672: The Kernel Is Not a Museum

Hello, friends, and welcome back to your weekly Linux talk show. My name is Chris.

My name is Wes.

And my name is Brent.

Well, hello, gentlemen. Coming up on the show today, your favorite free software projects, they're not taking the summer off. We're going to round up the releases that you need to know about, including some big changes coming to a kernel near you very soon. Then we'll round out the show with some great boos, some picks, and a lot more. So before we get there, let's say time-appropriate greetings to that virtual lug of ours. Hello, mumble room. Hello, hello. Hello.

Hey Chris, hey Wes, and hello Brent.

Hi guys.

Hello.

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I think they did it just for you as well.

No, that's not true at all, but I am very grateful.

I think that took 21 years is what I saw. There was a bug open from 2005.

And I think I've been complaining about that on there for about 21 years.

So have you tried it?

No, because the only machine I have right here in the studio only has one screen right now.

That's true.

I know, it's horrible. I will, though, because Aurora just updated so fast, so I got it right away. But immediately can notice, I hate to use this phrase, but it is snappier.

It is. I'm running it as well.

Oh, you are?

Yeah.

And you agree.

Shout out to the next packages in K900 for the great work packaging stuff there. Oh, I noticed it immediately.

Yeah. Me too.

I didn't expect that.

I didn't either.

I mean, because it's not like Plasma's sluggish.

No. I would not have categorized it as sluggish either. But so this release is the all Wayland, you know, release. And Nate Graham confirmed that 79% of Plasma 6 users were already on Wayland.

Wow. That's a lot.

A lot of Wayland improvements in here. A lot of Wayland improvements.

So like X11's gone for good in 6.8?

Yeah.

Something like early 2027?

Yeah, it's gone for good in 6.8. But look at this. Weyland only remains planned, almost 80% now are on Weyland. Look at that.

That's pretty wild.

I mean, it is really a smooth experience now. I mean, I think it is generally pretty good. They fixed a bug, too, that was impacting Aurora and Discover, which is nice to see. Just one of those little small things that they worked in here. The polish overall is something that people often talk about, but it does seem like every single release, we just keep seeing an iteration on Breeze.

There's some interesting things in place for like what they're calling the union engine they're working on underneath basically they're going to use CSS and then a Rust parser from Servo to like parse that and handle it. And then it's going to be basically like one style to rule them all eventually. It's disabled by default for now. It's a work in progress, but you can see they're doing a lot of work under the hood.

A feature they've added that I think we'll find useful is you can now test your microphone volume right there in the little volume pop-up widget.

Now that is slick.

It's really nice.

There's also a nice little touch here. It looks like the oxygen theme is returning for KD's 30th anniversary. Can you believe that?

30

And apparently it was quote really really in bad shape uh before the restoration which was led by philip phila so if you i don't know they were nostalgic for the oxygen theme uh well there's a modern version now.

Yep improvements to the clipboard manager color lots of performance improvements um gpu rendering optimizations too so you don't have to have a big old gpu to do all this stuff, here's a couple of other just uh quick hits you can now sync your mouse and stylus pointers, an option to set and change preferred to the calendar app, an option to assign keyboard shortcuts to toggling the global push to talk microphone mute throughout the plasma applications.

Absolutely. We live in a different world now. At least it depends on your distro. But you have the options now if you want something that lets you get it real fast. And, I mean, I think it's just also, you know, the project ships quite regular releases now. It seems like that cadence is very well polished. So it works well.

Yeah, shout out to them, too, for that microphone volume test. I think that's going to be really useful for our guests.

Yeah, I thought this was interesting because it's been a while since I've dove into what they're trying to do over there. And there's been a little bit of controversy recently with some of their AI features, you know, and they added an on and off button because of all of the pushback. So I was just curious about like, well, what are they thinking the future of Firefox will be? And it's kind of interesting. Like there's a lot that they're working on in

Yeah. I will note, too, what they've done is this website that you shared with us, which we'll have a link in the show notes. For the features that you can try now, they just have a button here. So they have like this roadmap of features. And if that feature is available for testing, they have a try now button. That's a neat approach.

And they have them by category as well, like productivity. There's privacy controls that they're working on. AI done differently, they call it. That's the category name. Speed and performance, of course, built-in protection, better web stuff, which is an interesting category. So if you're interested in where the browser is going, it's worth looking at. And I just felt good about this. I think having a map like this feels productive. I had totally lost sight of what Firefox was even trying to do.

I guess it answers that question. It's like, what is Mozilla even doing for Firefox?

Exactly.

Here you go. This is what they're doing. They made a what's next page. The thing that grabbed my attention was new web APIs. Wasm.js promise integration, deferred module evaluation, web transport, and more.

Also some CSS improvements to support more stuff there. So all stuff making Firefox better at handling whatever random web page you get.

HDR video on Linux was listed there.

This one stood out to me as well. Pasci support for Firefox Sync. I don't think you would boiler Sync users, but that's interesting.

If you are, you probably want Pasci support on this one.

I'm not using Firefox to manage my passwords, but I do use it to sync everything else. Huh. Huh. Okay. Yeah. Good find, Brent. Thank you.

There's some stuff in there. There's something, you know, it's still doing stuff, which makes me feel a little better.

Wes, you were excited about the SystemD 261 release, and I was looking through it. There are a couple of interesting goodies in here.

Yes, indeed. One you'll notice is the new Instance Metadata Service, or IMDS. Of course, you get systemd-imdsd as part of that.

Gotta have that.

It's a unified way to access virtual machine metadata. In particular, you're going to see this a lot because it interworks with major cloud platform and their metadata services, right? So if you boot up an AWS EC2 instance, then there's an IP you can query and get info about all the stuff, plus all the stuff that's exposed by the virtual BIOS and whatever is programmed in at the virtual machine layer.

I suppose, you know, in my current mindset, where that seems useful would be being able to query it at like a scale and then build an inventory and things like that, right? It sort of almost becomes like an API of information about your system.

And you maybe don't have to do the handling of what's the difference between how Amazon does it or Azure does it or Oracle Cloud does it or Hetzner's in here too or even Volter.

Okay, that's not what I thought you were going to start with.

Oh, you, okay, okay, well, it's finally happening.

Yeah, here we go.

It's finally happening.

Ladies and gentlemen.

Yes, okay, another notable update here is live update orchestrator and kernel handover support in System D.

I thought that's what you'd start with.

And this has been building, there's been, like, other parts of this. This, in particular, includes support for user units and stuff. But the idea is, so there's KExec, right? Who wants to reboot? it's so slow let's just jump immediately to a new kernel without rebooting the system I'm sorry KExec.

Is too slow?

No no KExec's great I'm just trying to say like if you haven't heard about KExec for a while that's what it does okay yeah right instead of doing a whole reboot.

You do a live swap.

Yeah you just load you like load the new kernel into memory and you jump into it.

So you're really avoiding the whole post process and like you know the bootloader.

Mhm, But what's getting really tricky here is the idea, because you're not blanking RAM, right? You're not cycling through things. You can hold stuff in memory, in theory. Like, we don't now. When you reboot the kernel, it's as if you rebooted. You get a whole fresh thing.

Right. We'd played with, like, persistent RAM disks. We'd tried to kind of solve this with a hacky way.

Yes, right. You can, like, tell the kernel to mark memory as sort of, like, don't touch this. It's supposed to be a fake, sort of, as if you had a persistent RAM. But at a more fine-grained level, what we now have with the live update orchestration and the kernel handover stuff is the idea of you can basically declare memfds, which are like memory file descriptors, which is basically just claiming a chunk of memory, right? But it's interfaced as a file descriptor.

Like a handoff thing.

It's a state handoff so it stores it in memory and then it tells the kernel hey when we reboot you need to read like keep the that these bits of memory untouched and then reclaim them and restore them, and then systemd picks up after that and then as systemd goes it does the same and then it's able to hand the memfds back to the service when it boots, and then the service is able to if it has support for this load that back in,

That is so sexy that is neat.

Now it's not doesn't support everything like you can't preserve like a network socket or stuff like that okay but there's a bunch of other caveats so network.

Traffic would get dropped.

Yeah for a bit but but the primitives that this is could enable is pretty exciting yeah everything.

From like emergency infrastructure scaling oh man there's so many things you could do that live swapping to a new system. And continuing your work? Ho, ho, ho! Okay, do we want to talk at all about StorageCTL, a tool that sounds really cool, provides a command line interface for, I would imagine, storage resources. And this is sort of the SystemD mantra, right, of unifying a bunch of things under a common control?

Yeah, there's more and more capability built into SystemD to talk about what storage is on the machine, expose it to you, have APIs around it, and I think, like, format and work with the disk. Because it kind of comes also with SystemD sysinstall, which is a simple, modern, text-based operating system installer.

Oh my god, are you serious?

Yep, it builds on Systemd's existing partitioning, credential management, and system management features. It can copy an OS from temporary boot media like a USB drive. So now Systemd is able to sort of go from, you know, nothing is on your system to it's formatted and partitioned things and also installed.

Again, clearly useful in cloud deployments. Clearly useful in cloud deployments. i have to wonder though if you wanted to roll your own distro say like a hypervibe kind of thing could you could you use something like this um.

Yeah i mean more and more there's just systemd primitives you can build on instead of having to roll it yourself.

Wow so systemd sys install, A modern text-based operating system installer. I kind of want to play with that.

Yeah, me too. I think we should.

So you have to have systemd 261. I mean, this is a big release.

There's a lot in here. There's also some hardening stuff. Something called restrict file system access. It uses a BPF program to restrict execution to binaries stored on signed and verified DM Verity protected file systems. so if you really want to be super strict that like only the binaries I've explicitly signed and told can run on this system another way to make that happen in a secure way with systemd.

So maybe a way for a really lean system or a container that doesn't need the overhead of sc linux or app armor but to still have like just only essentially an allow list.

And you've seen this right like a lot of the we've seen things like the boot c systems more and more are you trying to use systems that do have signed file systems do use DM Verity under the hood. So you could combine that with some of those technologies and have a very secure sort of setup that has fast delivery but can play nicely in a modern enterprise.

Very impressive. And I suppose also noteworthy boys, right? Because we now know that Lenart Pottering, you know, original creator SystemD, he was working at Microsoft for a bit. He left in January of this year. And he co-founded a Linux security startup and this is the first major system D release since he's made that transition and, Do you think you see a reflection in some of these releases?

I mean, I think there might be a bit of a theme.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, a pretty solid release for cloud deployments that are just trying to spin up Linux systems as secure and fast as possible. But I still think there's a lot of primitives that people that are building distributions out there could use as well. It's always interesting, too, how they have thought of a new thing to take over that I have never even considered. I didn't think about building a Linux installer into SystemD.

I will, I will keep an eye out.

That gets me thinking about some of the criticisms people have with system D is like it just does too much and it's too complex, etc. Do you think this is just heading more and more down that path? Because it seems soon we're almost going to have just system D be the OS.

What do you think? What do you think there, Wes?

Um well it kind of depends on how well you think it uh does these things and how much it's, open protocol something you could have other things implement and play with um there's a lot of varlink push in this release for instance so whatever you think of varlink might play into that, you know like is it a kernel feature that systemd is just using that other systems could take advantage of or plug into? Those would be the questions I'd ask.

Yeah, I think the other question is if you were to build an operating system today, would it have this feature?

Hmm. Hmm. That's a good way to look at it.

And if you were, I think, honestly, a lot of these features come because these, are getting deployed in these massive cloud infrastructures and the cloud providers at talks and through emails and through private connections. They just complain about the things that take a long time to do and spin up. Like, my mind was blown when we went to Anisha's talk from Anthropic about spending up 40,000 containers at once and how, you know, something that takes 35 milliseconds ends up adding up big time.

There's also just, you could phrase it, like, how much, oh, there was one thing I should mention, too, let's say. To speak to that, there's something called condition fraction.

Oh.

Which lets you do canary deployments at the service manager level. you can roll out to a percentage of machines by hashing machine id.

Oh this is great for your remember remember forever ago you're asking how to do staged rollouts brent at uh your brother's store there you go wow.

All right.

Solved it for you.

But the other thing do you remember the whole xz uh vulnerability.

Nope forgotten all yeah never.

Heard right yeah so so that involved instead of having something like plugged into the elf metadata saying like oh system d needs uh, xz it was done as a DL open which is like a dynamic way to open a shared library right and, as a somewhat indirect result of that system D wanted to have a system to be able to expose that as metadata so like as part of the build process it would tell you in the metadata and it's a way you could read,

Well, we have been waiting to see what the first quote unquote AI features are that come to the Ubuntu desktop. And we recently got word that it's not going to be quite what you expect. It's going to be more of an accessibility thing, and it's going to be text-to-speech. And this week, we have a much clearer picture of that. They've launched a new project. They say the project will be desktop-focused, local speech-to-text dictation, with the first target release being Ubuntu 26.10.

Well my initial response is this is the way you ship an ai feature you'd be totally open about what it's doing what's under the hood you know firefox kind of, botched that a little while ago with their first features but uh they they do describe you know under the hood it uses speech recognition models running locally on your machine so i think that will make people happy or at least less hesitant maybe of these features, So communicating lots, I think is great. That's what we're seeing here.

Right, Wes, this has to be probably the least controversial implementation of the technology possible, right?

Indeed. And I would say so far, it seems like the reaction from what a little I've seen anyway, but it seems overall positive, I think. I'm taking a look here. Here they have a sort of a test branch where you can see a little of the development. Yeah. And just to be clear, it is named after the minor bird because it's renowned for its ability to listen to, mimic, and reproduce human speech with astonishing clarity.

So this will be interesting from a couple of different vectors, I think. Number one, from like a user experience, what kind of load does this put on your desktop? What kind of memory usage are we looking at? And what does it set sort of the minimum requirements to have a decent experience here? So that's, I think, one vector to consider this under. The other is just, I think, what a hole there is in the accessibility space for the Linux desktop right now.

It's yeah it's it's great to see i'm excited to see what happens uh it seems you know they're making some good progress and it seems like especially as john mentioned he's been on the show that you know they're giving pretty regular updates with the work that they're doing so we'll there'll probably be more to come i do also see it's gpl3 so that's pretty cool.

I have a little bit of a pondering here. And I think, Chris, this is in your expertise. Why? Like, they built their own thing here. And it sounds like Wes, you know, gives it the little approval. But why not use something like what Home Assistant has been working on with their voice stuff and voice input? Do you think that that's a missed opportunity?

Whisper is being used by both projects. So some of the primitives are the same. Uh, so that's good. I, I think, you know, I could see using the bits that do make sense and then building a custom layer for the other parts, um, the interface with the desktop. I think there is like a lot of people that don't know that you have whisper and Piper happening over there at the home assistant community. That is really powerful for text to speech and speech to text and all of that.

And I think that open... I haven't dug through the code base, but I imagine there's an interface that they have so that they're intending... Like, they already support too, so I imagine, like, as other options are available or whatever, like, you'll be able to extend with different ASRs.

Or, I mean, is this some sort of thing that app developers could build on top of and maybe create a screen reader using the backend that Canonical is providing here?

That's a good question.

I think we'll have to just find out if people experiment and build something with it, right? That'll be the question.

That's the open source way.

I guess we'll check it out, right? Because we're supposed to get it, in the next release, you know? Isn't that what they're targeting?

Yep.

I know I wrote it down, but I'm an old man and I can't remember. But yeah, the next release. Yeah, 2610. We don't have to wait that long to try it out. Webroot.com slash unplugged. Webroot is a cloud-based antivirus engineered to stay out of your way. It takes up to 33 times less space than the bulky competitors, and it scans six times faster. So instead of waiting around, you're getting instant powerful protection without the leg.

As happens to us last week, as we are wrapping up the show, Linus announced a new kernel, Linux 7.1.

Huzzah.

Yeah, it's pretty exciting. Linus wrote, normally I try to front load the merge window and do as much possible the first few days, which we're going to come back to the 72. Oh my goodness. Oh, this is so funny too, because spoiler alert, uh, it didn't go this way. He says this time, I'm not sure it's going to work out with my laptop. He didn't think, wow, a couple of long flights without internet, but I've made sure that I have fetched the early pull request. Thank you. You know who you are.

Oh my goodness.

Anyway, possible slight hiccups in the merge window aside, the news today is 7.1. Below is the short log for the last week. Nothing particularly interesting or scary stands out, which is as it should be. It's mostly various smaller driver updates, GPU networking, sound miscellaneous with some networking and trace tooling fixes and random minor changes elsewhere. Well, one of those random minor changes is this major rework to the NTFS driver implementation, which now has full write support.

That is correct. And Linus merged it with the commit message NTFS resurrection.

Yeah.

Wow.

And that's because it's – so, okay, let's put the – This is a long saga. It is.

We should try to maybe do a short version.

Yeah, okay, so there's a lot of different ways to talk NTFS, right, which is the sort of Windows file system. We've had NTFS 3G, which is like a fuse option, which works well but slow.

And is in user space.

Yeah, there has been the traditional NTFS driver in the kernel, which has been there a long time, but it's been read-only. Then in 2021, we got NTFS 3, which was from Paragon, which was previously out of tree, but then they got it merged.

But then...

It kind of has just been rotting in the tree, unfortunately.

Yeah, they kind of left.

And so now this is like a four-year rewrite from the ex-fat maintainer, Namjai Jian, and he took the bones of the original read-only NTFS driver, added full write support using modern kernel APIs like IOMAP, delayed allocation, folios, and now we're getting it, yeah.

A real, true, modern NTFS implementation on Linux after this multi-year saga.

There was a little hiccup. There was a kind of got pulled and then un-pulled because there was some Git structure issues with the commits, but that all got cleared up and obviously it's here now.

I'm going to bet that next week Windows comes out with a new file system.

I don't think so. I don't think so. It's been a while too. Also good to see the Apple Silicon MacBooks getting SMC power driver support for some of the systems, giving better battery and power metrics. Of course, some of that's changing with Mac OS 27 Golden Gate, but it's there. Also, did you see this? In 7.1, 7.1, they mainline support for 12 new SOCs and hardware platforms across ARM and RISC-V and added real-time kernel build support for 32-bit ARM systems out there in the field.

Fascinating.

We not only have real-time kernel support these days, but we have it on 32-bit ARM.

Not 32x86, though.

No. Well, who wants that? There's this small little lining here about Intel FRED being enabled by default for supported systems on Panther Lake, Diamond Rapids, and AMD. It's interesting... So this goes, this is like a 30-year upgrade in a way. I mean, this is already, this is text not new, but just sort of making it the default here is.

I like the name. Larable and Pharonix notes, quote, great news for Panther Lake on Linux and pairs nicely with Panther Lake Intel Idle Driver C-State Editions for Linux 7.1 as well as ongoing Z-Kernel Linux driver development improvements. I feel like the Panther Lake generation of Intel chips might pull me back to the Intel side if I were in the market to get a laptop.

We should at least get to play with one.

The good news for Panther Lake on Linux just keeps stacking up. It's really impressive. Fred's also expected to be used by the upcoming AMD Zen 6 processor and Intel Xeon Diamond Rapid Server processor.

Oh, boy.

I like those names. I want one of those. Nice to see the Steam Deck OLED audio fixes getting now upstream, reducing the need for downstream patches in SteamOS, which is good to see. Oh, no. Oh, no. You should have warned me about this. PCM ICA support has been removed as well as more 486 era x86 support paths.

Yeah.

Well, I still have PCM ICA cards. PCM ICA cards. They were the best Wi-Fi. Look, look, when 802.11b came out, no laptop had that built in. But a guy could get himself a PCM CIA card and he could get himself Wi-Fi. And then if you needed to switch over, you could get double-wide ones with an Ethernet adapter, you could get ones with storage. I feel like it didn't get a chance to live up to its potential, and we shouldn't remove it yet.

Okay, but the upside is, as part of that, we're dumping 140,000 lines of legacy code in the kernel.

Okay, that sounds like a good thing.

You can have this, but you can't take anything else for the rest of the episode from the kernel.

All right, well, we do have some good news from 7.1. It included nearly 13,000 non-merge change sets, contributions from more than 2,000 developers with hundreds of first-time contributions.

That's cool. That's really cool.

I think it was like 300 and some.

Okay, so we opened up with teasing Linus about low-keying what the next merge window is going to look like for Linux 7.2, right? Because now 7.1's out the door, so work never stops for the kernel team. They immediately open up the merge window for the next kernel. And Linus is like, I'm going to be on a flight, going to be working on my battery. Maybe he has a panther, like, I don't know.

Yeah, so there's already been the existing open, which is a system call for opening files. Open NAT2 is this new version of it.

It doesn't allow silly files?

I hate those silly files.

It just gets everywhere. It's a sort of anti-silly system call, if you will.

Okay, good, good, good.

Well, okay, so open NAT2 is the modern version, sorry. Now we're getting open NAT2 underscore regular.

Regular, right, regular.

But it's part of open NAT2. It's basically because OpenI2 supports passing a struct of various things that it's this open how parameter. And so now we have more ways to tell it, you know, be regular.

Yeah, the flag indicates the path should be open if it's a regular file. It's useful to write secure programs that want to avoid being tricked in opening device nodes with special semantics while thinking they operate on regular files.

Exactly. So like there might be times, right, that you need to open a device node or a special file or something under proc or something like that, right? or a pipe, but that's usually a specific point in your program and it's not from generic user input for uploading a file into the browser or something like that.

I think it's mostly important as a flex. Like you can walk up to a Mac user and be like... My kernel only opens regular files. Does your kernel open up strange, silly files? Your kernel might open silly files. You should be concerned about that. You know, like that kind of thing. It's a flex now. I like that. I also like seeing that BTRFS, our buddy ButterFS, is now enabling large folios. Because I think, like, Brent has a ton of those.

Oh, yeah.

By default, huge folios are coming with Linux 7.2. Huge folios.

A folio is a kernel data structure that represents one or more physically contiguous pages.

And a huge one is two megabytes, apparently.

Yeah, because the small ones were four kilobytes. So it's kind of huge, apparently.

It's relative. It's relative.

Okay, Butterfest also gains a new IOCTL for returning raw checksums to user space, a stable UUID for overlay OS-style use cases, and a lot of performance work, including reported sequential write and direct I.O. throughput improvements.

Nice to see.

And our classic buddy XFS has also seen some work.

Yeah, it doesn't just stop at Butterfest. Heck no.

No, no. New zone allocator is now out of experimental status in Linux 7.2. Reminder, you're not going to be getting 7.2 for a little bit, but that's good to see.

Yeah, it's used for zoned storage devices, including those SMR hard drives and ZNS SSDs.

Okay.

Most of the rest is kind of just fixes and minor changes, but EXT4 got some cool stuff too.

Yeah.

It reworked fast commit handling to reduce locking contention, which is always good, and avoid deadlock scenarios, which is even better. Yeah, it's nice to see that. Because you really don't want your file system driver to deadlock.

I mean, you can't claim that extended four is abandoned. It's nice to see that.

No, there's like hybrid journaling path that's being used now for recording metadata deltas instead of always having to write full metadata every time.

Should make things a little bit faster there when updating metadata updates. Just doing a little boom-boom.

Yeah, and directory hash computation is optimized by processing input in four-byte chunks and removing function pointers, which is like a 2x improvement for at least longer inputs.

Ugh, that'll finally get Brent to stop complaining.

Big EXT4 guy.

Yeah, he's been bitching about that for years.

Yeah, yeah. Okay, well, how about this? We were talking about you don't want to open pipes when you don't think you need to be. I do not. But I think many of us run a lot of shell pipelines or use pipes as part of operating on a Unix-like operating system.

Big pipe guy.

Yeah, right? So Linux 7.2 is improving a non-pipe write, the kernel path used for anonymous pipes such as shell pipelines and standard streams. So this change avoids allocating pages, reducing contention between concurrent readers and writers. So if you're passing a whole bunch of data over that pipeline, this could get somewhere between 6% to 28% better throughput, and somewhere between 5% and 22% lower average write latency.

That is significant.

And it gets better when you're under memory pressure.

That's the thing right there. That's really cool. Because that's always when I'm piping. I'm always piping under memory pressure because that's the secret, boys. I'm always under memory pressure. We also have some changes in the crypto driver code. I just want to mention that they have been deprecating for a period of time bits of this interface, that allowed user space applications to call into the crypto API directly in the kernel.

Yeah, that's right.

Remember the good old days? But I guess they've been deprecating this. It must be because it's insecure, I would assume.

Yeah, so you remember copy fail?

No. No, I've completely forgotten that.

Yeah, well, that reason, somewhat reason.

So this is some follow-up from that, huh?

Uh-huh, vulnerability. Yeah. Yeah, this was used in part of that attack. because it has optimizations that kind of let you overwrite memory in a way that one area was treating it as read-only, but now suddenly it's getting used letters right, and you've been able to change it. Essentially, no one is maintaining it, and these optimizations just aren't really worth it anymore, and especially now that we're in the era of a whole bunch of sustained LLM attacks.

Yep, exactly. Okay, all right, that makes sense.

Really, there's kind of a lot of that. Like if you look under the hood, a lot of the things being pulled or kind of reconsidered what the value is has stemmed from that.

Yeah, it's interesting to see the fallout just kind of continue. I said you could not take anything else away from the kernel in this episode, but that one I'm okay with. That one I feel like makes sense. We need to be safe. All right, though, let's just see what we have next here on the list here. The next feature in Linux 7.2 is they are...

Sorry. Let me finish that.

This one was I really didn't want to think about.

It reads here, removing Apple talk protocol support from the mainline kernel. Sorry, Chris.

Why? Why do we have to remove? What? Why? Why? It doesn't hurt anybody. It's a great little protocol for those of us who are enthusiasts that like to have classic machines.

Why?

Why? What is this hurting? It's 4,000 lines of code. It's nothing. It's nothing in the Linux kernel. I just can't stand for this.

Do you, are you going to put some effort into building yourself a fork that maintains this?

No, but what I have thought about doing is, you know, creating a consistent complaining campaign about it, you know, just consistently getting on a soapbox. you think that's a brand.

New segment on the show.

Huh yeah yeah do you think that might help if i just complain a lot i i get it but it it is it is sad to see the removal was triggered they say partially by a burst of, ai generated fixes that was rarely used code that lacked active reviewers so you're telling me it's a victim of slop trimming yep so this is the problem people I.

Had forgotten about it and the.

Slop brought it up. The AI can't consider the art and history, the full context around Apple talk, right? This isn't IPX. Okay. But this isn't like some random Bluetooth 2.0 protocol we don't use anymore for like low bit rate headpieces.

But Chris, the kernel is not a museum. Like we don't need these things in there if nobody's using it.

First of all, shut your mouth. Second of all, listen, man, I got old Macs somewhere around here. i'd love to fire up one day i don't know like if i can't use linux and i can't use maples what am i gonna do.

Oh it does look like they will be maintaining it still in this uh linux net dev out mod orphan module really yeah that's what i see here in the patch for removal, There's also some AX25 and ham radio that are over there.

Oh, the ham guys are getting it too?

Well, they might have already been there. I don't know much about the ham radio driver. It does also say that Apple Talk was removed in OSX in 10-6 Snow Leopard in 2009.

Yeah, I know. It sucked then, doesn't it? And just because they do something wrong.

You've only gotten over that one.

Two wrongs don't make a right, Wes. You know that. You know that. So we can collectively cope. Before the show, I created Apple Talk Rest in Peace sticker, the memorial sticker where we as a community, for those of us that remember, can put it on our machines 1985 to 2026. It just talked different. Stickers available right now on jupitergarage.com.

You want to set this up?

First of all, I know obscurity isn't a thing, but it is a thing with this. Okay, this would be a thing. Second of all, it's so easy. Third of all, it does name resolution, so you don't have to set up home DNS. Yeah? And then if you really want to get classic, you get classic Mac OS, then you go into the Apple menu, you go into chooser. Did you ever have to use chooser?

Yeah. Yeah.

It's a lot of fun. I'm just thinking. I mean, what else are you going to use? IPX, NetBui? Why not use AppleTalk? And then you want a private file sharing network that nobody's ever going to discover and nobody's going to come looking for? It'd be your local little AppleTalk network.

You want to try it out here at the studio?

I mean, I kind of do before they take it away from us. I think it makes sense.

We got one kernel release left.

I feel like this deserves a moment of silence. Do you think it does?

I mean, I'm feeling sad, boys.

We've got a cone for this, and you can just, you know, grieve in the cone if you'd like. Okay, we should totally do this. In the studio. In the studio. We should totally. Come on. Have the whole studio just be Apple talk. Wouldn't that work?

All right, you get over here.

Oh, yeah.

I'm for it. I'm officially approving it.

Do you think if we had like a layer two VPN, we could sort of extend it across the network?

That's what I was wondering is how you would route it. Because obviously you'd want to do that. Could you somehow run it over TCP IP?

Like an Apple talk mesh?

Encapsulate it, exactly. Could you encapsulate it? And then you would run it over your mesh network on top of IP? I don't see why. All right, moving on. Well, we may have something for you in the future. We'll have links to all the new, there's a lot more stuff. We just wanted to kind of cover the highlights and we'll put a link to the new stickers over in Jupyter Garage too, if you want to commiserate with me or flex that your kernel doesn't mess around with silly files.

We've got a special baller boost here this week from hybrid sarcasm the amount is 61,923 satoshis, all right hybrid says i boosted this amount to coder radio when my daughter was born three years ago since it's father's day today i figured i would do that again so happy father's day.

Ah that's great oh that brings back the memories thank you hybrid thank you.

Indeed there's a bit of metadata here too it says uh zap right you guys know anything about that.

Oh but zap right is web boost.

Yeah so that's our first baller web boost i would say oh Well.

It might be. It might be. It might be. It might be. It might be not, though, either. Saltros comes in with 24,000 sats. Hey, guys, no time, long time, no boost. Soltros, we appreciate you. Soltros here. I retired Soltros OS, but I learned a lot. Right now, I'm working on Cabinet, a file locker, because I really don't like using NextCloud. Anyways, I'm very grateful for all you do. You do incredible work with the podcast, and thanks for being you.

That does sound maybe like a very useful thing.

Yeah, that does look nice.

Have something that runs somewhere.

You're sitting on top of like a file share or something like that?

Uh-huh.

Optimized for mobile screens, he says. It can be added to your home screen as a progressive web app.

That's a nice touch.

Well done, Soltros. Well done.

Daja Boo Sin with 9,494 sats. All right, question for you guys and anyone in the community wants to boost in. Do you have any preferred methods of dealing with burnout? I used to get rejuvenated by doing something weird with my home lab or joining in on a JB challenge, going for a hike, or letting my ADHD pick a random new hobby for me. But nowadays, everything seems to just make it worse. Love to hear strategies you guys use.

Such a good question. It feels like you're always having to evolve the strategies.

It does feel like it.

Yeah, I had some answers to this one, but then he mentioned them all as not working anymore. So I don't know. I'd say get a squirrel. That helps.

Are you sure about the home lab thing? I mean, sometimes stacking a dub in the home lab can help. But I think, you know, what I've been trying to do is get outside and do a couple of small things outside. Like I'm trying to, I'm currently fighting the biggest fight of my life with poison hemlock. So every day I try to get out there, do a little trimming and spraying, you know, just stack a little dubs. It isn't related to work. I still think there's something to that.

Yeah, I do agree with that.

I would wonder, though, if there isn't probably some bigger pressures that are just making all this other stuff not as enjoyable. And a lot of times for me when that happens, it's like bad sleep, maybe, you know, not eating well. So like a couple of issues are compounding, usually like three or more. And that's usually when I start to just grind down. And you're going to have to kind of address those.

Yeah, it can be difficult, too, if it's, you know, there's pressures and maybe standards or, you know. It can be useful maybe to try and unpack why the things that no longer give you that, what about them has changed.

Yeah, or if it's not them, it's changed.

You may also consider getting a van. It's a really busy hobby that gives you all sorts of adventures. So that would be my top advice.

And it won't financially destroy you quite as much as a boat.

No, no, no.

Not as much as a boat.

Okay, well, we got a second Daja boost here. I'm going to some feedback on, local models versus cloud models and that kind of thing I'm in a similar boat to PJ as a general rule I don't fully integrate anything into my core day-to-day production until I can own it and run it on my own hardware or a VPSI control yeah probably I've been listening to Chris's to find networking ad reads for too long, but that being said one thing that is handy is that the OpenAI API spec is quickly

I think, too, that we're probably not injecting into the conversation very much is the potential and possibility of people running their own injector that sits in front of these cloud models. Which could be your way to make sure certain secrets or certain things you don't want shared, a way to route between the free available models. There's a lot. I mean, we really could almost do a whole stream just on the, we should do a stream on the injector stuff.

That's a good idea.

Yeah, because there's a lot there that I think would address some of the concerns of our audience. Thank you, Daja. Great boost. Good to hear from you.

There's a boost here from Not Sure. It's a row of ducks. Web boost changes everything. Great work.

Great. Glad you like it, Not Sure. Good to hear from you. Gene Bean's here with 7,777 sets. I am super excited about the U-clock, Chris. I wanted a nice-looking Home Assistant controllable alarm clock for my son. I already have him waking up with lighting in Home Assistant. Until then, alarms have been an Echo Dot thing. I just ordered the clock, and I can't wait to play with it.

That is great.

You know what, Gene? That's such a great—it's so much more useful than the Echo Dot. It's so much more useful. I, again, saved my bacon. This time on the—I think it was the fridge last time. It was the freezer this time, or vice versa. I saved our bacon and the other thing I added was now a three minute warning when the freezer door has been open for more than that's nice yeah just a little warning there on the thing.

I kind of want that.

It's if you clock is great if you don't know what we're talking about I think I buried the lead a lot by putting what is probably one of my favorite gadgets of the year so far casually as a pick last week but sometimes the picks hit, sometimes those picks hit.

Yeah Nathan bussin with 2223 sets.

Love it.

Looking forward to trying windows mcb anything to spend less time remoting in fixing it's s.

You get it nathan you get it that's it oh god when you it was in the clip the moment i realized oh i'm not gonna have to use windows hardly at all ever anymore like it's already rare.

Now it's even more rare.

And also like if a family member really needs help i got an option that's really, that's the one that gets me it's huge.

Well aaron boosted in with uh one two three four five sets, I know it's only ever played in the bootleg of the show, but my favorite AI song you have made is the time-killing song you play sometimes during the pre-show break. Can you share that with the audience somehow? I think it would be fun to use the college acapella group profile on.

I like this.

We do have we have yet to do this. Yeah, it's a fun song.

I've never heard this one before.

It's because you're always out having a break. We play it when you're away from the song.

Is that right? What else do you play when I'm gone?

The song may be all about you for all you know. I don't know. One day we'll figure out a way to post those AA rounds. We do need to figure that out. Just, there's a lot to do. All right, Budai comes in with a row of duck-a-ducks.

Oh, with a flex.

Okay, what do we got here? Here we have LS piped into a word count, eight, which I treat my download. Oh, talking about he's got eight files in his download folder. Finally, I wanted more people to give us this. I want to know. I'm not going to reveal mine until we get a few of these. I treat my downloads folder like slash temp. It even gets cleared on reboot.

Oh, that's wild. I love that.

So eight actually feels pretty high in this case.

I'm going to definitely admit that I do not clear it out on reboot, boys. Let's see if I can just tell you the oldest file in my downloads folder.

Bad to Hi goes on to say, if there was something on there that I needed and got deleted, then I didn't need it that much.

Good point.

Okay. All right. That's not as bad as...

There's a certain zen to it.

Oh, I cleaned up. It's not as bad as I expected. It's going into last year. I'll just leave it at that. If we get more, I might reveal.

I wonder what the mechanism is here. I'd be curious about that.

Mechanism for cleaning?

A little boot script? Yeah, we'd love to know. How are you actually cleaning that?

Just a little RMRF as a boot script. That's not dangerous at all.

Tomato comes in with 5,000 SATs. It's a boost. The one reason I'm sometimes I have to use Windows is when the latest DDRM tools, ah, for the Kindle, stop working with Linux.

Oh.

This Windows MCP thing sounds like it might just save my Unix bacon here.

Nice. I haven't even thought of that. You should let us know how that goes.

I'd be very curious. That is a great use case, Tomato. Please keep us boosted on that one.

Distro Stew boosting in with 12,345 sets.

Okay.

I came to test out the web.

Boost Looking good Nice I don't know why you boosted with Windows XP though That's weird.

And And Here's my Nix router config.

First web boost with a link First web boost with a link boys That's cool We got.

A flake here Ooh.

Router.nix Wonder what's in here Let's go check out that router.nix Oh he's using ZFS On his router I love it That's great Couple interfaces here.

We got DNS mask Yep Oh, uh, Kia for DHCP. Nice.

I could look at these configs all day. I really could. I also like, I'd like to start at the flake and you gotta, you gotta, you gotta go through the main config and then get to the, you gotta, you're jumping ahead. You're going to the end of the book. I gotta say.

Well, I wanted to get to the good stuff. We only have so much time.

Whomever whiz comes in with 9,009 sats. I really wanted to clip some audio for you from the Star Trek The Next Generation, but I didn't even know what episode it was in. I realized, however, the subtitles exist. So instead of just clipping the audio, I made a tool to easily clip dialogue from any video in your library. Check it out. Wecker. W-E-C-K-E-R. Also, you could have just told us the line and we would have told you the episode it's from.

But I love the idea of this tool.

I don't think the repository is public yet, but it's a great idea. Check out. Oh, Quip Clipper. We need this in our lives so bad. we're constantly trying to figure out how we could take little sound bits. So we'd love to keep this thing fresh all the time.

Well, I'm going to sneaky pull one up here. Todd from Northern VA with 1,200 sats. He says, long time no boost, but this is a test boost after resurrecting my node after one plus year of downtime.

Nicely done. Test boost received.

Todd, we know exactly how that feels. We have that problem too.

That's great. Greg the lawyer sent in 50 fiat dollars. Using the web boost to say, keep up the great work. Thank you, Greg.

Thank you.

Nice to hear you. What kind of lawyering do you do, Greg? Always love to know that kind of stuff. That's awesome. Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

Carl N. comes in with $25 via Zapparat Fiat.

Woo! Bah, bah.

Easy in my guild for writing on the self-hosted membership deal for so long. Thanks for clinker therapy. Really enjoyed it.

I'm glad you liked it. Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

Well, Brad sent in 20 fiat dollars. I enjoyed the Clanker Therapy recording and all that Hermes info. More links and examples would be appreciated. Love the easier to contribute web boost option with this fiat.

Awesome. Thank you. Sire came in with $5. Finally, a great way to spend my hard-earned fiat currency. Yeah, get rid of that dirty fiat. Throw it at us. That's fine. We had a couple of member boosts come in too.

More than a couple.

Yeah, it's new.

It's new.

It's new. So we should expect that.

Uh-huh. It's exciting.

Now, some of you decide to go anonymous. You can put your name in there in the field. It is all right. We would still like it. Anonymous boosts in with two boosts here. IDK about folder numbers, but I do know my Bitcoin numbers. And with Bitcoin under 100K, USD member boosts are a steal. But will you increase membership prices when the price goes above 100,000? We haven't really ever adjusted. I mean, if you think about it, I think at one point it was around 16 or so when we started.

Yeah, true.

And we've always just kind of kept it what it is because we don't really denominate in dollars. We denominate in sats. So it's just a sats a sat really is kind of how we think about it. But I suppose anything's always up for reevaluation if you have a better idea. Somebody sends us a really great idea. You know, why not?

Mm hmm. Ah, TimeKillerTK comes in with a member boost.

Ooh, I like that name.

Long-time listener since the days of TechSnap with Alan.

Right on.

Loved Clanker Therapy? Please do more. Zip code boost?

Oh, great. All right, so we got a zip code boost and a plus one for Clanker Therapy.

Yeah.

Okay, so here's the numbers, Wes. Three, three, three, L-E.

Oh.

No, no, you missed a three.

Oh, did I?

Yeah.

How many three? I need to know the right number of threes here.

Oh, the blurry vision. It looks like three threes to me.

Brent, how many threes am I working on?

There's four threes. There are four threes.

One, two, yeah. It says three, three, three, three, L-E.

There are four lights. There are four lights. It is true.

Okay. Well, my man.

Are you playing on your map? I don't quite.

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't hear it, Wes. Oh.

Oh.

There it is.

For a minute there, I thought he had a silent map.

Yeah, well, he did for a while.

Okay.

What you got there, Wes?

If I've picked the right continent, you never know. It is in the town of Zwingsdrecht, in South Holland, Netherlands.

Sounds probably just like you. Nice.

I probably butchered that, so tell us, boost back in. Thank you, Time Killer.

Thank you, Time Killer. Appreciate you.

That's great.

All right, Bradley.

Gong Fuja boosted in a member's boost.

Hmm.

Loving the content and extras for members. I actually agree with producer Jeff here on the idea of using AI. I agree it is helpful and open source will catch up in the end, but I don't like short cutting knowledge and not really learning it as a result, especially when things go wrong.

I think we had an interesting follow-up chat today on that. PJ has really been diving in deep on the local model stuff. We've got a good local model combo in the bootleg today. So I'd like to know what you think, Gong.

And I think part of, you know, playing with the tools is learning how to set them up so that it does work for you, right? So you do find the right, like, where do you offload and where do you inspect or follow up or gatekeep or, you know, like, where do you set the gates in your workflow and which pieces do you focus on? And that'll probably be different for a lot of different people.

What are you really trying to get done? That really is the defining thing which you'd expect from a local model right now.

Well, and like you can have different, you know, some folks might vibe stuff up and throw it up and test it. it's kind of smoke test it live but you you could you know have a proposing architecture and then you walk through every piece with it and then it sets it up you know you could do take totally different approaches in terms of like how involved you were at each step.

Sensor smile comes in with a member boost long time listener since 2013, first time booster call me a curmudgeon but i'm not going to try crypto in this life after hearing all these boosts all these years i can finally send in a Message as a member. I'll be sure to send some USD when I can in the future. Thanks and keep them coming. Glad to make it happen for you.

Amazing.

Sensor smile. Welcome to the Boost Club.

Uh, whomever wheeves boosts in here, um, maybe it's a follow-up boost from before because one cool thing I did with Quip Clipper was batch export all the lines from TNG.

Resistance is... No way! You could batch line all the Resistance is Feudal lines?

Oh my goodness.

It works perfectly with only a few clicks, and I also made it so you can export just the center channel.

That is legit.

Oh, wow.

What? I was just saying that!

You sure were.

That is so good. Yeah, look at this. He sent us some copies of it, too. That is good work. Well done, sir. So he's got all the resistances futile now? I'm jelly. Aw, Hugh. Aw, that's nice. That one's a good one.

Yeah, you should. You got to send us an updated link because we got, I think, maybe just your GitHub profile, but not, I want to try this.

Yeah, that is wicked, dude. That's great. Who's next?

Marcel.

All right. Marcel comes in with a free member boost. You can read higher voltages with it. Oh, good. Yes, with using an ESP resistor divider. It basically maps 0 to 12 volts to 0.3 volts. Yes, I do know about this. It's not my preferred way to measure this voltage. Brent, we've talked about this before. It's not quite ideal.

Yeah, we did play with this when we were doing that diesel heater reverse engineering because we had several strange issues. And voltage was one thing that helped with diagnosing a bunch of stuff. So we did use a resistor to do exactly this. But you kind of end up, I think, in the car with diagnostics and stuff, you end up with like, remember, Chris, I had like wires everywhere and like little tiny components and resistors and like transistors and stuff.

So mostly a packaging issue.

I also wonder, could there be a slight resolution loss?

Yeah, that's a good point.

Because we're looking at really micro measurements here.

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. So that's something to consider. Depends what you're doing.

But Marcel, I think it's in the category of worth me playing around with because I think I have most of the components I need to actually try it. so.

I like that marcel's clearly paying attention because there's this line there's lots of online calculators or i'm sure data could help you.

With it he was paying attention but i like this last line.

Uh just be careful because you could easily fry the esp with that 12 volts he got over there.

Yeah that is true.

Have done which is another thing to consider perhaps in that you have to just navigate that with part of the setup.

I i think you know my route's probably going to be a meter that has a usb port on it that can talk to a linux box it's just there's the perfect devices available if you're in europe that are just exactly what i'm looking for but with with taxes and shipping to get two of them, is almost 300 and they're like 40 to 60 devices if you do the conversion.

Should you just toss a link in here i'm curious.

Yeah i need to find them um they're It just, you know, like when you have like a dream device, it's funny that it's like a $50 device or something like that. And that's, we'd love to have two of those. It's just the way the world works right now. Tomatoes here with a member boost. I'm trying out the free web boost, but I have to say boo for the cloud flare

Greg, the lawyer member boosts in, boosting in to say, keep up the good work.

Thank you, Greg. Hello. And again, thank you.

We also have a leaky canoe member with a members boost. Plus one for topical live streams off the main feed. I followed Chris, Chris's lead after the clanker therapy stream and set up a multi-agent setup and deployed wrappers for the critical functions. I want my agents to accomplish. However, I'd like to ask, how do you handle when your agents are, quote, moving too fast?

It's usually a gap in the skill. And so they're just kind of going off on their own and trying to figure it out, just using tool calls and whatnot. So you might see if maybe there's a little more implicit instructions you can give in the skill. Any thoughts on that, Wes?

Yeah, maybe more some sort of gate or interaction point. or.

Yeah approval gates are good too if they're having a problem you could always say okay stop here and you know put approval gate in that does work pretty well and that's sometimes the way you can work through the problem.

I also like if you you know if you make them work in super small increments and maybe you could have checkpoints or have them at regular intervals use various you know other agents or sub agents for review as a way to sort of quote unquote slow things down yeah.

Let us know how it goes, Leaky. Stuart comes in with a member boost, saying excited to see a web boost option. Getting AlbiHub set up has always been on my backlog. I'm sure I'm going to get to it eventually, but this is nice in the meantime. I found self-host about six months before it ended, and I decided to come over and give LUP a chance. Been a fan since. Well, I'm glad you did, Stuart.

Nice.

Nice to hear from you.

Well, this one's from Pavel, who's a friend from Berlin that I met. testing this good old member boost functionality.

It worked.

Good to see you.

Bobby member boost in woohoo less friction more inclination to boost thoughts to that end i'm beginning to get it ai i mean been playing with some of the stuff you talk about burning question though are you running llms.

Locally isn't that always the burning question if so.

What is that magic hardware want to self-host where possible.

Don't we all that's been one of our kind of two week theme conversations in the bootleg is like what can you actually do locally and the answer is not a lot right now getting to be better.

But we have a producer actively researching.

Yeah pj's on the case and uh he's reporting back good question also shout out to zippy frog did a test boost and space warlock came in with a member boost his first boost, This is great. I haven't found an iOS Matrix client I like, and I'm not usually at my desk during the live streams. I've been hoping for this ever since you did Texas Linux Fest last year. Thanks for getting this figured out. Thank you, Warlock.

Thank you.

Nice to hear from you.

Hey, props to Chris, who got the whole front end done.

Oh, please. It wouldn't be anything without the fancy back end and reporting, Westpain.

Scuffed member boosts in. Free member boosting check-in.

Yeah.

Nice. And then we got Jimmy member boosting in. Okay, this is one I've been looking forward to.

Okay.

It's dressed to me, so this is appropriate, at Wes. Do you remember how Chris fell in love with another man's van? Are we really sure it is another man's van? I'm a bit fussy on details, you see, but I'm pretty sure it's not actually another man's van. How did it cross the border? Who's it registered to? I suspect it's actually Chris's bank bus.

Well, I mean, it depends on the technicalities. you know jimmy just technicalities there technicalities uh, it's right now it's the internet's bang bus let's be honest it's the internet, it's everyone now if it ever makes it back i have no idea.

Well you you got to make that tempting you know.

Put on the sugar uh-huh.

Well chupacabra came in with a free members boost.

Hey.

Clanker therapy was fire.

Thank you.

While the stream was loaded with information, I'm experiencing the blank canvas syndrome. What would be a good next step on a fresh Nix OS system? I was thinking of unleashing clod code over SSH and let it loose with, I want to deploy Hermes agent. Let's cook.

I mean, why not? But, you know, I've said this before, but what has been supremely useful, and whenever people say, I don't know what to do with the agent, I think you don't have anything you self-host. You don't have anything annoying that you have to, like, move information from one spot to another. It's super handy to put it in front of your self-hosted services.

Also have a lot of fun playing with um having it use like a text-to-speech thing so like something like pocket ttsa there's a bunch of options so that could be another thing fun.

Thing news briefs and stuff like that can be a lot of fun.

I would also argue that if you have a project that you've been meaning to do for like a year, maybe two, maybe five, have at her, right? Let Hermes just kind of suggest what to do with it or tackle it completely for you and get that thing done.

Start chewing away at it. Start it. Start it. Let us know how it goes. You know what I'm saying? Let's do it. All right. Anton comes in with a member boost. All right. Long-time listener member since around 2012-13. Hey-o! Nice. First-time booster. Hey-o! Not a fan of cryptocurrency, so the web boost is awesome. Thanks for all the years of great shows. Hope there are many more to come. Any chance the message limit could be longer than 300 characters?

It is a balance.

It'd be interesting, like, occasional member extra long. Oh, yeah. Thank you. Appreciate it. Nice to hear from you. Thank you for the long-time support.

And our final member boost today, which is our last boost, from Hi5Connoisseur.

Hey, Hi5.

So excited about the web boost and the member boost, I fell off of AlbiHub due to the cost of opening the channel and, well, my addiction to PocketCasts. Great work, as always.

You know, I used to be a big PocketCast user. I can't go back. I thought about it recently. I'm like, no, I'm very happy.

Yeah, same here, actually. It's not that it's bad.

No, yeah, it's good. Thank you, everybody, members, boosters, and streamers. We had 20 of you stream sats. Collectively, you sat streamer stacked 25,922 satoshis. Thank you very much. Now, since this is all new, what we think we're going to do, just to make it one final line number, is we're just going to convert the Fiat Boost to sats for the total at the current price values. We don't really know the best way to, since it's two different,

Yeah, that combined to make a total of 39 boosts.

Woo!

And some streams, of course.

That's awesome, of course. Yeah, 20 of you. Thank you, everybody, who supported the show with a boost or a membership. It's kind of neat to bring it all together in this segment. Finally, it's feeling like it's really happening.

Thank you for trying it out.

Yeah. I mean, this year of shows since the beginning of the year would not be possible without your support. We continue. And even if at this point the show were sold out going forward, the deficit that we have dug ourselves into, we would still absolutely need your support to survive. It is. And it only compounds as the year goes on. So thank you so much. It really does make a difference. And we enjoy hearing from you. It's our favorite segment of the show.

Yeah, that's right. You know, Miracast especially has been one of those things that just has floated around forever, but I've never actually been able to take advantage of or try. Obviously, I Chromecast all kinds of stuff. I have used DLNA on and off over the years. And of course, there's various ways to do that. But I thought like a nice little focused app that could just let you stream your desktop would be pretty handy.

It does look really nice. Pretty straightforward. Supports KDE Organome and Wayland. So if you're on the Wayland desktops.

You can also get it. You can just since it's a Python app, so you can set it up that way. Or there's an app image.

Ah, and it's GPL 3.0 as well. fluxcast streams your linux desktop to a tv they have a great video demo of it and, it's it's almost anticlimactic it's so straightforward and simple right because especially if you're using the chromecast combo it just works the tv detects it if you're on the same land and you're just streaming your desktop to the tv like no big deal uh and they have a video embed up on.

There are some issues like some samsung tv cast stuff has issues so it.

May not be perfect for.

Your exact devices you have to give it a go but hopefully it's easy to try.

Something tells me the chromecast probably going to work best, followed by DLNA, then Miracast, and then it's going to drop off from there pretty quick. But that's pretty neat to see, and it's nice that it works great with modern desktops. So I doubled down again this week. I'd kind of gotten out of the habit of backing up my legal Audible purchases. I've had an Audible membership since Audible was a company. And...

Yeah, this looks nice.

I like it a lot. It's clean. It's easy to use. And if you're so inclined, it's very straightforward to have an agent sit in front of.

Yeah, it seems like a well-maintained, up-to-date Python app.

And using UV again.

And it's already in Nix.

Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Which made it very easy for me to get up and going with it. And then you could combine it with something like import to audiobookshelf. Our buddy Steve Ovens from the Ask Noah podcast has a utility that takes books which you legally purchase from Audible and then moves them over to your audiobookshelf instance. We've talked about audiobookshelves in the past. Fantastic app. And Steve's made a tool to manage that. There's a couple other things out there.

Well, I've got a sort of just sneaky final pick here.

Oh, I love it. Sneaking in.

Yeah, because whomever whiz popped into the Matrix chat to give us the correct link to Quid Clipper.

Oh, good.

So I can actually now see Quid Clipper is MIT licensed, Find and cut lossless clips from movies and TV by searching the subtitle dialogue. There's a command line tool. But then also, like, it looks like there's a whole web interface here or an app interface.

What?

Wow.

Somebody's been busy. Boy, talk about the pivot. This looks awesome. I'm looking at the interface pictures right now. Library browser, dialogue search, folder dialogue search, scrolling script view, stream selector, lossless clipping, bookmarks, clips as first class items.

Batch export. There's NixOS support down here.

Oh, this is looking real good.

As well as Docker. Yeah, it really is. And the CLI part as well. I think we'll be giving this a try.

Chris, you've been asking for this once a week for about a year now, I think.

I think he was reading our gosh darn minds. All right, we'll put a link to that

Oh, yeah, well, like, maybe if you want to try to use this tool on something like a podcast, like our podcast, I don't know if it will work, but we do provide SRT and VTT files right there in our XML RSS feed, as well as our Cloud Chapters JSON, of course.

That's true. Another pro tip.

Oh, and there's an MP4 file out there lurking, hidden in the feed.

We should probably tell people that at the beginning of the episode. Yeah, we should. Yes, but there is indeed an MP4 file out there. And another pro tip, shows live.

And that's also in the feed.

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