Secret Invasion

So the other day, my mother in law, she's gonna have us over for some lobster and I say to myself, I'm really in the mood for a good lobster roll, a good hot buttered lobster roll. So on the way there, I grabbed some really nice hot dog buns butter the accoutra Ma. We go over there. I grill the buns, butter the buns up, real nice crack the lobsters perfectly, take out all the garbage meat, build my lobster roll, take a bite into it, and I realize I'm

not really into lobster anymore. So your lobster was a phase for you, is what you're saying. I don't know. Was it a thirty three year phase? So I've never been a quote unquote lobster guy. I'll enjoy a lobster roll here and there. I don't seek lobster though, that's for sure. Am I lobster out? I maybe maybe is that a possibility to be lobster out. Lobster in and of itself is not the best. There's some people that absolutely love it. I prefer like crab. I think is it

was me? I was lobster through and through I would get three to six pound lobsters on my birthday every year, and I think this past year maybe I just went two lobster heavy. I don't know if that made me a little sick, but I was sick the next day. Okay, am I just over lobsters? You might be, you might be. Hey, taste buds changed, that's what they say. You know what I like now is lemon out of nowhere as I got older, lemon. So here's a question

for you. Yeah, I like lemon flavored things in general. You know, drinks, sweets, Do you like like lemon flavored? Like baked goods? They're okay, I'm saying more like if I'm having a salmon lemon on there. Oh yeah, that's like goes hand in hand pretty much, unless unless you have already like a pretty good glaze on there that the acid isn't going to penetrate. Yeah, I like, I like a little lemon on my seafeace. So what do you think I should just take off the rest

of the summer from the lobster and just check back in next year. Maybe try at the end of the summer. End of the summers. You know else is did a big thing here too, in New England. We are in Massachusetts. Lobster per pound is outrageous, which doesn't make sense considering we're, like, I don't know, seven miles from a real live lobster in the ocean. But do you know this, though, is that if you pay fifty five dollars you can get a lobster license. Just buy some traps

and you can have up to ten traps at once. Yeah, but then you gotta check them. You can check them, but then you have as many lobsters as you want, which does not help me with my issue of not being in a lobster right now. You're gotta know where to place them, and then also go and check him and both those things and put him in the river. I'm sure you'll get something, all right, Yeah, good point one three? Yeah, just three, King of Queen Street,

enter Goo and I'm Mac and we are the Mac and Goo Program. We bring you friendship. Yep, and today we're talking about uh inter species friendship? Are we gonna save that for spoilers? No? I mean the whole the show is about scrolls on Earth. I think that's I'm saying more about like banging scrolls. Oh oh well, so here. Here's here's my take on the scrolls. First of all, I don't like women who are bald, so I wouldn't want to a bald scroll. But like green Gomera all

in on, that doesn't bother me. But the ears of the scrolls bothers them as well. Okay, so my take on this is like, as long as the scroll doesn't want to look like the scroll while you're doing it, like if the scroll is into role playing, if the scroll is into like you know, like, they'll look like whoever you want them to look like. Sure, that's not bad. No, that's that is certainly a perk. But then the natural follow up there is do the where you're putting

where he puts in the Paintis that doesn't feel does it feel like? I guess that's the question too, Like can they make everything right as one would assume? Yeah, Like say, if one night you say to yourself, I want a really big ass, get me please turn into Megan the Stallion play give me a really big ass right now? That does raise a good question. Speaking of ask you, I have been very confused, and this was a point that other people brought up that now is bothersome to me?

When the scrolls change forms, Yes, why do the clothes also change? Well, that's like a lot of things, I guess, although the MCU has been better about that, like when the Hulk would turn back into Bruce Banner, he would then be nude. Sometimes, why would they just say, oh, the scrolls also have this like alien microfiber could change things. That just bothers the shit out of me. Goo. Yeah, and the

folks at home today we were talking about Secret Invasion. I'm glad that we got this sex with the Scrolls out of the way because that was really something that I've been thinking about. We'll be coming back, Okay, we'll get back to it. Okay, there'll be more. I'll be spending most of this podcast talking about that. We're talking about Secret Evasion, a Disney Plus television miniseries, and I think that essentially means it's just gonna be a one

off, no second season, but who knows. I hope so oh it was a spoiler alert there the market teas Yeah, all right. I actually think where this season leaves off, a second season would almost have to be well. I would say that if you had more to tell, you could have put it into this season. Because they didn't do enough with the six episodes that they had. I almost feel like they actually needed a couple more

episodes. So I guess we're feeling differently about this. Dude. This is the fortieth four zero, so maybe we can do an official hot dog skill coming up, maybe in a month or so when we have nothing else to talk about. Fortieth entry into the MCU. This is the eighth series. There have been thirty two movies. This is a TV fourteen action adventure in drama. I would sub about adventure and sub in thriller more than more of a thriller in drama than anything erotic. I'd put erotic in there well,

considering what we're talking about. Yes, six episodes running a total of two hundred and sixty nine minutes. Nice, that's approximately about forty five minutes each, although I think all three of the final episodes were under forty minutes, and it did feel a little quick towards the end. The first three felt longer, the last three felt shorter. Goo. Yes, really interesting discussion

here amongst what the critics and the audience feels about this show. On Rotten Tomatoes, this has a fifty seven percent from the critics sixty percent from the audience. Now, that audience score of sixty percent makes it second worst by a lot, although the bottom there is thirty two percent. Sholk Attorney it law. If you go by the audience scores, goo, this is the seventh best show and the sixth above it best and the worst. I'll send

best show. I'm sorry them in property seventh seventh best show. Yeah, so second to worst correct, okay, and the sixth above it. I have only a ten point percentage spread there from ninety percent to eighty percent. Loki, Hawkeye, Moonnight one Division, falcon And went to Soldier and Miss Marvel in that order. Yeah, the critics skew give it a sixty three

on Metacritic. That makes it the worst MCUs show according to the critics, a little bit below Hawkeye at sixty six, which I don't quite understand that. The spread here on Metacritic, the top is seventy eight, Miss Marvel seventy seven, one Division seventy four. Loki also falcon And went to Soldier sixty nine, Moonnight Nice she holds sixty seven, Hawkeye sixty six, sixty three, So the critics have sort of lumped them all together, or almost

two tiers according to the critics. I actually feel more like the critics, or at least the way they're kind of ranking these shows, more than I do the audience. Okay, And I know that one of the big issues with the audience is that this was called Secret Invasion, and it did not come close to the comic or it did not pay off on a lot of

the stuff that the comic has in it. So um a few days ago, West of Change My Mind podcast and I did a little bit of a series finale preview and we talked a little bit about that, And I fucking hate these people if you're one of those persons or people's folks that say the comic books did this and we never got there. The comic books are out the window at this point. We're certainly drawing upon them and taking ideas, but everything that happens in the MCU now has to be within context of the

other thirty nine. Now, others, I would say, just call the show Nick Fury and the scrolls and dum title dummies could be upset about it, that's fine. The dummies could be there weren't enough avengers. And I do agree with her on that there were not enough Avengers. I agree with them. Well again, uh, it's all within the context of the MCU, So yes, secret Invasion in the comic books is a larger, grander

scale sort story within the end. See you, they purposefully made it a Nick Fury story, and that was clear months ago, years ago, two years ago when they shot this, that was clear. So that's just an absolute bullshit criticism. Now, if you want to argue what was in the show wasn't interesting, fine, well that's my main argument. But yeah, it was never gonna be what the comic book was. That's a it's a it's null and void. I don't think that's an appropriate criticism of the show.

That's just it's dumb. But again, I thought this show baseline was it's hard to say a high floor, but that's sort of what I'm getting at here. The acting is so good in this show that, like, I enjoyed every episode. Now, the finale wasn't particularly good. I thought setup was pretty good, but I thought because of the acting, like there was almost no way the show was gonna fail. Yeah, I mean, I like Sam Jackson enough, I love his Nick Fury enough that I was

never gonna hate this show. Yeah, but having said that, I was pretty bored all that though. Yeah, we haven't hated any of the mc shows. I mean the closest to hating, I would say would be Moonnight, just for the lack of connectivity, lack of connective tissue to the rest of the world. The Soldier was I was just about to get there. And then also Captain America Boys, although very captivating in the first four episodes,

the last two episodes were terrible. Yeah. The left turn that that series took what really was bothered me, bothered the shit out of me more so than the finale does here. Also because the finale here sets up some some potential things and there are some possibilities. And then also in Moonight. So if first looking at these three, because these are my bottom three shows here in the MCU, I would just say that Moonnight has the best single

episode out of the three shows, but has the lowest floor. And this one probably is the most consistent out of those three. I think I have this fifth out of the eight okay, smacked down up in the middle. I mean, I have, you know, somewhere from six to eight, so we're not that far off. Yeah, And I think the top two are head and shoulders above the rest. The next two are head and shoulders

above this. Granted, your second in my second are different, but I do agree that yeah, two are better than you, but we have it's tiered similarly, yes, which is what I'm getting at here, Like the medical critics scores all being within fifteen points of each other is more so what I'm feeling than the audience being so far away on this one and she Hulk. It's just and we've talked about this a little bit. I think you have more MCU fatigue than I do, and I think that's starting to show

and might show here in this conversation. I'm still generallyly liking most of this. I just am also expecting a bigger Like if we get a big payoff at the end of this phase, I'll be perfectly happy with this. And I've lowered my expectations. I've already told you that with aunt Man heading and naant Man, I'm like, I'm expecting something a lot lower than what we've been getting and we did, but I accept it. I'm fine with all of this right now. I am, like you said, though, I'm

waiting for something big to happen. Yeah, and I think the end of the show has a bit of a to be continued on it as well. This show is created and written by Kyle Bradstreet. The only thing you'd really know him from was Mister Robot. He was a producer and writer on Mister Robot, which a lot of people really enjoyed. I sort of dipped out early in season two because I hate what's his face there, Aleck front of

the show. He's got something upcoming called Alice. Alice isn't dead, So if you've if you liked this series a lot, maybe check that out. This show is directed an executive produced by Ali Ali Salim Ali Salem he or she. I didn't check what the gender was. Maybe they has done a lot of recent television directing as well as some writing, but you wouldn't know

them from really anything at all. Their relative unknown Goose synopsis. Fury and Talos try to stop the Scrolls who have infiltrated the highest spheres of the Marvel Universe. It's a little overselling. That's a huge joe Ver Cell. Yeah, Earth is as a substitute for Marvel Universe there. Yeah, I would

say that's a big oversell though the highest spheres of the Earth. Yeah, it does feel like a lot of the show is way more low stakes than what we were expecting, And maybe it's an expectations thing again, who knows. But I also feel like what this whole show is centered around, and that DNA machine and whatnot, that could get to the highest level of the Marvel universe. So there's a little bit of a almost like a tease in that synopsis. Do this show stars? Samuel Jackson as Nick Fury, Amelia

Clark as Gaya. That's Talos's Daughtau. Don Chito Here as Rhodie. They have him credited as Roadie, which I think is bizarre. Kingsley, Ben Adair as Gravic, He's the main villain. Killian Scott as Pagan. He's Gravic's right hand man. Ben Mendelssohn as Talos. Olivia Coleman say that, I said, Olivia Coleman as Sonia Fallsworth. Charlayne Woodard as Priscilla slash Varro

that's Fury's wife. Dermott mulroney as President Ritzon. Christopher McDonald that's right Shooter McGavin in here is Chris Stearns, I really enjoyed the like the News Network parody stuff that was that was well done. Kolbe Smellers is in here briefly as Maria Hill as is Martin Freeman as agent Evan Ross. And then we also have Nisha Leah as Rava, who will talk about when we get into

spoilers. Good to me, this show is a pretty solid setup the whole way through five episodes through and West and I talked about that a bit a few days ago. However, a pretty anti climactic finale for me. Yeah, it just felt a little lame, a little neat, little too neat.

Well, it has the same issue that a lot of the other MCU shows have of like you have this different type of show, like this was at least different than what we've seen in the other MCU shows, but we get in the final episode the same ze finish of not the greatest CGI. I'm not blaming the animators, it's just what the budget of the show is better than some of the other ones. Yes, yeah, but you get this battle in the sky, you get the lights and the flashes and everything

else, which it's just stuff that we've seen before. Yeah, I think, and we'll talk about that again in spoilers. I think they thought that was going to be cooler than it actually was. But in concept sounds pretty cool. Yes, for sure. I'm sure when it was storyboarded it looked awesome. All that negativity about the finale though, however, they have sort of left some interesting possibilities on the table here Goo and like several threads there that I want to tug on, and I'm like, oh, this good

lead to this, or this good lead to that. So they sort of did a good job and I don't want to compare it to this. Maybe you will. What is the name of the Dark World? How Dark World wasn't great, but it ended up being meaningful. I think down the line, the show's gonna be if this sets up Secret Wars, Like if this is just a stepping stone that when you get into Secret Wars you don't need all this like backstory and everything else, so you can just jump right into

it, I guess that it's worth it. I'm thinking other stuff, but again we'll wait for spoilers for that. Also, again, the acting was fantastic in Here to Me. There was good enough intrigue throughout the first five episodes to keep you invested, keep you looking forward to the finale. It just didn't deliver in that finale, but again, it might do that going

forward. Also, no post credit at the end of this series I found very frustrating, especially with the next property coming up directly linked to this. Somewhat linked. Somewhat linked, I mean Nick Fury and scrolls are in the movie. It's pretty linked. I don't know if there's gonna be much about scrolls, but yes, look at the trailers. There's a lot of scrolls in there. Yeah, I'm not saying that scrolls are a part of it.

Yeah, and maybe a character from this should be a part of it because of what she can do now right Again, possibility is that a saying? Is that a jingle somewhere? I'm gonna have you pulled that from the board. We'll get to it at the bottom here. Maybe you'll pick up on it. Possibly been a tease. I'll tell you, wait, wait ten minutes or five whatever we get there's okay, gauntlet, Okay, the gauntlet here mac first one up here is fun factor, and I think there

is not enough. I think there is. There's two or three moments in here where I'm like, oh, that's pretty cool, but then immediately felt bored right after. I think that's a fair criticism. I oddly and I criticized you for doing this on your short lived podcast with Wes. I actually had fun looking at day my name Heisenberg, which say the name of my podcast, which was I don't even remember what it was called MCU at home. Well that was like the general one, and then we flipped it every

single time. What was the name of my Loki podcast? I don't remember? Get help, okay, yeah, what was the name of my wand of in podcast? One of them was really long. I remember that that was on purpose. Oh it was what if we talked about Marvel's what if? Would you listen? That's the one And the answer was for most people was no. I really did have fun looking up stuff that about the episode. After the episode, I found myself watching all the new rock Star videos

the moment they came out. Yeah, and this is oddly the first series of the eight that has made me do that a little bit though, because I got confused in some of the episodes. Well whereas for me, like you mentioned, I had that really successful podcast and I was doing that after every single one and it just felt like homework after a while, and that's what this felt like. It didn't feel like homework for me because it did fill in some gaps, so it felt necessary. Okay, well, I'm

just I'm I'm overlooking up stuff immediately after episodes. Mac. The next one up here is you're satis fact or how satisfied were you by the show? And much like you mentioned, anti climactic ending did not help. Um, there's two or three things in here that yes, you do want answers for still, so that kind of leaves some intrigue but not super satisfying. Yeah, pretty unsatisfying conclusion. Ultimately, that's which which you're probably sort of what

this means going forward from the six episodes itself. I think a lot of people will get to remember the unsatisfying conclusion. I really want to say the thing that it was very satisfying for me, but I'm going to hold it off for the anti sport anti spoilers. No, that's not the word spoil the actual spot we're in the anti spoilers borometer, very very boring. Um. I don't agree about very but again I'm not gonna argue. There was a lot of talkie talkie and not a lot of punchy punchy the first half

of the series. I can't say I was bored, but those first two three episodes certainly could have used more action. But there was also some very intriguing dialogue in there. Yeah, problem is that intriguing dialogue needed better payoff to it, I guess ultimately, but this wasn't a great show for like checking your phone because if you missed a minute a dialogue at Actually, but I have so many games on my phone, obviously a jousting game Halloween.

Well, this show wayne over time for you. I guess, just needing to go back and check on some Easter eggs for future stuff. Otherwise I don't need it. Yeah, Like, rewatchability is not high here, However, I think we may be now this isn't a guaranteed. We may be looking back at this series for massive ramifications going forward. Question for you, and think about it very very shortly. Maybe milliseconds rewatchability? Is this the lowest in the MCU so far? It might be right, maybe, maybe

it's in the discussion for sure, top five at least. Well, yeah, there's only eight shows, so well, I'm saying the entire MCU oh, oh no, I think it's it's above eternal. I think it's a round top five though for rewatchability, not even intrigue while watching the show, I'll have to look. I'll look, I'll look at a bit. I said, you get one millisecond, give me a yes or no answer? Where do you eat the moon? If it was again, I think they

did a good enough job probably making this show matter going forward. Equator better or worse than twenty seventeen's Aquaman on the line above the line? I'm below the line. I think the quality of acting in here like undoubtedly puts it well does but Aquaman is more fun. Redheads? Am I right? This is above the equator max credit Union? Who are you tossing credit at? Because you know I thought was actually pretty good and I haven't been the biggest

fan of her in the past. Is Amelia Clark? Oh, so you didn't love her in Thrones on? Everyone liked her. I liked her in Thrones. You didn't like her in Terminator. I did not watch that. No, that wasn't very good? Yeah, good enough. I thought Amelia clarket Live in Coleman were obviously great, but we expected them to be great.

That's why they got cast in here in the first place. I absolutely loved Kingsley ben Adair, who I had never seen prior to this, and oddly enough he was in Barbie, which just came out recently, so good month for him. I just never seen him before, and I thought he was as good as anyone in this show. Yeah, and I thought like especially leading up to the final episode, I thought he was solid. I thought he was really good, especially in his little monologue at the end.

I thought that was a very good job by him. I thought he was like legit scary as a villain. He was a very good villain, one of the better villains we've seen recently. Pants, Tan City, Excite, bike Mania. What got you going from this show? The possibilities going forward a bit of a cop out, But Campbell's Chicken noodle abilities what a payoff? What ain't payoff? Pull it? Put it on for us guys on the board. Please flip the cassette over to side B to content the adventure

Chicken. I did not see that coming, and it's in the notes. It's in the notes, and I still didn't see it coming. I don't know how to read down there. Um, this show was devoid of a Pats tent unless you love the Final Battle all that much or or I yeah, no really just the final Battle was a possible pants tent. But the pants tent is gonna be hopefully a payoff for what this show was fighting over.

What everyone wanted is gonna be the real pants tent. Here. Before we get to the hot Dogs, let me ask you about the AI theme song opening credits thing. Did that upset you? I watched it once, I said, I liked the songs, and the imagery is kind of cool. I skip every time for every show, like even Peacemaker, which everyone loved, they skipped after the first one. All right, Well to the Mac and Goop party. We rate everything on a forty hot dog rating system,

and Mac, I'm not sure how much I enjoyed this show. I think you could have tightened it up a little bit, and maybe had. And this is something that Disney needs to look at in general, or Marvel

needs to look at in general. I know that they're trying to, you know, consolidate their stuff and not just put out a bunch of shows or a bunch of movies in a year, But is it worth it maybe doing made for TV specials, like having this as like a two and a half hour, two hour made for TV special where then you're filling in to get to these movies, because I'm not sure we needed three hours of this. Yeah, I actually almost am on the opposite end of the spectrum there.

I felt like there should have been more meat on the bone in here, and it felt like there probably was at one point. And again, they shot this two years ago, so that obviously went for some rewrites and some reshoots, so it almost feels like there was more to be done there, especially at the end, and they chopped it off. Well you mentioned two years ago. I also feel like I would have liked this more if it came out two years ago. I think it would have been it would have

been more connected to the stories that we were just with. This feels like it's so far apart from what we've seen over the last couple of years. Yeah, but to your point, if you do think it's going to connect to the marvels that much, then that's kind of null and void. Nothing in here really felt new or fresh to me, and that is an issue with a lot of the MCU stuff right now. But if you can do

it great, it's not as big of a deal. I don't think anything in here is done as well as say like a Guardians three, where like that might not have been the freshest movie, but everything in it is done so well that you're still going to enjoy it. The acting is very good. I do like the acting, Like you said, I like Clark,

I like Jackson, I like Ben a Deer. And the story is solid enough, but not enough payoff, Like you got a little cliffhanger at the end of every episode, and even the payoff to all those cliffhangers aren't that good. Didn't really hold my attention as well as it should have. I'm looking around a twenty four hot dog. Oh harsh, it's a little hard. That is that the lowest score you've given to the eight shows? It is, but in retrospect, I should have given some lower scores on some

other shows. Okay, all right, fair enough. So you're gonna have to go in at some point and reorder your your MCU. Don't tell me what to do. Qu yes again. The finale to this, which secret evasion, espionage thrilling stuff, was just way too neat, not messy, enough for or something that was supposed to be kind of messy and again anti climatic. They really hit you over the head with Nick Fury's love life,

which especially at the end, but I thought that was interesting. In like episode three, one of the best scenes in the whole series was when him and his wife are sitting at the kitchen. To great spoilers, he's married. It's not a spoiler. I thought he was a free wheeling, swinging bachelor to need at the end. However, I do like this potential witch hunt direction they're going in, so that's a positive. That's one of the

positive one of the threads I'd like to pull on there. I'm very interested in a couple of characters and what they're gonna do going forward, Sonia, Fallsworth and Gaya. I'm very intrigued by by where they're gonna lead us. I'm also very interested in this whole machine DNA technology stuff and where that plays out. West and I talked about this going into the finale here Red Health

possibilities, Fantastic Four possibilities. If you remember, many Fantastic Four get their powers when they're working on something in it explodes, right, So maybe they're working on a machine like this, it explodes until they get their powers. I thought it was a good show with great acting and a pretty lackluster finale, so it isn't a balance and it makes it hard to score. I got this like thirty one, thirty two, Hot Dogs, twenty ninth overall

in the MCU, right in that Ultron Multiverse of Madness range. And I guess that's kind of fitting because though all three had better promise and sort of didn't quite meet the bar that we thought or we had hoped or expectations, maybe we're too high. And just below this is She Hulk and Far from Home. Okay, So if we're looking at shows, I would have that

in the bottom three. I would have this in the bottom three, with Moonnight and with Captain America Boys. I've already said Moonnight one great individual episode, like one that if you just want to watch one episode of a Disney Plus show, go watch that. It's amazing. But then like Cat Boys

was really captivating. Like I said earlier, first four episodes and then one ZMO left, a lot of the intrigue left, and then this show it's consistent throughout and it gives you these little nuggets but then they just don't pay off on those nuggets. And also everything that is meant to be a surprise in this show isn't. Yes and no. There were a couple nice little like oh okay, but they also led the left the bread crumbs out there for you to sort of figure it out. Middle tier Miss Marvel and She

Helk. I like those better than these shows, and then the top one. I still Loki doesn't get enough credit. Loki is such a good show, and we mentioned how like a lot of these shows have very similar finales. Obviously, She Hulk is different, they went into a completely different direction, but the other ones are all like, let's have a big Kiki Kiki smashy smashy party, and Loki is just discourse. Uh yeah, Loki was the best payoff. Yeah. Well, I also really really liked Borderline,

loved Hawkeye. Those are my top two. I like Hawkeye. Hawky is my third. I like WandaVision more the first eight episodes of WandaVision Actually sorry, episodes three through eight of Wan Division are awesome to me. I like the second half of Wan Division. You like the first half of Wandaion. I like the middle don't say the second half whatever, Yeah to me, Top two Loki, Hawkeye, middle two one division and Miss Marvel in its

own tier. And then I think I have this clearly above the bottom three, which would be she help moon Night and Falcon and went to Soldier, but not that far above those Top two Falcon and went to Soldier definitely eighth for me. Shall we spoil? Let's get spoilers. Spoilers, spoilers, and Mac before you say anything, is Gaya two op at this point? Ah, she is. I almost feel like there's gonna have to be taking away from yeah, a reversal of some powers. Were taking these back until

we need to give them back to you to conclude a movie. There's got

to be something going. And also the fact has the powers of like twenty but not only that she has the powers, but she knows how to use all of the powers, and she knows like what everyone's special abilities are, whereas m Benn a deer there really only knew to use the Strong Avengers the strong character's powers, whereas she knew to tap into like Mantis being able to put someone to sleep or ghost which I thought ghost was actually a really cool

part of it. But I'm like those aren't very well known things. How much studying has she done? How does she know all of these abilities? H Yeah, it's it's clear, I think because she's been around the Avengers

in this I know. But so say if but it's clear that she was like smarter in that fac But also say if she didn't know how to use the abilities of all of them, and like there were still more on the board that you could tap into later on, like those like specialty people that would at least add like, well, how is she going to use mantis in the future, whereas she used you know, sleep powder early on? She used agility early on when most other people are just doing flamethrower. Yeah,

that's a Pokemon reference for you people at home. Goo. I'm gonna quickly run through here what we learned during this series before the finale. Then we'll get into more finale stuff. If you use poison early on, mac the other came on, they'll you know, slowly lose HP. I like sleep powder over poison. I said sleep powder earlier. I didn't want to say sleep powder twice. Tell me another one. What's another one? Paralyzed powder? Oh, paralyze is good too. Yeah, but sometimes they could

still attack, which is absolute horse shit. So I like it when the other one is paralyzed with fear. Yeah, there you go. Everett Ross was a scroll. We find out in the first episode, and obviously at the end there he gets released, but we don't know so his timeline I'm very confused about, Like, I have no idea when he was taken in. It had to have been post the first Black Panther, yes, because he gets shot in that. Yeah, and he didn't revert to Scrull,

so sometime after Black Panther. And we don't know exactly one because the other one obvious, this is one that everyone's talking about all over the internet is don Cheatles Road Chody if you will. No, it's not Chody, it's Grody. Sorry, we call him Chody if we want, I suppose, but uh with him because of the fact that he was still not able to walk after he gets out of his pod, or he doesn't have his you know, braces on his legs whatever it is. Yeah, he's still in

a hospital gown. Yes, yes, And that is at the end of Civil War, which then makes you question, has this been a scroll since Civil War? Which would make sense for some parts of Endgame and Infinity War, because we kind of mentioned this during our Endgame podcast, but he was very mean to Thor and Thor's weight gain. Am I wrong? No, you're right, You're right about that. So him being in a hospital gown. You have to read into the fact that he became a scroll shortly after

Civil War and that means go several things. And first of all, what's tell us talks about how Fury got to where he got to in Shield. Because of the scrolls, you sort of have to think that someone we met in Phase one early on was probably a scroll. So we find out road he wasn't until after Civil War. I still think there's probably a big player out there that's a scrib I certainly hope, so, because if it's just him, that's kind of lazy, right, If it's just Roady, the

one that we all thought was a scroll, I agree. But if Rody was swapped out post Civil War, that means at the end of this series, he doesn't know about the blip and he doesn't know that Tony Starkstead. Yeah, So that's gonna be a really interesting thing for that character going forward and actually makes him a more compelling kid, you know. What that should have been, the post credit that would have been, that would have been, that might have saved it a little bit from me if because don Cheatle.

I know that we mock the character on the show a lot, but don Cheatles a great actor. That would have been a great post credit, a chance for him to actually act and not just be a fucking lifeless idiot, which he mostly is through most of the MC this. He was terrible in this. And I'm not saying I'm not no, no, I'm I'm not saying him like at like acting in the show. I'm saying his character sucked. It's a really bad guy. Yeah, his character subbed Maria Hill

gets killed here by Gravic in the first episode. Actually, sorry, question for back to uh scrotl there scrotium. Do you think that so if he in fact was a scroll during Infinity War Endgame, that when he showed up to work the first day Cheatle showed up to work, someone just went up to and whispered, by the way, you're a scroll And he looked around like wait, what so he had to act a little bit different. Do

you think he knew ahead of time that he was a scrull? No way no chance he knew until this series, but he did act a little bit different. Yeah, but also people can change. People can change. I used to be a piece of shit. That's true. He used to be a piece of shit. Uh good. We find out the Scrolls are living in the abandoned Chernobyl area of Russia and have renamed it Scrollos, which I leave is the name of their home planet, a bit like a New Asgard

type of I'm sorry. One more thing with Scrody. I'm I saw a point. We can still get to Scrody going forward. I saw a point online which makes complete sense too, is that at the beginning of endgame, Scrody goes up to kill Fanos and he sees this big open planet, you know why, a very livable planet, and he never reports that back to the other Scrolls of like we can take this planet? Was Rodi off earth? Yeah? Oh well yeah, right when they went to go kill him.

Okay, yeah, yeah, which is a good point. I think that's a pretty good point. It would be hard to transport all of them there just hop on his back. He's a war machine. Uh quote we uh what I mentioned a little bit already. We learn in a pretty riveting conversation between Tylos and Fury that they're now at least a million scrolls living on Earth and they all came post Splip, which coincided with Fury being off Earth,

so that's interesting. And again at the end of this finale, we see that basement with Fallsworth and Gaya with there has to be thousands of humans that have been replaced by Sculls. And that's the thing I was talking about that felt like there was a little more to that final scene that they just didn't show us and they just cut it off. There's no post credit there, so that's gonna mean something going. But they started this pre blip.

It's just that they went harder post blip correct like they've Yeah, maybe there was hundreds pre blip something like that, maybe a thousand, but they obviously took over Earth when there was almost no human I almost wish that they started this like two thousand, like they were here for five years and they were like, you know what, Fury is not getting this done, Let's start our revolt. And then they saw a Shrek and they're like, now is

our time, dude. Gravick becoming the leader of the Sculls that whole thing that was decent. I was pretty intrigued by Fallsworth throughout this whole series because you could tell she was obviously working against Gravick, but she wasn't exactly aligned with Fury. And now after the series finale, she's definitely not aligned with Fury. She's aligned with Gaya, and it seems like she's probably gonna have something to do with Valentina Consuelo, Right, it's probably gonna be. I

think it's a different team. There are just so many different teams. I'm in secret wars. Maybe the big secret is no one knows what team they're on anymore. But there's so many teams at this point. That's how it should be. It shouldn't be just one massive superhero team. There should be factions of superheroes sort of aligned but maybe going against each other throughout the world. So it's kind of like Invincible, where there is, you know,

just so many different teams of like A squads, B squads. Yeah, a little a little bit like that, because we're so deep in at this point, and obviously with Valentina Consueler and the Thunderbolts coming up, and now with Fallsworth and Guya in possession of that machine and that technology. I think it could mean that's how we get Red Hulk. Yeah, or again, this is a little further down the line. I think the more I think about it, the more it makes sense. I think this is how they

introduced the Fantastic Fours with this machine. But also so she's almost like Superman to the point of do you need a team around her? Because she has all the powers, like Captain Marvel, doesn't even really need a team around her. She could pretty much if Thanos didn't have the Powerstone there, she would have taken Thanos out by herself. Yeah. I again, I'm not too worried about Gaya going forward. She obviously is very overpowered at the moment,

but I feel like something's going to happen there. I'm just I'm not spending too much brain. Guya, where did all your powers go? I took a really big ship after that, and a lot of them just left my body. There are a couple of coup moments during the season when we first st Extremists and you know, Gravic using some of the powers. Okay, so thank you for bringing that back up. That was the first time

where I'm like, oh, that's very cool. When he used the grood arm yeah, I was like, okay, let's see where this goes. And then he marks his right hand man with the crude arm um. It was a cool moment seeing that guy. Up until the finale, no one knew besides her that she was a super Scroll, so she was saving that in the whole two Fury thing in the finale was a nice little like too fast, too fury correct, sort of saw it coming, but that was

a nice little thing. The other thing I'm wondering here, and this is a little complicated by my Fantastic four theory, why would Gravic set that machine off with Fury within it as well? Because do you think that they've run tests before and humans couldn't withstand taking on those powers, So he wasn't worried about that there's a lot of radiation in it. He was trying to, you know, give him a nice slow death. So it might take someone as strong as a Scroll, I guess, to sort of take on believe,

yeah, something like that. And maybe being outside of that machine maybe when it explodes, is how you could possibly get a power. But there's something a little bizarre about that. Why Gravick just wouldn't leave Fury out of the way to take on those things. Not a bad final fight scene. Some cool moments in there between guying. I thought the ghost part was cool. Yeah, I like it was just all mostly armed stuff. It looked like Marty. It looked like Marty when he had the one really strong arm.

It's also, um, I liked the ebony mom moment. That was pretty cool. That was cool. But when she had the Drax arm, I was like, that looks really fucking stupid. Uh. Yeah, the scale was a little bizarre, Yes, it was. I thought Talos has sacrificed to save the president. It was great. It was a cool moment for Talos, who has sort of lacked that since we've seen him this whole run time. And it does show at some point they'll be able to say,

hey, these scrolls actually helped helped save the President's life. Who the President is now out for blood for all? Yeah, so with him out for blood for all non Earth creatures, I'm species. I'm trying to think of what the word is he going to send the as Guardians back. It's interesting. It's gonna be interesting to see how that plays into it because he signed a treaty and is at the bottom of I think Wakanda forever saying that

the es Guardians have you know, land here or something. I can't think of thee. I don't think they're in America, are they? No, No, they are. I think Iceland something like that. Yeah, yeah, ye, Iceland as green and Greenland as ice. That doesn't matter a ton, but the fact that I just told you that matters a lot um. This whole harvest situation is also pretty interesting because they just have this one vial with like thirty people's DNA's in it, which, by the way,

whenever they said collecting DNAs U I giggled. I giggled every single time. I'm a child. I've seen some people online raised the fact that some of those people weren't in the final Yeah, ghost wasn't. Yeah, but obviously they've been collecting samples over time, they've been building it up. Yeah, that's an easy thing to explain away. But I just also imagine like Furies in there. He's like, all right, you're in the Avengers. Jerk off into this cup? Why no reason. They're like, oh, I

just did a couple of minutes ago. All right, Well, like in a couple of hours, can you jerk off again in this cup? Um? That which stuff? I think is kind of cool going forward though, ye like that. That's gonna be a little bit of a wild card. And as we already saw, the British Prime Minister comes back, she gets shot, had already replaced herself. She ends up getting killed for real. Fury, how is your day of the Hulk jerked off into this cup?

Fucking huge load? Oh that what happened? Iron Pandy jerked off in this cup? I has collected I collected jerk offs all day. That's what idea? What do you think they did for black Widow just jerked off into this cup? I made a hand motion like this below the screen. Guys, Goude, what are the final moments or the fire hair? This DNA DNA its hair. Fury's final moment on screen during the series is him and Vara and a nice makeout sesh before they go back up to Saber. And this

was just a little too much. I sent you the photo. I said, what in the world is this? Then that's what made me question. I'm like, okay, so clearly they have fornicated when she was a lady and makes you think. It just makes you think of which I feel like he's always had a thing of, Like, you know, if she's green, I'd probably still do it. Which there are some nights, you know where you are just in that mood where do you know you do? I mean, look look at you. You know you'd do whatever. I know,

green, blue, purple, it don't matter. I'm gross, you're green. Let's go. Um. I do like that little tidbit, like how they came back together, because I thought this woman was a very good actress. I don't know if she'll be playing the scroull going forward, Vara, but a nice little moment that he accepts her for who she is, she accepts him for who he is. It's just we didn't really need it at the end, especially the tongue. But it was so like it wasn't

for me. But I could see someone watching this show and being like, you know what, this has kind of jumped the shark, right, that's a shark jumping moment. Correct. I don't know if it's quite that, but yeah, I could see people getting pretty perturbed with it. Go you had to figure guy, I was gonna remain in the MCU going forward, Otherwise he wouldn't cast such a famous acts. Correct. I'm still a little disappointed that graphics not in play going forward. I thought he was genuinely great

and a really good villain. Yeah he was good, but he's also he always felt like a one off. Yeah he did. So it's more wishful thinking than anything. I just wish we some of the villains. I wish we have more of going forward, and that most of them end up being one offs. Anything else on Roady want to talk about Rhadi again. That is a pretty interesting thing going forward, and I think they still have Armor Wars on the horizons at some point. I don't know, because they've already

said that we're gonna cut back on some of these shows. Armor Wars feels like an easy casualty. Yeah, probably, But his next appearance is gonna be pretty interesting because he's gonna take in all these So if he was taken post Civil War in the MCU. Time wise, it's been eight or nine years that a scroll has been Roady, it's a really fucking long time, I know, but I still need one bigger player to also. I agree with you, I think we need another phase one character that isn't Roady and

he wasn't even taking it also needs to be a human. It can't be another alien because that's true. Oh you mean this alien was also another alien like Pots, for example, Pepper Pot, Like that'd be but no, that'd be too much in Stark's crew though, Like, don't you need someone else in a different crew? Oh so well, I was gonna say, maybe Happy Hogan, there's a scroll that's another person in the same crew. I know, but it was a heavy Tony Stark crew the whole time.

Like, what if you find out that he was in the back. What if you find out that Flash Thompson was a scrull? I don't think they were placed sixteen year old kids. What if you find out that Neil not Neil? I think Neil's real name. What's his name there, Peter's friend. I'm blanking on his name right now? Oh oh yeah, yeah, I forget the fuck I forget his name. Zendia. What if Zendaia was

a scrulla? Like it's pronounced Zendia again. Go yeah. My biggest hope from this show going forward is it creates the Fantastic Four or something like that. Otherwise I don't know why you would spend so much time on this DNA stuff if you weren't going to use it to the good guy's benefit at some point. Also, I just want to like just one person be like, oh, how did you get that DNA? He's like, well, I got from the battlefield. How did you really get that DNA? So you

wanted the post credit of Fury collecting jizz cups? No, just someone like him admitting, like what he'd like that that'd be. So I either want the really serious roady ending of him finding out that he's been gone for so long that Tony has died, that a lot of his world is gone, or them talking about Seamen one of them. I think the Avengers, Towers and Bass probably had some sort of thing where he couldn't enter it unless it had your DNA and detect your DNA, So maybe that's how they got it.

Put your cock in this stick your dick in this hole. Please get anything else from this show? No, that's it. It was. It was a good not great show with the lackluster finale. That's that's my tay. And once again I thought it was really cool because don't take away that good's a negative, Nancy, I thought it was cool when he had the grood Arm grid arm was great and it would have been great if you said,

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I fucking hate that movie. I'm not a fan either. You know, I'm gonna guess slash hope that he likes it, because otherwise that's an odd thing to get. Yes, that would be bizarre. It's like, oh, I fucking hate that movie. I got this tattoo. All right? Yeah, what do you want to do first? Barbie and or Oppenheimer next week? Um, let's just doing like the same episode. Well split it though, Let's do Oppenheimer comes out first, because you and DJ already

talked about Barbie. Then we'll do Barbie. Okay, we'll figure it out. There's more of a gap. There's more of a gap. Yes, we're gonna do three episodes next week. No, no, so there's more of a gap between the two Barbie episodes. Oh, just well, it's gonna be one. It's one podcast, but then two different youtubes, two releases, two releases. Yeah, you're gonna double release it all like the movies. No, like a Tuesday Friday. So that's our two episodes next

week Friday. Next week is Turtles. No one's seen an opening weekend. Make that the Monday. Hear me out. It's gonna beat out both of these movies in the box office. I mean for sure. Well and by the way, to that point, gut. The two most packed theaters I've been in non screener since COVID were these two movies, Barbie and Oppenheimer. If it is projected to beat the two movies, we're doing Turtles on Friday, it has to be projected. I'm gonna be. That's our bet.

That is our bet. Okay, it's not gonna be, but if it is, I'm look. I am looking forward to the movie. But I will say spoiler. Barbie and Oppenheimer, they're both in my top six on the year. I think I'm seeing Oppenheimer tonight in Barbie is not in my top six. Barbie's in my five to eight range, but I think I have a fifth or six Oppenheimer. Goot, it's a masterpiece. It's not my favorite, no looking forward to it, but it's fucking so good.

Killian Murphy puts on I think one of like shortlist greatest performances of all time. It's a movie that was very difficult in the fact of I was on vacation this past week, and it's one that you cannot sneak away to see because it is half of the day, it's three it's three hours, it's quite long, and I did check my phone once. I'm not gonna lie, all right, So Tuesdays or Goose Days, I abuse kangaroos. Now

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