¶ Discussion of Homestuck Act 5 Characters
Hi and welcome back to Live Laugh Stuck . My name is Jackie aka Jax , my pronouns are they , them , and I am here once again with Moosey .
Yay , hi , hi , my pronouns are also they them .
Yes , and I don't know why that was such an ecstatic yes .
Yes , your pronouns are also they them .
I guess it's partially because the episode with your cousin just recently came out and that was also another they them . I don't know , it was just a they them podcast .
Non-binary culture is reading Homestuck .
I mean , yeah , it really is So much so that it turned it transed the creator . But we are here for the very exciting to some people , act 5 , act 1 . And I say to some people because I'm gathering from your very subtle hints in the notes you sent me that you weren't a huge fan .
Yeah , every time like I would read through it while sitting in voice chat with friends and then I just it would be good , i would be so slow at reading the Pester logs and stuff and they'll be like how's it going ? And you're like you know , i'm like I fucking hate this . This is my homework that I'm doing .
Yeah , so it was like the long Pester logs you didn't like , or the whole overall vibe or like . what did you not like about this Act ?
Honestly , it was just probably the Pester logs and having to read all of the different lead speak that one really slowed me down . And two was just like and mean to my brain , like my brain did not want to take in the information or spend time decoding these texts .
Yeah , i did see in your notes you were wondering if there's a mod that got rid of it , and I'm pretty sure there is .
Okay , that would help my old person brain or my . ADHD brain or something .
Yeah , it's either a mod or it's already a setting . that's in there , but yes .
So maybe with five to all turn that on . Like I feel like you had mentioned before that you recognize trolls based on their typing quirks , but at this point I'm just like maybe I can learn that later and just focus on what's being said right now and not Yeah , no , that's fair .
It can be hard to parse . There is a lot of reading . Usually people just get invested in one or more of the characters and that's what keeps them interested . But you not a not a fan of any of the characters .
Nobody has really been appealing to me this far , like some people are just more annoying than others . But yeah , i didn't really like feel any sort of feelings for anybody as I was reading .
That's incredible . I mean to be fair about the annoying thing they are based off of , like internet trolls , stereotype , terrible internet people , So so I mean that is kind of the point . I'm sorry , This is so fun for me .
I mean like I don't even know why I'm so ecstatic about your just complete dislike of this act , which is where you usually be like no , no , no , skip acts one through four . Just go straight to to act five .
I'm still probably like John Egbert's , the best . He's just so doofy .
He is pretty doofy .
As far as astrological science go , i'm an Aries , so I guess I like the dead robot lady the most .
Yeah , the dead frog robot lady . now , i mean , a radio is a pretty good , pretty good one to choose . So I'm actually going to make you go through all of them and tell me your thoughts . And Aries is the first one , anyway , if you go by astrological and blood cast order .
So I have them in a different order , so you'll have to tell me which order to go in .
What order do you have them in ?
I have like a summary printout that shows red team and then blue team And it also lists out like their name , their role , their planet name , their online name , their loses , the way they troll the kids .
That's very good . Let's go with your your order , then , so I don't have to have it mentally in my head and you have it listed out .
There's Carcat , which I guess I also like a bit more because he's angry but also seems very stupid .
Yeah , angry and very stupid . Yeah , that that tracks .
Yeah , some of them I didn't really get a good feeling for , like the blind girl kept licking stuff and that was weird and gross , like kind of adverse to tongues .
Oh , that's going to be very hard with Terezi for sure .
I don't even remember very much about Gamze , except just that he's a juggalo or something .
I'm a Capricorn , so imagine imagine me seeing it So like I've said this before , like on Twitter and some other places , but like I got so excited when I saw the Capricorn symbol pop up and it was purple , because I love purple , yeah . And then imagine my disappointment , i'm sorry to Gamze stands out there .
I , i love you all and I don't dislike Gamze as much as I used to . I , in fact , love the characters more and more each time I read this , but the first time I read it , no , i did not want this juggalo clown troll . Man is my troll .
Yeah , tavros seemed fine , i don't . I also didn't get a whole lot of a personality out of him . Yeah , it was funny when he got kissed . I like the animations . Yeah , i like the animations in the in Homestuck , you know , those are still pretty good .
Yeah .
I feel like Friske definitely had a lot of stuff in this act , and so now I know that the meme I had been hearing about her of risk it did nothing wrong was incorrect .
Yeah , that's why it's the meme . It does everything wrong and nothing wrong and everything right and nothing right Literally made to be a controversial character .
So I mean , yeah , she seems to just be made to be bad And maybe there were some things that were trying to make her look a little bit more empathizable or something , but I , yeah , there wasn't a whole lot , i don't think . Also , i don't understand troll relationships , but we can get to that later .
OK .
I guess that's how it's pronounced . I didn't really get much of a personality from her either . I mean , I know she talked between some of them , but I just don't remember much about her . I know she's been trolling through the first part of the story .
She I mean she had that unrequited crush on on Friske because she got all sad when she realized she made the dress for Friske and Friske wanted to use it to seduce someone else .
I remember that part . I didn't realize that Friske had premeditated the wearing address to try to seduce someone to Traverus Equious I why is he perspire all of the time ? He's just a sweaty man . He seems pretty unlikable . Usually I like like the techie people or like people who can build robots or whatever , but doesn't seem like a very friendly person .
Yeah , he's hard to like on a first read through .
Iradia , I guess , also kind of stood out because she had a lot more story stuff . But I also don't know a whole lot about her or her personality , besides just being dead .
To be fair , that's kind of her personality in this act Nepeta definitely reminds me of some people I've known on the internet .
Yeah , she's okay , but kind of where in that place where she can get annoying if she's too being way too cutesy or whatever about it . Yeah , ariden apparently likes genocide , so I don't like him . Fair enough , faferi . I couldn't fucking tolerate reading her fucking pester logs .
So I barely .
I just skimmed through those between her and Ariden .
That's fair .
Because , yeah , i just can't stand reading those parentheses for H's Solix seemed okay , but also not a lot of personality , and then he died . I just noticed he has two different color shoes .
Yeah , oh , yeah , yeah .
Yeah . So I mean , i guess the people who stood out the most for me were like Carcat , tavros , varyska , iradia and yeah , i guess maybe Equius a little or something , and I know like Solix was in there a lot , but I don't know .
That's fair And just extremely . I feel like he would have been . I feel like you have this soul of someone who started reading this right after , problemslooth And , just like you were like you have the soul of one of the old school fans who were like wait , what's with all these trolls ? What's this about shipping ? I don't care about any of this .
Let's go back to the coding puns . Yeah .
Where are these guys getting in the way of the nerdy shit ?
Extremely funny . I love that for you . I mean , i hate that for you because it does mean that I just don't know how you're going to feel about the rest of it . Like this was a lot of . Like this was a big exposition act because you know it was explaining everything that happened to the trolls before they started talking to the humans .
Yeah .
And they obviously , between the 12 of them , had a lot of a backstory to go through .
Yeah , and another thing with this whole sub act I guess was I thinking about it so far reading Homestuck we've been waiting for the kids to get into the game and then they're all kind of like in the game and getting ready And then we start Act 5 1 and now we're still not in the game . Now we have to introduce 12 more people before we see anything .
And I'm just sitting here like 2000 pages in like are we actually going to see anything in the game besides just little bits ? here and there ? Is there going to be an adventure ? they go on . Are we just going to be sitting around talking about shit for forever ? Yep .
Yeah , because Jade still isn't in the game .
Damn .
Yeah , oh yeah , i'm really excited to see what you think about Act 5 , act 2 . I think it's going to be more of what you want , but yeah , i'm not sure . So you said that you also didn't understand the troll relationship stuff .
Yeah , And there are like two different parts of the story that had really long explanations for them And I did print out the quadrant and I tried to write stuff down but then I just didn't read the hussy explanation of it . I just couldn't .
To be fair , the second explanation is just a copy and paste of the first one , just all in one page , instead of on like four or five different pages .
Okay , yeah , i'm just like .
Which then in the author notes he copies and pastes it side again .
Okay , yes , is hating hussy part of the experience .
Oh , absolutely Yes , For different reasons . People will hate hussy for conflicting reasons . Yes , hating hussy is an essential part of Homestuck . Okay , i feel .
I feel like he kind of does on purpose to point because , like he does actively make fun of the fans in the comic in various ways , yeah , and he makes one of the fans in the author commentary , so it just keeps on giving . I'm really sad , actually . I keep talking about author commentary .
The last book that's out deals with act five , act two , and nothing since no word . There's been no official cancel , cancellation . But also , like we're just kind of like okay , we're not getting anything from act six .
So yeah , where was the last book published , Like how long ago ?
It was , was it Yeah ? March 10th 2020 . So like almost exactly three years .
And it's been three years since 2020 . Yeah Right , geez , yep , yep , yep . Well , i don't know , i guess you could blame it on COVID .
Can you though I think there's plenty more that was going on in 2019 , 2020 to blame it on , because that's also around the time that it was announced that Hussey left ? what pumpkin , so like that was . Another thing is like oh so are we not getting anything more ? But I mean also that's what I mean like it's been a whole lot .
Other people have probably recorded the whole descent of Viz doing bullshit and just like , because , like Viz used to like really promote homestuck stuff . Because I was .
I looked it up a bit today And whenever they first announced that they acquired homestuck in whatever rights it's all weird Geo has a post that explains it more They had like like Viz had like a like on their booth , they had like homestuck banners at like conventions and stuff , like they really promoted it as a thing , and now it's just just nothing , just
nothing . Yeah . So I don't know . We're kind of hopeful because this one , this one cafe in California right , california Requiem Cafe , i think it's called is hosting a homestuck event for 413 and has like new official merch . So people are excited about that and hope that means something's happening , but I don't think it does . So that's where I'm at .
So , speaking of 413 . So John and them start playing the game on his birthday and then the trolls start playing on Carcats wriggling day . Is that relevant or is that a coincidence ?
So it's kind of in the way that , like numbers are relevant . 612 is Carcat day , so June 12th , so 612 will pop up over and over . In reference to the trolls , okay , i think it's said at this point somewhere that their session lasts for 612 hours . It's just one of those . 413 pops up everywhere , 612 pops up . Well , they do live .
Okay , i was wondering if it was related to like , i don't know , the game triggers on a birthday or blah , blah , blah .
It's . it's more like solidifying car cat , as the John parallel for the trolls , uh-huh .
Okay .
Yeah , i mean there might be more meta about it or I could be missing something , but it's more just putting the parallels there . Uh-huh , i'm stuck at something , if not repeating the same thing , but a little bit different all about patterns , yeah , patterns and references , and in jokes .
So my question for you is when did you start enjoying home stuck ?
¶ Analyzing Homestuck's Pacing and Story Execution
I think it was act five . Well , you know , probably like the ending animation for act four was was really big And I think that just tugged on a big emotional thing more than like anything else had at that point , and that got me hooked . And then I I loved all the stuff . Well , i'm trying to remember .
I think at some point I was frustrated at wanting to go back to the humans and figuring out what's going on with them , and Especially towards the beginning of act five , act one , i had a hard time getting into it because I'm like , okay , well , i have to start over with all these people , but as we got in deeper and again , you know , make her pay another ,
like basically end of act animation , and in fact animations really get me , i guess is what I'm saying . Yeah , all the Learning , the trolls and the discourse between the trolls Got me . But you know , again it's hard whenever you do focus on trolls that I cared less about than others .
I don't know , like at this point where we're about halfway through , i think , act five , act two , i can't remember if act six is the like , the entire second act , half of home stuck like lengthwise or Maybe about now is about half of home stuck lengthwise , but um , yeah , cuz the last page it says is 8000 .
Well , is this the rapture and credits ? that's act seven or something . Yeah 8,130 and we just got to 2625 .
God , there are so many pages .
It also would have helped if I had , if I had a map in a way of like how many , how much words are on each page ? It would have helped me to realize that the last handful of pages in Act five one are just like mostly pictures and not having to like yeah , yeah , being like okay , i , it's not gonna be another a hundred pages of pester logs three .
Yeah , that that is hard Because , yeah , sometimes the pester logs are Just you have to keep scrolling and scrolling and scrolling . It's so long and sometimes , yeah , it's , it's 20 pages .
Of this hasn't happened yet , But there's a point later on where it's just like two characters looking at each other And then they just like one panel is one , the other , and then the next page is the panel of the other , and then it's back to the first and just back and forth , like zooming in for like several in a row .
Yeah that's why page numbers are just so hard to like go by , especially , and then if you include that there's more mini games coming up right . Okay , yeah so , and some of them are kind of lengthy .
I'm gonna make a note to see if anyone has logged out how , how many , how much text is on each page . I mean , cuz that can be done by a computer as well for the most part . Yeah , to count that .
I feel like I remember act 5 , act 2 being a lot more action , but I could be forgetting more of those memos . Yeah , I mean there's definitely more of the memos . Those were all so hard to follow . Yeah , i think you're , i think , really getting that that mod that gets rid of Trill quirks , the typing quirks , is gonna help .
Yeah , cuz like I can read books I I read books . I've read lots of pages of text . It's just that when it's Lots of pages of text and then everyone has different lead speak , and then your brain has to do that a bunch of extra work of decoding everything . Yeah which you know .
If you're reading it fresh and you only got a few pages at a time or whatever , then that would have been More doable , i think . Then , just being like okay . I have 600 pages to read . Here we go .
Yeah , it doesn't help that you were . We're sick off and on in parts of it , so it's not like yes , also the brain fog the brain fog . Brain fog is real . I was . I was just telling you that I What I recorded a a t-terapy g episode Last night . I have no idea if it's gonna be out by the time this episode is out . I no idea .
Anyway , I created that character when I was in a sick brain fog , So I started the the game up yesterday being like okay , What's my character ? Yeah , who is this ?
I Guess my last note about this like the story from a meta perspective versus you know I have notes asking for clarification on stuff that actually happened But like something I've been asking myself with this and with Final Fantasy 14 because I just finished Endwalker , Which is the last expansion for now was like can a story really be as good as people say that
it is if it's not paced Well ? like , if the execution is bad , can the story still be considered good ?
Yeah , even . Even Hesse mentioned in the commentary that people had problems with the pacing of of this act .
Yeah , with Final Fantasy 14 , like everyone's , like this is the best Final Fantasy story ever and I'm just like the first 3 , 4ths of each expansion suck and then the last part is good .
Yeah , i know part of the constraints here are like with Final Fantasy It's an MMO , so you have to give content to play And , with home stuck , it was a web comic , so it wasn't like you know a book where you write at the whole book and then you send it to an editor to make it better .
God forbid , anyone tried to tell Hesse to . I can't imagine an editor trying to deal with Hesse . To be quite honest , yeah , the guy just talks like that Because we have access to like some emails that they've sent between people of like very serious things and they just That's just how Hesse talks . Hmm , i don't know if an editor would help .
It's what I'm saying .
Yeah .
It's like how , like some books , like the book series , get popular and like the first couple of books are like , edited pretty well , but then they get too popular And so the author gets to reject things more And so the editing gets a lot worse . Hustle would be like that from the start .
And like I am keeping in mind that , yeah , this is a web comic and this you know , you're kind of getting a different experience reading it now versus when it was brand new . Like there are still things I appreciate about the web comic , but I'm also just like OK , here's my homework . I got to read Homestuck .
Yeah , i think it would be funny . I feel like I said this on the last episode too . I'm going to say it again because I can't remember , but I think it'd be funny to just like on 413 , like do that Dracula daily thing and just like release however many pages of Homestuck came out on 413 .
And then on every day , like release those pages and just like you . So you get the experience as if you were first reading it . And then there's one point in Act 6 that we went months and months without getting an update , and so it's like you would just get months and months and just not have a Homestuck update , and then you get it .
So I have questions about the story , just to like clarify stuff as well .
God , especially if you just skimmed through , like what Fafiri was saying , like yeah .
I did read through the summary from the raffaename page , probably 100 pages from the end , maybe ish is where I stopped and just read the summary And then I continued reading . Ok , so there is a space demon and the space demon has followers . The space demon gets summoned when the universe is destroyed because of a tilde death program virus .
The demon is called Lord English And then our is the demon that stops them from opening the door . Also the same demon .
So that is supposed to be vague . And I also want to point out that there are unreliable narrators in Homestuck , people who think that they're saying true things but also have their own limited knowledge . Ok , at this point it's supposed to be a theory crafting thing .
OK , so from what I gathered , something that the kids did And I forgot what , if it was mentioned at all something that the kids did caused the scratch question .
Again you're not supposed to understand this at this point .
OK , but basically that's why the trolls are trolling the kids is because they somehow got on the way of them being able to open that door by summoning the demon thingy .
Yeah , this is going to be act by that too . Is where you're going to explain all this .
OK , what am I supposed to know what a scratch is ?
yet Absolutely not . Ok . I'll give you a hint It's being used incorrectly , So you're not supposed to know what it is . And even if you did , it's wrong .
Yeah , they just have the gif of the flashing blob behind the timeline log and just like , I guess that's the scratch , I don't . And then the scrub or scrub was found in the ruins and then adapted , I think by Solix or something . I don't remember exactly where the game comes from for the kids themselves .
It was just a game that was released and was , like , talked about in a game magazine , so , like you , don't know any farther than that except that it was being . I don't think so . I think it's just like it was just a normal game being released .
So I mean , clearly we don't know yet , but I'm just wondering if , like , it was made by the demon or demon followers or something like that . I'm just still very interested in like , what the fuck is scrub and sperm and how did they come to be and how are they related to the real world in the story . Let's see .
I already asked why a coquias perspires so much .
Like , yeah , a queues is just a sweaty , sweaty man .
And then also like already has a bot , jade has a bot . Is there a relationship between the box or just does Hussie only know how to draw robots in one way ?
Nah , hussie just knows how to draw robots in
¶ Homestuck Themes and Reading Strategies
one way . I think it's just like a lot of the author commentary talks about the parallels between various kids and the trolls , and Jade just has a lot of parallels with the radio and Canaya and Nipeta . I think we're like the three main characters that that had paid parallels .
OK , so if we take 12 divided by four , each kid has three trolls that relate into it .
I don't know if that's actually like an on purpose thing , i remember . I only remember Dave being mentioned in relation to Aridon and Solux , and then John with Carcat . Of course , yeah , but yeah , i don't know if it's as clear cut as that .
I wouldn't put it past him . Yeah , yeah , so that's kind of . I'm just perhaps like I'm less interested in the troll characters and I'm more interested in the world itself and that whole , how that's put together . And then the till death programming language doesn't make sense .
Yeah , yeah , it was more just a nice pun . Yes , I suppose it was more just a pun . Is that ? is that better ? take away the word nice .
Sure , it was Period Yeah .
So act five . Act two does deal more with the world building , for sure , but you know every time that Homestuck answers one question , it asks five more . So I don't know how satisfying it's going to be for you , necessarily , oh my God .
Looking at the raw thing , name page . So act five one is 636 pages with 62,000 words and text . Five two is the number of words and text . Two thousand words and text . Five two is one thousand four hundred and eighty one pages with one hundred and fifty thousand words and text . Jesus Christ , i'm really going to have to pace myself .
Yeah , pace yourself and install that fucking a Mod or feature , whichever it is .
Yeah , and part of me is wondering if if I should kind of like because the synopsis seems to be on this page anyway , also in the same order as the comic , it doesn't seem to like jump ahead , much Like maybe I should read part of the synopsis before reading the comic , to be like this is what I'm actually seeing , because I don't comprehend what I'm seeing .
When I'm reading the comic I'm like I don't , and I read the summary after I'm like oh , that's what's happened .
That's up to you . I don't know . you know just on your basis , on how much you you want a peer experience or a career at spoilers I will say I don't know how many of the the words might be technically optional , but there is a mini game where you run around and can talk to characters and you don't have to talk to all of the characters .
Yeah Well the words of media for five one is one thousand , but the words in media is twenty four thousand .
Oh , that's right , That would be media rather than text . I was hoping there'd be something there , And that also . I mean not that it would necessarily account for that big of a gap , but the recap is also . there are two recaps in in this .
OK , how lovely of Hussie for them to recap things for us periodically .
Yeah , I just might be the last one . I don't remember that continuing in act six .
And then they also lists end of act five , which is twenty nine texts , two and nine words in a recap . Maybe it's a recap , i don't know . Yeah , there's a lot .
That is funny . It's just so many fewer pages , but like just so many words .
It's almost like double the pages from five one , but like maybe three times the amount of text . it feels like , well , not quite , but yeah , i'll have to just do some division and figure out like when we're going to record next and just try to read every day .
Yeah , I mean we can , we can take it slower . I've been splitting up the episodes to where it's like you know , because we release an episode every two weeks but I've had like a fan stuck episode , So it's been like one of our episodes really releases like once a month just to give us more space , especially with my move , kind of messing stuff up for me .
Yeah .
I'm really just like sitting here trying to figure out if you're going to feel more satisfied on explanations at the end of act 5 , act 2 , or if it's going to be .
If I can install that mod and if I can paste myself and not try to read like 200 pages in one sitting At a time , it might go a lot better for me .
I just tend to not read it more casually because I have to like get out my notebook and then get out my my stickers of all the troll heads so I can keep track of who is who when I'm writing my notes , and then get out my troll reference sheet and all of that . So it's not like I just sit here and read it for funsies .
It's like a it's homework , like writing notes and stuff . But if I were reading it without taking notes I feel like I just completely lost .
That's fair There's . there's a lot to keep track of .
But I just have the feeling like it's a more satisfying read the second time around .
Yeah , especially since , like you know , there's foreshadowing , both intentional and unintentional , and has his part that you , you start putting together or you just start like just just things click into place a lot easier .
And Yeah , like this time , like I said , i didn't even read the entirety , like I started when I started reading act five , act one , this time , i started reading literally every word and then I'm just like no , i'm just skimming and I'm going to read the author commentary . And then I've talked about it a lot on on on Twitter .
I've been posting on verification my thoughts , which is mostly there's just a bunch of risk a meta that doesn't even make sense , that that we just can't even get into yet because , like , there's so much for risk is arc that I mean you just haven't seen , so it's hard to get into . Risk a meta .
They're just characters that Hussie like , likes and doesn't like and he tries to play it off in the author commentary that , no , they don't like hate characters and things aren't happening to this character because they hate this character . Blah , blah , blah . Like no , but you do , you do express disdain for certain characters actively . I don't know , i don't know .
Author commentary is a blessing in a curse . Yeah , oh , there's so many doomsday devices and act five , act one that I just forgot about . Like there's the code that our cat runs that soul looks . Gave , gave him .
Yeah , virus that universe .
There is the doomsday device that risk created , like started to create for Eridan .
And then I don't know if it said in text , but an author commentary apparently aqueous actually did most of the work on the doomsday device , which led me to say like , okay , so risk wanted to take credit for a radio bot despite having not actually worked on it , and is taking credit for making this doomsday device for Eridan that she actually didn't do most of
the work on and just repeatedly likes to take credit for things that she didn't actually do . So is risk the Thomas Edison slash , elon Musk of the troll world , food for thought , but for doomsday devices . There's also , whenever Terezzes lesses egg hatches , that drops a big old skull on a doomsday device . Oh yeah , and then there's the What is it called ?
the ultimate glove , or whatever .
Yeah the the something glove .
I should know it because it's a word that gets used the vast glove , the vast glove the vast glove that destroys all of troll kind .
What ? why does the leucis do that ?
I know it was dying , but So I forget if it's clear in the thing , because again I read most of the author commentary . But that's actually a horror terror that got put on the planet .
Was that related to that book that Rose had a horror terror ?
Yeah , so the book was originally just supposed to be a joke see , joke like haha , look it's . it's like HP , lovecraft , but it's not and then they just ended up turning into a real thing . But yeah , just lots of doomsday devices . I do like how there are tragic events and Homestuck that are just portrayed humorously . I don't know .
it's very funny , like Tresi's losses , like being born and immediately dying , is captioned with unsurprising development and then Tresi reacting to it is with genuine distress to show like , yes , this is tragic , tresi is upset about this , but it's also fucking funny .
And then , like a brisket , getting her eye and arm blown off is fucking funny because she's like how am I going to die ? And the ball is like I'm going to blow up in your face and then it blows up in her face . It's very funny And I just like that .
But then she didn't die .
Yeah , she didn't die . Oh yeah , one of the characters that Hussie unapologetically loves and like roots for all the time is equious , which is extremely funny to me .
The sweaty one .
The sweaty one Also . this will become more apparent as we continue to read Homestuck , But Hussie pointed out a line that that they saw online . someone else described these two characters but to resise chaotic , lawful and Frisca is evil good .
Huh , like evil lawful or just chaotic good .
Like that's the thing , is they just like don't subscribe to like the typical like thing . So it's so Tresi , chaotic , lawful , frisca , evil , good , okay .
I see .
¶ Shipping and Quadrants in Homestuck
I do . I do want to pet a shipping chart . I wish we had the whole thing , yeah , her whole shipping wall . I think that would be fun , especially because she has like little notes on it and stuff . Why does she have a shipping wall ? She's just one of the people who , who , who ships her friends .
Yeah , i read somewhere that you shouldn't be shipping real people , but I guess these aren't real people .
See , yeah , i also think that , like I don't think you should make you shipping other people their problem , i think it's only natural that you secretly ship other people . Yeah , i think you see two people and just go .
And definitely I have two friends . I'm like you guys . You guys have chemistry , but you're not admitting it .
I think that's fine , as long as you don't make it their problem , which you know . Nipeta just has her wall in her own cave , far away from everyone else and just updates it weird . Yeah , i mean she is supposed to be the weird furry shipper , right .
Yeah , I as far as like the troll romances . How much is that going to come into play ?
like the quadrants , yeah , or just the shipping in general .
Oh , I mean like the quadrant types and what each type means .
No , i mean it's more there as a running gag , that like you'll have the humans like John there who will just not understand it , like they're still going to be references to it , but like I don't think , hussie , like I don't think Homestuck ever operates on you being forced to understand their quadrants .
Okay .
Like people get into arguments about which quadrants people actually fit in and how to interpret those and stuff like that , but that's more for , like , phantom meta than it is in in the comic . You need to understand this for sure . Yeah , i don't think that it's super required .
Like I think that the two main ones that is , like sometimes you like people in a way that you like , like them , like them , and sometimes you like people in a way that you hate them , like them , are them . And then sometimes you like people in a way that's really just seems like best friends and me saying that will get me massacred online .
And then the fourth way no one fucking knows .
Yeah .
People will tell you that they know how it works and some people might . But yeah , no , it's not a . I don't know like it comes up the different flavors of the relationship , but like it's usually met with , i don't know if this is actually how it's supposed to work . It seems really weird and bad . Maybe , i don't know .
Yeah , i don't think you not understanding how it works is going to enter you at all .
Because that wall of text . I was like I see , why are you doing this to me ?
because because has he hates you and everyone else who has ever read Homestuck , or everyone's to also . So one fun thing from the commentary is so Ayriden is a query is right , and so query is is one of those . So like sometime in I believe it's like the medieval period , someone decided to add elements to the zodiac right .
It did not originally back and , like the ancient Greece times , did not have elements ascribed to them as far as I'm aware . But sometime they decided to add it and so that meant that you had some clear , clear water signs that they did not make water because they couldn't have a couple water back to back . So Aquarius ended up being an air sign and has .
He was very mad about that , but that's why Ayriden seahorse dad flies In . Why some other aquatic like lusci fly is because Aquarius is an air sign .
And that's just very funny to me . He hasn't been underwater very much .
Yeah , I think that's what it said . If not , I'm going to say that's what it said .
Yeah , it was something like she feathery or something said like for someone who hates the land dwellers , you spend a lot of time up there , or something like that .
Yeah , no , no , he for sure mainly stays above water . It's just , it's just so dumb . I say this also as a Capricorn , who is a literal like fish goat . I got a fish tail and I'm an earth sign .
Well , clearly the people assigning elements just did not foresee the home stuck .
Yeah , i mean really , they just , they just I don't know I'd have to research it to really figure out what they were thinking , but it really just feels like they didn't want like all the water signs back to back , like next to each other , so they had to split it up , like you know earth , air , water , fire And it just didn't work out for the actual
symbolism that was there .
Yeah , sometimes you just got to have the water signs back to back .
Yeah , Which is really to say if you're into the occult neopaganism , whatever , just throw it all away and do whatever you want with it . People back then didn't know what they were saying . You can say , you can have the say now . They're just as dumb as you are .
Indeed Psy tangent to my non existent occultist podcast .
Okay , yeah , i think that's all the relevant stuff . Just a lot of it was me copying and pasting Briska Metta , because Briska Briska just she's a complicated character , but there are just fans out there who refuse to see her , or any character , as a complicated character And it's very frustrating . I mean , you've heard the Briska though did nothing wrong meme .
A lot of people say that like tongue in cheek . Some people say that and they mean it . So in other media , are you a big like chipper person ?
Usually I'm pretty oblivious . I don't necessarily know if there's undercurrents of feelings there until it's not in the subtext .
Yeah , Do you . And you don't do any like personal shipping , even if there's no like intentional chemistry , you don't do any pairings yourself . No shipping wall .
I was trying to think of , like what media I've even watched recently to do that , And like I watched through shadow of bone recently . But I'm just like I like the relationships that are already here . Fair enough , Yeah . I can't think of .
let's see , oh , i guess again in Final Fantasy 14 , i want Sid and Nero to be boyfriends , but that's like really the only thing I can think of .
That's fair . You know it's not everyone's big thing . Big thing in Homestuck is we have so many characters , so many characters . This isn't even all the main characters yet .
Oh , good Yeah .
In case you were worried . You're like I don't think there's enough characters introduced yet . Now , fear not , there are more main characters to be introduced .
Need to start that spreadsheet of main character information .
Yeah , and it kind of depends on how you define main character . I personally say there are six more main characters to be introduced And it leads to a lot of shipping . Yeah , so overall not a huge fan of Act 5 . Act 1 , big old exposition background lore dump Well , not really lore character , lore , i guess dump .
Yeah , part of it's also . just I tend to read like again 200 pages at a time And then I'm like I spend like half an hour on one Pester log page . I'm just angry .
Yeah , that's , that's fair . Hopefully there will be more world building lore next time . That will be nice . I'm also trying to think , because some of the media in text , not in text , some of the text in the media might be hard to read . Okay , i think that's actually fine . I think it'll be fine .
Yeah , i can't remember if it might also just have a summary beneath it of what it says . I can't remember exactly . We'll see .
We'll burn that bridge when we get there .
Yeah , absolutely , and yeah , and you can hit me up in between if you need some explanation of something , or we could just wait till here and I can explain to you that Equius is just a sweaty man and there's no .
I mean , why does it keep getting brought up ? What is the relevance ?
Equius just meant to be this very creepy , gross seeming guy in being in like him , sweating with his glasses or something . Yeah , he just breaks things . But it technically might have narrative symbol , the symbolism later , which would be which I don't know author commentary stuff for stuff . That's just entirely not relevant right now .
But I think it's just meant like he's a strong boy and accidentally breaks things And , you know , maybe his sweaty has to do with how he's has this like he's mutantly strong even for his cast . But now it's just supposed to be like he's getting hot and bothered in conversations and that is shown as him being sweaty and needing a towel .
Gross .
Yeah , yeah , but I'm sure all the musk lovers out there are real into it .
¶ Tavros's Wheelchair Theory and Fandom Influence
Oh , sorry , side note that I just remembered . So I had read earlier that the reason Tavros is in a wheelchair is because people theorized he was in a wheelchair from his first .
You know the first like look that you got at him back in act four whenever you just got like one snapshot of like the trolls that were doing the trolling is for some reason his snapshot looked like he was in a wheelchair , even though he wasn't at the time .
In Hussey's mind He was not in a wheelchair , he was just supposed to be sitting at a computer desk . But but the but part of the fandom just decided he was in a wheelchair and has he's like , yeah , sure , so it's really not briscus fault . Yeah , you guys forced Riska to throw Tavros off a cliff . Look what you did . It's .
It's really funny whenever fandom stuff comes in , because I didn't know that that bit of war , uh huh , but yeah , any , any closing thoughts before we wrap up Somebody once told me the world is going to roll me .
No , I had an accident . No , I can't think of anything .
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