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Do you have a leadership role model?
Shonda Rhimes, Tina Fey-- there are these women who are like, what do you mean women can't be in charge? Yes, they can. And we are. They've broken boundaries. And Shonda Rhimes in particular, one of her books was The Year of Saying Yes, where, as an introvert, she would shy away from media things and invitations. And then she had one year where she was like, I'm just going to say yes to all invitations. And as an introvert, I'm like, that's so brave. I should try that sometime.
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You are listening to WREK Atlanta. And this is Lost in the Stacks, the research library rock and roll radio show. I'm Charlie in the studio with Marlee, Fred, and Cody. It's a no last names kind of day today, semi-anonymous, semi-pseudo-anonymous. No. Each week on Lost in the Stacks, we pick a theme and then use it to create a mix of music and library talk. Whichever you are here for, we hope you dig it.
Our show today is called "The Uproar Class."
What?
You'll learn. You'll learn in a minute. That's all about. CHARLIE BENNETT: I'll prepare myself. Yeah. But I've also been calling this episode a quilt.
A quilt? OK. I'm going to guess, maybe you're talking like a metadata cross-stitch thing, like we talked about with Ann Kardos in that "Unseen Labor" episode?
Oh, that was a good episode.
Yeah, not exactly, no.
Oh, so more like snuggly and warm and comforting. MARLEE GIVENS: Well, it might be. But what I really mean is that my editing job was not unlike stitching a quilt. Oh, OK. I like where this is going.
Since our guests all hold leadership positions in the libraries where they work, they are busy people. And it was hard to gather all three of them in the same time and space. So we recorded separate interviews. And then I cut out pieces from each interview and stitched them into the three segments that we'll hear on the show.
OK. I think from now on, we're calling these kind of shows quilts.
Yay.
That's a perfect name for it. And also, what does it say about us that we can get all three of us in the same place at the same time?
Yeah, I'm with you, Charlie. I'm with you, Marlee, quilt. Our songs today are about pushing things in a positive direction, making things happen, and the people who lead the way. We're going to stitch in those. CHARLIE BENNETT: Optimism, right. We're going to stitch all of them into an optimistic quilt.
I love it.
The librarians we'll meet today are going to break boundaries and bring new ideas to get librarianship where it needs to go. So let's start with a song about not accepting limitations. This is "You Can Get It if You Want" by Jimmy Cliff, right here on Lost in the Stacks. CHARLIE BENNETT: This is a good song.
[JIMMY CLIFF, "YOU CAN GET IT IF YOU WANT"]
(SINGING) You can get it if you really want. Don't give up now. You can get it.
That was "You Can Get It if You Want."
I think we should just play that song for the next 50 minutes, just over and over again, maybe with the Desmond Decker version too. OK, Fred?
Let's do our show first. And then if the next DJ doesn't come in. MARLEE GIVENS: Yeah, let's do that. Yeah.
I'm sorry. OK. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I should not have interrupted.
So where are we?
Yeah, I was going to--
Have we introduced this segment yet?
I was-- but yes. No, that was "You Can Get It if You Want" by Jimmy Cliff. Although we apparently previously, on another show, played the Desmond Decker version.
That's right.
And we like both.
Yeah.
So this is Lost in the Stacks. Today's show is called "The Uproar Class."
And "The Uproar Class" is a name chosen by the 2022 to 2023 cohort of the Association of Research Libraries Leadership and Career Development Program, or ARL LCDP.
Say that 10 times fast.
So Fred and I interviewed two folks from that cohort. Let's meet our first guest now.
Yeah, my name is Afra Bolefski. Actually, I just changed roles August 1. So I'm now the Inclusive User Experience Strategist at the University of Toronto Libraries in Toronto, Canada. Yeah, it's a new role that I just started.
And where were you before?
So before, I was at the University of Manitoba library system, which is in Winnipeg, Manitoba, so in the prairie provinces in central Canada.
So you've changed time zones.
I've changed. Yeah, I'm now Eastern instead of Central. I don't know which one I prefer.
And now, in the big city-- although I don't know how Manitoba-- the metropolitan areas in Manitoba, how they compare to Toronto.
Yeah, no, it's very small in comparison, not even a million people. So yeah, much, much smaller in scale, for sure. Yeah.
So you are part of the recent cohort of the-- let me get the name right-- Leadership and Career Development Program for ARL
That's right. Yes.
Did you get involved with that because of your previous experience with managers and seeing who did it right and who did it wrong? And maybe you thought that would improve? Or I guess I should put it to you, why did you get involved with that program?
Yeah. That's a great question, Fred. So at the time, I guess, going back, I was aware of this program. Actually, even years before I applied, it was something I had my eye out-- or my eye on, rather. And then also just meeting former alums where I just happened to maybe be in the same professional association with, so I heard about their experiences. So that's where I would say the interest stems is my own interest. At the time, not necessarily. I wasn't a leadership role.
But definitely, when this opportunity came up, so just the 2022-2023 cohort, that's where the opportunity arose, where I was able to apply. So at that time, I was in a leadership role. But even previously, as I mentioned, I had my eye on that. I wasn't necessarily in a leadership role. But I had aspirations to be a leader and learn more about what it is to be a library leader.
And so I saw that the ARL LCDP program-- so the Leadership Career Development Program-- and thought that that would be a really great entry point in terms of just learning more about leadership and even maybe just seeing my own traits that maybe I wasn't aware of and strengthening those and becoming the leader that I hope to be. If anything, I had my eye-- or at least one aspect of leadership I was interested was more of that idea of servant leadership.
That was a leadership style that I was interested in, having taken a course years earlier. So I thought that maybe I might learn more about that kind of style and how others had utilized that in their own leadership journey. A lot of times, with the monthly sessions that we have, it's mainly library leaders. So we're learning a lot about themselves and what their leadership journey look like, challenges that they may have dealt with based on preset themes.
So if it's change management or how do you deal with bargaining, that type of thing, we learned a lot from them through those processes.
Did it meet your expectations?
It did, yes, Marlee. Going into it, I guess what was most interesting to me was just meeting other like-minded individuals, similar situations. Again, with this program, it tends to be folks that are Indigenous, Black, people of color. For myself, being in-- at that time, I was in Winnipeg, Manitoba, I was like one of very few folks, if at all, in my role. So it was really great opportunity to meet others and build that network. And so that's what happened with that.
That was definitely one of the big takeaways that I got from this program was just having that support network.
Did you come to any sort of new understanding about where you want to go as a leader? I guess I'm asking, do you want to become a library dean? Or did it change your career trajectory in some other way?
Well, one of-- yeah, my mentor was-- or is-- a library dean. So it was very insightful. I was fortunate enough to go to the institution for a two-day off-site visit-- I think it was two to three days-- and meet with them and just meet the senior library leadership team and just visit the various libraries and learn a lot. Yeah, it's a very outward-facing, probably more than I expected to be very outward-facing role.
I thought it was more-- maybe just your scope is more just the libraries and such. But it's a lot more external. It's a lot more with even donor relations. At least, again, this was the experience that I had with my mentor and just meeting with the vice president or vice provost. So a lot-- yeah, external-facing, a lot of travel as well.
Because you're, especially depending on the type of institution-- with this one, it was a research level-- so member of ARL, member of the Canadian Association of Research Libraries, and a number of other networks. So really, you're on the road a lot. So I think, if anything, yeah, it was very eye-opening. I don't know if it dissuaded me as much as just gave me pause to really consider if that's something I would want to do or at what point would that be something I would want to do.
Did you picture yourself as a future leader when you first started in libraries?
I did not. And I think for me, my journey was a little bit, I guess, different. I started in a different type of, I guess, library setting. So I was in special libraries, so more corporate libraries. And then I transitioned to academic libraries. And so I started off just very entry level and had setbacks and had to start over again type of thing.
So that's not something I really thought of until really I started more of a permanent role at an institution where I had just a colleague who saw potential in me and said, I can see you coming back and being an AUL or the UL. And I never saw that in myself. So just having someone else's perspective, I felt, really helped me to see strengths in myself that I didn't see. Yeah. So that was, I think, if anything, just the start of my journey.
We'll be back with more from "The Uproar Class" after a music set.
File this set under BF637.L4S8256.
[THE NKS, "SAY YES"]
OK. Yeah. Yeah OK. Here we go now.
[MONKEY MARK, "PUSH THE BUTTON"]
That was "Say Yes" by the NKs and before that, "Push the Button" by Money Mark, songs about being determined to make things happen.
[MUSIC PLAYING]
This is Lost in the Stacks. And we are speaking with members of the 2022-2023 cohort of the Association of Research Libraries, Leadership and Career Development Program-- ARL LCDP. But also, we're calling them the Uproar Class.
That's what they call themselves too. In the last segment, we met Uproar Class alumna Afra Bolefski. And now, we're going to meet another member of that cohort, Mai Lu.
My name is Mai Lu. And I'm the head of public services and outreach at the UTM library. That's the University of Toronto Mississauga.
What was it that brought you to ARL's Leadership and Career Development Program, the LCDP, as it's abbreviated.
I joined the University of Toronto about five years ago. And when I was brand new, I was trying to learn as much as I could about the organization. So I would read meeting minutes from various meetings that were happening across the university. And one of them included a past participant in the program who was reporting on his experience. And I reached out to him just to see, can I buy you a coffee and just ask you about the program? And he was very gracious with his time.
And so when the call came out a little while later, after a couple of iterations after I had a chance to get my footing in the organization, I applied for it and was very happy to have been accepted in the program. It's one of the rare programs where it focuses on librarians who are mid-career, who have leadership aspirations or are already in leadership positions, that come from marginalized backgrounds. So I liked that the focus was this is a leadership program first.
And the fact that we're from racialized backgrounds, that some of our members of our cohort are Indigenous, LGBTQ-identifying-- there's different-- we're all coming from different experiences and bringing to it our leadership style. And being in that community was absolutely wonderful. And I go back to-- I'm so glad I reached out to this one person because I happened to see their name in a meeting minutes to just learn about it and to ask what it would be like.
So often, it's who you know or whose name you recognize.
Mm-hmm. And sometimes, when you're new at an organization, you don't have those connections yet. So I'm very grateful that they agreed to just meet and chat. And I found that that's been common with a lot of alumni from the program that I've met afterwards is that a lot of people are quite generous with their time. And they want to meet people who are in the program, who have just finished the program, who are thinking about applying for the program. And that has also been wonderful.
Because it helps us build our network, helps us find other people in the profession who may not see themselves in their organization or not see very many people from racialized backgrounds in their organization. Especially as you get higher in leadership roles, you start to see less and less of that.
So the program, if I understand it right, there's meetings with the cohort. There's different kinds of workshops and also working with a mentor.
Yeah. Within the program, in addition to the components that you mentioned, Fred, there is also some personality tests and individual coaching to help us build self-awareness about our own leadership styles, our own leadership ambitions and goals, and so forth. And so working with the mentor sponsor was also one of those things that helped contribute to better shaping what we might want to do down the road. And I think for me, I love libraries. And I want to run a library.
I'm not sure if that fits more into the associate dean portfolio as opposed to the library dean. But certainly, it reinforced the desire to seek out senior leadership and to not be intimidated by the lack of representation that we tend to see more often.
I'll say, there is a notable lack of representation in academic library deans in total. So I'm rooting for y'all.
Thank you.
Did you picture yourself as a future leader when you first started in libraries?
I had wanted to be a writer when I was growing up. And in my high school co-op, I originally was scheduled to work in a local newspaper in their journalism department. And pretty quickly, I was like, no, I cannot go out there and put a microphone in people's faces to interview them. And my co-op teacher asked me, what else do you like? And I said, I love libraries. And so she put me in the news research department. And I just loved it.
And so I went into my undergraduate studies knowing that I was going to go into libraries. So I knew I wanted to work in a library. I didn't necessarily see myself as a leader within the library. And like Afra, I started off in a different library field before coming to academic libraries. I worked in public libraries for many years. And in the library system that I worked in, all librarians were supervisors.
So my first job out of library school, I was already the supervisor of the page supervisor, the circulation supervisor, the volunteer supervisor. And I remember thinking, I'm in my 20s. I don't know how to be a supervisor of these folks who had been supervisors for many years. And they were kind. And they helped me develop my leadership skills. And from then, it was just a matter of by luck or fortune, I've been around people who have been like, hey, have you ever thought about this role?
There was a senior librarian posting. Have you thought about it? And then there was-- our manager's retiring. Have you thought about applying to be a library manager? So there was a lot of support and encouragement along the way in the library systems that I've worked in.
So when you got to meet with your fellow cohorts, did you have with your fellow cohort members those moments of connection, like you had similar stories or similar things that you'd gone through?
Yes And no. Most of my career, I would be probably the only racialized librarian or one of maybe one or two or three. So there was something wonderful about being in a community with 24 other folks from historically marginalized communities who were all in leadership positions or aspiring to leadership positions. So there is something very energizing about that. And so we did find connection in that we were not alone.
But also getting to know our fellow members of our cohort, learning about their stories, and reinforcing that while we have blanket terms, like racialized librarians and BIPOC and things like that-- but it doesn't represent how diverse our own experiences are.
So we're all coming in from different lived experiences, different degrees of discrimination in our daily lives when we step outside of the library, even in interactions with customers, when they see us, before they hear us or they interact with us. So having that experience both was unifying and also reminded me of how diverse this group was. And our commonality was that we're not alone in this experience.
Thank you so much, both of you, for joining us.
Thank you for having us.
Well, it was a pleasure. Yeah, this was great. I really do wish, too-- I feel like there was so much more we could talk about. But yeah, we'll leave that for maybe in the future or something. But this was great. Thank you, Marlee. Thanks, Fred. And Mai, it was great to see you again.
Good to see you. Yeah. And I was listening to some of the other Lost in the Stacks recordings. And so I'm like, oh, my gosh, these are the voices I was hearing. So it's lovely to see you live in action.
You're listening to Lost in the Stacks. And we'll be back with more from our uproarious colleagues on the left side of the hour.
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Hi, this is Dr. Frasier Crane. I'm listening. Oh, no, wait.
[JAPANESE BREAKFAST, "BE SWEET"]
Hi, this is Alex McGee. I am the university archivist. And you are listening to Lost in the Stacks, the research library rock and roll radio show on WREK Atlanta. JAPANESE BREAKFAST: Tell the men I'm coming. Tell them, count the days.
Nice to hear from Alex. Our show today is called "The Uproar Class," which is the name of the 2022-2023 cohort of the Association of Research Libraries Leadership and Career Development Program-- ARL LCDP.
We asked cohort alumni Mai Lu and Afra Bolefski to explain why and how the Uproar Class name came to be.
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I know we selected the name towards the end of our program. We knew that we could take our time figuring out our name. And we had seen the names of some of the previous cohorts. And we tried on a couple of different ones. And they didn't feel quite right until Uproar. I feel like there was a second part to the name. And then it kind of got the Uproar Class was a cleaner version of it.
You're right about that. We won't mention that because we cannot swear on live air. It represented just where we were coming from. I think there was just a lot of things happening in the world. And a lot of the times, like in some parts of the session, there would be that time just to discuss that. And I don't know, our approach-- I think we were very vocal with what we wanted out of our-- because we had two site visits.
So after the first one-- even during the site visit, we gave very strong feedback. So I think we just-- Uproar-- we're a very vocal, loud cohort as well.
I think, at some point we were talking about the Roaring '20s, the previous Roaring '20s. And we liked that it had a tie-back, but that had a new meaning for us, that we wanted to use our voices and speak out.
File this set under E169.1.946.
[THE IMPRESSIONS, "KEEP ON PUSHING"]
THE IMPRESSIONS: Keep on pushing. Keep on pushing.
"Uproar" by Caxton. And before that, "Keep on Pushing" by The Impressions. Those are songs about uproars that push things in a positive direction.
Welcome back to Lost in the Stacks. Earlier in the hour, I described this interview as a quilt. We've taken pieces of two interviews. One of these was my and Fred's interview with Afra Bolefski and Mai Lu, which we heard in segments 1 and 2, and stitched together three interview segments to create the show.
And now, we will hear from Charlie and Marlee's interview with our third guest.
Well, first of all, thank you so much for having me. It's been something that I've been looking forward to. My name is Xiying Mi. I work at the University of Wisconsin at Madison. My position here is the head of resource description. And I've been in this position for two years now.
And is this where you were when you participated in the ARL LCDP?
Sort of. Well, yes. Actually, it's my previous institution, University of South Florida-- they had helped me submitted the application and put my name in there. And I think they actually paid the tuition for this program. And when I was leaving the position, so I made an offer, I'm like, I could talk to my new institution to see if they were willing to sponsor me. But they were extremely generous. And they wanted to invest into the profession as a whole. So they still paid the tuition for it.
And then University of Wisconsin Madison gave me the time and supported me to all those meetings and conferences. So it's both institutions contributed to my learning experience there. CHARLIE BENNETT: That's really nice to have that kind of goodwill on both sides when you're changing jobs. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's one big thing about working the library field. You could just trust your colleagues and your institutions.
What was your experience of the leadership program?
This program is my very first leadership program. And it has three major components to it. So there is this monthly meeting, where all the cohort members come together. And ARL will invite a speaker to talk on one specific topic for that session. And then there is these on-site meetings, which happened two times for us. One is at Virginia Commonwealth University. And one happened at Harvard University. And the third component to it is the sponsor/mentor component.
So each cohort member gets to be paired with one person who could be in senior leadership team in a university library. And then the pair decides how often or what kind of format they want to meet and work together. So those are the three thing, three major parts of the program to me. So I just really enjoyed all of those three things. Because they just provide a very different, essential knowledge to leadership skills.
Did any of those parts work differently than you expected? Were you surprised how any of it went?
I think my sponsor and mentor part is not different than I-- well, it's kind of different, yet it's better than I expected. Because like I said, I was in the transition time of my work and the career. And this is my first bigger leadership role in the career. And I was very, very anxious when I was getting into this role. Then Karen came in-- Karen Estlund-- she's working at-- she's the Library Dean at Colorado State University. So she came in at a really timely-- really, really good timing.
So I'm like, I'm anxious. I don't know what to do. Everyone on the team is just way better than me in every aspect. So what am I going to do with it? And then she walked me through this mental process, where you need to realize that you were selected for a reason. It's actually a lucky thing to have a senior team to work with. Because everyone already know what they do. You just need to walk into this position. First of all, do a supporting role for your team.
And then actually, later in that year, a few realistic things, problems came up. And I'm like, what do I do with them? So I just emailed Karen. Karen, this happened to me. What do I do about it? And she will give me very doable suggestions as what actions you might be able to take, what is your safe way of handling certain things. So that's-- yeah, I didn't expect that. But it's very, very helpful at the time.
Did you picture yourself in a leadership role when you started your career?
Not at all. Not at all. Because I'm-- it's interesting. I'm Chinese. I was born and raised in China. And I moved to the States when I was 22-23. English was my second language. And I had my degree from University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. Interesting thing about getting into the program as a foreigner, you have to have a TOEFL score. And then turn out, library school requires a higher TOEFL score than other schools.
So from the very beginning, they have a higher expectation of your communication, which is to my disadvantage. And every institution that I worked with, I am the absolutely minority. I work at Alabama State University, where we have maybe 50-60 people in total. And there were three Chinese. And then moved to University of South Florida-- I was the only one, only Chinese for maybe five-six years. Until later years, I was able to join such committees.
I was able to-- where I have a voice and then I was able to hire another two Chinese colleagues. Shortly after they came on board, I moved over to UW Madison. And we now have about 200 people. There is about four or five Chinese people. So it's just with such a small population and being an absolute minority. And if you see me in person, you'll notice that I'm a smaller size of person. That's one thing that makes me anxious when I first moved to Madison.
Because everyone here-- I had a lot of-- I have a few male colleagues. They are tall. They are everything bigger than me. So yeah, it's really hard to picture, especially in my younger-- when I was younger. It's really hard. It's almost impossible for myself to picture me being in a leadership position, to tell people what to do. Because what do I know? CHARLIE BENNETT: Have you overcome that sense of your stature? In a way, yes. I found that.
First of all, I needed to walk out of my own stereotype of thinking people-- bigger guys can be really nice, really gentle, really humble. Their figure is not saying anything about their personality. So is mine. Me being smaller in many ways doesn't mean that I'm not capable of doing certain things. I'm actually maybe stronger in many other ways. So yeah, in a way, I think I had to overcome that kind of thinking. Also, being a mom also changed me way much. I have two children now.
And being able to take care of them makes me feel like I can take care maybe even more people.
Well, thank you so much for joining us.
Oh, thank you so much for having me.
This is Lost in the Stacks. And you've been listening to our interviews with three members of the Uproar Class, the 2022 through 2023 cohort of the Association of Research Libraries Leadership and Career Development Program.
Those were Afra Bolefski, inclusive user experience strategist at the University of Toronto, Mai Lu, head of public services and outreach at University of Toronto Mississauga, and Xiying Mi, head of resource description at University of Wisconsin Madison.
File this set under Z678.M343.
[MAJOR ACCIDENT, "LEADERS OF TOMORROW"]
[ERIC'S TRIP, "FOLLOW"]
That was "Follow" by Eric's Trip. And we started with "Leaders of Tomorrow" by Major Accident. Those are songs about the people who lead the way.
[MUSIC PLAYING]
Our show today was called "The Uproar Class." And at the top of the show, we heard from guest Mai Lu about her leadership role models. And so now I would like to ask each one of you, who is one of your role models, professional or otherwise? Charlie?
This is a really tough question for me. Because my role models are all junkies or dead or both. And I only just started learning that now, recently, in my adulthood, and snapping to. I shouldn't be modeling myself on William S. Burroughs or Iggy Pop or even Bob Dylan during those years. So I guess Sam Sheppard.
All right. CHARLIE BENNETT: How about you, Fred?
I'm going to go back to my youth, when I first remember being asked this question. Because I do have a very strong memory of being about--
Do you remember the first time someone asked you this?
I remember being about 10 or 11 years old. So when I was young, I went to church most Sundays. And I remember, in a Sunday school class, one of the instructors there at the class said, all right, I want everyone here-- a bunch of 10 or 11-year-olds-- to tell me who your hero is. And of course, this being church, and all of us regular churchgoers, we knew to answer-- was like, oh, yeah, Jesus, right? Yeah, that's who we're supposed to say, so the first couple of kids.
He's important in the church, right?
Yeah, answered that. And then this third kid, who is my hero to this day, said, Mr. T. And so that's what I'm going to go with. I'm going to go with Mr. T.
Oh, god
How about you, Cody?
I have to go with the first answer that came to mind. And it's a man named Miller Templeton, who is--
Oh, my god, Miller. Yes.
--a huge--
Smith Dorm.
--huge person here at Georgia Tech and is the reason I was able to graduate.
Holy cow.
Just found me when I was at my lowest GPA and had a whole system to bring me back, taught me how to really meet people and interact with people. I still think about Miller every day. So I hope you're listening to this, Miller.
Did you live in Smith? Or was he doing something else by the time you--
He found me at a Public Speaking Club meeting and was like, how's your grades? And I was like, not good. And he was like, well, we should talk.
Holy cow.
And definitely put me on the path to graduation. So thank you, Miller. What about you, Marlee?
Well, I have two answers. One of them is Sonya.
Friend of the show, Sonya Slutskaya. CHARLIE BENNETT: I like that one.
I think I'll just stick with that. I'm just going to say, more often, I should be just asking, what would Sonya do? And that will get me through so much.
We have time for the second answer. Come on.
OK. My very first library job, I asked one of the librarians, should I do this? What's it like for you? And she said, I get to do what I like. And I don't take my work home with me. And I was like, that sounds like the job for me.
Oh, gosh. Roll the credits on that one, Fred.
[MUSIC PLAYING]
There are a couple of my role models also. Lost in the Stacks is a collaboration between WREK Atlanta and the Georgia Tech Library, written and produced by Alex McGee, Charlie Bennett, Fred Rascoe, and Marlee Givens. Oh, I used the last names. Oh, no.
We're not anonymous anymore.
Legal counsel and a copy of Year of Yes by Shonda Rhimes were provided by the Burrus Intellectual Property Law Group in Atlanta, Georgia.
There were a lot of notes in that book.
I can't wait to write my book, The Year of No and The Year of Get Lost, Jerk. Special thanks to Afra, Mai, and Xiying for being on the show, for the community of the ARL LCDP alumni breaking down barriers in the profession. And thanks, as always, to each and every one of you for listening.
Our web page is library.gatech.e du/lostinthestacks-- we're going to change that one day-- where you'll find our most recent episode, a link to our podcast feed, and a web form, if you want to get in touch with us.
Next week, it's a rerun. Enjoy your fall break, DeKalb County and Atlanta City Schools. And we'll be back in two weeks with some digital archivist shenanigans.
Shenanigans.
It's time for our last song today. And as far as songs go that match the theme, this last one feels like it was written specifically for our topic today. It's called "Librarians in Uproar."
You have got to be kidding me. You found an exact-- that is so on the nose. You made that up.
That's for real and for true. That is the name of the song. It's by the group called The Standby. And we're going to play it right now on Lost in the Stacks. Have a great weekend, everybody.
[THE STANDBY, "LIBRARIANS IN UPROAR"]