Gen V: Season 1

Before we do anything, Mac, just a quick reminder for the people at home. We'll be at Idle Hands craft Aal's eight and nine Commercial Street in Malden, Massachusetts, this coming Wednesday, November eighth, for Disney trivia. Yep, if you have seen a movie, most likely you've seen a Disney movie, So that qualifies you for our trivia next week. And based on our last one, it might be real competitive, because Disney ones always are anyways. But we had a tie in the final lar in our last one,

so maybe we'll end up with another one this time. But looking forward to it now, it'll be mostly animated, if not all animated. Uh, don't forget that pick Star will be involved, and I wouldn't sleep on bed knobs and broomsticks. Wow, a nice big market teas for the folks there. If that doesn't get the kids there, I don't know what will. What do you think about the timing of us doing Friends trivia three weeks ago Matthew Perry dying Do you think it's really I would say absolutely, without

a doubt in my mind as a matter of fact. Okay, all right, I just figured i'd how to ask that. Yeah, well, Mac, as you may or may not know. I have a three year old son, and maybe the greatest perk of having a child is now getting back into Legos. So do you mean like buying legos? Are you actually now building them? Well, you buy them and you build them. Usually you

buy them for him and then you build them. And you know, as a three year old, he's a little psychopath that just takes everything apart. Immediately, You're gonna just start super gluing random ones so he can't get them apart, right, And you know, born in nineteen eighty nine, we didn't really have the sets, like the license sets of like all these great ips that now work with Legos. So the world is my oyster. Yeah.

I remember specifically my favorite set as a kid was this castle one that came with its own like base that was a non Lego base that you built on, and uh, I had so much fun building that. I specifically remember I'm probably like days, if not a week, ind of building it because you know, you are a kid and you know stuff fall directions and whatnot. But I remember getting really close like final pages of build that I pushed down too hard on one of the walls and it like ripped open one

of the walls and I had to go all the way back. It was. It was one of the more frustrating memories I've ever had. Wait a second, was this the castle set with the horses the nights? Yes, it's like a jail cell. Oh, that's the one that I had too. It was so good, but we had it at my grandfather's house and he would only let us use it if he was sitting there with us.

I'm glad you mentioned the horses, because now I have a vivid image, yes, of those Lego horses the nights with the little the little plastic silver helmet, and there were some like Glow in the Dark ghost too. Yes, it was spooky as shit. Exact same set, yep. But I think the best thing about buying Lego now is that when you buy them, the people that work at the Lego store make you feel like you're smart, like you're like you've done something really good. Like the other day, great

decision. Going with the other day, I bought a Christmas set. I have like fucking five Christmas sets now because we're gonna, you know, build them up for December. That'll be our new tradition. Legos at Christmas. But as I was buying this one hundred dollars set, the guy at the register is like, great choice, this is gonna sell out. It's a really smart idea, and I'm like, fuck, He's right, like, oh, is there anything else I should get? I was like, what

are there any more Christmas sets? Do I need another one? What am I missing? One? Good? Three? Yeah, jos three King of Queen Mill Street in Dame. Goo and Mac and we're the Mac and Goo program. We bring you college friendship. I will say, now, uh, you know, we both went to uh colleges. One is still I did not go to college. One's still around, one is not. I'll let you decide who's disappeared. But I have to say the four years I

spent in college completely and fundamentally changed me as a human being. I may never use my degrees ever again, or ever one time, but the growing up experience alone, I think is worth it for a lot of kids, a lot a lot of in the same way, like some people grow up getting sent off to the military. That's sort of what college was for me, just much more expensive. So something that this series, the show does, we're talking about gen V today, folks, is make the boys world

a little more relatable. That was one of the main things I really liked about this. Well, it's also bigger, and you're you know, seeing more of like the minor league system of what they're dealing with. Yes, for sure, there's there's a good deal of world building going on here. GOO. Now, not to pull too far behind the curtain of myself, but I did not go to a traditional four year school, Mac. I was an electrician for a while. I went to school for that. I

then went to art school. But as you said, you know, you kind of learned who you were and your four year degree. I would say that if I were to have gone to a normal college, a four year college, I might have died. Well, I've always said I was deciding between so that I went to Assumption College, Worcester, Massachusetts, decent school

whatever. Nothing right home about what I was deciding between was that and you Amherst, which is on the opposite end of a spectrum, small private Catholic institution, massive, you know, top ten party school in the country. I think I would have died if I went to UMass. You and I both well said some real, really questionable things. You knew me during my I would say rockier years. Yeah. Do you think that I would have survived the four years? No, if you went to a place like UMass

Amherst, most likely not. I don't think I would have either. I think we both had moments where we were doing dumb shit and drinking too much, as a lot of you know, late teen, early twenties people do. But I think the relatable thing in this show is not necessarily the university thing. Is a young person trying to find their path, trying to figure out their meaning. And that's what this show. That's the relatable aspect of

this show for sure. And Mac once again, this show is gen v It is a spinoff of The Boys, but you say spinoff, it's really more of an intertwined all was just another season of the Boys, but with different characters. Yeah. When this show was first announced, yeah, And even when I first started watching the show eight weeks ago, and even when we were talking about it four or five, six, seven weeks ago,

I was hoping for more spinoff and less tie in. And now that we're at the end, it's basically another season of the Boys, and I guess I'm glad it is at I was at the end of it, and we'll get into this with spoilers, but at the end of this, at the end of my couch, I'm sitting going, how are these guys gonna now play into the story? I didn't know that I needed these people in that story, but now I'm like, this is awesome. I agree. I

agree. They fucking swerved us in the hardest way in the finale, and I fucking loved that they did that in a very in an insanely frustrating way that really only a show like The Boys has been able to do before they do it again here and it's I don't know. This show is just to me. I've said it before when I finished episodes of this show, I'm like, man, there's nothing like this on television. It's like head and shoulders above everything else, right now, give me nuts and bolts, all

right? Gu Jen V is a Prime video show. It is rated TVMA, It is all sorts of things, but it has it listed here as an action, adventure, comedy, drama in sci fi, which it is all of those things and does all of those although I will say gou one of the distinguishing things between this in a season of the Boys a lot less humor in this. There's some, but a lot less. I would like there's a couple, yes, there's no like really big laugh out loud moment.

There's some funny moments, but nothing's hilarious, and that's intentional. Gu This was eight episodes totaling about three hundred and seventy five minutes, which he goes about forty seven minutes an episode, which is I think a very good both the episodes eight and the runtime length per episode forty five to fifty minutes is like the sweet spot. That's perfect. I don't think we needed any more, and if we had gotten less, I think we would have had

more questions. I think they use their time properly. I think you can say this about the first three seasons of the Boys and this. When you finish the season, you're satisfied and left wanting more. Yes, they've done it really good four times now, although season two maybe not on the level of the Season two of the Boys might have been the only one round. I wasn't blown away by it. I liked it, but I was like, Okay, that wasn't quite as good as the newest feel of one.

But then three brought you right back into that the season two. When you're now looking back on it especially, it feels there's like feels like we wasted some moments in there that there ended up being meanless coo on Rotten Tomatoes. Right now, GENV has ninety seven percent from the critics, seventy five percent from the audience, which is bizarre. I don't know, and we saw this with Season three of the Boys, actually ninety eight percent from the critics,

seventy five percent from the audience. I don't know who's watching gen V that are mostly coming from the Boys and not liking this. I don't understand that. How is a quarter of the people not liking this? Is it a comic raider thing? Is there a gen V comic? Doesn't it just mean the boy is We should have looked that up, We should have looked at I have no idea, but it's weird, especially in contrast Season one of the Boys eighty five percent from the critics, ninety percent from the audience,

So nine tenths of the people at that time liked it. So maybe it's just a volume thing. Maybe more people are watching and now that could be that leads to less people like it. Who knows? Season two. That's why we get more one star reviews because it's more people, that's all it is. It's the only rest season two ninety seven percent from the critics, eighty two percent from the audience. So we're seeing the critics are kind of all around the same these last three ninety seven, ninety eight, ninety

seven. The audience has been kind of steadily going down. Yeah who. On Metacritic, this has a seventy three compared to the three seasons of the Boys, which are seventy four for season one, eighty for season two, which I think is actually like definitively the worst season out of these four. I would say, yeah, but I'd still have it on the Mount Rushmore. It's still in the same like roughly in the same tier. You know, it's not that far off. That was a good Rushmore joke. Becau's

only four. It was only four to choose. Thank you for explaining the joke. You know what I said yesterday because someone said a joke and then no one laughed, And I'm like, if they don't understand the joke, they don't deserve to laugh. Season three seventy seven. So again, all of these are operating and roughly the same territory. Goo. This show a bit different from The Boys, where Eric Kripkey is the main show runner there, creator of the show. Of course, he was from Supernatural, he

created that show and Gou. He also wrote that Clocky Walls movie which was terrible There's a Clock in My Wall. And of course you know he's the main contributor there the Boys. It's an even split here, at least as far as the credits go. Evan Goldberg, Eric Kripkey and Craig Rosenberg. We know Evan Goldberg all too well as well. He is Seth Rogan's writing partner. You'd know him from the Ali g show, super Bad, Fineapple Express, this is the end. He also did Preacher and Goo. He

was the writer on TMNT Mutant Mayhem. That's a big win for you. Craig Rosenberg here is a little newer to us. He wrote The Preacher and also has been writing The Boys. So this show obviously is in very good hands because the people that made the Boys are making this show. Then, of course we have to mention The Boys the comic book series, and I'm assuming gen V is based on the comic book series by Garth Ennis, who obviously probably doesn't get enough credit that he deserves. On our level, the

show had seven directors, not worth mentioning. I didn't the directing didn't help or hurt this show, so we'll move on from that. Synopsis from the world of The Boys comes gen V, which explores the first generation of superheroes to know that their superpowers are from compound V. These heroes put their physical and moral boundaries to the test competing for the school's top ranking. Not a great synopsis for what actually happened, but a good introduction and introduction to this

show. Yeah, because early on it really is, you know, feeling guilt for what it might for what might have happened in your life, but then realizing that the people that you feel guilty about, you know, doing stuff too, they're the reason why it happened, right, very good point. This show stars Jazz Sinclair is Marie Moreau. Apparently there's an easter egg from The Boys season three where we see her picture on a computer screen when

Hughey's at the adoption agency or whatever. That's a nice little little easter egg. Chance Perdomo as Andre Anderson, Lizzie Broadway as Marie's roommate Emma Meyer. Matty Phillips is Kate Dunlap London Thor as Jordan Lee. Also Derek lewis Jordan Lee. This is the first time I've ever seen a character like that. I really liked that. I don't. I don't. They don't necessarily explain how those powers work, and that's totally fine, but I really like that

dynamic. Yeah, I think they'll explain that one more. And then also, who is ant woman the that's m Yeah, I want them to explain her stuff a little bit more because you get something new in the final episode. Yeah, that is there more going on here. Yeah, she's really still discovering and all these people are really still discovering their abilities and honing them. Asa German as Sam Riordan Rorden Reardan. Is that how you pronounce that

reardon? Sounds right to me. That's our main crew of like god, you you know, young adults. Yes, we also get Shelley Kahn as Dean and Deri Schetty. She was pretty good. Alexander Calvert as Rufus. He is like the blonde telepath psychic guy who has an incredible moment in the middle of this season. Maya Jay Bastidas as Justine. She's the social media one that like dupes Emma at the beginning, she bit yeah good. Patrick

Schwarzenegger, the Arnie's son, plays Golden Boy here. We expected him at the beginning of this season to play a much bigger role ultimately than what he does, but a large role he plays in the Theeless Sean Patrick Thomas's Polarity. That's Andre's father. Marco Pegosi as doctor Edison Cardoza. He's the one in the Woods laboratory sort of working on this whole thing. Dan Byrne plays social media Jeff. He's the one that is sort of in charge of dealing

with all the god you top ten. Clancy Brown as Professor rick Rich brinker Off. He mates an incredible demise demise early on. Cooby Minifie pops up as Ashley Barrett in a couple episodes. We also get three cameos here that they're not spoilers because they were well known. Claudia Dumitt as Victoria Newman, Jensen Eccles as Soldier Boy, and Anthony starrs Homelander. I would say of those three if we didn't know the Homelander one that would have been probably pretty

good, but everything's spoiled these days. I didn't like his haircut. It was a little different. It was a little off. Okay, all right, Well maybe he's been busy. You never know. Yeah, good. I'm gonna give a synopsis for what this season really was. As to introduction, we are introduced to the world of The Boys from a new perspective. We now get to see what it's like to sort of live in this world as a non superhero. You get some of that in The Boys, but

these are young adults who aren't operating as superheroes. And this is especially important because now all of these young adults, these kids, these adults know that the only reason they have these powers or curses is because their parents opted to sign up with Vought and give them Compound V as a baby. That's a

huge change from the prior Boys seasons, where obviously that's revealed. In season three, we are particularly focused on Goadulkin University aka God You and our main protagonist Marie Moreau, whose powers include are really just are being able to manipulate blood into whatever she wants and what she can imagine, and during the season

as it goes on, she does greater things with that. The university itself is run by Vot, who we know is a really bad que operation anyways, but we come to find out they're even worse than we imagined and are running like these wild tests and experiments on children in the secret basement laboratory of the university known as the Woods. Marie and her friends discover and uncover the secret of the Woods and attempt to reveal it to the world and bring justice

to those who have done poorly, done bad. They're really bad, guys. That's pretty good, Mac, thank you, thank you, goe. Any other opening thoughts before we do the Octagon, just to like capture like I think some people this is This was my attitude going into the season. I thought it was gonna be a tier below the Boys. I thought it was just gonna be like a nice little add on. It'll be fun to keep playing in that world. But this is this really belongs in the boys.

Conversation, Like, it's not it's not of lesser quality. It's it's up to snuff with the Boys. It doesn't have the high highs as we've seen the Boys, but the pacings really good in this. The writing's really good, and it's definitively more serious throughout, but that's intentional and for good reason. Especially. I don't know if it'll be as serious as we go on, but season one it needed to be. I think some people might say it's maybe it's the fourth best out of these four seasons. No,

it's just fine, but it still belongs to that conversation. I think I would have it ranked third of the four we've seen so far. Dude, do you want me to tell you what our dog scores were for the other three seasons or wait a little bit, No, tell me, because I have completely forgot. Okay, I did the research on this one, Goude. This is the real legwork I did here. Season one of the Boys, we both gave thirty eight hot dogs, so I really loved it.

Didn't quite get to forty. Season two, I gave it borderline thirty five thirty six. You gave it thirty seven, So definitely a drop I think a smidge high for me. I would drop it. I would halloween it a little bit. Yeah, I think thirty five thirty six is right there. Season three, we both had it at thirty nine. Really wanted it to be forty Yeah, it just fell as midge short, but I think

we both agreed it was the best of the three seasons. This season is not forty Dogs, but I say a tease, I think it's above season two. It's somewhere in between season two and seasons one and three. I think I'll probably do one. I think I like the seasons one and three of The Boys more than this season, but not by much. All right,

mac, let's get into the octagon here. And the first one up is fun factor and what I found to be very fun And at first you're like, these powers are gross, but they end up being pretty cool, and they're very teenage oriented, where you know, one of the characters has to cut themselves to use her powers, or one has to binge or overeat and that also plays with her emotion as well, so that's another thing that kids deal with. And then you know gender stuff, so like there's there's

a lot of what their powers are heavy stuff actually growing up stuff. Yes, yeah, yeah, so that cuts into the fun factor for sure, especially when you wait against some of the shit we've seen in the three scenes of the Boys. But I find myself and I sort of alluded to this at the top. I just have fun operating in this world as a viewer,

even though the on screen stuff isn't necessarily fun. This show is so much different than everything else that I'm watching that I have fun watching it satisfactor, and I didn't think I was gonna be this satisfied by the end of the season. I agree with you, Gou. I am pretty damn satisfied with the end of the season and still wanting more. They did it again, they crushed it, boromed or were you bored? I wasn't bored, but I didn't necessarily love. I think there was like one or two missteps,

and we'll get into that and spoilers, but I wasn't bored. Yeah, there's a couple storylines in here that maybe don't hit as well as others. But I felt like the pacing was really strong, maybe the most well paced of the four seasons so far. Equator, It's better than Aquaman. Yeah, Fox Show Halloween. Two of the seasons have not Halloween for me, but one has, so it's tough to say if this one will as

well. Yeah. So this it is does have a little bit of Season two in that, like Season two now looking back almost serves as like a build up for season three. They kind of push off a lot of the Homelander stuff into season three. This doesn't push anything off, but it really

just serves to build into The Boys season four. So there might be some wien Wayne, you know what, I think it weens or Wayne's I don't even know what the fuck the word is, but I think it drops off if they don't use these characters in the other show, Like if it doesn't intertwine as much as we think it will. Yeah, and we were told prior to this finale that this will set up The Boys season four, and

The Boys Season four will play directly into gen V season two. Yeah, but now that I'm saying that after you just said that, if these characters get buried until gen V season two, that's gonna be a little disappointed. I would say so pants, Stan City, Excite, bike Mania, did anything get you going? So it does not quite reach the highs of the

Boys. However, there are three or four spectacular scenes during this season that like just make you grin with laughter, Like not that they're funny, but they're so cool or so good that you have a shitting grin on your face. I don't want to say any of them because they're spoilers, but they're great. Like if I asked you for a top ten from these four seasons moments like you know, excite bike Mania moments, Yeah, would there be one from this show? I think maybe two? Maybe two? Okay for

sure one maybe two? Max Credit Union? Who are you giving credit to? I gotta give credit to the creators. Now, listen. All the actors are good in here, but the creators to maintain the wide vision and to introduce this new story and these new characters while not cheapening or lessening anything in this world, is truly impressive. This really does fit in and then some with the Boys, I mean really the creators, the writers, the

actors portraying the characters. What I love the most about this show is that I think it might have been episode seven where I sat back and said, wait a second, who am I rooting for? I had completely forgot that the soups that we have in the Boys are complete pieces of shit and they're pretty much the bad guys, and you're rooting for the Boys, And then episode seven I'm like, wait a second, should I be rooting for this person? Right? Right? It's one of those rare shows where you simultaneously

kind of like and kind of hate everyone. Everyone's kind of a bad guy except for a few, but the good people are also doing kind of bad stuff. No, the person that was operating as the bad guy in this show was actually operating just like the boys were operating. So you're like, wait, no, that person is actually the good guy. I think right.

And then in episode seven and eight, when they pit the friend group that we've been rooting for this whole time, I guess each other, You're like, ah, fuck, I kind of agree with both sides here. This is pretty good, but also neither side. Yes, right for those of you tardy to the Mac and Go party, we rate everything on a forty hot dog rating system. Mac. Like I said, I wish it would have been a little bit funnier, but also it didn't need it to

be funnier. I think it would have just got pushed more to like a forty dog potential with a little more humor. I really really liked this. There was a one issue I had with the intrigue of the show where they kind of gave us something maybe a half an hour too soon, and they could have let it be a little more organic and like play into the story as opposed to just giving us something. Like I said, I love the off putting powers. I think that that plays really well with the teen focus.

Marie is a great character. I love her as a leading character. You realize that Homelander might be the best case scenario. Homelander like he understands the game and he understands what he's doing, where there could be a more unhinged you know completely what is uh No, Stormfront. Stormfront was the representation of that, but I think we got another character here that is even more like even someone that that doesn't understand how to play the game or how to

manipulate people. It's just he has the powers and he doesn't know what to do with them, where that's a lot more of like a bright burn, right, Yeah, exactly. So I really like that I have this at thirty seven hot Dogs. Oh goode, it's fucking what makes it similar that

makes us great and that's why people hate us. To sort of make up for the lack of humor, yeah, which The Boys definitely contains pretty much every episode this show did was make the subject matter a little more relatable as much as you could operating in a world with soups and villains like this. It was just it was cool to see the world building here and widening our

scope and I just like watching everything in this world. Now. It does really serve mostly as a lead in for season four of The Boys, So it does. It does. That does knock it down a little bit because I feel like it lacks a major banger at the end here, and it also may lack that rewatchability, so I'm trying to gauge that now. However, I loved pretty much every episode. It was not boring at all. There's some great moment like it's just I have a hard time finding stuff bad

or stuff that I didn't like. It was more so it just didn't quite get up to eleven in some of the moments like the Boys do. So I also have this at thirty seven hot Dogs. But it could it could weigh in a little bit if it just operates more as the world builder and you don't really want to come back and rewatch some stuff. Let me ask

you a question. I know at Wes b or Sideman West. I'm not sure what his Twitter handle is at the moment, his ex handle, but he brought up Seth Rogan, you know, and how he's really played into so many comic book properties. If I were to ask you, if I nominated him to get into the Dork Hall of Fame next year, would you vote him in? I mean, it'd be hard to turn him down. I will say, I think he's an EP on this show. He's got nothing to do with the creation more or less. So wouldn't you have to

prioritize prioritize Goldberg over Rogan? Though? But you're looking at it like he's the EP producer on like This Invincible Preacher TMNT. So he has his hands and so it seems like he's really good at in most most create I won't say this, uh, I was gonna say, call him DJ Khaled, No, no, no, Okay. There's a lot of people that are uber talented that have a really hard time stepping out of the way and selecting

people or teaching people, showing people. It seems like Seth Rogan knows when to step in and step out, knows the higher of the right people, and really cares about stuff so much so that he knows that he's not the best at something like he very easily could have probably kicked the door down and been a writer on this season, and he wasn't. So you got to give him credit for like getting out of the way and just sort of making things go. And that one of the best things about Steven Spielberg in the

last thirty years. Yes, he's a great director. He's really good at making things go, funding projects, helping out on projects, but stepping back and not directing, not writing things. It's a really underrated thing that a lot of people don't do in the industry. Shall we get into spoilers, let's do it? Spoiler silence, spiler, spoiler. I guess the first and that I would like to point out, and I've kind of made reference to it a couple times. I think it might have been episode five when

it was revealed that who is the touchy girl with the hand Kate? So when it was revealed that Kate was pretty much behind most of what was happening all along, Yep, she's the one that makes everyone forget. They gave it away like a half an hour or two soon, like the so we found out before the characters found out. I wish that we found out with

the characters. Yep. No, that's that's fair because there's a whole little cat and mouse chase during that whole episode, and you know before the characters do you also were suspicious of Kate anyways because of a couple of things that happened in prior episodes. But I think it it It works because you don't want that to be a major wow moment because she still has to want it. I wanted to make still has to function as a part of the group

going forward. So for the viewer, if that's a major wow moment, it's really hard to accept her as a part of that group going forward. I would have liked it. Also, I loved her hand being blown up. Oh so that's one of the two My two favorite moments during the season. Yes, was blonde dude's cock getting blown off. That was incredible, and then in the moment because Marie is still figuring out what she can and

can't do, which is also an awesome thing. In episode seven, you learn that Victoria and Newman's power is the same as Marie, so we knew her as the head popper, but really what she can do is manipulate blood, so we know in the endgame, other than Homelander Victoria Newman's probably the most powerful, and that means Marie's gonna be at the top of the food chain too, which is really cool to think about and really interesting to think

about going forward. But we see her greatest moment here in the finale, her preventing Kate from Who's she going to reach out to? Andre? I believe was it andre? And I forget who she's going out to reach. But Marie can't get there and doesn't have time to cut her own blood or you more blood, which she had used in the scene right before, But she explodes Kate's arm, and it's fucking awesome. It's so cool. Do you think if Homelander, By the way Homelander shows up at the end,

he's like, what are you an animal? You're attacking your own kind? Do you think if he knew how potentially powerful Marie was or is, he would have tried to kill her as opposed to just kind of knock her out. Well, that's the question in the back of my mind that's been lingering now for two seasons of The Boys at least, and now this season.

Can Victoria Newman kill Homelander if she wanted to? Possibility? I think there's a possibility, so that means Marie could, hypothetically but maybe that the Homelander cameo at the end of this season. I was i was thrown off at first by his dialogue. I'm like, wait, what the hell's going on here? And then you fucking remember that they're so good at swerving, you like, they come in and of course Vot's behind this trying to protect their

own ass. That's a truly great swerve. Homelander shows up. And if they didn't bring Homelander in, you would have been would have been asking where the hell he is, like we do a lot of the times in these in these Marvel shows, the Marie and Friends get her crew gets framed for all the killings they got locked away in this room facility, no windows, no doors. I love this so much because it's incredibly frustrating, but in

the best way, and that's what this show does so well. Do you look at Schwarzenegger in this role much like Drew Barrymore and scream It's a lot like that, because as far as people build for this show, even though we don't know many things he's done. Him being on Schwarzenegger's son, you're like, Oh, he's probably fit for a big role, and then episode

two culminates in him un aliving himself. I guess my biggest question from this season is do you believe that Ryan Homelander's son would go to God you or would he Lebron James it and just skip it's a Lebron James thing. I don't think they need to expose Ryan to any of that. They just need him to and learn from Homelander. And moreover, like, if you put him into that population, he could potentially be poisoned. And I think by

letting a Homelander handle him, hopefully he turns into another Homeland. That's what they're hoping for. But I think the obvious downside there is he grows to hate Homelander. And your favorite part of the season was when Aunt Girl was on the dick, right, that's unbelievable Episode one. Just as they did in season three of The Boys, the opening where you have someone who can shrink down inside of a penis, this time we have Emma basically giving a

full body hand job at the tip of a penis. It was unbelievable job the visuals. This is an all time great having to explain yourself show. If someone walked into the room at certain moments of the show, you have to like pause the show and explain what you're watching because it's so fucked up. I guess would you recommend this to somebody? I would recommend this to a lot of people, but it would have to like anyone that listens to

our podcast, I think would should watch this show if they haven't. But this would be a hard one to recommend to, like your parents or something. People that aren't maybe not my parents, but your dad. As in general, like people that aren't aren't a customed are accustomed to like outright explicit sexual stuff and violent stuff, like the generation above us may not be as

open to this show as ourselves in the generation below us. You know what though, Like I wouldn't recommend the boys to my brother, but I would

recommend this to them. Oh that's interesting, Okay, Well yeah, so this definitely has more heart to it underneath, because I think Marie is the most likable character out of any of the characters we've been introduced to, and part of that is because she hasn't been given the chance to commit a lot of the shitty the acts that we've seen the people and the boys commit, but I think her being the heart of the show helps it a ton.

This is also just a dirty WB show. Do you think that people who make the DC WB show CW shows, Yeah, or even the DC HBO Max shows. And you know what, the people that make the Marvel Disney Plus shows sit back and go fuck fuck, Like, I wish we could do this. I wish this was us because this show knocks it out of

the park better than any Marvel show, any DC show. Like as much as you love the Netflix Daredevil shows, and as much as we love Loki season one, which I guess would probably be our best Marvel show, this is definitively better than those. Yeah. So if I'm picking superhero shows, I'm going to The Boys number one, I think. And this is just off the top of my mind. I haven't really really thought it out.

Yeah, the Boys, then Daredevil, then Loki. Trying to think like that might be what it is if you wanted to do individual seasons, like you could probably prop up a Daredevil season, the first season of Loki, even Jeff Shones season one. But on the whole, nothing has been consistently as great as this I would agree with you. I would completely agree Mac. Do you want to run through some episodes? Yeah, well, just

real quick we run through the season. So the first episode, God you we get introduced to Marie her backstory which is horrible like that, it immediately gets you behind her and can you roof for her? And you feel sad for her? You get like Godulkin's introduction and whatnot. Episode two, First Day, This is where Golden Boy on a lives himself and you get a really cool fight scene between Golden Boy, Jordan and some other characters. My

hands are up, both my hands id go. Also credit to Amazon giving us three episodes out the gate. Yeah, and they've done that with every Boys. That was great. Yes, good, good call on that. I agree. Episode three, Think Brink hashtag think Brink. This was called this is where they do the tribute to the Professor Clancy Brown, who they call Brink. But what really happens in this episode is all of the characters are trying to figure out why the fuck that happened, and of course it's

because of the Woods his brother Sam. That leads into episode four, The Whole Truth. This to me was probably the worst episode of the season. But was still pretty good. Ted Knight comes sniffing around, he interviews everyone, and it really just serves as a way to get from characters from point A to point B, and of course Marie ends up getting all the credit

for defeating Golden Boy. Also, Sam is the character that could be a Homelander or have a homelander like strength, but he's a bit on hinge. He doesn't understand entirely what's going on. Yeah, we don't know his full capabilities or what he's weak to really, so that is him and Marie as far as soups and powers go, easily two of the Morning. I will say though, there was a part in episode eight where he was closing a door at the at the camp whatever it's called, and it looked like he

was straining to close the door. Im like I thought he was strong. Episode five Welcome to the Monster Club. This is the episode where it's the cat and mouse game. We find out Kate's actually the one that made everyone forget, and they all find out towards the end of this episode, which leads into episode six, the very aptly named Jumanji. Because everyone gets stuck in Kate's memories, but they also intertwined some of the other people's memories in

there, which is pretty cool. And this is where we got the Soldier Boy cameo as well, which was that was one of the funnier moments. It was, but also just kind of a throwaway. Yeah, yep, that was just to say, hey, here's Jensen Echles as Soldier Boy. And then do episode seven they really ramp up. Seven and eight were phenomenal. Episode seven sick now that they're all working together. They've accepted Kate because

they learn how truly shitty her life was too. We see them going to attack the Woods and free everyone there, and we learned that Shetty and the Woods have been developing this virus or weapon to use against the Soups, which is the major ramification from the season. This is the part of the season I'm like, ah shtty. I'm like, oh wait, no, he's trying to control the Soups right, wait, the Soups like Homelanders out of

hand, and like this might be the only way to do it. Yeah, that was the part where I'm like, okay, wait a second, right, I am rooting for her. Yeah. Also, I don't care. Yeah, it's it's truly they do such a good job of it because you're right, from the three thousand yard view, she's doing the right thing. Probably, Yeah, you know, now the I don't know if the ends justify the means, but ultimately that might be the only way to take

down a Homelander. And that's really because we really like our four main characters. We like Sam, we like all these and then you're like, oh, wait a second, they might turn into much like Kate does, like into the rest of the soups. And so what happens in the comic skew is Billy Butcher utilizes that virus to take out Homelander, but it also takes on all the soups, and that's I think that's how the comic ends or something to that effect. So that like it's interesting, sing dynamic because we

like watching what's going on. But ultimately there has to be an endgame here in this series, and it might be like the comic book, it might be along this virus ready for this what Oh. Also in this episode, pretty loaded episode, Victoria Newman pops up and we learned that horror in Marie got it. Yeah, I get it. Her and Marie have the same powers and so when you see that, you're like, oh, holy fuck,

Like, you know, Marie doesn't know her full potential. But then when you realize her potential is Victoria Newman, you're like, but also, we should have known this when she blew up the dick. Yeah, but you didn't really put because new because you were so focused on the dick. That's the other thing this show gives us. We're always clamoring for more cocks, and we get it in this show. More cock after watching this, and it's a lot like after watching like the later seasons of Game of Thrones,

where like they don't really show boobs anymore. It's pretty much just dick. It's cockcentric. It's a lot of television. Yeah, it's mostly cox. So Newman takes the virus off the hands of I forget who she kills in the parking lot there, Oh Cardoza, the last Oh, that was another part that I was like, Nah, it's kind of stupid. He walks into the office and just says what the plan is? Yeah, what

is this fucking scooby doo? And we also learn that and this is something you sort of might have thought about aside, did Schetty reveals shortly before Kate has her on alive herself. That God You was created by Vaught just as a way to study soups and figure out basically how to beat them and learn more about them and their powers. And then of course you get the great scene where Kate forces Shetty to kill herself and the group is divided amongst them,

amongst whether that's the right thing to do or not. Oh also, I might have been in episode four or five, but Sam running through the hall and destroy those puppets fantastic scene. Phenomenal. I'm glad you brought that up. I can't believe we almost didn't mention that. The puppet fight scene I thought was amazing. Maybe maybe some people didn't like it, but I

thought it was fucking awesome, really cool, fantastic, loved it. And then when it cuts back, like when you're out of his mind and you see like all the gor you're like, oh, that's pretty fucking We get to the finale here and amongst the group, it's Sam and Kate on the same side because they seem to have been the most tortured by the Woods and

Vought, so they're there. And then you have Marie Emma and Jordan not wanting to basically become who they hated, so that's the split, andres off at the hospital with his dad, Sam and Kate go and free all the kids from the woods, and that leads to pretty phenomenal death chaos. Yeah,

chaos is the word. Absolute chaos. On campus, we do learn that Hollow Boys Translucent Sun, which the Internet kind of figured out very early on, and then we get the great scene of Marie popping Kate's arm, which was really cool, yeah, because you didn't know what was gonna come of that scene and that happens, and then immediately after Homelander comes flying in

and you're like, oh, what's gonna happen here? Because to your point, do we they you don't really know which way it's gonna go because they've muddied the water so much, so you don't know if Homelander's gonna come and fuck Kate up or fuck Marie up. What's he do? He lays her eyes, Marie and somehow she survived. Well, I was gonna ask so was his laser set to stun or did he try and kill her? And

she just has the ability to take that heat breath if you will. I think she is so powerful, okay with the blood stuff, that she's able to move or put herself back together. Like I think as long as her brain is working, she's able to sort of like help because so almost like a wolverine, where like even if like one part of him is still alive, he could regenerate. And I think if her brain is functioning, she can kind of make everything come back together. And that's why she was trying

to save Shetty in the episode before. So we get this great swerve with Homelander, and then we see the news reports of these four have now been pinned with all the killings on campus. They're framed for that, and then they're locked away in a room or facility that has no windows or doors. So that actually makes me believe, well, it doesn't make me believe. You have to wonder if they're in a room with no windows or doors, is that are they in someone's head? Is that Kate's head? Like,

how the fuck would they have gotten in there. It's a good, really weird thing. But I loved this finale so much because it swerved me. It was frustrating, but in a good way for the story's sake, there's just no show doing that as well as The Boys is doing it. Right now, let me also ask you the character that was pretty much Nightcrawler, that was like telepathing to like different spots. Yeah, he was just going like three feet forward every time, right, Like he wasn't really Yeah,

I was like, this fucking stinks. So maybe that's how they get them inside that room too. No, No, I think it's it's more that they were just pointing out how dumb that power is. Yeah, yeah, but he also is fucking dope. But he couldn't get out of his celf, so I don't know why. Yeah, that his power is not great. And then we get a mid credit scene here with Billy the Butcher him walking into like the remains of the woods. Oh bloody aale. But clearly

that means those four aren't at the Woods. They're at a different facility, number one, but number two. This sort of plays into what may be the conclusion of the series, which echoes the conclusion of the comic book series where he gets his hand on the virus and basically ends everything. Uh, but this show just leaves me wanting more. Yeah, it's it's so rare to have that in a show, and obviously all the best shows do do that. But I just I fucking love this this world, this show.

We keep saying, I guess it's not one and the same as as The Boys because it is called Envy, but for for homekeeping stuff, this is essentially The Boys. No, And I think this show really does show that it's not just the characters in The Boys that we love, it is this world because this was more of a murder mystery as opposed to being that action

comedy. Yeah, and that's a good point too. You know. Season one is sort of the shock and awe getting to see this stuff for the first time, and we're introduced to a real or a quasi real world scenario like what might happen if Soups were alive in our world? Where you get the corporate America and how corrupt it can all be. And that season kind of lacks a big bang at the end too, which keeps it from being

forty ish. And then season two we get that stuff but sort of kicked up a notch, but they sort of kick the can down the road with Homeland or you get the storm Front stuff, and really they're just trying to keep Ryan from Homelander all season and then at the end, Ryan kills his mother and Butcher's love. We also learned Newman's the head popper in that season, But that season really lacked the pants tent for me compared to season one

or season three. I think that season just lacks the newest feel that the first season had. Yeah, there's some of that too, and then season three they flip it and reverse it. Yeah, they're trying to flip flip the game on its head Philadelphia. They're trying to finally defeat Vaughten Holmlander. The annoying part and I think what keeps that from being a forty dog season is everyone's still alive at the end. Right now, You're like, how

the fuck is that possible? It doesn't make a lot of sense other than you want to make another season three as well. So Anthony Starr has been great throughout all of these, but in season three especially, he was amazing. He was so good and it really marked You see it a little bit with the storm front stuff, but he is actually asked to do some nuance acting and he does. As season one he doesn't have Season one, he's unhinged. One note character but that changes from season two. I think it

was either no, it was it was honest trailer. So screen junkies that pointed out that Homelander Anthony Starr is like the best jaw actor. Yeah, you see you see his jaw back here like constantly muscles movie. Yeah, and you're like, wow, what's this guy fixture? Yeah. The main takeaway from season three is like, all right, we're nearing a conclusion. Yeah, and I'm super excited to see Soldier Boy Versus Homelander volume two. And now, as an addendum to that, I'm super excited to see how

are God you characters and this virus play into it all. Now, they have not announced a Boy season five, but you would have to think based on there being a genv season two, that season four leads into that there's going to be a Boys season five. Yes, absolutely so. Thirty seven hot dogs. Thirty seven hot dogs. I feel good about that. Let's get into Macack. Mac Sac could be anything, It could be a boat

and Mac. We are just three days removed from Halloween. I went trick or treating with my son, my cousins, their kids, and when we got back to their house, I did sneak a piece of candy from my son's ooh piece Halloween bucket, and I decided to take a Three Musketeers bar. And I was ridiculed and mocked by everyone at the house. Yeah, thank god they did that. They gotta put your line and go. Listen, you can like a three Musketeers. That's not what we're talking about here.

It's opting for the Three Musketeers over the much superior options there, which you clearly did. Mac. Do you like chocolate? I actually I don't love chocolate. I really don't. Okay, so you're the problem. Listen. I fully admit if you want to chalk chocolate, I'm not your guy. I'm more of a skittle sweets over the sugary stuff over the chocolate stuff. But even if you want to get on the chocolate stuff, Like, there's no way in hell that you could choose the Three Musketeers over reeses or

twigs. You just couldn't do it. I would imagine that when they were creating the Three Musketeer, they already had the outer chocolate shell and they're like, what should we put in here? Like, oh shit, we only have more chocolate, but not enough fluff it up. It's it's hot dude. Hear me out on this. It's the hot dog of candy Bars. They just get a casing and they just push in whatever's left over. You know what I like hot dogs? I like three Musketeers. So you might

not get is the hot dog of candy bars. Listen, you can eat it. It's good. But if you claimed that the hot dog was the best sausage or brought worst, you'd be fucking smacked. I guess before we tell people where they can find us. Also in your sack, you should go ahead and donate. You gotta give to r von d Ryan Davies November page. Now, I don't want to make anyone have I don't want to make anyone do some more work, but I think that would be a good

edit for billyd to do. Is the Calco cut pants with you gotta give for Davy's November? Yeah, absolutely so, Mac and I we used to do our own pages. But if you're just giving to November in general, that I don't whatever. It's all the same charity. And we both already have mustaches, so you're I'll tell you my mustache is fine. It's not good. It's not bad. It's fine your mustache, You're just facial hair grows in way better. But your mustache, the volume you have is unprecedented.

You know what's crazy is that my facial hair grows in like shit, but the mustache grows in well. And that's why I have it. So if you grow at a beard, because it does look it looks like you have some of the missing spots that I do. Yeah, I got mine's a little more up here for the missing spots, but yeah, I have the I have the Marv from Home alone missing patches. Granted, I think Daniel Stearn shaves it that way. I don't choose to have this. It

just takes a circular shaver. It just hits those two spots. Also, I think Josh Donaldson also has that same type of beard, so I think it's a pretty common thing. Yeah. Yeah, we're just little boys. Where can the people find us? Mac? You can find us on Twitter and on Instagram at Mac and Goo podcasts every other platform. We are Mac and Persan Goo. It's Max just seven Goo that includes Facebook, Stitch your tune in, Cashbuckspreak or Google Play. We're on Spotify, but more importantly

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or head over to my other shop. That's a chunky. Nopeh no, it is still called that's a chunky. We haven't changed it yet. We're supposed to change it to us shirt brothers. That would make more sense. Yeah, maybe we'll do that. Maybe I'll do that right after we hit the stop button. Dude, when when do you plan on putting your Christmas tree up? I am putting it up. So today is Friday. I am putting it up on Saturday. Yeah. I had a feeling that was

going up soon. I'm putting it up tomorrow. I actually cleaned out the area. I'm very excited to do this. My cousin who you know, my nieces and nephews, my god son, god daughter. She put hers up. Might have been November first. She might have done it on November first. Yeah, no, I would have if so. We usually do it the first Sunday, and we just started doing this last year actually because usually it was the Sunday before Thanksgiving, but then it was ether last year

maybe during COVID year. But my wife was like, do you want to put it up now? And it was the first Sunday after Halloween. I'm like, fucking yes, I do. No question is I mean, I guess if you spend money on a nice fake tree, you might as well fucking display we have a nice fake tree. And also I'm so you know that I have my Christmas I have the perfect nook for a Christmas tree? Do have a great nook for a Christmas tree? That entire hallway now is

the Christmas hallway. I bought so much shit. The best part about your nook, yeah, is like you you get that corner there that you live on, and like people can see from the street too, so it's kind of cool. Yeah, it's beautiful. I also bought I forget what it's called. It might be like light shower or something like that. But you put it in your lawn and it just blasts laser lights all over your house. Oh yeah, you're gonna have to upload a photo of that when you

put it in. But the issue is, I just saw the as scene on TV. It looks like people that usually buy them by like three or four and I only have one. Yeah, and it's not like you're or the property you live in a small either, so you might need a couple of those. I live in a mansion. I didn't know how to say that without sounding like a dickhead I live in. I would say, yeah, it's a normal size too, family, No, it's it's yeah,

it's a it's not a small apartment in house you live in it. But yeah, yeah, if you call it big, it makes sound like your fucking daddy Warbucks. I am Daddy Warbucks. But also I'm curious if this, uh, if this laser light will blast through the window or be deflected by the glass if you aim it at your Christmas tree window though really doesn't matter. Well, I'm gonna be aiming it at my house and I wouldn't be upset if it blasts through because my cousin lives on the first floor.

If it just blasts light through their house. It'd be really funny. It'd be like Kramer and Seinfeld. You just you hear some ruckus, you peek out, and Sip is just ripping the thing in half. All right, So that'll do it for this episode. Here, we'll do a news dump on Monday. I'll already tease her right now. There are Marvel rumors of foot and then maybe next week we can do Loki. Maybe we'll do that,

although you have a thing, so maybe we'll figure it out. Well, we got to get to Loki and the Marvels both next week, both next Friday technically, and we didn't get a screening for the Marvel so I'm curious did they get back to you that no one responded to me. Wow, that's gonna be real annoying. Yeah, and I leave for Hawaii in like nine days, ten days, so that's going to be a crunch. I know, Max go to live there, all right. They have great

they have great internet there. That's why I'm moving there. Tuesdays or gusdays. I have used Kangaroo. I please flip the cassette over to side B to continue the adventure.