Hey everyone and welcome back to your weekly Linux and open source news show. I'm your host Nick and this is a podcast where we discuss everything that happened in the Linux, open source, privacy and open web spaces. So this week we have Linux Mint, disabling unverified flatpacks all together from their app store. We have Windows Recall, that nightmarish feature that is basically a Trojan or spyware already being hacked even though it's not even
available to the public yet. We have KDE asking you to help them define their goals for the next two years. We've got some solid updates to elementary OS 8 to Thunderbird. We've got Proton Pass now available as a desktop client for Linux. We've got some driver work being done and the usual AI related stuff which still paints a pretty bleak picture plus Linux passing the 2%
market share on Steam. So if as always you want to dive deeper on any of these topics, all the links that I used to write this show are in the show notes and if you want me to keep making this podcast and you want to support it, you can also find links to do just that in the show notes and if you become a Patreon member, you will actually get a daily version of that show
from Monday to Friday. Also important to note, next week there won't be a Linux and open source news show because I will be on vacation, things will pick back up the week after that. So now let's begin. So Linux Mint is making some moves on their software store
and on their repos. First, they have apparently implemented a bit of anonymous tracking on their repos to see when people are downloading the most things, the speed with which every package is looked up or delivered and also the various bottlenecks that might slow down your experience in downloading and installing
packages on your system. The goal is to have their repos be as fast as possible but also to try and optimize how much they will pay because they are moving to a CDN instead of having just various mirrors everywhere which should be much faster for most people but also will cost them a bit of money so they need to optimize all of that. Apparently all of this data is completely anonymous, they don't log any IP addresses, any data, so don't worry about this.
More importantly, they have improved their software manager a lot in the current version of Mint, it should now load much faster, they say the window should even open instantly which is really nice and they have disabled unverified flatbacks inside of this software store meaning that by default when you search for stuff, the only flatback apps from FlatHub for example that you will see are the ones that have been verified as in they've been published by their original developer, anything
published or packaged by a third party which isn't the original developers will be hidden. You can show them back up because you can take a trip to the settings and enable those, you'll get a little warning telling you that these applications are not official and could be maintained by anyone so you shouldn't probably trust them all
that much. Now even when you enable those unverified flatback applications, they will have a red warning under the application's name, they will not have any reviews attached to them, they won't have a score as in like no score, no little stars across it, they are just really treated as a second class citizen.
Now as per their move away from GNOME apps because Mint said they wanted to fork previous version of GNOME apps instead of shipping GNOME apps directly because they want to build applications that look well on Linux Mint and would also look well on other desktops like XFC or Mate for example, they are apparently talking with a lot of involved parties including some GNOME developers on how best to do that and how not to create friction or problems or how GTK could
be adapted to help Linux Mint support all of that and they're saying all those discussions are very constructive, they haven't reached any big decision yet or a specific path on which they're going to whether it's forking the current apps or I don't know maybe shipping current apps with a different style sheet, whatever, they didn't say if they had reached a conclusion, well they specifically said they didn't but at least they're talking constructively which is nice
because this kind of stuff can always devolve into a little ego fight and apparently that's not the case here. So it's good to see that people are communicating and collaborating between platforms and projects, hopefully there won't be too much duplication and those apps will be able to be as well supported
as GNOME apps could be. Now as per the Flatpak thing, I think they're right to hide unverified apps by default, they could be made by anyone but honestly if you decided to manually re-enable them I would have left the reviews in there because if you're going to be exposed to apps made by third parties you should be able to see what other users think about it and if those apps have been like noticeably worse or badly packaged or have problems, security or privacy related problems in them
it would be nice to have other users comments and reviews to know that hey actually this third party thing you should not install it is pretty crap. And also if you think about it what Mint provides in their repos which are based on Ubuntu's repos is unofficial packages, they have not been created by the original developers if you install GIMP from the Ubuntu repos.
This app is not distributed or packaged by the GIMP developers, it's made by the Ubuntu developers, it's a third party or at least an Ubuntu maintainer, it is a third party so it should probably have the exact same warnings and it probably should not have reviews
either. This is something that has surprised me quite a bit recently with Flat Hub and Snaps and stuff like that because yes you have applications distributed by like random individuals on these stores, that is also the case of every repo for every distro.
If you install something from the AUR it's all random stuff from a Rendo individual and there's as much control on Flat Hub and the application published there as there is on the AUR or on Ubuntu's repos so if you want to treat those unofficial Flat Paks or Snaps or app images as second-class citizens you should do the exact same with the apps in your repos probably.
Now I talked about Windows Recall last week, Microsoft's horrendous new feature that will take screenshots of your screen regularly and pass them to an AI so you can find stuff you have done
in the past. This tool has already been hacked by someone, even though it is not available yet, it will only be available on Copilot plus PCs meaning AI enabled PCs from Microsoft, current PCs that could absolutely run this feature perfectly will just not support it but still someone managed to enable it and hack it immediately.
It's supposed to be released on June 18 so in 11 days at the day I'm recording this and so obviously anything that has been hacked here or detected here will probably not see any fixes or changes before it's released. So the hacking tool is called Total Recall and it can pull everything that Recall recorded because apparently the entire database is left unencrypted and
available in plain text. So the hacker said Recall is basically a built-in Trojan and they share the tool publicly to incite Microsoft to fix the feature before they release it to everyone. Well at least to everyone that has a compatible PC. Total Recall can automatically find where the database is located on your system, they can copy it while it passes its content, it can extract data from a set time range and it does so in about two seconds for a day's worth of
screenshots. You can also even search for specific terms in the database to find anything the user might have done in any application no matter how protected, encrypted or secure the app is because these are screenshots so they have all the info, you are accessing a screenshot of the application no matter how it's secured you see what the people
see on screen. It is truly nightmarish stuff, I hope Microsoft will fix this before releasing the feature or even better maybe they'll realize no one really wants this or needs this in its current form and will just decide to postpone or completely cancel it but I highly doubt it. And despite the unmitigated disaster that is Windows Recall, at least in terms of security and privacy it looks like Google wants the exact same feature for Chrome OS which they refer to as
"memory". They've said that what they think creeped users out in Windows Recall is the lack of user control over when and what is being recorded which shows they haven't read enough blog posts recently because first you can disable Windows Recall on any PC that supports it, a trip to the settings will let you disable it entirely and second what creeps people out isn't the fact that they don't have a few combo boxes to say if each app has the right
to be recorded or not. What creeps people out is the very nature of the feature, your computer being screenshotted all the time and the contents being stored in an unencrypted database that has been hacked less than a week after the feature was announced that is what is creepy now just having a few more controls.
Now Google talked about a specific use case which was a meeting which you would record with their version of Recall and at the end of the meeting it would generate meeting notes and the action items which sure sounds cool but first that's not what Recall does at all so I don't know if they really understood this or maybe I read the article wrong but yeah Recall doesn't
do that. Recall lets you search through things that you've done so you type A I saw a brown bag probably like in the last month can you show me that and it's gonna display you screenshots of the web pages you visited that have a brown bag displayed on those pages it doesn't generate meeting notes or whatever else.
Second this should be an application-based feature the video conferencing app should handle doing those things generating meeting notes and action items the operating system should not be able to access that kind of data and potentially let other applications also access it because it's stored OS wide.
Personally I think those Windows Recall efforts are misguided at best the feature in itself is very interesting having full system-wide ability to search for things that have been categorized and analyzed so it's there's like a whole cementing thing around this meaning that your OS recognizes or your applications recognize what you've been doing it's not a find me this website it's I don't remember the website I don't know when I saw it but I remember there was a photo of a superbly well painted
landscape and it's gonna look for that through what you've browsed I think that's cool. The problem is this should be application based not OS based the applications you trust should be able to access their own data as they already do and to display it in a way that is relevant for the type of content they handle.
For example if you're looking for a document the app handling this document is the best place to recall what you've worked on and displayed the proper way if you're looking for a website the web browser is the right place not the operating system and if you want to have an OS wide feature then sure develop the AI and the API around it at the OS level but then use something akin to portals that we have on Linux to let each application send that data through the portal
to the OS analyzing tool the results go back to the application itself where you trust them because you use that app so obviously you trust that app technically and then the app is in charge of displaying everything and then the system could also display a full recap through all applications but the OS shouldn't be the source of the of the data storage and shouldn't be the one to analyze everything applications should be the source of all of this and the OS should just be
able to collect that without really knowing what it is they should just display it OS wide having this done through screenshots is a terrible terrible thing and it's it's pretty lazy as well because like there are other more intelligent ways to develop this but of course they take a bit longer now of course uh Microsoft and Google will never do it in this way because the real reason why they're developing these features is not to give you an OS wide system history they are doing
this because they want to use those screenshots to train their own AI tools and that's very likely what they're already doing with those features well Microsoft at least Google hasn't implemented it yet or what they will do in the future at some point Google will train Gemini with those screenshots and Microsoft will train an open AI replacement because there have been inklings that they want to get more independence from open AI and chat GPT so they will never do it in an API
based privacy based portal based way they will always do it in a way that lets them grab all the data and don't let apps handle that data instead now more fun stuff Kady is asking you and all the Kady plasma community to help them define their goals for the next two years they created a board where you can open a ticket to explain your idea that would improve Kady so active contributors will then go through all those ideas and proposals they will identify issues request
clarifications they will refine the goals if maybe some of them could work together or just be grouped in one single one they will do that they will just tidy the board up and then they will vote on these goals and the selected ones will be announced at academy in early September the process is open to non-Kady contributors and also to non-developers although the person submitting the goal is sort of expected to be the champion of their goal and to rally people
around it to ensure it can get done now it could be someone that hasn't written the goal on the board but you will need to provide someone that is the champion for that goal and pushes it forward even if it's not through code or development you have until July the 5th to submit yours there are already a few in the board including for example improving compatibility between Kady desktops and mobile devices polishing things up like adding for example a visual representation
for the clipboard letting people configure touchpad gestures stuff like that there's an idea to sandbox everything that is Kady related so everything is nice and compartmentalized and access to portals and a lot of stuff to rework workspaces and the tiling managing feature and stuff like that so if you want to contribute you absolutely can there's a board where you can just create your idea goals can be very small like a new feature or they can be much bigger so don't
hold back as long as you're ready to potentially get involved after that to help guide that goal so it can be reached now we also have some interesting updates for elementary os8 first there's confirmation that they won't lock you into wayland they said they wanted to have wayland as the default session but they will let you choose in the login manager between x11 or wayland they hadn't really talked about that so now it's a nice confirmation that you will be still able to use
x11 if you want their dock will also gain a new feature which lets you just launch apps by pressing super plus a number like most other docks out there the system settings also received some work judging from the screenshots they look really nice really legible basically they look like GNOME system settings but with a lot more color better icons and just a more visual flair that is way more user friendly in my opinion they also moved the page to let you install
additional drivers like the proprietary nvidia drivers to the system settings so they're no longer in the app center meaning that the app center has nothing to do with the dev package repos anymore it just handles flat packs it won't offer apps from the Ubuntu repos just like in the previous version but more importantly they will offer flat hub as a remote by default meaning that when you start elementary os you won't have to go to the flat hub website download a flat a
flat pack ref file install it manually and then you'll get flat hub you will get flat hub by default so you will have all the apps you need out of the box and you can still obviously use the repos from the command line even though it would probably be better if they still let you use the repos in the app center now as per their developer platform to make elementary os apps they've also updated that one it is now available from elementories flat pack remote meaning that
developers can either start working on new applications or update their current ones this developer platform is based on the GNOME 46 platform it includes all the things that makes elementary os apps look like elementary os apps so there's their own style sheet there's their granite widget library which is sort of like libviter but for elementary os and there's lib portal to work properly with all the system features even when sandboxed with a flat pack now i think the
elementary os app ecosystem used to be really fantastic before GNOME started with libviter now as far as i can see most apps that would have been distributed as elementary os apps are now distributed as simple GNOME applications which obviously will work on elementary os but won't look right because elementary will not theme them and since GNOME also doesn't support the accent color portal then they also won't have the right color either so yeah it's nice to have flat hub
it's nice to have access to most applications because the elementary os app ecosystem has not grown all that much since the release of elementary os 7 probably most people have gone to developing GNOME apps instead still i am very interested in elementary os 8 i started this channel on making elementary os videos i think it's a fantastic well polished good looking operating system and desktop and they are fixing the mistakes that well what i consider it as
mistakes which was not shipping flat hub by default for example so if that's corrected that's going to make the system way more accessible for most people and visually it does look really nice so i am excited to try it out when it officially releases hopefully it's not too far in the future because they tend to take a long time to release those new versions after the LTS they're based on actually sees the light of day now in terms of applications we'll start by talking about
thunderbird they're making good progress on a bunch of cool features chief among which is exchange support this is almost finished with the main workflow now being implemented you can set up your exchange account in thunderbird it will automatically grab all your folders all your messages when you click on an email it's going to display it correctly and they still have some work to do on making sure messages are properly sent properly stored and then there will be a
broader call for testing before this feature goes out to everyone you can enable it uh in the i think it's in the nightly releases of thunderbird already but obviously if that's your main like work account you probably should not test that on that account because well you never know they will also add support for the system tray on linux in thunderbird for people who use the system tray this is apparently due to thunderbird using rust to build certain modules in thunderbird i don't
really know why they needed to use rust to build a system tray icon a lot of apps that don't use rust have system tray icons but maybe it made it easier for them i don't know other things include letting you choose an accent caller in the application itself hopefully they will integrate that with the accent caller portal that exists the accent caller preference that exists in kde and other desktops they will also add multi-folder selection probably for reorganizing your folders
and they will rewrite folder compaction entirely to save some space for windows users they will add native notification support as well but we don't care about that here because we use linux now that's pretty good progress on this application thunderbird is still my email client of choice for my work email my my personal email is handled through protonmail so i use the desktop client which is just an electron app but for the rest i use thunderbird it's great having exchange support
doesn't matter to me but it will definitely make it easier for people to move to linux or just to move to open source applications instead of using outlook so that's nice the system tray has been a well requested feature for a while for thunderbird so cool for people who need it me personally the only thing i really want them to change is the search the current search i think is really bad not super usable really doesn't return the things i want i have a hard time finding what i need so
if they could improve that i would be happier than with all those features but i guess for most people the features they're working on will be much more useful and still on applications this week we've got the release of proton pass the password manager from the makers of protonmail as a desktop client on linux there are a bunch of caveats here and i'm saying this proton is a regular sponsor of my youtube channel they never sponsored a podcast those things are now completely
sponsor free they're just reliant on your contributions but yeah i will say this beforehand proton does sponsor the channel from time to time and i do use proton mail and proton pass but that doesn't mean i can't complain about a few things first proton pass is only distributed as a deb and an rpm you don't have a flat pack you don't have a snap you don't have an app image meaning that there are a bunch of distros that just won't be able to use that desktop client
and that kind of sucks second it is an electron app meaning it will not integrate properly with your system it won't support your accent color your theme whatever it will just look like the web page where you can access proton pass and third it is not completely well integrated with the systems authentication system meaning that when you unlock your session you won't automatically unlock the password manager as well that's something they want to do in the future whether
you use a password a fingerprint face unlock with howdy or whatever else at some point it will support that for now though it doesn't in terms of features though since it is an electron app you get all the features that you might know from a password manager or that you might use from proton pass on the web it supports pass keys sharing passwords two-factor authentication email masking aliases and handling of all your logins and passwords and of course you obviously
have the web browser extensions to automatically fill those passwords inside your web browser now proton pass is the password manager i moved to i used to use a firefox account but to be more portable and since i'm starting to look at other web browsers i wanted something that would work everywhere and since i already pay for proton mail for my personal email i decided to go with proton i'm happy about it i just wish the desktop client would be not electron just look like a normal
linux app that follows my theme and and the look of my system i wish they had sandboxed it into an official flatback but it is a first step now really what i reasonably need to be super happy with proton is the proton drive desktop client for linux a syncing client that syncs in the background automatically when they get that i will be 100 happy still nice to have the desktop client it's not the best it could be but at least it exists now we've got some good news for nvidia
users as well in the linux kernel 6.11 the nouveau drivers which are the open source drivers for nvidia will gain support for using the command line to pass options and interact with the gpu system processor firmware or the gsp this is the thing that lets you control your gpu properly so things like changing the display brightness through the gpu or changing the performance levels of your nvidia gpu should thus be possible at least through the command line but it also means that anyone could
develop a graphical tool that lets you manage your gpu properly at least for recent nvidia gpu's the rtx 2000 series and newer it also means that desktop environments could decide that their performance profiles like for example a battery saving or performance could also automatically change the power level of your dedicated nvidia gpu even in hybrid graphics mode meaning that the system should just be more reactive in general and should just work better even with open source
drivers and since the nouveau drivers will also be used if you use nvk the new open source vulkan drivers for nvidia which are shaping up to be really really nice that's pretty cool you can already change those settings to the proprietary drivers if you have nvidia settings app but it tends to not really save the changes from session to session that there's apparently a method but it never worked for me ever and also if you use wayland most of those settings are just not available in
the nvidia app but they would be with nouveau and nvk and any interface anyone could develop around that so it's really cool to see and it's going to make the open source experience of using nvidia gpu's much much better and still on the topic of drivers there's a new one for apple silicon max and it is a vulkan driver this time which is what was missing from the azahi linux experience to really have solid graphics support on apple silicon max so the driver is called
honey crisp with a k probably for vulkan and it is apparently derived from nvk the open source nvidia vulkan driver it's been started by azahi and mesa developers and it hasn't been upstreamed yet it is very early days and i say early days but they've already done a lot the driver already is vulkan 1.3 conformance meaning it does pass the test suite and supports most of the necessary extensions to be considered a valid vulkan driver it does need some more work to support extensions
needed by dxvk and vkd3d but at some point in the near future this should let people run steam games or just win those games in general on an apple silicon mac running linux at least if you use an x86 emulator like fex which proved it was quite capable already as the developers for this thing already showed a god of war running on an arm computer using the x86 binaries through protom now the reason the developers based their work on nvk isn't that apple's graphics platform has
anything in common with nvds it's just that these nvk drivers are brand new and there's a lot of vulkan code that isn't specifically tied to the nvidia architecture and probably at some point that more generic vulkan code will be moved into the common vulkan runtime of mesa that they're working on that all drivers could take advantage of so they grabbed the nvk code they removed nvidia specific stuff and they developed the apple silicon specific stuff there's a giant blog post
talking about it it seemed like it was really hard i'm making it look super easy but it really really wasn't if you read the blog post it's insane work that they did but using nvk gave them a pretty big head start so it is insane work here again from the azahi developers if you use azahi linux if you use fedora azahi well at some point you will get access to this driver meaning that you will be able to run some apps with their vulkan back end instead of the open gl back end which is
way faster and way more optimized in general because vulkan is a much more powerful api than open gl or you will simply be able to run games through an x86 emulator meaning that these devices will be fully usable by most people apart from a few hardware related things that aren't supported just yet so great work from the azahi developers again now it's time for our little ai related section of the podcast some employees of open ai apparently wrote a public letter
warning that ai companies are moving forward with their ai tools with undue risk without any good oversight and that they're also silencing employees who are witnessing or want to report irresponsible behaviors with these tools so the letter talks about these ai tools having a lot of potential for harm in our societies for example increasing current inequalities by making rich people richer and like poor people not even having a job anymore there's also potential for manipulation and
misinformation through the use of those ai tools because if you train them on completely biased data they will spit out biased answers all the way up to warning about the loss of control of an autonomous ai system if we ever reach a global ai that does more than just answer a few questions now this public letter comes after open ai threatened to strip employees of their equity if they didn't sign agreements that forbade them from criticizing the company entirely and also prevented them from
talking about these agreements so presumably some people refused to sign and said hell no i'm going to talk about this publicly because that's really not a good sign if my company tells me to shut up and not discuss anything that i might have as a concern open ai ceo even said that the clause would be removed from the from the employee agreement but that was only after all that information was made public so it was probably to avoid apr disaster on top of that at open ai the ai safety team was
disbanded very recently i talked about this on this show the current ceo was fired a few months ago and then rehired and he was fired by the board specifically because he misled them and failed to disclose information and when he was rehired the board immediately disbanded and said you know what we won't work with this person or how he's running this company that's way too risky not a good sign either and the open letter signed by open ai employees was also endorsed by
employees of other ai companies having the exact same worries it was endorsed by some leading ai researchers and some former open ai employees as well some who left specifically because they felt open ai would not behave responsibly so obviously it is a public letter it will probably not accomplish anything open ai will not change its work culture or lack of ethics over a public letter and companies that are focused on building ai currently just want to make it to market first
they want to have the biggest amount of users possible first and if that means ignoring any roadblock whether it's copyright licensing safety or societal problems they will ignore those roadblocks they don't care hopefully we have the eu starting to look at regulations we have the us also starting to look at regulations on that sector so we should see things maybe slowing down a little bit or at least being less of a free-for-all with a little bit more oversight
i personally want to use cool ai tools in my day-to-day applications to make my work faster i already started in the vinci resolve by using the automatic text detection and subtitle generation for this exact podcast if you use a podcast client with subtitles you will get them through the vinci resolve and their use of ai tools why not those tools can be fantastic but i don't want them to be done irresponsibly with any without any regard for anyone else's work or just by encouraging the bad
practices that we're seeing from most of these ai companies nowadays so hopefully they will get some oversight and the fact that some employees working there are also like trying to put their foot on the brakes is probably a good sign in general for how society perceive these tools hopefully this manages to accomplish something but open letters like this generally don't but if you do like ai chatbots and the like but you would want to use them more privately duckduck go has a solution
they unveiled their new ai chat service which lets you choose a large language model chatbot and lets you use it anonymously without installing anything on your computer or signing up for an account they support chat gpt 3.5 turbo clod 3 llama 3 and mix trawl which is one i had never heard about of course this thing is free of charge from duckduck go so there are daily limits in how many requests you can make to any of these bots so to access the feature there's an item in the duckduck
go sidebar the little hamburger menu or you can type exclamation mark ai or exclamation mark chat in the search field just like you could type exclamation mark g to automatically move to google's results for example from duckduck go that's what they call banks all your chats are anonymized with these tools there's no metadata being transmitted to them there's no ip addresses being transmitted either and these chats also won't be used to train other ai tools so duckduck go apparently
has agreements with the chatbot providers to not provide them with that info and the chatbot providers also say that they will delete any saved chat within 30 days after it was made of course if you willingly give personal information to the chatbot then obviously the company behind it will receive that information and will have it for 30 days before they have to delete it so potentially they could access it or use it or someone hacking their database in the meantime
could also get it as well if you're only concerned with these tools is privacy i don't think it's a bad way to access them but of course if your concerns are more related to the quality or veracity of answers or to the potential ethical and licensing issues then that won't do anything for you you're still using those ai tools even though it's a little bit more anonymous okay and now let's conclude things on a little bit of gaming news there's just one item this week
a linux passed the 2 market share on steam and by a pretty big margin it's at 2.32 percent this growth is fueled by your loss of market share from windows even though it's still more than 96 percent of the steam gaming market share mac os also progressed a bit but it stays almost a full point under linux's market share now of course this might just be temporary for the month steam market share tends to fluctuate pretty wildly for linux and mac os because there might be more or less
device from china that are being counted these generally earn windows and so they can skew the data really hard in windows's favor or in this month's case really hard in terms of the linux data still it is interesting to see in terms of distributions this market share growth is fueled by the steam deck obviously steam os is grabbing 45 percent of linux's market share on steam arch is almost eight percent of that market share the steam flat pack interestingly is six percent
meaning that it's seeing a lot more use than it used to and the rest is pretty fragmented amongst distros but steam os 45 percent of that steam market share meaning that yeah linux gaming is only driven by the steam deck hopefully this is not just a fluke with chinese users reporting less data this month and linux dropping back down under two percent next month hopefully that's not going to work like that because it's great to see linux making headway it is still an insanely small market
share it's like the steam gaming market share for linux is even smaller than the general desktop market share of linux which is at about 4.1 or 4.2 percent so even when you say that linux is the second biggest pc gaming platform it doesn't mean much when the first one has 96 percent market share but it does mean that we are getting more and more games playable on linux the more people have a steam deck or run games on linux the more developers will take notice and make sure that their games
work with proton we still need to figure out a solution for antichit tools because there are some going back and forth with that some games let you play some games did let you play but then moved to another antichit solution that doesn't support linux some games flat out said they don't want to hopefully valve has another solution maybe discussions maybe trying to develop a solution a wrapper whatever that would reassure these game developers that even if you're using linux it
doesn't and proton it doesn't mean that you're cheating maybe there could be a detection way to say hey this is proton this is official proton so people gaming with that like just give them a pass for proton if you detect anything else then sure block them but in the meantime like it's proton it's verified by us it's not like an additional layer of weirdness maybe that could reassure them i don't know what they could do but hopefully they have a solution uh in the cards because
right now that's our biggest problem if you play single player titles linux gaming is fantastic but if you try to play multiplayer once it can vary uh widely from game to game it can be very hit or miss still 2.3 i would never have expected that in my entire life ever since i started using linux in 2006 i never thought we would ever be a suitable platform for gaming and we definitely are so that's great okay so this will conclude this week's episode i hope you enjoyed listening
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won't be an episode next week because i will be on vacation things will resume normally the week after that so thanks for listening and i guess you will hear me in the next one bye