Today . Wouldn't it be cool if you bought your next car with the built-in ham radio controls ? Well , we're going to talk about it more on Live Free and Ham tonight . Hello and welcome to a Live Free and Ham podcast . This is our bi-weekly show where we discuss ham radio topics in New Hampshire , New England and beyond .
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So let's get into our show . I'm your host , as always , Eric call sign N1JUR , and I'm with my co-host .
Hey , it's Paul N1OJ .
And Todd is MIA tonight . He has had a long , rough baseball weekend so he has bowed out for this episode , but he will be here in spirit and I will step in as his body stunt double for something extra with Todd , so I might crumble pretty fast . We'll see how it goes either way , all right .
Well , like I said , we are back at the helm , we are in total command of our ship and we've changed all the codes and eliminated all that riffraff . You know , and maybe you know for those who are like , what's he talking about ? Well , you know . Then you need to go back and watch the hammered clubhouse , fellas .
Uh , they came in and wrecked everything , you know . I don't know about you , paul , what you're feeling on that one , but we're still picking up the pieces they did a a terrible job .
They can't compete with us , yep .
And they sold everything , which is good because that was all of our old merch . So , you know , clears the plate for whole new stuff and , you know , new series of shirts which we'll have to commiserate in ham radio clubhouse fashion . So those are soon to come , but we'll get into that in a second .
Well , hopefully the sales offset everything they gave away into that in a second .
Well , hopefully the sales offset everything they gave away . We broke , even sadly , and I think I actually have to send them an extra bill for the cleanup of all the mess that they left , of the extra beer cans and McDonald's wrappers . So we shall see . She , shane , we're coming for you All , right .
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So you know , I think we got all the bases covered and we're going to be having a special repeat guest on this week . We invited Mark Halibut from Halibut Electronics back . He's going to come back . Tell us a little bit about a couple of great things that are in store for us .
Uh , as we um are going to be talking , probably uh with him about ham x , and so those are . In the new england area , ham x is coming up august 22nd through the 25th uh , the livery and ham crew uh will be there in and out , so make sure you come find us , look us up .
Um , we'll be there hanging out , hopefully uh doing some live streaming um and talking to folks . But , uh , you know we uh we're looking forward to that um and so you know , kind of to kick things off , uh , we're bringing mark back and he's gonna hopefully uh kind of set the tone for us going forward uh and uh getting ready for a ham x there .
So , um , make sure you keep an eye out on that and make sure , if you haven't already clicked the subscribe and hit that notification bell , and we'll make sure we notify you when we go live . All right , well , let's kick off um our usual streams here . Um , the first one is our do good , doing good good .
Doing good you do , that's good , do good do good , you're doing good absolutely . I do good , I do it Good . Bob , do it real good . Right now my only outlet is my ham radio .
Now we do this segment every two weeks or roughly even on a live show . We're starting to do that more . But you know , again the feedback Loop is dried . I don't like , I don't know what it is , man , apparently we all suck as ham radio operators . We do absolutely nothing good .
Nobody has any time whatsoever to email us to say hello and even tell us that there's some great stuff going on in their club . How about you , paul ? Have you run into any of that ?
Well , I don't know . I mean , it seems like the Flag and Torch Society is the only club around that wants to let anybody know they're doing good .
Well then , shall we give you the floor then , you know , is there any other additional Flag and Torch stuff that you'd like to promote ? That , you know , is showing the good in ham radio .
No , I mean nothing specific . You know , I'm sure we'll be doing a testing session up again here pretty soon . I think there's one scheduled for the ninth . But otherwise , you know , I mean they're just a great club , very welcoming to all active and veterans . So if that fits your bill and you like radio , it might be a good place for you .
Well , and you've got also another side venture there too . So like , put some kudos there , you know , promote it a little bit , let them know about it .
you know , go ahead All right , yeah , well , so there's a , yeah , the weekend warriors podcast . Uh , we're we're three episodes in at this point . Um , it's a . It's a great opportunity for active duty and veterans just to have conversations about , uh , what's going on in their lives and what's uh important to them .
Uh , we kind of treat it like , uh like an open discussion . Sometimes we have a topic that we'll stick to , but , uh , a lot of times it's just us talking about what's on our mind . So , um , cool , I encourage anybody that wants to uh take part in that to um , hit us up on discord uh , flag and torch society .
Yeah , yeah , definitely , and you can always head over to paul's channel , which are down in the the show notes , to check that out and uh , subscribe to his channel and you'll get updated when weekend warriors kicks off and any of the cool videos paul puts together .
Uh , because I know he kind of infrequently he probably puts out more videos than shane does on his usual schedule which is every 12 to 24 months . I think paul's a little bit ahead of that curve there . So you know , you can always check out some good stuff there . Just a bit .
Yeah , exactly right , I think it's a magic radio , though once you bought the magic radio you took all of uh shane's you know , ability to record videos .
Um , well , I , I hope I hope that I got all his mojo with the radio me too .
I a good radio and the stickers in a perfect location . It's like you say that . All right , well . So with this next episode , since our lovely Todd is away and not here with us , I will be stepping in , like I mentioned , as his stunt double . So we're going to kick off our next segment called , and now for something a little extra , with Todd W1STJ .
All right , all right . Well , we are rolling into yep , the we're todd , uh aka eric . Uh , who's orion extra ? I should put that in my subtitle here . Uh , I'm helping todd and by stepping in and taking his extra class license so we can test his knowledge through me vicariously .
I know it's weird , uh , and we hope maybe you know , through my mess up he'll get his uh upgrade . But uh , we'll see . Um , you know .
So if you like to follow along , you always head over to hamstudyorg , which is a great resource to help you prepare for your test and is recommended by three out of four volunteer examiners , because the american dental association was unavailable for comment when we took the survey .
So , without , without any further delay , we will hand it over to you our lovely VE Quizmaster . Go ahead , take it away . Paul , hammer me hard . Wait . No , that just came out wrong , sorry .
You know , I just noticed , for those that can see the video , that this layout is really nice . We should have been using this .
The whole time , right , so we should just have to kick . We'll have to kick myself to the the , you know the green room every time . Well , all right . Well , hey , you know , we learned something new every episode , so let's kick this mess off .
All right , question number one from sub element number one because Todd wants the easiest questions , so here you go . Number one , because Todd wants the easiest questions , so here you go . Under what circumstances might the FCC issue a special temporary authority , aka STA , to an amateur station ?
A to allow a VE group with less than three VEs to administer examinations in a remote , sparsely populated area . To administer examinations in a remote , sparsely populated area . B to provide for experimental amateur communications . C to allow use of a special event call sign , or is it ?
D to allow a licensee who has passed an upgrade exam to operate with upgraded privileges while waiting for the posting on the FCC database ?
Ooh , wow , man , that was a close one there .
Hmm , there's only one correct answer yeah right , exactly .
So . I was originally going to go with C , but I'm going to go with D because I think that's a you know , a better fit for that type of question .
Ooh , all right . See , I was going to say B , so let's see who's right . Oh it's not you .
It's B .
It's me .
Well , you are V , so I would hope you have those tattooed on the backside of your arm , front side of your arm .
The backside of my eyelids every time I close my eyes . Everywhere it's just tattooed on the backside of your arm , front side of your arm . I have backside of my eyelids Every time I close my eyes . It's just VE questions .
You go to sleep thinking VE questions . This is the way it goes .
All right . Question number two which of the following geographic descriptions approximately describes line A ? Now you're going to have to think about where line A is . But is it A a line roughly parallel to and south of the border between the US and Canada . B a line roughly parallel to and north of the border between US and Mexico .
C a line roughly parallel to and east of the US Pacific coastline . Or is it D a line roughly parallel to and west of the US Atlantic coastline ? So where around the US is line A ?
You know , it's one of those things that it sort of makes me think that we're looking at oh man , is that the ? Is it's line a canada and us ? Why does that seem to stick with me ?
Because I know we had this conversation or I've heard it somewhere yeah , we're gonna go definitely have this conversation yeah , we're gonna go with a a is correct yeah , all right , something sticks . I'm not getting as old as I thought .
All right , as I pat myself on the back for the third and final question which vhf amateur bands have frequencies authorized for space stations ? Is it A , 2 meters and 1.25 meters , b , 6 meters , 2 meters and 1.25? , c , 2 meters only or D , 6 meters and 2 meters ?
well , alex , I am almost positive . I think it is the c , because I don't think any of the other bands offer anything else , so I'm gonna go with c . You are correct c it is . So two out of three ain't bad no no , dude , I , you know I pulled it out . You're welcome , todd . That's all I have to say . You know , that's 70% . Pretty much .
At this way I look at it alright . Well , you know , my train wreck of an attempt here wasn't too bad . You know , I can actually put my head on my pillow tonight and know that I am still an extra . So it's always a good thing . They can't take away my privileges , or at least the FC currently unless they have a legit reason why .
But we won't go into it . And so if you're on the journey to studying for your technician , general or extra class , like Todd , you can go to hamstudyorg , as it is an excellent resource for getting your ticket . And we want to know if you've recently received your license or you've been upgraded .
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So with that , you know , as always , we thank you guys for tolerating our torture . I know , I know we almost got lynched on the Ham Radio Clubhouse because we ran our regular show and they're like what the hell is this crap ? And so we survived .
That's a drinking podcast .
Yeah , exactly right . That's all that podcast is , and maybe a little ham radio . I think we overkilled them with ham radio . We lost a lot of people . They're like , why are they talking about ham radio ? All right , well anyway . So in our usual format , we're going to talk . You know how's your ham radio , paul . What's been going on Any ham radio at ?
all yeah well , so this week has been tough . There's been a lot of solar activity , a lot of X-class , M-class , Clare's CME's . There was a cannibal Cme because I guess there was um like three that all kind of came out together and so the one just ate the other two and it created a much bigger blast . Uh , right at us .
Um noticeably rough band conditions , like I mean I'm talking s9 plus six noise floor it was yeah it was . it was pretty crazy for uh for a good majority of the week but , um , I was able to make a few contacts here and there .
Uh , actually last night it was , it was really cool there was a guy uh in virginia driving to louisiana and so he was operating hf while he was driving on the highway on the 20 meter band and I had him , you know it , granted I mean an S nine noise floor and I had him about six over , you know .
So I was able to make him out nice and clear and we had a . We had about a half hour , a little rag chew and and , uh , I said , listen , it's 1.30 in the morning . I'm done with my video editing . I just need to go to bed . I wish you all the best , have a safe drive .
But I thought it was really cool that he was running portable that far south and it was nice and clear .
Dude , I'm getting one step closer . I'm almost done . That that's like I'm getting one step closer . I'm almost done . I finally have finished my plethora of 3d prints and finally got everything narrowed down and got the right base set for my car . So I'm now like 80 well , I'd say about 90 ready to record the videos so I can get hf in the truck .
And I'm looking , oh , I can't wait till I have hf in the truck . That I mean , I'm like at that point , you know , I just want to start playing a little HF when I go out and you know fool around , or when you know the wife's in the store , you know just the simple stuff , just to enjoy the pleasures of that .
And then you know my benefits of going to a photo park . I'm like , dude , I can just pull up and you know , that is a perfect example .
Dude , like even though the conditions sucked . What terrible , yep terrible , still play radio play radio , dude , don't give up .
You know you might not be pulling contacts like uh , you know every three a second . Or you know like uh , you know a madman in a contest , but uh , you know the contacts you do . Make man their quality .
That's the way they work oh , gotta give a shout out to to , um steve , um ko4 afl . Um , I was , uh , I was having issues with my uh remote setup and our rc4 wasn't working . It was rejecting everybody .
Um and he , he jumped on zoom with me , uh , yesterday morning and in about an hour we had all the problem resolved and yeah , so big shout out to him , I got my my remote station back up very cool , very cool and enough , so shane could get in there and he can get off of steve's station right , although I'm not sure .
I'm not sure he'll he'll like it so much because , uh , mine doesn't rotate I right , exactly , you don't have a big giant , uh , you know , uh , beam up on the roof , uh , you know , pulling multi-band off of it , you know . And he's got an amplifier too , right from last I heard . So you know , you have a little competition , but not much . I mean heck .
You know you're running a kilowatt , he's only five . So there , there is something for that . Oh , yes , full power is full power . Yep , that is for sure , especially coming in from the barefoot community over here . So , all right , well , for me , man , I'm trying to get my bearings .
Like we said , it's been a while , I know , I've been on some vacations on and off here , so my ham radio weeks , um , I ended up actually getting a chance to go activate again . Um , I took my daughter with me , um , yeah , her and her , uh , you know , she came , brought her art book , but I didn't understand why .
So we brought the dog in tow , went up to mount aggie and and york main , um , and it's right around the . You know , I think it was a g3 storm right around that week too and I knew , kind of going in it , uh , that I was going to be like you know , the bands aren't going to be great . I'll be lucky if I pulled 10 .
I think I pulled like 35 contacts in about almost an hour and a half but I was always presented and actually still have it over here . My daughter thought she'd be funny because I was still doing recording . Actually , two things came out of it . I wish I wrote this woman's call down , but to talk about what my daughter left me .
Call down , but to talk about what my daughter left me . I'm sitting there on this and she put this in front of me and so I'm in the middle of , you know , recording the video . So I'll have a video launched on the tuesday night taco . Uh , you know ham radio clubhouse playlist . You know we'll check it out and you can see your little antics there .
Um , but I didn't have the camera running . I was kind of bummed . I ran into a couple actually I was . I was just starting to set up when I got there and it was already overcast and it was kind of a rainy day in general .
So I was like this is going to be short activation and this couple came over with their two girls and she was off in the distance and the only thing she said in the office she's like soda . And I'm like no , no , thanks , I don't need anything . And she's like no , no , you're doing soda . And I'm like no , I'm doing a poda .
I'm like , oh , I thought you were like offering something and she was like . She was like no , no , no . She's like what's , what's poda ? And I'm like my jaw dropped . I'm like right .
How do you know about soda and not ?
poda , exactly my . I thought , oh well , I've got something if you're here . And of course I would have thought her husband was also a ham . No , no , ham whatsoever . I mean he was like two left thumbs couldn't like hold the microphone the right way , type thing . He was asking like the very basic questions like what , what's radio ? What's this ?
The thing over here , this standing up , you know , 14 feet in the sky , you know that type of stuff and and so once he realized , when she came over and she introduced herself , she gave , gave me a call sign in her name and I totally forgot .
I somehow must have stopped the recording in the midst of it , because she was just like she's like , oh , I've got an 857 . And I do . You know , this is what I run for . She was lugging around like almost like a lead acid battery , but something smaller .
I'm like no , no , and I'm like wow , that's a lot of weight there , especially doing soda , and you know . So we started showing her a little bit of the eight 91 and the setup and and she , I gave her my stickers . So I , she hasn't hit me up . I'm always hoping she would like , you know , hit her , hit me up on my channel , or something like that .
So hopefully she's a listener and if she is , maybe if she recalls that conversation , she can , you know , send uh , you know uh , an SMS text there . There , you know , let us know because I want to make sure I get your call sign right and give you kudos because it was a blast talking with you .
It kind of made the whole entire um activation that much smoother and fun to actually , you know , see another ham there who was , you know , new to the podo world , I was like , oh cool , this is something you know , I want to , you know , get her more involved in .
And she's , she goes to the lakes region um club , uh , and I can't remember what their club name is , but uh , again , I'm bad with names first time out so I didn't write any of it down and I feel bad for it . But , uh , it was a good contact and so hopefully , you know she , uh , she digs us up and learns a little bit more of us .
But you know , I'd love to , you know , talk to her more and you know we , we can have her on , it'd be kind of cool . So , either way , so that was kind of my radio , you know , ham radio week in a nutshell . So you know some POTA good contacts , but you know bad bank additions for sure . All right , well , so this leads us up to Todd .
We don't know what his ham radio week is . It's probably filled with baseball . So , todd , you can fill it in the comments below . Um , and so with that , let's kind of get into our topic tonight , and so tonight's topic is a little bit of a special one . Um , we had a listener submitted questions .
So , yes , you , the listener , can submit questions for us to have , you know , conversations about topics . This one came into our inbox and and I was like , oh , wow , that's a really good topic . This one , uh , the contact is jim rice and no , he's not with a baseball player , no matter how much we really want . You know .
I looked him up to make sure his call sign , the name , were correct . Uh , this is ke4lxk . Um , and he submitted a question to us that says why doesn't , uh , the majority of manufacturers yezu , icom make way to utilize screens inside of new vehicles to operate a radio ?
I have a new 2023 Tacoma with a great screen and , for example , plenty of complaints about the A57D screen , which we all know . It's like the size of a quarter and all the buttons , they're always complicated . And Yaesu menus , we all know and we'll get into it a little bit they are , you know , somewhat complicated to navigate .
If you haven't been in that interface , if you're an icon person , like Paul is , and you know he'll contest that , you know Yezu can be a pain sometimes . Um , you know , and he's asking well , wouldn't it be cool if we put it on a screen or , you know , integrated it into the vehicle as kind of a vehicle ?
You know , one screen , touch paint , a glass display type thing , and it kind of got me thinking . I'm like well , you know , why don't we talk a little bit about that ? Like what the heck ? Like , you know , maybe this might be a kickoff for manufacturers to get their heads out of the 1990s and realize that . You know , hey , this is the 21st century .
We spend a lot of time in our cars . You know we all have some infotainment system in some form or fashion . Why can't we integrate in that what's so hard to make ? A black box or some interface or some piece of software to be able to control that radio ? You spent like $500 on that .
You have to mount up above your dash so you can see it , because you don't want to get into an accident when you're trying to switch a simple band or whatever the case . So we're going to talk a little bit about that tonight and share our thoughts on it and hopefully it will spur a little bit of discussion . We'll open it up in the show on our Discord .
So if you haven't been over to our Discord , the show link is in our description and show notes below . So head over there . Let us know what would you love to see stuff . But we'll talk about it . And if you've got some opinions on it , we want to hear and keep the conversation going .
But so you know , paul , tell me , you know what , what's your struggles and what do you do ? You see this as a benefit . You know , either in the latest cars of today or like in , you know , at the aftermarket . In that sense , like , would you like to see some of that integration ? Like are mix .
Well , so when I read the email , I was really intrigued because it's an interesting thought and I don't know necessarily that it should be left up to the manufacturers , yaesu or ICOM , but perhaps a third-party software could find a better , easier , better solution . Um , you know . But so I drive in .
I drive an oh seven uh , tundra , uh , I've done so many modifications to the truck . Uh , I got , you know , 250,000 miles on it . I've driven it cross country , I've up and down the East coast every year . So you know , I mean , I , I definitely spend a lot of time in my truck .
Um , the radio that I've got in the truck , as we've all talked about before , uh is the asu , it's the ftm 400 xdr uh , and it's literally mounted right above my steering wheel , so it's right in my face . Uh , nighttime it , even on its dimmest setting it's kind of too bright . Um , I had bought an uh , an upgraded radio .
You're probably going back uh it's like a like an fm kenwood type radio , right . Yeah , like a truck radio radio , right yeah , yeah , yes , stereo .
I should say right , okay , yeah , right , yeah , um , you know , but it was a touch screen with a dvd player and navigation built in and everything and and , and it was really nice for a while , but you're going back probably about eight years and it and it died , uh , about six months ago , like the . The radio's just kaput , stereo , the stereo's kaput , um .
So I've been looking at other options that would suit more needs than just playing music , and one of the things that's fairly common online with my generation of the Toyota Tundra is they make a seven-inch , almost like a tablet display that goes in place of of the stereo , and so everything is then controlled from the tablet .
And so if there was , uh , you know , an android application that I could then install and run a cable to my radio and get rid of the display completely off my dash and control everything right from the app , you know , like WFU or any of those types of softwares , but in an app form , that would be really really neat .
Yeah , I would agree , I would think , and we'll get clear the air pretty quickly here for me . I look at the manufacturers today and I see ICOM , Yaesu , and well , we'll put Kenwood in the mix . They aren't even kind of in the mobile game per se anymore , but maybe they might get there .
But if you look at those manufacturers and you say , okay , well , yeah , they have all of these great , somewhat touch interfaces like the FTM 500 , the FTM 400 for Yaesu , ICOM's menuing system , the F team 400 for Yezu , ICOM's menuing system , they built a platform , a software platform , and then bolted it on top of their radios for the purposes of simplicity and
control . So whether you go from HF to VHF , UHF , all of them pretty much are the same . You know menu's obviously a little different based off of bands and the flexibility of that stuff .
But like finding the menu controls going through navigation , you could literally go in with one eye and one arm time behind your back and know how to operate the interface , no matter what's a 9700 or 7610 or 7300 . Right .
Yeah , I mean , if you're familiar with one of those radios , you can pick up any of them and you're good to go .
Yeah , whereas you go into the Yezu world , for me , I have a DX10 . Yeah , whereas you go into the yezu world , for me , I have a dx10 . I had a . Well , we can't put the 450 in there because they didn't have a you know large display , but uh , or an ftm 300 . They are night and day to each other .
They don't know , yeah , nine , nine and one , they don't talk the same , they don't look the same , that you know . I mean , granted , the 710 and the , the dx10 , are sort of cut like close cousins to each other but their menus are just a little tad different , you know .
But there's never a forethought like , hey , we're going to do software first and then , you know , let that talk to the hardware . They were like we're going to have hardware first and then let our software be secondary , which in my mind is like a 1980s , you know 90s , you know philosophy of .
You know , hardware first and software last , of afterthought , because we have to have something to control the radio but to be able to take , like you said , like a software app . I always kind of envision , like I look at my , I drive a 18 Ram , you know 15 half ton , and I've got that 10 inch display on it . Love it , I mean .
But the display and some of it is very like specific to the display and , and some of it is , it's very like specific to the manufacturer and that's how they did it , that's how they built their interface .
Fine , but you know , it would be awesome and it's sort of like how I have with my , as you described , the android ecosystem or the apple ecosystem , like when I plug my phone in guess what ? All of a sudden I get my apple interface and all of my apps and everything that I'm used to in the app world , for you know my experience .
Well , why can't I have that with , like the radio ? Why can't I be like that ? You know , instead of that stupid mini DIN connector on the back for the 300 that does zero of you know anything . It's not even a TNC per se . You can't even use it for anything . Why can't I have a USB port , whether it's B , I don't care , or A or even C ?
C would be miraculous , but let's just not go up that , you know , down that road . Be able to plug the radio in , have my Uconnect system say oh , I've got an app , let's just install that and launch it . Or , you know , go to the app store and pull it down .
And now I can do it from my phone and from the Uconnect Apple ecosystem control the radio and see my A channel , my B channel , the little like quick program buttons that I have at the bottom that I can all touch , no-transcript , because I can turn the volumes up or down , versus having to imagine having to press a volume button like up .
That would just kill me . I'd be like , okay , the radio is going , I'm vaulting it out the window . It's as simple as that . But having all of those move to the controls of like the dash freaking phenomenal , like dude , that'd be awesome .
Be like I would be able to have a hundred percent ham radio in my truck , driving my wife totally a hundred percent nuts , because there's nothing else but ham radio in this truck , truck , and so she can't touch the controls , she can't modify them , and I can control like the radio through bluetooth and you know my hands-free , you know steering wheel controls , all
of those cool things like that would be phenomenal . If they could get their heads out of their butts and figure out how to make software around that , that would be like the bomb . I would spend bazillions of dollars to just buy , you know , a vhf and UHF head unit that was available to me . I don't know what do you think about that ?
So , um , as , as we're talking about it , right , it , I mean it's , it's got my wheels turning and I'm I'm trying to think , you know , somebody would have to come up with like , uh , the , the OHIS kind of theory of things , where it's uh , it's a universal in between , because you're talking about integrating with several different major auto manufacturers , plus the
radio manufacturers , right , and and , to be fair , um , you , ideally I think you would want this interface unit to to have a sound card built in , so that way you could take radios that don't have sound cards and make them compatible through , maybe , like a , you know , one of those little tiny cube computer things that you would have installed in your dash or
something , right , like , I mean , I , I'm sure there's , there's a million different solutions to this that I'm , that I'm thinking of , and I'm sure that somebody out there who is a hell of a lot more smarter than I am , oh , yeah , yeah , they're like , oh , I could do that .
Well , huh , yeah , hopefully they're watching . Right , exactly , if you are watching , let's have a conversation because we can do a brain dump together and give you everything you'd probably think to want to build in your interface . But this would solve my number one complaint .
I love the guy , but KMurder always a big anti-APRS person because it's so difficult to build , not even KMurder KM4ACK . He complains about the Yaesu interfaces being able to text , and I'm with him 100% , I don't disagree . But being able to , oh , all of a sudden on that now software display on my dash press , the hey , I want to reply to that APRS text .
Now I can be like , oh , engage the voice and say blah , blah , blah , blah , blah , and it translates my voice into the APRS text and then I can press the button on the screen if I want , or even say in my voice command send the message , and it will send the message via APRS .
And now it's gone over the APRS RF network and I feel much cooler because I'm actually using a technology that's , you know , lockstep with the technology that we all pay for on a daily , you know monthly basis with our cell bills .
But you know Well , and it's keeping you safer on the road , you know . I told you You're not having to , you know , fiddle with knobs and buttons , Like you can voice command it , Like that would be amazing .
Yeah , that would be the one big thing . I think , out of the gate would be awesome to be able to do all of that . But more so like imagine being able to actually just program a frequency , like you know how you do with your current radios today or your stereos today .
You just hold the button or press it firmly and now it's saved the memory in the channel . It's not like I have to hold this button and this function key to be able to get it to save the menu . It's just like a matter hey , I want to tune this , like when you know todd gives me a , you you should check out this repeater .
I can go in and like program the repeater in by just punching the numbers and it knows the offset , can calculate it automatically . And then , hey , I want to save it to memory six . I'll save it to memory six and you know it will make you know that much , that much more of the experience for me like so much . Like way freaking easy , like I don't like .
It's just so mind boggling why , why do mind-boggling ? Why ? Why do we have to like play in ?
1980s , like when it comes to our radios , like , do you feel that way ? Well , I think what it is right is there's there's all these different advancements in the technology and that people need to come together , right so , like icon with their , their feature , where you can scan and it'll pick up the , the local repeaters and and the tones and all that .
Right so that feature needs to be shared on all the radios oh , yes , get rid of this , you know right , but bluetooth that crap but , bluetooth , yes , and all the radios right . Gosh holy crap .
Yeah , a standard of bluetooth that is used while the world , not like a half-baked version like geizu does .
Oh yeah , it's so frustrating that the ftm 400 has bluetooth capability . I I bought the module , I put the module in so just to have the bluetooth capabilities , but then it it only works with like certain stupid looking little tiny earpieces .
And no , that's not convenient while I'm driving , like I wanted it to connect straight to my fricking radio , my , my , my stereo Bluetooth . Yeah Right , that would be awesome , yeah .
That would be a step in , like the right direction . First step , I mean alone , just to be able to have your radio go hey , connect as a device and now I can hear it through the stereo and I don't have to crank up the volume all the time on the radio to hear something . That would be phenomenal . But nope , uh-uh , not gonna happen .
No , because they have to . They have to meet the marine , you know , in the you know police force . I'm like they would probably love to have that feature too . Like why aren't you like charging them a you know a premium and then selling it to us cheaper ? I mean that like , yeah , yeah it gets me aggravated every minute .
Municipality , I'm sure , would be super appreciative to have bluetooth radio to their car stereos , like , oh , yeah , hands-free while they're driving , while they're , you know , having to type in license plates and do other you know police things or fire things like , yeah , that's just that it makes sense just do it .
Yeah , we need to have john crook on and just , you know , grill him hard about like how we we can't stand why we're just like being sold a bill of goods . That just sucks , you know . But doing it a nice way , I guess I don't know . We'll have to figure out how we do the nice way part .
But I I know a few folks have had them on and you know they've done an okay job . But I think you know we could hit them hard better because we don't have to worry about sponsorships . We're so young , we're so small we're not .
We're not monetized , so we don't have to . We're not monetized either , so you know we can drop whatever we want for f-bombs too .
So , yeah , well , yeah , that is my frustration . Like I mean , obviously there's a lot of technical things , but I think the only way to like , as we all know , like we're talking with mark at halibut electronics he's , he's similar to that same tinker .
He'll build , like solutions that you know , interface to the manufacturers , because the manufacturers won't do it for whatever reason , or just don't have the budgets to do it . Um , you know , but like having like his , like you mentioned the ohis and those that don't know what . Ohis is a open headset interconnect standard , which is kind of that open standard .
So , thinking in those terms , like it would be cool if there was this we'll call radio interface standard ris or you name whatever you want to call it , and it's like that's what , like every manufacturer just connects to , so it passes whatever information it needs to , whatever method , cables , whatever connection to this little black box and you buy this little black
box and that little black box has the interface to your said vehicle , because we know the vehicle manufacturers aren't going to be like , oh , that ham radio market , we need to get involved in that quickly because they're , you know , a big space . I mean , we're like a small little drop in the pond to the bigger .
You know , I mean , as it is what Tesla's fighting against hard for removing AM out of their vehicles . I mean , come on , what do you think they're going to be putting ham radio in Jeez ?
Yeah , that's a shame .
I mean , am radio is still fantastic for a lot of different things Well is still fantastic for a lot , of , a lot of different things . Well , and you heard their reason why , right ? No , not at all . Their reason why is am causes too much interference to their electronics in the car .
They definitely don't want a radio then that that they're , that they're , that am would be messing up all of their safety features and functionality . I'm like , really like we've had am and cars for a while and you've been throwing more safety features at those .
I'm like , really Like we've had AM in cars for a while and you've been throwing more safety features at those left and right , like , and they haven't failed .
You think all of those accents are related directly to AM band , because I turned my AM radio on and all of a sudden it's like oh , my car got into an accident , it's driving , it's self-driving , it's crashing into the truck in front of you were receiving AM radio , not even transmitting it . Sure , really , I know , exactly so bizarre .
So , yeah , I mean having a black box , this would be phenomenal , like .
I mean I'm not going to be pioneering this because in essence , I just have way too much on my plate , but if there's somebody out there , like Paul mentioned , that you know , has the time , has , you know , deep pockets and doesn't mind tinkering with electronics and coming up with that interface , this would be one thing that I think from the ham radio community
as a whole would both be a safety plus but a great feature to be able to have that capability where I can take whatever radio I have as long as it meets that . And again , this is the problem with some of the older radios that we already face now . It's like you can't get stuff out of them because they're so locked , like the Apple ecosystem .
I mean Paul's loving it when I say that , but you know it's very much like Yezu was like hey , you can't get into that radio unless you get in there hardcore and solder right directly to the board .
I mean that's like your only option and 90% of us probably aren't going to do that for the fact of voiding warranties , if we , you know , still had a warranty on the radio . But you know , like a example of um the ivy azu , was it 450 ? Yeah , I have an ft 450 and there's a new display that I can actually put a full uh spectrum scope tied to it .
I just have to tie in the if filter . Well , you have to solder the if into the specific space on the board , the if filter . It's like in the toughest place possible to get at it and I'm like , well , then that's just gonna cross me off the list because I can barely like . My soldering is crap in general , but , like you know me trying to solder .
I'm gonna probably solder to five other connectors that are already on that board and catch the 450 on fire , but yeah you need .
You need a . You need a workbench with a , you know , microscope and , uh , you know super fine tip you know for for doing the , the , uh , you know , service mount stuff like yeah , that's beyond the average person , I think and myself for sure .
So , yeah , I mean to have a black box . I think would be an ultimate design . So I think well , so we should ask really the question in general , to kind of answer . Uh , um , jim's you know point is like do we ever think manufacturers are going to get to that point like , will they ever allow a , you know , a common interface ?
no , I think .
I think it has to be a third party , and and so that's where you're going to end up with something that's either uh , windows , linux or android based , because sorry , apple , but you're all proprietary and fuck you I'll agree with you on that , although the it is is getting slightly better in terms of being able to release some of the hardware side of things ,
which I'm hoping in the next couple of years we'll start to see more of that , at least from the developer conference and stuff that I've seen , um or them hinting to , they're starting to allow more of that and again it's because security and that's where their stance is . So I get it , I understand . I mean , heck , we were hacked , so you know who are we .
We're a small little lowly show and you know our . Our password of monkey one , two , three is now monkey four , five , six , for those that might want to try exclamation point . Exclamation point , exclamation point . Exactly right , two exclamation points . There's a difference and a capital m ? Um , and so you know it's one of those things that's like .
I would love to be able to have those capabilities . But I know , like you said , third party is going to be the way to be and so you know , maybe there is . You know , maybe there is .
You know I know there are obviously tinkers out there because we've got , like you know , like I mentioned before , full spectrum scopes to like radios that don't have that capability , that now are software driven and they're small little Android , you know , kind of four inch screen . You know that you can attach to your radio and , and those things are pretty sweet .
I mean they . You know that you can attach to your radio and and those things are pretty sweet , I mean they . They offer all this functionality . Pull all the , the data that you know you need off the radio that you would normally get on a larger , more expensive radio .
But now is it is better and you know , even , look at like things like the fx4cr , I mean that's , that's a full software , pretty much radio . I mean there's like hardware involved in it , but it's not like a proprietary platform . I can go in and tinker and tweak that if I wanted to , and make something a little different .
I'm not held to the manufacturer's warranty standards . Well , maybe , but I don't know . I'm sure he wouldn't care either way if I was improving upon the platform .
I'm sure what it's going to come down to is . It's going to be a ham with some ham genuity and they're going to come up with , you know , one of those little tiny box computers running , you know , linux or some type of operating system , with a sound card attached .
And the key here , right , is if you use the 891 as your first radio , right , very popular yep .
Look at how many people run POTA and they've got an 891 and to have the ability to take that same radio instead of being outside the vehicle , plug it right in directly to this interface and have it come up on your display so that you can have the radio sitting off to the side and you can just sit and you can log and you can do everything right there .
And the first version . I wouldn't even care if you didn't have a spectrum scope either , like that would be a bonus if you could have that capability of being able to , you know , do the same thing we do on the larger HF gear .
But you know , not even having that but having just the capability to be able to do everything from the radio , um , you know , minus some of the challenges , I think , and one of the things popped in my head was like I already have a big rf um noise issue with my truck in general .
If I'm running , you know , accessory or not , in accessory mode or even with accessory switch on , I hear a nice little hum on my 891 on hf , on 20 and 15 and sometimes 40 , but I haven't done 40 much on the truck um , and I know it's probably a grounding issue , it's probably poor .
You know wiring and you know all of the other stuff they chose not to do at the factory , you know .
But that would also require a lot more manufacturers to clean up , like a lot of the rfi and and other stuff , because I'm sure the radios would definitely be uh , you know , especially with that third-party box in the middle of it be prone to picking up a lot more . You know RFI in your noise floor . Your truck might be an S9 plus 60 over well , do you ?
I mean , you would think that the auto manufacturers , at this point , like everything is so computerized , that they would have some type of RF protection . You know , just even for the basic , you know , your , your , your , you know CPU that runs everything in your vehicle . You know why they don't . I don't , I don't know .
Well , yeah , why they don't is because , uh , you know , every dollar they can squeeze out of the vehicle that they can save on their own to make on the profit end is why they do it . And if it ever becomes a recall situation then they'll fix it . But nine times out of 10 , that's just kind of the struggle . I think that's kind of why .
Maybe that's why we haven't heard anything in that space where , well , we all know that every , every manufacturer is a closed system there's . You know , they're not the same , no matter what . I like , the only thing , any , anybody who has any penetration is apple and android . That's just kind of the the market share that they were faced with .
They had to install those because there was a big people , a big user base already saying I want to have android control , I want to have apple control , my truck get , you know , get with the program . And so you know , once they finally succumb to that , then they started making their interfaces a little bit better .
But you know , it's still they're not going to open it up , they're not going to create an open standard , because you know god forbid that . You know , if they had an open standard , you know the hackers would be having a heyday and they'd be like hey , I gotta take over all the teslas and watch . You know what ?
We do not the tesla would ever allow anybody to touch their software whatsoever .
But you know any of the big ones like dodge or you know ram , or it would be the , the new kia boys pretty much that we'll have to buy .
We'll have to buy kias and then you'll be hams will be identified by them driving , not because the antenna is in their car , but by driving a kia . That's pretty much well , and the antennas too . But you know , that would be the second thing you notice . Oh man , yeah , it's a bummer .
But that's kind of one of the things I think with the hobby that I struggle with a lot is , we are still in that battle of ultimate control and ultimate dominance in terms of interfaces and nobody's sharing . Everyone thinks their shit's proprietary and their shit's better than the next guy , which is kind of sad because their market space is already small enough .
You know , I get the fact that they're pinching pennies , but at the same time it's like they should be playing , you know , in a better space where , like , I don't have to worry about codex , I don't have to worry about proprietary design or desires , because they're trying to gain more market share . It should be ham radio .
We're all freaking tinkerers , like you said . You know we should be also having hardware from the manufacturers that allow us to tinker more and be able to do that open standard stuff . But I don't know . Maybe I don't know what you're feeling on that .
So as an avid Shark Tank fan , I see a lot of times . You know these businesses . They have really great ideas but they have really poor execution and they're just not really good at playing with others .
And I think that there is an existing solution there where you patent your intellectual property and then you say , okay , now , anybody that wants to use this , just give me a cut , you know and it's just that simple , like play play together you know , play together well , did you see ?
I don't know if you saw came . This is a sidebar again . We read another going down here . But um , you see k murder's latest video about helping out who's the guy who developed the Farajay ? No , I haven't seen that one .
He put out a video because the guy who developed the Farajay was curious as to whether or not he should go through that patent process of patenting his Farajay . And then everyone's like you should , you know , you should . Blah , blah , blah . And it's like well , you can't really , because you're using an existing design .
But at the same time it's like why create a patent ? You know , you should really just get the patent pending thing , just so you have at least a leg to stand on , Because I guess the patents today are worth shit in terms of trying to chase them down and get , you know , proprietary payments on .
Yeah , you got to get lawyers and whatnot to to fight the knockoffs , but I don't know , do you have ? You have a good set of lawyers ? I assume you . Except I like to borrow them because I don't have my own lawyers I haven't had .
I haven't had a need for a lawyer since my divorce in 04 .
So well , there you go and even then he probably couldn't help you with patent law . No , so yeah , it's kind of it was an interesting video . Uh , you know , head over there we'll put in the show notes . But uh , he was talking a lot about the patent stuff which is , I think , kind of one of the big things a lot of hams I'm sure struggle with with .
You know , kind of come up with something like this . It's like , oh my gosh , well , if you developed it , you know what would you have to do to be able to kind of keep your ip under control , because in essence that's lot of investment , a lot of time involved with it . And you know that's what you hear from folks like the guys like Flex all the time .
Oh , we had to spend a lot of time and ramp up in design . And you know I remember a few other guys in our club , you know when I was always complaining about why the heck can't Yezu come out with every you know at least two years , a new radio . Why is it every five years ?
And he's like , oh well , they got to catch up on design and development costs . And I'm like really like it takes that much these days to be able to design and develop a radio they've tweaked just a little bit . You know like , come on , like do they have to hire 14 consultants to come up with ? Like hey , let's make the display a little bit better ?
You know why , or not even better just slightly bigger right , exactly slightly . Make that , make it bigger , so we can use words like big , you know big , big , big . You know everyone will buy it , like , oh my gosh , like , and you know , nevertheless you should spend on marketing .
But yeah , that's my another story , for another time , I guess speaking of speaking of ham , genuity and k-murder .
um , I gotta say I I I watched the two videos on the solar panel extension cords . Oh , okay , amazing . I love the data collection that he did .
I love the fact that he was willing to put a little bit of money out there , right , and I think at one point he explained that like , had he bought the proper cables , like it would have cost him about the same as all of the experimenting All the stuff he bought .
Well , that's his typical ham right . You know , instead of the buy once , cry once , we'll spend gazillions of dollars getting to the point of the buy once , cry once .
But , yeah , I thought he did a great job with you know , just showing us the actual data and how it all worked out , and you know , interesting to see .
I'm with you . I haven't had a chance to catch up his follow-up video . I did see that one out recently and we refer to him as K-Murderer for all of our folks . That might not know him , but he's officially called the Ham Radio Tube , you know , so just you know , also known as , according to Frank , k8mrd Radio Stuff .
So you probably can find him in both places , but he's more known Ham Radio Tube . He's got a good channel , I think the solar stuff too . It's right up his alley . It was really cool to see the total volume was from a 10-gauge to 12-gauge or whatever . One odd .
I can't remember what cable he was using , but he was using a regular like 12 gauge electrical cord , wasn't it ? Yeah , but he was using all three wires , oh yeah , so one one one uh 100 foot cord was um 12 and one was 10 , and and the difference between them was negligible .
I think it was , uh , you know , maybe a , maybe an amp oh well , but even then it was still a lot of loss anyway , based off the length of it , Right ? I think it was like the the total length was a problem .
No , by the time , by the time he did the second round where he did all three wires in the in the extension cord all connected together Um the , the losses were super minimal . Even the 100 feet run it was , it was , oh yeah , two amps at most what ?
oh wow , I saw his first one and he definitely had a lot more uh loss over a period of time . But uh , yeah , that's cool . No , that's promising . Not that I'm going to be running a lot of uh . You know those types of scenarios here . If anything , I put something permanent . I'm going to have to put something permanent , but I don't know well .
So you know I I was interested in it because you know I've been watching a lot of videos on , um , solar backup setups and , and you know , keeping things charged in the field and , um , you know , I've got a bank of four batteries , uh , that I I have in my boiler room my boiler room is just off the shack here , um , and you know so those are always
connected to , you know , a commercial charger .
But should the power go out for an extended period of time , those batteries are running my heat and hot water , and so I want to be able to throw the solar panels out the backyard and run a cord through , and so for me that was perfect because it's like , all right , well , now I know what I need to do to make these cords oh nice , yeah , you should look
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Uh , you stuck to the great old ryan . There he has done a full solar setup on his . Have you seen this or seen pictures of his solar setup at all ?
I've seen pictures , and I mean he did all that himself when he does it he does it right yeah , we all know ryan is a by once choir runs .
This is kind of where we we , you know we have heard the slogan and he's applied it very efficiently and very well .
Um , but yeah , he did a full house solar setup and I think you know he's feeding it all back to the grid and you know , pretty much living , you know , happily not paying a dime for electricity , but , um , yeah , his solar setups are pretty slick and , uh , you know , happily not paying a dime for electricity , but , um , yeah , his solar setups are pretty slick
and , uh , you know , kind of inspired me , but , being in an hoa , I can do zero . Like , if I put a solar panel , I'd have to drag it out every day to be able to make it worth the effort , and even then it's probably not worth the effort .
So I , I run some like yourself a little bit batteries , but uh , I'm all generator and and uh , dyno fuel when , uh , the power goes out . So , so much , so much for saving on fossil fuels , I guess .
You know , I don't know . I read a study once at the actual statistic of how much CO2 that we as humans put in the atmosphere is less than 1% . So I don't know .
I believe the actual scientists and not the uh , the hype yeah , the hype and the naysayers , yeah , and I actually just noticed that I'm wearing his cameron shirts .
It's so crazy that we're talking about him .
Anyway , that was not planned . I was just wearing this one , but whatever . Yeah , this is the one of the the og shirts . You cannot get these anymore , from what I understand , and now're now the ham radio tubes . So it is what it is for you , all right .
Well , let's kind of put a bow on this and kind of give our little last-minute thoughts on this , because obviously we're not going to be able to take this process anywhere . It's kind of a pie-in-the-sky thing for us . But we want to definitely thank Jimim for submitting , uh , you know this , this comment and and this question .
And you know , if you have a question like that and you want to share with us and we you want us to talk about the next episode , you know , submit it to us . You can head over to our website at livefreeandhamcom and click our comment form and fill it in there and send it over us anytime .
Um , as long as it's not to ask , uh , you know what size t--shirts we're wearing and whether or not Hammerdale Clubhouse is our favorite clubhouse to watch , but cool , all right . So how do we kind of put a bow on this ? You know what's your kind of thoughts on it ?
You know anything you might want to add to that , or we can just , you know , put this to rest and tell Jim sorry . Well , no .
I would say 100% . I agree , agree with you . Thank you , jim , for the submission . Um , you know , I think we we need , we need good feedback from our listeners , um , and so that's , that's fantastic .
Uh , I truly believe , though , that it is going to be a third party that's going to come up with the solution to this , and so we just need to figure out what it's going to take and who's really good at , you know , some , some programming and and getting that computer and a TNC working together to to interface with different manufactured vehicles , but I , I
believe that it's possible . So , you know , somebody out there is going to going to hear this and they're going to say , yeah , no , I'm going to work on that , cause I can do that Please email us .
I know right , we want to know , we'll support you , we'll rally the troops around you . Yeah , I'm kind of in the same boat .
I think obviously the two big giants in the whole game itself is obviously the radio manufacturers , like Geyser , kenwood and ICOM , and then you've got the vehicle manufacturers and iCom , and then you've got the vehicle manufacturers , and so you've got a big feat in front of you to try to figure out how to take that black box , we'll call it and make it work
between both ways and work in a way that also works with the cell phone manufacturers and their platforms , because , god forbid , apple doesn't get their act together and start opening things up more . You might see more Android when it comes to , you know , ham radio gear , which you know I'm okay with .
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There you go , all right , maybe even Four Roses . I've got a little Four Roses and my bottle's getting empty there . That's bourbon , but yeah , yeah true , yeah , true , right , well , you know , bourbon . Yeah , with that .
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You know , come by , let us know that you're listening and , as always , thanks again for listening , and from both Paul and I and Todd and Spirit 7-3 .