Ep 5: Linda Tellington Jones - TTouch

You can find details of all our programs and shows on Rupert isaacson.com. welcome back to Live Free, ride Free, where we talk to people who live self-actualized lives and find out how they got there, what they do, what keeps them going, and what their insights are for how the rest of us can, live this way as well. I'm a firm believer that this is the birthright of everybody on the planet. and so the more mentorship all of us get, the better.

so without further ado, I'm going to, introduce today's guest. And today's guest is probably, if you were to look up in the dictionary, self-actualized, there'd be a picture of this person or their ought to be anyway, cuz I can't really think of anyone I know, even though I know so many have met, so many privileged to meet so many people living self-actualized lives. but Linda Tellington Jones is as self-actualized as it gets, and you don't have to be a horse person, even though.

She is a horse person to know about her. There's many people who know about Tillington Touch, through dogs. There are people who know about Tillington, touch through horses, people who know about Linda Tillington Jones through, healing Techniques. people who just know about her because she's a jolly, jolly interesting, human being alive on planet Earth today. and I've been, grateful and honored to know Linda for well over a decade, and even to work together on occasion.

and I've always been, fascinated by the egolessness. that's a, a tough act to follow, Linda, where you're gonna come on in a minute when I say your ego listeners, but I have met a lot of, well-known people and it's not easy to keep the ego out of the way. We're only human. and I've always been, a bit intrigued about how you manage that. So we're gonna, I'm gonna be asking you about that.

And then also, if any of you are ever lucky enough to actually be in the same room as an entertaining Jones, here is my tip. Ask her to put her hands on you. Tea touch is not just an idea. It's, it's a real thing. And, I remember the first time, Linda put her hands on me. the reaction was, As powerful as with any shaman in the Kalahari I've ever been with or anything like that. There's something flowing through Linda Tillington Jones.

but it also flows through in a way that she can impart this knowledge to other people and has been doing this for about 30 years or more, 40 probably. And so anyway, I've blabbered enough. I'm just begging you up, Linda, because you are big. How come one not big you up. So here we are, Linda. Thank you so much for coming on the show.

We are living miracles. And it's so interesting because I, I'd like to tell you my story and maybe it will be inspiring to some of your listeners who realize paying attention to the what comes to us outta the blue, so to speak, intuitively from. The, as I see it today, the quantum field there for everyone. So you want to know how I started on this path? First of all, it's I keep this little box for a reminder of what started me on this path that I'm on right now.

And this, I'm gonna take this outta here and show it to you. I've kept it over all these years and I, for my 30th birthday, I'm now eight coming up to 86. I'm 85, it's here. And I saw an advertisement in the San Francisco Chronicle that said for $5 you can get, one of the first astrological charts done on a computer and. It was my understanding that that particular computer was in Stanford research in, in Stanford basement, university basement.

I don't know if that's true, but that's the story that I've been telling myself all these years. So I sent my $5 and I got this little book and it says, your portrait in the stars, an astrological psychoanalysis of you. And it's all this beautiful little book coming. I say Beautiful, carefully done. Like with a ribbon tied hole punch. Remember how we did these mimeograph things? I mean, it's so interesting. And this is 98 pages. And what I got from those pages has, has directed my life.

It's that in your lifetime you will f you will develop a form of communication that will spread around the world. Huh, interesting. And in order to do so, you must learn to trust your intuition. Huh. It's interesting that I. Read that. That's only two sentences in that, all of those pages. But that's what I take away with me and that's what I've carried with me over all these years. And so of course my question is, first of all, what communication?

I was thinking it was just the year it, within the time when we were starting to get videos and I thought maybe it's a way of getting my workout through video. And then I thought, okay, intuition. And my first husband went to West Ellington, bless his soul because I wouldn't be here without him. he was really into science and spirituality and we had a big library and I just went to the library and reached up and picked out a book, not, I didn't know what it was.

I pulled it out and it happened to be a Rosa Crucian book. And I opened it and I looked up the definition of intuition and it was unlearned knowledge. Today, Rupert, I know thanks to quantum science, that unlearn knowledge is available without the library to all of us. We just have to listen and it's all here. Every thought that was ever thought is here in the quantum field, and we just have to listen and trust. So what has led me and you, I want you to interrupt me at any time because,

It's the story of my school written by Shannon Weel, who was a student in 1967 for a year. And she and I have stayed in touch all these years. She's an amazing human being today in her own Rio.

And then as, rather than make people wrong and saying, you're doing it wrong, we showed what we wanted instead of making them wrong. Because some people came from saddle feet riding. You know, they came from the jumping world. They came from dressage, they came from, in those days for many different styles. And in the country, like western riding was different on the East Coast or Texas. And rather than say, you're not, this is not the way we want you to ride. We, we gave them this choice.

This is a way of you, all you have to do is change your saddle and the length of stir up and you can go into these different seats that you want and understand what seat it is that you're actually wanting to do for this purpose. Because of course, we also did a hundred mile endurance riding. So you have a different seat for a jumper dressage. And that's what we taught. It was a, thanks to my husband Wentworth. Tellington. It was a logical way of riding.

But because there are all these separate disciplines of riding that are really quite radically different, there are radically different ways of sitting the horse. And each one of them is, is correct in its own discipline, but many people do not cross disciplines.

So my question is, were you guys coming up with a sort of a, a neutral on the gear stick saying, okay, you've got all these different gears you can ride in, but you need to come back to n on the, on the gear stick or so, so that you can be versatile and branch out into all these things? Or will you stick something different?

What we wanted to do was teach respect, respect for the horse, and respect for yourself and respect for other people. So riding was not done from the p I mean, teaching was not done from the point of view of making someone wrong. It was, how can we make them right? How can we acknowledge that they're doing the best they can? And how can we, with logic, show them how to come to these places of balance and understand what they're doing?

But for those who did want to go on and teach, I have in the back of this book are some of our successful teachers. And, it's really lovely to hear from some of 'em who went on and ran very big writing programs. And,

Okay. And then in, we had dinner, dressed for dinner, and then after dinner there was a study period and every Friday there was a two hour test on everything to do with horses. And we still have those tests and they're really interesting to look at them today. I couldn't pass it today. I have forgotten so much stuff. Oh my God. So it's really, it was, it was an incredible school.

Ah, so I, one of the first pictures that I have with me is, with me, with a baby bear lying on my aunts lap. And I'm standing there with my fingers in the, in the, on the ear of the bear. And it's so interesting, there's a German, a German saying in German says, so began the master because Eti touch is one of the big things that we do to gain trust. And, and so here I am with my f my little tiny fingers. I was 11 months old standing there with my fingers on the baby bear's ear.

And my, my, my, my father had rescued that bear because the mother had been shot and the bear was left alone. So we raised it and then, I mean, they raised it, but rescued it and then released it. So that was my first introduction to that. So then we moved to, to ed, back to, my, my father working with my. Let's see, with his father James Hood and on his wheat and pig farm, because it was during the war and there was a big war effort, you know, f to raise food for the war effort.

And so at six years old, the school that I would go to would a with a one room schoolhouse and, you know, six rows. And, I was a long walk for a six year old. So I, with my cousins, rode our horses to school. So my dad took me to a riding stable. I remember this part, and the guy brought out a horse and I got on the horses back and that nobody told me what to do. And the horse immediately took me back into the barn at the walk, fortunately.

And so my dad bought this horse named Trixie, and we have some really, some very nice looking mayor. And, I rode at a school, and you're going to get a giggle out of this. One day I was late and my cousins didn't wait for me. They were like a eighth of a mile up the road on the way to school. So, I headed out and when I got to the gate, my horse wouldn't go because she was, had to go alone. And I gave her a whack with the reins and she immediately turned and dumped me on the ground.

I say that I'm shorter than my sister Robin, because I landed on my head. So anyway, I led her home. I remember what I remember is marching home, putting her in the stable, walking to the house, getting a clothes pin from my mother's clothes basket, walking to the barn and clipping the clothes pin on her ears to show her that she couldn't do that to me. Isn't that funniest thing? So we say that's the first ear t touch

And I asked my dad if I could take lessons because I'd never had a left name. No one had ever showed me what to do with horses. I've been riding every day for three years. So, he said, yes, if you can get a job. So the next Saturday, he dropped me off at the gate and I marched in and I asked Mrs. Metall, you know, I said who I was, and I asked if I could trade lessons for, working. I thought I would be cleaning stalls or equipment or something. And so she asked me about, you know, did I ride?

And I told her, and then she put me, she had really, really good horses and some lovely ponies for kids. And besides, so she put me on a pony. And then on a horse, and she saw that I could ride and I never cleaned a stall. I was one of those kids that just got to ride. So I would go home, like I'd ride to school, I'd ride home, and then I'd ride in the other direction to, to the stable every day, rain or shine or snow.

And then I would ride two or three horses and every Tuesday, Mrs. Meall would have us in for dinner, the students who were really active. And we would have lessons on, you know, bits and, and ailments and illnesses and feeding. She had an amazing feeding program with so many huge bins of herbs. And it was a really incredible background that I had from this woman. She was well known and, and she had many good show horses and many clients with show horses. So you've got a question, so,

That one used to put together one zone 14 that was there when I was a small boy, but that had basically gone by the time my adolescence hit and everything was mass produced at that point. Tell me about the herbs and tell me about, cuz I know this is gonna, this, this must have, informed to some degree your, later career in holistic healing. So te tell me about the, her use of herbs and what did you pick up from this?

Because as soon as, first of all at our research farm, Wentworth was, and we have these wonderful pictures because we had a newsletter that went out to 20 countries of the, from the research farm, and he was drying, th kelp a certain form of sea kelp drying it and then free feeding it to our horses. And then he also developed a form of what he called vitamins and mineral mix that he brewed from all kinds of stuff. It was amazing and we sold that all over.

And the seek kelp was, when you look at now, seek kelp is a really great product that's out there, but we, yeah. Not fashionable. Yeah. We were the first, we being my husband, Wentworth was the first to bring that up at our research

You're a long way from this international career that you've had for the last, you know, 45 or more years. How does that evolve? How do you drift self and into this cosmopolitan world?

This is for the horse industry in it's international, global. That's the first thing that's a big deal. And Linda's always that. But the second thing is she says, oh yes, I, I just hop on up on people's horses and, bridal us and so on. I will attest to this. I was, I dunno if you remember this, Linda. We were, me and Liliana were helping you at one of your, workshops in Texas a few years ago.

And if you, I dunno if you remember, a really, really strong, northern came in, which is a, a, a weather front where the winds gust up to, you know, 60 miles an hour or more, and the temperature goes down, you know, 30, 40 degrees in half an hour. It's a Texas winter phenomenon. And it goes from sort of subtropical to subar really fast and it tends to send horses absolutely nuts. And there was this, very, very, very flighty, Egyptian Arab mayor who was there, not human but horse.

And for those in the horse world, they know that's a, you know, at, at, at best, it can be a somewhat dangerous horse to get on. This horse was going a little bit nuts. The owner couldn't really control it and we thought, oh, well, I'm sure Linda would probably just take that one out to go back to the box. No, Linda aged. Probably at that point, 78 or so, just gets on, just gets on in this highway in with this horse who's clearly losing it and the horse ceases to lose it.

And I remember my wife IA and I look at each other going, oh, that's a horse woman. Okay. So that's, that's, it's not something that's, for those of you who are not horsey, that's not something people do. Not if you wanna stay outta hospital. So, okay, we rewind. I just need to, so you're saying, okay, people often remark on the fact that it's remarkable that you get up on these horses without a bridal. Yes, it is true. Go on.

And of course that many in jumping and all that. So, it was my job because I was a kid who was there every day riding like two or three horses after school. In no arenas, you all, I mean, you had to be, you know, I've been described as tough as a boiled owl, and I think that comes from riding in the dark in the snow.

We had a few lights out there, but it was not pleasant, but it was really an amazing thing riding the, all these different horses from other, from, from the Metall cl group of horses and from from clients. And so I would, they'd take a horse to a horse show and I would have 10 minutes to get on that horse and get it ready to go in the class. And I won way more than my share.

And I know why, Rupert, I didn't go into win when I got on that horse, my message to the horse and I realized today we can talk about energy because we know what energy is, and I wanna talk about that in a minute. But I would give the horse the impression, what can we do together in this time that we have that will make you, give you as much joy as I am having of being with you? That was my, that

And my mother was very important because my mother would sit on the edge of the arena, and I remember her like, almost every time I come around smile, dear smile. And she had no idea that when you smile, when you are on a horse or anytime you smile, you activate the feel good hormone.

The serotonin, the horse feels that, that's been shown through these, you know, these, these, the, this research that's been done with the mirror neurons, how we mirror this feeling and it activates that part of the brain that feels good. So the horse feels good too.

So th this inner message that you're saying to the horse, Let this be as joyful for you as I would like it to be for me. Was that a decision, was that something you'd overheard? Was that part of some system of ethics that was, talked about by a mentor or someone you looked up to? Or was that something more intuitive and innate, or was it some combo?

So she was hurt a lot of times. And one day I was riding home from a stable and an old man walked out on with a cane and a book in his hand and he said his, his, porch. Gave him a view of the, the riding arena right behind him and the round band. And he said he had seen me riding by everyday rain, snow, or shine. And he wanted me to have this book and it was a book written by an America cavalry officer on how to start young horses without bucking.

And so I took that home and my parents were boarding a 16 hand two year old thoroughbred that belonged to one of our friends. And, they allo said that I could start this horse under saddle. So I just took the book and I went through all the steps of ground driving. How old were you at this point? I was 11 or 12. And it was really easy to follow it. And she never boxed and was never afraid. And it was an easy process and that's the basis now.

I remember my grandfather in the stable and we had adapted one, one end of the barn that had been a cow stable. We made big box stalls and I remember him putting his hand on the horse's neck and saying to me, you know, whenever you connect with a horse, connect with your heart. Connect with kindness.

And so in 1905, he won the prestigious, sorry, Nicholas ii. It was a, it was a Jeweled Kane for the most winners of the season and with 87 winners. And he said he attributed because he came to, actually, this is a whole kind of call, difficult story because I never met him. It was my great uncle, his brother I met and they were in business, in horses. And I have a painting that I've now given to my niece, Mandy. I have a horse named Illa that they imported.

And this horse, was very successful and they, the Johnie did this painting. But my grandfather said that his success was because he never entered a horse in a race in this, it told him he was, it was feeling fit enough to win. And the second thing is every horse was rubbed with these short little strokes over every inch of the body for 30 minutes by the grooms. And he learned that from a Russian gypsy named Orloff.

Because in still today in Russia, it's the gypsies that handle all the horses on the racetrack. And I got to meet them when I was there as a citizen. Diplomat. Diplomat.

horses could possibly go back to the origins of riding and training horses? Because we all know that it comes out of that area where Russia, Ukraine, meets the sort of Black Sea, Caspian Sea, that step there, the origin of the modern thoroughbred, we know that comes from there. Do you think that. Something in Tea Touch could possibly go back 4,000 years to those first people learning how to, I, I have domesticate those riding horses.

But it definitely, definitely, works for allowing the horse to understand what they're gonna do under saddle before they put under saddle, which makes it safer for them and for the, the rider. okay. But so you've started this horse now, and you, you, you've. Seen this way of touching a horse, something is in you anywhere because you've been touching Bears Ears since you were little. , and, now you are basically at age 12, 13 or so, a professional in the horse world, albeit in Edmonton.

How do you end up drifting south? Okay.

And because I was known for catch riding, he asked me if I'd ride the horse and I had about 10 minutes to, you know, get on and go over one little jump and we won it. And there was a big article in the paper, which I have about that still have. But anyway, Wentworth Tellington, who became my husband, was sitting next in the grandsons next to my mother. And you can imagine she went nuts when I, you know, you know how moms are. She was early when I won.

So Wentworth managed to talk her into bringing him to the exhibitor party. And at the exhibitor party, he, you know, salaried up to me and said he'd like to buy that horse from me because the horse was for sale. And I said, you know, it's not worth the money they're asking. I'm not interested. Thank you very much. Well, he managed to get to my mother somehow. And, oh, oh God. Rupert, this is another whole long story. You love story. I should I tell you the story?

So here I am, a 15 year old sneaking out of the hotel.

I was 15, but, so my mother thought she would get me outta town for the summer and get me away from this guy. And, so went, invited me to work the horses. He was an engineer and he was going out for the summer with a magnetometer looking for oil anomalies that he sold to big oil companies. Okay. And so this is the cowboy? No, this is Wentworth my

So it's just all is part of, you know, being able to get on horses and manage not to get in a fight with them. Mm-hmm. And one of the things I wanna say to you, Rupert, that the reason, like, I don't get on a horse if I'm afraid. Yeah. What makes it possible for me to connect to them is taking them in hand even for a few minutes and getting them to just to walk. Through the labyrinth because it gives them boundaries. And we make a, a connection there. And I described this today.

It's not, Hey, I'm gonna take a hold of you better listen to me. It's not at all, it's really this heart to heart connection because people say to me like, I work with many different zoo animal exotic animals in zoos, right? And people say, how do you know? How can you work with all these different species? Because I ask the person who knows them about them, and I connect with them at a cell to cell level.

We're going to get that to the cell, to cell in a little while, what that're about to do with all of us? Because at this level of the cells we're all the same and interesting.

Cause I wanna tell you how I got to this, where I am today, because it's really interesting following, it's following like a trail of breadcrumbs that I listened for and followed.

Yeah. And so we, what we've discovered with this one and a quarter basic tea touch, which I'll tell you in a bit how I came to that because the story is really interesting. The, the, the, the breadcrumb trail, as I say, see it. so this, this, I I I, I'm gonna take it in, in its own order actually. So, okay. I wanna, I wanna stay on this track where you are right now.

Okay. And for a year and a half I was without horses. It's the only year and a half. Yikes. And so, then after a year and a half, he decided that he wanted to give something back to the world for all that he had through his wonderful education at, these Andover. So, he applied to us a private prep school in, in, rolling Hills, California Chadwick School. It was a residential private prep school. And I thought I would be going there and be going to university.

But the second day that we were on the property, cuz it's a place where we had to live. Mrs. Metall, the head of the school called, Mrs. Chadwick called me in and sat me down and said that I was going to be the senior girl's dorm mother and, that I would teach eighth grade social studies. Okay. This is what a, in those days a private school could do. So I got the book that they were, I was going to be teaching and I read through the book and I started teaching social studies.

Okay. And, how old are you at

And we, I also had Wentworth's, son Jay was there helping me and interestingly enough, Roland and his family were there helping Okay. Went to develop a program. So, so, so after I ran the school, maybe, I don't know, a few months, you see, I also had in training like many horses from Countess, Margaret, Bethany. That's the story in this book is her story. Amazing story. And who was she? She was a Hungarian Countess who, whose, grandfather was Marcus Dailey.

And he owned this huge Bitterroot ranch in, in, in Montana. Okay. And which, she inherited. And, she was a wonderful horse woman and she had seen our articles because we had articles in Western Horseman called Let's Go. And we had them at monthly columns and so she would be reading our columns and then called us and asked if she could come to visit. And she brought a couple of her horses down and wanted me to work with them, which I did. And I wound up having usually 10 of her horses.

And I took them not in training for two months, but for two years, and we campaigned them. So she was

You are, you are training these, these, people who are gonna go on to be very well known in the horse business. Why not just stay with that for the rest of your life? Why go on into the healing arts. Boy that that's like You did.

And so I was asked to go and give a workshop to students about endurance writing and what it takes to, you know, go into another discipline. And so after that class, we invited the head of the Outward Bound Roy Smith and eight of the students to come for a weekend to us and learn to ride in a weekend, jumping and riding in a weekend, these athletes. And that's what we could do in our school, Rupert, because it was logical way of specifically riding and balance.

So it was easy for these athletes to do.

And my and Wentworth said I ordered pears and he got up and stomped into the kitchen and I thought, oh, oh. And he came back out and he said, well, she may quit. And I said, quietly. I wouldn't blame her. And you have to understand, Rupert, I had never in my all 16 years with him, never dared to open my mouth to oppose him because he was very violent.

And I said, I wouldn't blame her if she quit. And he punched me and knocked me down. And how much bigger than you was he? Oh, he was only five eight. But he was on the boxing team at, you know, in his prep school.

I didn't cry, I didn't feel anything. And he said, say that again. And I did. And he punched me again. And when I sit up and just looked at him, I didn't say anything, or I just stood and looked at him and he said, I think we better go. I think we better talk. And I said, yes, I think we better.

So we went for a walk and I, I told him some of the ridiculous things that he had done, which I, it's way too long a story for that about, again, punching out, our lawyer and, You know, he couldn't think, and this is a, that's the dark side of him. Mm-hmm. The bright side is I wouldn't be sitting here with you without, if I hadn't been with him those years. Right.

Because the big, one of the biggest things I learned, Rupert, that has made a huge difference to my life is if I don't know something, I say, oh. Interesting. I don't know that instead of trying to fake that, you know something if a student asks you a question. Mm-hmm. And the other thing is to share information because in the horse world, you know, all the trainers had their secrets. Right.

And that's what our indicate column was about, sharing secrets of how we managed to get along with horses in this way without, with safety, without getting hurt, with appreciation, you know, with a smile. And, for that I honor this man. So the punch Okay.

And I, I can understand how such an intelligent person is what we're telling him. He was running a school for mostly women. We had a few men, but not many. And, and certainly no one of his intellectual level to, to talk, to talk with what a terrible thing. So after three o'clock each day, he would never sign anything. He would never agree to anything after three o'clock, cuz that's when, you know, he'd start drinking these glasses of whiskey. So, big gift here for me is forgiveness.

Mm-hmm. Of myself, whatever role I played. And for, for what? That I. Take resp, you know, responsibility for that.

And when I told her, she said, oh dear, thank God finally, because she had never said anything ever about, she just, she never talked about people. She wasn't her gossip. And so, that was how that, so we, and then, so I told him then, and they said he knew at some point, you know, he being 20 years old, that, that that would happen. And, you know, so we just worked it out.

So we found a beautiful place and that's what I did. I moved over and I had a huge fancy tipped in a very fancy sale and sold all our school horses to a really good school that one of our students actually went on and knew the horses and was the teacher there. Okay. And it's in the book some of how our students went on to be successful.

And we had a, a happy disconnect at that point. And, he went off with ex-girlfriend who was working for me at the time, and I was so happy. You cannot believe it, but I couldn't tell her that. Of course. Thank you very much. This is a nice shift. okay then. So I had, I had, and how that happened, I had the school, it was really a beautiful school over in, in Los Alto Hills. We had rented a house next to us that had six bedrooms and a pool.

And so I, yeah, and I decided that I had to go around the world and find out what I was supposed to do. Okay. And, so I was invited, in, I started in Germany to visit Mar , Ursula Bruns, who is responsible for my first book. She's the one that sat me down and said, Linda, you have to start, you have to, make a method of this work. And it's thanks to her. I have my first of these 22 books now, so, Anyway, I went to visit her and she said, you have to give a presentation for e quana.

And I was planning to continue around the world to go spend some time with a student in Africa who was filming gorillas. But anyway, I didn't get there. And I stayed in Germany. And then I developed this, this whole system, and thanks to Ursula Bruns with her camera and sitting me down at the, those old standard wasn't a typewriter, it was, I forget what you call this, in between the typewriter and the computer.

And it was sensation of e quana. It was in all the magazine. And what the magazines wrote is, oh my gosh, so many people are going to be killed. You know, this is such a terrible idea. And now this last time, Rupert, you've seen in every discipline at Equa across the board, English, western dressage. Yeah. Everybody's riding with nothing on their horse's head. Absolutely. Yeah, because it's the truss.

So I wanna, I wanna get outta this long story and take you to the story of how Te Touch developed. Okay. So I'm, I'm in Germany. After Eton, I'm asked to teach a writing class, because they wanted to know how I did this stuff, right? So we sent up, , A class and the advertisement, you had to either be a, an adult writer with fear from accidents, but an experienced rider, or you had to have a horse who's fearful. And so my organizer said, you don't need a translator. Every German speaks English.

Not true, as you may have found out indeed. So I went in there and I got there and not one person spoke one word of English. So I, growing up in Canada, had had four years of French and Latin. And so I knew how to conjugate, so I just wrote down 10 words I needed for teaching. And I thought, this is great, this is really fun. So I started using those words and we had an amazing time on that weekend.

And so, the Ursula Bruns who had organized that and had already sold books with three quarters of a million readers, sh everybody knew her. She was amazing human being. And she's the one who took me under her wing and said, you have to make a method. When she saw what I was doing. And so my partner who was with me traveling with me, Roger Russell, he, I was asked to form this writing school that would be head set up by these, you know, really. Organized Germans and I would be the teacher.

And Roger wanted to have something to teach, and he, we had been doing the Felden Christ work one time, one lesson at Essel and Institute the year before. And it had made such a difference to the movement, my movement as a writer, because in the classical way of getting into writing, you write in one position depending on your discipline, right? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So this gave me the movement in my pelvis, thanks to this Feld in Christ, awareness for movement like I had never had.

And it was incredible. So Roger decided he wanted to bring that and implement it in the writing that we were doing. So he signed up for a class in San Francisco, and I took one look at the brochure because it was Dr. Moshe Feld Rice from Israel teaching at the Humanistic Psychology Institute in San Francisco. And it was to be a three year course, which turned out to be actually four years, because you felt we weren't ready.

So I took one look at it and I said, I, I know I have to do this for my students. Never crossed my mind rippert that it would make such a difference for me or for the work. And so I, it was a 12 week course, four days a week from 10 till four.

And then all year you did the studying and moving and practicing and, So the second day in the class, we're lying on the floor, and he is, he's making this statement, Dr. Moe Felden Christ made this statement that it's possible for a human to learn in one experience using these gentle, non habitual movements that activate new neural pathways to the brain, that give us more potential for learning. And I'm lying on the floor doing these movements. He's leading it through.

And I felt my, my ears prick up like a horse. And I thought, wait a minute, if this is true for a human, it's gotta be true for a horse. So I, after class that day, I called a man. I had just met who had brought a group of Arabian th br Mayors down from Montana. And I had been interested in buying one of them. And so I called him and I said, do you have any of the horses have any issue that habit, that you'd like to be changed?

And he said, well, I have this one horse that, every day to catch her, to bring her into the stable for her food. You know, for the night I had to chase her. It's not logical. So he chased her up and brought her to me. I, I came out after class and I did about 30 minutes of what I call exploring. And we had already, I wanna show you this. Two books here. We had already written this book. This is Belvin Christ. This is, no, this is just a booklet we had,

She was so quiet. This is a horse that had never been ridden. So I, I moved her head in different ways and took her ears and her legs and her tail. And then he, I went home and didn't think anymore, and he turned her loose. And he called me the next day and he said, you won't believe this. When I went to catch her, to put her back in this table, she came to the gate. And when I put her in this stall, instead of diving for the food, she stood there next to me, like, do something.

And I thought, holy mackerel. Okay, now how did I get to where I am here today? The next level of this is this book. So at the end of the first summer in San Francisco at the Humanistic Psychology Institute, Dr. Moshe Felden Christ recommended this book, it's called Man on His Nature, by Sir Charles Sherington. Sherington was a Nobel Prize winner who, who won the Nobel Prize for the, talking about futons a light in the cells.

And when I read that book, I was sitting in Marvin Pic restaurant in Stuttgart, Germany, in a February cold rainy day reading this book. And sh Dr. She, Charles Sherington, made the statement that the, that the. Every cell in the body knows its function in the body. And he told the story in such fascinating description of how if we cut ourselves talking about how the, how the cell, how the body knows which fluids to send to that for healing. And I suddenly realized, wait a minute.

If every cell in the body knows it's function in this body, then all I have to do, if I am working on a horse or a person who has a problem, all I have to do is say, cells remind this body, remind these cells of their potential for ideal function. And it's just a thought that I had. And so I, I would have that thought.

And what I found is, wow, I could, this is way before the circles, I could really make a difference in how a horse felt and how they behaved by just having this sense of giving new information in the body by these gentle movements and the next level. So I was very successful with this and we found that we could really change behavior.

And one of the stories you might appreciate, and you've gotta jump in and stop me cuz once I get on a roll with this, I just, it's so, it takes me back to those days. So, We're looking for other horses to try these theory on. Right? So another day I go out to a polo barn, belong to a polo player I knew and he had also school horses and he had one horse, , si another older mayor that he played Polo one.

But they couldn't use her in the jumping program for students because she would not step over a line in the sand. So of course she wouldn't jump a pole or step over a pole. So I'm kind of scratching my head and thinking, Hmm, interesting. So we're standing out in the arena and they're a bunch of poles lying around cuz it was a jumping arena.

And , I'm at her tail and Racher, my partner at the time is today, my good friend always, he was at her head and , I was doing something with her tail and suddenly this horse was standing there with her head up. She just dropped her head and walked forward over a pole. I thought, holy mackerel. That's interesting. So we drew some lines in the sand, first of all, just with our foot and I would work her tail and he could lower her head and she'd step over it.

Then we got her working over pole and Rupert, my God, when I think about. The re relationship of the tail and the cranial sacral fluid that we understand today. Mm-hmm. You know, and the ears with all of that. It's fascinating. Okay. So another discovery. So we started working with the different, continuing to work on different parts of the body and was very successful.

My whole next book that's still in print, the introduction to the work was 2020 horses for, four weeks that we took them horses with big, big problems like runaways or really dangerous spook, spooky horses. And so the next miracle that happened in my life, this was, I was giving a workshop at the Delaware Equine Veterinary Clinic and Matthew McKay Smith. Did you ever meet Matthew? He was,

And he wanted me to work with this horse to try it because the horse was really wild and basically unhandled and he hadn't, hadn't been able to tube her. So what I did was do some of the work we do and then I took the nostrils and I just moved the nostrils in all different directions, you know, with and around the mouth. That's how all of that really was influence. And then he could put a tube up her nose, just like that.

So it's, it's quite crucial. And some horses accept it, no problem. They just sort of stand there. Other horses. Clearly not. So this is really interesting cuz I've seen one, one of my first, exposures to your work, Linda, was, you remember when you were in Texas with us and we had our three stallions, and you were showing us how to put our, our fingers inside the mouth and massage the gums and so on.

And so that was the first time anyone had said, oh, stick your finger in the stallion's mouth. I'm like, well, if Linda's telling me to do it, it must be good. So we did. And we found indeed, our horses all became little puppies. So I that's very interesting that, I guess necessity's always the mother of invention, right? How else would one discover something like this, but in some sort of crisis where you've got to draw upon what the resources of what you've learned and see what works.

And that's interesting.

And so like two weeks after I was in San Francisco having that lecture, I was back in Germany working with a horse at someone that sent to me for a week. They wanted to know if I could work with her to make her friendlier because she didn't like to be caught. And she, she wasn't particularly friendly, so, and she was really hard to bridle. So what I noticed that her mouth was really tight. And so I thought, oh, that's interesting. I'll just play around. You know, this thing I call exploring.

This is before the circles. I play around with her mouth and her chin. And now today we do circles on it, but that's what we did then. And I found out and I put my mouth, my fingers up here, up on the gums, right. And I found out that in a very short time, she would relax and then I could, was able to open the mouth and get her to open her teeth. And bridle her and her attitude really changed. And then I started talking about that and teaching it.

And then I found another book that's here on my shelf and it's called, emotional intelligence by Daniel Goldman. And in the second it's about humans. And in the second chapter, he talks about the fact that around the mouth and the nose, our taste in the smell affect our, our brain in a way that overcomes fear, that it affects the emotional centers of our brain.

And so, he, did you ever meet Dr. Dan, Daniel, Dan, Dan Daniel Marks, no, I did not. Well, he was the friend of Matthew McKay Smith, and he was the, the vet for the American Jumping Team. Okay. And he had also seen me work cuz I had done, I had gone with them to work on a horse at the King Ranch.

And so they invited me to do a workshop at their center and they had a bunch of the three day adventures and different people come in and I worked with their horses showing them how they could improve performance with the work, the Darlington work. And so one of the horses belonged to one of the other vets and they didn't know what was wrong with her because in those days all you did was measure from the knee. I mean X-ray from the knees in the hawks down.

For those of you not in the horse world today, veterinarians look at every aspect of the horse with, the back, the hips, the neck, none of that with the jaw. Our x-rayed and their have ultrasound, they have everything we humans have. It was not available then. So they wanted me to put my hands on this horse and figure out why was she so aggressive. Like she'd pin her ears and snap her teeth and move, threaten to kick when you just approached her with a grooming thing or with a saddle.

And so I just went up to her quietly like this and, and just put my hands on her rib area. And I didn't recognize what I was doing in those days. Today, what I absolutely know, Rupert, is I'm just giving her this message. Feel yourself. And I see the horse not as aggressive or not as a problem, but just feel yourself feel. And today all I have to do is add to that you're a miracle. I mean, we are miracles, okay? And the horse got really quiet. She didn't pin her ears. She didn't move aside.

And the, her, the wife of her, of her owner said, Linda, what are you doing? Why is my horse not aggressive? Why is she not trying to, you know, bite you or kick you? And I said, intuitively. And now we get back to this word, intuition. You must learn to trust your intuition intuitively. I said, don't worry what I'm doing, just walk up, put your hands on the shoulder and move the skin in a circle. I didn't say a circle in a quarter in those days. That came way later, move the skin in a circle.

And when I said that, I thought, oh, that's interesting. I don't know what that's about. So I didn't tell her, I didn't know what I was talking about. So she went up and she just gently. Pushed the skin, not with a, just lightly pushed the skin in a circle and the horse let her do this. Like all over her ribcage, didn't move to the side, didn't pin her ears, didn't like threaten to bite. And she said she couldn't believe it. And when I saw that, I couldn't believe it either.

And I thought, wait a minute. It takes years to learn this beautiful feld in Christ method. Anybody can move the skin in a circle. And that's when I started following the circles. And that's what we do today. And for years now for humans and horses and dogs. We can relieve fear or pain, reduce pain just for this, what we now know is a one and a quarter circle. And it's taken years to come to that. This is a long story, as you can see with a lot of influence from a lot of people.

Not a lot of pressure, but not too little pressure, but it's a circle and a quarter. And, the quarter, if I'm, correct me if I'm wrong, the, the, the, the quarter circle at the end that you end with seems usually to, if I'm not wrong to be an upstroke, is that correct? Correct. and I've been using it, thank God I just checked using it. But, it, it works, it works on my horses, it works on my dogs, it works on my kids. It works on me.

the moment you, Linda showed this to us, because we were also running a large facility with horses trained at a very high level with lots of clients coming in from all over the world, and a lot of pressure on us to, you know, have horses that would show up, in a good mood, to do what they needed to do. And so we were always obviously interested in anything, anything we could learn to make it nicer for our horses.

And we still, so I remember when you first showed up, Linda, and you showed us this and. I remember thinking, ah, yes. Like all genius things. It's something simple. But one of these days I'm gonna get to ask you when there's not a million of your students around and other people, and I haven't got my hands on a horse and I'm trying to figure out what to do, what's the quarter bit? Why the circle and the quarter.

And then I realized if you do it, all of you watching this, if, if you just imagine a circle here and catch the skin, and actually I'm going to give you, I'm going to have you imagine up there on the wall there's a clock, you know, the kind that we used to have in schools where you had numbers, not, not this digital things, but where you've got a round thing like I have above me and you have the numbers on it. So there's a reason for doing this and you'll see it in a moment.

So I imagine take that clock and I put it here on my chest, which is considered to be your heart chakra. Mm-hmm. Right here. And, and I put imaginary numbers on it. I put six toward the ground. And I put up here, I put my, toward my right shoulder, I put my nine. Just imagine it from the outside. 12 up towards the chin and three towards the left shoulder.

Now there's a real purpose that I say that direction and now I'm gonna make a tiny circle so you can see how actually small it is, it is not this big thing. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I put one hand over the other, I move from six with a big breast, try it six up to your nine. And I do it lightly. Don't press hard just enough to catch the skin and move it so it can be, I'm using the heel of my hand there, there, and I go 6, 9, 12, 3, 6 up to nine and I stop and I just release, I just did it.

Try the, yeah, yeah,

Put the car in park, or slide it into Gear Engine off or run Running Park. Okay. Now I think they're ready. Tell us now. We're all gonna do it together, Linda.

Now you did that once in the clockwise direction. Let's try it and see how it is for you in the other direction. Start at your imaginary six and go up to the left, up to the 3 12, 9, 6, and back up to the three. Now if you just now start from six and go to six. How does that feel? And then go into the other direction. Do six to the right and just around to six. Does it make you hold your breath?

That's how in the first days in my first books, it was just a little beyond six. So it went to about eight o'clock. And then what changed that years later of doing this very successfully, and publishing several books. A young man who's a savan came into one of our classes in Germany, a weekend class for self-help.

And he said, you know, that basic circle of the, and a little more that you're doing, if you just go to circle on a quarter, that's that golden cut or golden spiral that's in all of nature and ah,

If you have these looping thoughts and you can't focus just two, a few of these, one in a quarter circle while,

And what that does from the studies that we've been doing for years, you can be having these looping thoughts that you can't stop or you're agitated, something's really bugging you and you can't slow down. Do this one in a quarter smile because that activates your serotonin. Yeah. Just the stretching of your lips. That's your feel. Good hormone. Yeah. Yeah. And light contact has been shown in a 2000 person study by the American Massage Association.

It's been the light contact, not deep pressure activates the most trust hormone. The ar what? Oxytocin. Yeah. Oxytocin. Exactly. And so just the light move and, and it doesn't have to be on your heart. The reason we started calling it a heart hug was be when I taught it to these orphans who are alone, living alone, often getting only a lunch meal. And we were there during the serving of the lunch meal to teach them this.

So when they're afraid you can do this yourself, or, or how many of you get the things where you have the same few words go over and over, around, through your head and you can't stop it, right? That will stop it. Like, like now why is it important? Rut, I wanna give you this. What the heck? Why is that useful to us?

Because I imagine the face of the, this clock here, anytime I imagine anything that activates my right brain and when I put the numbers on or I have a method, that's why I say toward the shoulder, toward the chin. That's a method that we do. And when we have those methods, that activates our logical part of the brain, and we can't be here together without that logic. The left side of the brain. Right on the left side of the brain. Yeah.

And it activates that whole, that it's the intuition, the, the compassion that we have for others, for ourselves, for the planet, for our animals, creativity, feeling. Mm-hmm. So that's why we do it. That's part of, and before you, if you're working with an animal, a dog or a horse, if you do this before you go to do some exercise you wanna do with them, that puts you in heart coherence. It gives you the activity, activity of the fore brain so you can actually think and feel and heal.

And instead of being under the control of the amygdala, the emotional part of our brain, which you know, is where we have our, our fear. Absolutely. Yeah.

The cord between the back part of the brain and the fore brain, the prefrontal cortex and the prefrontal cortex is what gives us logic reason, but also emotional regulation. So figuring shit out and handling your shit, which are jolly useful survival tools. Right. so what you've done, I think Linda, there has given us a way when we're in our funk, when we're in our dysfunctional funk, not when we're in the George Clinton having fun type of funk. Right.

the, the dysfunction, a way back to brain coherence through serotonin and oxytocin that is pretty much instantaneous. I can attest to this, you know, whenever I've tried it on myself, I'd say that I can get from the dis funk back to the, we want the funk type funk in approximately five to 15 seconds. sometimes it might take me three to six repetitions or sometimes it might happen right away.

But, it's very interesting that your circle and a quarter, your circle and a bit, there's so many, as you say, the golden ratio, pie is like that. It's, you know, something and a bit or these irrational numbers that seem to sequence and have. effects on our DNA and get, get, repeated all through. We see it at every level in, in, in, in cosmology. We see it, we see it everywhere.

and there you are stumbling into it, from having been an 11 month old girl in yellow knife with her hand on a bear's ear instinctively. but, and seeing your great-uncle who'd been out to Russia, putting his hands on the horses with kindness and explaining that however briefly, and then having this horse gene. Anyway, of course, you, you, that was a gift.

and then bringing that through, from functional horseman, horsemanship to refined horsemanship, to then a way of looking at the world and a way of looking at the horse that didn't just serve you, in your professional career then with horses, but also helped you, for example, survive a very, very difficult situation like the one you described with, Tellington, where you could not only survive it, but you could actually forgive him and love him afterwards,

and then therefore not negate all of the gifts and benefits of that relationship. not thinking extremes like that, which is. That would've been understandable, but would not have been as helpful to you. And then you go on to run this school yourself, and then you end up in, in Germany and people are watching you touch the horses like this, and then you discover Feldon Christ and there's a method to it. But as you say, Feldon crisis, it's quite complex. and takes quite a long time to learn.

And then realizing that it can be brought down to something simpler and more direct, through intuition. I love it. and here you are giving it to the rest of us. So you say it's 22 books now in

and start to practice some of the basic exercises on yourself, on your loved ones, because it will, you're gonna find like the rest of us have done that. It helps an awful lot. And then from there, you might want to, to go onto a website, which I'll be giving to you at the end of this, this podcast. And so, you know, you've been, to say you've been massively successful is, an understatement.

And also miss, I feel distract from the point of this conversation, which is again, self-actualization. I would posit that when you were a girl riding to school in Alberta, or when you were running this, school withington, or when you were beginning to do your first writings and explorations, and I, I would very much doubt that you went into it going, I'm gonna do this cuz this is gonna make me rich and famous.

I would posit that you did it because it was what was in front of you and inside you to do. literally. And the, and the success of it is purely down to its practicality that when people try it, they go, oh, this works. I remember hearing, It's a quote from Klaus Balcon Hall, who again, if, if those people who are not horse people, he was an Olympic dressage rider from Germany when Germany really began to dominate in the sport in the late seventies and eighties.

And he, I know, brought you in to his Olympic horses, at a time when nobody was doing anything like that. And all the people said, well, it's this new age shit, you know, da, and he would, I remember him saying, well, she's a white witch. but I think you would say, no, I'm not a white witch. what I've, what I've stumbled into is purely something that works on a cellular level, which anybody can do.

If, if, if, if it relied upon Linda being a white witch, well then it would only, it would die with Linda. And it also wouldn't be transferrable from Linda. But clearly, clearly it is. and here you are now. Where do you want to go? What, what's next? What, what's, what's on the agenda?

Yeah. So you can actually reduce your fear. Just, and, and look, this is a guys with beards, they're so lucky because this helps you think Yeah, it does.

Not that I'm telling him. Oh yeah, I'm gonna fix this. No, no. What, where exactly does it hurt? And what pressure can I use? Is it very light that you like a little bit more and have him guide me and in 15 minutes and pain that was on eight level was down to a two and then it was gone after he got up. And that's what you can do to yourself. That's so cool because we have these ways of working with it. And thanks to Covid Rupert, I now know why this one in the quarter works. So tell us.

I'm going to tell you, and it's thanks to the influence of this book and all, all this, these books behind me is the Code of

And, so he's interested in animals too. So he knew what I did with, with, of course, with dogs and horses and he loves dogs. And so he showed me on his computer, he showed me that every cell in the body has a huge number of known functions. Like I, the number I remember is a hundred thousand. I've gotta check again to make sure this is correct. But in this book, she describes all of the amazing functions that are known. But what's not known is what causes, what's behind all these functions.

And on the back of this book is the answer to that. And I'm, it's, it's, it's a Hindu legend, and I'm just going to tell you for time sake. So the legend goes, and at one time on this planet, every human could had the power of a God. They could do anything. And then human can kind began to abuse that power. And the head Brahman, Hindu Brahman, said, we have to stop this. We cannot allow the world to be damaged in this way. And so I said, we're going to take away this power from humankind.

And so they had this big powwow and they got together and they said, okay, who has an idea? How can we get, how can we hide this power that everyone has? And one said, I know we'll take it to the highest mountain and we'll climb up there and we'll leave it. Nobody will find it. No head. Brahman said. Of course, humankind is very, intelligent. They'll find it. Another one said, we'll go to the deepest ocean, part of the ocean. We'll drop it there. No, no, no. They'll find it.

Then another said, I know we'll go to the deepest cave known on the planet and dig deeper and hide it there. No, no, they'll find it. He sat for a long time quietly just listening. And then he said, I know where we'll hide it inside. They'll never find it. And so the legend goes that since that time, humankind has been running up the mountains, digging in the dirt, diving in the ocean, looking for this power that's always right here and why this is so.

When I read that, I thought my Christian friends are not going to be interested in a human, in, in, in a Brahman legend. And so I called a friend of mine who knows the Bible really well and is a minister. And I said, where does it say that in the Bible? And he said, in the new King James version, Luke 17 lines 20 and 21, the kingdom of of God is within you and all around you. And it depends which version you read, exactly how that said.

But what I've since found, Rupert, it's in every religion it's in. It's not just, it's everywhere. It's this understanding that the God was within. But in some places of Bible, we don't wanna be given that power because we are. We're living manifestations of the divine universal intelligence. And so I realized with this one in a quarter circle that's in all of nature. It's like, turning a key to enter into this amazing body that we have where every cell knows its dysfunction in the body.

And when we have fear or dysfunction, the communication between the cells is inhibited, which is so beautifully discussed in Dr. Bruce Lipton's book, spon, spontaneous evolution. So this communication between the cells, and that's what started me on this whole thing, you're going to develop a form of communication itself that that's, that goes around the world. And this is the communication between us here, between us and ourselves, you know, between ourselves. It's, that's all communication.

And when we realize, wait a minute, we can just open ourselves to this phenomenal information that is in the quantum field. And if you don't know that, find one of the books by Dr. not by, by Greg Grayden in his book, the Divine Matrix or the Field. It's you will get a whole other understanding of who you are and what your life is. What you're hear about when you, when you read his books,

We can visualize the light in ourselves and we can actually either do it with our mind as you get from, you know, so many of these. Wonderful, we've got so many visionaries out there talking about how you can affect yourself just from what you think. Yeah.

I have to tell you this, the time that I have spent with you and Liliana and the amazing work you do with your horses, it's just been life changing for me. I, I can't tell you how much I appreciate and how much I love coming on and hearing your thinking and your questions and what you bring to the world and your books. If anybody has not read your books, like I, every book of you, I start and I can't put it down. And I just thank you for gifting the world with your thinking and what you've done.

And she came and she said, Linda Tanton Jones has just contacted us and is sort of interest, sort of vaguely interested in the horse boy stuff. And I, that's extraordinary, because she's in the stratosphere and we are these people grubbing about on their hippie margins. and I've always felt e extremely, honored and grateful, I have to say. just to, just to know you let alone, to be introduced to the healing methodologies.

If somebody wants to become, to do more than, learn some techniques for themselves and their horses and they actually want to become a practitioner of TE Touch, what do they need to do?

And, and for me, getting to spend time with you and getting to spend time online where we can even reach out, you know, to people who are in Iceland and parts of Africa where they can never get the chance to get to a practitioner.

Okay. And, then I, I've, for years, I've been really careful about checking my blood levels and my, the, making sure that I don't have stuff in my body that I shouldn't have. So I wound up about four years ago being diagnosed with Epstein Bar and with, Hashimotos. And 25 years ago I got rid of chronic fatigue using the, radionics machine and just working with a, a doctor who just had me on a vegetable diet and worming medicine. Okay. Which is really important for all of us.

Anybody who eats vegetables or, or is around animals should be wormed. Like we were more animals. And so, anyway, through Covid, I found out I was, you know, getting stiffer and slower. That was the downside. And so, i, what I have to say more the gift that, that it's brought to me because, because we were doing so much online every Tuesday and one Sunday a month. We practicing taking care of each other. Like people would say, oh my gosh, this, this arm is in spasm.

I can't get to a doctor, I can't get outta spasm. So I could have everybody in the class do this, just try this. Just put one hand on your arm, make, move, like cup your hand and move the tissue and just do a slow lift up, ah, and just lift your shoulder a little bit and hold it. And then slowly, slowly, slowly release it and feel the, like some of you'll feel it just this little release in it because we get so tight sitting at our computers and, not having the you with, because you had horses.

So you never went through that isolation, did you?

Functional time for us, but I do know that that was not everyone else's, experience.

And I would fall, I just had her follow it down and in, and then she found out, oh wow, that's sore all the way down my leg. And then you go off the area. That's, so, that's sore. And just with the gentleness movements of whatever part of your fingers you can use, it's just like moving the tissue as lightly as possible in this one and a quarter movement.

And it's like connecting into this intelligence, this, whatever you wanna call it, divine sourced, universal God intelligence, that we are every cell. That's been science. That's the science behind that is totally proven.

I would, I would never have thought that to, to know you and look at you and see how active and vital you, you always are. I'm always astonished that you are getting off planes and dealing with jet lag and, and, and, and doing all this stuff When you got Covid, you, like quite a lot of people who got covid ended up with a sort of a long covid. but you have also managed to keep traveling.

I just met you in, now I'm talking to you in, in, Jusa, Florida, but I not so long ago was talking to you in Germany. how has Te touch allowed you to deal with that long covid and what of the long covid do you suffer from? How much of the TTouch do you use to alleviate suffering and how much do you use for general maintenance? And what's, what's the equation?

So I'm really paying attention, Rupert, to, you know, what's being said now is that our, our hearing or if you have tinnitus, which I've had for about seven years, that affects our memory. And I was getting really anxious because my memory, I am so usually names and times and places are at my fingertips that I was losing them and that was making me really anxious. So, it's through this light, oxytocin, light contact to activate the oxytocin. And this one in a quarter circle thing.

Wait a minute, I can connect into this divine intelligence in my body. And then, but I need way more than that, you all. I am. I went to Costco and I got my hearing tested and everybody said, oh, come on Linda, why are you doing that? Because you're, you don't have a problem with hearing. Well, I wasn't aware of it, but when I went and did the covid testing, which I really recommend, they give you re amazing, everybody says it's the best you can get.

I had a mild to extreme hearing loss, and they say that's what causes us to lose our memory. Okay, so I'm, so I'm wrestling with that, you all. And also, I'm, I did a sleep apnea test because who would ever think that you wouldn't get enough oxygen at night unless you're paying attention? So that can have to do with my Epstein bar. So, and I go to integrative doctors and I use whatever, all kinds of different ways. I get IV glutathione, which, ah, how often do you do that?

Oh, a couple of times. At least once a month, sometimes twice.

It washes, it's, it's a natural product that your body produces to wash toxins and other bad things out of your system. so you, and so we would give him glutathione and then at a certain point it, it seemed that we could stop. How long have you been taking glutathione? That's interesting.

I mean, I think that when your body's suffering from, you know, Epstein Bar and this, and long covid, which we don't know, but I'm, I'm, today I'm going to be in touch with my, I have a friend, in Germany who's a really wonderful integrative doctor, and I, she has two horses and I trade her support with her horses and she gives me support with all our blood work. And, you know, the thinking of of, how do you affect your body without the drugs?

Mm-hmm. I get, I get the same things that other people do. but I've got this busy work schedule. I kind of have to keep going. I have to keep getting on planes. when I, you know, up until a couple of years ago, listeners, Linda was living in Hawaii, but, you know, spending half the year touring Europe, I, I dunno how you did the jet lag and the, and the exhaustion.

So I want to know if I can be tested for that, cuz I'd love to know, because if you know that, then you can start using the energy and talking about how we can affect, you know, the light in ourselves, bringing light into the fogginess in the head and talking to other friends who have it and managed to keep going. Yeah, that's my, that's my question.

But when they looked at their brains, the, the same brain shrinkage and the same, apparent brain degradation had happened, yet they were not really showing much that was symptomatic. But yet there they were engaging with nature, working in the gardens, leading a very spiritual life, leading a very actualized life, at least on their terms. connected in a, in a community, strong, connection with the divine, strong intellectual life.

And what was interesting is that on paper they had the same issues to the same extent that people with a grossly deteriorated, quality of iPad, yet they did not have this grossly deteriorated quality of life. And I find this fascinating and I, there's, there seems to be a parallel there with what you're talking about that you can have, no one would look at you, I'm looking at you right now, the listeners can't see you.

But I do not see somebody, or nor am I hearing somebody who I would describe in any degree as foggy. But there you are saying Maru, you know, there are days when I am. I love this honesty because it gives us faith that we could manage ourselves to,

That people weren't feeling themselves, weren't feeling their bodies. Hmm. Because we don't shake hands and hugging all that mingling. And the other thing it said was, The nature deficit syndrome. Yeah. For those who weren't having horses, they could go out or couldn't walk their dog or didn't walk. Their dog stuck inside. But for me it's also, I don't know what you just said about the nuns being in a community.

I've had, I had, I had what they call a mini-stroke, which is actually a t i a I had it on, what does t I stand for? Oh, I forget. I forget the word. It's, I dunno. We'll look it up. Yeah, don't mind. Yeah. It, it's a word I should memorize and I, I can't remember it, but it's, it just, it's a warning for a stroke. And the thing is, I had no. I had, there was no clotting and no bleeding. They don't know what caused it, which is it to me. It was a wake up call.

So that's when I said, okay, man, I'm getting my ears tested. I'm getting my, sleep apnea, and I'm just waiting. And I've been talking to me, quite a few friends. I found out who have these dap things, and, and because when they tested me, Rupert, I told you this before, I was found during the night to have like many episodes of only 68% oxygen. And the thing it is so wild is that I woke up with dreams like five, six years ago in Hawaii.

I kept waking up and I said to Roland, I have to get more oxygen. And I tried to rent an oxygen machine, but you know, you have to have a doctor and you have to know what you're doing. And it's very expensive if you don't have insurance or have a doctor's prescription. So finally, I'm waiting here for this cpap. When I say foggy, I don't know what that means. It's sometimes I feel like I'm not in my body and that's when I can use TTouch.

But as soon as I start talking to you and I think of all the people that we're reaching, talking, then I get clear and I'm connected. It's like I'm connected into that oneness of all. So I, I have the. Feeling of the community and this connection to all of us. Mm-hmm. And so I, I, my sister came for two weeks and I have another sister here now for another two weeks.

And I need friends around me because this is one of the things that they say is you get isolated, you know, when you have a stroke or you have something like this and you're not as useful. Oh, good. Does

To equine assisted world, in the next week or two. Absolutely. It's in more depth. We can re Cause as you say, we didn't get into the different parts of the hand. There's, we've, we've barely touched on what TTouch is. We've really just said that it exists. and given some people an idea of a first contact. but I think we'd be doing listeners a disservice if we didn't. you know, when, when I'm out there training Horse Boy Method, for example, I'm always saying, have you discovered Te Touch?

You know, and there's always a percentage of people that go, oh yes, absolutely then, and then there's people of course who say, oh, what's that? And it's always my great pleasure to say, it's a thing you should know, . So, would you, would you please come on again and we can go into more depth?

I mean, your courage, but your, your, your Wordman Smith, I'm, I'm a wordsmith. I just love words and the way you use it. Like nobody. Nobody I know, Robert, thank you. You get a, a motion in in these words that you put. It just jumps out of the page at me.

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