My name is Wes. this. Thanks for being here.
Hello, friends, and welcome back to your weekly Linux talk show. My name is Chris.
And my name is Brent.
Hello, gentlemen. Today we'll talk about Linus grumbling through 20 years of Git, a hardware window that may be opening up for Linux, and a look at App 3.0. Then we'll round it out with a really useful pick, some great boosts, and a lot more. So before we get into all of that, let's say time-appropriate greetings to our virtual lug. Hello, Mumble Room.
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We're kind of on the fence about doing a Saturday live stream, the first full day of LinuxFest. I put out a poll last week, and it hasn't gotten very many votes. It's 60% yes, but 40% nay. It's a little close for the amount of work we're going to be putting in. So send us a boost or go vote in the poll and let us know if you'd like a live stream from LinuxFest the day, Saturday, before our Sunday show.
We're thinking about doing a little different this year if we do this we've always done it at a booth before at linux fest and we're kind of thinking maybe this year the live stream will actually be anchored from lady joops the rv on the parking lot do.
Things in the wrong order right.
Some advantages to that you know it means we have a little more control over the technical and the audio and the internet and based on prior tests we think it makes for a better live stream and then what we do is along with our commentary of the event what's going on chatting with guests, inviting people out to come out to us. We send a couple of men in on the scene like a, you know, like a Brent Noah tag team or a me and you tag team.
And we go out there and we interview folks and presenters in the booth and we stream that back to the live stream. And if we can, big caveat there, but if we can stream select audio talk as well. So that's kind of our ambitious plans if we do a Saturday stream, but we only want to do it if you're going to listen. So boost in or go vote in the poll we have in the show notes. It's a straw poll. It's real easy.
And let us know if you would tune in Saturday, which is going to be April 20, no, 26th, right? April 26 on a Saturday. That's, woo. It's coming up real fast. So please let us know. Some big, big milestones recently, and one of them was Git turning 20 years old, of course, created by Linus Torvalds. And to celebrate, GitHub did an interview with Linus, which is kind of interesting because Linus hasn't always been the biggest GitHub fan. He's obviously a big Git fan.
But they have a kind of a wide-ranging interview. I don't know if either of you had a chance to read it, but it wasn't, I think, anything too new that we didn't already know. Linus is always so humble about his participation in Git. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, in the interview, he talks about basically all the Git functionality he needed was there in a few months. And then it was just everybody kind of adding what they needed.
So that was interesting. And then, like you said, he had a video interview with GitHub. And so the text interview is with GitLab, to make this clear. The video interview is with GitHub. And the title was Two Decades of Git, a Conversation with Creator Linus Torvalds. And we'll link to the full video in the show notes. It's, I don't know, about a half hour. And first of all, it's nice just to see Linus outside the LinuxCon conference
Dirk-style interview scene. It's been a while since we've seen anything but that. And one of the things they touch on at the end of the interview is, what is the next big success for Linus? He seems to have a cadence of every 20 years or so, he has these major projects that he releases that change the world, like the Linux kernel and like Git. And you can tell Linus hates this question, and I thought his answer was fascinating.
On schedule, Linux came about 34 years ago. Yeah, Git 20.
Which involves maybe the worst CAPTCHA system ever devised.
And so maybe five or so years overdue for the next big thing. No, no. I see the other way around. All the projects that I've had to make, I had to make because...
Yeah, and if you don't want it, it's better because you can quit when you're bored.
I couldn't find anything better that somebody else did. But I much prefer other people solving my problems for me, right? So me having to come up with a project is actually a failure of the world, right? And the world just hasn't failed in the last 20 years for me. I started doing Linux because I needed an operating system.
Will you say it like that? It almost sounds like it shouldn't work. And yet this was like a super ultimately reliable method to have it work.
Well, no longer my DiveWard software. But that was so specialized that it never took off in a big way. And that solved one particular problem. but my computer use is actually so limited that I think I've solved all the problems. Part of it is probably I've been doing it so long that I can only do things in certain ways. I'm still using the same editor that I used when I was in college because my fingers have learned one thing and there's no going back. And I know the editor is crap.
And I maintain it because it's a dead project that nobody else uses. So I have a source tree and I compile my own version every time I install a new machine. And I would suggest nobody ever use that editor. But I can't. I've tried. I've tried multiple times finding an editor that is more modern and does fancy things like colorize my source code and do things like that. And every time I try it, I'm like, yeah, these, these hands are too old for this.
Right. So, so I really hope there is no project that comes along that makes me go, I have to do this. Yeah. Well, on that note.
There's a couple of things in there that stood out to me that, you know, he really only has to build something when the world hasn't solved that problem for him. And so it's kind of a good thing if, you know, he hasn't had to build anything. Yeah, right. Right.
Not only did we have to get Brent with the game installed, we had to teach Brent how to play. Mostly, me too.
Yeah. And then the other thing that jumped out to me in there is that he said he has this horrible, horrible text editor that he uses. Yeah. Yeah, it's a very...
Oh my god you, i will say i hope i hope this was um satisfying for producer jeff uh because he has been trying to get us to play some StarCraft for way too long, so it's on us for taking so long.
You gave it a go.
He rightfully pointed out at one point that, you know, Brent, if you'd listened to him earlier, you would have been upskilled on StarCraft.
So you whoa really that's a whole new kind of trapped in the editor.
It is actually pretty legit a great little hack for live presentations.
What a mind what a mind job it is that one of the most advanced important software projects in the world is being run by that editor, Brent, 20 years into Git, it feels like Git, and especially GitHub, are such monumental successes that they're just fully integrated into most of the open source world now.
I mean, when's the last time you worked on a project that wasn't using Git? Like, everybody's using it, it seems. Although I did find it interesting to look at a little bit of the history of version control, and it seems like every decade, decade and a half, there's a new one that comes around. Maybe Git's the exception of that because it's just integrated so deeply into every project, it seems, these days.
But who knows? Maybe there's an opportunity here. I mean, I think, is there a reason to come up with something else? And a lot of people, when I was learning Git, said, yeah, yeah.
On a fastest map.
Can be better. And there are other projects, like Mercurial, for instance, that are trying to do things better.
But you'd have to be so much better, right? I think the quintessential question is, could you have a Git scale success today? In 2028 or by 2030, could something else come along that could be the scale of GitHub with Git behind it? I don't think we can ever see that again.
Yeah, you were really keyed in on building the society, which was kind of fun. There's a lot to build. I just...
I think it's the one-two combo of you can start your life with Git. You can never be bothered with the cloud or any kind of a remote service. You can just use Git on your laptop. And then one day you start working with a project that's on GitHub, and a lot of those skill sets just immediately translate.
And that is such a powerful network effect. And that's one of the things we see in technology over and over again is the network effect is the item we don't really account for that just seems to be entrenchable. And I don't know, the more I think about it, I don't think you could have a Git and GitHub combo success story today. I don't think it's possible. Boost in and tell us what you think out there or what else it might be. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So even on its own.
But I was looking at the Git repo, and they have 1,750 contributors, so on a bit of a different scale these days.
Yeah, I suppose so. Something else is on a different scale. Apt, Debian Apt 3.0 stable has been released, which means we should see it in Debian 13 and Ubuntu 2504. And Apt 3.0 is one that actually is getting a bit of attention because it has a significantly refined command line interface, they say.
A completely new package solver, and rather noticeable UI enhancements, including colorized text, a new layout style, and just a clearer formatting overall of the results, making it, I guess they say, easier to understand. And I guess at a technical level, they've upgraded Solver 3, which is a fully new backtracking system that avoids promoting manually installed packages for removal and handles the auto-removal more aggressively. So, Wes, you spelunked into App 3.0. yeah that's,
Yeah. Oh, good. Yeah, really.
Brent's a survivor.
Oh, that's good to hear, yeah. So, but the thing I keep hearing about is this new colored output, this new columnar display or whatever they call it. Did you notice that kind of stuff? Yes. I hate to say this, but I bet that kind of thing had it been in place when Linus NumNuts was testing Pop! OS and he uninstalled his entire desktop, and then he basically slammed the distribution for him being the one to uninstall stuff.
If it had been in big red text jumping out at him, he might have been more inclined to catch it. You, You could search, maybe. Hmm, yeah, I installed this when we were monkey-ing around with XYZ.
It reminds me of get commit comments just to tie the story, two stories together, which actually are super helpful when you go back a month, a year, five years, and you're like, what did I do again?
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Timothy R. Butler over at Open for Business recently wrote a post titled, Apple Needs a Snow Sequoia. In non-Mac speak, that is to say, Apple needs an upgrade to macOS Sequoia that's like its earlier Snow Leopard upgrade to the Leopard OS. An upgrade that's all about how little it added and how much it's focused on fixing things.
This is a call you hear in the Mac community every few years. Apple, stop adding features and just fix things. Apple has been transitioning toolkits and architectures basically since the iPhone launched. And so it has kind of led to certain apps getting restarted, recreated, or getting updates maybe that are meant to work on multiple platform types that are not ideal for macOS. And there has been this growing chorus of concerns about the quality of Mac software.
And Timothy's article here, his first one, was it just took off like crazy in the Mac community. and it was really just criticizing the quality of Mac software and saying that Apple needs to do a better job. The funny thing is, is he came up with a follow-up while that was still getting rolling, saying, I want a better Mac, so I'm cheering for better Linux. And it says, like, by the way, what about Linux, Mac users? Gotcha. And as you can imagine, that also generated quite a bit of controversy.
He says that my recent column on Apple's declining software quality seems to have hit a nerve. So why do any of us put up with software that grows increasingly buggy? One word, he says, hardware. And that's where I'd love to see someone help Linux take the next step. Apple knows how to turn out very good quality pieces of hardware.
And he goes on about how much he likes their hardware. He says, for Apple aficionados troubled by the state of macOS, the modern GNOME desktop on Linux beckons as a more faithful implementation of the ideals of macOS than the current Mac does. I'm going to pause there. I believe I was making that point a couple of weeks ago when we were talking about the new GNOME release. I think there is something to it. It's not exact. I don't completely agree, and I'll get to where I disagree.
But he says, GNOME painstakingly is consistent across the different apps and exudes the minimalist philosophy which Apple's hardware shines. Now is a perfect moment for a modern Linux push to take that wind back. What it needs, though, is to solve the remaining weakness on the hardware side. He says, of the gains of electronics manufacturing, I'm tired of being stuck between the Microsoft and Apple ecosystems. I would only need to decide to commit the resources necessary.
One would only have to solve this hardware puzzle. He finishes up with kind of speculating if maybe Dell or Sony could come in and nail a dedicated Linux device. And he ends with, I say this not as someone who thinks Linux will ever dominate the personal computing world, but as someone who wants to see a spark of creativity and push beyond mediocrity in it again.
Apple needs a real competitor, one with alternatives such as GNOME on Linux could actually beat if only the hardware rose to the occasion.
Thought this was interesting in in a in a sense where he's almost over the target but i think he misses it just a little bit and what i mean by that is if you were to go back in time and try to convince a windows user to switch to mac os you might pitch them on the unix underpinnings if they're a geek if they're an average user you might have pitched them on the fact that it and have the virus problems that XP and Vista does and things like this, because it's back in that era.
But what you wouldn't pitch them on.
Well, yeah, I mean, I had felt most of my land with Photon Canids.
We constantly put Linux into this hole.
There wasn't a lot of room to begin with. You wouldn't pitch them on one-to-one functionality.
You wouldn't pitch them on everything you can do today you can have on Linux. And you wouldn't tell them that you're going to be able to get hardware that does exactly what their PC hardware can do when you get a Mac. Because it's just not how it works. You have to make changes. You have to find alternatives. You have to transition to different workflows for these different operating systems. And if you try to promise anything else, or if you try to make Linux anything
else, it's always going to fall short. What do you think of my argument here? Are they off mark? I feel like this is something we've always done with Linux is we're like, well, we can make it the perfect Windows replacement or we can make it the perfect Mac replacement if we just had exactly like Apple's hardware, but it ran Linux really well. This has been a failed strategy over and over again. Well, it's different functionality. Some of it superior, some of it different, some of it not there.
And Brent, I think it's sort of where the framework laptop and that kind of stuff feels like a solid alternative to the MacBook ecosystem. It's not a direct one-to-one replacement. But if you're willing to modify your workflow and change things a little bit, it's an alternative that could be very appealing. And I wonder if you, as a framework owner, if you share that.
I think I do. Like, from what I've seen and using it for the last two years, it's been a great laptop. And I'm using an older motherboard. So from what I hear, the experiences have been even better with modern framework motherboards. So that's really good to hear. They are ex-Apple people over there creating these. So they have some of that perspective and quality and what people are looking for. There are, of course, a couple issues because open source software is difficult.
Well, that's the Canadian in me, let's say. But I think this is the most hope we've had in a while. We've seen a couple manufacturers come around and make developer-specific laptops that could be available for Linux. There's like the XPS, for instance, the Dev1, and a few others.
But the framework i think has at least anecdotally found the most success took some time in our circles so these days what i'm seeing at conferences is people with max and people frameworks and the occasional sort of thinkpad but uh to me that's a sign of success headed in the right direction but it's a really tough problem to solve.
I was thinking that, or maybe even more so, what Timothy is looking for here is the Pop OS software-hardware combination, because that's what System76 is going for here. That's true. And then you have a select set of hardware with some options, you know, some range of options. So the other thing that's in the back of my mind is so we have some vendors that are definitely attempting this. But the other thing that's in the back of my mind is in October, Windows 10 is end of life.
And we should in a way. And, you know, I've heard a lot of people out there that are grumbling that are on Windows 10 right now that don't want to go to Windows 11 or they can't. There's also, I think, a ticking time bomb in Chrome OS. Google is actively working on Android-ifying Chrome OS, and the new desktop environment is going to be an Android launcher. And it's going to be Android OS, not Chrome OS. And I don't know if every user is going to love that transition.
And it feels like, again, that's an area where Linux could be really useful. In my fantasy world, we'd somehow have users become aware of refurbished hardware that is just as good and better than a Chromebook with more ports and functionality that could run Linux.
Oh, yeah.
It could run minimal Linux. I mean, there's a lot of options out there. This is where I wish we as a show could push in some direction and affect change here. Because with Chrome OS going to Android and Windows 10 wrapping up in October, it feels like this summer is a Windows, Chrome OS expat opportunity for Linux. And I just wish we could reach out and help facilitate the opportunity for desktop Linux. I guess it's the advocate in me still. I can't get over it. But you know what
I mean? It's like, it feels like there's a real window here. We've had these every now and then. And I really do think GNOME 47 and Forward, is just as nice, or if not better, than the stock Mac experience. It's cleaner, it's simpler to understand, and the default applications have roughly similar functionality. Maybe Apple Photos has a few things it's better, but it also has some UI stuff that's worse, right? So it's like really close.
Sure, yeah. Although I'm going to push back on your first point. So you might be, I don't know, Wes, I mean, because you know, they've got the Plasma desktop. I mean, if they're really a savvy desktop user, they might pick a different direction than stock GNOME 47.
But assuming they you know they really the simple unified ui that mac supposedly offers really appeals to them and they do go the gnome route even if it even if the ui doesn't have like every single feature or whatever they might want the reality is the underlying tools on linux for so many development workflows are superior to what you can do on mac os and easier than you can get them working on windows and they're improving at such a rapid pace that it's almost
worth something that doesn't quite live it's almost worth compromising on the desktop to have access to this underlying powerful set of tools that are first class and now other operating systems are scrambling to be able to support on their platforms right like in this weird way wes for the user you're talking about that's more technical and maybe has higher expectations on their desktop environment.
I think there's at least some of them that want access to that sweet, tasty, powerful Linux stuff where they have built-in CNames and they have built-in virtualization and they have all the different package manager options and they can solve all these things right there and run it locally on their system while they're building.
Like, it's just, yes, you can do it with VMs and yes, you can do it with containers and yes, you can do it with WSL, but that stuff sometimes months or a year behind, it's sort of bolted on. It's not just sitting right there and being constantly updated by either Canonical or Arch or whoever.
Yeah this is where chris decided uh it was it was worth nuking jeff's last guy you know if you had to take out some of my cannons and a bunch of my units there's no problem I had a couple of friends that I told you, too, I think.
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Go to configcat.com slash unplugged. Well it's been far too long since we have done an arch server update and yes our one lone arch server remains i mean it just won't die, so as is tradition when we finally update this thing we do it live on air so if it blows up if our what is it six seven year old arch install here blows up now here's a problem, we have not done an update on this arch server since may 5th 2024, right uh so that means we have a total download size of 1.6 gigs we're going
to have a total installed size of 5.9 gigs with a net upgrade of 745 megabytes Indeed.
Yeah.
But the big number in here, we're going to get a new CFS. We're going to get a new container run.
We're going to get a new container run. I didn't even have to install anything, really.
Okay. We're also going to go from Linux 6.6.3 to Linux 6.12.23. No. All right, Wes Payne. Let her rip. All right.
Ooh.
This might take a minute. It might. Yeah. So what I think we'll do. I did. Okay, good. Try to help us out here. All right. So, Wes, you get that thing kicked off. We'll check back in in a little bit. But we do have some great boosts to get to in the meantime, and the dude abides is our baller booster this week with 50 000 sats, it's nice and short he says headset boost also enjoyed the game episode well those are two very appreciated signals. Thank you very much.
Appreciate the baller boost, the dude abides, and also that you enjoyed the game episode. I'm still feeling a little unsure about that, so I appreciate the feedback. And your sats, along with the ones we received in this episode and a generous boost, a direct boost from hybrid sarcasm, means we have met our goal to get the headsets, three fancy new headsets, arriving just in time for LinuxFest Northwest. Yes, thank you, everybody.
Okay just one final follow-up question here brent did you have a good enough time did we convince you to try yeah single-player campaign.
Without issues sounds a hint like a hint like maybe it's very hard yeah, I would love a good Star Trek game. So speaking my language.
It also offers a paid online class for.
You know, if you want to base your society around you. For a total of 42,000 cents. Would be absolutely excited for a 2E challenge. I always love to explore new 2Es that I never thought would be up there.
I think this 2E challenge is starting to come together. I'm starting to visualize a world where I've got like a dedicated terminal. The one I want is not realistic, but I'm starting to visualize it. And I think we're going to do it. We've got enough positive messages. The one thing I think I'd like to still sort of sort out is execution. So I could definitely use tips on like restrictions, what we can and can't do. When we, if we can break out those
kinds of things. So I'm feeling like we just need to cook that bit up. Yeah. Well, yeah. Like, I mean, think about it like publishing shows and stuff. There are certain things that we have to use. web apps for that, I don't know.
We could do some of that like wellness tracking so that like you can meet 80% of your time in the TUI and then the essentials you get 20% to fit it all in.
Yeah yeah hey Odyssey Western is back with 25,000 sats, headphone boosts thank you sir appreciate it we got there we got there, Yeah. Oh, good. Maybe it's the ADD. That is kind of our hope, is to kind of keep it fresh. Mostly you kind of know the range of topics we're going to be sort of over the target on, but every now and then we like to do something different. Keep us on our toes, too. Regarding the data.
If I wasn't already playing nice, right on right on you know I actually wonder if the stream couldn't be useful for people that are attending too like that something that's been in the back of my mind is if you attend you tune in you get sort of the 411 on what's going on, he's asked if he's supposed to sign up for talks nope, show up Do your thing. As Brent says, let your freak collar? I don't know. Because I don't have flags up there, so I'm not sure.
Well, the flyover friend flew over with 22,222 sats. Simply says, headset fund.
Hey, hey! Thank you. We really appreciate that. Somewhat Justin comes in with 4,004.
Sats. Ooh, it's crisp, though. It is.
I would love to see a window tiling manager challenge. Yeah, that's another top requested one. punishment you have to disable all window rules tiling and yes I do that the aspect ratio or you have to have been stretched slightly but it's.
Not it's not.
Realistic I could do access to you easier than I could do a tiling window manager I might take that oh okay yeah yeah right that's the.
Okay so how many different.
Playing it damn I on Super Nintendo.
Gameboy Advance okay see.
Hey, congratulations. Oh, too soon. Too soon.
Well, Hybrid Sarcasm shared 10,000 sats with us. Loved episode 609. I'm a huge StarCraft fan, and it was a lot of fun to hear you guys having so much fun with it. Also, plus one for the 2E challenge.
Which you want to play some subset of.
I'm adding you to the list. Yeah, Brent's got a full-on addiction now. He's been basically playing StarCraft since we hung up last week.
Where do I get rehab? Is there a phone number I can call?
Yeah, come on, man. Come on.
Brent, hey, Brent, it's Sunday.
That is pretty compelling. Just like, oh, I ordered fun game time from the internet, and then it just showed up, and I can use it.
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PJ.
Are you boosting the show this week, too? Are you testing node capacity? Yeah, I do. Test for Wes, a little coin for the headset. Look at you contributing to the headset fund. What? Okay. Under that fund... To recreate that i just kept.
Ah this is not uh what.
Gene did not like he did not like the gameplay he says non-gameplay bits were good but he didn't like the gameplay so there you go it's good to hear from gene though through wes i suppose oh okay.
I see it's also got what like.
Four Wes.
I am noting most of your tests are also rows of ducks.
So good job playing the game.
Yeah, you did. Speaking of rows of ducks, 8-tone came in with a row of ducks. I've heard some rumblings about the R36S and Max in the Love 2D community. It'd be very cool to use the R36 to see it gain a little more traction as a target platform for amateur game development.
Yeah, it's just like a rectangular construction.
R36 is still the device to have, although I do like my screen.
Ergonomics may be at the end of the shape.
In the bedroom just every night I pick it up play a few games I got video poker on there it's a lot of fun it's really simple no fuss no muss, Oh, really? That's... There's something there, I think.
Does it run StarCraft?
You know, I wouldn't be surprised if you could actually get it on there. Yeah, it actually does have... It does have the StarCraft 64. Yeah! Also... There you go. Okay.
It does seem perfect for just taking it on the plane, carrying it in your bag for a little downtime here and there while you're waiting for whatever.
Don't ever make a show about gaming again. Or at least put the technical parts at the beginning and the gaming at the end. I was moving forward 30 seconds until gaming was over. At least this happens once every two-ish years. But keep up the good work and also never gaming again.
You see what I'm saying? You see what I'm saying? Exactly. Oh.
Ah.
That is true. I'd like to know. I'd like to know. There's Gene Bane. He's back with 13,559 sats. Here's some coin for the headsets. I read the bit about how he hates the gaming. He's testing Wes, and he's testing Wes some more. All right. Thank you, Gene. Feedback received. We will never talk about video games again. No, I'm kidding. Although we don't do it very... I think it's actually been more than two years. I just came up with two years as a random time, but it may have been more than that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're gonna work it in slowly though, so don't worry. Oh. That's got to be kind of crushing. That sucks, man. Sorry to hear that. All right, you got it. We're only going to be talking about gaming going forward. Guarantee it. I cheat. Thank you, Sire. It's good to hear from you. Sorry to hear about all the lost hours, man.
Well, Menin boosted in 2000s Satoshis. Hey, guys. A small boost towards the headset from your listener here in Bangalore, India.
Aha, thank you.
Using fountain to listen to the shows and thanks for all the excellent work you do.
Thank you for checking in nice to hear from you from banglador and thank you for the headset fund appreciate it tomato comes in with 5 000 sats i enjoy the variety of shows and styles recently including the gaming silliness i wouldn't want every show to be like that but once in a while it's fun yeah all right i think that's fair, yeah no kidding that was our one shot you're right about that.
Oh it's got the star crafts in there of course, oh castle crashers yeah that's fun.
And i like something to look at we.
Do like links to nix configs thank you uh that seems crazy but maybe it's the the muso comes.
In with 50 000.
Sets kasuri uh boosted in 5 000 sets unplugged.
Headset fund is.
Here's my multi-monitor setup 32 inch 1440 ultrawide with a 165 hertz.
It's a refresh. Okay.
And an LG dual-up ultra-tall on each side of the ultra-wide running NixOS and KDE Plasma. So, just to be clear, that's two portrait monitors and one regular one all hooked up to a VFIO rig.
Oh, interesting. I'd love to hear more about that. Thank you, Kyrgiosia. That's a killer setup. WH2050 is here with 5,000 sets. I was catching up on the back catalog and I just listened to episode 551. A listener boosted in asking about using the Quest with glasses. Well, I haven't heard any more on the subject, so I thought I would mention. I struggled with this until I discovered you can get prescription lenses with adapters that snap over the Quest screens.
The place I got mine is out of China, so the terrorism might not be worth it, but you could do a bit of search-exing. How do we say that? Search-NG. You know, something besides Google. to go see what options are out there. WH, that's great. Good to know. I'm glad to hear you can get prescription lenses. Sounds like it just might be a little bit how you go about it. True. I think, yeah, I think Fuzzy should do it. I think he should do it. Give in to the StarCraft side.
It sounds like maybe secretly we should start a little JB server and just whoever pops in gets beaten by Brent, right?
Meat for the grinder.
Well, Simon boosted in 3,333 sets. Hey, Chris. Yeah, there's also a little human sort of cultural problem.
The other technical problem in that sense.
And Zelda 3.
I would argue on the Windows side, but here we are.
Well, how about co-op link to the past randomizer? It's amazing. Maybe something for LinuxFest Northwest.
So this is a real thing I did not even know existed. There's a website. I'll have it linked in the show notes. It's amazing. And I think we should take a look at it after the show. Simon, you have opened my eyes to a world I did not even know existed. So thank you very much. And it could be the perfect thing for LinuxFest Northwest. Producer Jeff is here with a row of ducks. And he says, happy West Day. Yeah, that's true. It was a birthday week.
It was a birthday week for Mr. Payne, our very own. And PJ boosted in to say thanks, or to say happy birthday. Yay!
Did you have a good day, Wes?
Yeah all right all right, Help. But first time, please. oh congratulations thank you wow it's been a minute since we heard from a long timer tr selby is he caffeinated often you know in a chat room or something like that so it's good to see where the rubber.
Meets the road used towards getting the brent bus new rubber boots so you can roll on home thank you.
Ah yeah ubuntu 610 was a solid release, oh me oh i see he's got a math to it i like it, What'd he say? Well, thank you, Caffeinated Linux. It's really good to hear from you. That's awesome.
Well, BHH32 sent in 10,000 sats. Here's my contribution to the headphone fund. See you at LinuxFest Northwest. It'll be my very first LinuxFest, and I'm super excited for the Cosmic and the Start Your Own Business talks. Plus my 12 year old daughter is excited for the Blender for Beginnings.
That should be good.
Also if the community is interested I have a new blog post for the community that may be interesting. I talk about a controversial topic. Rust is easy and Go is hard. I'll link to that in the show notes.
Well you know what? BHH we look forward to seeing you. and you'll know it's us because we'll be the one with big, fancy broadcast headsets on. That's right! Thank you, everybody. We really appreciate it. Great way to support the show. Again, all of you also boosted in below the 2,000 set cutoff. We do read them all, of course. And a shout-out to all of the SAT streamers. 31 of you stream SATs as you listen to this episode collectively. You SAT streamers stacked 40,927 SATs.
When you combine it with our boosters, This episode brought in a grand total of 351,847 sats raised for episode 610 of your Unplugged program. If you'd like to boost in, the easiest way is Fountain. It integrates with Strike, and there's several options there, and they manage all the lightning stuff for you, and you can boost right in. But there are also some very fun and challenging, in some cases, self-hosted options.
You can get started at podcastapps.com. So you've got the full range to choose from to boost into the show, to send us a message, and support each individual production. What we love about it is all of this is open source. We run our own nodes. The infrastructure itself is peer-to-peer and free software.
It all runs on top of Linux and of course even the sats themselves there's no middleman so we don't have to go to Stripe or PayPal they don't have to take five percents all of your sats go directly to us and then the splits are built in automatically so when you send a boost a bit of it automatically goes to Wes and Brent and myself and editor Drew the podcast does have a question mainly for you Brent I think I'm.
Going to do some car.
Camping if possible do I need permission from in the college to do so.
We ask you support with a boost. Any tips?
Or become a member and get access to a whole bunch more stuff including the bootleg and the ad-free version of the show. And thank you everybody who does support us. It makes all the difference in the world and it keeps us going. We definitely need you to buckle up for this one because we got two great picks this week. One, I'm just going to throw out there as the first that was mentioned earlier which is the randomizer game for Zelda.
And you can find this, it's on the web it's like alt tpr.com well it's it's uh it's a playthrough that shuffles the location of all the important items in the game and then you can join with a co-player and essentially play like a fresh version of breath of the wild or not breath of the wild but legend of zelda, It is. It's GPL3. It's web host, or you can host it yourself. And randomizer. Yeah, it is really great. So link to that in the show notes.
But this week, I think this might even have been a prediction of mine, but that's not why it's in here. You had a chance to play with chat chippity. And it's not me just being cute. It's actually the name of a terminal client tool that lets you get answers from LLMs on the command line. It's chat, get information, print information, TTY, is what it stands for. And it's a command line client for ChatGPT.
It allows you to chat with your chosen model in a terminal.
You can even pipe your output to it where that starts to seem pretty fancy.
Plus one here for the idea of making all those great AI songs available for streaming. There's some real gems in there that we'd love to browse through. And just a general thanks for the great work. Well, thank you.
It often happens like...
Yeah, someone has a habit of overproducing the bootleg.
Which also means you could echo the air output and have it start diagnosing for you right there. Absolutely. Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
And our last boost from Bronze Wing with a row of ducks. Headphones and gaming. Yes! Hey, we're well in progress on both of them. Yeah.
What could go wrong what could go wrong i hope you ran it with sudo too, oh okay all right i would have done it with sudo, I was going to find you because it felt.
Ooh, get your coast ready.
But then it started to actually be useful like i i i was i start i read west had this whole thread of his result and i'm like oh that's funny that's cute and by the end of i'm like oh, oh you're actually using this to get things done now like this was actually useful and andy and i i thought this would be a really funny gag for us to talk about look at the stupid thing you can do a chat GPD from the terminal, but as you played with it, I realized actually, this is something useful.
Yeah, I always do, actually. I love it. Even when I'm on a meeting sometimes and I got a screen behind me, I'm like, should I throw Hollywood up on that screen? I'd much prefer something that's like a fake defrag. I love the way those look.
You answered my question. I was going to say, you've got to give Spectacle at least a little dimension.
How did you hack it in? Oh, yeah, okay. Open Router talks like chat GPTs, OpenAI, whatever, API? Exactly. Okay.
Uh srts or sub subtitle files basically the same thing yeah yeah it could be a subtitle.
Uh yeah i haven't actually had a chance to try it yet, right it's just basically like a python file that hooks in to um all the you know apis we have around open source llm so here's how it reads this script extracts structured information from vtt files such as zoom meeting transcripts or closed captions and converts it into json and markdown formats this includes an overview participants main topics key points decisions and action items.
It uses open source LLMs to handle the data extraction and summarization, ensuring everything can be run locally without the need to share with third parties. But presumably also, if you wanted to, you could plug in a third party API provider as well. Hmm.
Sort of create a context. Right, okay. Okay, so you solved for what I was thinking while you were talking is, God, you know what I would love is some sort of local llama instance. Maybe it's on my NAS. Maybe it's on my best workstation. And it learns. And it knows my preferences somehow. And so it knows, oh, he always wants this kind of output. Or it knows my context between projects. Where you could point a command line tool at your own always learning system would be really something.
Yeah, I mean, that's pretty neat. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Your vibe shelling. Amazing. Mm-hmm. Chat, Jippity, we'll have a link to it in the show notes. Much of a hassle to get up and running? Okay. Oh, my God. It's LLMs all the way down. All the way down.
OS, the chat room is already asking if they can get a version of your visualizer because they're looking for exactly that. So you're going to publish that stuff, right?
Maybe one day. Stay tuned. You may never know. You said you had good news? Yeah. Oh, right. I forgot. I got so wrapped up in your cool pic there that I completely forgot we were doing like a thing. Yeah, go ahead. Reboot it. Let's do it. Let's find out. Do you want what? You want like a... I got it going, I think. Is it .4? Yeah. Yeah, it's going. All right. So this is where we wait and find out.
Okay we're getting pings and we're getting replies i should say it appears the server is back from its reboot, all right all right you're getting in, yeah that is do you have the one thing to check is do we have our zfs pool or pools, if we have that, that's a good sign that the applications will start. All right, we got ZFS. Okay, we do not have applications yet, but the fact that the server is up and the ZFS pools are online, Wes Payne, I think you have the correct answer.
At some point this is not going to work that was nearly a year between Arch updates unbelievable unbelievable that it worked so well, yeah he didn't even check the news he didn't even check the news yeah, Ah, whoo, don't do as we do.
So what's the next irresponsible thing we could do in the next year before we update it next time that should add to this kind of suspense? Is there any ideas out there?
Well, I mean, you can always take some comfort in knowing that I'm constantly adding new applications to this thing and new data. So I'm actively using it and adding more applications that it's constantly having to run. So every time we do this, it's gotten substantially more complicated.
I heard you say StarCraft server is what I heard.
I like where your head's at, Brantley. Oh, now I like where your head's at.
Oh, I don't like this at all.
All right, well, boost it and tell us what we should run on our beloved Arch server that should finally be put out of its misery, but we just can't kill. Let us know also your thoughts on if anything could succeed Git and GitHub in the next five to ten years. And last but not least we want to know if you tune into a saturday stream on the i think it's the 26th for linux fest northwest and we are still polling everybody for their thoughts on the gaming content but without with all of that said.
Why not make it a linux tuesday on a sunday join us at around well we really start around 9 30 but it's 10 a.m pacific we have it over at jupyterbroadcasting.com slash calendar. And if you've got a podcast and a 2.0 app, it just shows up in your feed ready to go. You can plug jblive.fm into anything that plays in the MP3 stream. And of course, we've got the Mumble Room, too. That's a lot of stuff. So I just try to run through it as quickly as I can without screwing it up too bad.
Links to what we talked about today, linuxunplugged.com slash 610. RSS feed, contact form, Mumble info, membership stuff, all of that's over there. Thanks so much for joining us on this week's episode of the Unplugged program. See you next Tuesday, as in Sunday.