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626: The Btrfs Blues

Aug 04, 2025β€’1 hr 9 minβ€’Ep. 626
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A Btrfs bug that bites is in the wild, and we discover whole home audio that works like a charm.

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⁠¢ Intro

Chris

Hello, friends, and welcome back to your weekly Linux talk show. My name is Chris.

Wes

My name is Wes.

Brent

And my name is Brent.

Chris

Hello, gentlemen. Well, coming up on episode 626 of your Unplugged program, we're digging into a Butterfest bug that is biting people in the wild right now. So we want to get the word out there as fast as possible. Then, over the week, I discovered how to actually get whole home audio that's working. And it's working like a charm. And there's a little extra twist in there, too. So I'll tell you about that. Then we'll round the show out with some great boos, killer picks, and a lot more.

So before we get into all of that, let's say time of props to our virtual lug. Hello, Mumble Room.

Wes

Hey, Chris, here we're St. Hello, Brent. Hello, gang.

Chris

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Wes

I have.

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Wes

Yes, I'll be giving a talk at Nix Vegas at DEF CON this year. So if you'll be going to, you can find me there. Come check it out. We'll be talking about mesh sidecars for NixOS services. And then an attempt to find other people in the chaos, if anyone's interested, I think I'll try to post up at the Casbar Lounge on Saturday around 6.30 for an hour or so, just for a sort of office hours.

Chris

Nice, simple meetup right there. no meetup page required just where is it?

Wes

The Caspar Lounge in the Sahara Hotel at what time? 6.30.

Chris

On Saturday so if you're in the area or.

Wes

You can I don't know ping me on Matrix.

Chris

You don't even have to be at DEFCON if you're just in the Vegas area that's true too come say hi to West Payne absolutely Brent and I can attest he's a delight to hang out with at a bar or at dinner, wherever it is so do recommend you go check it out and where do they go for details is it nix.vegas is that do they have a website that's right yeah nix.vegas slash schedule There's a dot Vegas?

Wes

Of course there's a dot Vegas.

⁠¢ Replay my Regression

Chris

So we wanted to talk about a file system corruption issue that is affecting ButterFS users on more recent kernels like 6.16 and 6.15.3. And we are now at a point with ButterFS adoption where there's enough leading-edge kernels and users out there and distributions that are actually deploying and testing these things kind of right as they ship. And thanks to them, we've discovered there's a bit of a problem going on that has left some systems unbootable.

Wes

Yeah, it turns out there's a lot of root file systems out there now, too, which is a great thing. We know how much we like it, except if, you know, your root file system won't mount.

Chris

That's not good.

Wes

No.

Chris

Yeah, so the bug itself didn't do any damage to the data, but it did prevent the system from properly mounting the root device.

Wes

Yeah. Okay, so copy-on-write file system. We're also aware, generally, right, like ext4 is a journaling file system. And these journals are something like what's known as a write-ahead log in the database world or ZFS has the intent log which is somewhat different but very similar also. The idea is for data consistency and crash consistency you can write the things that you're doing especially because with copy and write let's say you're updating our show notes a markdown file well what happens?

You make a new copy of that so you can do snapshotting so you have all the features we love but there's also this tree structure and you have to kind of go update all the tree to make sure that like all the way at the root when you go to like you know ls that directory it actually points at that updated copy and not the old copy, but the snapshot version has it so there's a bunch of bookkeeping and updates you need to make just for that write,

and what happens if you crash in the middle so the idea is you make a note that you're like I'm going to do this update, and then you flush that to disk and then you can move that out of the log but if you crash in the middle you can see from the log oh i hadn't finished that and then you can kind of check to see like do i need, Can I fix it? Can I just replay that? Most of the time, if you have an unclean shutdown, it just automatically replays that journal from the log,

brings your file system back to a clean state. You don't even really need to know about it.

Chris

So a handful of users, like on CacheOS and Fedora, where they're getting pretty current kernels and they're using ButterFS on the root, they experienced some sort of crash, and then when they reset their system, they couldn't boot.

Wes

Yep, you just get an error that it can't replay the log, which means it sees that there is data there. For some reason, your file system, whether it was like a total shutdown, forced shutdown, or maybe something just happened on the fly before as it was shutting down, you have stuff in that replay log.

And so, of course, it doesn't want to just drop that because you could have, basically, the amount of data loss you could have if you didn't replay that is roughly constrained by how often you're doing these background commits sort of flushing to the disk. Usually it's like 30 seconds, maybe it could be a couple of minutes if you have some configuration or doing tons of fsyncs or lots of disk I.O. or something.

And so what the fix ends up being in terms of just like I want to get my stuff going again is you run butterfs rescue which is a whole sub command for rescue commands, and then 0-log and that pretty much does what it says clear the tree log and.

Chris

You essentially do that from a live environment because if you were to say to boot into a live environment you wouldn't be able to just mount that file system because of this.

Wes

Problem no anytime you mount it it's just going to complain with the same thing I think there is also a mount option you can do to say like skip replay.

Chris

And so now this is sort of splitting hairs, but this is technically not a ButterFS bug so much as it is something kind of related to a series of other patches that kind of led to this issue. Am I following this right?

Wes

No, so it is ButterFS.

Chris

Okay.

Wes

It's just, it kind of has an interesting history.

Chris

Yeah, okay. That's what I was trying to follow, and that's a piece I wasn't getting. Yeah.

Wes

So it all goes back to 2018, actually. A commit called fix warning when replaying log after fsync of a temp file. And the thing with temp files is they're, they generally like they're meant to be discarded at reboot, right? And so they don't actually like have any extents on disks. They just sort of have like the inode for tracking and they can live in memory and the cache and all that, but they don't actually make it to the disk. Right. And so they were running into some warnings.

So they went to go patch this up. And to do that, they made essentially two changes. One, because you basically have two sides of this. When you're going to do an operation, you write into the log to say, like, I'm about to do X, right? I'm about to delete this temp file.

Chris

So before I take the action, I log that I'm going to take the action.

Wes

Exactly. And then you have the state where you're booting up and you're mounting the file system and you're replaying that log if there's stuff in there that hasn't been synced with the disk yet. So in this case, what they did was they said, all right, well, we don't really care about these temp files in the log anyway, so we'll stop adding new stuff to the log going forward. And when we're in replay mode, we'll just skip these because they're going to

end up getting deleted anyway. We don't care about them. the problem, which was not apparent at the time, because basically...

Chris

Back in 2018.

Wes

Back in 2018.

Chris

When they're writing this patch.

Wes

There's multiple different stages you can be in replay. And so there's one called replay inodes, and that's where they sort of did this skipping. But there's another one called replay all. And then it turns out that the way this change was made, it didn't apply during that stage.

But because they were also making the change at the same time where they were just not going to add that stuff to the log anymore, the only way you could trigger it back then was if you were somehow, like you had upgraded your kernel and had an unclean, or you were mounting something unclean shutdown from an older kernel.

Chris

Okay. So this is the bit. So then later on, there was like an additional patch that compounded this problem?

Wes

Yeah. So just in May, it started and got picked up and added to 6.15.3 and 6.16.

Chris

Uh-huh. So that's why it's in the most recent kernels.

Wes

Yeah. So then we noticed a problem that it turns out by not, just by no longer putting this, like these temp file stuff in the log at all, it meant that we could have a problem where we actually left them undeleted like they were still kind of hanging around in like when you did have an unclean shutdown the accounting kind of was broken the other way where instead of like losing stuff it would keep stuff you were trying

to delete around okay so not a huge issue but it's like incorrect behavior according to how do you expect the file kind of crufty over time yeah uh exactly if we f-sync a file that has no more hard links because while a process had a file descriptor open on it, the file's last hard link was removed, and then the process did an fsync against the file descriptor, after a power failure or crash, the file still exists after replaying the log.

Chris

Okay.

Wes

Right? So they'll fix this by not ignoring inodes with zero hard links. So now we're putting that stuff back into the log again.

Chris

Okay.

Wes

And that means suddenly this issue, which had actually technically sort of been there since 2018, can now be hit again. Fairly easily it turns out i mean you still kind of need something to happen weird with the file system where you have stuff to replay it has to be triggered.

Chris

By some kind of event.

Wes

Yeah it.

Chris

Doesn't just happen if you've got butterfs and it's running and you have 616.

Wes

You basically need to be in a state where it finds stuff in that replay journal when it's booting up and mounting the file system my.

Chris

System upstairs by the way is on linux 616 and it is butterfs on root so that's why i was curious if yeah that's it has to be i'd have to crash or something.

Wes

Yeah crash or yeah maybe i don't know Some application dumps. Yeah, kernel has a problem and it forces the file system offline without doing it correctly.

Chris

Out of memory kills something. I mean, you never know.

Wes

So it gets like, this gets thrown out there sometime in May in the Linux ButterFS lists and then eventually gets pulled in for 6.16. And then once that kind of gets, was pushing along, it also gets backported to 6.15.3.

And you can see it's just this one commit from there that like as 6.15.3 started rolling out pretty much like by a week later or so, kind of the end of june 26 27th cache eos users were some of the first folks who really started running into these things and then by like july 7th or so uh a kernel mailing list thread gets going and people start trying to it's a good collective effort the cache folks arch folks they're all kind of like.

Chris

And butterfest developers.

Wes

Yeah they're reaching out to the butterfest devs who are kind of like well we really need d message output or like more than just you know sort of like the the one error they.

Chris

Had to work out like a standard operating procedure to get these systems and these file systems back up so they could pull logs. Like, they had to come up with procedures and processes they could communicate to people.

Wes

And then kind of by proxy, right, where, like, the distro folks are talking with the kernel folks and getting what the kernel folks needs and then reaching out to the users they're doing end-user support for to, like, tell them how to get this data and shepherd it around. But eventually enough stuff throughout July kind of comes together that there's now a fix out there that correctly does this skipping and replay of these temp files in all the stages that are actually necessary.

Chris

Okay, so I basically just need to keep an eye out for a kernel update.

Wes

Yeah, but that got proposed to the Linux ButterFS list, so presumably that will get... Pulled into 6.17 and then presumably backported as well, but that's all going to take time.

Chris

And in the meantime, if this were to happen to you, you could go into a live environment, run that rescue command, and you'd be alright.

Wes

Yeah. The only data loss you should be risking is, like we were saying, is just whatever had been sort of not flushed to disk yet as the unclean shutdown was happening.

Brent

Do we have a sense of how many users have been affected up to now? And I would imagine because of the fixes we're not going to see too many more users being affected as well?

Chris

My sense is it's less than a thousand but i don't know.

Wes

Yeah i don't know because it's kind of like you have to have some event that triggers it and you have to be on 6 16 or 6 6 15 3 or newer and.

Chris

With butterfest's root yeah yeah.

Wes

I mean it could be on a not it could affect a non-root file system just it wouldn't break your boot you.

Chris

Know who i think it's happening to the most is users that game and then the game crashes their system.

Wes

There's been multiple reports of that yeah that's.

Chris

The seemingly the most affected because that seems to be what crashes linux the most i don't.

Wes

Know definitely folks who've self-reported also having sort of known sketchy power supplies or sorts or situations sure that'll.

Chris

Do it yeah.

Wes

Uh it is worth calling out here uh this has all been uh the initial issue as part of fixing a bunch of other stuff this has all been the same person's work across the years uh felipe manana from seuss has been oh responsible for fixing up all kinds of butterfs issues and working on the file system and it just works out that like he was the person who made the change in 2018 and the one that made it more apparent now and is the person who figured all

of that out and made an excellent explanation and commit in the fix to patch it all up so props there for sure and it's exactly these kind of things that make file systems you know so hard to debug i mean he he's been proposing tests you know test cases and stuff as going for all of these stuff so it's not like they aren't testing it's just especially with situations of power failure and like there's all kinds of failure points where you can't have

happen to the file system and take cases edge cases that are just hard to test so it's a community effort to squash those bugs.

Chris

Thank you for digging into that I was aware of just bits and pieces of that and I wanted to get that info out at the top of the show because like my system just updated 6.16 Fedora users are updating so it's something to be aware of.

Wes

ButterFS is still safe to use.

Chris

So let us know does this give you any pause using ButterFS.

Wes

Did it bite you? Maybe I hope not. But if so, please tell us.

Chris

I'm kind of also just generally interested in file system war stories. It really seems like it hasn't been a problem as much these days, but maybe I'm wrong or maybe you have one from the past. Boosted, it's a great way to support the show and we love reading those messages.

Wes

It is kind of funny. Just, you know, of course it's the mechanism in the file system to be robust that is in fact causing the problem.

Chris

It is. And it also just shows you how complicated kernel development is and as things get integrated into the kernel there's a lot of other second order effects is what I'm trying to say It's.

Wes

Not just what you change, it's all that changes around you.

Chris

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Brent

Well, Chris, you teased about whole home audio, and when I've been in Lady Joops, that has typically been a proprietary system, but something tells me things have changed.

Chris

I am so, so... So ashamed of my love for the HomePods. And my whole home audio solution has been HomePod audio for years now. And it's embarrassing.

Wes

I mean, you're a Big Mac guy.

Chris

Yeah, it's really great because of the ecosystem. I love the ecosystem, Wes. It's just, it has been a shame of mine. And I wanted to solve for this for a while.

I've been looking for a long time for a whole home audio solution where I can put speakers anywhere in my house using whatever device i want and then be able to play synchronized audio across all of them and then ideally create subgroups for like the living room and you know different rooms where maybe you want different content or you don't want music playing.

Wes

Right yeah your wife's having a nap in the back.

Chris

Room you're.

Wes

Trying to get some work done you wouldn't mind listening to a podcast while you do it.

Chris

Actually that is that is one of the number one use cases wes you'd be surprised and so i have dabbled in a lot of different things we have dabbled in a lot of different things but i've never felt confident enough to come on air and say, this is the solution that you should implement in your home. Because I've wanted something that was really flexible and nothing really matched it. I finally this week gave Music Assistant a go. And it's a library manager for your offline and online music sources.

I'll get more to that here in a second. And then you can stream to a wide range of supported players and you can combine them and mix them.

And then as the name kind of implies if you want though it's optional you can also integrate it into home assistant and i'll talk about more of that later so music assistant itself has the music assistant server, it also has what it calls music providers so you can import from various sources it has player providers so you can play music on a wide different range of ecosystem from like dlna devices sonos devices, Chromecast devices, AirPlay devices,

Home Assistant voice preview devices. It goes on and on. And then they also have plugins, so you can add additional functionality in there. And the thing that I think I didn't appreciate about Music Assistant until I started using it is how well it integrates local sources with remote sources. Calling it Plex for your media is way underselling what this thing is capable of. Plex wishes it could do this.

So first of all, I have a Tidal account. It was exceptionally easy to integrate it into Tidal. If you're logged into your Tidal account, it's just a would you like to authorize app. It synchronizes all your playlists. So this is nice because my wife creates playlists pretty frequently. And then they are immediately available on the music assistant within the next time she goes to use it.

Wes

That's great.

Chris

It supports the high quality playback. But it also easily integrates my local flax. And then another source that is exceptionally useful is it supports audio bookshelf servers directly.

Wes

That's killer.

Chris

So all my audio books are in there. And I'll get more to that in a moment.

Wes

Were you able to just do like a point it at a folder? How does the, for your flax, like that source?

Chris

Yes. So you have a lot of options there. You can point it at a SambaShare directly or just a local. And in my case, it was just on that local box. It was just a local file system.

Wes

Sure.

Chris

That I just brought into the Docker container.

Wes

Nice.

Chris

So there's lots of options for your speaker endpoints with Music Assistant too. And one of them that a lot of us have out there is Chromecast. And it works really well with Chromecast. And it can be anything like one of those stupid little Google, you know, assistant display boxes, or it can be a Chromecast hanging off your TV. Or if you're lucky enough to have a Chromecast audio, that works.

Wes

Yeah, I got it going on my Google TV. It took a little bit. There was some discovery process. I toggled it on and off once. But then since then, it's been just fine.

Chris

It does. Music Assistant does rely on a lot of like that, you know, DNS discovery stuff. So you have to make sure that's getting passed through to the application. So if you've got a firewall or if you're running a container, you have to make sure a lot of that stuff gets passed through.

Wes

I guess they had two, like, multiple. They had, like, a newer, better way that they were doing the casting. So, like, once I, at first I tried that and it wasn't, I tried the old one that worked and then the new one works totally fine. So I don't know. It probably was all just still booting up because I just got to go.

Chris

It does take a minute to discover. I think the other one that works really well is Sonos. Have not tested that, but I guess the Sonos integration is pretty tight. Fully kiosk browser, I thought was an interesting one because this is what I use on my tablets for my home assistant displays around the house. So I think, you know, you could in theory have a speaker plugged into the headphone out port on that tablet and then turn that into a player. Pretty neat.

Wes

I mean, you could just see that for, yeah, I don't know. You have some sort of small office setup too, and those are just on there for displaying calendars already. Now you've got a PA system.

Chris

Why not? Yeah, it does, you know, announcements and stuff like that too. AirPlay. So any AirPlay target that's not the Apple TV. The Apple TV is not currently supported because there's like a two-way pairing process, but, you know, anything else that's an AirPlay target.

And this is a really interesting one. Any supported Home Assistant media player, like the Voice Preview Edition hardware, which is a little puck with an iPod-like wheel on it you can use for volume control and it has an aux out port. It's really nice. So that was the direction I thought I would go. I thought I would buy a handful of these at a time because they're 50 bucks-ish a pop so buy a couple, set them up.

I already have two so I would only need a couple more and then I would use these as streaming endpoints for my music assistant server. And while you could definitely do that and I think it would work really well because it's all an open ecosystem, the prices are pretty good, what I discovered is that the open source community has so successfully reverse engineered AirPlay that the AirPlay supported Music Assistant is as if it was a native open source protocol.

Wes

That's so killer.

Chris

It's bonkers how good it is. And so it sort of was just, well, I already have these AirPlay devices. And it's- I mean.

Wes

That's best case for you, really.

Chris

It's kind of unbelievable because I bought these stupid expensive HomePods. They do sound good.

Wes

Just go check the Coder Radio backlog for years on this.

Chris

This has been years now, so I think the investment may have, quote unquote investment, may have paid off. But you would not think I would have gotten this much mileage out of some stupid proprietary speakers that only have a power cord coming out of them. It really is bonkers. And it's crazy how good it works with Music Assistant. So I just went with the practical route and I'm actually, I'm mostly just using AirPlay.

But I do have some, based on some of the testing I did, I have some quick recommendations. If you just want easy speakers that work, i don't know how you say this but ikea makes these symphonisk speakers what kea speakers and they're wi-fi speakers that actually have a sonos control board in them but they're like you know 100 200 cheaper than an equivalent sonos speaker and they also support airplay and they support dlna and they support the sonos streaming protocol.

And they sound decent. And the home assistant community and the music assistant community rave about these. So they range, depending on where you buy them, between $99 and $120 US dollars. So these are not super cheap for the sound. But the functionality, people. So my wife is buying a couple of these for her studio, for her clinic. And so I'll have kind of a real world report on these pretty soon. But these are, you plug them into your network. You plug them in, hook them up to your network.

And then music assistant will automatically discover them. and they just work. And you can play them in pair synced up. It's really nice. Obviously, the HomePods, those work well, but you can also buy standalone AirPlay adapters that just have audio outports.

Wes

Oh, now that is something.

Chris

So you can use big speakers or hook it up to whatever you want. And those range from $90 to $110 US dollars. And then, of course, the Chromecast. I found a two-pack of the Chromecast audio streamer for $30 on eBay.

Wes

Nice.

Chris

Yeah.

Wes

I also noticed that they had Snapcast support.

Chris

Yes, sir.

Wes

So if you have that or want to build out that infrastructure, you can just sort of target it with the music assistant.

Chris

And that really seems like something I should look into in the future. I would love the listeners' feedback on Snapcast or if anybody has experimented with this stuff. But I want to tell you how I made this sort of spousal approval factor high, family approval factor high. because having music assistant and having one interface, which is a progressive web app to all your music and your audio books from all your different, you can put Apple music in there.

You can put Spotify in there. You can put title in there. You can put sound cloud in there. You know, these are like, there's dozens you can add searches.

Wes

I think it's the iTunes index, but it searches that for podcasts or you can just put in RSS feeds manually.

Chris

Yes too. So you can do that as well. So while that is nice to have and then manage all of that from one interface, I, Where I think it really kicks it up and improves the family approval factor is if you can integrate it in with Home Assistant. And the Home Assistant integration allows you to create simple dashboard interfaces to actually play things and cue things up.

So I've designed, we have a media card, we have a media dashboard, I'm sorry, in Home Assistant, where we have remote controls for our TVs. And now I've added another, you could call, it's like the size of a large badge or like a large thumbnail image. It takes up about that much space. But what it is, it's a media player control with an interface for selecting our favorite playlists and our favorite audio

books and selecting which speakers it plays on. And I'll have links to these in the show notes. But this is how the family interfaces with this, right? They're not loading the music assistant tab.

Wes

Oh, entirely through.

Chris

They're going to the tablet they already managed stuff in the home with, going to the media tab, and then just selecting the playlist. And it's just, it plays for them.

Wes

I'm going to have to check that out. Because so far I did get like the very default auto discovered, like it can detect and control the music assistant state in home assistant side. But I hadn't gone past that.

Chris

So when you install the music assistant integration into home assistant, they find each other. In fact, you can, if you have a Hass OS music assistant, it is just an add on. You can just install from within Hass OS and it all just connects up. But I run on a separate machine and they discover each other over the DNS broadcast stuff. and then every speaker that's in Music Assistant shows up as a speaker in Home Assistant and vice versa.

And so now Home Assistant can change the volume, it can do playback and pause, it can cue up new songs and then there's lots of community dashboard tools to build easy playback controls, A couple of, you know, you choose a few boxes. And then where I took it to the next level, and I'm very proud of this, it's that audio bookshelf integration. Having the audio book integration that syncs book playback between all my devices

because the audio bookshelf server keeps track of that. So our mobile devices get synced. The web interface and now music assistant. And I have added Z-Wave buttons in our bedroom on both sides of the bed. You push a button, and I've labeled it book, and you hit that button.

Wes

The book button.

Chris

Yep. And that resumes our current audio book at our last left off position on one speaker in the bedroom, preset to just the right nighttime volume. It then plays for 25 minutes, and then using a new integration that I installed that allows you to gradually change the music. It's called gradual volume control.

For the last 25 seconds of that 25 minute period while the book plays for the last 25 seconds i have it gradually turn the audio down to zero percent over 25 seconds so the book fades out quietly and then it stops playback.

Wes

That's that's wow this is bonkers i want to take a nap of your ass.

Chris

It is so nice because it takes something that is rather complicated right and it just automates it with a push of a button because the automation is happening in home assistant i've told home assistant, when this button is pressed, go play that audio book at its last position. Audio bookshelf server is remembering the position. So when music assistant requests that audio bookshelves handling that aspect of like the metadata and whatnot.

But what's really neat about it is none of my devices are in use. So I no longer need to bring the phone to the bedroom to listen to the audio book. I can leave the phone out in the charging area. I don't have to interface with any screen. I don't have to blast light in my face. I don't have any of those. I just push a button and the backend infrastructure. So I can be rebooting my phone. I could be not using my phone. My phone could be off, whatever.

It doesn't matter because the server system is handling the book playback and then Home Assistant is handling the time and the fade out. And then it pauses through Music Assistant. And the end experience is so simple and so nice. I just, I love it for this one feature alone. But we also now have these, you know, with this dashboard, we have these buttons for playlists. And so some of our favorite playlists are one button away. And then it starts playing on all the speakers in the home in sync.

And there's just something really fun about that. When you're doing some chores and you didn't have to even open up anything, you didn't have to go dig through anything. It's just right there. It's all ready. Boom. Click. Good place.

Wes

You get that dump in tanks playlist.

Chris

You sure could. You know, or like I'm on the way home. I open up the home assistant app on the phone. and I hit the playlist so the wife knows I'm coming home. There's a lot of fun you could have with it too. And then you can also integrate announcements. So you could have it announce the upcoming track, but you could also slip in sort of like house-wide time for dinner or whatever you want. You can slip in house-wide announcements because it supports that as well.

It's so much fun playing with this stuff. It's like tinkering with a system that builds on top of itself. So first you get the home assistant running, then you get Z-Wave going, and then you get buttons figured out. And then you start stacking the stuff. So then you get Music Assistant going and you add, now I know how buttons work and I know how Home Assistant works. And you can just complete this whole stack of stuff that works really, really well together.

And while you can completely use Music Assistant on its own, it's just like a container somewhere or whatever you want on a system. If you connect it to Home Assistant, it really kicks things up. And it's so much fun to play around with. Even if you don't care about turning on lights on and off, this kind of stuff is really choice. And the fact that you have this wide range of hardware it's compatible with means you could likely just get started right now.

Wes

That's what's so impressive to me. Like the scope and the amount of integrations that already exist and are just kind of all ready to go. I was doing it on Nix. And so it's a little more apparent where, like I was looking at some of the packaging for it, right? So you can tell some plugins, you know, they need some extra packages to be included in the whole build as well.

So like if you want the YouTube music integration, which is just such a pain, uh, cause you have to go get some cookie for YouTube DLP, but you need, you know, YouTube DLP is the, uh, as part of the packages, but, It's just neat because like some of them, they just, I think like titles, they don't even need any extra Python packages or anything. They're just ready to go.

Chris

Yeah. I think there's a couple of caveats people should be aware of. I think where music assistant struggles is if you mix protocols. So if you mix AirPlay and Chromecast or Home Assistant Cast and AirPlay or whatever.

Wes

Even just trying to mix sometimes like playback in the browser and.

Chris

Yeah, or even sometimes if you're combining network speakers that are on different major versions of their local OS, there can be issues where it loses sync. And so where it seems to really nail it is if you have the same type of protocol for every speaker in that group. So if you stick to one thing, maybe it's the Home Assistant Preview hardware, maybe you're a Sonos person, or maybe you've already got AirPlay or Chromecast.

If you stick to one streaming technology for all the speakers you're playing to, it seems to just really nail synced audio, especially with AirPlay. But when you mix and match, you get mixed results. Now, if you're in a space where you cannot hear the other speakers, you just want to be able to have the same content like a podcast or streaming radio. Streaming internet radio is also supported.

And, you know, if you have a couple of second overlap when you're in the garage versus the kitchen, maybe you don't care.

But if you're if you're standing in a space where you can hear all of the speakers at once the synchronization really matters then and that's where you want to keep it to the same protocol and that's where i think it's worth just going with one stack and i put the stuff that i feel like works the best in the show notes but having probably used home assistant in this entire stack for five years or so somewhere around there maybe six um music assistant

really feels like i've taken it up to the next level now and it's so much fun to be able to just hit a button and set a tone set a vibe and then anybody that has the home assistant app can also pull it up and pause or change it or anybody that goes up to a tablet or if you use the voice control too you can do it that way it's really it's it's it's really a great experience it's not the best podcast player i will make that disclosure

true so if you add a podcast like ours or any podcast that has years of back catalog. It sorts it and wants to play the oldest episode first, which maybe you want to do that. Or maybe you just imported your favorite podcast in your current and you want to play the current episode. Well, if they have hundreds of episodes, you have to manually go through one by one and mark them listened to. Unless maybe you're some sort of database hacker and you could go in there and

fix it that way. But there is no native way to mark a whole bunch of podcasts listened to. And that was a real bummer because playing podcasts around the house is a great use of Music Assistant. So if you get the time, check it out. You can use it on its own. Or if you really like your peanut butter and your jelly or chocolate or whatever it is, I don't know. You mix it with Home Assistant. Unraid.net slash unplugged. Unleash your hardware.

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Brent

Well, like last week, we do have some shout-outs for new members of Jupiter Party. We want to say hi to the party to Kyle, Quinn, Athlon, Linus, John, and Scott, who all joined either the core contributors or Jupiter.party. Welcome to the party.

Chris

Yes, thank you for the support. Shout-out to our new members. I hope you take advantage of either the ad-free version of the show. A little bit tighter runtime, but still with all Editor Drew's nice touches. Or get the raw bootleg version that's clocking in usually around double the length of the regular show, but lots of content in there. And also it's a way to support the show directly. And on top of that, it lets us continue to be extremely choosy about who we work with.

And it's, I think, 100% why we don't have dynamic ads at this point, I would say.

Wes

This week you might get tire talk.

Chris

Yeah, if you listen to the bootleg, you did get a little tire talk. That's true. But we really appreciate you guys. Thank you for keeping the show going through the bad times. And thank you for also letting us say no to dynamic advertising or weird VPNs and weird other kind of, you know, another one that's been really.

Wes

I don't even know what kind of mattress you have.

Chris

I'm not. Yeah, that's true. I'm not even anti-CBDs, but like we've been getting hit up by a lot of CBD makers. I mean, not a lot, but in the last month, I've heard from three different CBD makers who want to sell their product directly. I don't like this. It's like it's like it's really nice to just be in the position to say no, thank you. So that goes to our members, and same with the dynamic ads, and also to our boosters, too.

Thank you, everybody. We really appreciate you. Another round of applause to those new members! We got some emails, too, Wes.

Wes

Sebastian wrote in, long-time listener, writing in with some rare critical feedback. Zotero deserves way more love. It's one of the most important open-source projects, especially in the closed world of academic publishing. Zotero 7 is fantastic. Citation management, PDF sync via web dev, annotations across devices, even figure extraction, all open source. It's a self-hosted essential in my book.

Chris

Okay.

Wes

I'm a cardiologist practicing in Germany, so if there's anything in my field I can do for you over from the ocean, let me know. Also, if Brent ever ends up in the southern part of Germany and wants to check out rock climbing or mountain biking, also let me know. Oh, that's so sweet. Thank you, Sebastian.

Brent

Yes, please. Thanks, Sebastian. And I'm assuming that invite for mountain biking is open to these two boys as well?

Chris

Who, us?

Brent

Maybe, if you make it over there on the other side of the ocean.

Wes

Southern Germany meetup?

Chris

Charles also sent us an email. He says, hi, guys. I enjoyed the Terminal TUI challenge. But you missed a browser. But maybe it hadn't been released at the time you were trying it. Anyways, check out Chawan, the graphical TUI browser with JavaScript support, C-H-A-W-A-N.net.

Wes

It's a text mode, web browser, and pager for Unix-like systems with a focus on implementing modern web standards while remaining self-contained, easy to understand, and extensible. It includes functionality like CSS, inline images inside the terminal, and JavaScript through a small, independent browser engine. It's written from scratch in the memory-safe NIMH programming language. Cool.

Chris

That's really neat.

Wes

It's in Homebrew, NixOS, and the AUR, and it looks like there's also an app image. so go check it out neat.

Brent

But i thought only rust was memory safe.

Chris

I love to he sent us some geeking out about emacs too oh yeah.

Wes

Okay it does sixles or the kitty protocol so.

Chris

She'll play nice.

Wes

With kitty too.

Chris

Well that's good to hear.

Brent

Well matthew sent us a note here too hey regarding the ask for a note taking and to-do list tools i'd like to recommend a silver bullet it's very customizable if you want it to be has built-in queryable database of tasks works on mobile and desktop syncs between everything and is all marked down i found it suits my brain very well indeed it allows me to have separate work and personal workflows without causing friction or forcing me to work in a particular way i highly recommend it.

Wes

Oh i'd seen some other folks kind of chatting about this more generally so i've been on my list to try but um yeah now with a little feedback from our smart audience yeah.

Chris

I appreciate that matthew silverbullet.md is the website gotta.

Wes

Love a queryable database of tests.

Chris

So i you know this isn't quite the same level but what i decided to do after the show is i'm giving obsidian one more go for task management it has this concept of a daily note and then i found some plugins that allow me to pull tasks forward and render them in kind of like this visual way and uh you kind of create the task with a pretty simple markdown syntax so it might work for me we'll see it did work okay for me last week, I don't think I'm quite in the zone yet, though. But thank you,

Matthew. Silverbullet.md. I may keep that in the back of my mind if the Obsidian stuff doesn't work out.

Wes

Joe wrote in, answering the distro choice question in a FlatHub, Flatpak-only world, I would still consider update and upgrade frequencies to be pretty key. Fedora is six months and normally pretty solid, but I've seen some issues with lesser-used hardware, that kind of thing, and so I might still prefer a longer LTS. Also, I like flat packs for most desktop apps, but I think they could be a nightmare for server-side services.

Apache, Samba, NFS, SFTP, they can be deployed a lot of ways, and even the Docker files will often need to get updates or get specific packages. File permissions and keyboard input are still edge cases, and it'd be sad to lose all development to traditional package types.

Chris

Very true. Yeah, that I don't think can ever really fully go away, because some of this is based on all of that. But to your point about Fedora being six months and being pretty solid, but sometimes a little edgy with certain hardware, I wonder if, Joe, you would find Helium OS interesting. So they just released version 10, and Helium OS is an atomic distro that uses CentOS Stream and Alma Linux and kind of combines it together for a long-term support plasma atomic desktop.

That could be pretty fascinating. I don't know if you get access to DNF still or those types of things. Because to your point, Flatpak isn't really a solution for server-side applications. But containers, snaps, you know, modifying the base. Like if this is, for example, if you had a server that was image-based, you know, that's cloud native, you would probably just modify your base image

to include the Apache, Samba, NFS, and SFTP you needed. and then you would just ship your image with that stuff baked in.

Wes

And for at least as long as we keep building things that way, where we do have these base images built from individual packages, I imagine we'll have to keep developing on those too.

Chris

For sure. And we did get some boosts we wanted to shout out this week. A lot of people supported the show, but one of them stood out as our baller booster, no doubt about it. And that is Blackhost coming in with 100,000 sats. Thank you, Blackhost. This is just helping you help me help us all. Because, of course, that's the value for value cycle. That came in live as we are going. So thank you, Blackhost, for the live boost and being our baller.

We really appreciate that that's going to turn around this episode right there how about that injecting some last minute energy into the show as we go out thank you black host really appreciate that.

Wes

Turd ferguson comes in with 64 000 cents.

Chris

There he is.

Wes

Duckstation dev is dropping linux support oh yeah the duck the duckstation dev is dropping linux support and blocking arch builds fed up with quote headaches and hacks for a two percent user base for something i don't use says to grip the source for wayland to understand yeah.

Chris

I saw this i also saw something about their they said their license explicitly prohibits linux packaging.

Wes

I looked at that very briefly. It seems like patching at least. I don't know if it didn't actually say packaging to my read.

Chris

Oh, I thought they did say packaging. Maybe I misread that. Maybe I did. You know, they do ship an app image.

Wes

But I'm not an expert on the license. But it just kind of shows you the intent going on here.

Chris

Well, and maybe a bit of the friction point that we were getting to last week too as well. And this developer is getting quite fed up. You know, they're talking about dropping support because it's, quote, 2% of the user base. I feel like we should send people over to DuckStation, get more Linux users using it, bring that number up, and maybe provide some helpful input. They ship a Windows binary, a Mac binary, and an app image, and I think that's probably their way of having you run it.

And we have seen other projects get frustrated by downstream packaging and adding certain patches to it.

Wes

A perennial Linux problem, unfortunately.

Chris

Yeah, but at the end of the day, it's end users that kind of suffer when these things happen. So it is unfortunate to see the Duck Station developer do that. Thank you, Turd.

Wes

It is also just, I don't know, I sympathize with devs having to provide support, but there's also just, you know, I like free and open source software, and the code flows, and that means people are going to ship it in all kinds of ways.

Chris

True, true.

Brent

Well, A-Ron comes in with 50,000 sats. On the network, has there been any talk or consideration around small embedded systems like using ESP32s with Home Assistant or similar niche projects? I was curious if you all had ever talked about doing a deep dive in this area specifically for an episode. Maybe best devices, use cases, gotchas, soldering techniques, best practices, all of that.

I'd gladly appreciate it. i bought a kit to build a lightsaber from the kyber temple and it is way more soldering than i realized i know a little bit about this area but would like to know more it's taking me probably 10 times longer to put it together than i probably should but i'm having fun doing it a new hobby has been unlocked i'm sure my wife won't mind at all.

Wes

Well depending on where you are we could just send our roving brent technician to you.

Brent

This is quite true you.

Chris

Know that would work Although it may take a little longer than you expect, but it's going to be done great.

Brent

And probably, you know, watch your budget for the food portion of the project.

Chris

That's true. That's true. So as you probably know, we did dive into some ESP use cases in Linux Unplugged episode 620.

Brent

Yeah. And that episode called Brent Loves Building Things, because occasionally I do.

We did explore, I think, a little bit more of the software side of things and how to integrate things into home assistant and get your esp going with some configurations but what i hear you saying here more is kind of the physical part of it as well like soldering you mentioned quite a bit which is um i would say a set of skills that i have been developing only recently as well and we certainly thanks to our dear producer jeff have a bunch of collective

knowledge about sort of shortcuts, what to use for connectors, what to use as a great cheap soldering iron to get you started. All these tips and tricks that I think a lot of us have been interested in as a shared hobby. And of course, we should have expected that listeners would get interested too. So that's a great idea for another episode in the future.

Chris

I will say the next one kind of on my radar, Aeron, is an ultrasonic sensor that I can use to measure how full a tank is. This is a great use for an ESP here and a little ultrasonic sensor. But yeah, this is an idea we'll kick around some more because there is so much to this ecosystem and I think probably just people fully wrapping their heads around it is what's needed to really appreciate the value there. Because you can buy things today that are built around the ESP32 platform and

it's inside the product. You don't even know it, but it can be pretty nice to know what's actually in there. So thank you very much. Appreciate it, Aaron. Nice to hear from you. And I hope we'll hear from you again, Marcel boosted in with 20,000 sats. Way back in Linux Unplugged 4.28, you featured my project, RUT's message of the day in the pics, R-U-T-S-M-O-T-D in the pics. Well, version 2.0 was just released and it's better than ever.

The new feature that I am the most excited about is showing the status of your Docker Compose stacks. Not only individual containers, it would be great to have some listeners go and test on it for me and feature requests are welcome. It's available in Nix and it's also in the AUR. So this is a neat idea. So you'll log into your box on the terminal and you get, amongst other things now, Docker Compose stats. Brilliant idea, Marcel. Good to hear.

Wes

Rust message of the day.

Chris

Oh, was that a typo?

Wes

That's right.

Chris

Oh, it was a typo. Oh, okay. That was weird. There you go. Rust message of the day. There we go. Now it's official.

Wes

And it is indeed written in Rust. Well, okay. It's 98.8% Rust because 1.2% is next.

Chris

Building it with nicks too i love it thank you marcel appreciate that.

Wes

Doornail 7887 comes in with a row of ducks, With the slow shift to immutable, I wonder about offline and sensitive networks. With RHEL packaging and Apple, we get one-shot approvals, easy ingress mirrors, patching, all that kind of stuff. If flatpacks are the future, it seems like it will complicate things for this kind of use case, enterprise usage. Another downside might be storage, and scientific computing application packages add up quick. Am I missing an easy answer?

Chris

Well, I think the one thing that gives me some confidence that this won't be a huge problem doornail is that these technologies could all be pointed at local repositories. So if you use Flatpaks and you ship it with Flathub as default, there's no reason why somebody couldn't. If they were shipping their own internal image, they could modify that base image to point to their own local repository for Flatpaks and their own local repository for brew even or whatever it might be.

Now, your point is well taken that, well, that eats up a lot of storage.

But you could probably argue that you could probably whittle it down to just the applications actually needed and the ones that are standard you would just bake into the image anyway so there would be less packages that people probably dynamically pull down because if it's a if it's a standard suite of applications everybody's using you're just going to build that into the image anyways and the user won't have to install that.

Wes

Well i mean flat pack does have some facilities for that right in terms of relying on base images that other things yeah right so if you are building your own and like they you can't actually take advantage of that i do think you know uh to the side where you're not necessarily missing something easy i think is the side of just there probably is a fair amount of work in this kind of thing anytime you get new formats that just all the all the extra tooling on top right like the nexus

proxies the approval systems the integrations with other systems those may just have to be stuff that people do work on as enough there's enough pressure to to use these new systems but at least a lot of it is built on oci stuff and so there's already some pressure there in terms of storage and deduple and um you know tools around it.

Brent

Well wine eagle has a series of boosts here totaling nine thousand and one satoshis, Well, last week, my laptop's battery suddenly died. When I booted again, my ButterFS plus LVM Luxe Partition was totally fried.

Chris

Whoa, whoa. I wonder if he hit this bug.

Wes

Maybe. Although totally fried sounds worse.

Chris

Yeah, I mean, but it does look totally fried because it's unmountable and it won't boot. So you could consider it totally fried. Oh, Wine Eagle. Oh, no. Let us know.

Brent

Eagle continues here. Fearing a repeat, I formatted my laptop. Up gaming pc and nas to zfs on route thanks to nixos for making it that easy but i made a huge mistake i forgot not all my data on the server was in the pool many services kept data in slash var slash lib whoops lesson learned on that one don't forget to set data directories i almost gave my wife a heart attack regarding bitwarden thankfully we were still logged in for the export Oof.

Wes

Well, I'm glad to hear this didn't go as poorly as it could have. And thank you for telling us about it. I mean, I'm sorry to hear.

Chris

I should have made this point earlier in the show. I would like to point out that you are actually more at risk using ZFS with a kernel module that is developed outside the kernel. Now, in this particular case, it was ButterFS that was impacted.

But if you think about it, a system that is properly integrated with the kernel had an entire team, you know, I mean, dozens and dozens of people that were able to work on this problem from the kernel side, the file system side, the distribution side, the user side, they were all able to collectively work together to solve this problem because it's GPL code and it's integrated into the kernel.

If it's an external module that is getting linked to the kernel, it is actually more likely that internal changes to the kernel will break it.

And when it does break, which it is more likely to do there will be less people that can collectively work on it to solve the problem so you're not really safer with root on zfs now that said zfs is a great file system the people that work on the kernel driver and modules are very very professional and they try to do a great job and the kernel team does everything they can to try to prevent breakage same is also true for the butterfest developers,

So just being aware that when it's an external, if it's a proprietary driver like for NVIDIA or a file system that has wonky drivers because Oracle, or I mean wonky licenses, you are actually at more risk of this problem that bit ButterFS recently. It just happens to be this time ButterFS was unlucky.

Wes

To Wineagle's point about setting data directories, that's just a handy thing that tons of NixOS services have where you can just define where do you want to store your data, and a lot of them default to slash var slash lib. You can also like have that whole directory be a mount point somewhere else if you want to. Lots of good ways to sort of make sure you put that data where you want.

Chris

It just sounds like that was a massive hassle. I mean, you know, scaring the wife. Why do you go, I like that part I feel for you. Like I said just a moment ago, I was picking up Obsidian again. And so I opened up Obsidian and I opened up all, I opened up the extensions and I said update all. And then I closed the settings window and all my notes were gone.

And i had a heart attack like i felt my heart sank and i and i and i i took a i took a beat, and i closed the window and i realized it's okay it's it should be marked down on the file system still so i i very quickly navigated to the directory and i verified all of the markdown files were there and i very quickly tarred them up set it aside and then opened up obsidian again and they were all back but that that that feeling that gut punch of losing data it oh i hate that so much.

Sorry to hear you went through that, Wineagle. And thank you for the boost.

Wes

Jordan Bravo comes in with a row of ducks. Hey, guys, I wanted to share that I made my first contribution to Nix packages.

Chris

Hey!

Wes

Nicely done.

Chris

Congratulations.

Wes

You can now find that package. It's called Rust Dress in Nix packages unstable. It's a lightning address server written in Rust that also provides Noster NIP 5 name verification. Shout out to Nitesh, the author of Rust Dress.

Chris

Hey, this is exactly what we need.

Wes

It does seem like kind of exactly what we need.

Chris

This is exactly what you and I were talking about this week.

Wes

Uh-huh. We'll have to check that out.

Chris

That's amazing.

Wes

Now with Jordan's package.

Chris

Jordan, thank you. And we needed it in Nix, too, because we have Bitcoin Nix nodes. That's something we're working on the back end this week. And name verification using NIP5 is, that's really the chef's kiss there. Thank you for letting us know, Jordan. And thank you for the value. Appreciate it.

Brent

Well, Outdoor Geek boosted in 5,000 sats. From Fosse in Portland, Oregon. AI generated reports of non-existent bugs are clogging up bug bounty programs. The talk on this plausible AI slop starts at about 6.43.00 in the schedule. Really good layouts of the problem and an abstract. Any links to the recording?

Chris

Thank you, Outdoor Geek. I watched this this morning as we were preparing the show. And I think my takeaway would be is possibly skip this talk and just go read the Curl developer's complaints directly. because a lot of the talk this gal gives is predicated on the fact that the curl developer is concerned. So therefore she is concerned. She actually says that. And then I think actually Outdoor Geek, she kind of builds a lot of straw man cases.

Well, I read on Reddit or I saw this blog post about one person complaining. And I think it's not a bad talk and it is a problem. But it feels like one of those things that we're getting really worked up about that will come to a resolution. And so I don't necessarily love the fear-mongering. I mean, the reality is it creates an issue today, but the tools will get better over time, and the tools on the other side will get better over time.

And one thing I think we should keep in mind, and I'm not saying this is the direction it's going to go, but I think this is just something to keep in the back of our mind. In the free software and open source community, we're constantly saying we want to bring in new people. We want the new generation to come in, the next generation. We need more people contributing.

Well, maybe this is how new people contribute. Because I don't necessarily buy into this sort of unspoken theory that's being floated that there's all these bots out there that are auto-generating patches and bug reports and then somehow submitting them to projects. I don't buy the idea that LLMs are spinning up on their own and then bots are using them autonomously to generate all of this.

I think it's more likely that it's people that are seeking kind of glory they're looking for recognition they have a favorite project they want to contribute to and this is their perhaps they don't speak English these types of things and this is their way to now have a tool and an avenue to contribute for the first time and they're doing so and the results I'm not saying that's all of it some of it probably is bought traffic but that is costly.

What I'm saying is we may, in our effort, to hate everything that's AI, because what that gal proposes is some sort of global ban list where you start banning people. And if I ban them, then you automatically ban them and we all ban them together. I think before we start getting into some sort of global ban list, we need to consider that who we might be banning are the very new contributors that we want to come join us. And the reality is these tools are likely going to get better.

And when they do get better, these people may be contributing something of value. Maybe it's only one out of three, but that's something. And then if the tools on the other side get better to manage it, there actually may be a decent middle ground here.

But if we are getting all worked up about it now while these tools are still nascent and the social issues haven't been worked out yet and the culture hasn't been established yet, but we take these sort of dramatic hyperbolic reactions with global ban lists and things like that, I think we may actually be blocking future contributors to free software in our attempt to reduce spam. And so it's a very complicated topic, and I don't think it really got the full justice it deserves.

And I think what I would recommend is people just go look up the curl developers concerned about AI slop. And keep in mind that it's an evolving problem. But I really appreciate that because it was a great video to watch this morning. Thank you, Outdoor Geek. Well, look, it's PJ there, and he comes in with a big old double, I guess, duck boosts, which would be an Aflac. 4,444 sats.

Wes

Cornish game head boost?

Chris

Mmm, we got to get that. And he just says one thing and says it boldly. Thank you, PJ. Appreciate that.

Wes

And I pulled up Brewer Seth just because why not 500 sats to us just to say enjoyed this show this week for 625.

Chris

Well, thank you. Appreciate that. Thank you, everybody who boosts. We do have a 2,000-sat cutoff for airtime, but every now and then we pull a few forward and we appreciate everybody who boosts or stream sats as they listen, which is really neat too. You're just streaming those over a peer-to-peer network as you listen to the show. 18 of you did that, and we stacked 18,670 sats that way. Now, thanks to our baller boosters, we stacked a healthy 276,602 sats.

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⁠¢ Picks

Now we have a few good picks this week. A few good picks, Wes. And I bet you're a little surprised by this one. I don't think we've ever really had one in this category before. It's called Plex Ripper, and it is a cross-platform Plex media downloader that seamlessly adds media from your friends' Plex servers to your own.

Wes

Okay, so we've gone past the part where we rip the DVDs into Plex.

Chris

Right.

Wes

Now we rip out of Plex.

Chris

Yeah, buddy.

Wes

Or get back into another.

Chris

You got a buddy who's been backing up your media for you, I guess? It's a neat idea because you establish a Plex content network, which is, I think, the core feature that Plex still offers over Jellyfin for some people. And this thing has a really nice interface. You can run it as a container if you like. And you can even log into multiple Plex accounts. And it has a back end that's multi-threaded. and resumes downloads.

Wes

It's ready for some big rips.

Chris

Yeah, dude. I mean, it's a fun idea. I will be honest with you. Plex and I are no longer together, and I've been happily seeing Jellyfin now for a while, but if I still ran Plex... I mean, this is a pretty cool idea.

Wes

Oh, there's also guides for Unraid and Synology. So you don't have to have a crazy self-hosted super setup or anything.

Chris

It's GPL3, but they say they prohibit downloading content from servers without proper authorization. They say if you use a tool to bypass copyright, you can't do that. Or you can't use it to circumvent restrictions. So it won't download Plex Pass stuff.

Wes

Yeah, that makes sense. Written in C Sharp. Interesting. Cool.

Chris

GPL3. Then this next one, it's just for us Plasma users out there. But Wes and I came across a couple of handy Plasma add-ons recently. This first one, I'm a little embarrassed that I'm recommending because it is inspired by macOS a little bit. And I generally don't go that way. It's KDE Control Station. And it's a widget you can add to your desktop or to your toolbar.

And it gives you a menu to really easily toggle things like do not disturb, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, display brightness, system volume, night dark mode, night mode, battery status, log in, log out, all in one little menu. Where Plasma sort of separates those out into about four different menus right now, this is all in one spot. But it is using a Mac-inspired UI, which I'm not a fan of, but the functionality is good enough that I'm going to suck that up, and I'm going to recommend it

to you this week. So it's KDE Control Station. If you're already running Plasma, you can actually just go add a widget and go where you can search widgets and just put in KDE Control Station, and it'll come up for you.

Wes

Yeah, I just thought that, I mean, it seemed handy enough. The look, okay, do what you will with that, but it is nice functionality.

Chris

And now how about this one? Kairpods native airpod integration for the plasma 6 desktop with real-time battery monitoring noise control and a panel widget, I was always shocked that you could pair AirPods at all to a Linux desktop, but you missed all these features. Now, with this widget, you can toggle things like their sound transparency mode, or you can turn on active noise blocking. You get individual pod battery level.

This really is kind of that last piece that was missing on the Linux desktop. And I'm bringing this up again because I know AirPods are very popular, and there's probably some of you out there that have this. And also, this is a GPL add-on as well, GPL3.

Wes

Written in Rust.

Chris

Oh, it is. Well, there you go. You got one more in there. Now, you have a pair of Sony AirPods, right? Yeah. Do those pair okay with the Linux desktop?

Wes

They do, especially under PipeWire. Really no issues.

Chris

I have the PixelPods. That's what I use. And they also pair with the Linux desktop. But I don't have any control for the noise stuff. You probably don't with the Sonys either, I would imagine.

Wes

No, that's true.

Chris

That's a nice feature.

Wes

Yeah.

Chris

That is really nice to see.

Wes

Sophisticated.

Chris

Mm-hmm.

Wes

What a weird world. Suddenly, AirPods might be a great option for your Linux desktop.

Chris

Yeah, yeah. Well, there you go. Links to all of that in the show notes,

⁠¢ Outro

which you will find over at linuxunplugged.com slash 626. Remember, too, we also want to know if you've been spooked off of ButterFS or if you have any file system war stories that you'd like to share with us, recent or not. It's funny. I was just saying we haven't heard very many file system issues. And then, there we go. Oh, wow, that's crazy.

Wes

But we love hearing those things, war stories, and your success stories.

Chris

That's true. That's true. And also, if you're crazy enough to run ButterFS en route, of course, over here, Wes Payne's running BcacheFS.

Wes

This is true.

Chris

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Wes

Yeah we do gotta remind.

Chris

Them and the live stream it's all in there cloud.

Wes

Chapters no less.

Chris

Okay you.

Wes

Don't undersell these.

Chris

Chapters super fancy both.

Wes

Baked into the file and JSON on the cloud.

Chris

Boom thank you for join us. See you right back here next Sunday.

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