Let me first off say, Mac, you look terrible. Oh well, thank Youku, I can pay that right back to you. You look home. I am wearing a this is a feed the Homeless shirt, So yeah, isn't it really? Yeah, it's good. Well, you wear in a bland sweatshirt. You're not shaving. Your hair doesn't look great. You look I might look bad, but you look homeless. So the reason why you look bad is because you've shaved your mustache. You have gone against the
family. I would kiss you right on the mouth right now, and you know tell you that I'm gonna kill you in a couple of days. But you're not gonna be around in a couple of days because you were gonna go to sunny beautiful. There is enough daytime to go around Hawaii. Yeah, I wasn't sure if I wanted that mustache to last in pictures forever, so I went ahead and shaved it before my trip to Hawaii. But I definitely
don't look better, I'll tell you that. And speaking of us not having you know, sunlight during the day anymore daylight saving day saving time, we lost art. We were given an hour and it pushes the sunlight towards the morning as opposed to the end of the day. But what it also does is for those of us who have young children and animals, pretty much the exact same thing. We are still on the old clock because children do not accept the extra hour of sleep, and I am just getting up at like
five am every day. And because of when we've jumped back, we lose like three, two or three more minutes of sunlight every day. It almost feels like that after a week, even though we only jump back an hour, it feels like we lost two hours of sunlight at the end of the day, Like I would say, without it being the holiday season, if not for us, for everyone putting up their Christmas trees early, this would be the most depressing time of the year, without a doubt. Who needs
sunlight at six thirty am. You don't need it. I would prefer it at six thirty because I'll I'll tell you this right now as a father. Can I speak as a father? Sure? Sure you have the floor? Yes, So my three year old son, it's easier for me to tell him to stay in bed if it's still dark outside. I can say, hey, it's still dark, we need to be sleeping. But if the sun is beginning to creep up. He's gonna say, no, daddy, you shut up. Yeah, he doesn't know what he's missing. He sees
the sunlight. There's definitely something going on that he's missing. And here we are, look at me, look at a fucking homeless person. One go three, Yeah, just three. King of Queen Mill Street Entertainment, dime goo and I'm man. And here we are chasing our own tails or swallowing our own tails. What are we doing with our tails? I don't know, so where a snake. To be clear, that was a leading takeaway or a leading thought after episode five, but I think we have some pretty
pretty firm clarity on that situation after episode six. Yeah, and I'll tell you this right now. So we're gonna talking about Loki season two. And I love the amount of detail, intricacy, foreshadowing that they do in this series. They could have been shorter. The second and third episodes felt like we wasted a little bit of time, but by the end of episode four, I I was a little confused in the middle of the last three episodes, but I really liked what we got in the last three. Let me
say this and we'll get into all the nuts and bolts. We'll get into our hot dog scores, We'll get into our octagon. I'm gonna tell you this right off the bat. If this was a two and a half hour movie that came off the back of Loki Season one, I think this would have been the best MCU movie since Endgame. If it was a tight two to copy everyone's taglines for everything ever, well, no, but I gave Endgame a forty hot dog. I'm not gonna say this is a forty one
dog at whatever it is. You think that if this was tighter, it'd be better than Guardians three. I think if they made it and like the last three episodes, there's a heavy focus on Loki. So if there was the heavy focus on Loki, if they tightened the first three episodes into say forty five minutes, and then they gave us that great ending, I think this would have been better than Guardians three. Yes, okay, And to be clear, Goo and I are pretty high on Loki season one. We
had love Loki season one MCU show. We both have it in our top tens. I think too on MCU overall, So we are pretty high on this property in general. And that's that's a conversation actually we could have right now. Goo. So Loki season two is TV fourteen rated show out on Disney Plus right now, Goo. This is in fact the forty first into the MCU and the ninth season of television that we've had in the MCU. But how should we treat it too, because technically it's still under the Loki
umbrella. Yeah, So are retreating season one and season two differently or is it all under the same umbrella? I would say all under the same umbrella because it happens right after the first season. And you could even just look at it as one twelve episode series because they're not going to do a season three. This is for twelve episodes. Like they talk about the snake eating its own tail. That's how it starts and that's how it ends. It's
perfect. Yeah, if you want to go buy letterboxed rules. You can only rate Loki in general. You can't do a season one season two split. But I almost feel like you could treat this like a sequel to a movie like we do for most things here and rank it as such. Yeah, And if this was a sequel to the first season, which it technically is, it's season two, and the first one was only supposed to be a series, so like a mini series with the six episodes, but did
really well as a sequel to it. Granted, like I don't love all the other characters around Loki. I don't. I'm not attached to them personally. I'll just say I look, I love ob He's a great side character, great comedic relief. Get into LBS. I really like Mobius too, And but you have that space, you know, he's time slipping in episode one, but then you have the two episodes after that. They're just kind of meander and we don't really get into the good stuff once again, like
the good Loki stuff once again until the final couple episodes. I saved that and you could have Okay, but also like you could have done that, But you could have done that, let's get the gang back together. That could have been twenty minutes of a movie that I'm sorry, I'm just so excited to talk about a pretty good MCU property. Well, yeah, I'm trying to figure out how we as a podcast should rate it. You like, to me, it's a clear continuation of the story and the themes in
season one. However, a lot of the movie sequels are as well. Then we do get a pretty satisfying conclusion at the end of season one, the last episode that would be good with with doing it either way and go. If you compare it to how we talked about the Marvel Netflix stuff, we separated those by season. You're right, you're right, but this one also feels like the most of a continuation out of all those. Yeah.
To that point, the finale episode in season two is titled the same, trying to say that the last three minutes and you wouldn't let me get a word glorious purpose is season one episode one. I know that we're jumping around a lot here, but the show also I'm time slipping around this episode. Don't mind me. Time keeps on slipping, slipping into huge and also the distant past the guocher. Thank you. This has an incredibly satisfying ending to
me. You know what, Gou, I agree with you. Yeah, Episode five was losing me a little bit as we were time slipping my interest. Like I just said, Episode five, getting the Gang back together could have been twenty minutes of a movie fifteen minutes of a move a little bit, Yeah, and it confused me a little bit, but episode six, if my erection was going down, yeah, I got full shubb in episode six. It was. It was both a satisfying confusion for the viewer and
for the character of Loki. I really like closing shot. Okay, so first off, it felt too strange like at first, but then they had a divergent timeline that went elsewhere and it made it awesome, awesome, And it's like, Hittleston is so good at this character. Like I like looking back at it, Loki's been around for a very, very long time. This character has been around for so long, and they've evolved this character so well. Yeah. We used to talk about how Thorpe probably had the biggest
transformation in the MCU, but it's definitely Loki. Yeah, to the point of and I don't know if this is his last property, if he'll be in uh Secret Invasion, if he'll be in some but like he's kind of the lynch pin. Now. Yeah, there's a lot of interesting things. So uh, before we jump in the nuts of bolts real quick, we talked about last week the news dump, the tweet from someone talking about how the MCU is fucked because now they can't use King going forward because of what
happens in the Loki finale. I have two thoughts on that, but I think that person is so far off because you know, I'll give you I'll give you half of my thought here. Yeah, this was clearly planned from the beginning of season one of Loki what they did here. So we got swerved, as MCU viewers hard. We bought so so hard into Kang, and they had a very clear plan from the beginning, aside from John than Major's stuff. Now, I think that helps them do a little bit of
a swerve here. And I'm trying to remain as spoiler free as possible, but they had a very clear thought in mind when they began this series, and it didn't have anything to do with Jonathan Major's also, Like, I don't want to spoil, but I don't see how they're fucked with the Kang situation. I guess, so that's we'll save that for yet change what happened in season one. No, it doesn't. It doesn't change much of anything
other than like one one storyline. But that's it so right, that treat and that person is a fucking If anything, it makes it more interesting for sure, it makes it more anything o the nuts and milts as quickly as possible because I want to get back into this. You know what, this show, although once again whole thing didn't exactly do it for me, very interesting and it almost it didn't have the episode by episode intrigued that say WandaVision did for me, but by the end it was getting close. Yeah,
we could talk about that coming up in a minute here. So Goo Loki season two is an action adventure in fantasy, and I think we I think we should just decide to review this separately from season one and rankings. Season one six episodes, with a total run time of three hundred and twenty three minutes. That's roughly fifty four minutes an episode, so just under six hours in between five and six hours of television. Here Goo on Rotten Tomatoes.
Now this is this begins this conversation sort of what you're getting into. Eighty two percent from the critics, seventy six percent from the audience. Now, in comparison, season one got a ninety two ninety split overall. This being the ninth season of MCU television, this is the third worst audience score and I do not agree at all. I think the audiences just kind of soured
on these properties. I think that's I think that's all it is. That's that's one hundred percent what it is for reference, Loki season one ninety percent, Hawkeye eighty nine percent, Moonnight eighty nine percent, WandaVision eighty eight percent, Falcon and Window Soldier at eighty two percent. Above this is Crazy Miss Marvel eighty percent. I sort of get, but I like that more than
most. And then of course you have the two the bottom dwells their Secret Invasion at forty eight percent and She Hulk at thirty two go on Metacritic. They're sort of echoing the same thing that the audience is saying. So I
think it's just a general fatigue here. This has a sixty five season one out of seventy four, which ranks third amongst the nine uh Miss Marvel seventy eight, one Division seventy seven, Falcon and Winters Soldier also seventy four, and then the bottom three other than this are oh, actually Moonnight at nice sixty nine, if She Hulk sixty seven, Hawkeye sixty six, both of those above this Secret Evasion sixty three. So I think it's clear that there's
a general fatigue from everyone. Well I can not us though I'll also say that, like I wasn't really all in on the Sylvie story, I wasn't all in on the Rent Layer story. Uh. The Miss Minute stuff was intriguing, but also didn't really do anything by the end. So like there is they two try and give you other characters, but the focus on Loki
is really where it's at. I agree with you. I do feel like now I sort of forgave it the first couple episodes, but I do feel like Sylvie's wasted most of this season, and as meaningful as Miss Minutes and Wrens Layer are early on, there's no real payoff at the end of that for those. Only payoff that you get is a story that Mobias tells at the end once again that great story though it's a great tie back that's all, yeah, but also builds out those two characters in their relationship a little
bit more, which I very much. Also very just upsetting ending with Mobias for me, just like a like a tear upsetting not a tear, But like, as I think about it, it gives me It's not the shivers, what the fuck are the shivers? I'm not Cold Mac. But it's one of those things where it's like like a yeah, like I would hate we'll do and spoilers bring it backup in spoilers because I don't get anything away put a pin in the Mobius. I'm gonna put it in the notes.
This show is created by Michael Waldron. He also, of course did season one, so a continuation there since season one. Goo. He was one of the two writers on MultiVersus Madness, which obviously didn't go all that well. He was notable. He worked on Rick and Morty. He's a production sister assistant on Community. I think that's how Figy kind of brought him into this fold. He also wrote the show in the two years Heels, which has done pretty well and going forward. Goo. Waldron is signed on to
do the untitled Figgy Star Wars project, which was announced. Yeah, he's not doing it. He's not doing it anymore. FIGI said he's out on Star Wars. Fig He's out. Yeah, well said his Star Wars thing has not happened, okay. Waldron is still attached to it on IMDb, so there are no more Star Wars movies. Get over it. Mac Waldron is also attached Goo which is very interesting and we can talk about this and spoilers Avengers Secret Wars. So again, I think they had a very clear
plan going through this series, separate from the Jonathan major stuff. New writer brought on for this season, separate from season one, had nothing to do with season one, at least credits wise. Eric Martin who co created and wrote Heels with Waldron and also worked with Waldron on Rick and Morty and Community, so obviously a writing partner. Let me ask you, do you think this season is funnier than season one? I don't know. It attempts to
be bringing into the mix definitely helps. And then there was some real hijinks at the beginning of the finale which I actually kind of like, yeah, and situation episode three is very uh, it's kind of goofy, it's kind of silky, yeah, yeaheh. I agree. Waldron also gets a credit on four or five of the episodes, and Catherine Blair does three or four of the episodes as well. Goo The four best episodes of the season were one, four, five, and six. Those episodes were all directed by
the same people, Aaron Moorehead and Justin Benson. The other two episodes had two new directors. I don't think it's the director's fault that those episodes are probably the two worst. It's just a I think it's just a filler. I think that's just how they decided to tell the story, that's all I
agree. Also to note here, gou Now, I don't remember if this was the case for season one, but Tom Hiddleston is now an executive producer on this show, which obviously is a is a. I think that's how you keep these guys coming back, is Look, we're losing a lot of the original characters. I think he is someone that you want to try and keep around for as long as possible. I agree with the transformation of this
character and what he probably means going forward. It's worth keeping him around, and he's been phenomenal doing but also how he can transition this entire universe into other characters and what this character can now do, Like, yeah, that's a really interesting story to be told, for sure, And because because they've built him up from villain to anti hero to quasi hero, we're rooting for it too, so it's really weird how that will play in but also hero
but also someone that could slip back into doing some bad stuff. Yeah, there's potential for that as well, no doubt, gu. Because this season is still attached season one, there's no synopsis to be found, So I wrote a little can you make up some words and tell me gu synopsis. Loki must deal with the fall of Sylvie, killing he who remains in the season one finale branch, timelines and variants are jeopardizing the TVA, the Sacred
timeline, and the very existence of Loki himself. I thought that's a decent
enough summation of what goes on here, Gou. This show stars Tom Hitelson as Loki, Sophia Di Martino as Sylvie, Owen Wilson as Mobius, Wound, me Mosaku as Hunter B fifteen, who plays a much bigger role in this season than she did in season one, Googu and Batha Ra as Ravana Renslayer, Eugene Cordero as Casey, who also plays a bigger role tars Strong is miss minutes, they introduced Keihu Kwan as Obi Oborias I believe his name
was Jonathan Major's returns as He who remains and also plays Victor timely obviously the same character, but variants Raphael Cassol as Brad Wolf slash Hunter x five, and Kate Dickey another notable character here as General Dos sees the character that is still trying to play out he who remains his plan in the middle of the season. There, So any thoughts before we get into the octagon. I think we've already kind of gotten into our spoiler free thoughts as we've really tipped
into possibly spoiling. Yeah, the only thing I'll say is it's hard to review this on the whole, so I think keeping it separate is the way to go. So let's do that fun factor. How fun was this show? And like I've kind of mentioned, I think the journey with Loki was the funnest part. Yeah, there's not a ton of fun in here. However, seeing him jump back and slip to places is kind of fun. And also I think just a built in science fiction thing when you're talking about
like science that we don't understand is kind of fun. And then every time Keihu Kwan's involved is fun. So there's like fun throughout, but it's not outright fun factor. And like I mentioned earlier, I was I was really satisfied by this ending, and I also like I said, I would like to see more of this character, but if this is the last time we see him, I'm okay with it. I just want more. I agree with you, and I was a little down on this show after the end
of episode five. I didn't know what we we were gonna get. And I'll tell you, I was very satisfied by the conclusion of this show for a multitude of reasons, but the main one is where the low key character is left off, and that final shot I thought was great. I thought it was awesome. Borometer. Yes, it does tick quite a bit,
but they also were laying down so many layers of the foreshadowing. Everything that they have in the TVA is done with so much detail, and if you pay attention to all of it, I'm sure it's telling us more stories. It's more Easter eggs. Go and check out new rock Stars. I'm sure they have some great breakdowns of that. That's not what we're here for. No, No, I have all that. But yeah, there was a
little bit of bore. Yeah, I agree. Episodes two, three, and a little bit of four, when we're trying to figure out where it's going and they're spending a lot of time with Timely and way back when there was there was some boar there for sure Halloween well our interest Wyne over time and actually after I finished this season. So I finished it last night and I've been thinking about it a lot the last couple hours. My wife still
has not seen Loki Season one. I want to restart the series and watch it all over again with her, Like now, I think that'd be pretty cool having them run together instead of taking you know, two years off whatever there was between here. It's always it's almost always like a wait and see with the MC at this point for Halloween, like this could mean more, could mean less. I have a feeling it's gonna mean a lot going forward, So I don't really feel like it's gonna wayne Ween Pants Tent City,
Excite bike Mania. What got you going from this show? I feel like the show was lacking a big pants tent moment until the finale, and we got one in the finale, at least in my eyes. When you see that Loki character taking those steps in that tape form, all right, stop it stops. I thought that was fucking awesome. I will say, though, I think the pants Tent the excite bike Mania of season one might have been a little bit higher because there was so much intrigue of what could happen
after that. But this was very, very sad that whole because of the way it was set up and the cheese behind it. I felt like the whole season one finale was a pants tent. That's not the case here, but it did reach a decent pants t Max credit Union. Who are you giving credit to? I? You know, it's hard to give it to anyone, but Tom Hiddleston is Loki because he really carries his show. It's like a I don't know how to just it's it's like an O seven Caves
thing. It's Lebron and a bunch of not so good players and it's it's sort of what's happening here. The other characters are decent. I love O b I love, but meaningfully it's just Loki. Sylvie doesn't do much, you know. Actually Majors is King or Major's is timely I really like as well, But it's so heavily Loki centric that he really is putting up a Lebron like effort here, especially in that final episode. Yeah, that final
episode is it's so fun factor Actually, that's really fun. That final episode is really fun, great episode. I'd also like to give credit once I know I've been saying, you know, I don't love a couple of these episodes here. It could have been tighter. But what they do of building out the TVA, what they do of putting all these Easter eggs everything else in there, like, they do deserve credit for that. Yeah, and
in the characters in general. Even though it's heavily on Loki for what actually happens, because Mobius is so likable, because ob is so likable the whole runtime, you're still enjoying what you're watching. And like, miss minutes had me really intrigued for a very short amount of time. That's true. Well, yeah, just like me a couple of minutes that I'm done. For those of you tardy to the Mac and Goo party, we rate everything on a forty hot dog rating system and Mac, like I've already said, I
would have loved a tighter two and a half hour movie. I think this would have been from start to finish, almost perfect from what you got from season one. But I do feel like they meandered a bit in the first half of the season. But it does all come to I think a great conclusion, especially if this is the last time we see Loki or if we get more out of this character. It's really open ended. It could go either way. I'm kind of fine either way with it. But the evolution
of this character, Hittleston as this character I love. So I'm at thirty four hot dogs, but I could be pushed to thirty five motherfucker uh or just seemingly in the same rage these days go. So I'm right on that thirty three to thirty four line here. You if we're treating it as just the one season seven from season one, I think I got it thirty three, thirty four. I could be talked up thirty four in that like twenty five to twenty seven range, but maybe it's up a little higher than that.
I'd have to reassess all that if you want to. If you're a listener at home saying no counted, it all is one if you fold it into the first season of Loki. If you combine and say thirty three and thirty seven, which is what I have the first season at, it's a thirty five, and that drops Loki from ninth on my list to like the thirteen to eighteen range. That's all thirty five. But if I guess, if I do give it thirty four, if I do give it thirty four
instead of thirty three, you could argue it in the top twenty. It's just it's it's there is a little bit of a bore, and I don't think i've I was let down by the end of the season. I'm let down with what Sylvie means though it seems like that's my major gripe as so, Sylvie's the lynchpin for season one and she's pretty meaningless in season two. I mean she he does push him towards what he does. Yeah, but so do the other six characters. You know, they're all sort of one
Yeah, Ross, Rachel, Joey, Channlrmonica, Phoebe. They all push Loki did this in honor of Chandler. I know this has nothing to do with the show Loki, but I keep thinking about Paul Rudd telling the story of when Friends wrapped, and he kept on going up to people that had been there for like two hundred and twenty five episodes. He's like, guys, we did it, and he was on like thirteen episodes. I loved that he was, so I actually read a little fun fact because all these
friend stuff has been coming out after Chandler passed his character of Mike. Yeah, was only supposed to be in a couple episodes, but the writers loved him so much that that's where they made phoebe Mary because originally she was supposed to marry the Hanks Area characters. Oh okay, name, I forget, but I love that that everyone just loves Paul Rudd, that he's inevitable.
Is it my turn for a friend's fun fact? Yeah? Go, I've been watching Talk showed me this is Matthew Perry had a Batman room in his house. Oh okay, so is Matthew Perry going up your friend's rankings based on I think? So he had a full room that was wall to wall batman statues. Oh statues, Yeah, Like he has statues in cases, like glass cases, like big built out batman's. He even said he was like, yeah, people don't know what to get me anymore, so they
just get me batman shit. It's sort of like you yeah, mey, you at you that and turtles. So yeah, a little lesser of a Batman guy, but I respect that, all right. Max Shall we start spoiling spoilers. Okay, so let me get into the Mobiust thing for a second. His character ends with so he goes back where he was kind of taken from and he watches he's able to now let time pass and he essentially gets to watch himself raise his kids. So there's a moment in this in
episode five. And now I don't think Moby's does Mobias remember jumping back? I don't know, it's I guess that's not even worth talking about. But in the after part of the finale, it's it's it's not even a post credit, it's uh, just a part of the show. It's a part of the Yeah, that's sort of an epilog prolog whatever the one that is that comes at the end. That's a nice big log. We see Mobias go back to see what his life was on the Sacred Timeline. Yeah,
and he's sort of longing for it. I don't I don't know if he has regret. No, but he's no. I think he no. I think he does quite a bit because all right, may I speak as a father real quick. I know that you can't comprehend this, But if I had to watch myself raise my son. I feel like that would be really difficult. Well, so I don't think he stays there, no, But I'm just like, but even if he sends a little bit of time there,
he's gonna let some time pass. Yeah, but if I had to watch myself and then critique what I was doing, like, that's it's tough. Well, part of it too, is he's been with the TVA for so long, Yeah, that time is no longer a construct for him. So he hasn't experienced time passing really ever until he goes back onto the Sacred Timeline to watch what his life was. Yeah, so I think he's also trying to wrap his mind around time as a construct because all of these TVA
characters don't experience time at all. They're the same always. So that's like a whole underneath layer that the show deals with a little bit. But when you really think about that, that's pretty fucked up. Episodes one, two, and three. First episode we're dealing with the time slipping. He's going
back with his original characters, he's learning more about the TVA. But then episode two we get the pruning of the branches, and I feel like episodes one, two, and three of Loki getting back to the TVA, the pruning of the branches, and then us going to get Timely. That's a very good start to a movie. That's a very good forty minutes of a movie. Good first act. Yeah, I agree, I agree with you.
It's just it just went on a little too long. And then once we get like towards the episode three, episode three into episode four, and they they're getting into like saving the Loom. Yeah, in Timely's technology marrying with OB's, it gets a little muddy down. And also so then you get to episode five and it gets confusing because now you're getting into what you were talking about at the beginning, the snake eating its tail? So does
Obe and Loki create the TVA? Like it's all cyclical and you don't now Loki has created the TVA, and you can't really point to who's doing what and what what means what? And and then they're also trying to and I think it does land at the end. But in episode five, it's like, look, he just wants friends, and you're like, all right, he wants to watch friends, Like his motivation is that he just wants his
friends at the TVA to be all right, kind of. And I don't know if I really buy an episode five, but by episode six I think I do. But it gets muddy down a little bit for sure, and then you get into the all the science fiction stuff and the technology and you just sort of don't get it. But what I did like, and it's something that at least I figured was gonna happen from the jump. When Loki starts time something, you know, at some point he's gonna be able to
grasp that, yeah, and master it and make it an ability. So that's what happens in episode five. He jumps into the timelines of all everyone at the TVA and figures out where they've been, and we find out ob is a science fiction writer as well as a professor, and his at home workshop basically resembles his TVA workshop. I like the parallels there. We find out Mobius is a father of two and a jet Ski salesman, and he
just lives a pretty normal life. Either of two sons, much like how he could not take out one of the kids, who then kills five thousand people. Yes yep, and is also parallels there, with Loki and Thor being the two sons of Odin. We find out Casey is essentially Frank Lee Morris, who is the Clint Eastwood character from Escape from Alcatraz based on a true story Escape from Alcatraz. That was I don't know. That was like that was almost a shark jumping moment for me. It was kind of annoying
too, And there is I did steal it. We find out B fifteen is like a doctor pediatrician, which is I don't really care for that either, So that that's what I'm talking about. Like episode five was sort of I was coming down. The Chubb was becoming a quarter chub instead of a half chubb. It also felt like Sylvie. By episode five, we really feel like Sylvie's being wasted because I don't really understand her motivations anymore. What
does she want? Does she just want to live? She wants freedomymous the timeline she wants, she wants yes from everything being determined for that. She wants to live in an anonymous life. But in order to do that, she now has to save the TVA. So that's her motivation and that's why
she does not want a sacred timeline. That's why she does not want the pruning and bringing back to what he who remains had and episode five is so heavy on character stuff in building out our characters, but it really lacks Rens Slayer and Miss Minutes. We don't get either of them in this episode. But I will say in episode six, when he barges in the doors like I need that guy, that was actually a really funny response by them.
I'm like, oh, yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah. My takeaway from episode five, before we get into the finale, it felt like, and now starting to the internet stuff was chatter starting to get to me a little bit. It felt like this season was simply in place to save the temporal Loom so that the TVA could stay in place for a Deadpool of three. Now I don't feel like that anymore, but coming away from episode five, that's what I felt like this was. It felt like this was serving
a purpose for Deadpool. Now I no longer feel right, but now that is the god of stories. He is, Loki who remains that pretty much now tells me that by him taking all these new timelines that he has control of and he can tell his own stories in, that's where the Mutants come from, That's where the Fantastic Four come from. He's taken all these new timelines that Sylvie created and he's kept them alive. Yeah, I guess that's
essentially what happens at the end here, And I don't know. I'm sure there's gonna be like a poisoning moment for his character to be not so good anymore, but we'll get to that in a second. So the finale Glorious Purpose again the same title as the first episode from season although sorry, just
to stop you for one second. I would love and I'm still we're not sure if Hemsworth is still here, if he's done with it, but I would love to just see really quick Loki and Thor back on the screen together, real quick, just so that Thor can be proud of his brother and who he's turned into. Yeah, do you think there's gonna be a moment down the line where they're gonna free Loki from that from that burden. I'm
not sure. But I also really thought in this episode there was gonna be a quick jump back to when he was on Asgard, like a quick thing of maybe him with his family. Yeah, okay, I that there was definitely a moment because he kept jumping back further and further, But then he's like, no, I gotta go do my job. I think though, that is the difference between twenty twelve Loki and the Loki that dies in Infinity
War. That's probably the difference right there. So we start the finale jumping back to Timely Sacrifice, and we get a whole Groundhog Day type of thing, and now Loki is fully mastered the time slip, but once again it does resemble the Dormamu scene of Doctor Strange going back and forth over and over again. And we even get all this green magic, which is much like obviously the Ayavagamoto, so that at first I'm like, oh, this is cool, but we've kind of seen this, but then they go further.
Yeah. And on top of that, the main difference once we get to episode six is he's no longer jumping his body into the time and place. So there's two Lokis. He's jumping into the Loki's body from that time and place, yes, which is a massive improvement from the time slipping, which is obviously how this whole episode plays out. We see, like the Timely stuff, they actually make it work, but it doesn't actually work, and
then we get Loki jumping back to the season one episode. Yes, the season one finale where him and Sylvia are fighting and you get sort of another Groundhog Day moment, but then you get a really cool scene which is sort of another pants tent. Here King realizes that Loki's time slipping and he finally stops him and they have a great, great conversation, great dialogue, great
scene. Yeah, and Loki does not want to kill Sylvie. He just wants to convince her diplomacy to not kill this variant or not kill He Who Remains, and that's when you know, he slips and he's like, he's like, look, everything that happens, it's just going to happen, and
I don't mind being killed. Reincarnation. Yeah, and I think we sort of forgot about this because they make it pretty clear in season one that this temporal Loom is just in place to protect He Who Remains and really no one else, So just that one timeline, the sacred timeline, and that Loom is just protecting He who Remains, And maybe we knew that as audience members
and viewers, but Loki finally realizes that in this episode. So he's fighting a losing battle and he has a great line in here he goes, I'll change the equational. Well, yeah, he looks at a giant whiteboard and he's like, how do you like those apples? So then he slips back into his original TVA like intake interview with Mobias from the beginning of season one,
and Mobius is talking about the big picture and another great quote. Mobias says, most purpose is more burden than glory, and Loki is realizing there's no glory at the end of this story for me, at least not at the moment. It's it's gonna be a burden to do what I have to do. So then Loki slips back into the timely sacrifice, you know, that time and place, and he goes out there and starts, you know, sort of doing this like yeah, yeah, this great little walk.
A lot of the colors are kind of like the Byfrost Yeah, true. And there's a great shot of him walking on this Byfrost type bridge where his cloak or his disguise is getting wiped away and the horns and the cape are coming back. And then it continues when he explodes the loom, when he rips open the loom, which I thought was cool. All these branches almost come to life and look less science fiction ing and look more like alive and
like they're like moving more. And he grabs on to one of these branches and they look like they're dying, and he uses some green Loki magic and like ignites it, reinvigorates it, and he does that with all these branches as he's walking along, and there's a really cool shot of the branches becoming one with Loki's cape, which is fucking so cool looking. Now, I
bet that's probably straight out of the comics. We obviously haven't read the comics, but that's really cool and it's a really cool visual and it seems like we're getting this god of stories Loki, right. Yeah. And there were a couple really good lines in the like one liners in the last couple episodes where like Sylvie telling Loki we aren't gods and Loki pausing, no, we are gods, right, and like and you're like, oh, he's forget
that. Sometimes he's gonna do something godly here. And then the glorious purpose, all that stuff like that it fed in really well. Yep. And then they have this great shot of Loki sitting on the throne closing in close on his eyes, and then it flips to show that it's no longer left to right, up and down and it looks like a roots of a tree, and then branches of a tree, which is much more optimistic and less Cain killer. I could be wrong. Is that an as Guardian like logo
symbol thing too? I'm not sure. I'm not sure either. I'm not gonna say that it is. I'm just thrown out there or like it might be. So then it cuts to the after this epilogue pro I think it's epilogue, sorry, before the epilogue, before the before your big log at the end here. I also, I think the funniest part of this series might have been when he was time slipping and finishing people's sentences. Yeah, and like, let's let's try this again, and Moby's like again, yeah,
I get what. I really liked the shot two of them watching Loki as send and they're all in the shadows. Yeah, so you just see the outlines of them. That was a great shot. The cinematography and the last like fifteen minutes of the show was fucking phenomenal. So we get to this after part and again instead of left to right the loom now goes bottom top top bottom, however you want to say it, but it resembles a tree branches and roots. And now Miss Minutes is helping, is Miss Minutes
over king, and he who remains has she been reset? I don't know. That's that's a question that is remaining to be, so that could play into it. And then you have B fifteen asking Mobius any king variants? Do any king variance know we exist yet? And he references the Quantumedia King. Yes, that gut gets taken care of. We see ob with the second edition TVA Guidebook, which does not make it into the hands of victim timely, so they cut off the timely timeline. He no longer means what
he was supposed to mean. Then we see Rens Slayer in the pruned world, and it looks like that's where Aloith still is. There's no real clarification there is. She just destined to remain there forever. Maybe she's done, who knows. Of course, we talked about Mobius going to see what his life was like, and it seems like Sylvia, I guess, can just relax and bop around as she seems fit. Yeah, I mean Loki's in
charge now, she can do whatever. It just seems Sylvie's wasted now, which is a bummer because I don't I don't think she ever, Like would she come back in a in one of the Avenger movies coming out. I don't think she thinks, so I don't think she would. But Loki looks at peace here goo in the after. It looks like he's he knows it's a burden, but he looks at peace, which I think is a pretty fitting end for this character, at least for now. Maybe there's a to
be continued Oku. What I want to get to is in reference to that tweet talking about King and how the MC's fucked now. Number one, where are we left with King? What do you think happens with King going forward? Because obviously Timely doesn't become the central character that he was, but there are still King variants out there that we're worried about, or at least the TVA is worried about. So I think that they're still going to play a
part. But their job now is just to keep track of these guys, okay, because to me, it seems like their endgame was Loki becoming God of Stories. All along, so they are not fucked with a swerve from King to something else here. In fact, I felt like, now you know, with with having step stepping back and seeing what this was, King was really a great foil for Loki and making Loki whole through this series. And I don't mind at all that they're swerving from King because the King build
up came from the Loki show, like it's it's it's sort of. It doesn't mean matter all that much to me, and it does truly open up the MCU to a villain like doctor Doom. And that's not because they have to swerve to King. It's intentional. I think this Kang stuff was all intentional to get located to where he needed to be, and now this opens it up to a Doom like Villa. I also think this doesn't kill like that. If you want to do more with King, you can still do
more Ken. Yeah, for sure, It's just that whoever tweeted that, whoever got that info to that, who a person who tweeted it is a moron. There's two because this was so clearly planned. If they had done it, where Loki kills Sylvie so that she does not kill he who remains. Then you can be like, wait, are we shifting back towards this one? Right? That would have been lazy. That's the ending of season one still happened, Yeah, one hundred percent. Like that's I don't know
what people are missing here like it. I mean, maybe they're disappointed they don't get to see some king variants battle it out, but that might still happen. Yeah, there's still a lot on the table. To me, this is a better conclusion to anything I had thought up or anything that this was. Maybe you didn't write a better ending. No, this is better than anything I had pictured, even though it was teased a little bit, you know, New rock Stars was talking about God of Stories and whatnot,
but I didn't know what that character is. So I just really like where this show leaves looking in the characters and the MCU. The MCU is wide open for the taking. And of course Loki's I guess in charge of everything. He's at the end of time sort of stuff. But I don't know how much he can affect things now. I hope he can. I hope he can. So I give this season thirty four. Season one with a thirty eight overall. Loki the twelve episodes thirty six. Yeah, I might
be a tig below you there a twitch? Is that? None of those in the words looking now stop. I think I'm thirty three to thirty four this season. I can't. Maybe it'll lean thirty four after I'm thinking about it more. I just really like where it ends. Let's get into and MAXXAC could be anything. It could be a boat and Mac. First off, I have yet to see the Marvels. I'll be seeing that over the weekend. We'll talk about that next goosday. By the way, and we
talked about this too. This is the first MCU property movie wise that I have not seen, either Opening Night or sooner since twenty fifteen. Yeah, I don't know what it is for me, but it's been a long long time for me. That's a little I'm a little disappointed with the higher ups there that are in charge of getting us to those spots well, But I still I'm optimistic on what the Marvels is gonna do. And I already know what the post credit is because it's been leaked for fucking three weeks. But
I'm intrigued as to who's gonna be left going forward. Here we haven't seen Monica Rambau and what is Miss Marvel's Kamala Khan. Kamala Khan. We haven't seen them on the big screen yet, and I really liked both of them from their appearances in the MCU prior on the TV side of things, so I'm excited to go see it now. I don't think it's going to be a world beater. I don't think it has forty dog potential, but I
don't think it's gonna be bad. So also, the acting strike, the SAG acting strike has come to a conclusion, meaning that things can pick up with their productions again, and we now have a new MCEU schedule, and of course these are always subject to change, but it's looking like we're only getting one EMCEU movie in the year twenty twenty four, and that might not be a bad thing. It's gonna be Deadpool three. It's gonna be a big ten pole movie. What's up? I think it's in May July twenty
sixth I thought I read May the other day. I have it here on discussing film. Yeah, I think we have this conversation before. I still think it's May. This was released January than May no, this was released yesterday, so thank you. All right, all right, you know what, whatever, There's only one movie next year, and I think that might be a good thing. Give everyone a chance to kind of kill a little this fatigue off. And you're also giving us one that I think everyone wants
to see. This is beyond just MCU fans, comic book movie fans. People want to see the Deadpool movie. Yeah, we've got Echo coming out in January. I don't know what they have planned for the television side of things, but just Deadpool for a movie next year works twofold number one. They're gonna have to line their ducks up here, the Marvel people, Kevin Faigi do number two. It's gonna give the fans a chance to build more intrigue. Yeah. When it's when the markets saturated with stuff, you don't
really miss it. Yeah. No, we just get Deadpool next year. It gets it's gonna give us a chance to miss things. For the most part is after we've seen one of these movies since the start of Phase four, all we're saying is, all right, what's next. Yeah, that's it. And I think that's maybe why people have fatigue. I still like, I still enjoy watching it. I'm not gonna have anything to watch going for I just want a good story. I just want a nice story.
That's all. I agree with that. And then in twenty twenty five, after you've had your break, you're gonna get four movies. You're going to Captain America, four Fantastic Four, Thunderbolts, and Blade. I mean, those sound like they should all be good. So again, get your ducks in order, do your Deadpool three, fucking swap the timelines, bring the X Men in, bring the Fantastic Four in, and just make it work.
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