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Warren's Wisdom: Emotional Maturity and Self Care

Aug 04, 202333 minSeason 1Ep. 42
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Have you ever wondered about the emotional toll the American criminal justice system takes on an individual? Ponder no more. This eye-opening conversation with our guest, a survivor of this system, offers an authentic glimpse into the complexities of navigating through emotional and practical hurdles. He lays bare his challenges, resilience, and lessons learned, sharing how he mastered the art of emotional balance to triumph over adversities. This soul-stirring dialogue challenges the traditional notion of masculinity, emphasizing the importance of problem-solving and resourcefulness.

Venturing into the realm of emotional intelligence, we dissect its influence on partnerships and relationships. Our guest provides insights into how men and women express and manage emotions differently, highlighting the importance of validation for men and security for women. We also explore our guest's journey of acceptance and resilience, discussing how experiences shape our life outlook and the role of respite in healing from traumas. This candid conversation serves as a testament to the power of empathy, resilience, and patience. Don't miss out on this enlightening journey that explores the depths of human emotions and resilience.

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Speaker 1

Welcome to Lockdown the Legacy stories from the inside out . I'm your host , remy Jones .

Speaker 2

And I'm co-host Debbie Jones . We're a husband and wife team here to bring you the real life stories , experiences and questions around the American criminal justice system . We do advise discretion with this podcast . I think we should put that out there first and foremost .

We are going to talk about experiences that happen inside the prison system , outside of prison systems . We will use language that might be offensive , but we intend to keep it real , and if that's not for you , we totally understand , but please do what's best for your listening ears .

Speaker 1

Oh , we're about to keep it real , son . Our goal of this podcast is to share the inside realities of the American prison and criminal justice system , from precharges all the way to post-release , from the voices of those who've experienced it firsthand , including me .

Speaker 2

That's right , we'll get into it .

Speaker 3

We paid debit call from war An inmate at the Graffin Correctional Institution To accept this call . Press zero to refuse this call . Hang up or press one To prevent calls from this facility . Press nine this call is from a DRC correctional facility and is subject to monitoring and recording .

Utilization of an unapproved application and three-way calls to communicate are strictly prohibited and a violation of DRC policy . Thank you for using GTL . Thank you for using GTL .

Speaker 1

What's up , bro , what's up ? Man ? Ain't that much man .

Speaker 3

How you been . I've been better , but I'm getting back to my normal self . How you been .

Speaker 1

I feel the same way .

Speaker 3

What way is that ?

Speaker 1

I've been better , but I've been worse too .

Speaker 3

Yeah , absolutely , absolutely .

Speaker 1

So what they are not going to do is complain .

Speaker 3

It's interesting because when I was going through TC , it was this woman one of the counselors , and they see me now . So I'm always well-addressed , always speak politely , and so they have this thing called a one-on-one session , which I can't remember the call right now .

But where it is is your peers tell you things that they see about you that they feel you need to work on . A lot of people say , well , I don't really have a lot to say about Chromedy . But the counselor said well , I want to make a comment about Chromedy .

And she said Mr Chromedy , my concern for you is that I'm afraid that when you go home and things don't go right for you , that you're going to have a problem with that because you need everything to be so perfect . And when she said it , I looked at her and I'm like you don't know nothing about my life .

Everything about my life has been wrong and I've learned to overcome these things . But her opinion was that because everything has to be so perfect , when things go wrong , then that's when I'm going to panic and fall apart .

And one of the things that I shared with you in the email was we're so used to getting gutted , disappointed , things not going right that we very seldom take the time to acknowledge it because we feel we have to just keep on going . We have to keep on pushing forward .

We can't stop , because if we stop then we may fall apart and I'm learning slowly , but that's not healthy .

Speaker 1

It's not . It's not , but I'm learning that there's a balance . Some people think that just because you don't show emotion , you're one of those people who feel like men are supposed to cry or men are supposed to show emotion or anything like that . And that's not always the case .

I'm not one of those people , but I am one of those people who , you know , when my kids cry , I'm like , hey , cut that out . And it's not because I feel like they shouldn't cry , especially my son . It's because I feel like there's a problem to solve . You can't afford to just shut down and cry .

You know , you got to learn how not to not experience or express your emotions , but to keep them in check so that you can think your way through the problem . You don't have the luxury of shutting down , crying and just getting your way . That's not how my life experience was .

So you know it's not that especially me , man , I'm always , you know , working through a problem , one or another . But it's not that I'll express my emotions . It's not that I don't acknowledge , you know , small victories or defeats . It's just that right now there's an issue that needs to be solved , you know .

So when the time comes to address that , we can talk about it right now . Let's focus on this . You know , and it's definitely something that happened , like coming home , especially when you got a plan and you calculated and recalculated and you won't plan 7.0 . By the time you actually get a chance to start working on it .

You know , yes , you have to be like damn , here's a roadblock that I didn't expect and take the time to acknowledge it . But my thing is , you can't dwell on it too long . You know , acknowledge it , experience that defeat , experience the emotion , express it , talk to somebody whatever you got to do and then be like all right now .

How can I problem solve this ? Now ? I'm also not one of those dudes that buy into the old school I'm very much old school , but I'm not one of those dudes that buy into the old school that every man has to be rough and tough and work with his hands .

You know , right , I'm one of those people that feel like , yeah , I'm not the most handy guy , but I will attempt to problem solve it with my own hands . But , like I said , I can't afford to sit here and cry about it . I need to think my way through it .

So if I can't fix it , let me locate somebody who can procure their services , you know , and get on with it , because really the most elite in the world aren't people who work with their hands . They're people who problem solve and can think their way through when shit falls apart , because they are people who have failed repeatedly .

Speaker 3

Right , but this is the interesting concept I want you to think about and it was just it was just brought to me the other day and they say that the people , in order for a person to be mentally well , they have to convince or delude themselves into a sense of invincibility .

And when reality comes in the form of pain , sickness , hurt , disappointment or betrayal , the reason why it impacts us so much , because the reality that we're not invincible is placed in front of us and it kind of goes to what you were just saying .

That's what made me bring this up , because the moment that we stop thinking that we're invincible , we stop thinking that we're above getting hurt , we're above feeling pain , we're above failing , we're above being disappointment , and realize that these are natural occurrences and our lives , then the emotions that come with these things to stop being enemy .

Oh yeah , we can fill them , not get consumed in them , and then work towards healing from them . But the moment we feel like we're invincible or that we we that , why should we get hurt ?

Then when they actually happen to us , we kind of fall into this victim type statement or victim type mentality , because the reality that we're not invincible and we are just like everyone , sometimes that's just too much to bear .

Speaker 1

Yeah , you know , I got another one of my famous quotes that I wrote down and it says that anger and frustration are the byproduct of unmet expectations . And so I was actually just talking to somebody about this yesterday . I was at work and every single thing went wrong yesterday and they were like well , how's your day going ?

I was like it's still going , because when I have good days , when there's no lines and there's no mistakes and every single thing goes my way , I take it with a smile and I say , man , today was a great day . When everything goes wrong and there's long lines and there's mistakes made and there's problems to solve , I don't say today was a bad day .

I say this is the job that I signed up for . So once again , I'm not sitting here dwelling on oh man , everything's going bad . What was me ? I'm like they literally put all of this in the job description and I signed up and said , yes , I will take it on . So when it happens , no , today's not a bad day . Today I have to work hard .

That's it Right , and that's the same thing for life . I don't go through life thinking that damn man , life about to be cake , just because I'm playing it all out , I say , man , some stuff really went my way . Man , I really got a jump on this and I got in touch with some people that helped me do this and made it easier .

But when it's just me in the grind , man , this is what I signed up for . This is life . Until you overcome that , until you make it so where life is just so easy that you don't have to grind , this is life , so let's live it . But never forget that this is life because you can do all the things in the world to be comfortable .

You could be Jeff Bezos or whoever else , with all the best money and all the people to solve your problems , but remember that life's going to come back and say , hey , I'm still here . So when your health declines and there's nothing you can do about it , or when you lose a loved one and there's nothing you can do about it , remember that this is life .

Speaker 3

It's life . You know , and it happens to all of us . And that's what I was saying about this invincibility . I remember it was this guy named Mo and he and I were down in the bubble , down in D1 . And I asked him what was he going to do when he got out ?

And you know , most time when you ask people that , like man , I'm going to take you to business , I'm going to go out there and do this , You're like I'm going back out there and try and I'm like , damn bro , you already did six years , why would you go back out ? He said , listen here , my .

He said I already accepted the prison as part of that , so I know what I'm going to do . But he said I don't delude myself , that I will never get caught , that I will never get robbed and that something may not happen to me .

So he said I accepted all of that the moment I went out there and decided this was what I was going to do , and at the time when he told me that I wasn't mature enough to grab what he was saying . But I get it now .

Speaker 1

That's definitely some high level stuff . I was with it . What ? Did you say . I said that's definitely some higher level stuff right there .

Speaker 3

Yeah , it sounds immature , it wasn't ready for that .

Speaker 1

It sounds very immature because of the subject , yeah , but it's very much a mature thought .

Speaker 3

Right , and somebody like , oh , that's just too , but it's not . He's saying if this is what I'm going to do , I have to accept everything that's going to be as required and demanded of me , and the idea that I'm not going to get caught is foolish .

He says well , every time I do it , I put a little money up because I know I'm probably coming back to jail , not that . I want to come back to jail . He said when I come here I don't complain because I knew this was part of it and I was .

I'm in his group called Straight Talk , and I was talking to one of the facilitators and I told him I used to think that life was complicated . I think because everyone told me life is complicated . So I just bought into the concept that life is complicated . I said , but I'll come to realize that life isn't complicated .

My ignorance of life makes it complicated , because the more I understand life , the easier it starts to become . But the things that I don't know and I'm just doing things hoping for a better result or hoping something good come out of it .

Then I'm just like I'm rolling the dice and get disappointed when I , when I crap out , you know , and I'm like I'm starting to understand that my life , I have to learn more about what I am . I have to learn to accept more . And when I talk about acceptance , I believe acceptance come in two stages .

I think the first stage of acceptance is learning and understanding that what you need to accept . But the second part is whatever choice I make or whatever choice someone else makes , don't take it personal , because when people make their choices . They're making their choice , which was best for them , even though I may be affected by it .

No , no , they're making their choice worse . A lot of times you think because you're affected by something . You think it's because of me . No , I didn't . You just happened to be affected by it Right but my choice is about me , what I want , what I need , what I think is right , what I think is best . It's all about me .

That's where the acceptance come in at , and the more I understand that then the easier it is for me to deal with you .

Speaker 1

Yeah .

Speaker 3

And the more I understand that , the easier it is for me to deal with life . But that's . It's a hard thing to accept something , especially when it hurts you .

Speaker 1

Yeah , and remember , they're not doing what is best for them , they're doing what they think is best for them .

Speaker 3

Right , right , what they think is best .

Speaker 1

Absolutely , you know , because this is kind of a tangent , but I'm pretty sure we both made the same statement before , where people say , man , why don't you trust anybody ? And I say I trust everybody to do exactly what they think is in their best interest , you know . So this goes back to acceptance and it goes back to how the elite become elite .

It's like it goes back to the same thing . Do what was saying about going back to sell dope . The mafia did it the best . They said , hey , we can do it . We do everything we can to make sure we don't go to prison . And guess what we're going to do ? We're going to plan for what happens when one of us goes to prison , because it's going to happen .

It's going to happen . It comes with the life , you know , and so it's the same thing , just like I trust everybody , but I trust everybody differently because everybody has different motivations . And when bad stuff happens , I say , man , you know what ? I saw that comment . I let it happen , so I accepted .

I don't sit there and be like man , how could they do that ? I know how they could do that , because this X plus Y equals Z , and Z is what they wanted . So they put in X and Y here . I am thinking that it's a , b .

Speaker 3

And it keeps coming back to this idea of invincibility . Like I knew , like when I was out there , there were people that told females he's no good . They said I'm not telling you this because I'm just jealous , I'm telling you from personal experience he is no good . Their mentality was well , he wasn't good for them , but that wouldn't happen to me .

Speaker 1

Right .

Speaker 3

There's been times when people tell me , hey , bro , don't get involved with that . I'm like , well , no , that's what happened to you , that ain't gonna happen to me .

It's this idea that when people give us good advice that we're immune to the consequences of it and no one is immune it may not happen to you immediately , it may not happen to you at that time , but it doesn't mean it can't happen to you . And that was one of the things that I've been dealing with .

Like I said , when the parole board didn't give me my halftime review , I talked to my father and I'm putting on a brave face for them and me and Christine talked about it and I was telling her about how I feel and she was telling me how she was feeling , but I never really absorbed how disappointed I was from that and it didn't hit me until like maybe a

month later and I'm saying , like why am I not motivated ? I don't have no drive . I don't feel like I have any purpose . I'm just basically going through the day and Christine and I talked about it . I said I was disappointed by that .

I had a lot of hopes in possibly coming home this year , and then they said , no , it's extending me back out three years and I was acting like , oh , it wasn't that bad , because that's what you do when you get bad news or disappointed news in prison you just keep moving . You know , like get back into your beat .

That's how we're trained and I'm learning that that's not a good solution . Like you were saying , I had to find a balance . I had to learn how to feel the emotions but don't get stuck in the emotion .

To start problem solving , to start becoming a solution focus but still acknowledge that I was hurt , I was disappointed , and a lot of people don't teach us how to deal with trauma and pain like that emotional pain Pain you can't drink or pop a pill or have sex through Something that you want to have to sit through and wait you up at two o'clock in the

morning like , yeah , I'm still here , I was just waiting for you to wake up , and now I mean you have to have a conversation . They don't teach you how to deal with that and that's where my ignorance was coming in .

That's why I was making things so complicated , because I just didn't know and I didn't know how to deal with it when it happened and no one else was there to shepherd me through , except Christine . I got told you the email man she is . She has been like she has been .

She has been a super woman for me this month and I know I've been getting on her last nurse , but hey , she , she told you through it .

Speaker 2

I'm glad you got that man .

Speaker 1

I'm glad you got that in her and I'm glad you got that in your father and you got that in me . I hope you know that . But what you're saying is is a pretty common concept that we overlook . Look at , you know all the sports that we watched in prison , you know . Think about the Super Bowl , think about the NBA playoffs Win or lose .

It's a reason why you don't go straight from the playoffs to regular season . Again , right , it's a break . It's a break , it's a reset , it's a self care moment . Yeah , you know , it's a reason why you don't go from like , damn , we lost the game seven , fuck it , let's go back and go to the regular season . Man , get back to playing .

I'm like no , go home , chill , relax . Don't do no , two a day trainings , don't do none of that . Like you know , take your time , feel what you're going to feel , live life . Do whatever you got to do to take care of you and then refocus and we're both in , absolutely , you know .

Speaker 3

And I'm sitting there bobbing my head like that and that's exactly what she was telling me . But you know how we men can be sometimes . I know what to do . I've been doing this and she's like baby you need to do this , this is important .

Speaker 1

Yeah .

Speaker 3

She just she worked it through me and I eventually come to accept it , but I know it was a struggle for her to respond , so I'll not thank her for that . You know what man ?

Speaker 1

I'm glad I got you too , because we had already said it on a previous episode . But I'm giving this advice and sometimes I don't even take it myself . Sometimes I sit there like , nah , I gotta get back to it . Like , luckily I got Debbie , you know , I got you . I got people that would be like , hey , man , calm down , take it free day For my birthday .

I didn't do anything , man . My wife gave me a free day . She , literally . I came home and it was like a glass of meat and an Xbox controller and , you know , a change of clothes , and she was like , baby , just go ahead . And I was sitting here looking at some chips , my favorite chips .

She like , maybe , forget about strict eating , forget about you know what time it is like , have a drink , play some video games . She's like I got everything else , I got the kids , I got dinner .

And I'm sitting here feeling guilty , like she's making dinner Kids down there , you know , and I'm sitting here with a glass of meat and an Xbox controller like ain't , no way , I'm gonna sit here and do this all night . I gotta go and be a part of something . She's like no , no , go relax , go relax , take care of you .

And I'm like that's the craziest birthday gift I ever got , but probably the thing that I need it most .

Speaker 3

But that's why it's so important for us to understand , especially people like you and myself , who are independent and feel like we always need to be doing something . We can be super 98% of the time and I've said this before but our partners are there for them .

2% when we need to be told to sit down , when we are weak , when we can't get it together , when we are confused or we're not certain or we're not as strong as we can be because everything is coming at us at 1,000 miles an hour . That 2% means so much in those moments that they understand I don't , hey , he's a free spirit .

I have to let him run , because to try to restrict him is only gonna hurt or try to restrict her . But that 2% is where your partner is needed .

You have your 2% with Debbie and me and other people who love you , and I have my 2% with Christine , you and all the other people who love me , and those are the people who understand what partnership and companionship is about .

These are the individuals who know us , who've learned us , who understand us , and sometimes they need to fight against us when we don't know what's best for us , and we become thankful for them . But this is part of that emotional maturity , that emotional intelligence that people think that men don't have .

But this is us showing our emotional intelligence , our emotional competency , by acknowledging the women and the people in our lives who give us these things and we receive it with full gratitude . It doesn't . Men don't always have to show emotion through crying and we don't always show emotions that way .

Emotions there's a plethora of emotions that we could display Empathy , happiness , joy , sadness , anger . All these things are healthy part and natural parts of who we are , just expressed in different mediums and ways of expression .

Speaker 1

Yeah , I've seen a video one of my guilty pleasures . I watch a bunch of videos online and like Reddit and Facebook and stuff and I hate it , but I at the same time can't stop .

And it was one where this dude was talking about emotional maturity and they were talking about how every woman says they want men to express themselves , but then when they do , it's kind of like frowned upon .

And he was like the reason why a lot of men don't choose to express their emotions is because , especially when it comes to a male-female relationship , is because men tend to rely on women for validation more than women rely on men . And that sounds crazy .

It sounds crazy , right , because women are statistically I mean stereotypically like the emotional creature , right ? That don't ? really sound crazy to me he was like the validation is that we want to know that what we put in is valued . You know it's .

We've been taught that we are supposed to be the providers , we're supposed to be the protectors , we're supposed to be all this strong stuff , but nobody wants to put themselves through all of that when it's not appreciated .

And that's why they say that women always or more concerned with love and that is their version of , you know , happiness in a relationship and men are more concerned with respect . Yeah , like the way we receive love is respect and appreciation and honor . So I thought that was real interesting man as a old school .

Speaker 3

What's that I said . An old school told me one time . He said women want security , men want a woman's belief in him . He said these are the distinction between the two . And when I really thought about it , if a woman doesn't believe in us , it just it takes everything away from us .

We want a woman to believe in us when we are at our worst and still put faith in her energy into us . But a woman just wants to know that she has her place securely securely in your life . She don't need all those bells and whistles .

She needs to know that , when it comes to everything else in me , I have my place securely locked into your life and I will be valued for that . But we do . We need the one . That's why so many men are bitter coming out of prison , because we feel that every single person that we wanted to believe in us didn't , and so we talk about getting out .

Yeah , I'm a show everybody , emma , that they should never have left me . They shouldn't have because no one believed in us and the lack of the form of belief is almost like God , like remember the things where the God's game their power through people's belief in them .

Yeah the lack of belief diminished us , and so we have to convince ourselves that we're better than the example that everyone else shows us that we're not . You know , that's something I recently acknowledged man .

Speaker 1

Like really recently probably , like maybe earlier last month , I Actually acknowledged that I actually fell victim to that man . I Really came home and was like man , all these people counted me out and I'm not out here to get no Revenge or nothing like that , but I'm gonna get my revenge through success . I'm gonna be success .

I'm gonna stay just close enough to let them watch it happen and then I'm gonna peel off , I swear , and I like like telling myself this I was like oh shit , yeah yeah , and I feel bad about it . You know , especially about Like people , I feel like I'm doing better than now .

You know , not thinking , not saying I feel like I'm better than them , but like I feel like Like I really wanted to show them and now I showed them and I'm like damn Kind of feel like I threw it in their face , yeah , yeah , even though I didn't even know , I wasn't even close enough to throw it in their face .

I feel like damn , like I Feel guilty when I shouldn't . I didn't go back to be like look at me , look what I did . Ha , you ain't believe in me , you know right , I was just like you ain't do it because of that .

Speaker 3

You did it because of you .

Speaker 1

No , I didn't . I mean I did it because , like I made promises to people , man , I made promises of what I was gonna be . And then , you know , I understand every Especially people in prison make a lot of promises that don't come through . But I came home and I came through on all of them and I'm like , damn , look at you , yeah .

But at the same time it's like I always said that my biggest motivation wasn't for me , it wasn't for any promise that I made to anybody else . I made promises to my children before I even had children , you know , and I was like man .

One thing that I have to be above all else is a good father , and by being a good father is not just being present but also being a good example and Letting them know where I've been , where I come through , you know when I came from , what I've been through and where I'm at now and how I got there .

And so I was like there's nothing you can do to slow me down . There's no distraction you can give me that would ever jeopardize being or providing for my kids . So when dudes come home and they be like , look , I'm gonna show them , I'm gonna get this car , I'm gonna put some rims on it .

I'm gonna be on , you know , instagram flashing money like they got different motivations than me , you know yeah . When people be like damn , why you ain't throw that in so-and-so's face , like cuz really just wanted to do it for my kids man .

Speaker 3

Yeah , and , and honestly , life is too short to try to prove things other people . I Mean one , one of the things that I'm really learning to appreciate , christine and I was talking about it yesterday and she was asking me . She said why is it that people don't value life ? And I told her that life isn't something that we can see or it really feel .

We don't really think of life as far as something that's real . When we look at life , we look at life as opportunities . The more opportunities and the better opportunities we have , the greater life is . The less opportunities how we have , or the more Disadvantages we have , the worst life is .

But the actual force of life we really don't feel until death is present . You have one minute remaining and that will be a conversation for another time , you know before you go .

Speaker 1

Man , it's just one thing I used to tell people about , like anger , especially holding a grudge , and this is it's related loosely to all of this . It's like when , when you're mad at somebody and you're holding a grudge , they're over there living their life and they don't even know you're mad , it's not affecting them one way or another .

You over there like man , bitch , ass , motherfucker , man . I'm a oh , I wish he would fall in a hole and he over there , like you know , do , do , do , do . Life is grand . Yeah , I feel like the same thing for like holding that grudge , trying to stun on somebody . You like , man , look , I'm gonna show them .

And they like oh yeah , I do remember that , dude . What are you up to now ? Like they ain't thinking about you , bro . You put notice energy in the show on them and they like , oh , okay , I'm about here , man .

Speaker 3

I love you . Man , let's tell the family I'll sit high on the level .

Speaker 1

I'll talk to you another time . Love you too , bro . Thanks for calling .

Speaker 3

Thank you for using GTL .

Speaker 2

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