8 Mile

Mac, can you think back to the last time that, as you were doing something you said to yourself, I've made a huge mistake. Oh that's a great question, because I it. I think through a lot of stuff before I go and actually do something. I'm pretty well thought out, not very spontaneous these days. So off the top of my head, no, nothing, nothing comes up. I'm so calculated though, Mac. It's more laziness than anything. So yesterday I was going to take my son to a

movie. I got a pass for Garfield, a little screening, gonna impress him, be like, hey, I want to check out Garfield Brag. And ahead of time had to have some lunch. I said, do you want to have some Dave's Hot Chicken? He keeps seeing billboards for Dave's Hot Chicken. He was like, oh my god, Dave's Hot Chicken. So we went and as we were ordering, him like just give him the dullest flavor, and just give me whatever the hottest flavor is. And they're like

reaper, like yeah, whatever it is. And they gave me a sh sheet of paper to sign and I'm like, oh, that's kind of cute. So I signed the paper. We sit down, I take a couple of bites of this chicken and immediately know that it is going to come out of me. I have never been the adventurous type when it comes to hot food. Goo. I hit my limit around Buffalo mild, that type of stuff, because then I start sweating. Anyways, I turn red. Anyways,

I can't do that's my upper limit. I can't handle the spice level. So I don't know why if you're trying to have a nice Sunday with your son, why you would torture it just before a movie? Mind you right? And I'm pretty sure that I've had this specific sandwich in the past. I think I just ate it slower, like I took my time when I was eating it, but the way I kind of scarf this down. As we were then walking to the theater, I'm sweating. My mouth is all red from the heat, and I'm like, oh, no, I've

made a huge mistake. And then I brought my son into the bathroom stall with me and he had to sit there horror as I was throwing up Jesus CHRISTO. That's why he didn't like the movie. Oh he's taking about the movie because he was thinking about his dad losing his soul in the toilet for the whole thirty minutes you were there. No, no, So I will say this, and I think we're allowed to share spoilers, not spoilers, but like a review of this movie. Garfield is a mashed potato sandwich.

It stinks good. I texted you this a little bit earlier. I think I've seen nineteen movies on the year now, maybe eighteen, and almost half of them have been dog shit. Yeah, different levels of dog shit, some diarrhea, some solid, but still dog shit. And as much as I have liked Dune, this has been a pretty bad year for movies so far. Yeah. And I was actually going through the schedule of movies coming up earlier because I'm I don't want to brag, but I you know,

tease movies at work. You know what's coming out this weekend. And I was writing them mount and I'm like, uh, oh, we're hitting a real bad patch and this last good patch wasn't that right? Yeah, it's it's gonna be by the end of the year. We might have trouble rounding out a good four for for the Goody Vault. And then speaking uh once again of being at that movie on Sunday. The most excited my son, my three year old son, was with the Garfield movie was when I said,

do you want to leave about an hour in? It's yes, yes, I do one good, three yeah, Jos three. King of Queen MARYL. Street entered time go and I am Mecai Pheiffer. Want you take

your white ass back? Cross eight miles paying the pie piper? All the pain inside amplified by the fact that I can't get bye with my nine to today we are discussing eight mile eight mile was I believe and I'm not even joking, even though I'm giggling while I'm saying it like a seminal movie in the childhoods of Goo and I. It came out in two thousand and two, the beginning of our eighth grade year. So Goo and I are thirteen years old. A piece soon to be fourteen also point out that we are

white males, white males. Yeah, so eminem, and there's no shame in this eminem. Certainly, whatever level of fans we were of rap prior to eminem, eminem double triple quadrupled that it just made it more accessible. That's just simply a fact. And also at thirteen, fourteen years old. You were so suggestible, like you could so easily fall into trend, just so easily do this, so easily do that. It was just this movie

hits at the absolute perfect time for good. And I think this might be the first movie and maybe the only movie that I stepped out of it being like I think I should do that. It's one of those things where you know, there's just there's that all time online clip of I just want to do a hood rat ship with my friends. Yeah, And that's that's the feeling you get leaving this movie. Like I thought to myself, imagine a life where around every turn there's a rap battle. Once a week, you're

going to defend your honor. No, And like all I knew in my head was that as long as it rhymes, that's good. That's a start. That's a start, as long as it rhymes. Now, Mac, let me ask you, how did you see this movie at first? So I, if I recall correctly, it was a group of like five or six of us, and we had to have someone's older sisters for us at Fresh Pond Movie Theater in Cage and that's how we got in. And the sister didn't even come in with us. She had a cup with us to

buy the tickets so that we could get in. I went with my father and my younger sister corn Yep. We both loved Eminem. My dad liked Eminem. I think my dad liked the story of the movie. It's a pretty good story. Obviously, there is a sex scene that was extremely awkward, two of them. Yeah, so uh yeah, it was quite something. Yeah, but it was a movie that we had to see. If

I didn't see it, I don't know what would have happened. Yeah, And speaking to that and our age, our demographic, should I say I think at least two thirds, if not three fourths, of our eighth grade yearbook, our middle school yearbook, our class listed their favorite movie males and females as Lose Yourself or as an eight mile, and favorite song as lose Yourself. I actually had my song as eight mile I Wanted to be Different.

That's a good song too, though. Yeah. It just absolutely dominated that school year for us, and we liked eminem anyways, but if you if you saw that movie already loving Eminem, it just took it to the nth degree. And really it's just like the Eddie Murphy joke from Raw where he said as soon as Italian saw Rocky, they suddenly thought that they could fight as soon as I saw him, Like I can fucking freestyle, I can rap battle people. I was trying to remember. I don't think my

Space was quite out yet. This might have been right before my Space, but it's in that era of Internet and uh in what we would be influenced by. I was very much what some folks might call a poser. Then there's there's a worse word for it, but I there There is certainly records of me wearing like a bandana under a sideways cap, like I was like living that life. I did that for at least one summer. Yeah. Yeah, I thought I was the coolest cat out there. So I call

it my White Chocolate era. That's that's really defined that. That was my rename. I had dog tags made on the eighth grade DC field trip that said white Chocolate, although I misspelled chocolate. I did two a's instead of two o's. They're so dumb. That's really great for me. So that's really where where we're at really. And also Mac, I took a cue from this movie and I said to myself if and when I get into a rap battle, I'm gonna attack myself first, because if I attack myself first,

what's the other person gonna do? Right? Right? I honestly think there's a generation of people molded by that final rap battle or like, I gotta get out ahead of this. I gotta be stef I gotta be self detrimental here. And we need to point out right now before we say anything else, the final twenty five minutes to thirty minutes of this movie is that when the rap battle at the shelter starts up again. Yeah, A plus cinema, dude. I would argue ninety percent of this movie is a plus

cinema. It's I don't know going back and watch some of this. I knew every scene that was coming up. Like I even said to myself ahead of time, like do I have to rewatch this movie? I know this thing point for point. I had such a good time. Really, I guess my only issue with it is that while I knew all the point to points, I think every scene went just a smidge too long. I don't know. I don't know about that. It's just about a bunch of young

lings fucking wreaking havoc in the City of Details. Also, could you imagine this? Could you imagine if when did we start the podcast nine years ago? Sixteen? Okay, so what if I said to you, Mac, I want to start this podcast. It's me this great sports podcast. We're going to reach all these people, And as soon as my cousin turned on the microphone, I just started throwing up everywhere. What kind of a start to this career would we have? That's totally different though it is more is

it? It would be more akin to the first time we did something in front of a live audience and you just started throwing up everything. No, it's like, of Mac, Mac, we're gonna talk about the Mets pitching versus the Cubs offense. That's harms And then they're like, dude, your response, Oh, but you want to be a rapper? Okay, all right? November eight, two thousand and two, that's the setting for eight Mile. It hits theaters right before the Christmas season, A rated R drama

and music. I guess they just could call things music now. So I don't know if it is music because it's like it's perfect. There's music weave throughout and there's music overall. No, but the music is like it isn't naturally flowing throughout, Like they take a battles no, but they take a step off to the side to do it. And there's also a great like ninety four ninety five soundtrack in here with some really good hip hop songs. I've always thought of you as being a shook one great and they use it

again at the end for the rap battle beats. Yeah. Runtime of one hundred and ten minutes, so it's a pretty crisp hour and fifty minutes. There's not much waste of time in here. I don't know how crisp it is. I'm not gonna live fuck you, fuck you, dickhead. Like I think everything at the Shelter is amazing. I think the sex scenes are great, but some of it is is a little repeat y. No.

I like the it's it's it's a it's essentially a day in the life but a week, a week in the life of Jimmy Smith Junior, right, but within like hours of things happening of like, oh I heard you choked, that just happened. How do you hear about that? Well, it's yeah, I mean word of mouth, you know everyone's playing telephone. Gude, riddle me this. This is the most dumbfounding thing, and I didn't

know this. This might be the first time I ever went on Roddy T's for eight Mile seventy five percent from the critics, which honestly is higher than I thought it was gonna be. Yeah, fifty four percent from the audience. How does eight mile have fifty four percent from the audience? Okay, so I don't even care about that. I want to give the critics credit here because I think what they realize is that while yes, he's kind of playing himself, Eminem does a damn good job, a great job and also

seventy seven on metacritics. So yeah, the critics got this, and it's a compelling story. It's a pretty well made movie for a guy basically telling his life story on a So with that, I would like to now take a kickflip off of my own point right there and ask why not just make a bio pic? Oh, because I think you want some creative freedom to make the story more compelling. That's an easy one, but yeah. But all they really change, though, is that his daughter is now his sister.

They asked him to just have his normal colored hair to you know, differentiate from his you know, blonde. So like, is it's really similar? Why not just stick with what it is? I don't know if it's really similar. It's it's the only main similarities is that he's a poor white rapper coming up in a predominantly black industry. He lives in a trailer park. His girlfriend is either pregnant or faking Pregnantory lied about it. I don't know. There's a lot going on there with Pansacola. And then also,

uh, his mom, Greg won't go down on her. U. Kim Basinger, is that how you pronounce it? Basing Yeah, more like Bassinger? Right? I thought she's great as white trash. I love I love Kim bas That's a butt double, right, we're assuming definitely Kim Basinger, that's a butt, that's a fun a titty, or that's a butt double. I'm saying butt double money on button double. Disagree again fifty four percent

from the audience. I don't know where that came from. And like, not for nothing if you're looking like in the in the grand scope of like musical artists that made a movie or acted in a pretty big budget movie that weren't previously actors actresses M and M's on the shortlist for best job, like Whitney Houston's up there too, Like ice Cube, Well, Boys in the

Hood, he's really good. Yeah, ice Cubes up there, there's three, but there's there's not many where Like the fifty set movie is not very good and he's not very good in it, but okay, I think think the best comparison to this would be Private Parts with Howard Stern, where he is first. Howard Stern's actually pretty good in that movie. He's playing himself, but it's a you know, a heightened version of himself. And just like Eminem at the end of this movie, Howard Stern at the end of

his movie said that was good, but I'm never doing this again. They both said the exact same thing. Yeah, Curtis Jackson fifty sent went the opposite way, but he also did a faithful adaptation of his life that was more a biopic than anything else. Whereas this is loosely based on this is like I don't know how to describe it. Like this is like when people thought that Departed was about Whitey Bulger, but it was actually an adaptation of

a completely different story, just set in Boston. That's sort of what this is to Eminem's life. This would be like if we did a movie about this podcast, then we called it Mark and Drew Goo. Yes. Eight Mile is written by Scott Silver, who has a pretty interesting resume. He's only written like seven or eight movies over thirty years, but it's this, The Fighter, The Finest Hours and Joker are four of them. That's a pretty impressive resume for a man that's only written six, seven or eight things

upcoming. He's doing Joker Fond at the end of this year, and he's doing the untitled hal Coogan biopics, so he's got a couple of decent things on the horizon there. Writing pretty good in this now, I do think I'm sure Eminem had a He doesn't get a writing credit, but I'm sure he helped out with like the dialogue amongst the frets. Well, I also think that they had to lean into how Eminem spoke as well. Yeah, no doubt, and also like the second half of the movie, like just

right yelling next to all of his lines. A good This is directed by Curtis Hansen. He did the hand that Rocks the Cradle also won Best Adapted Screenplay, and he directed La confidentially with Kim Beasinger. Yep, damn right. This was his biggest hit at the box office, though eight Mile made one hundred and sixteen million domestically two hundred and forty two million worldwide, like

by far his most successful movie. So for a guy that's directed, I think he's got twenty plus directing credits, eight Mile is his single most successful one. Also, by the way, we did way too much research on this movie, maybe the most research that we've ever done on any movie. And one of the directors who was in the mix to direct this film was Quentin Tarantino. Could you imagine that sex scene, both those sex scenes, but the focus on the feet. I as much as I like Quentin Tarantino,

this movie would be worse. If Quentin Taranty, it would be a lot weirder, weirder and worse. It would not have because this is like crisp in pretty quick. Tarantino's eight Mile would have been two and a half hours and there would have been some pretty weird shit in there. He was working on kill Bill at the time. Yes, yes, there you go. Synopsis follows a young rapper in the Detroit area, struggling with every aspect of his life. He wants to make it big, but his friends and

foes make this odyssey of rap harder than it may seem. Pretty good, yes, And you know what I love about it is that the entire movie eminem is like, if I just win this rap battle at the shelter, my life is all set. And then at the end of the movie he does win it and nothing changes about his life. No, it's the vote of confidence he needed. It's the boost for you. But also, but

also is there cash that you win? Do you win cash? You probably get a little bit of a cash prize, I'm guessing because his friend Glasses there was like, you can you can live off of this now He's like, you, what are you doing? Go back to work? You just won this rap battle. No, I think I think you probably get a little bit of cake. Sure, But it's more so the confidence booster that he needed to go and record his demo. You know he's got he's got

like a proof of concept now. And that's really what this movie is about, because it just imagine living in Detroit where you have your winnings from the Uh from the Rap Battles, and then your mother just on bingo, like you can go to the Burlington Code Factory and living. I think that's why I like this movie so much, though, is it just takes place over a week. They don't give us the first twenty years of Eminem's life, you know, it's just like you sort of can read into how he grew

up. They place you right in, drop you into a week in the life. They give you a couple of compelling storylines, and you dip out with a really satisfying ending. Clarence also just won three straight of these I think, like three to five straight up Clarence. Yet that's his name. His name is Clarence. He just and I don't think it's changed Clarence's life at all. No, for Clarence, it's more of a power thing. I think that a little bit of a power struggle there in Detroit Rock City.

You know. Clarence goes, He's like, why didn't you guys just get a fucking divorce? Go? Yeah. This movie stars Eminem as Jimmy Smith Junior aka Bunny Rabbit b Rabbit thumbs up. I For whatever reason, I just look the rabbit. Nick name just works. I liked the little story they give of when he was a little kid, he had big, big teeth, like a bunny rabbit and that's how he got the name.

And apparently that was based off of the real life fact that his relatives called him Mickey when he was younger, because apparently he looked a little bit like Mickey Mouse. Can I point out how stupid that is? Well, what are you gonna do? Mickey Mouse has a beautiful smile, he doesn't have buck teeth. I was thinking more maybe big ears for Mickey Mouse. I wasn't thinking smile wise. Oh, I that it was a sant thing with like the buck teeth, or maybe it could have been a teeth thing.

I was thinking ears wise. If he had big ears, I would have called him Dewey, like from Melcolm in the Middle. A real cool fun fact about this movie, and for a guy that had never acted before, the fact that he's in every single scene in this movie is really impressive. Once again, that's what reminds me about him and Howard Stern. Howard Stern is in every scene of his movie. Fair enough, That is fair enough.

I feel like Howard Stern would have had more creative control than eminem though, but that's I feel like they both had the same amount of control in their movie. And then that's so like h on the Howard Stern not to go into like a different direction, but like actors have asked him, why didn't you do more movies after this one? He is like, that was too hard. I didn't want to do that anymore. Well, because most actors aren't in every scene in a movie. That's that's why it's so hard.

So instead of two but also these two guys also aren't trained actors too, So it's like like I want to go and be like a broadcaster again. I want to go rap again. Because even while so when he wasn't acting in this movie, he was writing music, he was writing the soundtrack. Yeah, and beyond that, if you're not a classically trained actor, Let's say you have a scene coming up the next day where you get to

memorize twenty lines. If you don't have a good process for that, that might take you five hours instead of like an hour like a regular actor. Yeah, because if you look at some of these scenes, Makai Pfeiffer had the lines written on his forehead for him. Also in this movie, Goo Kim Bezinger is his mom, Stephanie Mackay Pfiffer's future aka David Porter as he gets called at one point. This character was based on Eminem's friend Proof Rip

Proof I think died in two thousand and six. Brittany Murphy is Alex, who brings like the perfect skanky sex appeal to this role. She's great at just being that's it's a perfect take on it, and go here's a little fun fact that I didn't know until today. Yeah, she admitted on an interview in Leedhiman, I don't know twenty years ago that they actually got romantically involved during the filming of this movie. And I would say you can one

hundred ccent feel that in their sex scene. Yeah, she kind of has like that uh lew Anne Platter voice going on in this too. Of course, she voices Lewayne and King of the Hill like the deeper voice. Evan Jones is cheddar Bob. A couple other people that read for this role Goo Seth Rogan and Jason Siegel. Imagine if they casted both of those guys instead and they just flipped them every scene. Siegle's too tall Seth Rogan would have

been interesting there. What if they casted both of them and they just had they switched them every scene. Omar Benson Miller has Soul George, she's the big dude. D'Angel Wilson as dj is, he's the preachy one gooster actually brothers, although they don't I don't think say that during the movie. Uh, Eugene Bird is wink son of a bitch, real good son of a bitch, swindling everyone. Whether you grew up in the inner city or you know, you grew up rich, there's always a wink type that you grew

up with that you don't really like. But every once in a while you're like, all right, I'll try it, you know you old man. I parked Ray Allen's car the other day. Yeah, did you? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, exactly yeah. Taron Manning as Janine. She's only in like three scenes, she's pretty good in them. Interesting to note here. She's also in Britney Spears' movie from two thousand and two called Crossroads.

You also might know her as Pensacola from Orange is the New Black. Yes, indeed, Chloe Greenfield as Lily, who did a couple of TV things after this, but I don't think she acts anymore. That is, of course Eminem's sister in this movie, who's she's probably like eight in this. Michael Shannon is Greg Buell, who again is only in like two scenes, but he's fucking great rate in the two scenes he's in. And I found this earlier that the original choice to play Greg Gary Sonise, who would have

been great in that role too, because he's always great. He just would have he would have looked older than Michael Shannon. Also, every of the line would have been won't someone think of the troops? Goode? Anthony Mackie is popa Doc aka Clearance. Uh. This is his first real role. He had an uncredited TV appearance before this. This is his first fucking role ever, and it's eight Mile, playing essentially the villain of eight Mile.

That's fucking epic. Gary Sinise also loves the moon. It's like a split. Those are his two young favorite things. Uh. Some cameos here or like the final the Rappers. Here we have Strike Sanders as lickety Split. This is the fella who's who has corn rows and the headband not jacked. Also, uh, he got jobbed during his rap at the end. We'll talk about that at the end, though I don't know if I agree. But Future kind of swayed the audience. But let's it's close to no Eminem

swayed the audience with his pale Future. Also Future gave him a little bit of a home field advantage. I get that. But let me also ask you, out of everyone here, out of all the rappers, lickety split might be the worst name, right. I don't mind lickty Split. I don't like lickety split. U we have nasehan Ox Breed, Love is Lotto. This is the fellow with the cornraill Rose but jacked in the wife beater.

He's the second battle with Snoop Dogg got a boob job. Now you're you've already kind of said this is that your rapping name would have been white Chocolate. Yeah, for sure. Like I've had several nicknames. I think I could do Jmac too. And now there's a famous porn star with that who who stole my thunder? What do you think? Do you think big rag Goo or Rooster is better? Rooster is way better better? Yeah, Shamboo could have worked too. Oh I was Shamou at the time. Yeah,

Shamou would have worked. I think Rooster is the best of the b I think Roos is the best. To get on Twitter and vote about goose rap name, guys, tell us right now, what do you think my best rap name was? Come on M's boy Proof who futures based off of plays little Tick. That's the guy at the very beginning of the movie who Eminem chokes against. Obi Trice cameos as one of the gimmicks. But yes, yeh exhibit is the lunk struck rapper that gets put down by Eminem.

Great scene. I would send it out of all of the like random around the corner rap battles, that's my favorite one, just for the line of look at those boots, they're growing roots. By the way, if you are maybe like twelve or fifteen years older than us, so maybe you were like twenty five when this movie came out, and maybe Eminem missed you, I don't know. I still recommend this movie. I still think it's like

a pretty good drama with good pacing. I think it's a good movie outside of the Eminem's Let me ask you a question though, because the movie seems to be lost on My wife is this a WPS white people shit. Yeah. I don't know if it is because M and m's not white people shit, because I mean it also might even be more pigeonholed into being WBS white boy shit. Yeah, but we went so I guess it'll be more white

people because half the girls who went to school with also loved this. Maybe you had to see it in two thousand and two to like it as much as we do. I think it's a legit good movie. No, I like it. I like it a lot. Yeah, that's a good that's an interesting thing. I'm honestly surprised that Batty doesn't like it. Yeah. I was watching it last night. She's like, what are you watching? It's terrible? And I'm like, first off, how haven't you seen this?

You closed ticket easier? Take don't tell? I said that, can you cut this from the podcast? Goo? The music in this movie, like I alluded to before, is spot on. I love how at the beginning, the Jimmy related stuff they show him right in a little bit. How it's like incomplete Rhyde. You know that that scrap piece of paper was sold for ten thousand dollars? Yeah, I got it later. You fuck well I didn't first time. Your notes are fucking TLDR the way, too

many notes. Just fucking know that I covered everything? How about that? All right? Fine? But yes on the bus when you see him scribbling there at the beginning was the actual paper that he wrote Lose Yourself to that ended up selling for ten thousand dollars on eBay in like two thousand and six or something like that. Yeah. The soundtrack, outside of the M and M stuff is awesome. It takes you back to like ninety four ninety five. Some of the best songs from that era, great hip hop music,

especially when they go into the clubs. All of the original songs on the soundtrack too, are great. So you have I think three or four eminem songs. You have Wangster, but Wangsta is a or eer Wangster. Well, no, no, it's something something something, it's fifty cents. Yeah, it's the other one. It's the first one. Okay. Do you not know the song? No, I'm hearing it in my head. I thought they were the same song. No, it's the first song that made

him famous. Like this is where fifty cent broke with this song. Sing it again. You say you were pump. That's not the same song no, and I haven't heard that song in a long time. I'm making up the words right now. Yeah, okay. And also a good exhibit song on there. There's a good jay Z song on there. Score one for Gou. Yeah. Ifamous League go on set, they needed a couple of

people for the rap battles during the movie. They held open auditions to pick three or four extras to end up being in the rap battles, which I just thought was really cool. You can see some of that on the DVD some of the extra features they show some of those rap battles. Dude, Lose Yourself won the Oscar for Best Original Song, first rap song to ever win, and that actually opened up There's been a couple a few rap songs

since. I think that really legitimateized legitimized rap, at least in the eyes of the academy, which is fucking weird. And also notoriously, Eminem didn't show up because he didn't think he had a chance of winning and ended up performing that song in twenty twenty at the Oscar. So that's a nice little to admit there. And oddly enough, Gou, I think because his especially

his first album is a lot more rap and less hooks. Lose Yourself became his first legit number one hit overall, not on the rap charts, but overall, so that's a fun fact there. The movie soundtrack went to number one and was the fifth best selling album of two thousand and two despite only having two months November and December, so that's pretty good. We talked about

the paper getting sold. This movie made fifty one million dollars on its opening weekend, becoming number one at the box office, beating Goo's third favorite movie of all time, The Santa Claus two. You think about that, well, my first favorite is Santa Claus three, of course, yeah, right, and then second would be the Santa Claus the first one. I love the Santa Clauses. And my favorite TV show is the Santa Claus Show that's

on right now. Sure that's a thing, definitely I knew about. Also, fifty one million the second highest opening for an R rated movie ever behind Hannibal at that point anyways, and then it got beat out next the second its second week gup by Harry Potter and The Chamber of Secrets, also a movie I very much enjoyed when I was thirteen years old, Speaking of the DVD, I found out this week that I no longer own this movie and

or I can't find it. This was one of the first DVDs I ever owned, and I was a little sad to learn that I couldn't find it. So I still do own this DVD. It's in my attic, but I did not want to plug my PS five in, so I went ahead and I just rented it for four bucks. Yeah, I did the same thing from Prime. And it's also only streaming for free on Stars, which is ridiculous. I don't know how that happened. That's it was on Netflix

at some point. I definitely remember that. By the way, DVD salesmax seventy five million dollars, and I think one of the reasons why is because it had Superman the music video on there. Yeah, if you never got a chance to watch the Superman music video, I don't do you think you can watch that online now? As someone uploaded that Mariah drive through twice. It's like an X rated music video. It's it's pretty nudy, features porn star Gina Lynn, and it's the cold keyhole stuff. I was a big

fan of it. It's a big old orgy scene too. Own the DVD there, Yeah, so for the extra rapt battles, but for the naked yet mainly I mean I mainly bought it for the two sex scenes and the music video. Also, I think what this movie deserves the most credit for is spawning Malibu's Most Wanted and a new canned spaghetti sauce. There you go, Mom's spaghetti. Yeah, and then he had that pop up a couple of years ago where he actually served mops spaghetti, which is pretty good when

I get to the octagon or the decagne. But whatever number we got in here, now, all right, mac fun factor and the real fun here is the battles, specifically, I would say the shelter battles. I had a blast rewatching this whole thing, and I think part of it is because I remember back to like being a thirteen year old kid like this movie. And there's movies that do this for certain time periods in your life, like The Lion King brings me back to being like five years old and being traumatized.

This brings me back to being like thirteen years old talking to people on aim like that sort of shit, So that that part is fun. Satisfactor really, there might be nothing more satisfying in movie history than the final bat I'm not even exaggerating. This is one of the most satisfying endings to a movie ever. It's so fucking satisfying, the like the breadcrumbs were there. When he's in the club and he's like and he hears a girl say,

oh, his real name is Claricce is like Clarence. No, that was that was like when they were in like someone's basement or something in someone's basement. Sorry, yeah, before that, and then right before the final rap battle, cheddar Bob's like, are you worried what he's gonna say about you? How like wank fucked your bitch and all that, And then he starts thinking, so credit to cheddar Bob, the cheddar Bob, the alley is

always there, borometer. And I guess I had a little more bore than obviously when I was younger, just going from point A to the end point B, and I might have been a little I wasn't annoyed, but like them playing up them winning this one rat battle as being life or death, and then it ended up really meaning nothing. Really, you're missing the whole thing. You you're missing the message behind eight mile, like how it's just how obsessed he is with it. Small victories, okay, small fine whatever,

not an ounce of born here for me. I unabashedly love this movie. I recognize it's incredibly predictable and it's not overly complicated, but I think it's actually paced extremely well. And this might plant like a different one of our things here, but like when they tried to get a little more complicated with like you know, talking about like the Detroit landscape and like you know, the guy who are the lady and all that stuff, and then they

burned down the house. Yeah in in Okay, all right, you know Aquate down the house when you were thirteen, Aquator. It's better than Aqua Man Halloween. Compared to the first time I saw this, I think I had it when out like a forty when I first saw it at thirteen. So yeah, it's waned a little bit, I guess, a little bit, but it is. It's a legit movie. I get shotshak by every time, so it really has it. Plemonade Mac. When life gives you

plemons, you make plemonade. And I think I guess I'll go with Britney Murphy here. But I also really liked how whenever anybody insulted future Mackay Pfeiffer's face, like h Brittany Murphy provides like the perfect love interest slash foil in this. But the plemonade for me is cheddar Bob, cheddar Bob all time, great character. Everyone's got a cheddar Bob and they're crew too. And if you don't know who the cheddar Bob and your crew is, then you're

the cheddar Bob. All right, Mac, we added X factor last week, but that's kind of stupid. I'm gonna throw that one away. Uh, let's do something I like to call instead, uh, wrapped up real nice? Whose story was wrapped up? The best? Not gonna answer this, gud, I'm gonna say his mom she won Benghost. He's got thirty two hundred bucks, which is like fifty five hundred in today's cash. There's a lot of cash for it, and in Detroit that's like one point three

million. Buy a house even today, you could buy two trailers and stack them on top of each other. Oh quick, double wide. Oh you're talking double decker couch style, Yeah, but trailer max credit Uni. You know who you're give him credit to It's gotta be eminem again. He's in every scene of the movie. He doesn't get a nomination for this. I think if he was more well liked at the time, if there wasn't as much controversy surrounding him lyrics in his personal life, I think he could he

would have goneered a nomination like the last nomination in a year. I don't know if I would go that far, but I would also say that I think he's very good in this Yeah, phenomenal, absolutely phenomenal Pants ten City Excite, bike Mania? What in this movie got you going? And for me, it's just besides the sex scenes, the rapping at the shelter is just like the beginning. Even the first guy that he battles, he's pretty good, but those last three rap battles is just it's Martin Scorsese's cinema.

I'll say, baseline, every rapping scene, every at the little like underlying score that's in half the movie. But my biggest pants tent scene other than the sex scenes, because that's pretty clear, is the chintikis when they're rapping in the parking lot. Ten Freaking Girls, ten ten ten Freaky girls. My favorite favorite scene in the whole movie. I'm surprised you don't do that more. I can't tell you how many times I've that in real life,

and maybe Morty will pick up on it. Almost no one picks up on what I'm referencing, and I'm like, how how do you not know what I'm referencing? For those of you tarty to the Mac and Goo party, we rate everything on a forty hot dog rating system, and I would say truly one of ten movies growing up that like had a real influence on me. Something that walking out, I'm like, I'm gonna be a rapper. I'm gonna wrap battle everyone I see now. I'm gonna buy a dictionary.

I'm gonna buy a Theosaurus. No one's gonna stop me. I looked at myself in the mirror, and I said, how can I take aim at myself? What are my enemies gonna look at me and say, I'm gonna get that. I'm gonna get myself first. I'm gonna make sure of this.

This movie is great. I'm not sure the last time that I saw this full movie prior to watching it yesterday, but I have at least seen these rap battles at least once a year since, Like, I have gone out of my way to watch the final half hour and it is just some like that's my favorite stuff, like that final the final rap battles, and like I said, future kind of sways the audience a little bit. But

I fucking love it. I love it so much. The in between scenes might not have had the same effect as me on me as they as they might have in the past. So I'm looking at like thirty thirty four. Oh my god, I came into this. I came into this with thirty three. But you have really You've really opened my eyes again. I think thirty four is like baseline pretty good. It's a B. I think I think it's a B. Yes, I'm trying to be realistic about that. No, you're not, No, you are not. I'm looking at your

shit there. You're not being realistic. There's a clear bias in here from White Chocolate. But even if you look back at lists from two thousand and two, like ten Best Movies, this was on a lot of people's lists. I'm trying to look back versus you know, in its era in two thousand and two, The Two Towers forty dog movie, no doubt, best movie of the year. I think you have Minority Report, which was pretty close, roughly a forty dog movie for me. I fucking love that movie.

Catch Me if you can probably better than this Other than those three, which were our three other nominees when we did the vault for this year, I would probably take this movie over every other movie from that year. Oh, we forgot to give a credit for spawning Yomama with Wilmer Valderrama and Wilding Out. You had Roads Perdition, which some people love as an all timer, no doubt, but I would prefer this. You're the first spider Man,

Sam Reimi. Spider Man came out that year, Signs great movie, Insomnia, So it's I think it's in the conversation for best probably six, top six or seven on the year. Did Catch Me if you can come out that year? Yeah? Two thousand and two, Yeah, I have this at thirty eight. Hot Dogs Gooo. It's not an all timer, but in any given year it could finish in the top No, but for you, is it an all timer? Yeah, like no doubt. But if I were gonna if I were to make a list of one hundred greatest

movies, this wouldn't be anywhere near the top forty year five. But also, can you name me another movie that you walked out being like, that's what I want to do? I would be hard pressed to come up with one higher on that list than this one. Again, separate from the M and M stuff and the white chocolate stuff, the pacings phenomenal. The drama is great, the music is awesome. It perfectly defines and captures like two thousand and two. I think it's a great movie. Who thinks it's a

very good movie or a pretty good movie? No, but I also think the bookends of it are fucking amazing. And you know me, this is what it is more than anything. Goo. I am a sucker for a satisfying conclusion, and this is the most satisfying. But even the beginning with him, you know, not being able to go on stage, choke, choke, choke. All right, well let's get to the timeline then, yeah, how about that. Also, just realizing spoilers if you haven't seen

this movie, yeah, hours ago we opened Detroit nineteen ninety five. Uh you hear shook ones in the background, see b rabbit in the bathroom mirror kind of like trying to get it together, fucking throws up vomits on his sweater. Bouncer won't let him back in until Future vouches for him, So you're like, even the people at the shelter don't want Jimmy there. We find out his ex girlfriend has claimed she's pregnant. He gave her the car.

He's going to move back in with his mom an eight mile. Uh. We kind of figure out Papa Dox like the king of the shelter. He's the host. You see the choke choke choke line that Papa Do's not the host. Future's the host. Oh sorry, yeah, Papa Docks the king futures the host. That sets the characters like down a very good path for the rest of the movie. Uh. When he finally gets back to his mom's trailer, he walks in on his mom riding cowgirl on Greg Buell.

Great scene, and you sent a perfect thing. Let me see it was from Cinema Sins. Let me grab the exact quote here. What did they say? Cinema Sins is a pretty good take up of this movie.

I got rid of it to not have a naked but on my one second, Okay, I have it from your text, give me a second, all right, all right, Cinema said said Also, it's not like Jimmy's quiet as he walks in there, but his mom doesn't even turn around to see who's coming in the front door as she's letting someone else come in her front door. Yeah, Greg's the one that notices she keeps riding. It's fucking incredible. Yeah. Also, him and Greg Buell went to the same

school. Yeah, but Greg was three years older. Again, Kim Besiger is great as white trash in this. We meet his sister Lily. Then we meet Wink, who's promising Jimmy the world. He's an over promiser, under delivered, just classic. Also, we figure out that Wink doesn't really like the shelter, probably because know what, the shelter really likes Wink.

Then we meet Brittany Murphy's all outside the factory. And also one of my sneaky favorite scenes is the double Bird because he's trying to flip off his boss flips her off. She flips it back right then and there you're like, oh, Alex gets it. I'm in on Alex. And then go my second favorite scene of the movie outside of the Chintiki scene the Sweet Home Alabama remix. My name is Jimmy, his name is Greg Buell me him and you. We went to the same school and Future it's the school the same

time that Jimmy does because he gets it. He understands Rat. You know, he knows what's coming. Yeah, it's that kid rock song right A live man a trailer. Uh. We find out when caing Future fucking hate each other, we get a couple Biggie Tupac references, which is always fun. Again, the freestyle circle outside of the Chintiki is my favorite scene in the In the whole movie, I quote it way too many times. No

one ever understands what the fuck up quoting. They get in a quick fight with the free world there, uh cheddar Bobb yells yeah, fuck the free world. And this is where we get the first instance of you need to take your white ass back across eight mile. Another thing that I quote all the fucking time. I say it almost every day. Also in this movie, Future keeps on telling Jimmy that as soon as Jimmy wins a rap battle, three one three or the three one third, is that what their group's

called? Yeah? Three one three it's easy living for them, Like that's it. As soon as this happens, their reputations through the roof. I don't know if it did anything. I don't. I think you're putting you're putting words in future's mouth. Three I'm not that's exactly what he's saying. And then we get a couple of minutes later the scene where Eminem pulls the Yui, gets out and starts to fight with Free World. That's where Chetta Bob shoots himself in the leg, and we cut the scene of the car

where he asks Jimmy if mc bob is a good rap name. Uh back at work you Jimmy smokes exhibit at that lunch truck, and that makes Alex so moist. They got to immediately run into the factory. Fuck. I will say that Cinema Sin's also did a great takeup of like so for a break, you get thirty men minutes. He waited in line to get his uh deviled eggs for so long, then he went outside and did a rap battle. Then he had sex for what feels like forever. How long are

these breaks? I probably was probably about thirty minutes. Crammed that all in in thirty minutes he did like, I don't even know if he got to eat. Actually, he was probably pretty hungry that day, especially after sex. Not on those boiled eggs that are for the defending machine disgusting. Uh and then uh not too many minutes later, he fucking finally makes it to the studio to meet Wink. Was he fine? Go his boy Wink fucking his girl Alex? They hadn't know what was going on because they knew Jimmy

was coming. Excuse me, I know you must just threw up. That's how upset this makes me. Yeah, I think this was a little bit of Alex testing be rabbit here, like I know you might catch us, but this is fun for me as a thirteen year old, I was I rashly upset in the theater. I was like, how dare you? Motherfucker?

And then minutes later we get like the scare scene quote unquote of the movie with a Free World, with a Wink holding the fucking ice back on his face, comes and beats the shit out of him in front of his little sister, which is like hard to watch. She's screaming Jimmy from the trailer. It's like hard to watch it's not great. I don't like that scene though. It's like, wink, grow up. Yeah, seriously, you gonna have your friends beat him a fucker? Yeah, if you deserve

it. Wake deserved his beating. Wake. If you want to fight him, fight him, yeah, fight, fight like a man. His mom wins Bengo thirty two hundred. Huzzah. They get they're gonna get a double decorationd How much money is she putting into the pot that she's gonna get thirty two It must be a massive banquet hall that they're doing bingo in, because

that is a lot of money. Yeah. The combination of him getting his ass beat and then running into Alex again and her kind of taunting him about not going back to the shelter finally motivates him enough to go back and redeem himself. Uh so we get we set the scene for like the final act at the shelter. And this is where you took a note here from a from a Papa Doc line. At this point we should have all said, maybe Papa Doc isn't a great insult rapper. He said to Cheddar Bob and

to Jimmy, it looks like a handicap convention. In here. Yeah, he really smoked them. You're gonna they have anything more clever. You're the three time champ of this rap battle. I don't know why he keeps saying three either. I don't know where you're getting that number for. It's at least three, I bet, I bet it's like a month. Yeah, I'd say probably. If it's a month, he doesn't have to do it anymore. What's he doing? I think he's gonna retire. Yeah, his

friend with the glasses suggested that he retired after winning it once. First battle rap. On the evening he gets Lickety Split, and the whole audience is like, ooh, this almost seems like lickety Split was maybe underseated. I don't know how they do the seedings. Might have been some controversy back in in ninety five. Uh, lickety Split, pretty good job. But Eminem uses his own line against him at the end of his and walks his eight

is his white ass back cross eight mile. I think that's what puts Eminem over the top. But the crowd didn't understand that reference. Yeah they did. They didn't know that callback. It was a callback to something earlier in the movie. No Lickety Split says it in his in his in his rap it yeah he does, all right, my bad on that. But I would also say that as soon as eminem I'm sorry, it's not eminem. As soon as Jimmy finished his rap, future just a means like, that's

that, that's it, that's it. It's over because he just showed his white ass because he just finished his rap. You gotta let people know. You gotta get people. You gotta give you the thirty seconds. Take a step back, consider the first rap, think about it, and way, all right, guys, let's see what come. Let's see a show of hands for licking down. Let's see a show of hands for be a rabbit. I think I could host this. I think I could host this.

Don't get me wrong. It was close. Lickedy got it, and then he's faced up against Lotto, who is also got corner, but it's more jacked. He gets hit with the leave of the beaver line, and then at the end of that he's like, oh, the leave the beaver line almost killed me. But he spins it back on him good, which is obviously a common theme leading up to his final battle with Papa Doc. He

said I think you were a little hard on the beaver. So is Eddie Haskell, Wally and Miss Cleaver pointing to the Free World, which a great, great fucking line, and then he basically tells him he's he's a he's a roted out freak. And he's also like, you're saying the same same shit he did, AKA, you don't have anything else on me, and then he beats him. Then we set up for what is like such a

satisfying moment that Papa Doc is like, let this bitch go first. Like I can't even think of any Rocky movie, any like Karate Kid, any Final Showdown, uh Usa, Verus, Russian Miracle, Mighty Ducks. I can't think of anything more important than this one final rap battle. And it starts so perfectly. Now, well he stands tough. I notice that this man did not have his hands up. It's like perfect. Fuck. The Free World three started with a chant for if you want to win a rap

battle, just fucking chance. I am white, I am a fucking buck. I do live in a trailer with my mom My boy future is an uncle Tom. I do got a dumb friend named cheddar Bob who shoots himself in his leg with his own gun. I did get jumped by all six of you chumps, and wake did fuck my girl. I'm still standing hands screaming Fuck the Free World. Seminal moment in my lifetime. Then he brings it back though, yeah, but I know something about you. So good.

The lady says it, it's so good. Went to brook it's a private school, and Clarence's parents have a real nice marriage, and everyone's like, boo, fuck you, you suck. It's so good. It's so fucking good. Like what an insult? Oh, your parents love each other, you only have one Christmas? You loser? Uh, it's so good. Fuck the Free World three one three, and then he exchanges the bird

with Alex again. Then we get to your favorite line of the movie, where it Is tells him you're the man now dog, you ain't got to work, and he's like, no, I didn't make any money off that. I need to buil money. I love. Right after he says that, the beginning of Lose Yourself starts playing and he's like, nah, I gotta go back to work, and he starts walking down the alley and Lose Yourself plays us out in the theater. Fucking amazing. Then he jumps in

the air with his hand and it goes into a freeze frame. The final Yeah, you're right, the final, like twenty minutes of this movie is just fucking eight thousand hot dogs. It's so fucking good. It's so good. I think I'm good with the be I think that cool. I'll put it this way. I tried really hard to not give this forty hot dogs. I was very objective. Thirty eight hot dogs. That's pretty good. Max and Maxac could be anything, that could be a boat and Mac.

As the weather gets hotter, we are coming upon Freeze Pops season. So I need to ask you. There are six colors in a box, the old traditional box, whatever you want to call them, freeze pops, otter pops, ice pops, ice pops. Tell me which colors are you going to first? I don't even care what the flavors are because there's an argument always, Well, that's blue res or, that's caught in candy, that's tropical pups, that's watermelon. The flavor is the color, Yeah, the

flavor is the color. Yeah, no doubt about that. To me, there's a clear top three, and I don't know. I actually haven't had a free pop in so long, so I'm not confident with my number. I just bought them. So yes, Uh, but blue, green, and pink clearly head and shoulders above the other three. No, no, no, I think the clear two that are above the other three is blue and pink. Oh see, I would lean if James gun to my head, shot gun to my balls, I'd go green and blue with pink.

Third. Want to hear me out real quick, Okay, I think that green is the licorice of freeze pops. You either love it or you hate it. That's probably purple. Purple, I believe is delicious because it tastes like medicine. It's the worst flavor though, so I think that it's better than red. Though I think that red. Hear me out, shut the fuck up. Red is the most consistent flavor, like, you know what you're getting with red, but it's never one that I'm seeking out. Red

is clearly fourth, ahead of orange. That is clearly fifth. Purple is clearly sixth. And then in my homes as a child, purple and orange were always the last two. I still like them, but clearly the bottom two. And my parents' home right now from when I was a child. There are still green ones. Oh I'm going over there tomorrow. You can have those twenty year old freeze pops. It's still good, right. And also, I think that orange and red are closer than what you're making them

out to be. I think they're pretty similar. Yeah, four than fifth, but you can flip them. I wouldn't flip them. I think red's better than orange, but I think they're clearly fourth and fifth. You can make that the middle tier if you want. Now, I'll even say this is that I prefer pink over blue, but I'll give you the edge of blue over pink, because I those are the two best those you're gonna make our list. Blue would be number one, then, yes, our combined

list, and then pink would be number two. Where would you rank green? So green would be my last one, but because you have it number two, it would end up being three. Probably it might be number one on my list. So yeah, it would be three, and then red, red, and orange would be fourth and fifth in some order. And then purple, red and orange would be tied for fourth act because I have purple, I think at three, Oh what I like purple a lot at three, though, yes, Oh my god, it tastes like medicine.

I love medicine. I'll tell you what. We would be a good split though, if we had to eat free spots together, because you can take blue, we would get half the pinks. Okay. So say if we say, if we opened a box of twenty four, let's say how many, So this six flavors. So let's say if we had a box of eighteen. This works out perfect. Three flavors. Need to know, make it even number? Make it no, no, let's make it an odd number. Wait for it. Okay, So if it was an odd number,

would open the box. You would get two blues. I would get two pinks, would each get one of each. Then you would get all three greens. I would get all three purples, and then we would work out the rest. That might work. Yeah, the math works out pretty well. It might. I'm also saying that most likely they're gonna sell them in a twenty four pick, so that was kind of pointless. I would like one of every flavor, though. Let me make that clear. Oh

but you don't like purple. No, I like purple. It's just clearly six. You just talked to them, would you fucking hate it purple. No, I said, it's clearly six. I like it though, I just like it about you. I like them all. It's like skittles, I like them all. Purple is just clearly the worst one. You eat them, did you like mash them up first and then like eat them as

a fine slush. You know what I really liked was taking an extra long cut of the top and eating that little little bite at first, you know, like a like a little costcoat taste teaser right there. You know what I used to do as a kid. And this makes no sense. So you usually buy them when they are just juice. Yeah, you put them in the freezer. They freeze over, and then what I would do is

I would sell science works. But then I would take them out of the freezer, wait until I turn back into juice, and then drink it. No. I did like though, if you grabbed like six or eight, because you're not just getting like two, you're getting a handful in a paper towel, and by like the third one, the fifth, sixth, seven, the eighth, worns are getting pretty juicy, so you're getting like a different texture with each freeze pop as you go along. Would you ever mix

the colors. Oh yeah, yeah, did that quite a few. Sometimes I would intentionally not drink the bottom bits of juice and then by the end make one long thing of juice. You are a mad scientist. Yeah all right, guys, so head over to Twitter right now. Tell us your favorite freeze pops, tell us what you think our rap name should be, and then just you know, tell good that you're sorry that he threw up yesterday. And I bet in two thousand and two I ate a shit ton

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