¶ Lockdown the Legacy
Welcome to Lockdown the Legacy stories from the inside out . I'm your host , remy Jones .
And I'm co-host Debbie Jones . We're a husband and wife team here to bring you the real life stories , experiences and questions around the American criminal justice system . We do advise discretion with this podcast . I think we should put that out there first and foremost .
We are going to talk about experiences that happen inside the prison system , outside of prison systems . We will use language that might be offensive , but we intend to keep it real , and if that's not for you , we totally understand , but please do what's best for your listening ears .
Oh , we're about to keep it real , son . Our goal of this podcast is to share the inside realities of the American prison and criminal justice system , from precharges all the way to post-release , from the voices of those who've experienced it firsthand , including me .
That's right , we're going to get into it .
Hey everybody , this is Remy Jones , your host of Lockdown the Legacy , back with another episode . First and foremost , I kind of got to apologize to you guys for dropping the ball . I know Debbie had mentioned last episode that I was going to have this episode with Jay Love , aka Love Bosky . Great dude , very talented .
Check out any of his music on Apple Music , spotify , anywhere you can look it up . It's L-U-V space Bosky , b-a-s-k-i Good friend of mine , man . But while I was recording the episode , I don't know what happened , but somehow it stopped recording in the middle of it . So I lost a lot of content . A lot of really good content .
A lot of really authentic , passionate conversation was lost . So I really apologize and I'm really frustrated and beat myself up about that , but I'm still going to publish what I was able to salvage .
It was still a lot of good conversation and hopefully me and Ham could set up another time where we can record some more , because I really enjoyed talking with him . I actually got him on this recording while he was at work .
So I really , really appreciate Jay Love for that man Shout out to the brother and that's like dedication right there for somebody to accept the call and do the interview while they're at work .
So , without further ado , I'm going to go ahead and plug you guys into the conversation where he gives a little insight into what it's like to be pursuing a music career when he came home and the hurdles that he had .
So , all right , be sure to go to Facebook , like the episode art , leave any comments that you guys got there or , of course , you guys can email them to us .
But more than anything , man , I really want you guys to go out there and support these guys that we're interviewing and help them along their way , because they are really good examples of the hardworking dedication that people are putting into change , a whole new energy when they come home , and the positivity and they are shining examples for the people that are
coming out behind them and they are representing us well . All right , so later . So won't you go ahead , man , introduce yourself for me ?
Okay , dan , what's going on ? It's love Boski . You know I'm an inspiring artist , songwriter , engineer , producer , overall creative individual . You know , taking my dreams , I was formerly incarcerated . I started 11 years for a robbery and during that time , you know , I realized that not just myself but we all , as human beings , we got the potential to create .
We can create the reality that we desire . So that's my goal , man , I got a vision for a team and the team is same , old and it's an acronym , it's SAMO . Seeking Out the More Opportunities . And that's what it's all about Seeking Out the More Opportunities of Growth , to build , you know , to educate , to lighten , overall , to be better individuals , you know .
So you said you did 11 ? I didn't know you did that much bro .
Yeah , I did 11 years , man . When I met you I was like probably like just over half way through on sentence .
Yeah , I was in like the last stretch of my 10 . Oh yeah . So you said when did you get out ?
We were at 23rd 2021, . I went to the halfway house .
What's up , man ? I don't like what you was doing , man . I've seen you release a few albums and stuff , so you definitely be getting my listens on Apple Music .
Yeah , I appreciate it A little . Fun fact too . I promote Apple Music the way I do because they want to just streaming platforms and play that pay the most Like for the stream on Apple Music we get about a penny per stream . Sound crazy , but that's just the way they got it set up .
That's what's up . I'm gonna start posting it , plugging it everywhere I can man . Yeah , I appreciate it . Man you doing any shows or anything .
Yeah , when I first came , I was doing a lot of shows . They had these like the local showcases , you know where artists could perform . But I noticed quick , though , that it's really just a bunch of artists that pay to perform at a venue .
So you basically just perform in front of other artists , you know what I'm saying we ain't really capturing our fans , really Just , you know , just regular type listeners . But for the most part as of lately though , most of the performances that I do I'm a school organization for a Hilton Broken Circles Matter of fact . You should connect with them , man .
They down in Columbus too , but you know they look out and they had passed the travel and come perform Most of the shows you down in Columbus and stuff . So you know they basically they pretty much focus on prison reform and stuff like that and trying to change the narrative for the ex-offenders .
But yeah , I ain't really other than you know performing with Hilton Broken Circles . I ain't really been doing so many shows Because , like I said , it is like you know they got these scams and stuff like that man for these artists .
Like it's like we're hard for independent artists and stuff to try and come up do it on a young yeah , man , it's a good one .
Hey , real quick though , man . I kind of wanted to go back to like you was talking about when we was locked up in GCI man .
Yeah .
So like first when did you start like writing music ?
I think the earliest memory like the first time I actually write a song it was like about nine years ago , so when I was already my first song going to the studio I was 14 . You know , we was teenagers here , go to the studio , make our little mix tanks , rapping on industry beats , other people's beats . We were out in the city , sell whatever city .
We could do little showcases , stuff like that . I was already had a passion for music . So when I got incarcerated I really just , you know , just locked in on that on top of programming . So I've been doing music all my life . It's crazy to say I've been doing music now for about 25 years , hey .
I remember , you know one of the memories me and you locked up man . I was coming out to the gym and you was on your way out to the Hope Center . That little music room yeah , I ain't even going to call it a music room because I don't want to get nobody mislead , nobody . It was more like a music closet . Yeah , really good it was .
I think it was like me , you and Jerz that was in there . man , I was like you know , come on down to the music room . Man , we bought that . You know we bought to go rap . I'm like cool , like I get on the track . I remember getting in there like man , this is a closet bro Right . Oh man . But you know what , though ?
Like the whole reason why I wanted to do this . So I'm doing like a summer showcase , right ? So the podcast is called Lockdown of Legacy and I just wanted to showcase the legacy part and what God's is doing after they come home .
Because when I thought of this and actually it was my wife that pissed it to me when she thought of it you was like one of the first dudes I thought of .
Man , just based off of that one memory right there going out to the Hope Center , and then seeing that you came home and was like releasing albums and stuff , promoting your stuff online , I was like yo , we need to like . It's a whole bunch of dudes .
I know that I could help plug in what they doing and help promote it , but like you was one of the first ones I had reached out to like . Yo , like are you interested ? Because I mean , I got put me in a game too that's downloaded on my phone .
Oh yeah , that's hard , so real , I had to find it or I would have to re-upload it with the quality terrible . But you know , put me in the game two , the sequel , obviously to put me in the game one . And I released put me in the game one on my 21st birthday , april 2020 . It was in 2010, .
You know what I'm saying and it's crazy because I was working on prior to getting locked up .
I was working on putting me in the game two and the date that I was supposed to release it ended up being a date that I got locked up , Like I ain't had a tape done or nothing , but I ended up getting locked up on a date that I originally had set for put me in the game two to come up .
So basically , like the way I put me in the game two is set up and you will see once I actually get you . You know I'm not sure you get put me in the game one so you can hear it , but it was kind of like you can see the growth . It's like the continuation of the story . You know what I'm saying , cause put me in the game the first one .
I was basically just talking about where I was at in my life . You know like I was . I had lost the job . You know what I'm saying . I'm messing with a weed , trying to sell weed , to pay my bills , pay my rent and stuff like that , and still trying to rap .
I still had a foot in the streets , but I really my desire wasn't , I didn't really want to be into that type of stuff for real . You know what I'm saying . Like I wanted to live better , I wanted to live different and ultimately I wanted to make it in music . But you know , decisions led me to prison .
So 11 years later I was able to do put me in the game two . I'm actually , I actually want to do put me in the game three . You know what I'm saying . But we could build on that later . But I haven't been rushing that because , like I feel like quality wise , lyrically , I got to make put me in the game through my best effort .
I don't want to slack off , even if even if I don't blow up from it . You know what I'm saying . Like a lot of most of the time now I make music . I just make music based off of how I'm feeling , like I don't really go into it , like , oh , this could be the hit record that changed my life and I'm going to be rich .
And you know , like I don't even do that . Like I said , I've been doing music for 25 years . I do it because I love it and I'm addicted to it , I'm obsessed with it . I just love creating music , I mean that's what's up , man .
Keep that , keep that same energy .
There's a lot of my favorite artists . Man , I'm not myself man constantly , especially when I'm dumping thousands of dollars into music equipment and stuff like that , but you know .
No , I'm saying like some of my favorite artists , man . I regretted that all my favorite artists , like my favorite albums of theirs , was the ones when they were just starting off , man , because those was the most authentic . They ain't had that industry influence yet , you know .
Yeah , they were still hungry .
I mean thinking like all the doers that started from the bottom , especially like where we come from , like thinking like Janice , his first album man . You felt every song . It hit .
Yeah , that's a classic .
You know . But then you know , once they get in the industry and stuff , of course things change . You know they ain't life ain't hard , no more . They ain't got that pain to inspire them for real Right . So yeah , I ain't even mad . I respected that . You're going to take your time with that man . Just let me know when it's coming to fruition .
You got anything else in the works ?
Yeah , I'm always working on some , always . I got blessed through one of my bros . I got introduced to this young producer named Malakaw Malakaw he is this kid , crazy man , he's 19 , from the one in Ohio and he's raw , he's nice on the beat and he hungry too .
Like he want to get a placement A placement being , you know , a song that's released that gives some notoriety . You feel me Like , but I've been locked in with him and I got a few different projects with him that I had on release shit , and I really did that because I want to make sure that it get all the attention it deserved .
I want to make sure it get some of the attention it deserved . The back go into marketing . We all know marketing costs , you know . So that's just a reality . We were like speaking earlier , like this independent ground , but I'm always working on stuff . I work on it Like besides my own . We usually don't work with other artists too .
¶ Navigating Music and Supervision After Release
So when you first got out , you went to the halfway house . Man , Was it like what you do on music while you was in the halfway house ?
Yeah , it's funny I can talk about it now , but I had saved up while I was in prison and my dude , sean McGee , he is a singer as well . He's from San D'Azquiel , I met him in graphic , but basically I had found out like if you know somebody with a business , like an official business got a LSE , all that .
Then you could basically get it put on paper that you work for that company as long as you turn in 25% of your earnings , 25% of your gross earnings . So basically you put it on paper that I was a songwriter for his record label and I was able to move around . I was basically paying myself to be able to go out .
I was able to go out every day from 10 AM to 11 PM . So I was using that time to move around , go to the studio and all that record music , shoot music videos and all that type of stuff . Yeah , I was definitely doing music in the halfway house .
Like I came home thinking that it was going to be like a two-part situation , like I just come home with all this ambition and ground real hard and it ain't going to take too long before everything popped off . Things popped off and they didn't pop off in the way that I thought it was going to pop off . I was definitely doing music in the halfway house .
Now I was just wondering if you had any . Well , obviously you had to jump through some hoops or kind of finesse it , but I was going to ask if being on Supervision or anything like that kind of held you back from pursuing your passion for music .
I'm still on Supervision . I still got another year . I bought a year and a half . I ain't having a butt . Luckily I'm a low . They class me as a low risk .
So as of now , I just called my parole officer every three months , but I ain't really teaching me any trips out of state for real , because we know the tech that we supposed to notify them , we supposed to get permission and stuff . You can move around if you ain't getting in trouble or nothing like that . You definitely want to take the caution .
Yeah , I had that . Ain't slow me up .
I kind of had that Every time Go ahead .
Yeah , every time I forget I'm on parole . Still , I'll be forgetting .
That's a good point . Until I remind it .
And then it's like you know that feeling of being like , damn , I ain't all the way free yet . You know what I'm saying , but ain't slow me down though .
Yeah , I had the best of both worlds kind of man , like you know . I came , I got my CDL when we was still in Grafton , so I came home and started riding in the truck not too long , probably a few months after I got out .
But like , yeah , I was a low too , I was a low security risk and so , like they made me get like permission , like a waiver or whatever whenever I wanted to go to work .
So I had to get a waiver like every 30 or 45 days because I drove out of state and I was like man , like y'all really making me come get permission to go to work , being on a robbery case too , like y'all don't want to see money get funny man , like I'm doing everything .
I got into work . But , it does that . That'd be the thing . Some of it like , a lot of this stuff with the system would be backwards .
It's like all right , like you can obviously tell the ones that quote , unquote rehabilitated , I ain't into nothing , I ain't trying to commit no crimes , I'm gonna work , you ain't they gotta call me or I call them and do everything to do . Yeah , you ain't heard about nothing , right ? It's like , let me let you go , man , let me live my life man .
Hey , my PO was like super cool , like he knew I was doing everything right , man , but he would like try to work with me . He'd be like man , you know , like I was supposed to get the permission slip every 30 days . He was like man , I'm gonna give it to you every 45 . Like I ain't supposed to do what I am .
And then he was like like I wanted to go to Florida . He was like , yeah , go ahead , don't worry about it . Hey but , whenever he wasn't in the office , though , and I had to talk to somebody else , man , they was on my end .
How did you go to Florida ? You ?
weren't supposed to go to Florida . We gotta report this . I'm like whoa time out . You ain't even my PO . Like calm down , Right , yeah . And then I had to tell him straight up like bro , y'all in my way , man , Like I'm in your way , Y'all got real like messed up people that don't need to be supervising . I'm just trying to go to work .
Yeah , I had got into my case manager in the highway house for a similar situation . Like she just make every non-DNC , just make it hard for me , like for no reason in my eyes . But I really had to tell her like I'm like man before we got into it . Like it was a couple times I go to her office to ask for something . She got to ask me my name .
So when we actually got into it I had to let her know I'm like you don't even know my name .
You know why you ?
don't know my name , because I'm not a problematic man . I'm not even ever here for real . I'm only here to shower and go to sleep and prepare to go out the next day to go to work . Like why I'm like , why is you trying to change my schedule ? I'll turn my money in on time , like I'm supposed to . I'm not getting no violations , none of that .
I'm one of your best clients . I'm making your job easy , like so why is you trying to aggravate me ? Though ? It don't make no sense . After that , she remember my name and we got out of her , but she , you know , and she knew , like she felt it in her heart , like she ended up saying it .
Like I know you being slick , like she thought I was ripping around and trying to see girls or something like that , but whatever , but I'm like man , that ain't even the case . Like I'm trying to go to the studio . You know where I work , you know where I'm gonna be at .
Like I don't understand what the problem is , but yeah , like I just say all that to say like they definitely be on trash . You're already done there .
So tell me again , cause you know I told you like the the record has stopped for a minute . So tell me again about put me in a game two and put me in a game one .
All right , yeah , put me in a game . Two was a sequel to a mixtape I released in April 2010 . And it's basically just like the continuation of my journey . You know what I'm saying . Like , first put me in a game . I dropped it on my 21st birthday and I'll bet you was just a talking about where I was out of my life at that time .
You know what I'm saying . I was having one foot in the streets , the other foot I was trying to go on a direction of really pursuing my passion music and trying to have a real career in it . You know , just being a better person . But it was still things that I needed to work on and I probably weren't really .
I weren't really a serious and as dedicated you know what I'm saying I still thought I could be slick here and there , you know , to do what I felt that I had to do . But so , fast forward , 11 years later , I come home . I had already released a mixtape I talked to Emotive , basically like something that like engages your emotions .
My music prior to prison my music was kind of violent . It was introspective and melodic , but it was still kind of violent and stuff . I switched that up coming home , like I don't promote violence , I don't promote selling drugs , I don't promote none of that stuff for my music . So after Emotive already knew that I wanted to drop , put me in the games too .
And I wanted to drop it on the anniversary . They'll put me in the game , one which is on my birthday , april 16th . So working on the project , I missed that day long , so I ended up releasing it in May , but like as of now a lot of people consider that like , since I came home on my best project . They say it sound like an album .
You know what I'm saying , which is one of my goals , like always on my music , to have a sound and feel . So where a person that wasn't hip to my music wants to hear , I want them to feel like damn why I want hip to this dude .
You definitely got good quality , man , because I was just listening to Put Me In the Game 2 , while I was on the treadmill a couple of hours ago , man , and like the depth , the layering , the ad-libs , the beats , everything it's all good , it's all fire bro .
Yeah , I appreciate it . That's another thing too , like I make beats , but I haven't been making beats since I came home , like I ain't really sat down and made a beat since I was in gravity . It's when I got rolled out . You know , I got caught with the phone , got rolled out since the last year .
They locked my keyboard up because we want to allow them to have them type of instruments on the compound . So that was 2018 , so I ain't made the beats since then . But luckily they got YouTube and all these different ways where you could connect with producers and these beats and buying them for the low .
I said I just met Nalaka recently and other producers , but I ain't made none of them beats on there and put me in a game too .
But yeah , that's my goal , man to make it to where , like when people hear it , I'm gonna feel like if it's meant for them , I'm gonna feel like it's like man , I wish I always knew about this artist and I want to know more about him when I was just telling my story on there too . That's it , and like I ain't .
I'm at my best when I'm just talking about what I'm going through or what I'm trying to do , what I want to accomplish , but there that's what's up .
I mean , like you said , bro , like when I used to rap and stuff , when I was younger , that's all I used to talk about was violence , drugs , girls , money . I mean you grow up , man , you changed , don't get me wrong . Like , if that was your life , then I mean , hey , talking about your life ain't that wrong with it .
I mean , if you talking about it and it ain't your life , then that's something wrong . But like , so now you talking about where you in life now and they don't got nothing in it and that's good .
Yeah , because , like , when we really think about it for real , the percentage of like people that live in the underworld or in the streets , the traffic , the percentage of people that's enter that stuff . You know , in regards to society or the world population as a whole , it's small . You know what I'm saying , like , but it seemed like it's so big .
It seemed like this is what it , this is all it is for people that come from them environments , but it's not . Luckily , we got the opportunity to go to prison and sit down and we was forced to borrow and all our stuff . You know what I'm saying . So like this , ain't it ? So like I ain't .
And then there's all the pain and destruction that the street like bring is like . I just ain't really got it in my heart to promote that . No more , I ain't . I don't have it in my heart , like .
That's good man . Yeah , like it's . So it ain't done like worse . It ain't done like worse .
I feel it . I still listen to certain music , but you know , just for the feeling or whatever cause , like if I was to be working out hard , I might listen to if I don't really like a lot of his music . But ain't nothing against him , but like NBA young bro , you know what I'm saying .
He got one or two songs I liked that I might listen to , that I could turn up and help me bust out a bunch of burpees and something like that . But for the most part I ain't I can't get with it , though I can't really get with it .
And then he done been in interviews talking about how he wanna change his music and put out a more positive message and stuff like that . Whether he just trolling when he said it or not , who knows what I mean . We capitalize . We live in a society where capitalizing on a death and destruction of black people is you know the end .
That's like the goal to end or be . Or you feel me why I got a rapper about killing another black man or destroying my community to be successful . Like why , I mean that's how it's been set up . But like why is that ? Why , if I'm a great artist , why I can't rap about what I'm doing right now , pickin' orders in a warehouse .
He filled me in and then , getting off work and going and sitting in the studio , I got one of the songs . I put me in the game too . I said basically I was talking about how I been in the studio cooking up lines . Your favorite rappers keep making up lies and all this type of stuff .
Like I mean , at the end of the day it's just entertainment , but for some reason music is like more powerful than like a movie or something . So we're like I was just telling my coworkers I'm like we don't expect Denzel he was in training that we don't expect Denzel to really be that person in real life .
But if it's a rapper , lil Durk really gotta be livin' his lyrics . Like why is that , when it's all supposed to be ? You know , it should just be entertainment . He filled me
¶ Search for Authenticity and Growth in Hip Hop
like .
I respect the entertainment aspect , man , but it's one thing that I hate , though , man , is that when , like when , dudes like Safari into their career be still rappin' about being in the trap and bussin' off shots like quit playin' , bro , yeah , like quit playin' . You ain't sold nothin' in 10 years . Why is you still rappin' about that ?
Yeah , why you still rappin' about it ? You been rich . For 10 , 15 years you been his famous rapper . Why is you still talkin' about stuff that you may or may not be in a whole another decade , like why , why , you gotta be this ? It's like hip hop ain't allowed to grow .
We , 50 years in man , in every sense , they may dance to rap , just stand it and all that Like hip hop ain't allowed to grow .
Yeah , I don't like that . That's why I say I like it , man , when I get that authenticity and not just , you know , to shoot them up man man selling drugs , girls , money , whatever . But like I wanna hear about the grind .
The grind we're using the warehouse , picking orders and getting off and going to the studio because it's a bunch of people everybody on sale , though , everybody on Rob , everybody on you know got 10 girlfriends and throwing money in the club . Like some people is really working their job and pursuing their dreams afterwards , you know .
Yeah , majority of people is .
And that's what I like looking for man . When I hear songs like that on the album , I'm like , oh yeah , let me look at his whole catalog . Cause this far like cause it's the thing that helped me , cause the thing I relate to it .
And , for real , even the dudes that's selling dope man , I know a bunch of dudes that's sold dope that don't wanna sell dope Right .
And if they could get the job , they go work the job and then go to the studio afterwards , you tell me . Yeah , I've been on a flip side of that . Everybody that's hustling , everybody that's in the streets , I ain't getting no money for it . You know what I'm saying . Like it's a few , it's a few people in that world .
That's really like having money , you know what I'm saying . The rest is like scrambling . You know , like they might have a , they might have a trophy , a jewelry , the cars , the clothes , but most of them don't own anything .
We see that when we in prison yeah , man , I was doing my time , you know I was having , I was having emotion Looking at the pictures , but then when you come home , you starting all over .
Yeah , they took everything , man , with the police , with the police ain't got your family , got girl done , ran off with your stash , now she messing with your best friend or your brody , you feel me .
And now you back out there scrambling again , leaving yourself live with a baby right back in the same position or worse , Like I don't know man , you ain't got nothing to show for it .
You done blew it all . You didn't tricked it all . Your girl done ran off with it . Your homies been robbed you when he was going to court and was in the county , Like everything . You ain't got no money , man .
Man being in the squares . Where is that ? Like real , real life being in the squares . Where is that ? Like , if you ain't got entrepreneurial but having a job is , where is that ? Because you know having that discipline , that steady check . If you got a plan , you know how to say , you know how to use your funds . Have discipline , you can find your dream .
I done , did it . I'm doing it now . You know what I'm saying . Like I knew I was gonna have to get a job and maintain that job . I knew it because I wasn't about to go back . Try to go back to the streets . Where's my freedom and everything ? And then that's just . You know , let's just be real . Like I was gone for a long time . Things changed .
Like it's different out here . The culture is different , the mind state , but the average person is different . Like that's in that life . So I've been trying to play catch up and with happy feet and all that , and tripped and fell on my face and I'm locked my back up . I gave them people 11 years of my life . Anything else is insanity .
You know what I'm saying . I ain't about to do that again . I'm cool . It's better on this way .
You know , since I came home I be finding myself being proud of like the most little stuff . Like when I first did my taxes the first year I got out , well , I ain't know what the hell I was doing . I ain't never filed taxes before in my life , and so when I filed taxes I was like kind of happy inside .
Like .
I ain't even know I had to keep W2s or nothing . I was just like how you do what I got to do ? I was gonna throw stuff away . There's like no , no , you got to keep that . I'm like whatever . But just like seeing like my W2 come in and filing taxes and stuff , it kind of made me realize like I've been working hard , I've been doing it right .
It wasn't hard going to write and I'm home , I'm out , I'm not at prison .
And then , like I ain't gonna lie , I was kind of mad I seen that money they took from me for the taxes , but at the same time I just thought of it . Like you know , that's the price to pay for freedom .
Yeah , freedom man , I'm free , I'm free .
Cause it costs a whole lot more to be locked up . Man , I don't want to see on paper how much it costs me to do that whole 10 years Like I don't even want to know , but what it cost me to be home , to be free , to have a family , you know , to go to work and everything Like I pay that .
Yeah , man .
And I , just I was thinking about it .
I was thinking about how , like you know , with commissary , people put money on our books and stuff like that . Like in there , if I got a hundred on my books , I'll be like , okay , I could do this , this and this . You know , use my state pay to grab my little hygiene . I can stretch it out .
You know , I could possibly make this stretch of money have man out here , that hundred ain't nothing at all Be really like I have a hundred dollars a day , depending on what I'm doing . I'll be not spending a hundred dollars before noon just in getting gas and stopping in two or three stores on the way to where I'm supposed to go .
You know I was like , but it's . And now , in that moment though , when I was thinking about that , I'm like man . It's easy to get caught up in , you know , in emotions .
You know , going , just going through life and forget about when I was incarcerated and somebody sacrificed a hundred dollars and put it on my books , appreciate it , about what it was and how much I , you know , try to stretch that . And now it's a 70 dollars to fill up my trip . You know what I'm saying .
It's like I got to constantly remind myself , you know , over and over again and where I came from , cause I don't want to forget it , like I don't ever want to be one of them dudes that ended up forgetting and then end up in the back , right back in the same position . You're like , I'm haunted by that stuff .
I definitely don't want to forget .
¶ Advice for Pursuing Talents After Prison
I respect it . I respect it in a sense . It's like or if you know , you go over one of your homeboys house and they got a big old dog that's mean and aggressive but that's well-trained . The dog know , the dog know that . You know that dog acknowledge you , but the dog got his area . He going to leave you alone as long as you don't get out of line .
You get out of line either to an argument with his owner or something like that , the dog line would attack you . So it's like , you know , on that , it's like y'all both got a mutual respect for each other . So it's like , yeah , I respect in a sense I respect and acknowledge that lifestyle and that stuff that come with it .
But that respect also , but my me and my experience with it , and I ain't trying to get bit like that again , I'm cool . I didn't got big , they like I said , I gave them all I had .
So I got one more question and I'm gonna let you go , but I'm gonna link up with you again soon , man , yeah we could do this Whenever you want my last question or is Do you got any advice for people coming home that's probably looking to pursue they talents and passions and stuff after prison ?
Man . I think Hopefully I could say right , I think some of the best advice I could give . Or someone told my wonder he was coming home . He had it 11 years too , and you know he had plans and Asperations to pursue the music and do this and do that and do this .
And I told him I'm like bro , I'm like that's great , that's lovely , I'm like you need that . You know .
I'm saying put as many images as you can in your vision , map out every angle that you possibly can while you still in there , because when you get out here and you get in real time , you get on the plan , feel real , you live with a recognize that the defense Might have been a little more prepared than you thought they was and they under they already
impeached your formation and they prepared for it . So you got to be able to call audible . You got to be able to switch up the play in real time . You know you got to be able to recover from the fun boo . You might lose a couple games . You might have some lose or seasons .
You got to recognize what pieces you got that you need to eliminate with pieces you need to add to your team . All that you know . I'm saying you got to try to stay focused as much as you can and just keep chasing the dream . The ultimate dream is to get that right and whatever your , your rank could be , whatever your goal is , you could do .
It is out here .
I'm gonna piggyback that man , piggyback that right there , because that was the main thing that I had to Teach myself before I came home . Key words before I came home and then I also shared it with other people was like you can't come home and live the years you lost and work to a show go .
So all the people that be like , oh man , as soon as I get home , I'm about to get right back in the mix because I missed out on all this tough Like you , you can't worry about that , that's already gone .
They're all gone but you know , I had , I had a huge amount of focus , man , and Like every day , it was like , alright , this is what I'm working towards , that's what I'm working towards . It wasn't like , oh , who did I miss ? What did I miss ? You know none of that . Like I was , you know , I was super focused on where I was going .
And so that's my advice , man you can't live the years you already lost and get to the go .
Yeah , having that tunnel vision , that Burning desire and that discipline line , that's gone . And I ain't saying it's on a two , you know , to the horn or anything like that , but we was gone two years .
We was gone 11 years and we look at it for what it really is we doing better than a lot of people , but that's because , like I said , we had the opportunity to sit down To plan and then we develop that hunger and that passion over all the time . We can't all .
We just executed , man , and it ain't sweet , it ain't easy , but it ain't meant to be easy , it'll never be easy . You can get him . We could get in the flow . You can get in the habit of doing things and search stuff on becomes second nature and all that . But no , anytime we trying to elevate , you gonna be met with resistance .
That's law , that's how it is . And . But I Just try to remind myself like , yeah , of course I'm not where I want to be exactly , but as long as I keep grinding , I'm exactly where I need to be .
Man , that's , that's the boss right there . I'm gonna do it on that one oh . Yeah so we gonna wrap it up , man . I appreciate you for sharing your story , man , and sharing it , all the things you got going on , man , cuz I'm rooting for you , bro , thank you .
I'm just I'm just looking to Highlight as many people as I can , man , whether I was locked up with him or not , man , people that that was in there and they came home and got to it .
You know , cuz it's a whole lot going on , whether it's people in the corner where there's people in the system , whether it's just being in the system and getting it ingrained in your head . That isn't . You can't do it , man . It's so much working against you .
Yeah people .
People would never even start chasing a dream because they think they can't . So , uh , I just wanted to highlight all these people I know that's actually doing it as much examples of People that's actually making progress as I can .
Oh yeah .
All right , bro , man , I'm calling it in . I'm gonna hit you up soon , all right .
All right , bro , appreciate it yeah .
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