Leopold is Back: 13F Filings Reveal a New Bet

Josh: The most famous AI bull on Wall Street just called the top on the entire AI market. Josh: Leopold Ashenbrennan, the 24-year-old ex-open-air researcher who got fired, Josh: started a fund, and turned $250 million into $14 billion in less than two years is back. Josh: And his latest investment portfolio is not what you'd expect. Josh: He's gone completely bearish the entire stock market. He has taken out an $8

Josh: billion short across the biggest names in AI. We're talking about NVIDIA, Josh: AMD, Broadcom, and the entire semiconductor supply chain. Josh: But all is not lost. He also revealed where the next biggest AI investment is Josh: going to be. It's in power and memory. Josh: He's doubled down on his investments in data centers, as well as three brand Josh: new companies. We're going to get into all of this, but first, Josh: let's talk about the biggest changes.

Ejaaz: EJ, the largest company in the world, NVIDIA, the poster child for the AI revolution, Ejaaz: the stock that has made so many investors so wealthy over this run, Ejaaz: is now in the crosshairs. This is the largest short position that Leopold has. Ejaaz: And it's not obviously apparent when you're looking at the filing, Ejaaz: because when you look at the portfolio of what he's most short, Ejaaz: we see VanEck Semiconductor ETF is number one.

Ejaaz: And just beneath that is NVIDIA. Now, currently he has $1.5 billion of short exposure to NVIDIA. Ejaaz: And this comes through the form of a put. Ejaaz: And those who are not familiar with it, a put basically just gives Leopold the Ejaaz: option, but not the obligation to sell the underlying asset at a predetermined Ejaaz: price. So he basically buys the right to sell NVIDIA stock at a higher price should it go lower.

Ejaaz: Now, there is a $2 billion position sitting just above this, Ejaaz: which is a stock that most people may not have heard before. Ejaaz: The ticker is SMH, and it goes by the name of VanEck Semiconductor ETF. Ejaaz: Within this ETF, I was looking through the holdings, and the largest holding Ejaaz: is actually NVIDIA at 20%, which means if you combine the top two shorts, Ejaaz: you get a $1.9 billion short position on NVIDIA.

Ejaaz: And this is probably disappointing to a lot because everyone seems to believe Ejaaz: that NVIDIA is on a one-way trajectory north, but Leopold seems to think otherwise. Ejaaz: In addition to this position, we have Broadcom, Oracle, AMD, Ejaaz: Micron, ASML, Intel, Corning,

Ejaaz: These are all short positions now. And what you'll know is that, Ejaaz: I mean, Intel, one of the ones that he made his bread and butter on, Ejaaz: Intel made him more money than any stock in, I think, the portfolio's history. Ejaaz: He is now short on Intel. And these are all new positions. He's short on Broadcom. Ejaaz: For those not familiar, Broadcom is the company that is responsible mostly for Ejaaz: building out OpenAI's project Stargate.

Ejaaz: That means he's essentially pulling out a short position on OpenAI and Project Stargate. Ejaaz: So there's some concerning names here if you've been bullish on the AI market Ejaaz: for a while, even something like Corning, the optical glass company. Ejaaz: This has been a big kind of beta play after the semiconductor trade. Ejaaz: And he's pulled up a big short position on this. So there's a lot of shorts Ejaaz: that are coming on the market.

Ejaaz: There's, like you said, $8 billion of short exposure. That's 40 times more than Ejaaz: the fund was worth just 18 months ago. So this is a huge position he's taking. Josh: Yeah, it's extremely aggressive. And it becomes more apparent when you realize Josh: that his entire fund thesis was based on a 64-page essay that he wrote called Josh: Situational Awareness.

Josh: And the core thesis, if you remember, Josh, is a big bet on semiconductors, Josh: specifically that compute flops will increase on multiple orders of magnitude over the next decade. Josh: This explicit swing trade that he's made, this $8 billion short position, Josh: is effectively a bet against that now. So it either indicates one of two things.

Josh: One, he thinks that the market is too crowded for this particular trade, Josh: and so he's expecting there to be short-term volatility in downwards pressure on price. Josh: Or he just believes something's broken in his thesis and he hasn't spoken about what that might be.

Josh: Now, not all is lost. If you look on the right side of this chart that we're Josh: showing, there is a bull book as well. Josh: So he does hold still massive positions in stock equity positions for specific Josh: types of companies, as well as taking on call options as well. Josh: So let's look at what he's positive on.

Josh: So CallWeave, he's maintained his position. And CallWeave has been one of his Josh: biggest data center or neocloud investments for the longest time, Josh: since the start of the fund, actually. Josh: And he's taken levied bets on CoreWeave in many different ways through his own Josh: private investment or acquisition of Core Scientific, which helps CoreWeave do its thing.

Josh: So for those of you who aren't familiar, CoreWeave is basically a neocloud that Josh: creates and sets up GPUs and provides them to the biggest AI labs. Josh: They've signed multi-billion dollar deals with the likes of Meta, Josh: Anthropic, and the likes of that. And then if you look just below that, Bloom Energy. Josh: This was his biggest swing trade, our fan favorite of last quarter.

Josh: Bloom Energy creates these portable gas turbines, which you can kind of like Josh: fly into wherever your data center is and generate energy. Josh: Of course, one of the biggest constraints for AI data centers right now is that Josh: you have all these fancy GPUs, but you can't power them up because the energy Josh: grid that is currently here in the US does not work. It's not really effective. Josh: So you need to kind of have supplemental resources.

Josh: That is Bloom Energy. He hasn't exited this position, but he did trim off a Josh: cool $1 billion. dollars. Josh: And to be honest with you, I don't blame him. His position went from, Josh: I believe, $800 million to about $2.5 billion potentially over the last three months. Josh: So it makes sense that he's taking some money off, but he's still maintaining Josh: about just over a billion dollars worth of Bloom Energy stock specifically.

Josh: And then if you look below this, he's increased a bunch of different companies. Josh: CleanSpark, he's increased, Riot Platforms, Applied Digital, and Iron. Josh: Now, if these names seem a little familiar, that's because they play in the Josh: same NeoCloud market as CoreWeave itself. Josh: So he's really doubling down on data centers and NeoCloud specifically.

Josh: He's observed that the likes of Anthropic and OpenAI are releasing newer models Josh: and that compute scaling laws are just continually increasing. Josh: So his big bet is that GPUs is Josh: still needed, but right now it's a delivery function that they're facing. Josh: And these companies solve that versus the actual GPU manufacturer, Josh: which is why I guess he's short NVIDIA, Broadcom, and all the likes. So interesting to see.

Ejaaz: Yeah, this is a new narrative trade that we have forming, where we're kind of Ejaaz: moving away from the semiconductors into more of that infrastructure, Ejaaz: into the power, into the data centers, into the memory. Ejaaz: And he's very much doubling down what we saw last quarter, but doing so in a Ejaaz: way where he's also getting short exposure to the companies that he thinks might not do so well.

Ejaaz: Now, it's important to note that this 13F filing is a snapshot. Ejaaz: It is a single moment in time that is taken based on the previous quarter's Ejaaz: trades. So the trades that are in this 13F filing, the holdings in there, Ejaaz: are from January 1st to March 31st. This is basically where he ended the quarter. Ejaaz: And Leopold has been right pretty much every single time.

Ejaaz: And we've seen his portfolio grow from $220 million to that, Ejaaz: what, $13.7 billion in notional value currently. Ejaaz: But there are some things that he might be getting wrong. When I go back to Ejaaz: that shortlist and I think about the companies that he shorted, Ejaaz: AMD is one of those large shorts. Ejaaz: AMD is up 74% in the last month. And he shorted it.

Ejaaz: So he picked perhaps one of the most expensive moments to bet against this rotation, Ejaaz: but nonetheless, he thinks that the rotation is happening. Ejaaz: So is it a timing thing? Is it a general thesis thing? Ejaaz: Another one that was surprising is ASML. Ejaaz: I mean, as far as I'm concerned, ASML is still the only company that can do lithography. Ejaaz: It's a 100% monopoly on these chips, and he's shorting that.

Ejaaz: So clearly, the thesis really is strongly presented towards memory and power Ejaaz: and infrastructure over the semiconductors. And I think it's just noteworthy to mention. Ejaaz: Now, we have these two charts, the book by the numbers that shows the stock Ejaaz: only positions as well as the top options positions. Ejaaz: Maybe we want to walk through that briefly just to do a little trace over of Ejaaz: what he currently holds and where.

Josh: Well, I think what actually might be more useful, Josh, is if we walk through Josh: like what his thesis might be for all of these positions, right? Josh: Because these are pretty aggressive, right? Josh: You've got like, why is he doing this? We've got like a massive short position, $9 billion. Josh: That is not a small like number. And then we have this like small,

Josh: weirdly bullish position. but we're unsure because like they're just a bunch Josh: of near clouds and power companies which we haven't really heard of like are Josh: these good are these bad so here's my take. Josh: He's doing a bi-directional trade here for his thesis, and that is he is short silicon. Josh: So he thinks it's an overcrowded trade. He thinks GPU designers such as NVIDIA, Josh: Broadcom, as well as maybe manufacturers of the chips themselves,

Josh: TSMC, they're all like overcrowded trades right here. I don't think he thinks Josh: he's bearish those things. Josh: I just think that he thinks that they're overvalued right now. Josh: And then conversely, he's very long power. He understands data centers and GPUs, Josh: unlike nobody else in this entire market. Josh: He has researched these things for goodness knows how long. And so he, Josh: of all people, will know where that next constraint is.

Josh: And obviously, he thinks it's power, energy. Josh: He doesn't think there's enough energy or ways to get this power and energy to the GPUs itself. Josh: So maybe it's not that he's explicitly bearish on the semis specifically, Josh: but he thinks that his money is better spent chasing that next constraint. Josh: And he's expressed that as not just power, by the way, it's memory as well. Josh: He doubled down on SanDisk as well, which, by the way, is up like 40,000% over the last year.

Josh: So you would think that if any trade was overcrowded, it would be SanDisk. Josh: But obviously, he sees something that we haven't. Josh: SanDisk is famous for creating a specific type of memory known as NAND flash. Josh: Which allows you to kind of store temporary memory for AI models. Josh: Like when you talk to an AI model, it needs to store temporary memory about Josh: you so that he can remember stuff and recall stuff when you're conversing with it.

Josh: That is explicitly something that SanDisk provides. Josh: So I think that he isn't necessarily bearish, the GPUs. Josh: He's just short-term thinking that it's an overcrowded trade and his money's Josh: better spent on things like power and memory.

Ejaaz: And now I'm wondering, is he bullish or bearish on the market as a whole? Ejaaz: Because I mean, this is the first time in the fund's history where the short Ejaaz: side of the book is actually larger than the long side in terms of notional Ejaaz: value and exposure that they have. Ejaaz: And this is a really stark difference for someone who's been really up only and long only. Ejaaz: And when I was first evaluating this, I was wondering, well,

Ejaaz: is this just a hedge? Is this protecting his investments because they've gone up so much? Ejaaz: Maybe he's just locking it in and he's kind of protecting his downside. Ejaaz: But if it was a hedge, you'd really Ejaaz: only expect kind of smaller positions sized to offset the long book. Ejaaz: And we saw this last quarter where he had some hedge positions, Ejaaz: but it was mostly a hedge.

Ejaaz: It wasn't a directional bet. But now that the puts are larger than the longs, Ejaaz: it's kind of a directional bet on the market going down. Ejaaz: So it seems like this weird pseudo thing where he expects the AA market to perhaps go down. Ejaaz: Even as a result of that, some of these things, the memory, the infrastructure, Ejaaz: the energy will continue to go up. And that's the bet.

Ejaaz: So I wonder how that impacts the broader market as a whole, because it puts Ejaaz: him in this like weird juxtaposed position where the market goes down, Ejaaz: but yet some positions will not be going down. Does that make sense? Josh: We actually have some proving points around that, because I think you're touching Josh: on something which is basically uncertainty. Josh: He doesn't know whether in some cases he's right or whether the market will

Josh: go up and down. and you see that with he's matched a bunch of his put positions Josh: with call positions as well aka.

Ejaaz: This is a great chart yeah Josh: He's trading a bi-directional book so what that Josh: means is uh in typical kind of like hedge fund manner mannerisms if you don't Josh: know where the market is going to go whether it's going to go up or down you Josh: hedge positions and you can cream off profit from the premiums that you make Josh: between these positions so let's say you take out i'm just making this up like Josh: a $10 million put position on one company,

Josh: you can take out the equivalent on the other side and then like just earn from Josh: the margins between those different positions. Josh: If the price goes up or the price goes down, you still get paid premiums, Josh: right? It's known as like a collar trade specifically. Josh: So he's done that on four companies, the biggest one being Micron.

Josh: And if he's bullish Sandisk memory, I don't understand how you would also be Josh: bearish from a thesis level on Micron, which is like the biggest US play. Josh: You know, Leopold is a purist, I believe. Josh: And so he's very bullish American stocks. That's why he made his biggest amount Josh: of money from the Intel trade. He's doing it with Boom Energy, NVIDIA and the like. Josh: So it would seem weird that he's like taking out a short position on Micron.

Josh: But the way I understand it is he's doing this as a flat trade. Josh: He doesn't know which way it's going to go. Josh: He does believe the market is overcrowded. He does believe long term it's going Josh: to do very well. But he can't play around with, you know, a crazy billion dollar swing trade. Josh: So he's decided to hedge the market. And I think that's pretty smart, actually.

Ejaaz: Yeah. And I guess you could kind of reduce this down into four key claims to this new thesis. Ejaaz: This is the new Leopold thesis. The first one being that the bottleneck has Ejaaz: moved from chips to electrons. And we have that. Ejaaz: We kind of know that a lot of chips are available. Ejaaz: The problem is figuring out where to plug them into.

Ejaaz: And we see that with the most recent deal that was announced between SpaceX Ejaaz: and Anthropic, where Anthropic is so desperate for compute, they're willing Ejaaz: to partner up with their rivals in order to get it. That is not a matter of Ejaaz: not having enough chips. Ejaaz: It's a matter of not having the correct infrastructure to deploy these chips at scale. Ejaaz: The second claim is that chip valuations are priced for a world that doesn't really exist anymore.

Ejaaz: That ETF, the SMH ETF that we mentioned earlier, it's up 66% year to date. Ejaaz: Meanwhile, Intel is up 200%. So while the market is pricing in a world where Ejaaz: every name and semis benefits equally from this AI demand, Leopold is taking Ejaaz: account of that. He's saying, that's not how this works. Ejaaz: There are winners and there are losers. And the early winners are the ones that

Ejaaz: are going to keep on winning. And he's going to continue to pursue that as far as he could take it. Josh: I just noticed something crazy as well, Josh. Josh: If we go back to these long positions that he's taken. Josh: So he's maintained his core position and he's doubled down on a bunch of neoclouts, right? Josh: These neoclouts, these companies stand to benefit from the exact thesis that Josh: he's trading with this new portfolio. Josh: So let's say that semi stocks go down, right?

Josh: Their stocks would also go down, right? Because they own the GPUs. Josh: But CoreWeave and these other companies own something else that NVIDIA currently Josh: doesn't have, which is... Josh: The power access. Remember, he invested in a bunch of these NeoClouds, Josh: not just because they can run GPUs. Josh: That's something that any data set it could do. You just need capital to do it.

Josh: But more importantly, they have the licenses and access to existing energy grid Josh: infrastructure that can serve these GPUs. Josh: So he's playing both sides of the trade pretty intelligently through just a Josh: single company that can express both his interest in the power trade, Josh: but also his bearishness on the semis trade as well. Josh: Like he can have a win-win. And that makes sense because that's the companies Josh: that or type of companies that he's doubled down on.

Josh: It's exactly these data center neocards that have access to power. Josh: It's a pretty smart trade. Ejaaz: And he's also doubled down on this fun little Easter egg on where you can actually Ejaaz: get this power and get this grid capability. Ejaaz: And those are Bitcoin mining companies. We talked about this briefly last quarter, Ejaaz: but he's going big on them again.

Ejaaz: And this year, US Bitcoin miners are going to approximately put 30 gigawatts Ejaaz: of interconnected power capacity online. Ejaaz: That's roughly, I mean, for comparison, that's roughly the total amount of Microsoft, Ejaaz: Google, Amazon, and Meta combined in what they announced. Ejaaz: So this is a tremendous amount of data centers that they're putting online that Ejaaz: everyone's going to need. Ejaaz: And because people are kind of pivoting from Bitcoin to AI, they already have

Ejaaz: a lot of the critical infrastructure. They have the power. Ejaaz: They have the data center's size. They have it built out. Ejaaz: All they need to do is swap in new chips that are built for AI, Ejaaz: and they're on their way. And that is a really unique, interesting case that Ejaaz: I don't think I've seen a lot of people explore other than Leopold. Ejaaz: It's just taking the Bitcoin pivot, the crypto pivot. A lot of Bitcoin miners, Ejaaz: they're there to follow the money.

Ejaaz: And when the money's in AI and they could put 30 gigawatts online in a single Ejaaz: year, that's a huge amount. Josh: Yeah, when I zoom out from this, right, everything we've discussed so far, Josh: there's like a clear view that he's taking here, which is he's doubling down Josh: on physical infrastructure. Josh: He doesn't believe that can get commoditized.

Josh: What he's saying, and this is a big statement, is he thinks the design layer Josh: of semiconductors, the chip side of things, is overcrowded. Josh: Now, may I remind everyone, NVIDIA doesn't actually make the chips. Josh: They're a design company. They create the design and they send the blueprints Josh: to this company in Taiwan called TSMC, and they actually manufacture and build Josh: the chips for them, right?

Josh: Broadcom does the same thing. Intel creates CPUs and GPUs. AMD as well. Josh: These are two companies that he's short on this recent filing.

Josh: But again they create the designs for these things Josh: they don't actually build the thing now intel and amd's intention is Josh: to eventually do this but they haven't got the necessary factories or infrastructure Josh: to be able to do this that's their plan in the next like five years so he's Josh: making an explicit bet which is like the design space for chips is overcrowded Josh: but the hardware infrastructure layer is where all the money is going and one

Josh: thing that they need as a substrate more than anything is power and so he's making that bet.

Ejaaz: Yeah. Okay. So we have this one section that talks about where the trade breaks, Ejaaz: where this thing can start to break down. Ejaaz: Now I mentioned earlier, AMD, he was short on, it's up 75%. That's got a sting. Ejaaz: Is this correct? And we have a few things listed here on where it breaks. Ejaaz: The first being around Nvidia, the largest short position through these two Ejaaz: holdings that he has of $1.9 billion.

Ejaaz: And it could break in the sense that Nvidia's moat is actually stickier than he thinks.

Ejaaz: So currently he's betting on the fact that Nvidia is going Ejaaz: to become kind of commoditized as it relates to chips likely that Ejaaz: other companies like google and amazon through their tpus or Ejaaz: their trinium chips are going to slowly start to chip away at Ejaaz: the nvidia monopoly and the reality is Ejaaz: that that may not be entirely true when you Ejaaz: see a lot of the purchase orders coming in when you look at the the margins that

Ejaaz: they have around 80 on these gpus a lot Ejaaz: of the volume is still coming into nvidia and Ejaaz: a lot of that is due to this thing called kudo which is the platform lock-in Ejaaz: it's the software stack that runs on top of this hardware and Ejaaz: it's very custom it's very kind of niche and Ejaaz: the people that can build for it and there's a world in which that becomes a Ejaaz: pretty strong molt a moat in which people who are investing

Ejaaz: in nvidia they don't want to leave people who are building Ejaaz: up these data centers it's just easy because they built it before and building Ejaaz: custom infra for all these new chips is going to be complicated is that Ejaaz: true or not we don't know anthropic is kind Ejaaz: of taking the route of it not being true they've partnered Ejaaz: with amazon for um for tranium chips they Ejaaz: partnered with google for tpus and they're using nvidia but

Ejaaz: then you see a company like xai and colossus their entire data Ejaaz: center is purely nvidia gpus and just workhorses and they're taking the new Ejaaz: blackwell chips and they're building them up as fast as they can and they're Ejaaz: very much leaning into that coup de moat so it's something that we're gonna Ejaaz: have to see this is one of the thesis that that might play out but it could Ejaaz: be a little difficult and i mean again nvidia is the most valuable company in

Ejaaz: the world this is a big company to start to fall apart now Josh: Yeah, I mean, we have NVIDIA GPUs that are six to eight years old that are being Josh: rented out a year in advance of their contract expiring, right? And people are paying. Ejaaz: For more value than they were years ago. So the old H100s from years ago are Ejaaz: actually worth more today than they were two years ago. That's unbelievable.

Josh: I mean, Leopold's trading stock kind of reminds me of another trader that we Josh: spoke about a few months ago that got burned pretty badly, Michael Burry, Josh: who went incredibly perish on NVIDIA right at the point that the stock absolutely set. Josh: So I hope the same thing doesn't happen to Leopold. Josh: But to kind of like also pick apart at some of the other kind of like gaps in Josh: his potential thinking or risks here is Leopold runs a hedge fund, right?

Josh: Situational awareness fund isn't a VC fund, which is typically like long only. Josh: It's actually kind of rare to see a hedge fund go super long as aggressively as he did, right? Josh: So the point being is what you see or what we're speaking about in the 13F filings, Josh: which is something that he has to submit, his trade breakdown, Josh: his investment portfolio, every three months, may not be the latest and greatest Josh: trades that he's currently made.

Josh: In fact, today, as we're speaking about this, after he's filed the report at Josh: the end of March, he could have changed all these trades. Josh: He could have done completely something different, right? Another thing I think about is... Josh: When did he take these put positions? When did he take these specific positions? Josh: They could have been at the start of the year. Josh: And like, you know, the fund could have suffered pretty badly.

Josh: Now, the obvious evidence to prove that this isn't the case is the fact that Josh: the value of his fund went from $5.5 billion three months ago to $14 billion. Josh: So the point is, he's made money. He's taken off money from the top. Josh: And it's important to point out that these put positions, these call positions, Josh: these are kind of like levered bets.

Josh: So when we talk about an $8 billion put position in total, Josh: he's typically probably only put up like a billion dollars Josh: worth of actual capital right now he's also paying Josh: a lot of fees and premiums on that so it's like a short-term trade Josh: again i must say like he might have existed some of these trades already so Josh: if you're reading this if you listen to this and you're thinking oh my god i

Josh: need to change my entire stock uh portfolio remember you may not necessarily Josh: be trading like him you're not doing short-term or high frequency trades you Josh: might be in it for the long term and that's a very different type of kind of Josh: like approach and maybe josh this Josh: is a good time to talk about what the retail audience can do about this and Josh: like what the actual thesis might be and where you might want to invest your money going forward.

Ejaaz: Yeah. So we actually have some data to back this up through Polymarket, Ejaaz: which shows us that things might not be as bad as we're perceiving them because Ejaaz: again, retail is different than what he's doing. Ejaaz: I mean, Leopold is a trader. If you're a retail investor, things are a little bit different. Ejaaz: If you think that the AI bubble is going to pop and that's what this implies, Ejaaz: is according to Polymarket, that's sadly mistaken.

Ejaaz: There's only a 24% chance of the AI bubble bursting by December 31st of this year. Ejaaz: Very low probability. There's also a second market that I wanted to highlight, Ejaaz: which shows the largest company by the end of May this month in a few more weeks. Ejaaz: Now, currently, NVIDIA is the largest company in the world, and they're pretty Ejaaz: closely followed by Google.

Ejaaz: The reality is, though, according to Polymarket, there's still a 93% chance Ejaaz: that it stays this way, that NVIDIA is going to continue to take the crown throughout Ejaaz: the course of this month, And I think that's a testament to... Ejaaz: A little bit less volatility than he may be implying with these earnings and with this 13F filing. Ejaaz: So again, it's important to note that this is last quarter's news. Ejaaz: The tides have turned pretty considerably.

Ejaaz: We don't know what's happened over the last couple of months that he's been Ejaaz: trading, but I think it's a good testament to the fact that things aren't quite Ejaaz: as bad as it may seem on the surface. Ejaaz: He's just applying a new strategy that kind of alters the trajectory of this portfolio.

Ejaaz: And thank you to Polymarket for showcasing these charts. So yeah, Ejaaz: I guess we should get back to the question of how do you as a retail investor Ejaaz: adjust to this what is your strategy how do you navigate this are you bullish Ejaaz: are you bearish you just do you have any ideas on like kind of your your gut Ejaaz: take on how you personally plan to position yourself or how people should consider Ejaaz: positioning themselves around this new information so

Josh: I'll give you two answers if i was someone who is kind of like new into this Josh: market um and is just reading leopold's 13f filing and are basing their trading Josh: decisions off of that, you would be tentative. Josh: This isn't a time to go crazy and go all in on a single stock. Josh: I would never advise that anyway.

Josh: But the point is, I think he's being conservative for a reason, Josh: which is the market on average has probably run up a couple hundred percent over the last two years. Josh: And that in a regular stock market is absolutely huge. If you look at the major Josh: increases in the S&P 500, it has primarily been through five top companies in Josh: the Mac 7, which have all invested extremely heavily and aggressively in AI.

Josh: And that money flows downstream into a lot of these companies that we've spoken about already. Josh: So he may just be suggesting that it is an overcrowded trade, Josh: so just be cautious and careful. That being said, Josh: I always have a bullish cap on, Josh. And where my mind goes to right now is Josh: in the power and energy side of things. Josh: Now, I'm aligned with Leopold on the Bloom Energies and the data centers side of things.

Josh: In fact, I think it's genius that even if you invest in some of these top neocloud Josh: providers who are signing, by the way, multi-billion dollar deals with Anthropic Josh: and Meta, you still get to benefit if the semiconductor space goes down because Josh: they own the power capacity. Josh: That's something new that I've learned from this that I'm feeling extremely bullish on, right?

Josh: So that's something that I might pop my money in, right? equally so, Josh: I'm looking at some of his short positions on the likes of companies such as Josh: Corning, which is also a bottleneck, right? It's on the optic side of things. Josh: And NVIDIA just signed a massive multi-billion dollar partnership with them, Josh: and he's short on them. So he's kind of picking and choosing which bottleneck that he wants.

Josh: I'm kind of more bullish on power at this point, but I don't know if he's completely Josh: nailed it when it comes to some of these optical fiber networks and some of Josh: the other short positions that he has. I don't know. What about you?

Ejaaz: Yeah, I think that, well, the general trend through all of this is, Ejaaz: for me at least personally, the way I think about navigating AI is that the Ejaaz: two most powerful, two most important things Ejaaz: our energy and the physical movement of these atoms, I think the physical world Ejaaz: is really difficult and complicated and moves much slower than the world of software.

Ejaaz: And if anyone has a unique advantage around manufacturing, around actual construction, Ejaaz: around gaining the permits to put these things online, that is a huge structural advantage. Ejaaz: The second one is the energy. Everyone is desperate for energy. Ejaaz: Nobody wants to be the bad guy in kind of absorbing the data centers, Ejaaz: using data centers to absorb energy from normal people where they go into cities Ejaaz: and they kind of pull off the grid and energy prices go higher.

Ejaaz: Everyone wants these two things. They want to be able to physically manufacture Ejaaz: things in a way that is cheap, easy, fast, efficient. Ejaaz: They want to be able to have abundance of energy. If there's a company that Ejaaz: has anything that slightly resembles a monopoly in either of these two categories, it's a huge win. Ejaaz: And it's probably something to invest in because they're durable. Ejaaz: On the chip stack, there's a lot of competition.

Ejaaz: There are a lot of people competing directly with NVIDIA. We see it with Amazon and their chips. Ejaaz: We see it with Google and their TPUs. And there's a lot of other companies like Ejaaz: Cerebris, we mentioned last week, had their IPO and they have this brand new novel architecture. Ejaaz: There's a lot of competition there that might flatten margins a little bit. Ejaaz: Granted, they're still incredibly high, but there is a chance.

Ejaaz: Now, in terms of what to look for moving forward, because these are a few things Ejaaz: that I'm going to be interested in, kind of fact-checking Leopold, Ejaaz: seeing if he's actually doing as well as he performs. Ejaaz: NVIDIA has their earnings coming up pretty soon, May 28th.

Ejaaz: And if they guide above $78 billion dollars for the next quarter there's a pretty Ejaaz: good chance those puts get get crushed um they might not be doing too well so Ejaaz: we have these earnings reports that are coming towards the end of this month Ejaaz: we have amd has an analyst day in 2026 we have some pretty serious bloom energy Ejaaz: deployment milestones that we're going to look into Ejaaz: Those are going to be kind of checkpoints that we could then cross-check against

Ejaaz: Leopold's portfolio to see if it is accurate. Ejaaz: But I think thematically, the Ejaaz: idea of energy and infrastructure are two that are not going to go away. Ejaaz: And when I'm investing and when I'm considering allocating my portfolio, Ejaaz: those are the two categories that I'm probably most interested in.

Josh: Well, I probably then want to do a little bit of a victory lap for us because Josh: about a week and a half ago, maybe two weeks, you know, I don't want to brag too much. Josh: We did an episode that broke down where some of the top AI investment trades Josh: might potentially be in the future. Josh: And we went down this infrastructure stack, right?

Josh: And we walked all the way from model labs flowing down to hyperscalers and AI Josh: platforms, such as the Mac 7 that I mentioned earlier, as well as these GPU semiconductors.

Josh: And the point that we made on this episode was that the money is going to flow Josh: from these GPUs and semiconductor trades, so like the likes of NVIDIA, Josh: AMD, Broadcom, these are all companies, which by the way, he took out the massive shorts on, Josh: all the way down into the memory and storage layer and the power and infrastructure layer. Josh: And these are the companies where, you know, overall, he's going pretty bullish

Josh: on, right? He's expressing it through NeoCloud's data centers. Josh: He's expressing it through SanDisk and specific kind of like memory verticals Josh: and power infrastructure companies. Josh: But the point is, we potentially may have called this earlier on, Josh: and we're just following along at Limitless where these different constraints Josh: and bottlenecks are, because it's very important to understand that AI isn't a one-to-one trade.

Josh: You can certainly buy and hold a company such as media and maybe you're better Josh: off over the next decade I think directionally that's probably going to be true Josh: but you'd be remiss if you assume that it was just park your money in one sector and Josh: you're good the point is the money is flowing through this into AI is like kind Josh: of like a car you kind of like it ingests gasoline and like it uses it across

Josh: all its entire infrastructure and then comes out the other end as exhaust fumes Josh: we are currently I don't know, Josh: two-thirds of the way through this car, Josh? I don't know. Ejaaz: We're making our way down the stack. Josh: We're making our way down the stack. And I just want to point out that, Josh: like, this isn't just, like, a thesis that we have, like, pulled out of thin air. Josh: It's based on actual factual numbers.

Josh: Like, for example, memory prices are absolutely sky high right now. Josh: It's gone up on an average of 3% to 500% across all the top memory manufacturers Josh: over the last nine months. Josh: And if you look at any of their capacity, they're booked out for the next year, Josh: actually, until the end of 2027. So it's like a year and a half at this point.

Josh: So these are very real numbers. Now, whether more supply will come out, Josh: whether more power generation kind of pops out of thin air, we don't know. Josh: But directionally, the bet that he's making is in line with our thesis that Josh: we have on the list. So that's pretty cool to see. Ejaaz: And if you've been tuned in, yeah, you're up to date. You know all these things Ejaaz: already. You're familiar with the AI stack. If you haven't seen this episode,

Ejaaz: we released it last week. It performed really well.

Ejaaz: So I would highly recommend going to check it out. We're going to continue covering Ejaaz: this, monitoring the situation. We had the Cerebrus IPO. Ejaaz: We now have Leopold's new filings. There's a lot of new coverage to talk about. Ejaaz: We have some funny memes as well. This one from Nick Carter that is using Leopold Ejaaz: as a joke that says, I don't want to play with you anymore. Ejaaz: He's kind of throwing away the AI industry because he's sick of them.

Ejaaz: And this is a good one. The last thing Intel investors see before they panic Ejaaz: sell. Poor guy, man. Intel bulls. Intel bulls. He turned on you. Josh: I'm an Intel bull. He turned on me. Ejaaz: He made billions of dollars and then he slammed the cell phone and he said, Ejaaz: I'm done. I don't want you anymore. more.

Ejaaz: So we'll see. We'll be following it. I mean, over the next couple of weeks in Ejaaz: particular, as we see these earnings reports roll out, as we start to see the Ejaaz: market reaction to this filing and the new narratives wind shift over to memory, Ejaaz: over to infrastructure and energy. Ejaaz: We'll just continue to monitor the situation. So thank you so much for joining. Ejaaz: I think that's a wrap on the 13F. Ejaaz: We kind of now are fully up to date. We know the new positions.

Ejaaz: We know what he pulls on. We know what he's bearish on. Ejaaz: He just, what's the prompt for everyone? How should they kind of think about Ejaaz: navigating this as they leave this episode and go sit there and stare at their Ejaaz: portfolio and ponder what changes to be made? Do I need to react based on Leopold? Josh: So here's how I feel at the end of this episode, Josh. Josh: And here's what I'm going to prompt people to do. How I feel is I'm the biggest

Josh: fan of Leopold. Don't get me wrong. I think he might have some stuff wrong here. Josh: So what I want people to point out in the comments is what part of Leopold's Josh: thesis do you disagree with? Josh: And let us know why you disagree with it. Because I think, like, Josh: I'm not going to speak on behalf of Josh, but I feel like a little unsettled, Josh: and I'm unsure whether Leopold knows what he's doing.

Josh: In fact, I think given his trading breakdown, I think he doesn't know what he's Josh: doing either. He's playing it safe. Josh: So tell us what we're missing, and maybe Limitless will guess it or preempt Josh: it before it actually happens. Ejaaz: If you had to pick one thing that he's missing or he gets wrong, Ejaaz: do you have any top choice? Josh: NVIDIA. Why are you? Ejaaz: I was going to say the same thing.

Josh: If NVIDIA goes down, all your stocks go down, dude. Like that's the way I see it. So yeah, NVIDIA. Ejaaz: Yeah, 1.9 billion short on NVIDIA seems a little suspect. I'm a little confused Ejaaz: what's going on there, especially because those margins are high. Ejaaz: Everyone needs Blackwell. We're just starting to get the early versions of those Ejaaz: Blackwell models. And if you'll remember, the first one that came out of it was Mythos.

Josh: Yes. Ejaaz: Clearly, there's like a tremendous amount Ejaaz: of value stored up in the NVIDIA infrastructure stack in the software. Ejaaz: It is up only. It is the most valuable company in the world. Ejaaz: And to not continue to bet on the winners seems like a losing strategy. Ejaaz: But as always, we'll see.

Ejaaz: We'll check in. We will stay up to date and we will keep all of you updated Ejaaz: in the loop every day as we follow this journey along the frontier of AI investing Ejaaz: and all of the crazy technologies. Ejaaz: So thank you all so much for watching. If you enjoyed this episode, Ejaaz: don't forget to share with a friend. Ejaaz: Don't forget to leave a comment on YouTube. perhaps give us a thumbs up and Ejaaz: a five star review on your favorite podcast player

Ejaaz: With that, we're done. That's a wrap. You're now up to speed on Leopold. Ejaaz: Yeah. Do with this information what you will. Josh: Not financial investment advice at all. Yeah. All right. See you guys. Josh: All right. We'll see you guys in the next one. Peace.