Hey, it's Stephanie back with a bonus episode. In episode six, we heard some of Laura's taped deposition. It was recorded in March of twenty twenty four and it hasn't been made public before now, so we wanted to share some more of the jaw dropping moments from the deposition that didn't make it into the last episode.
Here begins video number one in the video deposition of Laya Michelle Owens.
I want to start at the very beginning because I think it's telling. Remember two years before this recording, Laura emailed a judge accusing Clayton's lawyer, Greg Woodnick of conspiring to have her raped. In the end, nothing came of that allegation, no police report, no investigation, nothing. When Wudnick sat down to tape Laura's deposition in Clayton's case, he was strikingly patient, thorough, and con He spends five minutes making sure she understands the deposition process and her rights.
Laura, we're here for your deposition, and before I start in with questions, I want to make sure you understand the rules of depositions here in Arizona. I'm going to do my best to speak slowly so that our sweet court reporter can transcribe all the words I'm saying. If I go too fast, she'll probably correct me and slow me down. She'll do the same for you. I'll ask you a question, and I expect you to answer the question.
I will do my best not to talk over you, and I would ask that you do the same to not talk over me. This is a deposition, which means it's my opportunity as counsel for mister Eckert to ask you questions, and you're under oath. It's like a judicial proceeding. You're expected to testify truthfully. I am not smart enough to ask tricky questions. I'm going to ask real, basic
questions and ask for basic answers. We're going to be covering some sensitive material today, and none of the words that I'm going to be using bother me, but they may bother you. I will do my best to get through those questions quickly and efficiently. I will also take breaks along the way for bathroom and whatnot. There's a bathroom here, there's one upstairs. There are bagels and water if you need it, doesn't click you grabbed a water bottible.
We can bring you on. I want you to be comfortable, let us know what you need. If you need a break, just let me know and we'll do a quick five minute break. We're scheduled for four hours. My hope is that we get done much quicker, but a lot of that will depend on our process today and how quickly this goes. I want to share with you that I'm going to be asking you questions that may involve the need for you to exercise your Fifth Amendment right. I put this on the record because you always have a
right to not answer my question. I'm assuming your attorney told you about this. You could always say to a question that I'm asking you, I'm not answering that thiss on my Fifth Amendment right, however you want to word it. If that happens a lot during the deposition, you and I can come to a little routine where you go plead the fifth. I'll just move on to the next question. I assure you, and Corey will make sure I do this. I will not badger you about the question you plead
the fifth too. I will move on to the next question. If you choose to plead the fifth, I just literally will finish my question. So I make a clear record and then I'll move on to the next issue. It is not a situation where I'm going to nag you about the question you did not answer. But you always have the right to plead the fifth and I will respect that, as I think the court will as well. Let's get into it, Laurik, you give me the full spelling of your name.
Yes, I just had one question about the pleading the fifth because we had not discussed that before. I should know what the fifth means exactly.
Yes, And actually I'm thanking you because you did exactly what you're supposed to do. You asked a question, if you did because you didn't understand my comment, So I thank you for that. You have a right to not answer questions on the grounds that it may incriminate you in any legal proceeding, and Corey will correct me if I'm wrong. You don't have to answer questions. This is what people do when they're worried about criminal consequences for
the answers to their questions. You don't have to. This is just a civil proceeding. But even if it were a criminal proceeding, the way the law works is you don't have to answer any question that's incriminating to you, so you can plead the fifth. There may be consequences a family court to deal with. Corey can explain that
to you offline. But if I were to ask a question and you felt that the answer to that question could cause you criminal consequence, all you have to do, and Corey can confirm this is say greg or mister wood Nick, please call me Greg. I'm going to go ahead and plead the fifth. I will stop and I will move on to the next question. Does that answer your question? Okay?
What Nick starts by asking some basic questions. They go through her revenue streams, her health history, and her medication list.
I'm going to start off with some exhibits right now. Okay, Actually, before I do that, I got a couple more questions for you under oath. Is it your testimony that you have never been prescribed the drug novarel?
I don't know. Is there another name for it?
I'll give you some of the generic names. If you don't recognize the name, just say I don't recognize it. Have you been prescribed the drug novarel? Not that I recall ovid rel o v I d R E L.
That doesn't sound familiar.
Pregno p r e g n y L.
I don't know what that is.
Profascy p r o f A s. I.
No, that's doesn't sound familiar.
Clomaphene.
That doesn't sound familiar.
Clomid doesn't sound familiar, saraphene no.
Wood Nick asks her about every little detail, and it becomes clear Laura has been a patient at a variety of major telehealth companies.
I think it's called Tia, but I don't remember who. What her name is? T I A t I A, oh, yes, Tia. And it's it's kind of like one medical. I used a service called capsule.
Is that a mail service for pharmacy? Kind of?
It's like a delivery one.
Who would prescribe that?
That's prescribed by an online service?
What's the name of the online service?
Health piper. It's like a self pay service. It's uh, they don't accept insurance.
Let me ask the question better. If you had stripped throat or yeah, who would you go see?
I would probably see one medical Okay, who's your obgyn? I would say the doctor. I saw a mom doc?
Okay, So I want to make real it'd be a real clear on this. We're here because of obviously, as you know, allegations that there's a some fraud in a pregnancy claim. The only obg y N that you're stating today under oath, and again you complete the fifth is the doc at mom Doc. The only OBGYN that I have seen in the past two years that I have seen.
Yes, I had appointments with others that were canceled, and I was accepted into a high risk practice, but I canceled the appointments.
And first I can be real clear on this. You understand what an obgyn is, correct?
What is that an obstetrician orlogist.
Or board both in the past twenty four months? What is the name of any obstetrician or gynecologist who you have had a medical proceeding or actual appointment with.
The ones that I stated.
No, So those are appointments he didn't go to. I want to talk about you actually went in and had a discussion with a doctor in a waiting room or in a patient room mom Doc. So, Mom Doc. So you've been inside the office at mom Doc. Yes, you've
been inside the exam room at mom Doc. Yes, you've been alone with the doctor in mom Doc and maybe a nurse who would go in during acological check in whatever cour That is the only obstetrician or gynecologist for which you have been inside their practice office in the past twenty four months.
I guess as well. I mean it was.
A banner at the Urgent Care. Correct.
That was the Urgent Care appointment where she took an in office pregnancy test that measured her hCG levels. As you know, that test came back positive. This is something we'll get into in a later episode, then, wouldn't it? Continued the deposition, moving on to Laura's history of lawsuits.
I want to talk about litigation that you've been involved in historically. You had, and I'm just going through to make sure I've got them all. You were involved in a civil case, a personal injury case in California.
Uh. Correct.
You had an order of protection involving mister Gillespie correct. Correct, Protective order proceeding involving Clayton Eckerd correct, Correct, injunction against harassment related to Clayton Eckerd. Correct. There's the current paternity action which is pending before Judge Julie Matta correct.
Correct.
Any other litigation that I need to know about.
Not that I can think of.
Now well, you sued Dave Neil, the podcaster.
I tried to get an injunction against for osmin. I didn't sue him.
You also had a civil name change action that you filed in the middle of this case. Correct.
In November twenty twenty three, Laura filed a petition to change her name.
Have you ever gone by any other aliases?
No?
There was a legal proceeding in which you asked to change your name to a different name. Do you recall what that name.
Was, Emily Wilson.
Have you ever gone by the name Emily Wilson other than for purposes of filing the petition for name change?
No?
Have you ever signed any document under the name Emily Wilson.
No.
Laura wrote that she was being stalked and harassed online. She also said she has an order of protection against three men who were trying to locate her. But less than a month later, Laura withdrew this petition, stating that quote. A YouTube content creator named Dave Neil discovered my name change petition shortly after its filing and chose to share
this information with his audience. This dissemination of my intended name change, as well as the reasons why I requested it have rendered the new name ineffective and therefore unusable due to the public exposure. She also asked for a refund of any fees associated with the name change process. The court denied that request in May of twenty twenty four.
Let go ahead and take a five minute fathom break right now, off the record at eight fifty seven am.
After the break, when Nick turns to some exhibits.
Okay, I'm going to show you what's been marked as exhibit number one, and actually it should be rand from you. You acknowledge that those are the same ultrasound image. Yes, and they both have your name on it. Yes. And they both have your identifying information on them. Yes, and you're denying their yours. Yes. Okay. Let's go on to exhibit number three. Exhibit number three is an Honor Healthcare Scottsdale sonogram dated August eighth, twenty twenty one.
That's what it says, is.
That your sonogram Exhibit three. No, so you're denying that. Exhibits one, two, and three are your medical records, correct? Okay. Exhibit number four, you acknowledge that you sent that message to Clayton Eckered on May seventeenth, twenty twenty three. Yes, okay, so that is actually you. Yes, okay, but the exhibits one, two and three were not you. Correct, Okay, I'm going to show you exhibit number five.
It continued on like this for some time, with Laura picking and choose what were real messages she'd sent. Then, when Nick turned up the heat and asked about the doctor's appointments, Laura claimed she'd been to I'm.
Going to be real clear. You testified under oath before Judge Gail Katsis on November two, twenty twenty three. Correct, correct, And everything you said to Judge Gail Katsis was truthful that I can recall. Okay, you told Judge Gail Ketsis that you had seen doctor McCool. I'm going to play it for you in a second. I'm just reminding you before I play it. You testified under oath with Judge Galkatsis that you were being treated by doctor McCool. Correct.
Well, technically I was accepted into his practice. I was still so did his timeline.
You didn't lie, you just misled.
I I don't think the thoughts of well, I don't think that's a fair way to say it. I mean he accepts people based on whether or not he could be there for their delivery date, and I was still technically in a system with him.
How do you know that you never met him?
Because I had to speak extensive with his office in order to get accepted.
What color hair does doctor mcooll have?
He doesn't have hair as far as I know.
Have you ever met him?
No?
Has he ever touched you shaking your hand?
No?
Sorry, but you told Judge Gail keatsis that you were being treated by doctor McCool correct or incorrect? Correct?
I'm still in his patient portal. It says that I'm one of his patients. So it does still say that in the patient.
Portal, wouldn't it wanted answers about the ultrasounds she'd sent Clayton.
Your position is that the ultrasound from July correct says that you're pregnant with twins.
Correct, Okay, and then it's confirmed by another provider.
Hang on, we're getting there, okay, and show me in the labs where the fetuses were gendered.
Well, I had to ask a provider online what they thought, and for whatever reason, they said they thought it looked like a boy and a girl. I don't understand. Again, it was the provider who who.
Is the provider who told you that exhibit number nine was a male and female fetus.
It was whatever service I got the pills from. I had provided them with the ultra sound image. I'm sure I have records.
I need that. So how can you get that to me?
I can. I will be able to find it. I can. I can find it. I will get it to you.
I can ask a question, correct, did you to get the abortion pills? Yes, you had to provide information to the online abortion portal.
It wasn't really a portal. It was like a texting service.
Okay, what did you send them?
I sent them like the test from Banner, and I sent them this and because I was wanting to know if I needed to take more if it was going to be twins.
Okay for second, So let's talk about that, the image that you sent to that service. Okay, did you send it to him texts?
As far as I recall, it could have been. It could have been uploading to something I'd go on. I looked at it.
So we're going to get you have no problem sharing the name of that service.
I don't.
And the image that you sent to them. Was it the one that you altered or was it the original?
Are you talking about the part that was altered at the top.
You know what I'm talking about. You changed a medical record, and you're not a physician. Correct.
I changed the top, but it was my image.
Did you send this service the altered version of exhibit nine or the original version of Exhibit nine?
I believe I just sent them. I don't know I sent them the ultrasound. I'm honestly not sure.
Near the end of the deposition, Woodnick asks her about a doctor's appointment she said she'd been to in October, and Laura reveals this was another video appointment, not an in person exam.
Wait, hang on for a second. October seventeen, twenty twenty three was a video appointment? Yes, okay, So when you say here, so this appointment says that she'sing that you're being treated for a traumatic brain injury epilepsy depression ADHD, and it says they discuss your meds during pregnancy. You're getting care with an epileptic clinic today. And it says you're currently twenty two weeks pregnant with a boy and girl. Correct, So, that was from yourself reporting through the video portal.
Correct, that was Yes.
So we can agree that Stephanie Chen did not examine you physically.
Well, she saw me physically on a video. I think I was very noticeably pregnant. I mean, so.
We can agree that she didn't examine you physically, and also she's a nurse. But she didn't examine you physically well, I.
Mean she didn't know, but she saw what my stomach looked like.
Right, And you understand that there's been allegations that you were wearing a prosthetic stomach.
I'm aware of the allocation.
Yeah, okay, we're going to talk about that in a little bit.
Yes, they never do return to the allegations that Laura was wearing a prosthetic stomach. But at the end of the deposition, wouldn't it asks her this question?
Are you familiar with the word pseudocysis? What is it?
I've seen it on on Reddit about thinking you're pregnant?
Have you researched it at all, like WebMD that sort of thing?
Absolutely not. I just saw it on there because people have accused me of that when I have not a cool proof of each. So I'm not concerned.
And that's all I got. I don't know anything today.
Anything else.
For the record.
Before we close, this will mark the in of video number one. This deposition has concluded. We are off the record at eleven thirty four am.
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