How to Manifest Now – And Keep It Flowing

Jason & Tina Marie (00:02)
manifesting now, not later, not someday, right now. And we are discussing three foundational laws that make this possible. Understanding how to get in the flow and use the law of attraction, cause and effects, and vibration to manifest your desires now. Here with us is our special guest, Ms. Lawson. All right. It's, Jason.

Watch that baby. It's Friday. You think so? You know what Friday means. I don't. What does Friday mean? Friday means cue the music. All right, let's get it.

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Hey, hey, hey, welcome to the show. Hey, welcome back everyone. Welcome to another Friday Night Live with us. Yes, yes, yes. So who are we? We want to say welcome to another episode of Loving Beyond the I Do Podcast. We are your host, Jason and Tina Marie. That's me. And we are here to educate, inspire and empower individuals with actionable strategies. ⁓

Mindset shifts and meaningful insights. That's So we want you to know right now that we use the manifest method and you may say well What is the manifest method is something we use to help you get stuck off of cruise control stuck off? Get get get unstuck. There you go. That's it off cruise control All right, so let's hit it

All right, so before we get into tonight's episode, if you haven't grabbed your copy of Manifest, a Joy-Fueled Relationship, the book. I don't know why you would not have. If you have not grabbed your copy of Manifest, a Joy-Fueled Relationship, make sure you go to Amazon and do that. Also, if you do have your copy, can you please go and do the review at amazon.com?

And that's ⁓ Manifest a Joy-Feel Relationship. Do the review of the book. So if you don't get it, if you haven't gotten it, make sure you go and get it.

That's what I need. All right. All right. So back by popular demand, right? The Manifest You workshop is open again. All right. But not for long. OK. OK. Our last Manifest You workshop that ended yesterday, it filled up fast. Yes. Yes. Can I get the look? All right. It filled up fast. And we heard you loud and clear when you said that you

wanted to get in, we let you know that once is field is field. due to overwhelming demand and countless requests from those who couldn't register in time, we've opened up one more time, one more exclusive session. Now this is four days live. Yes. For a once in a lifetime experience. So spots are extremely limited. I'm going say that again, because that's what happened last time. It was like, I can't register. The spots are field.

So it is an intimate quaint session and this is why. This isn't your typical webinar or our typical webinar. We keep the group small on purpose or we've kept the group small on purpose to create a safe and supportive space for real breakthroughs, deep reflection and soul level growth. So if you've been waiting to connect with yourself, shift your mindset and finally step into your power, right? We saw all about the power.

This is your moment and it may be your last moment for this particular workshop webinar workshop. All right. So imagine four guided days focused fully on you. It'll be June 9th through the 12th. That's next Monday through Thursday from 630 p.m. to 730 p.m. Central Standard Time. Central. That means Chicago time for people out there. People like it's Central Time. We're in Central Time. That means Chicago time. So that means find out what time it is in Chicago and it starts at 630 in Chicago time.

All right, it's to rewire habits, release the past, realign your true self, and learn the proven manifest method framework that changes life, what we just talked about, Mindset, awareness, those things. So, but once the group is filled, that's it. ⁓ So, I'm gonna say it again, guys, secure your seat now before it closes again. Transformation is waiting. The only question is, will you be there?

with it or for it or to receive it. you can register now at legendary relationship dot com. There should be a link for the manifest you workshop. You can click on it right at the top. Yes, is. All right. So it's limited dates. It's a mid group. But big, big, big shifts. OK. So who is this for? This is just for women only.

But men, we hear you, we heard you, and Jason will be hosting one specifically designed and created just for you. we're gonna call it the man cave. This will be the following week, June 16th through the 19th, again, Monday through Thursday, but his time will be 6 PM through 7 PM. But it's not set. The time is not locked in. So if we hear back from you and you guys need to adjust it, it can be adjusted. It has not been

set in stone yet. There will be ⁓ adjustments if there needs to be. Now, just like the women's workshop, this will only be open for a limited amount of time and a limited amount of people, right? These particular workshops are curated to support a safe space for men to be vulnerable, openness, sharing, and more that men usually aren't allowed to express or discuss.

That's right. We can get real. Yes. Yes. Yes. I'm going to say it again. This has been curated to support a safe space for vulnerability, openness, sharing, and more things that men usually aren't allowed or feel comfortable discussing. unfortunately, this is not a party. So it's not for all. It's just for a limited amount of people. Right.

Want to do the work who wants to do the who wants to do the work? So it's only it's not a party. It's not just all your friends won't get in So don't think it's for everybody if you feel like this is for you jump in So again, it's just a limited few it's on a first come first serve basis framework So if you get in you get in if you don't you out. All right So that is it Would you like for me to read it or do you want to read it?

All right, so we're to get into our guest. So let's tell you a little bit about our guest. So we are welcoming Shirley Lawson tonight. All right. She is the founder and spiritual director of Meditative Life Ministries. Her email is Shirley. Oh, wait, wait. I'm going to do her email is meditative life's minutes. Meditative Life Ministries to that's the number two at Gmail dot com.

All right, the Reverend Shirley Lawson, a resident of Matson, Illinois, is a licensed universal foundation for better living ordained minister. Reverend Shirley graduated with honors in 2007 from Trinity International University, earning her bachelor's of art degree majoring in organizational leadership communication. She also received a bachelor of metaphysical science B.MSC degree and a metaphysical practitioners diploma.

from the University of Metaphysics in Sedona, Arizona. Reverend Lawson founded the Great Lakes Transformational Empowerment Ministries, which provide spiritual support classes for women and men in recovery since 2003. This ministry has been a change agent, empowering people with knowledge of their spiritual greatness so that their lives can be transformed. Her message of hope, release, and recovery has helped break free

has helped break free from addictions and realize their divine potential. I'm say help people break free. All right. She is the founder and the spiritual director, as I said, of the Meditative Life Ministries, Inc. It is a non-for-profit educational organization dedicated to helping people live a more mindful and meditative life. Its vision is people everywhere improving their lives and communities through meditative practices.

One of Reverend Shirley's grandest accomplishments happened right at the grounds of Unity Village on August 24th, 2016. As Minister Direct of Christ Universal Temples, Meditators for Better Living, along with Christ Universal Temple, Universal Foundation for Better Living, and Unity Worldwide Ministries, Reverend Shirley spearheaded the honoring

of the Reverend Dr. Johnny Coleman with a commemoration service, followed with an unveiling and dedication of a plaque and paver in honor of her work and for being the first African American to live on the grounds of Unity Village in Lee Summit, Missouri. The day was a tremendous success, cultivating with Unity's major

David Vest and the Board of Trustees honoring Dr. Coleman with a proclamation making August 24th, 2026 the Reverend Dr. Johnny Coleman Day at Unity Village. Since 2018 Reverend Shirley has been Unity Village's featured meditation leader for the Fillmore Festival. Reverend Shirley is the author of the book Golden Spiritual Nuggets.

a compilation of inspired sayings that offer food for thought and practical advice to those on the spiritual path. She is also a part of the planning committee and meditation leaders of the People of African Descent New Thought Group, the PADNTG, celebrating our Soul Conference at Unity Village last August and again, they will be doing it again August 20th, who did it? August, last August,

And again, August, 2024. That was last August. So think she means again, August, 2026. All right. So October 21st, Reverend Shirley received an outstanding servant servant leader award at the Harvest Online Convention in Manila, Philippines by the Reverend Ragtime. And I hope I said their name, that name right. The Reverend Ragtime or town right time.

Okay, we're gonna leave that alone. All right, so let's welcome, that was a long bio. So let's get right into it. Let's welcome Shirley Lawson, and for some of you, it may be Reverend Shirley Lawson. Welcome, welcome. And if I messed up anything, we just gonna keep on going. So, all right, you are a little low, so just make sure that you speak, just project your voice, and I know it may be hard, because you do have a soft voice. So, for some reason, you just seem a little distant.

Shirley Lawson (12:41)
Thank you. It's such an honor to be here.

Okay.

All right.

Jason & Tina Marie (12:56)
All right, so

is there anything else that you would like to add to that 15 page bio? So tell us about the personal Shirley. What do you like to do? What are your hobbies?

Shirley Lawson (13:01)
Bye! Bye!

wow. Well, you know, it's kind of hard to fit my hobbies in.

Jason & Tina Marie (13:15)
With all of that, right?

Shirley Lawson (13:18)
with all of that going on. But, you know, I really just like relaxing, hanging with family and friends and socializing, you know, going to concerts and going to the Black Ensemble, things like that.

Jason & Tina Marie (13:33)
All right, all right,

all right. Enjoying life, all right. That's what life is all about. So we are going to get into the laws tonight. And I know you love the laws just like we love the laws. So we are going to start with chapter two. So soon as I get my ⁓ thing I was gonna get some. ⁓ I'm sorry. ⁓ so we're gonna do some comments.

Shirley Lawson (13:37)
I love having fun.

Jason & Tina Marie (14:00)
You gotta let me know what you're doing, I know, I know. I'm doing my own thing over here. So Dennis says, happy Friday. you. Happy Friday, Dennis. Glad to see you. Happy Friday. We missed you last week. I know you saw Doc gave you a shout out. Where is Dennis? Welcome back. All right. Gold Rush World Conference says, good evening, my golden couple. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening, Gold Rush. Yes. Gold Rush always showing up. Yes, yes. All right.

And Regina says, good evening, Jason, Tina and everyone. Good evening, Regina. you celebrated hard last week for your birthday. you had a good You know she don't mess around. You know she don't mess around. All right. So Dennis says, welcome, Pastor Shirley. All right. ⁓

Shirley Lawson (14:44)
you

Jason & Tina Marie (14:47)
All right, then she said good evening again. Let's do it again. Let's just put it on there. Good evening, everyone. That's what Regina said. All right, let's see. Slide it on up. Yeah. know every time I look over there, I feel like J. All right. The greatness of Shirley Lawson demands a lot of words. Yes. Yes. I was supposed to see how I could cut it, but I was like, OK, I'm just going keep on the flow. All right.

So guys, don't forget if you are out there, we cannot, we cannot see your name. So just drop a heart, drop an emoji, drop a hey, drop a hey family, a high Friday, whatever it is, or just drop your Just drop your name so that we can shout you out and thank you for being on this Friday with us. So as I said, Jason, let's get started. So let's go ahead and get started with chapter two. two. So let me tell you what chapter two is. If I'm not mistaken, chapter two is the law of vibration, is it not?

That is correct. All right. So hey for everybody out there if you have your books, you know, you know, we when we come we come to talk about the laws. You're get educated. Tonight is about manifesting. Manifesting when? Now. Now. When, Robin Sherrily? Now. So. ain't listenin' around. All right. So get your books guys and we are on chapter two, the law of vibration.

Shirley Lawson (15:58)
Now!

Jason & Tina Marie (16:05)
Now this is one of the most misunderstood laws because it is often lumped in with the law of attraction. true. But listen, before you can attract anything, you have to understand your frequency. All right. All right. So the law of vibration states that in our book, if you look, that everything is energy. Your thoughts, your emotions, your beliefs.

even your past wounds or the wounds you still carry. They may have come in the past, but you're still carrying them around. So they all vibrate at a certain frequency. And last week we talked about frequency. You remember that, Dennis? Just like a radio or TV station has a frequency, so do you. All right, so then we're going to get Reverend Shirley to come in in a minute. You got something say? Yeah, so if you... I think I do. So if you're vibrating at shame, fear,

Bitterness or insecurity guess what you will continue that experience in your relationship. So watch what you're vibrating absolutely, so ⁓ That's why the book in the book, you know, you're going if you're looking from it I don't know the pages says that if you want to change what's coming to you You must change what's going on or coming from you?

All right, so Reverend Shirley, let's get into chapter two and what are your thoughts on the law of vibration and people vibrating at a certain frequency?

Shirley Lawson (17:33)
This is a great subject. All of the things that we're gonna be talking about is just absolutely very powerful. ⁓

Jason & Tina Marie (17:40)
So before

you start, drop something in the chat if you can hear her, because we can barely hear her and it might be us, but if you can hear her loud and clear, Gold Rush Women's Conference, Dennis, Regina, if you guys can hear her clearly, just say yes and we'll continue on. Okay, go ahead.

Shirley Lawson (17:57)
⁓ okay. All right. I hope they can hear me. Can you hear me better now? ⁓ okay. Well, just like you just said, Tina, that, ⁓ you know, really it's what Albert Einstein called it. Everything in life is vibration. And that means that everything vibrates. As you also have said, from the physical world to our thoughts and to our feelings, all

Jason & Tina Marie (18:15)
Mm-hmm.

Shirley Lawson (18:27)
vibrating at a specific frequency. And, ⁓ you know, this also includes not just the material world, but also our emotions, our thoughts. They are all energetic fields around us. And, you know, in a spiritual context, ⁓ vibration, it refers to an energetic frequency. And so what we have to be

Jason & Tina Marie (18:37)
Okay.

Shirley Lawson (18:57)
mindful of is about our vibration. What frequency are we functioning on? And as you said, Jason, as you said, if you're functioning on a lower frequency, which is all about negativity, that's where you're going to remain until you raise your frequency. And the way to do that is to focus on

Jason & Tina Marie (19:06)
So when we said just... ⁓

Shirley Lawson (19:27)
higher vibrations and they that are associated with positive qualities like love, joy, gratitude, peace, compassion, all of that. We also have to think about and remember that the thoughts we think on inside of ourselves determines our vibration.

Now you know Tina and ⁓ Jason, I can go on and on. You just jump in there. You just jump in there. This is very important when it comes to frequency. Because we're all emitting frequency.

Jason & Tina Marie (19:59)
⁓ I know that, but you know what, that's why, cause you the guest. Come on now.

You're right. Right.

And I think the problem comes in is when people don't realize that they're emitting from the past, from a negative standpoint. So I know in the book, and we've always talked about it here, is that we are creatures of habit. So even though we get out of a relationship, if we haven't healed or done the work, right, the work that we're talking about now,

Shirley Lawson (20:26)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Jason & Tina Marie (20:44)
And

so now you're trying to talking about, I'm gonna do the law of vibration. I'm trying to get something different. What we don't realize is that if you haven't changed how you think and how you feel about either the person, the old relationship, who you are now, people don't realize that they're still on that same frequency.

Shirley Lawson (21:06)
they're

on the same frequency and it really does spill over into that law of attraction. They're gonna only attract at their level of frequency.

Jason & Tina Marie (21:18)
And so I know sometimes people say, I'm not negative, right? Right. And I think the hardest part is realizing you have to be mindful of where the negativity is. Because you can have had bad experiences that make you negative about certain things. when people, huh? Yeah. And so you're walking around thinking that

Shirley Lawson (21:41)
my, yeah. ⁓ yeah.

Jason & Tina Marie (21:48)
You're okay, but you're stuck in this frequency of I'm hurt. I don't trust you. I don't want you to get close. I'm damaged. know that it may be, you know, that because people give that word negativity, right? It's one of those words that we really do have to break it down. We really do have to unpack it because negativity can mean anything. It means your outlook and people think, well, that's just the way I think. And that's the problem. That's the problem.

Shirley Lawson (22:08)
yeah. yeah.

Yeah, it's

the way you think it's your worldview. It's it's your past in all of these things. They can be they they live in inside the subconscious mind and we are aware of it until the mirror shows. And if we are unaware of of who and what we are, we're never going to be able to confront that.

Jason & Tina Marie (22:18)
Right?

Shirley Lawson (22:45)
negativity or that pain or let's just let's just not use negativity. We won't be able to confront the pain you know that we experienced in life. ⁓ Maybe the abuse that we've gone through any of those things we cannot deal with it until we become aware of it.

Jason & Tina Marie (22:47)
Right.

Right.

And that's something that's, but we say that all the time. Yes. Yeah. So in our manifest method, the A stands for awareness, right? And so I always tell people you can't change what you don't face or you can't change what you're unaware of, just like what you said. Right? So it's sort of like, ⁓ it's of reminds me of like, ⁓ like the tuning of the radio, like Tina mentioned earlier, you can't tune into, say you tune into 95.5.

Shirley Lawson (23:24)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Jason & Tina Marie (23:36)
but you expect to hear what's playing on 107.9. So you can't, and if you can't do it in life, you can't do it in your relationships, it's no different. Period. And as we talked about, everything is relational. It's not just the relationship with the intimate relationship, it's all of your relationships. And people fail to realize ⁓ that, right, when you're trying to do, you're trying, so we're trying to,

Shirley Lawson (23:36)
Mm-hmm.

No.

Jason & Tina Marie (24:06)
get jump out of one relationship into another relationship, or we leave one job and go to another job, or we stop going to this particular club and we go to another club or another church and we can fill in the blanks with a whole bunch of other things. And if we haven't changed or become aware of what we are emitting, right? understanding that you're going someplace different.

Shirley Lawson (24:12)
Mm-hmm.

Emitting.

Jason & Tina Marie (24:31)
but you're still, as Jason said, you're still on 95.5 or whatever, and you're trying to, thinking that you're vibrating at the frequency of up here, but you're still vibrating at a frequency down there. So, and then I.

Shirley Lawson (24:45)
Exactly and and you're gonna

always let me remember The song of Teddy Pendergrass everywhere you can't hide from yourself everywhere you go there you are and That applies to frequency if that frequency if you don't raise your frequency and You raise your frequency by raising your consciousness by raising your awareness

Jason & Tina Marie (24:54)
Yep.

So I know we always and it has been a known thing now our people say well, how come you know, I've changed I don't longer think the same and but why do I keep attracting the same people? So this and this is why as Jason stated the law of attraction and the law of vibration get confused Because they think well, why am I attracting that same person? They don't realize that they're sending out a different frequency than what they want. Yeah, so so talk about that when people are

Shirley Lawson (25:30)
Yeah.

Jason & Tina Marie (25:43)
You know, and it's a little bit deeper. So I want you to kind of go into how people can become aware or what they can do to become aware. You know, that, that self check, that introspection.

Shirley Lawson (25:58)
Okay, so we're talking about, you know, what are the different, what are the keys, so to speak, to understanding the law of vibration? Well, I think we have already said it, but I'll reiterate some of those keys. We have to realize, understand, and practice that everything in life is vibration.

Jason & Tina Marie (26:06)
Yeah, okay.

Shirley Lawson (26:28)
Everything vibrates from our physical self, our physical world, and our thoughts and our feelings. And when you know what, and when we come into ⁓ a realization of that particular truth, because it is a truth that never changes. It's a truth that never changes.

Jason & Tina Marie (26:44)
Mm hmm. Right.

Now, that's the truth with a what? Capital T? Okay.

Shirley Lawson (26:49)
Capital T. Uh-huh.

We will then understand and respect the power of

Jason & Tina Marie (26:58)
Okay, so I'm just gonna interject here. So for you all who may not understand what they just said about truth, a capital T, so we've learned in school, right? There's something that's true and there's something that's false, but we're talking about the truth, like the laws, they don't change. so when she says with a capital T, it means that there's a lower case T truth, that means that's your truth. It may not be the truth.

Shirley Lawson (27:21)
and wrap, wrap.

Jason & Tina Marie (27:23)
It may not be universal truth. It may not be, but it's your truth, what you believe something to be. So when we're talking about capital T truth, it just means something that never changes. It's absolute. It's always the same. And so let's get our comments real quick, Shirley, before we finish. All right. Go up, go up, go up. ⁓ OK. Right there, my bad. Jan, I got this.

Shirley Lawson (27:39)
Okay.

Pfft ha ha ha!

Jason & Tina Marie (27:47)
You

you know you miss right there. See I already said that. Oh, no, no, yes Happy Friday, family and friends. Thank you Nancy. Happy Friday Somebody almost skipped you again. Show now you might want to just keep typing. All right Jan says good evening to Jason and Tina have a fabulous fantastic Friday Blessings to everyone and Reverend Shirley. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you All right

Shirley Lawson (27:57)
I'm happy.

Another key,

another key. ⁓ okay.

Jason & Tina Marie (28:16)
So Dennis said he's on chapter two. Yep. All right.

So I know specifically we talked about some stuff in chapter two and I think you've gotten to a Reverend Schrodinger, but you were talking about the truth that doesn't change. Oh, you got some more, Jason? No, that's, we're not doing that one.

Shirley Lawson (28:26)
Right. I wanted to point out another

key that is very important.

Jason & Tina Marie (28:34)
Mm-hmm.

Shirley Lawson (28:36)
Every thought that we think is a psychic. Now when I say psychic, mean mental, spiritual energy. So this can help people to understand, well, I've changed, but I keep drawing the same thing. We have to...

Jason & Tina Marie (28:46)
Okay.

Or I can't find

either. I'm drawing the same thing or I can't find what I want. Okay.

Shirley Lawson (28:58)
Or I can't find.

And the very, just by dent of you saying that I'm drawing the same things and I can't find, that's a frequency, that's a vibration, that's a psychic energy that's been sent out into the universe that is gonna give you back what you just said.

Jason & Tina Marie (29:20)
So we have to watch our thoughts and our speech and what we say, right? So that's a very good point.

Shirley Lawson (29:27)
Every word that we speak has a vibrational energy that draws to itself that which is like its nature.

Jason & Tina Marie (29:32)
Mm-hmm.

Okay, back to what you said, right? Just write that. So on chapter two, under the law of vibration, on page 41, the second paragraph says, you become what you think about most of the time. Your relationship is no different. Your relationship doesn't become what you want or desire, but what you form through your vibrational energy of thought and feelings.

Shirley Lawson (30:06)
Let's rock.

Jason & Tina Marie (30:06)
So

if you think that you can't find the person, or you feel that the person's not out there, and you wonder why they haven't came to you yet, you are emitting a frequency that's really repelling the person. Right, repelling the person that you say you want.

Shirley Lawson (30:23)
yeah, yeah.

And you know, the vibration and energy is how we can either draw our good or repel it.

Jason & Tina Marie (30:34)
Absolutely, absolutely. All right. So are there any questions? can you go go ahead? Okay, have to be mindful pay close attention to our thoughts our actions and our feelings to know what we need to change to have a change in our life and And most of the time that's easier said than done, right? So she said we have to pay close attention. Oftentimes people are paying close attention

But they're still at, so I'm gonna use the word consciousness, right? They're still at the same thinking level. they say they wanna change, and they go, okay, I'm no longer going to do some of the things. I'm gonna stop drinking, I'm gonna stop eating, I'm gonna stop going out to parties, I'm stop doing this. And what they fail to realize is, as you said, they have to pay close attention to their thoughts. And oftentimes, that's not where people pay attention to at all.

Shirley Lawson (31:28)
No.

Jason & Tina Marie (31:28)
Their

thoughts. Their thoughts because they feel as though, well, I've said I've changed. I know what I don't want. What they don't pay attention to are the thoughts they're thinking in their mind and the quietness, right?

Shirley Lawson (31:36)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

And

what you say to yourself, that self-talk, you know, they're just, you know the saying I have, being unaware that you're unaware. And I think the thing that helps us to become more consciously aware of our thoughts and our feelings, our words, our actions, our reactions, ⁓ it's done through meditation.

Jason & Tina Marie (31:47)
Exactly!

Come on. Come on.

Shirley Lawson (32:13)
I think meditation is the catalyst that will help shine the light on that which needs to be released.

Jason & Tina Marie (32:13)
We're going to.

And I know for Jason and I, when we do, and this is how we help people with our coaching and our one-on-one and our workshops, is to show you the how, right? So you said through meditation. And part of it is not only getting the information of what it looks like and why you end up doing what you're doing, but another catalyst is knowing that you're stuck and trying to figure out how to get unstuck. Because it's easy to say,

It's your thoughts. It's your words. It's your feelings, right? That's right. That's what you're You're joining in. No, no. You say that those are the buzzwords. Yeah. I know it's my thoughts. know I'm stuck because of my thinking or I haven't moved. I haven't done anything. But it's so much more than that. We really have to get down and figure out what is it? You just saying it is fine, but you have to really... What does that really look like to you? Right. Right.

Shirley Lawson (33:05)
you

You gotta go deep.

Jason & Tina Marie (33:17)
Mm-hmm. I'm trying to look in the book because I had something so as you said before each object So I'm trying to uh I'm trying to I was trying to get something out of the book. Okay, well, I'm gonna put this all right these comments up here. Oh Yep, Dennis, okay. All right. Good Dennis said I felt this I have probably confused with my dating history

You know what? just went off. I've got, I'll get them back up there. All right, so let's read it. But my mirror work, I'm not selling for anything or anyone who doesn't align with the new dentist. Now, we're not saying that dentist, what we're saying is make sure that dentist aligns with the new dentist. So make sure as you're doing the mirror work that you remember to stop thinking the thoughts about dentists, right? We sometimes...

Shirley Lawson (33:50)
you

Jason & Tina Marie (34:16)
have negative self-talk. And we have to, even though we call ourselves being aware, sometimes that awareness is not being aware of what creates change. Does that make sense? So what we're doing is we're spot, as you said, we're shining the spotlight on the negativity instead of the change, Dennis, what's positive about them. And so, you know, when we talk about, and I know this gets way off and stuff, but we talk about affirmations and denials.

Right? so, so tell us the purpose of, I'm talking about shining the light on negative stuff. And you say I'm doing the work instead of shining the light on positive stuff. So I want you to relate that to affirmations and denials, right? Not that we're denying something, but how we change that negative. if you could go into that, did you follow me? Are you with me? Okay.

Shirley Lawson (35:04)
Yeah, I'm following you.

And we're still on this thought and feelings and all of that. So when you become aware of what your thoughts are, what you're thinking, what you're saying, you have to catch yourself. And you can catch yourself. I have a little jingle that said, catch it, check it, change it. You can't.

Jason & Tina Marie (35:31)
Okay, say that again.

Shirley Lawson (35:32)
You can't catch it if you're not conscious of it. So when you catch yourself speaking in negative terms, so to speak, or thinking it, because it's all going to go into your emitting it into the universe, you have to immediately use a tool that will help you change what you're saying and what you're thinking.

It's going to help even change what's maybe in your subconscious mind that you have even forgotten or didn't even realize was there. And so an affirmation is used ⁓ to change or I like the word to reprogram our mind.

Jason & Tina Marie (36:20)
Okay.

Shirley Lawson (36:21)
You use an affirmation. It's a positive statement of truth. So like the young man that just said about, ⁓ you know, not going to accept something that ain't aligned with what the new dentist, Dentists forget about what you ain't going to accept. Once you get it together, once you set your intentions,

Jason & Tina Marie (36:37)
Right?

Alright, and explain it.

Shirley Lawson (36:50)
and know what you're all about, they can't even come, now you.

They won't even step to you.

Jason & Tina Marie (37:00)
And and that's exactly what we were saying when When someone wants something, but they're not the equivalent, right? So whatever whether you it's the same thing if you are not Aligned with what you want. It won't it won't step to you, right? Right, but if you

Shirley Lawson (37:22)
You gotta have something that equalizes it out. Now I've attracted people that have far more money substance than I do. ⁓ But I got substance.

Jason & Tina Marie (37:30)
Okay.

There you go. There you go. But

you're but but to see maybe the thing is that you are releasing that vibration because you know that that's your vibration. ⁓ That's right. All right. And so you got it. If they got it, you got it right. All right. So let's see what this is. OK.

Shirley Lawson (37:46)
Right, always has been.

Jason & Tina Marie (37:57)
Hey Sandra, how are you? So welcome to here and see you, Reverend Shirley. All right, yes. Make sure you didn't miss anything above, I didn't. yeah, yeah. I'm gonna get this one. Okay. Kelly, Kelly, Kelly, Fabulous Friday. Thank you for joining us. Thank you so much. All right. And we have to stay with Dennis's because as we're doing it, so Dennis said, so we have to, yes, yes, absolutely. 100. That's right, Dennis. All right. So let's get to this one.

Shirley Lawson (38:26)
Hahaha

Jason & Tina Marie (38:27)
Well,

hey, Doc, you go say hi to us first. Hey, did it. Right, so go to next one. All right. Good evening, Jason and Tina and Rev. All right. Good evening, Doc. Did I click that? Uh-uh. Yeah. No, right there. OK. OK. Doc say good evening, Reverend Shirley Price Lawson. Wow. That's right. ⁓ that reminds me. So.

Shirley Lawson (38:31)
you

Good evening, good evening, Doc.

Jason & Tina Marie (38:49)
Everyone who is tuning in, if you could do us a favor right now, we're supposed to say this at the beginning, if you could go into the comments section and tag three to five friends, all right? Let's tag three to five friends. Let's spread the word. This Friday we're talking about manifesting now. So we're getting it out there, how to manifest right now. And the first thing we're talking about is the law of vibration. Understanding so, of course guys, we can't give it to you all.

but realize that everything is energy and vibrating at its own frequency. So that's chapter two. Now we're gonna, I know it's a lot to be said, but we're gonna move to chapter five and that's the law of cause and effect. And I have known Shirley or Reverend Shirley for a little bit of time and this is one of her favorite things. So this is where things get really eye opening when we're talking about awareness, when we're talking about being conscious of things. Right? Yeah, because every action

Shirley Lawson (39:35)
You

Jason & Tina Marie (39:46)
has a reaction. That's right. Simple, right? But here's where people get tripped up. They think that they're victims of life instead of being creators. Right, right. And so, and so again, let's talk about some of these words. And I want people to make sure that they understand what creators mean, okay? You're just not.

reacting to life. You're actually creating it. You're constantly, consciously, and unconsciously ⁓ creating what you're doing. Now there is a higher power that created you, but you are the co-creator of life through your choices, through your experiences, through your knowledge, or the lack thereof when you don't know. So we do have free will. So for every cause, which is your choice,

Shirley Lawson (40:20)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Jason & Tina Marie (40:32)
there is an effect, which is the experience that you are experiencing. So. Yeah, it's kind of like that unhealthy relationship pattern that you keep experiencing. Right, that we talked about, right. You know that it's not, that's not random, right? Not at all. Right? It's a result. The effect of repeating, you know, repeating your causes, your beliefs, your choices, your energy and your actions. That's right. So, so don't say like, I don't know why this keep happening to me. I don't know why I keep picking the same person.

Shirley Lawson (40:42)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Nothing is random. Nothing.

Jason & Tina Marie (41:01)
So now we talked about the vibration now we're gonna go into the law of cause and effect So Reverend Shirley, let us break it down for us ⁓

Shirley Lawson (41:09)
break it down.

One metaphysical definition that I love about the law of cause and effect, it is the law of sequence. It's the balance wheel of the universe. In other words, whatsoever a person's souls, that shall they also reap.

Jason & Tina Marie (41:25)
Okay, okay.

So that means if they plant a tomato they go they shouldn't expect a banana

Shirley Lawson (41:41)
They shouldn't expect a banana. And the other thing to understand about this law of cause and effect is that it teaches us that we live in two worlds. The world of cause, which is within, and the world of effect, which is the without.

Jason & Tina Marie (41:43)
Okay, so go ahead and finish.

Okay.

That's all.

Shirley Lawson (42:06)
have a golden spiritual nugget. It says causes create effects. Effects are never the cause. So don't look to them for answers. They can't help you.

Jason & Tina Marie (42:17)
All right.

That's right. All right, so we can go ahead. So Reverend Shirley, we're going to pick this conversation back up. And Jason just brought in, we have another guest, and that is Veronica Douglas. I don't know why I got it. Veronica Douglas Walker. Was it Walker Douglas? Walker Douglas. Veronica Walker Douglas. And excuse me, Veronica. I had your stuff, but I didn't. So we're going to have Veronica in. And we had her on. You have to excuse me.

Shirley Lawson (42:34)
Okay.

Okay.

Jason & Tina Marie (42:51)
who is a licensed therapist and she is here to talk to you. She is ⁓ in the process of doing her doctoral project and so she's coming to you. So give them a little background about you and then the project.

Veronica Walker-Doug (42:51)
Thank

Sure, and so once again, I appreciate you Jason and Tina and good evening Reverend Shirley as well. So it's just good to be among miracle workers here. So the background really, really quickly is that I am doing a workshop. It's a one day workshop. It's actually a requirement for ⁓ to complete the doctoral degree, but it's so much more. And I love how Jason said a couple of weeks ago that this is an opportunity for those who participate.

Shirley Lawson (43:11)
Good? Hi.

Veronica Walker-Doug (43:33)
to be a part of writing the story. We always say research says this, research says that, but you joined this group for this one day when it's going to be, which is not known right yet, but I am still in process. So I'm just trying to do the recruitment. 45 to 60 year olds remarried, husband and wife in a remarriage due to a divorce. That's the basic criteria. Why? I mean, why this group? Well, this group has been excluded.

You know, the world focuses on first time marriages. I take it a little bit further and I want to bring in those who are remarried because what we do know is that they lack support. How do I know that? Because 60 to 70 % of remarriages are ending in divorce. So we want to interrupt that dynamic and provide remarried couples with the support that they need. And that's why I'm here. And so what I'm hoping for, this is not just, okay, well, yeah, I want to graduate. Fine.

But beyond this group will be future workshops in training other practitioners like myself to work with the remarried population because Jason, Tina, Reverend Shirley, they are not the same. They are not just a second marriage. They come with a whole group of different dynamics. They come with baggage. They come with kids. They come with various things. my word. Yes, absolutely.

Jason & Tina Marie (44:56)
Grandkids sometimes, yeah.

Veronica Walker-Doug (45:01)
That is the bottom line. ⁓ you know someone that is you, come and spend a day with me. You'll get lunch, you'll get takeaway items, you'll get a free session with me afterwards if you choose to so that I can do an actual couple session with you just to kind of process some things. yeah, and it's not, no one's gonna be digging your brain. It's going to be a very safe environment. I wanna hear from you.

you know, when the student is ready, the teacher appears, I don't have a lot to teach. I'll just be very honest with you. I want to hear from you. Yes, I have tools and I have research, but I want to hear from the couples. I want to know what your experience is so that I can put that in what I'm doing and present it to a larger community so that we'll know what to do. So that's me. That's me.

Jason & Tina Marie (45:53)
All right. All right. This is our time to show up and be counted in the research. All right. So you are if you are 45, is it an older or is it a stop age?

Shirley Lawson (45:53)
you

Veronica Walker-Doug (46:05)
I am my my lovely chair advisor told me what did you say your ages were? said sir I said 45 to 60 and he said can you repeat that and I said 45 to 60 so and so it is 45 to 60.

Jason & Tina Marie (46:18)
Ha!

So 45 to 60, if you are both remarried from a divorce, so you both have to be divorced and you both have to come from a remarriage from divorce. All right, 45 to 60, it can be you. And so if it's the wife or the husband, can you do one or the other or do you want both? I know you want both of them, but can you do one or the other?

Veronica Walker-Doug (46:22)
You

Right, I do need to have them both participate in the workshop, yes.

Jason & Tina Marie (46:47)
Okay, so so we need the actual couple 45 to 60 both remarried from a divorce Contact us you can contact legendary relationship or we will put in the show notes So right up on this so go ahead ⁓ Veronica and give us the information if they want to reach directly to you We're gonna put in the comments section on the show notes, but you can give them to them right now as well

Veronica Walker-Doug (47:09)
Thank you. Good old fashioned phone number, you all. 708-218-2271. And Tina's going to say, and once again, and I'm going to say 708-218-2271. And Jason's going to say, say it a third time, 708-218-2271. Thank you. Thank you.

Shirley Lawson (47:14)
You

Jason & Tina Marie (47:26)
I'm

think she's to

our think she's trying to take our job over here. All right, thank you Veronica. Thank you so much. So guys, make sure you reach out to her if you are in that demographics. That's right. All right.

Veronica Walker-Doug (47:38)
Thank you.

And I appreciate

you so much Reverend Shirley. I'm receiving a blessing. I know you're sending me a blessing. Thank you. Amen. Thank you. Okay. Bye bye. You all take care. Bye bye. Bye. Okay.

Shirley Lawson (47:50)
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. ⁓

Jason & Tina Marie (47:52)
Bye bye. All right, you take care. All right,

Shirley Lawson (47:58)
you

Jason & Tina Marie (48:00)
let's get our comment and then we can continue on. right.

See you again.

Thank you. Okay. Right there. Well, that's the only one I want here. Dot says you are your own experience. Okay. Okay. Let's say these words. are our own experience. So ⁓ what does that mean, Dot? What does that mean? So we are so, we are a world of cliches.

Shirley Lawson (48:34)
experience.

Jason & Tina Marie (48:43)
But what does that really mean, right? So let's get the next one, then remember Shirley, I want you to break it down for us, and then I want Dot to tell us what she means by that. So Kelly says, ripples of your actions can either calm or storm the waters of your life. All right, all right. So that's right, that is absolutely right. Get those little ripple effects, those domino effects, those, where did this come from? It came from, so Dot said what? You are your own experience.

Shirley Lawson (49:00)
Absolutely.

Jason & Tina Marie (49:12)
Okay, then Veronica, you're watching, Dot said, hey, Veronica. Yep. If you're still listening or you're still on. All right, so go ahead, Reverend Shirley.

Shirley Lawson (49:13)
Yeah, I don't think...

you

So yeah,

that is ⁓ sort of a cliche that is used in new thought environments.

It's what we've been saying all along. You are only going to experience yourself.

You might have to go, you might, you might even have to go deep in meditating on that statement to really decipher what that means. I am my own experience. I don't care.

Jason & Tina Marie (49:56)
Okay, so people may say,

my mother is this, my father is that. Their experience with me is not me. My mate, my husband or my wife does this, does that, does the other. They're going to say.

Shirley Lawson (50:17)
They're going to say that. That's what I was getting ready to say. It doesn't matter what is going on on the outside.

Jason & Tina Marie (50:25)
So they're gonna want to know how how So they're gonna want to know how is what's happening between me and my mate my mother my father How is how was that me because it says you are your own experiences? So let's see what that says real quick. Mm-hmm. Your thoughts can bring your own experiences. Okay, so So we my our whole thing is we don't want to stay on the surface

Shirley Lawson (50:27)
It is what's happening on the inside.

Jason & Tina Marie (50:53)
When you say you gotta go deeper, we want people to go deeper. So I want people to understand what that means when we say you are your own experiences. So if you are unhappy, if you are, you just said that there has been a cause for every effect. So I may say, well, it's what Jason did. He caused me to do this. This was the effect, right? So, but if you all are saying that it's on me,

Shirley Lawson (50:57)
Thank

Jason & Tina Marie (51:23)
How is that me? I can't control him. Yep, yep, I was. Yep, so.

Shirley Lawson (51:23)
It's me, it's me, it's me, Lord, standing in the need of prayer.

Let me share just, you know, not too deep of an experience. I experienced abusive marriages. So yes, that was an abusive situation, but how was I going to get?

of that and change my thoughts, my feelings, my words, actions, and my vibrations so that I can attract differently, I had to discover what was going on within Shirley.

Jason & Tina Marie (52:04)
So you think Shirley attracted that to her? were your experience? Would you have agreed with that? Mm-hmm. ⁓

Shirley Lawson (52:08)
I was my own experience. And

once the transformation took place, which has been over 30 years ago, nothing like that would ever enter into my life ever again.

Jason & Tina Marie (52:22)
And so that was an experience, right? And people who may be listening, you may not be in an abusive relationship, but we are trying to get you to see, as we've all said, right, your thoughts, your feelings, and your whole general emotions are what you experience in life. So.

Shirley Lawson (52:45)
Yeah, and just think about that, that you are your own experience. No matter what's happening outwardly, you have to stay ⁓ mindful and conscious of what's happening inside of you.

Jason & Tina Marie (52:50)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Right. And so...

Shirley Lawson (53:03)
You know,

it's just like Mandela being in prison for 25 years. He freed himself while he was there.

Jason & Tina Marie (53:09)
Right. Right.

Right, exactly.

Shirley Lawson (53:15)
And this is what we have to do. It's me. It's me. Standing in the need to become aware of my experience. If I want to change what I'm experiencing, I've got to change how I'm even looking at it inwardly.

Jason & Tina Marie (53:24)
So.

Exactly, and that's what we're trying to get right No, it never is because we never think what we never think it's us Right it's always somebody else it's always I don't care what the situation is is always somebody else and You know people I just wanted Reverend Shirley to go ahead and break down calls in effect because that's where we were before Veronica came on so go ahead and

Shirley Lawson (53:40)
It's not gonna be easy.

Absolutely.

Jason & Tina Marie (54:06)
and go ahead and dissect cause and effect for us.

Shirley Lawson (54:10)
Okay,

so I gave you that definition. So I think one of the keys to or the keys to understanding the law of cause and effect is as I said earlier, to remember that it's the law of sequence. It's a balanced will of life. Now, sometimes we might be experiencing the law of cause and effect that we have don't even remember that we caused.

Jason & Tina Marie (54:12)
Mm-hmm.

Right.

Shirley Lawson (54:42)
You know, I love an example that, Garrett Zukoff gives in his book. He says, like, say if you're driving and you, you, you get pissed off at somebody cause they ain't driving fast enough or you, you do something that is creating a cause which is going to bring about effect. He said, even if something happens in your life that that's so good, you still got to be mindful of the causes that you said.

Jason & Tina Marie (54:59)
Yep.

So true.

So what's the nickname of this this law?

Shirley Lawson (55:11)
So.

ha Karma. You know, you know, I gave a lesson years and years ago about, you know, embracing cause and effect is nothing but karma. So don't get hung up on the word karma.

Jason & Tina Marie (55:16)
People some karma, karma.

Mm-hmm.

That's right. Don't get hung up on none of these words. All of these words are to help you.

Shirley Lawson (55:36)
Karma is reaping what you sow.

Jason & Tina Marie (55:40)
And you just said, what you sow, you shall reap, right? It go together.

Shirley Lawson (55:44)
you shall reap. And

so if you remember that, that's key. I think another key is that we need to be, when it comes to cause and effect, be intentional in how we interact with others. know, always ask yourself, because so many people aren't aware of their own intentions.

Jason & Tina Marie (56:00)
Mm-hmm.

That's true. Or you know what? Sometimes people think they're acting and doing one thing. Well, in their mind, yeah, they feel that. And you said, right, we need tools. You have to go deeper because you say, I didn't do it to harm someone. And it's not about the harm. It's about being aware of what you're saying.

Shirley Lawson (56:36)
of what you're saying. Absolutely, And learning to be intentional.

Jason & Tina Marie (56:36)
and what you're doing, right?

Look at that one, Mac, because the next thing I was gonna read was from the book in chapter five on page 125. says, law of cause and effect stresses the significance of intentionality in your interactions, and I'm gonna put with anyone. It says with your partner, but with anyone, right? Your interactions, and you said intentionality.

Shirley Lawson (56:47)
You

Mm-hmm.

intentionality. So a thing that we again need to remember that this law of cause and effect it's all about reaping what you sow. So when you understand that law you will be intentional in your interactions with your partner and other people.

Jason & Tina Marie (57:34)
See, I keep beating this drum because the problem is that people just aren't aware at the level they need to be aware. And I say that because you- Well, they haven't done enough work. Repeat what you just-

Shirley Lawson (57:47)
Well,

and it's habitual.

Jason & Tina Marie (57:51)
So

Shirley Lawson (57:51)
You know,

in a partnership, in a marriage, a relationship, just think one little simple thing. You don't speak to the person. You show, you, what is your intention behind not speaking and not communicating?

Jason & Tina Marie (58:09)
Not speaking.

Right. So your first intention is I want to let them know I'm mad. Right. Yeah. Absolutely. And so but I think that's the part they're aware of. What they're unaware of is that you're going to reap what you sow. Right. See that's where that's.

Shirley Lawson (58:15)
Absolutely. And you got to be aware of that.

what you saw. For every

action, there's going to be a reaction. As you said, Jason.

Jason & Tina Marie (58:29)
Exactly. so this and

so now let's connect. Let's go even further. Let's connect this with the law of vibration. Right. So if I if I get upset for something you said or did or didn't do and my reaction, my intentional reaction is I'm going to be mad. I'm going to show you I'm mad with that energy. What is the energy that they're emitting? Yep. Anger.

Shirley Lawson (58:52)
That's the, and what's gonna come back to them? Anger. The universe can only give you what you give.

Jason & Tina Marie (58:55)
Exactly.

And that's what I'm getting people trying to understand. You're giving out this.

Shirley Lawson (59:02)
It,

hey, it takes a lot. You got to immerse yourself in this kind of mindset and understanding.

Jason & Tina Marie (59:05)
It does.

or just a mindset shift, realizing that

you're not getting what you want in a relationship, not because of the person, but because of your thoughts, your feelings, and your actions, whether they are intentional or not. So getting people to understand, well, if I want my mate, really I'm upset because they didn't love me, they didn't show me love, they didn't give me a kiss, they didn't do what I wanted them to do. There's another way to express that instead of,

Shirley Lawson (59:24)
Mm-hmm.

Jason & Tina Marie (59:39)
Emitting a frequency that's down here right that negativity that anger and wanting someone to come back That's craziest thing right that's not reaping what you saw right so so I'm gonna get mad

Shirley Lawson (59:49)
Yeah, yeah. That's that's that's again

working, working within ourselves because you, you, you, know, you think, Oh, I'm just keep getting angry people or, or, or whatever these things I keep attracting to myself. I've got to become aware of that same thing within myself and raise my vibrations by raising my thoughts up to those higher vibrational levels of love.

And when you do that, you know, it's going to even help you ⁓ transform and heal relationships. All of them. You may not have to, you may not have to, it's almost like the forgiveness process. You can forgive somebody that doesn't mean that you got to stay connected to them.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:00:28)
All of them, all of them. Especially the one you have with.

And, and-

That's right. But I was gonna say that too because often times, and so I meant to ask you this beforehand, are you on a timeline?

Shirley Lawson (1:00:51)
Well, not really.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:00:54)
Let us know if you have to go. I don't want to keep you longer than you have to. Let's get these comments and then I'll get into that real quick. OK, cool. All right. Versi. Versi says, hello, Tina, Jason, and Reverend Sheryl. Hey, Versi. Thank you for chiming in. All right. All right. And then we have. You got another one? Yeah. All right. So Kelly says, embracing your experiences can foster self-awareness, resilience, and personal growth. It can. It can when we embrace our experiences. sometimes, and again,

Shirley Lawson (1:01:01)
Okay, okay. I'll hold you a moment. I'm thirsty!

Jason & Tina Marie (1:01:23)
I'm looking at these words and these words sound good, right? It's not what's in the plate. It's not what's in the plate. It's the digestion of them that I'm trying to get to. Because we can eat food and if we don't understand the digestion process, then we're not understanding the whole purpose of choosing the right food. And choosing the right thoughts, the right actions. And so when you just said... ⁓

Shirley Lawson (1:01:30)
Mm-hmm.

right.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:01:49)
It can even be like a forgiveness, right? a release net. But oftentimes, people don't want to forgive because they think that it's letting the person off the hook. and all of that... Wait a minute. it... I mean, that's the craziest thing, right? I don't want to forgive you because it looks like I'm letting you off. Yeah.

Shirley Lawson (1:01:58)
no.

Right, right.

You did something to me.

But the thing is, what we have to understand about that is that it is a healing process of releasing and letting go.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:02:25)
So what do you mean a healing releasing process? What is it? can, how can, and this is for people who may not understand this.

Shirley Lawson (1:02:30)
Well, see, we forgive, when we,

yeah, okay, when we forgive, we are letting go of the resentment, the pain, the experience, all that came, all that we are not forgiving.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:02:48)
So are we saying that they were right when we forgive? And I want people to understand.

Shirley Lawson (1:02:51)
⁓ heck no.

again, I want to go from an experience that I had. I had an experience where a situation was quite hurtful for me. But I just remember in the midst of that experience, and I said it had to be the energy of love within me. Because I wanted to start. I mean, I almost burst out in song. I got nothing but love for you,

You know, I really was welling up within me. And so when it comes to forgiving, it's going to be difficult for us on a personal level. We've got to go to that higher mind that is within ourselves and ask for help to forgive.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:03:41)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

So, so. Which isn't easy.

Shirley Lawson (1:03:53)
I got to go to

that higher place in me so that I can forgive because if if I, if I work through my personality, I'm not, I'm not going to forgive you.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:04:03)
my humanness.

I'm not, cause you hurt me and I want to hurt you. And what people don't realize is when they hold on to that idea right there, ⁓ I want to hurt you cause you hurt me. That's what keeps them hurting. So

Shirley Lawson (1:04:07)
That's right. That's right.

And

that is what keeps them attracting who they attract.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:04:25)
that keep attracting stuff that hurts them because they haven't released it. So let's read that message real quick.

Shirley Lawson (1:04:30)
You gotta, that's

why I said, I gotta go to that higher power within me to help me forgive. I'm not depending on Shirley to do it. No, it's easy once you get the hang of it. You gotta do the work. Remember what we learned in.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:04:39)
Is it easy?

Is it easy?

But you gotta do the work. But you gotta get that hang of it. See the problem is people don't want to do the work. People just want to walk out of one

relationship and they just want to say, know what? want to say two affirmations, three Hail Marys, and they say, I've been saying it and I've been doing it and they're not really doing the groundwork. And you know about what's showing up.

Shirley Lawson (1:05:05)
They're not doing the groundwork. Even

if you do a Hail Mary, that's no guarantee that you're gonna keep doing Hail Mary's.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:05:13)
All right, let's get this message.

Shirley Lawson (1:05:19)
There's no guarantee.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:05:21)
My

problem as I was seriously was told is that I hold on to people places things that no longer serve me today Karma is real and it's something that will eventually catch up with you, too. So I will And then he cut off that was it. Yeah So I know something else. ⁓ was it? Yeah So I so I will take you can't see it. So I will take accountability for my mistakes and actions and work

to avoid these mistakes in my future interactions. The thing is, when you change, your actions change. Your interactions change. Your mindset change. And so the old person and the old ways and the old things, you won't wanna do. But we have to understand when we talk about, and it's in there, we're creatures of habit. We have, what are we talking, we have ⁓ created neural pathways.

Shirley Lawson (1:05:58)
Exactly.

Absolutely.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:06:19)
that says this. Sand scars. Sand scars. That's right. These are neural pathways that are comfortable. It says, this, and it starts lighting up and goes straight to what to do. And so we have to rewire our brains. And part of that, as you said, doing that through the meditation. people, you know, you say meditation, and people get all these fluky ideas about what meditation is. And I just tell them, it's just you becoming, just shut up. That's what it is. It's just becoming quiet. Just shut.

Shirley Lawson (1:06:21)
Sam Skarars, Sam Skarars.

Exactly.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:06:49)
up. Right? Right. Right.

Shirley Lawson (1:06:49)
What is now I'm going to Saturday.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:06:52)
Like, like, like Rihanna, she got that finger up to get that, the, the, the tattoo. That's what she was saying. The tattoo just, that's what meditation is, is you sitting down and shedding up, just shut up, shut your thoughts up, stop thinking, you know everything. And that's the problem. The intellect of us, right? The intellect, the human part of us.

Shirley Lawson (1:06:57)
Yeah!

Just be still.

Yes,

Interlec is our servant. It's not the master.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:07:18)
So you didn't went into a whole new thing. didn't pay for this until like I... People like what are you talking about? It's a servant and a master. So we're gonna take this message. that thought. Kelly said forgiveness is a powerful part of the process. Yes. Yes it is. But forgiving yourself for the mistakes you made in that thing.

Oftentimes we say I shouldn't have did this. I shouldn't have did that. And we really never forgive ourselves for that. And so we end up forgiving the person, but we don't cleanse ourself. That's negative talk. We don't say, you know what? I just didn't know better. I was immature. I was looking for love in all the wrong places. Whatever the reasons are, the thing is that when we know better, we're supposed to do better. So that's why we have love and beyond the I do. And it's not just intimate. It's about

Shirley Lawson (1:07:58)
Right. We do,

Jason & Tina Marie (1:08:06)
all your relationships because when you get yourself together all of the other ones will fall right into place. Let's get that room show don't move. right. Forgiveness is freedom free your free. I think she meant freeing you but okay freeing yourself. She said freeing yourself. Put it back up there. you yeah freeing yourself. Yes freeing yourself. then she said freeing yourself. And then here is

Shirley Lawson (1:08:28)
It is, it's definitely freeing ourselves. And then that's

when we got to go deep and ask ourselves questions. Why am I holding on to this pain?

Jason & Tina Marie (1:08:41)
And then she says forgiveness is a choice.

Shirley Lawson (1:08:43)
It is, it is, it is. But people

don't realize that it is a choice. It's a choice to say resentful, ⁓ unloving, angry. All those things are choices. All of that is a choice.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:08:56)
All right, we gonna get into,

so I think I asked you to answer a question. get into the servant and the master. And then we gonna go to chapter, then we gonna move on to chapter six, guys, the law of attraction.

Shirley Lawson (1:09:04)
⁓

Okay

Jason & Tina Marie (1:09:11)
So you you said something and people may not understand that about that intellect, right? I'm smart. I'm intelligent. I know everything I've read 500 books I don't know what you talking about, but I'm smart enough to know that I can outsmart you So what do we mean and what happens when people think so you said the intellect is the servant not the master baby break that down Just go ahead break that down

Shirley Lawson (1:09:40)
Let see if I can pull up a definition from Charles Fillmore on intellect.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:09:47)
Okay.

Shirley Lawson (1:09:49)
sure and sweet intellect is not wise.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:09:50)
Okay.

What? Intellect

is not wise.

Shirley Lawson (1:09:58)
And Dr. Paul Masters says that you can be a walking encyclopedia, but if what you say you know, you can't use it to improve your life and the life of others, you don't know nothing.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:10:14)
Don't know nothing. So that means that you are supposed to tell your intellect what to think and do. Is that what you mean by the servant?

Shirley Lawson (1:10:21)
Your intellect

will only do right when you are its master.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:10:28)
Yeah, you're gonna have to give me some more.

Shirley Lawson (1:10:29)
Intellect

does not, we should not allow all the degrees that we have, all of whatever we have, control us. We should not let, yeah, we should not let that be our master. We can see in the world today what having material things and having whatever you have, how it can really cause some serious issues.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:10:41)
process, how we think things.

Right.

Shirley Lawson (1:10:59)
You have to understand

that again, as Philmore said, intellect is not wise and it should not be our master. We appreciate intellect because when let's go back and look at how the idea of wisdom functions within humankind, it functions in us as intelligence. So we are grateful. We want to be intelligent.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:11:20)
Right?

Yeah.

Shirley Lawson (1:11:27)
It functions in us as intuition. Well, if I'm so darn intellectual, I will never listen to my intuition.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:11:38)
Mm-hmm, I and I guess when we talk about that we're talking as inspiration,

Shirley Lawson (1:11:44)
and it functions as inspiration.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:11:47)
But it's when we talk about balance though, right? When we were talking about way in chapter 12, ⁓ the law of gender, right? The intellect is more of like the masculine, the dominant, right? And then we're talking about, you gotta have some, we're talking about your thinking and your feeling, they have to be balanced. So that's what we're talking about when we talk about intellect. we gonna get, that's a whole, we- That's a whole podcast. Man, y'all opening up so many different cans. So let's stay on script.

Shirley Lawson (1:11:55)
yeah? ⁓ huh.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:12:16)
And that's what happened when we started talking. So let's go to chapter six and chapter six is the law of attraction. And so let's see what we what I have here. It says, so we're on chapter six, page one, 52, one 52 and its first paragraph, a couple of sentences down and says the law of attraction states that like attracts like and that was just like the vibration. And this is and that's what Jason said. People. I want to get this for Dennis. OK, so Dennis says,

Shirley Lawson (1:12:17)
You

Jason & Tina Marie (1:12:45)
Jason and Tina, am thankful for you guys. Sometimes I probably don't take the message correctly, but I regret my past. Don't regret it. Don't Every opportunity for you to grow. I have learned from it, holding on to hurt is so dangerous and unhealthy. Absolutely, Dennis, absolutely. ⁓ Then he says. I don't regret my past, typo. OK, good. OK, good. Wonderful.

Shirley Lawson (1:13:01)
Absolutely, Dennis. Absolutely, Dennis. ⁓

Right, hey, because

our past is brought us to where we are today.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:13:13)
Couldn't get here without it. Exactly.

Shirley Lawson (1:13:16)
⁓ Everything is

gross in evolution.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:13:21)
And the thing is when we come here, if we don't, if we don't, see, we can say there's a path, right? The opportunities come, sometimes when we make, said everything is a choice. If we make this choice, we have a cause and effect, and it just puts us back on the right path. So you have to go through those, those are just, your past is just the opportunities that you've had to get to where you are, absolutely. So what does Doc say?

Shirley Lawson (1:13:38)
you

I'm

gonna go even deeper.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:13:49)
So that says your degrees don't make you. Mm-mm, they sure don't.

Shirley Lawson (1:13:52)
Absolutely. I said I'm going to go even deeper Tina and Jason.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:13:56)
Okay, go ahead. says what you radiate you attract.

Shirley Lawson (1:14:01)
before we even materialize the body.

We all.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:14:06)
Now, Raven shoulder, don't lose them. Don't lose

them, okay? Go ahead and take them. Go ahead and take them. Y'all don't hang up. Don't disconnect.

Shirley Lawson (1:14:11)
⁓ We came

here to balance out stuff.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:14:16)
Okay. Give it to them. We came here. We came here. What?

Shirley Lawson (1:14:18)
We came here. Planet

Earth is where it's school. You came here to balance your stuff.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:14:24)
Planet Earth is school.

All right, all right, we gonna go to the law of attraction. So Rubber Sho don't leave nobody. The law of attraction suggests that like attracts like, both in thoughts and emotion. Go there. Choosing positive thoughts and feelings create an attraction where more positive experiences will come into your life and relationship. Where dwelling on negativity may bring about undesirable circumstances and discord. That's 152.

Shirley Lawson (1:14:28)
you

Jason & Tina Marie (1:14:52)
That's the second paragraph. Talk about that. Just talk about this attraction thing. You know, this is the law that everybody knows about, right? Yeah. the law of attraction. Use the law of attraction. Well, baby, guess what? If you don't know how to use it, you will be attracting some stuff that you don't want to attract. So go ahead, rep, Shirley, whoever you want to ⁓

Shirley Lawson (1:15:12)
You know, ⁓

the law of attraction, it's a philosophy that accepts that our thoughts, as you've said, and our beliefs, they shape our reality. ⁓ We, again, are our own experience. Therefore, like a magnet, we attract into our lives what we are, as well as what we focus on.

So when it comes to this law of attraction, you got to keep that in mind. And some of the ⁓ key ⁓ keys to understanding this law of attraction, it involves aligning your thoughts, feelings, and actions with your desired outcome.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:15:58)
So I'm a sweet, I'm talking for somebody else. I'm a sweet, loving, wonderful person. I have attracted someone who does not treat me the way I treat them. I treat them with respect. I treat them with love. I put them first. How am I attracting what I am?

Shirley Lawson (1:16:17)
Well, you're holding on to what no longer serves you.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:16:22)
Come on, you, I don't know what that means, come on.

Shirley Lawson (1:16:23)
And

you have to work with coming into that realization that that is not what you want. does not align with what your desires are. And you've got to be, as ⁓ Zellma said, Saturday, OK with letting it go.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:16:42)
So if I'm married and my mate, ⁓ now they may not be abusive, but I may feel, or it could be my boss. It could be my boss. It could be anyone. It's just that if I, and the thing is You feel that you're loving? I feel like I give love and I don't receive it the way I, the way I think I should, the way I think I'm giving it. So you say it, you attract what you are.

Shirley Lawson (1:16:52)
Yeah, you could feel.

You don't receive it.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:17:11)
And so I really want people to understand it, because we get so hung up on these words, right? These cliches. It's what does that mean? How can you tell me that I am attracting what I am? ⁓ So is it something else? Is it the love? Am I missing it? So speaking from another person.

Shirley Lawson (1:17:15)
yeah. ⁓

You know, it could be, it

could be a variety of things again, that's happening within our own soul. And we, we can learn, ⁓ you know, going back to what are your desired outcomes. So if feeling like you're not loving me back,

Jason & Tina Marie (1:17:35)
Mm-hmm.

Shirley Lawson (1:17:55)
And my desired outcome is that you love me back. I need to be open and able to articulate that to you in a loving way.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:18:06)
And I guess you, so I might say.

This is where that loving way doesn't come in, right? I was just getting ready say that. ahead. I was just getting ready say that. The loving person may not be loving when they say that to their spouse. Because I want you to give me some... No, I'm good. I want them to be able to give me the love the way I want it and they're not expressing it. But I can't tell them in a loving way because it hurts because you're not giving it to me. I'm going to give it to me.

Shirley Lawson (1:18:28)
Mm-hmm.

Right, you're not giving it

to me. That's when you have to, if your intention is to keep the relationship, if that's your intention, if that's the outcome you want, then you need to do whatever it takes to be successful with that. If that means going to ⁓ see counselors or whomever you need to see to help you understand that if, you know, like a man can be...

probably abrasive in his in the way he communicates to his partner and that hurts the partner. If you don't ever if you if you're not willing to stop doing that.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:19:06)
Right. Right.

And that really ties it together because like I just said, if I believe I'm a loving person and I'm giving love and then my partner's not giving it to me the way I want and then my response is something unloving, that's something we have to be aware of. That's when we talk about that awareness. Yes. That's what's in that subconscious.

Shirley Lawson (1:19:34)
We got to become aware of that. And it may

be a painful subject, but it has to be confronted. It has to be dealt with if the intention is to save the relationship.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:19:43)
W-w-w-w-w-

Exactly. I think that comes with honesty. Yeah, intentionality.

Shirley Lawson (1:19:53)
We gotta go

back to intentionality because see some people can be unaware of their intentions. You may really not want to have the relationship.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:20:01)
Come on.

⁓ or they really don't wanna do the work. They want their partner to do the work. I want you to love me the way I want you to love me and if you gonna have to figure out how I want it, so I'm gonna be upset and stuck until you do it. And so the whole point of me saying that is that people have to understand, and I mean everyone. When we're talking about these laws, there is nothing fluky, mystical, ⁓ voodoo about them. These are laws whether you believe them or not. Law of gravity, it happens. We say it all the time.

You can believe it or go up on 40 story building and walk off. You can believe it or you don't have to believe it. But the law of attraction is real. So if you're getting something, if something is showing up in your relationship that you do not want, you gotta put your eye on yourself. People just don't understand that. What am I doing in my personal thinking? Maybe not what I'm doing. What am I thinking when my mate's not around?

Shirley Lawson (1:20:49)
Mm-hmm.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:20:56)
What am I thinking about my relationship? What am I taking in from other people's relationship and opinion? Right? This is where we have to understand. We talk about your thinking and your feeling and your actions is not the ones that you aware of them. It's the ones that you're unaware of. It's the ones that's going on playing in the background. The party you got going on in your head.

Shirley Lawson (1:21:11)
Absolutely, absolutely. It's what you are unaware of. And again,

I think, you know, if I'm in a relationship that is not loving me back, and it is my intention to stay in that relationship, I...

Jason & Tina Marie (1:21:30)
Well, they may be

loving you back. They may not just be loving you the way you want to be loved.

Shirley Lawson (1:21:33)
That may not

be, and then I have to even understand what their love language is. You know, you know, people have, you know, they grow up where they've never was never told, I love you. So that might be a challenge for them to say that to you. But then now I got to go beyond the words and what do I feel? What do I know to be true? What do I, what do I know to be true? And

Jason & Tina Marie (1:21:38)
Exactly. And like you said, there's so many variations.

Mm-hmm.

Right, right, that's so true.

Shirley Lawson (1:22:03)
It's a partnership, it's a relationship. So you work together to understand each other's language.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:22:11)
And but even so the understanding and I guess I'm just boiling it down because if we take everything everything we've said everything that we could possibly say it boils down to I have to do the introspection for sure I have to work on me because if my mates love language is something that I don't understand Then it's up to me to understand

Shirley Lawson (1:22:26)
you

Right, right. And so

many people don't understand their own love language.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:22:37)
Exactly.

Let alone they may, right? Okay. I don't know mine. I know I- I think it's this. I'm not sure what it is, but if you buy me some gifts, I'll be happy.

Shirley Lawson (1:22:52)
So,

you know, just in the closing, this law of attraction, focus on what you want, practice visualization, use positive affirmations, although I think affirmations are positive, and cultivate gratitude, take action, believe in yourself and in your relationship, have faith in your ability to manifest what you want.

and let go of negative thoughts.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:23:26)
And again, come on guys, we gotta do the work. Does Denz have another message? Oh yeah, Denz got another card there. Hold on one second. And everything she said, you can find it in Manifest the Joy Field Relationship. And it's not, the book may relate to partnerships, but you can transpose those with any relationship. I think sometimes people think what they are not getting in the relationship is more important than what both people should be getting in the relationship.

Good point, Dennis. I like that. OK. ⁓ OK. Good point. Good point. OK. Relationships shouldn't be one sided. Amen. But also, it was not a but. It's an addition to. OK. In addition to that, it should not be one sided. However, we should not be looking to our partner to fill us up either. No, that's not their You got to come full. You have to come heel.

Shirley Lawson (1:24:05)
Right.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:24:24)
You have to come whole. You have to come loving. You have to be what you want in your mate. So it's definitely not one-sided, as Dennis said. But you also can't go into a relationship looking for someone to define who you should be.

Shirley Lawson (1:24:40)
Right, right, right. It's a partnership, you know.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:24:47)
Absolutely. And oftentimes people say, know, and even in the book, right, we're not looking for somebody to ⁓ complete us. We're looking for someone to compliment us. Right. It's like a pair of shoes in a purse. The shoes can stand by themselves. Right. So can the purse. So can the purse. But when you put them together, they're just that more powerful. That's that partnership. Right. It's just like that that coat for a man in that hat. Yeah.

Shirley Lawson (1:24:58)
Exactly.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:25:16)
That brim. Yeah. Make you

walk a certain way. Yeah. Yeah, that kind of lean. That's right. It's the partnership. And that's in any relationship. The relationship with your parents, with your siblings. And we just have to learn how to start having that better relationship with us so that we can work on those kind of those other relationships.

Shirley Lawson (1:25:20)
you

other relationship. gotta have, we have

to work on having a better relationship with ourselves in order to have a better relationship with others. You know, we've got the power if we want to, to change relationships. If we want to.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:25:47)
Absolutely. ⁓

Absolutely. Absolutely. We have that power.

And again, like you said, it's a choice. Everything is a choice. So when you're having, really, so we're coaching people, we're talking to people just in general, and they're talking about having, you know, ⁓ an unsavory relationship at work, and you're trying to get people to understand it's not your boss. It's not your boss. If you feel like everybody is against you, then you're going to get evidence that everybody is against you. It's going to show up.

But if it is...

Shirley Lawson (1:26:24)
It's gonna show

up and even if you leave the job, you take yourself with you and it's gonna be the same experience. So you have to transform that energy. You have to transform that energy. Being on a job for 40 plus some years, I can tell you some horror stories of what I experienced, but I grew through them and I've worked with me. You know, I'm the power here.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:26:31)
Yeah.

Yes, yes, transform that energy.

That's right. That's right. All right. It's a different way of looking at it. If you're looking at it as you being the power and not, you know, my job is a problem. Right. I'm not giving my boss my power. I'm not giving the job or the environment.

Shirley Lawson (1:26:56)
You

not giving my power away.

Because let's face it, we're not saying that

people don't do negative things. We're not saying that. But it's how I'm going to be able to handle that. And there again, I cannot do that if I'm functioning from personality.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:27:26)
and I can't do that if I've given my power away. Because now you're dictating how I'm going to feel, how I'm going think, how I'm going to act. Come on, Did that go another song? All right, you got another message? All right, let's get this. All right. ⁓ So Dennis says, unfortunately, people go into relationships very unhealed, yes, and broken. So it's an uphill battle, especially if you don't seek relationship advice and counseling.

Shirley Lawson (1:27:29)
Exactly.

I'm your puppet.

you

Yeah.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:27:56)
And you know, ⁓ and really this is the main reason for our podcast is because we have these things and we don't talk about them. We hide them, right? And so we're becoming a society of more openness. We're talking about these issues because everybody has them.

Shirley Lawson (1:28:08)
Right, right.

Everybody has them.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:28:20)
Everybody has history. Everybody has baggage. Everybody has something going on in their soul that they need to heal. exactly. And so the thing is it can start with if you get yourself together before you get into that relationship, like if you get yourself together with manifest the joy, feel the relaxation. Or even spiritual nuggets.

Shirley Lawson (1:28:29)
Absolutely, absolutely. That's what we came here for.

you

Jason & Tina Marie (1:28:50)
Any self-help book, right? And so that's the whole point. That's the whole point. Start doing the work on yourself. And then if you're in a relationship, stop looking to your partner to do what you need to do. Like Dennis said, we come into these relationships unhealed. And we think because we've switched partners or we've been quiet so long or we're settling that it's going to get better. There's no reason.

Shirley Lawson (1:28:52)
Yeah.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:29:18)
to be unhappy in a relationship. The whole point of living is to be happy, to thrive, to live. Otherwise, you're just existing. So thank you for that, Dennis. ⁓ Robin, Shirley. And you know what? That also reminds me of why we created the Manifest U workshop. Absolutely. Yep. Right. Because you know what? We talk a lot about the issues here and things of that nature, and we bring them to the forefront. But in our workshops and in our coaching sessions, we talk.

Shirley Lawson (1:29:34)
Yes, yes.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:29:46)
about step-by-step guides, clearing out blocks, shifting energy, creating the actual roadmap to your desires. It's the how you bring it all together. So we talk about why our relationships don't work. We talk about what they look like when they don't work. We talk about being unhealed, but most of the time we just don't, ⁓ we don't take the time to set in place what's really going on with us. Everything is...

We have to switch our focus. Society has taught us that everything is on the outside. The truth is, everything is on the inside. What was that that Zelma said? Right, right, right. Saturday. Yeah, that was a good one. He said, you don't mess around.

Shirley Lawson (1:30:20)
Everything is on the inside.

if you

don't go within, you gonna go without.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:30:32)
No, that was one too. She said you she learned you don't mess around with the inside You mess around with an inside and the insides what could kill you? Yes. Yes, and I think That's what has been hidden. That's the hidden secret. Yeah, nobody wants you to know that you hold the power Nobody wants you to know that it's not out there. It's the work you got to do in here. It's not

Shirley Lawson (1:30:37)
yeah.

in here.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:30:58)
That's right. It's not how many degrees you have. It's not how many jobs you've held. It's not how much money you make. It's what's on the inside. Who are you? What's showing up? And that's why we see so many ⁓ things going on in the world with people who are in court and things. And what people tolerate is because they've given their power away.

Shirley Lawson (1:31:08)
Yeah.

in the world.

Absolutely. It reminds me of the chapter in the, you all know, Seed of the Soul on relationships. It said sometimes the very thing that you need to talk about in a relationship, people hide and don't talk about it. You know.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:31:39)
Exactly. And that's

why we got to bring these things out. So we're going to get on out of here. ⁓ Cheryl Leah Remersh. We're going to try to make it on out of here. ⁓

Shirley Lawson (1:31:45)
All right, wonderful.

Yeah,

because we could be here all night.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:31:52)
All

night. All night. So for us, so if you guys are looking for ⁓ someone to come, this is our plug. If you're looking for us, someone to come and talk about relationships, any relationship, talk about developing yourself. Keynote, if you want to bring us to a school or organization or you want to join one of our coaching programs or you're looking for, so we like to say as coaches or strategists or really we're architects, we're relationship architects, right?

And what we do is we give you the blueprint. We help you build it. And so people say, well, what are you in a difference between a therapist or a psychiatrist or whatever? And so we take what you have and a coach is supposed to take what you have and make it better, right? Give you the skills you need to succeed. And that's what we do as coaches, right? So we want you to know that these laws are not magic. They ain't no magic laws. You only find them for the people who believe in magic. Nope. They apply to everybody.

They're the principles that the universe adheres to. And when you apply them, when you understand, your life changes. You can stay stuck if you want to. That's your choice. That's your choice. That's that free will. All right, guys, so don't forget, Jason and I have dropped the thing for our upcoming workshops. Mine is next week for women only.

Shirley Lawson (1:32:55)
Exactly.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:33:12)
And Jason's is the week after for men only. So or you can reach out to us for one on one coaching. You can if you want to go deeper and uncover some of your hidden gems or some of your unhealed wounds or whatever you want to discover, go to our website. Legendary relationship dot com. You know, I want to say this. One of the participants in the workshop said, ⁓ can't be telling the secret. This is not a secret. This this was like a testimony. OK.

The way I'm going to say it is going to be a testimony. OK. Someone said that, wow, the work that I have to do now is like I have a part time job. She's like, I got to fit in everything I got to do for me along with everything else. Exactly. said, no. I said, and then like what Tina said, taking care of us and finding out who we are is a full time job. ⁓ A gentleman at the health club called himself being sarcastic with us and he was like, ⁓ where's the balls? that's the ball. She's the boss.

Shirley Lawson (1:33:49)
You

Jason & Tina Marie (1:34:09)
And I politely looked at him and said, I am the boss of no one but me. I got so much work going on with me, I cannot even attempt to try to be the boss of somebody else. You know, and that's the misconception about marriage. I'm too busy working on me to be trying to point out and pick out what's going on with him. I ain't trying to control nobody but me, my thoughts.

Shirley Lawson (1:34:17)
be the boss of somebody else.

And you don't even know, Brian,

you don't even know what was in his consciousness for saying something like that.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:34:34)
I already know he ain't the fuck.

Whatever it was, it's not in math. You're not talking about. I don't have a boss like, yep, I'm sure you don't. That's why you walk in. You and if you don't have a boss, that means you're not even aware of your own thoughts and feelings and actions because you're thinking that somebody else is trying to control. Ain't no control going on here. Exactly. Exactly. All right. So before we get out.

Shirley Lawson (1:34:42)
Hahaha

That's why you're without. If you don't go within, you're go without.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:35:01)
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Shirley Lawson (1:35:30)
you

Jason & Tina Marie (1:35:51)
It is essential. So oftentimes people will send us reviews. They'll talk to us that, you know, they'll give us accolades, but all of that is wonderful. But we need you to go do it and put it on Amazon. That would be great. make a difference. Yep. All right. So before we get out, Reverend Shirley, is there anything that you would like to leave them with, drop them with? You know, one of those golden nuggets. we got some other things. were, let's see, we got some things. Okay, hold on one second.

Some more comments. Dennis says, yes, I came have very broken on, what? And unhealed. Oh, I came here very broken and unhealed. There you go. Today I'm not completely healed, but Jason and Tina has been a light where there was darkness. Praise, oh, thank you Dennis. That's so sweet. Thank you. Thank you, Dennis. But you did the work, Dennis. You did. You bought the book, you did the work, you tuned in, and that's where it starts. Your soul was yearning for something else and you were drawn here.

Okay, ⁓ Tangee! Tangee, how are you? That's the same for relationships. You can't take your past experiences into your new experience. Yes. Nope. Yes, you cannot. Because you're a different person. And I think that's why ⁓ Veronica is doing the work she's doing. You know, if you're remarried, because there's a whole new dynamics. You're taking, if you've been married one year, that's one year of marriage that you're taking into a new relationship. It can't be, it can't be.

And it could be harder said than done, but all right, Dennis got one more thing. Sandra got this. says, Sandra said, put my little poor, my little string. That's right. That's right. It's you, Sandra. Then it says once again, my social media habits and foolery was my way of masking my insecurities. And I'm glad I'm glad you grew through that, Dennis. I remember those conversations. And you know what? That is a way.

that you were trying to release what was on the inside. Trying to mask it and trying to hide it, but it was really your soul calling. That's what it was, that's how you found us. All right, so Kelly says, do the work before getting in a relationship. And if you're already in one and you wanted to work, do the work. But absolutely, Kelly, do the work before. If you know you are, you've had some experience

Shirley Lawson (1:38:08)
word.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:38:13)
experiences and relationships, whether they're intimate or work on life. Definitely do exactly what Kelly said. Do the work. But here's the thing. We take time off from dating and being in relationships thinking that we've done it. Right. That's true. And then we go back into dating and getting into relationship and we end up in the same boat. Because we haven't done anything. We just took some time off. You ain't did nothing. No. Right. Right. You read a couple of books, maybe. You cracked it open. Maybe. Or sometimes you just say, I'm taking a break. You just take a break.

Shirley Lawson (1:38:32)
Right, right, didn't do no work. Yeah.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:38:43)
That's true. You go get your nails done and your feet done. You say, I'm taking a break. I'm taking care of me. And we think that's what what that's what that is the extent of what it means by self love. You know, it's the inner work is the self love really means uncovering the things that are ugly about me that I need to change. The negative thinking, the things that ⁓ I think I'm always right. Those kind of things. Yeah. That is always somebody else that needs to change. So that's what I mean. Kind of like the ugly things. It's just a kind of.

The stuff no one's gonna tell you It's just a way of saying it. Right, alright, let's see what Dennis said. We gonna hurt him, get him out of here. Thank you Jesus for a legendary relationship with Jason and Tina Scott. That's right, Tina's my Jonesite classmate and Jason is my brother. There you go. Who I truly respect for his wisdom. Alright. Dennis, we appreciate you, we appreciate what you've done. Let's see what Dot is saying. Awesome conversation this evening. Thank you Dot for tuning in as always. We ain't gone out yet yet guys.

All right, have a fantastic evening and weekend, everyone. Keep on going, come on, come on, let's get all these calls in. All right, great broadcasts as usual. Thank you, Regina. You know why it's great, Regina. experience working on myself. Yes, yes, yes. And that's why it's great, Regina, because you're here. That's right, Regina be doing the work. Regina say I'm working on myself.

And don't take that nonsense, Regina. When people come back into your life with that nonsense, you be like, oh, I didn't do it to work. Sorry, baby. Yeah, you got to go. That's right. All right. Go ahead, Rum Shruthy. You want to say something?

Shirley Lawson (1:40:09)
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⁓ just reiterate all that we have been discussing tonight. Let it marinate, let it come to you and reveal itself and all the deeper levels that we needed to do so. Let us focus on raising our vibration because everything is vibrational. Let us, yeah.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:40:37)
That's right. they're low and they're high, guys. A vibration,

it ain't just one. It's a whole range of them. It's a frequency. Yes. All right.

Shirley Lawson (1:40:43)
Yes,

let us remember the law of cause and effect is that we live in two worlds, the world within which is cause and the world without which is effect. And then let us, as we do all of that, then we will attract that which we desire in life. And so it is.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:40:57)
That's right.

And we don't even have to worry about attracting

something that's not. All right. I mean, because that's gonna be it. Yeah. Well, sometimes we will attract the opposite because they want to know what you're doing, right? They want to get like you. But they won't stick around. That's right. All right. Let's see Kelly's real quick. Kelly said, that is the truth, Tina. That's right. About them relationships. When she said, don't come into, don't do your work. All right. didn't say it. Happy Friday. All right. All right.

Shirley Lawson (1:41:13)
Right. They came to be taught.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:41:34)
One more. Yeah, I got you baby. got you. I'm trying to get down there. All right. Dennis says, thank you, Pastor Shirley. All right. We only bring the best. We only bring the We're just bringing these relationship guys to bring some awareness so we can raise our vibration. All right. So what are we saying, Jase? All right, guys, don't forget, go leave a review. And always like, share, and tag somebody for this so that they can get some awareness.

All right, well, Shirley, why don't you tell people where they can reach you if they want to see any of your stuff. You come on on Saturdays, you do meditation on live on Saturdays. Tell them a little bit about you.

Shirley Lawson (1:42:14)
⁓ okay. Well, ⁓ yes, the meditative life ministries. have weekly telephone, ⁓ conference calls. ⁓ all I need is for people to go to meditative life ministries to at gmail.com and, just tell us, we want to be on your, ⁓ email list. And then we will email you of all of the happenings at, ⁓ meditative life ministries.

So we do again, the meditation conference call. We do a monthly meditative talks on through the zoom session and we do a ⁓ in-person session at the Irwin Community Center located in ⁓ Homewood, downtown Homewood, 181 20 Highland Avenue in Homewood, Illinois. Coming up ⁓ June 21st, we are celebrating eight

years in helping people live a better life, helping people through meditative practices. Our guest speaker for our eighth anniversary will be none other than the Bishop, Dr. Jack Beaumar. And so we're excited to have him. And that again is June 21st, 12 noon.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:43:29)
Wonderful. High energy.

Shirley Lawson (1:43:37)
Now he's got the scoot out of there. So I am asking everybody to be on time. So you don't want to miss anything. But, but again, email us at meditative life ministries to at gmail.com. Say, please add me to your email list.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:43:45)
So this is going to be where?

The number two.

All right, guys, that's the number two. And so you said ⁓ your eighth, you're celebrating your eighth anniversary. Where is that going to be at?

Shirley Lawson (1:44:03)
Yes.

Again, that's going to be at the Irwin Community Center, ⁓ 18120 Highland Avenue and Homewood. No cost.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:44:12)
And now is there a cause for that?

Okay, so come on out and learn some stuff. That's right. Come on out and learn some stuff. Wonderful, wonderful. I know you, so Jason and I just attended, Reverend Shirley had a spiritual tune up. last Saturday. Wonderful, wonderful. So we did meditation, we did tapping. And so if you don't know it, that's where you tapping into, understanding what,

Shirley Lawson (1:44:18)
Yes, come on out and help us celebrate eight years. Eight years.

workshop.

Tapping

that negative energy out. Yoga, yoga.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:44:42)
That's right. had ⁓ yoga

and we had the lunch was ⁓ vegan, right? From science of spirituality. So it was a great experience. It's always a good experience. All right. And if you can't tell, sit back, Rem Shirley. Sit back. So you see she's rocking a manifested Joy Field Relationship T-shirt. That's right. That's right. So we thank her. We appreciate you.

Shirley Lawson (1:44:48)
Yeah.

Hehehehehe

Jason & Tina Marie (1:45:08)
So again, guys, don't forget if you are a male or a female, the female is Tina, manifest you. I will be doing it. Jason's workshop will be coming out. We haven't put it out yet because we don't want you to get confused. So Jason's workshop will be start coming out on Monday. So mine starts on Monday. That's when his flyers and things are coming out. It's 6 30, 6 30 to 7 30 dot, dot, dot time. And I'm saying it's 6 30 central time.

Wait, she said what time is it to Reverend Shirley is it to us? Oh Right. So for Reverend Shirley, it'll be the 21st at 12 12 noon 12 noon on 24th Right. So if you're looking to do the eighth annual anniversary everyone come out and support meditative life ministries at 181 20 Highland Avenue and Homewood, Illinois downtown Homewood is at 12 o'clock noon be their own time and

Shirley Lawson (1:45:48)
No.

one time and you know what? Tina and Jason, because I don't have any of their emails, you guys get the emails and if you know that emails just forward them that brochure that gives them ⁓ all of the ⁓ events that's going on with MLM. OK.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:46:07)
Bishop Dr. Jack Beaumar will be there.

I sure will.

Wonderful. Wonderful. We can

do that. So we are in connection with some great people. All right. Thank you, Regina. Thank you, Dot. Thank you, Dennis. Thank you, Kelly. Thank you, Nancy. Thank you, Versi. Thank you, Jan. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank Thank you're trying to go off memory. I'm just going to say thank you to everyone because you're going miss somebody. All right, guys. Don't forget, like, subscribe, and share. And, Jacey, you want to close this out? Yeah, I think I do. OK. What am I closing out? What am I saying? Well, we always say how to close it out. yeah, yeah.

Shirley Lawson (1:46:42)
Thank you everyone, everybody.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:46:55)
Reverend Shelley, don't go anywhere. All right. All right, guys. So that is another episode with you and us. the books. That's right. So we will see you next Friday. can't remember who our guest is, but just be in the house. Just be in house and somebody. It just may be us, but you just never know. Just never know. You got to show up. Get into that workshop, because this will be the last Definitely. Listen, get into the workshop. If you know somebody, especially a lady, go ahead and get them in there.

It's a great gift to give someone, but I'm gonna tell you, it's a lot of work and it's a lot of deep work for you as the individual. not lot of work. Don't say it's a lot of work. You'll scare people. ain't a lot of work. They need to be scared because if you're not doing anything... is lot of awareness. That's what it is. Awareness. It's consciousness building. It is definitely consciousness building. raising our frequency. I'll give you that. I mean, work is required, but not Work is required.

Shirley Lawson (1:47:40)
You

Jason & Tina Marie (1:47:49)
It's the homework. don't want do anything Let's get on out of here. Let's get of All right. right. We've had a wonderful time. Thank you so much, Reverend Shirley, for showing up. Thank you so much for being here and giving us your expertise on these three laws here. We really appreciate it. Might have to come on again to talk about them some more. I want to get into meditation, but we're definitely going to have to have you back on for meditation, for sure. Yes. Yes. Yes. We're going to do some meditation. All right. So don't hang up.

Shirley Lawson (1:47:56)
Thank you.

yes, yes, most definitely, most definitely. Wonderful.

⁓ okay.

Jason & Tina Marie (1:48:14)
You

went, you messed up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm trying to get to where I did it, but don't go anywhere. You were right at it, baby. Yep, yep, okay. All right, All right. You gonna take us out like I I am, all right. So as always, we're in it to win it. Till next week, guys.

Shirley Lawson (1:48:32)
you

Beautiful!