjoy it, but I will say that as we've gone further on, it has gotten more on the nose fair enough gou on Metacritic a seventy six. That compares to season one
of seventy four, Season two and eighty. So the critics are liking season two the most, Season three or seventy seven, but roughly all in the same tier. Yeah, and I would agree with that. I think I think this season may be the lowest of the four, but I do agree they're all roughly in the same tier, give or take. This show is created by Eric Kripkey, who you would have known prior to this for Supernatural. He was the creator of Supernatural, did I think all fucking three hundred
and seventy six episodes of that whatever it is. He's also the creator on gen V, the show that we saw between season three and season four of the Boys. And it is important to note that GENV is essentially season three point five of The Boys because a lot of the plot that happens there carries into this season, and season two of gen V will come out between seasons four and five of here. And also they're gonna deal with the ramifications of
what happened in season four in that show. Yep. So if you haven't seen GENV, you really should go watch that right now. And of course, Seth Rogan and Evan Goldberger executive producers on this show. I think they're actually credited as creators on GENV. And this whole series is based on the comics by Garth Ennis, who's a pretty popular writer. I don't know if this is the one that made him popular or not, but pretty popular. Synopsis pretty simple. Here, gu a group of vigilantes set out to take
down corrupt superheroes who abuse their superpowers. I have a bone to pick just in general, and we've talked about it a little bit before, pick that bone. These series don't come up with new synopsis for you. No, you get one in that same baby. We're not changing it. We're not changing it. That's annoying. Give me, give me a little kick it up a little bit. Zach and his friends hang out in Miss Bliss's class. All right, bear with me here. This show stars Kyle Arabin as
Billy Butcher. Alright, I'll jan kill me back out. Jack Quaid is Huey Campbell. Anthony stars Omlanda. Aaron Moriarty is Annie January aka Starlight. She's more Annie this season than anything. Jesse t Usher has a trained Laza. Lonzo is Mother's Milk. Chase Crawford is the Deep Tomer Capone as Frenchy. Karen fukuharas Kimmico. Nathan Mitchell is Black Noir. We actually see his face in this season, which is fun. Kobe Minifie as Ashley Barrett maybe
the most underrated character on the show. Camon Cravetti is Ryan, a more expanded role in this season. Claudia Dumott as Victoria Newman. That is Huey Campbell's real life girlfriend. I just found that a couple of weeks ago, Jack Quaid's real life girlfriend. It's not Huey's real life girlfriend. All right, yeah, there you go. Yeah, Jim Beaver as President Robert Singer.
Could we get a few returning characters here? Uh? Chantel Van Satin as Becker Butcher now say it right, Uh, she is essentially Hughey's good conscience, no Butcher. So she's the angel on Butcher's shoulder, not Butcher Butcher's shoulder, and the devil we'll get to in a second. Simon peg Pox pops back up as Hughey's father, Just Hugh regular Hugh no e, Hugh Campbell. John carl Esposito pops back up as Stan Edgar. Here's a little bit of a spoiler, but you've probably seen him. Yeah. Uh,
presumably he'll be playing a part in season five. And then we get some new additions here. Uh. Some played major roles, some played minor roles. Susan Hayward as Sister Sage. I thought she was fantastic. H Valerie Curry as Firecracker, probably a less meaningful character, but she did a great job. Also super into her look Jeffrey Dean Morgan, Joe Kessler, Rosemary DeWitt as Daphne Campbell. That's Hughey's mother. Dan Musseau is web Weaver.
They've been teaching web Weaver for a couple of seasons. He pops up. Finally, was the payoff on web Weaver. Good enough, one good scene? Probably not no, probably not now. Will Ferrow cameos in this in a couple episodes as Coach Brink and a fictional A train movie Killed Me, Killbly a couple of times he popped up, and then good. We get three characters from Jen v Here who we hadn't seen before in The Boys. That's Derek Wilson has Tech Knight, who was essentially this universe's retired batman.
Matty Phillips is Kate Dunlap, who has powers of mental manipulation. Yeah, she touches you, she can make you do what she wants. And then Asa Jerman as Sam Riordan or Reardan. He essentially is like invulnerable and super strong. Kind of reminds me a bit of Black Noir if you're looking for comparison, right, But they don't touch upon any of his like mental stuff in this, though, right, No, No, that Kate and Sam are just out after thoughts h in the season. I actually I wish
they played a bigger role in what we saw. Yeah, so I'm mact just on the whole before we get into our nonagon or our deca gone, whatever we have here. Uh, what did you think of the season? I thought this season was good, but again weighing it up against the bar that The Boys has set, which to me is the best show on television, I think it fell short of expectations, however, and I did go back and listen to a bit of our seasons one, two and three episodes
just to kind of refresh or what we were saying. How was I? How was I on the show? How would you grade me? You're great? Great man? Thank you. I sort of forgot that seasons one and two essentially just set up what happened in season three, and I think that's why season three was so great. The end of season two was a bit of a letdown, and we talked about that. We voiced that Season one of course, was you know, just getting the ball out in the fairway
and playing it from there. Yeah, but the binally on season one was great though, Yes, for sure, the bookends of season one was great. The in betweens on season two were great. Season three was just great as a whole. Although I will my biggest gripe with season three was that really nothing of consequence happens is at the end. As great as that final episode was, Everyone's still Alive, your biggest gripe was basically how topical it
was getting. So I understand why you're a little more probably annoyed with season four than or with that. I'm not even annoyed. I'm just like, Okay, I see this stuff, and now we're just making similar jokes to what we're already getting everywhere else, because every comedy show, every poly charged comedy show, tells the same jokes over and over again. Yeah, that's
fair. That's a fair criticism, dude. My biggest gripe with the season, and I'll expound upon this a bit when we talk dog scores is going into this season, Homelander had won every season. The boys really hadn't won anything. Put small Den into them here and there, and so we know
essentially coming into the season there's two seasons left. Well, Homelander is probably not gonna lose this season either, right, because ultimately that's the endgame, and so you kind of know what's gonna happen at the end of the season. And so that in mind is a little frustrating because the season drags a little bit and we don't get the same punches or the punch ups that we
do in the prior couple seasons. And on top of that, it sort of got telegraphed by the end of season three, at least in my mind, you didn't agree at least back then that Ryan is ultimately Homelanders end game here. And so again knowing that you knew very early on in season four that they're probably just kicking the can down the road, and I kind of feel that's like exactly what happened. So I think the reason why I come
away from season four lower than most seasons. Keep in mind right now, when we're both gonna say this, The Boys is better than most things on television, Yeah, easily. I think the issue that I have is that this felt more like half a season, like we never got that conclusion to the end, where like the end of season one and the end of season three have those amazing finales and you come away so satisfied. Yeah, this one. You don't get that, and even the cliffhanger with it isn't that
great of a cliffhanger. I totally agree. I do think that if season four is as great as it can be, we will probably ignore this going in like two years, right, we'll be like, Okay, it's season
five. Yeah, we'll probably be like, you know what, it's set up at everything in season five it was necessary, but currently we can't put all that much faith into how it's gonna end, and so we have to criticize it for that also, And I think you just might have said this, I wasn't paying attention to you, but the pacing was definitely off this season, where like, even at the beginning, it felt like it was going a bit fast, and then at the midway point it just kind of
stopped and then slogged its way through the last couple episodes, But then the finale felt rushed, it was a little klucky, and I've ultimately felt like we wasted a lot of time. Now, they're good characters and I know they are meaningful to this show. I just do not care about Frenchy's past,
and I just do not care about Kimmiko's past. And we spent like two full episodes on those two and I like, we're so deep into this again, thirty two hours into this story, I felt like, if you were gonna do that, give us that last season two seasons ago, I just didn't want it in this sear And you just mentioned those two characters. Even last season we got that great dance scene between them. Like in the past seasons, we've gotten big standout scenes. I'm not sure if this one
gave us that big pants tense scene. No, we got we got some borderlines, but there's there's not the one where you're like gonna go rewatch it on YouTube type of things. But also like the standout scenes from this season, like you might think it's like the stuff from episode two with like them fighting the big or like the naked guy, like the bunch of naked guys, but you're not gonna go back and watch the naked guy seeing a bunch.
I mean you you will, but I mean, like, yeah, no, it just it just it just it definitely lacked that major pants tent. But some of it, though admittedly is because we're so deep into crazy shit that's happened on the show. We're not as shocked by what happens. You know, I don't think I was shocked by anything, and maybe something in the finale, but then I'm like, or is this something else?
Oh, it's just this type of yeah, And that's why, like season one, maybe on a rewatch, we would like this more than season one, but at the time, it was all brand new to us and it was more shocking. And so that's why season one is. Nothing on this show will ever touch Popclaw. I think that was season two. That was season one. Okay, yeah, that was pretty amazing that that was the best thing maybe I've ever seen. Yeah, pretty incredible, And then you
start to fear for yourself, like what if that happens to me? Wait, this is realistic, But then you say, if it happens to me, that's not a bad way to go out. Shall we do our however many things we have, think we get an agone nonagone right now. Fun factor Following Homelander through his ups and downs, twists and turns is my favorite
stuff on TV. And I think it was episode five or episode six where we had him going back to his old stomping grounds, and that one episode with him was just like, I'm not sure if it's scarier when it's him unhinged or it's him calculated, because when he's calculated, he's a fucking psychopath. Yeah, I tend to agree with you here. We're a predominant amount of the fun or the fun predominantly becomes from Homelander doing crazy shit. That's
what most of the fun, especially in this season, came from. I will say I think a lot of Ashley's scenes are fun. Ok, he plays like a really fun character. In the conversation she has are pretty funny. And I actually feel like a train kind of making a turn this season that there was some fund shit going on in there as well. Oh you know what, Actually what the funnest addition that we hadn't seen before this year
was Black Noir's character. The actor hired to play a Black Noir. Yeah, it's actually a suit, but him like talking to through trying to figure out who his character should be and whose character is was very funny. Satisfactor. We need season five because they knew that this was gonna lead into season five. I'm not sure how satisfied I was with this season. Yeah, I would say by the end, I don't think I would just let down because again I sort of expected the ending we were gonna get, or not
exactly what happened, but I expected the can being kicked. I do think this was this lacked satisfactor for sure. I mean it's just the stuff that they thought was like, oh, this will get a rise out of the audience. Yeah, it just didn't didn't quite hit. It just didn't do. It bore omitter. I definitely felt some bore this season, and I definitely think it's more than prior seasons. Yeah. Again, I'll point out the Kimmicko Frenchie stuff. It's just that's boring to me. I'm not invested
in it at all. I'm just not. I'm sorry, right, But I also love her action scenes, yeah for sure. The emotional scenes from her past and both with Frenchy just don't hit for me. A quator. Yes, it's still better than Aquaman and still better than most things on television. Yes, we are not putting this show down. We do not hate this show. We do not dislike this show. We like it a lot. Totally agree Halloween. Will this wane over time for us? We need
season five to decide that. Yeah, it could go either way in that if season five doesn't stick the landing, this will look for worse. If it does, this will look better. It all depends on season five. Wh life gives you plemings, you make plemonade and Mac, I need to ask you who made plemonade on this show? And are we allowed to give it to Anthony Starr? Yeah? I think so because is it too obvious? It's obvious, But also he's not really the main character, like it's
still Hueye. Well, it's definitely shifted more towards him being the main character. Yeah, it has come. It's sort of a three way right now between Butcher, Huey, and Homelander. Right those see him like the three main players, and there's a little bit of a tug of war going on for for the screen time. But like, other than that, I don't like the Deep has some funny scenes and he's he's trace cowfor Crawford is very good. I don't know if he steals scenes though, like Black Noir,
maybe stole a scene or two. Yeah, Like he was very funny. Like the new additions, I don't know if you would give them play like maybe Sage. Sage was pretty great, but I think I think Anthony Starr's Homelander is just so overwhelmingly good and fun. You have to say him because also he was the only character that when he was on the screen, I made sure that I was paying attention for sure. For sure, Max credit Union, you're gonna give credit to those other people you just mentioned. I
yeah, you want to flip flop these doesn't matter to me. What I just said there maybe applies to here as well. Pants Tent City, Excite bike Mania, what got you going on this show? And like I said, I did like the naked fight scene and see An episode two because that was at least something a little bit different. I don't think any of the other fight scenes really stand out to me though on this season here. Yeah, you know, the souped up farm animals was like, okay, okay,
that at least pops into my brain. Yeah. Yeah. The major thing that happens in the finale was surprising. But was it a pants tent really? And we'll talk about that in one second with the spoilers. Yeah, yeah, so I think it does lack a bona fide standout. For those of you tardy to the Mac and Goop party, we rate everything on a forty hot Dog Rating system MAC. I got some pros and cons here for you. The biggest pro, simple enough, is Homelander. And like
I just said, whether he's calculated, whether he's unhinged. I think the calculated stuff where he it's the jaw, Like when he's just sitting back and thinking and the jaw starts to move, You're like, something good's about to happen here. Butcher is still great. I love Comico, Hughie. I thought was very good in this season. The stuff with his dad, that was a great episode. You know what. I didn't cry in that episode,
though, So did it do something wrong? I don't love Simon Peg in that role anyways, So no, but you know that father son stuff always gets to me. Yeah, true it did. No. I thought it was a good episode. I just it didn't pull any tears. It didn't, it did, I will say by the end of it, I was the emotions were high, but it wasn't. I just they didn't establish Simon Peg enough for anyone to really, you know, cry in that moment.
I do like how with the main characters the show, Homelander, Butcher, Starlight and then you know, looking at the politics of it all, they give you the dual sides to each character and each story, and how each side has a different story to it. But at the end they reveal that everyone and everything just sucks, yet everyone thinks that, you know what
they've gone through, they did the right thing. Everyone's a bad guy, everyone's selfish, but everyone thinks they're the good guy in their own story. And I do like how they do get to that with everything on the show. And let's see if they keep going with that season five or if that's going to be cut off now as like a season four thing, because it does seem like they might have moved past that. You got a couple gufaws, but not as many as in the past. Yeah, oh gooz cons.
This felt sloggy at points, but it also felt rushed at other points, and also at other times it felt like it was just running in place. It was a boat with one like my fantasy baseball team, just going in circles, not knowing, not knowing how to how to fix their roster. Big treadmill factor. Yes. Also the action gore and some of the characters felt a little Sameseias as past years, So nothing truly new with a lot of this. I got this. This is tough, but I'm gonna
say thirty two hot dogs. Ooh okay, and for some context there, Yeah, give the people some context. Hurry up. You had season one at thirty eight, ye, season two at thirty seven, season three at thirty nine. We both were close to forty on season three. So that's an average of thirty eight on the first three. And you give this one of thirty two's said thirty two. And I might be I might be too high on it because I still do love these characters, and I think that
Homelander really does pull it along. Okay, I actually feel you, like be a little too low. Oh that one again, This is like how I said that with the high pitched voice and it's low. I have a tremendous issue going forward that I sort of figured was gonna happen again. Homelander won the first three seasons. Spoiler, he wins this fucking season. We have one season left. We have one season left, and we know Homelander
is not going to win that. So that's a little defeating as a viewer knowing that, all right, I know somewhat what's gonna happen at the end of it, and in the midst of season three, and by the end of season three, I was pretty sure Ryan was gonna be Homelanders undoing, and now I'm like more sure of that, you know. So the ending of this series feels a bit telegraphed, and that's without even getting into spoilers.
So like, with that in mind and watching the season with that in mind, I really felt like, Yep, we're just kicking the can down the road, and that's it's hard to not feel that way. And coming off a fantastical end of season three, but again, none of our main cast dying was also a little cheap, so we don't lose anyone there, so they I'm kind of undercut the fantastic ending there. Yeah, we really needed something consequential in this season, and I think we do get it in
the finale. Going again, we'll talk about that in a couple of minutes. But do we like that that? I don't know. I want to throw a scenario at you in a second, but go ahead, okay, all right. So ultimately the season does feel a little lazy. It was still enjoyable for me on a week to week watch. The topical stuff doesn't bother me. In the slightest, because I do still feel like that's actually accurate. However, our main cast of characters are essentially all in the ex
same exact spots as they were one season ago. Ryan. Ryan's the only character that has had like a substantial move from last season to this season. So season five better be the best season because I had that damn kid gets a crew cut. Otherwise I I question whether this journey would have been worth it all. But that said, I got this like a bea. It's thirty four hot dogs. It's still really really enjoyable. Yeah, it does get hurt by weighing against its prior seasons, but still a very good show.
I would almost argue that it's helped by its prior seasons, because I'm gonna give it the benefit of the doubt. Okay, I would argue hurt because if this shit happened in season one, you'd be more blown away by glass half full. I'm pointing at myself for those of all, Are you sure, yes, that's how that works. Head over to social media and tell us which of the two has a nice half glass of milk. I guess we both do actually hold up, but which one is full? And
which one is empty, but it's the same amount of milk. Maybe you have because you have a child. Would you how much would you try breast milk? No, yeah, I probably would. Looking at you, I believe you probably would. I believe you. I've give it a little sip that'd take down a quarter or two. Maybe that's why I have this two dogs higher than you. All right, shall we spoil spile spile spilers?
Okay, So the biggest thing from this season is that in the final five minutes of the season, after Newman says I need your help, boys, boys, can you please get me out of my sticky situation, a super tumored Butcher comes in there and venoms her in half. Now after what we had just gotten in the previous episode where we have the the folks that can
change their bodies, I'm blanking on what they're called right now? Uh, the one that became Starlight, the transformers not transformers, whatever it is. Uh. I thought for a second, I was like, wait, is Butcher one of these people too? Oh? Wait, no, that is the super tumor that they had teased about a half an hour ago. That is essentially Jeffer Deine Morgan. Yes, you know that's the embodiment of that
fucking serpent venom tie yeah thing. And I ask you this, of do you think it would have been better if they saved Newman and then they opened season five with killing her there to show you the consequences are now real. Number One, I don't necessarily believe that Newman's dead. Let me get that out of the way. She has all these powers with being able to manipulate blood, and it wasn't like she was torn a shred. She was just torn in half. Yes, first of all, that's the first death of
consequence we get in the series, and I have quote unquote deaths. So I liked that they did something, I guess, but also we were just building towards something significant with Newman and maybe another capacity, and then they just took her off the board. That's why I don't know if I believe it totally. Number two, Yes, I hate hate the way that Butcher's v powers manifested there. Last season we saw like the laser vision and for whatever
reason, the fucking venom tentacles just didn't work for me. I didn't like it. I didn't looked I thought it looked kind of corny. Well, that those aren't his powers, that's the cancer's powers. Sure, you decide what the cancer does, well, it's sort of one of the same. And yeah, the powers because of taking that shit last season. I also wonder why Victoria and Newman can't be hurt by scalding hot laser vision but can be ripped apart like that doesn't She was also shot in the head in the
first episode. Yeah, so how does that make sense? I don't know if that makes sense logistically if you're just trying to like break down like she she felt like she was invulnerable and then she could just get ripped apart. So I don't really care for that. And then again number two I kind of mentioned already with the Butcher thing. Do you like that Butcher's just straight up a soup now? But I don't think he is a soup. It's
the cancer that is the soup. Well, sure, but for the rest of Butcher's life, he's gonna have that ability now, right, I don't think it's Butcher anymore. It's not Butcher. It is now Jeffreydine Morgan character exists with that power. OI. I can't believe I have to like this now? OI. Yeah, So I Number one, I don't. I don't know if I like that Newman got killed. Number two, I don't like the way that it happened. So it's consequential unless they undo it,
which I probably will actually like, I just don't know. Like that was supposed to be the big shocking moment, and it comes smack dab at the end, because basically after that is a prologue. Another one of the big shocking moments, too, was that you find out that Morgan is actually in Butcher's head. The only issue that we had with that is that you had predicted it and told me every day for a month that you thought it was gonna be the thing. So when it was revealed on the show, I'm
like, motherfuck Mac, you piece of shit. You ruin this for me. Uh No, I predicted it maybe after season or after episode three. I had hinted it towards you. It did feel like that, though, I'm sure I'm not the only one that saw that. Well, No, once you said it and then told me every day for a fucking month, Yes, I I did not tell you every day every day. You texted me every day morning and evening. So yeah, that was a big moment. So yeah, sure, I'll give you that I actually saw her coming.
But aside from that, I do like that we're still dealing with like family in fatherhood and wanting to be love searching for love because all of these characters, all of our main players, whether it be any of the Seven or the Boys, are certainly like still looking for their place in the world, and so there is something to that and there's something relatable to that. However, they have still They've been doing it for four seasons now and so
that part is getting a little stale too. But this season was more about fighting with yourself and you know, trying to cope with who you are. Like you have a homelander who is aging, so he has this big jar of pubes. Butcher is accepting death and at the end he doesn't accept it. He says, no, I'll live until this thing kills me. And then Starlight is going through her thing the whole season. Do you like how
quickly we found out that Starlight was kidnapped? Would you have liked that to have been stretched out maybe an episode or two, And then there's a mystery to how long she had been gone, as opposed to knowing the entire time that she was just taken and then she was gone for ten days, because they kind of told us all that pretty quickly. No, I was good with that. I didn't mind that at all. In fact, that was
actually another pretty significant thing that happened in the season. So maybe we are a tad too low on the season, but out of ten I'm fine with that. It's still tied into the main theme though, because part of fighting with yourself and accepting yourself, that's like the first step in like getting loved or accepting others or accepting yourself. Like that's all tied together. Man, good Hue Campbell, it just keeps getting the worst. He had a rough
run, absolute worst of the worst. First, his fucking dad dies in a really traumatizing way, and in part it was so traumatizing because of what Hue did well. Also, you know, while his real father died, he's also dealing with his father figure dying. Yeah, Butcher is this older brother father figure. And I also think he thought he was hoping Butcher would turn a corner, and now Butcher's gone back the other way. So that's
hurting. Not only was he dying, he's now not the person you thought he was, you know, yeah, and then he's doing you know, he meets his idol, he meets the tech Knight, and it turns out that he gets essayed tech night and by Ashley. God. Yeah, that so that was I think that was They were hoping that was gonna be more fantastic than it was. Instead it just kind of went on for too long, so that missed a bit. Then he thinks that he's gotten engaged.
She's having this great sex with his you know, new fiance. Turns out that with someone posing as her, meaning that he was once again essayed. Yep. Hard arted there for sure, so tough, tough seas. I don't appreciate her not being a little bit you know, nicer to him about this. Wow, she came at him real hard. Yeah, she acted as as if he cheated on her, and I guess he did. But
also he was sexually sulted and she didn't really well she did. She did kind of come round now, she came around to it, but at first she was like, you son of a bitch's pretty upset, that's for sure. Well, he did. He did try to marry someone that wasn't her, so he thought it was her she had the same birthmark on the inside of her thigh. Good. Once again, Homelander wins, and maybe wins
is the most this season, Homeland is essentially in charge. Home Learner isn't the President of the United States, but he controls the president of the United States, so basically Homelander now has a dictatorship over the United States. And he has also now allowed every superhero to go out there. He is in charge, and they are just taking names and kicking ass. H I it's get it's he better fucking die in the most amazing ways. No, I want him to win. And then he's like, what have I done?
I'd be okay with that too, because that would be something no fucking show has ever done before. It would piss a lot of people off. But Macgoo would like it if he just sat back at the end, he's the only one left alive, and he's like, he's like in a sea of blood. Nobody's like, maybe that wasn't my best course of action. But
then he sits back and goes but I really don't care. And that's just how it ends that don dun doun no no no no no no no no no no no. Speaking of maybe his potential downfall here, his son Ryan has kind of gone rogue. He's kind of a showed both sides. Yeah, he's pissed at Butcher, he's pissed at his father. He's got his mom on his mind constantly. He's what thirteen fourteen years old, so he's going through all that shit as well. We we think, we believe he's
he has the same power set as Homeland, or eventually will. We also kind of have to think that because he was born naturally with those powers, he's probably gonna be Baseline a little bit stronger than Homelander, whose powers are artificial, and Home Winners also on his way down. We're being told that
by the Gray Pubes. Yeah right, so exactly. So homelanders kind of getting old, maybe losing his touch, and Ryan in maybe two three years will have peaked sixteen seventeen, eighteen years old, and maybe that's how we see Homeland. It'll be a mirror battle for sure, but at least this mirror battle, and it reflects a little bit of what we saw in Invincible at the end of that season. It reflects a little over this father son struggle where the son just has to do what he has to do, and
maybe that'll play better then than what we're thinking right now. I am, like, I am really intrigued as to like what a full playing Ryan will be, because right now he really is just dabbling in this. Do you think that Ryan kills his father, his father figure Butcher, and then his grandfather. Yeah? So that also, that's the other big thing we'll get to in one second. That was the post credit or the mid credit, the Soldier Boy tease. Ryan also kills Grace Mallory here, who was somewhat
a grandmother figure to him. That was fine, I did like that, Like, but he's also these cut ties with everything that has made him human, whether it be Grace or his connection to Butcher, because now that Butcher has seen him do that, and Butcher is really no longer Butcher anymore, so Ryan's just kind of off on his own. Yeah, right, he's
gone rogue. I think he's gone rogue. I think what we see here is essentially some combination of Butcher's death sparks something within Ryan that kind of gets him to fulfill his destiny or fulfill his promise to his mom, and him and Soldier Boy probably combined to beat Homelander in season five, right, that has to be do you want mine now? Because I'm gonna throw this at
you. Let's hear it. What if Butcher does kill Homelander, but then Butcher is about to unleash the uh the virus, the virus, and then he kills him, and then Ryan kills Butcher. I'm glad you brought that up. So the major event or major plot point that we grabbed from gen v was that superhero killing virus that was introduced there, pulled over here that is still up in the air. Presumably Butcher has it at the end of
the season and he seemingly his plan is to release it. He's gonna have to mass produce it and you know, find out a way to release it. But seemingly that is a way to kill all the superheroes. Do you think so there is a chance that this series ends with all the superheroes dead. That would be interesting too. That's interesting, yeah, but that also doesn't allow them to spin off into more stuff, and I feel like they want to spin off into more So the virus is just a red herring.
Then yeah, Okay, that's that's fine too. So at the end of this whole thing, you know, after Newman gets ripped apart, the prologue is essentially the boys on the run. They're leaving the US, except nope, they all get caught. They all get captured, except for Butcher, who drives to whatever farm or safe house he was talking about, and Annie finally gets her powers back blasts off again. We assume Butcher has this virus that he stole from Frenchy. Hue, Kimiko, mother's milk, and Frenchy
are all in prison. Kimiko was not taken. No, she's being held back and she actually speaks. Yes, we hear Kimiko say something for the first time. I do think she gets taken there. I don't think she does get taken. I think it's all non non soups. Okay, maybe you might be right about that. It's possible she does get taken though, And I think here's a crossover we will see, or here's how gen V comes back into things. Maybe they put him in this put them all in
the same holding place that we saw at the end of season one. Yeah, I was thinking too so that that would be a nice tie in there. Ultimately, we also find out here in the prologue. Sage was behind it all. She was the mastermind. It was a little bit of a seven type of thing where you didn't think they knew they were one step ahead, but they were. And I was okay with that. But I think it redeems Sage a little bit from where she was at the beginning of the
episode. Also, the stuff with Sage, I did think, like the lobotomy stuff was really funny. Yeah, that was good too. Yeah. And also just something I never need to hear again, is someone licking grease off their rubber gloves. Yeah, that's fucking cruise disgusting. A couple interesting things here we see Ashley doesn't take V twenty four whatever it's called. She takes one of the compound v's that was being held in homelanders Layer. There
we see her kind of transforming, and then she just disappears. We don't see her in the final twenty thirty minutes of the episode. Very intrigued as to how that manifests going. She's gonna have a big old brain. I think Firecracker is getting sicker because pretty funny meds for the breast milk. It feels like they're setting something up there too. Where maybe that will actually affect bro What if she comes back next season and she's got huge jugs. Another
major thing that happened during the season is a Train is a turncoat. He's no longer a part of the Seven. He became essentially a part of the Boys who was helping the Boys out. He was the leak they were talking about all season long. So that is good. It is so maybe to your point, maybe Kimmiko is kind of on her or her own a little bit. And you also have a Train there and Ashley maybe working against the Seven and Homelanders, so maybe that's our glimmer of hope going into season five.
You also have Stan Edgar and Newman's husband Samir still in the win, presumably going to work together. I don't think a for Homelander, presumably against its yeah, but also against the Boys since fucking Butcher just killed Newman. Yeah, so that's another wild card we have there. You spoke about the
shape shifter though, that's what they're called. I wish that shape shifters, and I obviously there was one that was in the first two seasons before Homelander killed him, but I wish that they reintroduced shape Shifters into the season before episode seven because it felt kind of rushed, like, oh, there are still shape shifters. It just feels cheap either way. With that power,
it's never gonna exactly feel right good. Something funn here at the end, we got that girl Cindy, who I think we saw at the end of season two escaped that holding cell whatever. Walking down the road, she pops up here to capture Hueie. That's when Andy jumps away. That was maybe like the coolest little easter egg we got in this season. Again, we see Sam and Kate at the end here get Kimmy, Cohen and Huey.
That does lead to more questions about gen v and the other Guardians of a Adulkin we saw, but maybe we'll see them at the very beginning of season five in that little prison hospital. Think We also again get Soldier Boy here in the mid post credit, who's basically on ice and it seems like, while he may not be as powerful as Homelander, I don't think Homelander can kill Soldier Boy because if if he could have, that's probably what it happened
at the end of last season. Right well, I think Ryan really kind of threw everybody off. Yeah, yeah, that's true. We also didn't see the Wonder Woman character. Mayve she'll she'll pop up again in so do you think so? I see here that you wrote possibly a civil war between the Soups. Do you think that we're gonna see kind of a seven on seven? Let's try and brainstorm the seven right now. Soldier Boy may kimmyko starlight, maybe a Marie Moreau a train, a train Marie Moreau six,
and then and then maybe who Butcher? No, no, Butcher's off on his own. So I think Butcher's on his own. Ryan's on his own. And I also wouldn't be surprised if Soldier Boy was also on his own. But I wouldn't be surprised if he was also part of a team. I don't Again, we do have a couple of those gen V kids. We can go Ashley, Yeah, Ashley, we got too, but she also might be on her own. But you do have Marie Moreau and then the one who could change genders. Oh yes, yes, I can't think
of their name that could play as well. So they I think we might have like a really incredible few episodes. I think it makes sense, though, to do a seven on seven that's been like the big number on the show. I also think that this show because I would assume that they're gonna try and spin this off into more things after this, but maybe cut off the timeline of these characters with season five. So I think the Seven's gonna be gone. I think the Boys are gonna be gone. Yeah, I
think. And again because none of the storylines they started in season one have really concluded. I think they kind of all come to ahead in season five and we move past that, you know, and whatever spinofs go forward, I don't think we're gonna see much of those same characters. Let's get into Maxack and Max could be Anth and it could be a boat. And lit'll
go with the season four of the Boys. That has been announced here that season five of the Boys will be its final season and it's currently being written, has eight episodes, Filming starts around November, and we'll go until mid twenty twenty five and is expected to be released in twenty twenty six. Yep, so we got two years, got some time, but we'll have a gen V season in between. But you know it is I'll wait two years for the if it really is gonna be the final season. I'll wait two
years. Make it. Take your time. It's fine, I'll be happy with it. Take your time. And I do feel like season four and season five are going to feel like one long season. Yeah, and you're right, the gen v in between will help, all right, Mac, Where can the people find us? You can find us on Oh, We're gonna find us on Twitter and on Instagram, at Mac and Goop podcast every other platform. We're Mac ampersan goots, Mac Shift seven Goo that includes Facebook,
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