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if you want to get more involved with Lockdown Bengals and James. We're going to get into some topics from Vegas as Jamar Chase and T Higgins were on Radio Row making some comments about T Higgins' future, about what could have been this year. Going to focus today on T Higgins's future and unfortunately Willy Anderson is still waiting for the Hall of Fame. We're going to start with those
two topics. Yeah, Look, I think there's so much made of the Jamar Chase, Joe Burrow and LSU bond, and it's obviously, you know, especially between Jamar and Joe, it's a great bond. Like justin Jefferson's always thrown out there, Clyde Edwards a Larry and I'm gonna be guilty of it. I'm gonna throw his name out there soon in that connection that bond.
Bad Moss, Joe Burrow, T Higgins and Jamar Chase as a trio have been together longer than that LSU group that everyone talks about the bond, and so I do think it's interesting when you watch k Adams right or any of these interviews from Radio Row and T Higgins is talking about his future, Jamar Chase is talking about his future, and Jamar's like, I don't even want to go there yet, And I agree, because I think there's a
very real scenario where either it's the last season that they're together in twenty twenty four, or maybe they've played their last snap together. And Jamar I think already felt that and went through that with Tyler Tyler Boyd in just processing that mentally, now, who knows, maybe Tyler comes back, but I think mentally he's there, and so with t he doesn't want to be there. And so I just want to highlight that I think they are tight. It's
not just the Bounty sponsorship that it has brought them together. I think they are good friends. And they keep saying that that's my wingman. Well, I wouldn't go that far. That's the little tag slogan that they're asked to say for the sponsor, but I do think they view it that way to a degree, like that they're bo and so that does matter, and hopefully they can play together for quite some time. And that's kind of where I'm at. I would like the Bengals to re sign Tea above all else.
I don't think it will happen, but that's that's where I'm hopeful that it does. Yeah, the ideal outcome remains t Higgins extension and Andre Prada just did some great analysis on Twitter breaking down how the cap percentages would compare to the Peyton Manning, Reggie Wayne Marvin Harrison trio in Indianapolis back in Peyton Manning's day and Indy. The other thing from Higgins that I thought was interesting is when they're talking about the future, te Higgins said, it's not really the
plan. It sounds like option A is staying Cincinnati. Option B is get paid a boatload of money and free agency. Option A, of course, also involves getting paid a boatload of money and staying in Cincinnati. Neither's a bad option for Tea. You understand why he would take either of those choices, but it does sound like OPTIONE is saying in Cincinnati. Meanwhile, let's
talk NFL honors. Six of nine major awards go to the AFC North, and you know, every time something like this happens, I just sit here and think, Man, the NFL show does fall over themselves to pile awards onto the Browns, the Steelers, the Ravens when they do anything well. The Bengals not so much. Although Joe Burrow did recently win Comeback Player of the Year, Jamar Chase did recently win Offensive Rookie of the Year. For these other awards, you have to go way back, and probably deservedly so.
I'm not saying there's anything crazy there, but there is an anti Bengals bias historically from AP voters and Willie Anderson. I think in his still languishing Hall of Fame campaign. It is a great example of that. It just shouldn't be this hard to get the best right tackle of his generation into the Hall of Fame. And there's another great group of guys joining Hall of Fame eligibility next year. James, It's hard to say what's going to happen in
the future. It sounds like Willy Anderson was closer this year, and it's a really good Hall of Fame class. But like I said, it just shouldn't be this hard. This should have been done a long time ago. It should be a no brainer. The fact that we're sitting here talking about a year after year is starting to get it, not starting to get continues to be frustrated. Yeah, I agree. And the crappy part about it is I wasn't super confident. I know there was a lot of hope.
I wasn't super confident he was getting in this year. And it has nothing to do with him. It's just the process, and I think it will happen. But until it does, I'm just kind of like, Okay, we'll see. It's almost like, all right, I'm the anti Michael Scott. I'm not ready to get hurt again, So I'm not I like, mentally, I'm over here because I can't control it. I'm not a voter
or anything like that. And me tweeting about it. There's been plenty of Bengals fans, pundits people that have tweeted about it, and that's great. I think the pub is certainly necessary. And then you look at who got in, and I would disagree and with some of them, not that they shouldn't be in at some point, but I do think Willy deserves credit for
his tweets of being humble and respecting the process. At the same time, I don't think it takes an NFL Hall of Fame voter to look at it and say, well, Willy Anders didn't get in, Antonio Gates didn't get in. And the longevity of Antonio Gates, how long he played, he retired in twenty eighteen after the twenty eighteen season. Billy Price and Antonio Gates played in the NFL at the same time. To just put it in perspective that way, it's kind of wild. So yeah, I was surprised,
and not just by Willie but by Antonio as well. Just to show that it's not just this orange and black colored glasses that I'm looking at. Hopefully Willy gets in next year, though, and Antonio Gates is a clear easy like I don't great, I don't know. Hall of Fame voters seem to always get something wrong or some things wrong. This year. It's tough, Like I said, like, it shouldn't have taken Patrick Willis this long to get it. It shouldn't have taken some of these guys multiple years. Patrick
Willis probably should have been a first out Hall of Famer. There's a bunch of guys coming up that are deserving of the Hall of Fame as well. And this is part of the problem they have where they're only putting five guys in from the modern list every year. Is there's just a lot of guys to get through, and I think that is a challenge. But Willie Anderson will be going into his twelfth year of Hall of Fame eligibility. I believe he's gone three years now in a row as a finalist. Next year is
probably going to be four years in a row, I would imagine. Don't think that should change. And hopefully it's just the slowest steps of progress and working his way through the process. And we don't have to talk about this for too many more years because the guy's deserving of the Hall of Fame honor. I don't know how much I want to talk about the rest of the
NFL honors. James Kevin Stefanski became these thirteenth coach ever to be a multi time AP Coach of the Year winner, and on a tiebreaker, so Lisa was close, I guess, but they should really rename that award to coach whose team outperform media expectations the most. Because Andy Reid's won at once, Kyle Shanahan has never wont to Bill Belichick only won it three times in his coaching career. The best coach just doesn't win this award most years. It's
the coach who x's expectations by the most. Yeah, a lot of these awards are like that, and that's why you better not do in your profession. Don't try to do it for the trophy are the hardware. Because you're getting the hardware, it might not be the best sign. Kevin Stevanski did a great job. I also think that the voting eight he should have been
second Themiko Ryans would have been my vote. I would have voted for Puka Nakua, by the way, So it's not like I was just thinking, all Houston, Pooka should have gotten way more votes for Offensive Rookie of the Year to me, didn't. And you know there's a couple other ones that there's debate about. I'm not shocked about Miles Garrett. I think that makes sense. You made a good point about Assistant Coach of the Year though,
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Here we are, James pff mock draft simulator, locked and loaded, and let's see what's on deck for the first round pick. Let's see where we can make fun of this draft simulator. Marvin Harrison Junior going behind Malik Neighbors. There's one right away. I'm not making fun of them for it wholesale. The first first five picks quarterback, quarterback, receiver, receiver, receiver. You could you could see that for sure. Cooper Dejohn at seven, though I could not see. Hey, by the way, Brian,
let's see Brian Callahan. If Jade Daniels is there at seven, seriously consider it. Don't be all in on Will Levis. You must be out your mind anyways. I agree Cooper Dejohn at seven, though that seems pretty wild to me. Totally agree. The rest of these are. I know you can continue to not agree with bo Nix and zero chance. I don't think
I do either. But we'll see JJ McCarthy there. Put JJ McCarthy there, Sure, that'll be who goes in the top seventeen that isn't projected to right now quarterback wise, So Bengals on the clock here, and the situation just for the people who aren't watching and are just listening is Joe alt Olufshanu to Lise Fuaga, j C. Latham are the tackles that have been selected. There have been a couple of cornerbacks selected as well. Yep, I'm
still thinking transistors on Newton. Johnny Newton also goes one pick before our pick, a situation where, by the way, you're one hundred percent thinking about trading up for Newton in my opinion if he gets anywhere close to your pick, and you know, I'm probably considering this from twelve on if I'm the Bengals, maybe even a little bit earlier, depending on the cost of those I'd be calling each of those teams. So there are trade up possible abilities.
There was also trade back possibilities. They're five teams interested in coming up here, but probably look at the players available before we talk about streets. Yeah, Terry on Arnold available, quin Jon Mitchell available, so two top corners, Brian Thomas Junior available, Jackson Powers Johnson available kool Aid, McKinstry available, Amarus mims of available, Troy Franklin. There are some options here. Byron Murphy, by the way, who I do think. I think
there's a real chance Byron Murphy's gone before pick eighteen. I know it's weird here, but I'll throw that out there now and put that into the universe. I don't think it's just jerse On Newton. I think there's a chance that Byron Murphy's gone as well. It's also early in the process, and Byron Murphy's probably I think he's expected to go test like an absolute freak. Yeah, the combine, and then you're gonna see, oh Man, Byron
Murphy top fifteen. I think you're gonna see a lot more of that after the combine if you tests the way that I think he's expected to tell, because then people will see it and people will see the RAS score in the Nines. I think that's what's expected for him. Because as of now, I wouldn't trade up for Newton. I would just take Byron Murphy. If you're thinking the defensive tackle, I mean, if he's just going to be there potentially potentially an option. Tyler Geiton, Senior Bowl tackle stand out.
Also there Troy Fatanu, a guy who a lot of people are projecting to kick inside in the NFL. But also there if you wanted to go offensive line. Jordan Morgan from Arizona another tackle if you're just interested in tackle, So a number of corners, a number of tackles. We took him Maarius Men's last time he did this exercise. I think you said Jackson Powers Johnson's
name. I did well. Yep. The problem with this pick and doing mocked off Monday in February is we don't know what's going on with the Higgins. We don't know who they've signed him free agency, sure, and that's where it's always a little bit more difficult. But man tear on Arnold being there, I think he might be the best corner in the class. There's some really good tape for Terry on Arnold out there. I think that that
would be tempting. We've talked Quinon Mitchell, the corner from Toledo who Charles Burke's worked with at the Senior Bowl. No, he would be very interesting as well. Didn't even mention Layatu Latu, who has some injury concerns for sure, But if there's an edge player in this draft that you were gonna pick. That guy is the refined productive, checks all the boxes except top top, top end athleticism. Still a good athlete, but not the freak
athlete. But I think that would be somebody you'd have to consider there as well. But this isn't one where there's a clear that guy fell, let's pick him. This is one where you're talking about Arnold, Latu, Mitchell, probably Brian Thomas. You're probably considering JPJ. You're certainly considering a Marius Men's and just going tackle. Maybe you're even considering Troy Franklin. Troy Franklin
if you just like him better than Brian Thomas. This is where it's a very interesting set of players and where I'm looking at this trade, I'm like, oh, yeah, trade back to twenty two. I'm still going to get somebody I really like and in real life probably would consider that strongly. But what's your lenk? Yeah? Right now, I would say either Terry On Arnold or Byron Murphy. Those would be the two that they stick out to me the most. I think Murphy clearly the bigger need. We don't
know about defensive tackle. It's kind of a cheat code right now in PFF mock simulator to your point, because he's just there. He's ranked thirtieth, so he's going to be there in a lot of mocks. But that's that's where I'm at. If he's there, I don't think there's a standout offensive tackle right now we could have taken. We could take a Marius Mems Again, I go the other way this week. I lean Murphy and Terry On
Arnold would be a close second. But if either one of those eyes are there, I think that they would be legit contenders for the eighteenth pick. And I think they're above just slightly above a quent Yan Mitchell, slightly above Jackson Powers Johnson, above a Brian Thomas, above Franklin. So those are the two for me and Eileen Murphy just based on need. I'm happy to pick Murphy here. You look at the PFF profile here. If you're watching
on YouTube, you can see it. I'll just talk about some of these things for the people that are just listening. The past Rush win rate nineteen point six percent is insane for an interior defensive lineman. That's like pretty close to t J. Watts win rate at the edge position last year. I think he was like a twenty three percent past rush win rate guy last year.
That's in the ninety ninth or higher percentile as you can see four prospects for defensive interior prospects, but still has a really high run stop win rate or run stop rate as well, nine and a half percent run stop rate probably like ninetieth percentile plus judging where the dot is there, really good pass rush grading, really good true pass set, pass rush productivity. Doesn't necessarily have like loads of sacks, right he only has six sacks charted by PFF
in two thousand and three. But you keep in mind that Texas is playing him in weird twenty twenty three. You keep in mind that Texas is playing him in weird alignments. They're playing him in nose quite a bit. Just compare that to Newton has a higher pass rush win rate, a higher run stop rate, higher grading from PFF. Not that those are the be all, end all, but just something that's interesting. And let's just make it back to back interior defensive lineman here in the draft, and part of it
is for the sake of doing something different. Maybe Amarus Men's would just be the pick here. Maybe you just think Terry on Arnold is that much higher ranked of a prospect based on your film evaluations. Maybe you want to take the risk on law to and just get a high end edge player. But let's go Byron Murphy will come back in just a minute and get to the second and third rounds to finish up this week's mock Draft Monday. Today's show
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Jackson Powers, Johnson, Brian Thomas, Junior Quinjon Mitchell all off the board of Marius Mims a few picks later, So all the guys that we were talking about go. Lad McConkie goes to the Ravens at thirty, Tyler Geiton off the board at thirty three, Troy Fatanu at thirty five, a Donni Mitchell at thirty six, Darius Robinson at thirty nine. He's interesting. Keihan Coleman off the board at forty Chop Robinson at forty five, devontees Walker at
forty six. Chris Jenkins by the way, so if you're thinking, oh, maybe Jenkins will be that at forty nine, he goes off the board at forty seven. Christian Haynes, the interior lemon from Connecticut that we've talked about at forty eight. So a lot of guys that we've discussed at some point on this pod off the board. One guy that is on the board that we talked about late last week, Patrick Paul still available, So that's someone that's near the top of of the PFF board right now. And Kingsley.
Sue Mattea, which was the guy Suma Matteia, which was one of the guys I was going to go look for. And what's his name, Sua Matteia, you pronounced I don't know, you pronounced the I is the tip from Parker. Parker Blake, who was with us last week, pronounced all the vowels in Islander names. Sue Matteia, Yeah, it'sa nope, Sue Matia, su Sue Sue Mattea. I gotta get it down before they pick him forty ninth overall. All right, Kingsley, Hey Matea, Yeah,
Sue Matteia, Yep. The crazy part is I have Yosi Vash down in most of Cincinnati can't do it. So I'm gonna get Sue Matteia down by draft night. I got a lot of things, a lot of syllables, salavels, sala levels. Uh played right tackle. If you're watching on YouTube, you can see he played six hundred and eighty seven right tackle snaps in twenty twenty two, six hundred and forty four right left tackle snaps in twenty twenty three, so he's played both sides. He was a transfer,
But the upside with Sue Matilla Sua Matteia is very, very high. And we talked about last week one of the one of the Sewel relatives. So has that bloodline going as well, Patrick Paul, I think maybe he's going to be the higher rated PFF prospect probably throughout the process, might be seen as a higher floor player, but never played right tackle. And I'm ignoring pretty much every other position here because I think this is the latest you can
get a tackle. And I don't know that you will be able to get Sue Matilla here in real life. But Tavion Sanders also available. Some wide receivers that I think would be interesting, Tremaine Burton from Alabama, Da limp Polk from Washington. I think JJ McCarthy is still available. That's never gonna happen. Yeah, never anyways, sorry, And Tovandre Sweatt continues to be
available in the second round of these. So this is where if you're doing these and you're only doing the simulators, like I can get derevondreswent in the second round. Of course, I'm taking a tackle in the first round. Yeah, would how tempting would you be? And it depends on free agency just to keep Murphy and Sweat together. And just like if this did play out and and it's Sue Matilla, Sue Matteia, right, Kingsley, It's Kingsley and Tandre No, you got it right the second time, nailed it?
Yeah, So would you still go offensive tackle? Let let's say they signed Jermaine Ilumini, which which way would you go here? I would still be very tempted by the upside with Sue Mattia at the same time. I mean, we talked last week about how much of that sweat, but I would take the offensive tackle sweat and Murphy together. I'm drooling, but let's together. It would be fun. Let's go, uh, Sue Mattea. Yeah, gotta say it with your chest, Sue Mattea, just just because
I think the fall off there just I agree. We'll just look at tackle and maybe you can make an argument for Patrick Paul here. But like Dominic Pooney from Kansas, I don't think he's staying at tackle in the NFL. We talked about him with Mike last week a little bit, and then there's huge gap. Christian Jones is probably the next guy, and the serious reason that he would not be picked in the second round, and chief among those
is that he's like a twenty three year old. Oh I'm not saying picking that, but that's it is like the drop off and then you're talking about one guy. So no, let's go Sue a Mateia and see what we have next. I think what we're hoping for next, just just to look ahead a little bit here, as I like to do, is Roman. One of these receivers. Roman see, that's not who I'm targeting. But
I wouldn't be opposed, just not the guy I'm singling out. Let's see who we got, all right, So Kingsley, we officially take Sue Matteia. All right, Let's see what we're gonna do here at pick eighty. Xavier let Guette off the board, Jalen Polk off the board, Jatavian Sanders off the board, Patrick Paul, Ricky Pursall. Look at that run on receivers. Four receivers in a tight end in the next five pick. And this is I think somewhat realistic. There's gonna be crazy runs on receiver in
this draft. There is. It's it's funny. Everyone says how deep it is, and it is. But they're gonna go like, there's gonna be a lot of receivers taken, just like the tackles are gonna go no doubt, gonna go quick. And there isn't that depth of defensive tackle to wait super long either. They're gonna have to address one of the positions in free agency. Brandon Fisk. Branden f goes sixty sixth overall. IF's there at eighty, yeah, well, I mean, if he's there at eighty,
I'd be in on it. I don't think you could take it much earlier than that. Roman Wilson off the board. Did the Jets come on? And JJ McCarthy off the board of the Broncos, that'd be crazy. And I gets picked Jarvis Bradley, one of Mike's favorite performers at the Senior Bowl. He's going to be flying up Mark mock drafts. That's the name of this noteworthy if you were listening last week. Bernardo Green another guy that's flying
up right now on the post All Star Game process. And man Brandon Dorless one pick away from the Bengals pick in the third round, which Jalen McMillan too, Washington receiver. It's gone seems a little crazy that I don't know what I know. Yeah, I know about your guy. You're not that guy. It's a different set of guys, although that's one of them. But Brandon Dorlyss is a guy that I would consider the second round for the
Bengals. So talking about rare defensive lineman or landing in this draft, that is very interesting. I'm in on Trey Benson at eighty, by the way, so put him on as a potential option here. I'm not too familiar with the running back said I want to go look at, but he was familiar with your game. Oh you will be big dog. Benson is a problem. I just go back to when Mike Renner told us that there's like three running backs in this class that he would have graded ahead of Chase Brown
and Trey Benson is one of them. I'm sure. But but running back really just went on the back burner after here. Yeah, I can't all on that, though. I think that there's a very real possibility to after running back starting probably at this pick. I'm just saying I downloaded like eight games to watch last night, and it's Ricky Piersoll, Brian Thomas, Adenin, Mitchell cade Stover, and Jatavian Sanders. None of those are running backs.
Fair anyway, Leonard Taylor, speaking of defensive interior in the third round, I think would be extremely interesting. Let's look at wide receiver, because that's what I want to look at right now. I don't know about you, Malachi Corley. I don't know that you'll get him in the third round, but certainly interesting. Jamari Thrash is actually the guy then I was very
interested in seeing here Jon Baker the other one. I'm going to buy you a Javon Baker jersey if he goes to someone that isn't like an AFC North team or the Chiefs. No, just get you one. I will be watching his career with great interest. Still need to find his tape. Don't don't have access to any of his tape yet. I've only been able to watch. I went Marcus for see me Jack Saint because of his name,
that's a great name. Molie Washington is another guy that I think people will have to familiarize ourselves with just from like crazy production profile had a crazy All Star game as well, but by and a wide receiver that is very much not the Bengals type. No, you got to be at least my height five nine the other name here that I that's not their threshold. Just to be clear for everybody. Well, it is at least that it's higher than
that. But it is higher than that. Luke McCaffrey. I don't think in the third round as a guy considering, but another wide receiver to mention that I think will be higher than he's currently situated in the semi in fourth round, you know if he's there and you need one, you know, it could certainly be in the mix. Certainly like his pedigree. You take him Thrash. I'm not going to say no to a receiver, man. I would have taken three receivers. I like Jamury Thrash quite a bit.
As you can see here on PFF. It seems to be some drop rate issue, seems to be some contested catch issues. A red shirt junior had a great senior Bowl. I would just look at tight end as well. I don't know a lot about Thrash. I'm not gonna lie to you, not yet. Kate ken Sover Benson not will be the tight ends here. Theo Johnson another one that stand out. I think all three of those guys and jaheem Bell could all be in this late third between the Bengals third and
fourth round pick kind of range. Honestly, I think we should go with your guy, though not Jamury Thrash. Let's do it because we haven't picked him right. We have picked Javon Baker, and I think, like you, a lot of people are viewing him, starting to see him. I'm seeing him mention more and more. There's a real chance he's not even available at pick eighty. I see people in the simulators getting him in round four
and five. Yeah, no, that's not happening. I think eighty could be his floor, you know, in that third range, the third round, day two is his floor. Maybe not eighty, but eighty for the Bengals. So let's take him. He's your guy, and you know me, I love wide receivers. Javon Baker. Let's roll with a baby, even though Trey Benson is in there. Trey Benson is in there for me,
ladies and gentlemen. Absolute flair. When I was talking to Mike Renner about Baker last week, he told me second round is probably where the Bengals would need to pick Baker. And this is a guy that great change the direction ability. I think he's a good route runner, insame ball skills, ability to play above the ram, plays bigger than his size just under six ' one. The only thing missing from his game is vertical speed acceleration.
But then at the Senior Bowl he was the fastest wide receiver. I believe at the Senior Bowl fifth fifth fastest player by GPS. So if you can answer those speeding questions and go run a nice forty Javon Baker as a future two I guess across from Jamar ch Ace in that world. Barretie Higgins is not a future Cincinnati Bengal long term would be my guy. And PFF is gonna kill this one. We're gonna get like a C minus for that pick, D minus D for the Javon Baker pick. If man, this is
going in college? This is you in college, man, D minus Wow, never my life, never me, neither me neither uh didn't love Anytia Sue a Mateia got a B It's Sue a mattea. I'm getting it right. Byron Murphy C plus on Draft night, the Byron Murphy pick would be an A minus from PFF. Kingsley Sue Matilla will be probably another A minus, and I think Baker at eighty would also be I think this is actually
an A. So there you go. I would like it. I'll send it over to Mike Renner and and get him to give us a quick don't great again, Mike, please create our mock my thoughts. Oh, that's gonna do it for this episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. Appreciate you listening. Let us know what you think of this mockdraft in the comments if you're somewhe where comments are allowed, And until next time, who Day and have a good