Twihard Knock Life (feat. Peyton Dix)

And in my youth that meant I was really obsessed with Buffy the vampire slayer interview with the vampire, and then you know, vampires kind of like weren't as cool for a minute, I think after Buffy ended and they became that bitch again with the Twilight song written by Stephanie Meyer and then turned into a film franchise starring Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson. Say, I well, was bored one summer and read all the books, and I have

been on that train ever since. And I have been trying to force you to watch the Twilight movies for so long. Finally, on this past Halloween, we watched Twilight together and now we're going to talk about it with like the only Twilight stand in the world paying dicks. This is like a Virgin the show where we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose, damn you, and

I'm Fran Toronto. Before we sink our teeth into Twilight, we are going to talk about what's going on in pop culture, you know, give a little bit of a look ahead. Ato. Now that it's a new year, new me knew us us. I know that we both saw what is my favorite Marvel franchise, maybe in small part because I was a preteen and this is you know, essentially a twink that squirts come out of his hands. Uh, Spider Man, no way else. Look, that's true, That's literally true,

Like we were teenagers. There's something kind of coming about this, Like you know, cartoon comic book series. I loved reading it as a kid. Um, this is like my favorite superhero of all time. So I had really high X Spider Man really absolutely, you can shame you all you want. I have no powers are so lame. Uh, I I actually can't even I can't even hear to tell me Spider Man is cooler than the Storm from X Men. No, not Storm, but cooler than a lot of other superheroes

for sure. But that's the thing that I love about Spider Man, and something that I loved about this iteration of him in the latest movie No Way Home, was that the thing that I've always loved about him, in addition to a sense of humor, which I think is very singular, is that he's like a really sensitive guy.

And there there's a lot about his superheroism that like isn't is kind of like wrapped up in his very like kidlike heartful decision making skills, and like, I thought that this movie handled that so well in such a

beautiful way. What did you think of the movie? You know, Listen, I tend to like some of the more off the beaten path superheroes rather than kind of like the Big three that get reinterpreted over and over again Batman, Superman, Spider Man, Like I think we've seen enough of them, But that is like kind of the idea that this movie is based off of. It is like, we have

all these spider Men, let's throw them together. And like I will admit that I did even though I like knew it was coming, not because I'd seen spoilers, but like we all knew Andrew Garfield and Tolby McGuire, we're going to show up. But when they did, I still felt giddy. And I haven't even seen that Andrew Garfield Spider Man movie. You know, when we I loved the Tubby McGuire movies, I think I kind of forget I like to the first two. The third one, well, the

third a third one nobody likes. Um. I mean the third one is very camp. I think it's very fun to watch, but for me, like you kind of forget that all the villains are like these prestige actors. It's giving very much like Harry Potter, like where every actor is like well has been dominated for an Oscar. Yeah, and so like I actually love like as a kid.

I don't think I caught onto like the nuances of at Willem Dafoe performance, but when he comes back it it is so like it balanced like drama with I think a kind of camp that like Willem Dafolk kind of brings into a role in a really funny way. It did almost feel like a character from an A twenty four movie, like found his way into a Spiderman film. Those that is such a whip smart assessment, but something

else as ros mentioned. The fact that they were all able to perform an extremely different kind of sensitive guy was so funny. And the way they like had these kind of little moments of bickering that were kind of revolving around how sensitive they all are and how like kind of like you know, kid like they are still was so like well done. I thought Andrew Garfield's Spider

Man specifically was just really nuanced and self aware. It was great, But I mean, the big takeaway of the Multiple Spider Man for me was that Andrew and Toby should have kiss should have There was a there was a vibe that scene where they like did the backcracking. Oh my god, hello there, mama. That was a fan

fiction waiting to be rid. Speaking of fan service, this is also, you know, the first time in Marvel history where they made an entire movie using only a meme as source material, which is the three Spider Man spointing at each other. But the movie just kept like winning me back, you know what I mean. Like when doctor Strange came in, I was like, is this too many characters?

But then I was like, actually, doctor Strange is a great character, and and it's really really funny and like grounded the film in in in an interesting way, and like, like there's a moment that Andrew Garfield has that brings a lot of closure to his own film franchise, and I was like, oh, is this too much closure? But then that moment happened, and like that was just so yeah. I was like, I just like my heart just broke. It was so well done. I just thought the movie.

It was my number one of the year period. I loved really, absolute, absolutely well. Speaking of wizards, as Doctor Strange was you know a wizard in in Spider Man. I think you haven't watched it, but the Harry Potter twenty Year of Union just came out on hreo. Max. I'm going to go fresh my coffee while you talk about this one second. Oh thanks, thanks. I mean our first episode ever was about Harry Potter, so I feel like it must be discussed. Listen. It was kind of boring.

What kind of interesting tasts do you have for us? Rows? Well, I think the most The funniest thing to me was that I was really curious about what they were going to do about the you know she who must not be named of it at all? Um she did appear.

There were a couple of interview segments with her, but while everyone else's like interviews were presented just like as they were all of hers, had a little box on the side that said recorded in twenty nineteen to make it very clear, like we filmed this before she came out as a turf, which I just thought was like very like interestingly self aware, and it made me curious just like about the future of the way that she will interact with Harry Potter as it's presented to a

mainstream audience. You know, these like anniversaries will keep happening. We have the secrets of Dumbledore coming out. This sear like Harry Potter is not going anywhere and she will forever be connected to it. So like how is that going to be man not to get like two into the weeds of it. But like I think that if you're going to involve JK Rolling, that little box should say like j K. Rowling said, X, Y and Z,

and these are things. This is context that is important for you to know when you consume things about her, you know what I mean, Like we said on episode one, like the key to like getting out of this is not saying like cancel j K rolling, she's out, like we're never seeing her again. It's that history has to stick to her in order for us all to collectively move on and to continue to like consume the things

that we love, which is Harry Potter. You know, it did make me think thank god J R. Tolkien like died decades ago, because if he had Twitter, like we would not have been able to do our New Year's Eve. Lord of the Rings rewatched because I'm sure he would be canceled. Canceled. Yeah, I mean, I it's so I really missed those movies. That was like really as satiating rewatching. Any key takeaways from watching the first Lord of the Rings movie. Um, for the thousandth time, it is just

so gay. It's so gay, Like there's no women except r Owen, who's like like you know, she like comes in in the scene and like does it dip and like say its fronto and like yes, queen. Um, I've loved when Bilbo turns into a monster and it is essentially like deassified. Um he hit the anti sleigh button. Yeah, he does get yasified for for for the second movie, doesn't he also? Like, Um, Gandalf and Saramon are very much like you know says like you get that energy

a lot. There's just tension that I didn't see there when I watched it, you know, as a teen, and I was a super fan. Rose was a super fan. I owned like the visual companions, I owned, like the ring from like the official catalog that I wore around my neck like I was that girl. I honestly, I'm going to watch the second and third movies now. I I need I will be as well, because I need something to keep me busy um between Sunday's. Literally, all I do now is wait for a new episode of

Yellow Jackets to come out. Okay, fran you finally watched it last night, finally. What do you think this episode? Well, I feel a little goaded. I feel like you told me that this franchise was not scary. And the opening scene is a woman getting like impaled in a grave and like a scary mask guy. And well, you and I just have different ideas of what scary is. So I think it's more of a you know, gory psychological thriller.

I would not call it scared. I would I will say, you know, a a warning to the stoner's out there. This is a braided narrative. Okay, so braided narratives are extremely difficult to follow and comprehend when you're stoned. And this is like a basically two timelines alongside each other, one in the future, one in the past of a kind of dystopian Lord of the Flies esque survival story. Yeah. Someone, um, someone I follow on Twitter. His name's Nolan. He's so funny.

He put it really perfectly yesterday he said, um, yellow Jackets is lost for swift ease and could not be more true, and that that is truly all you need to know and the best recommendation I can give anyone. Obviously, we can't get get really two into it because fran I don't want to spoil it for you. I don't care about spoiling our listeners, but you I want you to able to experience it. But you know, the girls are girling. Everyone is so good. Juliette Lewis, Oh my god,

Tawny Cypress is like a revelation to me. I think she's so amazing. Christina Ricci, oh my god. And Melanie Lynskey say her name. I have been standing her since ever after in Coyote Ugly and I'm happy to see her like getting these roles that give her a little bit more of what she's do And there's a moment coming you'll see in a few episodes in where Christina Ricci does something too a song from Fandom of the Opera, and it's just like the best thing I've seen on

TV and forever. Of course it has to do with fanom of the Opera in some way. Of course, of course, you know, I'm sorry to bring it up, but I haven't seen you in a while. And the last episode of End just like that was worth a brief discussion. Um started with shady As saying, yes, Queen, Oh my god, electric chair what Although I do have to say I really liked this episode. I think the episodes are getting better and better. I mean, like they still contain these

really cringing moments and awful writing. But I think the scene with Miranda, despite the cringing nous of Jadaz like, was really good and I really loved the confrontation that it led to between Carrie and Miranda. It felt like that thing that Sex in the City did so well, which was taking heightened comedy, heightened sexuality, and heightened interpersonal drama and blending them all together in a really perfect way.

And then also what I loved in this most recent episode was when Carrie texted Samantha about talking about her on the podcast, and like the score came in and it sound own did like the Sex and the City theme music. It was like it was like a really subtle,

lovely little touch. Also, like you and I talked about this kind of like I do think that the storyline with Charlotte, which like is kind of separate from the main drama about her child coming out as transfer, non binary or whatever, like changing their name, Like, I think it's kind of good. Like I think a lot of this stuff that they're getting wrong with Jay, they're kind of getting right in a way with Charlotte. Like on its face, someone would look at that and be like, oh,

they're dead naming their child, blah blah blah. But I think that's actually a very realistic representation of what it must be like to be a parent and to have your child came out as trans. And I say this as someone who came out as trans to their parents, you know, with the increased cringe genus of Miranda and Carrie, Charlotte is currently my favorite of the three and it's because you're Charlotte. I am not Charlotte. How dare you? That is slander? I will I will literally sue, call

my attorney, Call my attorney. Random that was so irresponsible, because you might be a little busy right now. Obviously we are, I maybe taking out an extremely egregious error of the episode where in Charlotte was trying to collect black friends, which I'm really interested in whiteness, investigating whiteness

and white whiteness, critiquing whiteness. And I thought that there was a lot of good stuff like that in that episode, however, not to the point of Charlotte needing to diversify her friend groups so bad that she almost kidnaps her neighbor, Like it was hard to watch. Yeah, but I think like that is kind of an honest depiction of people who are trying to I don't know, like decolonize there.

They're like social lives and like the way they interact with the world, like making like dumb mistakes like that.

I think that we as a group consueing this show need to like see these characters as flawed, like it's it's it's necessary to enjoy them and I think a lot of people aren't catching onto that there needed to be a brief moment of contention or explanation as to why what Charlotte did was wrong, because I at the end of the episode, you know, lt W was kind of just like, oh yeah, don't worry about it, and I was just like, uh, well, I mean that it is.

It's trusting. It's trusting the viewer to be a little smarter they're not. Also another thing, I saw this thing on TikTok that was talking about how with Betty White's passing, someone was talking about how all of the women on Sex in the City are the same age as all the women were when Golden Girls started. Oh yes, mid fifties. Oh my god, and that the only difference, like the main difference of why they look younger is their hair, because the gold Golden Girls they all had you know,

like grandma hair. My my brains started to wind together a joke about Betty White being Carrie Bradshaw's last har crux, but I didn't quite didn't quite tie it together. So I'll just say what our Carrie Bradshaws hardcrocks is. Okay.

So the Manola blonics that got stolen yes um, which she now has back, the Carrey necklace, the Carrie necklace, her top evidently the heart of the ocean, as the dol Chay co that she walked down the runway and then it fell and then used as a blanket when she had her first night back in her old apartment. Did you notice that moment? I didn't that it was such a good fan service moment she wore the dol chay coat that she fell in as a blanket. I didn't notice that Stanford is one of her hor crux?

Is that's he's in Japan? Okay, the same way that Neguini was one of Baltimore's hor CrOx? Is that a note, bitch, I'm sorry I could have it could have been better written? And then that posted that post. It is the last of Carrie's horcros. Is that in case you hadn't picked it up through context clues. Our guest today is social strategist, Instagram diva, Twilight historian and all of our story her historian and all around monster little monster. Okay, well let's

not do that. Peyton Dicks is here in the studio today. That was the most chaotic intro. I think I've ever heard my life, but that only makes sense for this scenario pretty so much for being here. I truly believe that if we had a podcast, which we do, and we were doing an episode of Twilight, which we are, but we had a guest who wasn't you, which we would never do, I think like within six hours of being released, a drone would strike me, because I do

think you have access to that kind of power. I do. There are people I know or you would send the vaultry after right, where the hell have you been? Oh my god? The first one of the yeah, yeah, more to come. Don't think it ends there please. Some important context I think to all of this is that Rose and I have attempted to watch the first Twilight movie several times. Okay, let's not okay, let's let's clear that up. Because you have attempted to watch it, I have watched it.

What has happened is I have told friend many times I love Twilight, let's watch it. And specifically, we were on a vacation in Big Bear last November, and you know, it was beautiful, it was snowing, and I said, bitch, we're watching Twilight. It is time. And we put the first Twilight movie on and in five minutes, this girl was dead to the world, asleep, stone and asleep. And you know what I did, watched Twilight and the next night Frand said, oh, let's watch the next one, so

we put on New Moon and my my favorite as well. Um, five minutes in she was asleep. I was watching New Moon asleep. Next night, A clips this actually feels like like targeted terrorism. Let's watch it. Just kidding. And then when we left the vacation and went home, I watched Breaking Dawn parts one and two because I was like, I already watched the first three movies. I have to have the whole experience. You gotta finish. Peyton, I want

you to tell us what your experience with Twilight. What tell me about the like did you read the books first? Did you watch the movies first? Like tell me how you fell in love? I read the books, but I actually only read them after I saw the movie because I was just like, so that made me horny? What else? And like waiting between movies for them to come out? I was like, Okay, I need to get my fix in between, and like I also the thing about me

is when you're a twyhard. You're naturally a yeah twyard, let's just sit with that's what our community is called. You think the barbs are strong though, why hearts are stronger? The overlap, Remember there's also a lot of overlap. You're naturally a Crispian, which obviously, as we all know, is a christ and Suward stand and I think I also just awakened my at the same time, I think I

knew that I was just really gay. Um, and I was like, oh my god, I was imagining three songs with Robert and Chris to and I was like, oh my god, here it's happening. I'm a bisexual. And then I was like, it's actually looking like Christian. It's actually Christian is winning in this in this course, um, like as she does. Anyway, I think like my love for Twilight started with them and then moved to the books

and then back into the series in general. But I think, like, I know, we'll get into this more later, but I'm so interested in its renaissance now because it was something that was like, of course, a huge I feel like could following such the wrong word because it was huge. It was a blockbuster movement, It was a phenomenon. It was a saga. It was a saga literally shaped culture. It like changed the water did. Literally. It was when we talk about cultural phenomenons and like the like, especially

young adult culture, It's like Twilight. It was Harry Potter to Twilight to Hunger Games. I don't know what the Twilight to fifty Shades of grat pipeline. We all fall the true pipe. Um. But yeah, I think like for me, I've been asked this question before and I literally don't know if I have like the thing that sparked it. It It just was like this makes sense, and I don't even know if that's like I watched like Vampire Diaries, but it's not that I'm like deep, okay, hot that's

getting becomes a vampire. It falls off right. It's like I've actually had enough of this and it's just a bad joke. I mean, I like shitty things. That's my taste. Levels that I have terrible types. Absolutely absolutely. We talked about this a little bit last night and Rose was very defensive about like me being like, yeah, I feel like there's this kind of like ironic, like so bad it's good kind of element to Twilight. Um, but also you know, I feel like this is like watching it.

There's I think that's part of what that when you were saying the renaissance that it's in now, like so much of it is like our love to like watch things that are like kind of bad, along with like you know, lesbian subtext and like camp and Okay, but we were arguing about this, which is that I think when Twilight came out, it maybe people I think people were earnestly enjoying it, and I think now I don't

think that people are liking it. Ironically, you know, the reaction to Twilight when it came out, and I think the critique of it was very this is something that teenage girls love, so it's dumb. And also then maybe there was some discourse about it, like glorifying toxic relationships

because which is, um, yeah, Edward was a monster. But now that it's come back, I think it's more about people just kind of earnestly liking it, and the discourse is more about the things that maybe we actually should be having discourse about, which is you know, like it's depiction of like indigenous people and codependent relationships and yeah, so we are in a twice Dad's a cab, including Charlie, because I see some people saying a cab except Charlie.

No, no no, no, it still includes him. We're rounding up. But like he did carry that film on his back though too. He was the hottest person in the first I'm a great actor in that movie, but not a good dad and threatening gun violence on a vampire first of all, losing battle okay, But like, I don't know, I think, um, what's funny with this reinvigoration of like what we see on like TikTok and everything. I do think it's farnest. I do think people generally are like

this is. And you brought up the example of like even Fran wanting to watch like the next one. I recently came home um to l A and I just watched it for myself to take the edge off. And my mom was like doing laundry next to me, like not paying attention, but got tired and was about to go to bed, and they like kept peeking her head back in and be like, wait, so is she gonna she gonna break up with him? Or what can happen?

Like literally the ground one being like, but I do need to know what happens with this it is enthralling. So actually, on that note, Fran, what did you think of it? So last night Frand and I watched Twilight. I finally forced him. I kept hitting him and pinching him so he would stay like, what did you think of Twilight? Well, I have to also say that that that was now my fourth attempt to watch Twilight. I've also tried to watch it twice before with an X

and I fell asleep both times. So on fourth watch, when I finally got all the way through it, I mean I was definitely um over stimulated something. As someone who had not a ton of context into the films, I think what was just immediately shocking is like the horrid Instagram filter they have over like the entire film. Don't talk about the blue field? Okay, why does Edward look blue? I think that's like something that was really baffling to me on like a cold watch. Was that

like the in you know, my cultural memory. It's like these two were like the hottest romantic leads in ever existence of like any romantic movie. And when I watched this movie last I was like, both of them look straight up bad like corpses. I need you to ride for we can't let do this to her. Okay, I'm sorry, Edward, Edward Cullen looks sick. It was. It was just very disoriented, like why didn't they color break this film? Well, let's be let's be clear, in five movies Roberts foundation never

matched his neck, no, not on. It was actually an act of resistance that they do and exacerbated by his wig and the breaking. We have to take a moment to talk about the wigs. Okay, so I just let's start with the worst one, which is obviously Bella's wig in a clip, thank thank you, well please speak speak to it? Well? I like, what was Taylor Lawner's wig? Like better than Oh? It was so good that last night Rose googled if his real hair? Are you? I

was like that, I cannot know. It definitely still is a wig. I we weren't hopefully doubting that. But like out of all the wigs on the the in the movie, which there are plenty to pick from, undress like, you're not going to do this to your lead because you

know you have budget. You have budget to lay that fucking wig, and you just you left her out there to dry like she was doing Runaway, So I think so she had cut her hair and looked great, but like seeing what the girls on TikTok are doing with with their hair, like and they did our girl like that. I mean I was reading that like Kristin Stewart wanted to like cut her hair throughout the entire franchise because

you know she's lesbian. I've heard that too, right, but like, but they kept bribing her and offering her financial compensation to not cut her hair until she finally did for the Runaways and ethics that obvious. Okay, so you felt like one blue foot. Okay, they were in they were in Washington. They're trying to paint a picture. And also the context is that the first Twilight movie was a

pretty small kind of India. And also, as I told Fran last night, it's the only Twilight movie directed by a woman, Catherine Hardwick Hardwick lifting her up in prayer and that baseball scene gave birth to me. Okay, one She was apparently the highest grossing female director for like any release at the time, which is crazy. But also, um, I the first time we tried watching Twilight, I fell asleep and then woke up during the baseball scene, and

I was like, what the fuck is going on? Why is there a plot culminating at the point of a baseball game? And what does this have to do with vampires versus werewolf? Well, the thing is that nothing happens in Twilight. No, nothing, I kept asking. It was like I think, okay, when they're it's like, we're fifty minutes into the movie. They're fully in love, like the steaks are like life and death, but they have barely had a single conversation, like have not made out or kissed yet,

And I'm like where, Like how did this happen into that? Yeah, that's right, very like we don't even need to talk. Do you think it's a horny movie? Despite them being very chased? Well, yeah, I feel like the whole entire series is just edging until they finally in that aisle as May and and you know, their sex scenes like they're supposed to be, you know, like the hottest thing ever, the best, Like there's that line, but what Bella doesn't bring Dawn part two? Like how we ever going to

do anything else? And like their sex looked horrible. They just don't cut to the bed being broken. They didn't show the back to it was like one crunch under Edward's hand. And I will say that unfortunately that was working for me. It's like I can't even imagine. I think what they were may be trying to do is like leaving it up to the imagination. But that's not It's never been great writing. Don't get it twisted. These

books were not well written. No, that was another thing I was explaining to France Um that the movies are significantly cooler than the books. Like I was talking about the khaki skirt. So, for anyone who's not familiar in the in Twilight the novel, when Bella goes to meet Um Edwards family, the infamous is she of an Italian scene. Um in the books she has described as wearing her sexiest outfit which makes Edward go crazy, and it is

a floor length khaki skirt. So if you didn't know this book was written by a Mormon woman, that the jig is up. Well, I mean, at least you know the movie stuck to you know the literary principles, and that Kristin Stewart was dressed terrible. The entire like everything

she wore was like coals? Do you have that? Did you see the TikTok of like, um, what is this like Bella Swan sale going on at Arica half but like my girl loved Headley double like double layer, double layer, low rise jeans, horrible card against Oh my god, the card again that she wears to the dress at the end. This is so humiliating. Why did she do that though? I mean, well because because Bella is the not like other girls girl, Yeah she is, that's her. That's her

whole thing. Well, her her only character trait is that she's awkward, right, and that's it okay, And they're like obsessed. I love that, love love love it. And I was just like I think at that time they're like not to take this somewhere else, but like Christmas, who I do think is like my wife obviously obviously that's you know she's listening, hey girl. Um, but I feel like it was always tough to be like this skinny, tiny, little ciss white girl is like the epitome of like

everyone wants. So we're talking Jacob, we're talking Edward, like even that little freaky vampire the want to kill her like and then I'm sitting here like huh her, well, like Kristen Stewart. Yes, different Bella huh okay um, she's nice hair. In the first movie, like there was not much there to work with and that felt offensive to witnessed. To be witnessed too. Yeah, the movie, the movies really and the books kind of tell and don't show why Bella is interesting, why her and Edward are in love.

It's just that like they are, so that's it. They are in love. They have the greatest love that has ever existed, and that's just it. And Liken Hendrick had points in that movie she she was. Last night, Fran asked, does Anna Kendrick become a vampire? Can you imagine she should have happened, because she would like check all of these period she would have been, she would have been, she would have killed Victoria, and she would have killed

all the colors. I mean when we were that was another question that I had when we were watching is this we were like looking through I was like asking about like when people were watching this from the start, did it immediately have like a like a kind of like lesbian subtext to it, Like was like the awkwardness of like Kristen Stewart like kind of a part of that, Like I don't know what a lot of people fell

in love with when they first watched it. I mean when I first watched it, I don't know if I I think I was adding in any subtext because I just was like a baby gay And then like later though, I remember, like one, I always hated Alice. I never understood like the Alice Bella shipping like that. I guess, Dean Rosalie, thank you, That's what I'm like, Um, bully me. Actually this is what and we can unpack that later. But like I was just like Alice and her. I

didn't understand Rosalie and her I was shipping that. And I feel like Edward is also by proxy a lesbian as well, obviously sure, yeah, yeah, he dresses like he does he does and just like is a little controlling. And it's also and he drives like you know, a Volvo be sponsored by Volvo, like the ugliest cars, the ugliest cars, Like well, it's like it's like k it was like that was the one thing. She's like he has to drive, Okay, listen, he contract die on this hill.

The thing about like the Volvos and the khaki skirts and like the intensity of like their immediate connection all that stuff. Like when I was watching again, like with no context, it's just like immediately vibes like an as in like an allegory for like the prison of heterosexuality, you know what I mean. Well, yeah, because eventually they get married. As soon as she graduates from high school, she immediately gets pregnant and dies and then and then

they are together forever. Yeah, exactly. And also there's like I mean there's watching it like retrospectively, we now know that like both of those actors like kind of hate the film now, like don't have like a I guess, I mean, Robert Pattinson says he regrets it, right question marks.

I think he's come around to it more recently. I think so too, And I think like what's probably tough about that is not just like the obviously the cringe e elements of it, of course, but I think it's also the relationship was so tied to that relation to that movie, and I feel like what they went through in there, and I don't know them just for the record of personally, but I could understand how like being in such a young intense relationship in a very very

visible movie and like at that time was probably the most stressful, terrible experience, like you can't do anything at

all together. And then like, I don't know, I think that when I think about the movies, I always think about the relationship to like it's almost impossible for me to not think about like the you know, would never mention his name here, but like think about who tweeted about the cheating scandals when for about well, Twilight Mania, you know, like the the whole celebrity gossip culture of because you know, this was still the late odds, early

you know, celebrity gossip culture. They were on every magazine when she cheated on him. That was the biggest story in the world. Um, so yeah, there must be there must have been so much pressure on them about those movies, and especially thinking like an audience of primarily young women, Um, it just must have been a lot. Yeah. I just felt like that must that that stress must be tied

both of those things. Of like that movie that doesn't feel like a full representation because I think people watch that movie and they're like, oh, christ and Sets a terrible actress, And I'm like, if you don't fucking go watch Personal Shopper and shut then up. A personal shopper

Stand podcast. Good to know I'm in good company. Um, but you know what I mean, like that like summation of both of them actually, but like brab Pttson was an amazing actor and so was Kristen, But um, I feel like they're just like we have to move so so deeply far away from that so that we can maybe now like settle in that fact. But also when you're a celebrity, you're just kind of immediately treated as an adult. But like Kristen sir was so wasn't she seventeen?

She was cast? Oh my god, that's great. And Robert Pattinson was like twenty one or something. They were, even though he the makeup and everything makes him look like he's like thirty four, I don't think he looks. But yeah, we need to talk somewhere about some of the other stylistic choices, because the thing is everyone's hair and looks changed from movie to movie. There is no consistency whatsoever. Rosalie is kind of like done the dirtiest um Jasper. Also,

his hair in the in Twilight is rough. Yeah, he goes through it. He also was a confederate sold to those um Carlyle is I don't know. There are sometimes

where I think he's kind of hot, there's others. Fran was commenting that the scene the flashback of Carlyle turning Edward into a vampire very home that they definitely, you know, Edward tells Bella that he's a virgin but with girls, and we talk about like the construct of virginity in this franchise because they're both virgins, right, there's this kind of like attention toward like purity culture and like the perfect like I've never been in love before, I've never

had sex before, but like he was like a hundred and eight and like you're a virgin, like loser like. But the thing is, the whole, the whole, main plot of all of Twilight is Bella trying to get that dick. Yes, she's just trying to funk and that's what she's going through. Hell yeah, and eventually it kills her. I get that among us has not. She is so horny and he's like, nope, we have to wait until we get married. And then they get married and have sex and she dies. She's

like worth it. And that is that supposed to be like an allegory for Mormonism or whatever like that kind of like part of this Stephanie Stephanie Meyer, who wrote Twilight is a Mormon, and wait, still a practicing Mormon. What I thought at least she would have given it up as she entered society or something. She hasn't entered society.

She doesn't tweet. She stays quiet. YEA, that's actually a really wise choice so we can still enjoy Twilight because because I think if she was tweeting, it would be a different story. Absolutely, Oh my god, there are all these little things when I think about Twilight at these moments that like, it's been really reassuring to see on TikTok or someone noticing because I felt like at the time,

like this is such a small example. But I remember thinking and like losing my mind over when she was shaking the catchup in the first movie and nothing comes out and then she puts it back down, and I remember were being like, what the fuck? And I think it was like the most annoying thing. Why does she hold the catch up like that? Her grip is so loose.

Girl is a microcosm for this film. It is it is a woman who has truly virtually no free will and tell like a man tells her what her desires love so she can barely squeeze a catch up Like that makes complete sense to me. I think I understood it immediately. I do want to talk a little about Twilight and like vampire Cannon, because these vampires are not vampiric um. You know, I love vampire media. I grew

up on Buffy Um interview with a vampire. And you know, I think a lot of the things that people a lot of the criticism about Twilight when it first came out was like, these vampires are dumb, they sparkle, they don't have thangs. Um, what are you into? You know, we touched on the vampire your Diaries, but are you into other vampires stuff? And how do you think Twilight compares? What was that HBO show Blood? Yeah? I was knee deeper. I want to do bad the best opening credits? Yeah

so good. Also like cast um, it's really good. I thank you. I've been practicing. Um. Yeah, I think like I've seen an interview with the vampire. I didn't really like compare them because it doesn't feel it feels like two different worlds for me. And maybe that answers your question. Well, that's kind of what's missing from Twilight's Vampires is an

element of camp. And I think maybe that's kind of what we're exploring through the Twilight extended universe now, Like on TikTok and meme, culture is making this thing camp be rather than ironic. Um, you know, like the bella, where have you been? Loca of it all? Like in The Ringer, that's low key the sleeper for me. And I do think I set you a voice aboutn't almost sending time of voice because just like, uh, you should have seen me while we're watching the movie last night

when that came out. I was like, brand this is the best song. This is the banger, And I was like yeah, and I did say I think. I think like the soundtrack is like of why I love Twilight such. I mean, I feel like, do you have a favorite song out of any movies? I do. I think the one that starts at all that when a than Bush that is one of the best. I also really love Satellite Heart. New Moon was I mean, that was my favorite movie and my favorite soundtrack. Honestly, Okay, why is

New Moon and your favorite movie? Because it's also mine? You know what? I actually think about that. I was thinking about that on the way here, and I was like, why is it? I think maybe because because I'm not team Jacob, never happen, never will be UM, and so I don't know why. And obviously most of the MOVI we spent with their relationship UM, but I feel like I understand deeply yearning UM and being sad for so I think, like for me, Um, it's so bad when

you think about it now. But like even just the editing of that one shot where just she's sitting in her tailing out the window looking so dead in the eyes, which is like I did like a dance to that song, like a modern dance to you. Yes tell us, Mark tell us? I mean, well I didn't. I did literally didn't. Like it wasn't like me in my bedroom like I did. I had a dance background, so it like kind of makes sense in context. But like, is there a video?

I hope not, maybe like my mom might have like a DVD from I'm Gonna, I'm gonna after we record, like I heard you're also a twyart and you also have footage, but yeah, we should needs to be a guest. Yeah. Anyway, so we did a dance to possibility in my like in front of like an audience, in front of like living people. Yeah. Wow, and they must have went wild. Yeah they were. Like was the second movie the one where Robert Pattinson's abs are spray painted on? Yes? Wow,

that was also jarring. I was apparently he just didn't like working out or something. He could barely live. Christen Stewart, whose mind you like ninety pounds just to drop her. I do think that Twilight is the best movie because it's like the purest crystallization of what Twilight is. But New Moon's my favorite because of the yearning, because of you know, I do love like an angst plot line where someone gets left and then they get back together

at the end. And but I also think she lets him off the hook too easily and should make him work for it a little bit more. Absolutely does he work for it? Forgives him immediately. Yeah. It also doesn't make any sense to me, like his logic of oh, first of all, let's go back to like that he left her in a forest alone. She could have died. She could have died, and then God Jacob was there to pick her up exactly. Sam, I was like one of the Wolves, like hate for what he did to

Leah Clearwater? Who is he absolutely lesbian icon? Yes? Yes, where y'all when he first started consuming the franchise, Where y'all team Edward the whole time? Or did you ever waiver or like, because I know they were like teams. That was like a big part of what I don't think I really cared that much. Who was Yeah, it was just I was there for the I was there for the vibe. Yeah, what about you firmly team Team Edward? Wow?

I did not. I was just like this is this seems like child's play, and like they I can hang with them, like I can hang with the group. But like Jacob also was like a small infant baby to me, even when they were like he's grown up, and I was like, but he's yeah, but he's like sixteen in New Moon and you know, you hear about what they made Taylor lawtn er due to like bulk up for New Moon and it's actually don't know they do because

he you know he in Twilight, he's very young. Um and New Moon they told him he had to put on all this muscle or else they were going to recast him and he's like he was like sixteen or

seventeen years old. I will say, had I consumed this like at the time it came out, I'm sure I would have been Team Jacob because I think a lot of what Edward was giving is like that kind of like petulant child energy constantly like having to like take care of him or whatever, like similar to like that you know, game, not Game of Thrones, hunger games, um, and like I probably would have been, you know, team Gail, not team Peter. You know what your team Peter. All

he can do is throw sacks of flower. What is that though? And he he loves her so much, Yeah, but he's like, how is he going to defend her from? Well, he did it famously. I have to also say while we were watching this last night, I turned to Rose and I was like, I was like, you know, complaining about like the lack of like you know, people of

color in this movie. And I was like, like, I was like, well, what kind of like you know, Spicy is like Taylor Lawtner And Rose was like, I think he's Latin X And I was like, oh maybe, And I was like, could be Filipino. And we googled he's fully white, a Wrench German and Dutch like or whatever. Like it was like I was like, oh, that's it's and then like there was something that was like some very like one sixteen like of this Native American or whatever,

like you're applying to college, Like shut up? Um do you follow? Do you like follow? Or see the videos of Twilight talks on TikTok. She's the woman who she has like a Twilight aesthetic background behind her and she does these like deep dives into Twilight and they're really interesting. Yeah,

she's fascinating. If you are interested in Twilight, go follow her because her whole thing is like she says she loves Twilight and she hates it so like she talks about her obsession for it, but it is also super critical of it. And one of the things she was saying is um about how resistant Stephanie Meyer was to

casting people of color and Twilight. That surprised me, and that she Stephanie Meyer has made it cannon through some like extended universe book that when people become vampires that leeches the melanin from their skin, so that no, not

that that is wine one one. Yeah, Well she apparently didn't want it, like she wouldn't like cast a black character into the first movie, Like Stephanie Meyer was like resistant to and then she was like, oh no, we could do this if it's the bad one, if it's the villain, and that's how they cast Laurent or whatever. And I think Katherine Hardwick wanted Alice to be Asian and Stephanie Meyer was just like, no, this is my vision.

They're like, you'll get that one like woman that works in the cafe, and she's like, and I've done my due diligence, like okay, she's a legend. Though she is, she is okay. Catherine Hardwick reportedly reportedly said that they could make an argument for casting Laurent because in the book he was described as having olive skin. What was in the book? It was like the darkest person described the book. Oh my god, that's horrible. It's giving very

like her money could have been black. Like, O, friend, you have you said you seen Breaking Down Part one, which I do think is amazing. It's kind of like a horror movie. It was did you wait? This is important? How did you feel when you saw Breaking Down Part two? Because I have a visceral memory of Yeah, I remember watching the fight scene and so for our listeners, if you don't know, Breaking Dawn part to the movie takes

some artistic liberties. Um, and there is a vision of the Volturi and the Collins clashing and tons of people die and then it turns out it's all just a vision that Alice has I was shook, I was down bad I but I kind of loved it because I thought, Okay, maybe they're really going there and we're getting this crazy like battle of Hogwarts Harry Potter and the definitely hollows part to like climax and Stephanie Meyers like whatever funk it? I don't care. YEA, literally that needs to be a

TikTok is. Can you put that out of your TikTok a state for a breaking down barth day, Wendy Williams. Um. But I loved it, and I do wish that was the end of Breaking Dawn Part two too. I wish it actually happened, because it also just took someone. Do I remember we being I was in college when I came out, and I took my friends to go see

it in theaters. Obviously I had to do a lot of bullying to get that to happen, and I was just like in shambles, crying, like so confused, but also like I guess this is happening, and I'm like having this big emotional outpour and like, you know, for these characters. And then I was a little pissed when it was just a vision. It's so annoying. I also do kind of think that Twilight should have ended with Eclipse, like a clip should be the last one. Bella should just

become a vampire at the end. Um, have you ever fucked with Midnight Sun? Absolutely? Which book is? So? Midnight Sun is a is Twilight from Edward's perspective and released it. I can't think of anything I would want less. Finally, time for a man's pod And we hadn't been getting that the whole book, even though it's told through her, like it really just feels like he controls everything. I've never read it, So what did you glean from it? Well?

So I never I didn't read. You know, she just released it maybe like a year or so ago, but I didn't read that. What I read was when it got leaked the PDF, I like downloaded it and read like the um it was like the first maybe like few chapters. I think I was just a one too.

She was real pist about that. She wrote this letter on her website, being like, you've just like fucked with the integrity of this book, and like you you were my fans like down now, I'm never going to release the rest, and everyone's like, shut up, we got what we needed. But yeah, really, And so I was like I was only reading it because I just wanted more, you know what I mean, in the same way like I had watched movies and was like, Okay, I want more,

So I'll start to read the books. You should fan fiction. Yeah, that's a good point. Maybe I'll do that now. Have you read Life and Death? So Life and Death is because you know, there was so much criticism about the sort of like gender stereotyping and how like so much of the criticism about Twilight is how Bella has no agency and she's just kind of like a damsel in distress.

So Stephanie Meyer was like, well, and she wrote a version of Twilight where the gender roles are swapped and it's Edith Cullen and bow no no no. The bar is in the Earth's crust, And what I believe is that the book ends with the with the bell the male Bella character Bow just becoming a vampire, and Stephanie basically disproves her entire point that the move that the book would the story would be exactly the same if the gender was swapped, because it's fully not and you know,

it's just like she is. We can never trust these women behind me? Do we think that that she who must not be named and Stephanie Meyer have ever interacted without a doubt? I mean they text. I mean they both definitely hate women. I think that is like clear I feel, but I feel like when I was like like, I don't know, there's something about I mean, I was the Diatlentina has this really amazing essay that um has this like treout of like Bella Catanius and who's in

Fifty Shades of Anastasia Steel. But the thing is Steal is Bella sUAS. So how can you talk about them as if they're different people? Because because the Fifty Shades of Gray is literally a Twilight fan fiction, so Anastasia is just a Bella. But Anastasia I think that the yeah, exactly the vivity Shades of I mean we would have watched it, but like basically that there's this kind of like men like kind of you know, it's they're reaching

beyond their circumstances. It's so hard to be a man, and like everything is agony, and like women just have to kind of like shape their desires and like are defined by like whatever they want. But I think like Anastasia was kind of like the adultification of what was supposed to happen in Twilight. You know, like they actually have sex, which like doesn't happen for like a lot of Well that's just that's because it's a in fiction, and that's what happens in fan fiction is people fuck.

You're like, let's just skip a couple of steps and get straighty sometimes very um kinkly. They fuck. I forgot her name was Anastasia Steele. Anastasia Steel, terrible. Do you funk with fifty Shades of Grey? Um? I saw it, So that's my answer. I love fifty Shades of Gray. I love Twilight. We will be having another episode, Yeah, we will be doing it. I've seen them. I want there to me. They are Valentine's Day movies and so I watched them every Valentine also great soundtracks. Oh my god,

Okay Beyonce, Okay, Gaslight, Gate keep girl Boss. Twilight characters, Um Edward is Gaslight. I just want to I just want to all the women, And that's what I did. Maybe I was just thinking immediately between, like girl Boss to me is actually Rosalie, and that's maybe just because I love her. Um Gaslight. Alice interesting, who's gay ky, but that just really makes sense for Jane is there Like Jane, She's the one I was telling played by legend Icon star Dakoda Fanning, who can make people be

in pain with her mind. Oh my god, in a way that's lesbian too. Who are the most felt it? Who are the most lesbian Twilight characters? Now, let's talk about it. Bella obviously, I mean, but only because she's in the gayest relationship I've ever seen in my life. I feel like, I don't know why, but Alice is one of those people that's like just because she was a pixie cud, people think it's like queer, and I'm like, no,

you don't get to be gay here. Maybe like she can like round up and say queer at some point, but she's mostly and had her relationships. I see that for her, and then I think, like for me, and like, I don't know why I want to die on this hill, But I really do think that Rosalie has and not like from any kind of trauma, because I don't think her and Emmet or fucking I think they're homies. I think they're really good homies who like to like six together, you know. But at the end of the day, and

it's the girls. Um, but I feel like at the end of the day, like maybe all of her like hating of Bella and jealousy and all that was because she wanted to fuck her absolutely one hundred percent. Also like, oh and the one with the glasses, the friend, the normal friend with the glass oh Angela. Yeah yeah, just by appearance alone, yeah she Um, Rosalie is like one of the best Twilight actors. I think you could do a whole Rosalie origin story, because fran you don't know that,

so don't. Rosalie's origin is that she was um raped by her fiance and a bunch of his friends. I love to die Carl Royle turned her into a vampire, and then she goes when she's a new vampire and kills them all. But she like haunts them. First she does like she does a whole show. She like wears her wedding dress and like stalks them and then shows up like an avenging ghost like them. Yeah, I need an HBO limited series about Rosalie's life. I would fucking

watch the ship out of that absolutely. Okay, but you're saying, Okay, you were saying Rosalie is maybe one of them more lesbionic. Can we talk about more about like what about like the relationship you said it was the gayest relationship I've

ever seen? What about it was very gay to well between Just for specifying between Edward and Bella specifically, I think like or the immediacy and I'm like wondering where and I'm packing this now of like my attracted to both of them and then to that relationship specifically culture. It was like I was speaking a lot out in

that time. Um, but I feel like with them, it's just like all of it have that like magnetic thing that you can always kind of use as like a I don't know what's the word, Like when you first start like dating or seeing someone, you're like it's just like I can't even explain. It's an allegory of clearing and you don't understand your own desis. It's like the unspoken is already there. It's all in the subjects, even

though it absolutely wasn't. I was writing the subject in my head, unclear any motives of any character at any time. God so good and the Bonnie Bear on that track, Okay, you notice that. Um yeah, I just think there was so much like yearning there. There was so much like in Oh God, I was like in the quiet of their relationship, and that was like way too much to give to them. That was generous of me to say to them. But like, and I also think the way they just like the way they move so fast away,

the stakes always felt so high even when they weren't. Um, I felt, we're just like inherently queer and like sapphic. So it's just like, I know I need to be a part of that. I need to tap myself into that relationship. Does does Stephanie Meyer, like, does she love her gay fans or whatever? Does she not think? She has comment very specific reason, And I'm just saying, just just enjoy, like you know, count your money. Let me know if a theme park opens one day, but other

than that, I don't need to hear from you. What would a Twilight theme park even be. You go to Italy, there would be an Italian restaurant and when it would be called Italian? Wait, this is so random, but do you remember that like one waitress that was trying to it was like her last night with the Bangs, the like rockabilly girl, and she's so rude to Bella and she's like, hey, Edward, I'll go suck your dick in the bathroom even though you're here with this other girl.

And she just ordered mushroom ravioli. Right. Oh, this is something stick and twisted, and I've I've gone on record about this before, but Bella like loves mushrooms, and I and christ and Stewart actually was saying randomly, the sore random that she like mushrooms. I hated mushrooms at the time, and I convinced myself to like mushrooms because of Bella. Yes, well, at least she has a third at least she has

a third character trait tale and she likes mushrooms. Oh, you also can read, and like she she she likes to read, but in a very unspecific way. She's like, I love books. Don't ever ask me about them, and like, what the what's what are they listening to when she turns on the music, And he was like, Oh, it's just she's like I love Also, I was watching Twilight talks that TikTok this morning and in Midnight sun apparently Edwards like Edward asked, mellow, what's in your CD player

right now? And she says lake in Dark? No? No? Shoot. Um, you know what a lot of people talk about with Twilight is that Twilight is the ultimate Mary Sue story. And what is Mary? So? Mary Sue is a trope in fan fiction and literature which is basically a self insertion character of the author who is like perfect and the story centers around and like she never does anything wrong and she's super special for no reason. And Bella

is the Mary Sue of Mary sus um quintessential. And I thought it would be fun to today make you the Mary Sue and we're going to build a Twilight fan fiction around you. Um, so you're in a Twilight fan fiction. You're the self insertion character, my own fellow right off the bat, who's your love interest in this fan fiction? Okay? Well I have to ask you a question that this is like people, this is we're still in the Twilight We're in the Twilight world. Okay, Rosalie

obviously obviously, how do you mean? Um? Why am I going with the small Well? That kind of goes with my next question is what kind of universe is it? Because you know in fan fiction they like to take the story and set it in different universes. Is this like, are we in a Hunger game this version of Twilight? Are we in a Harry Potter version of Twilight? Are we in a nice little coffee shop at or you go to the coffee shop and resilies the barista and

fall in. Yeah, okay, wait you're speaking to me there. We're in like a lesbian only in we're in bed stye. I'm just like making it like Laurel's gonna listen to this, to be like god fucking damn it. Let it rest. Um, Okay, No, I think we are. I kind of don't to just make it like present day almost like like right now, like I'm working on my laptop to you hear that? Yeah? Yeah, um, she's not the barista though she comes in. She asked

to borrow the chair next to me. This could go on for too long A pause me when you need and then I look up and then there's like this is the gay moment, right, It's just like you just look lock eyes and then I'm like, yeah, you can take it, go for it. Um. And so she was like, actually, instead, do you mind if I sit? And I'm like, yeah, sure, Okay, I don't know what's happening. Ironic moment. She's still a vampire in this universe. Yeah, but I don't know. Okay,

I don't know. Yeah, we're still we're still doing vampires. I want that. I want to have to be able to funk forever. Okay. So I love this. So you meet in a coffee shop, like you maybe start dating and maybe maybe follow us. Like some of the structure of Twilight, what's the what's the conflict, who's the villain, who's the enemy? Like what it what happens? You know, like almost at the end of the movie, when Stephanie

Meyer remembers like, oh, there should probably be a context. Um, it's her ex who's was like one, let's say okay all skin, let's give her all skin and someone has she has the type. Yeah, she broke her heart to pieces shambles comes comes back and it's like, I'm so sorry, I love you deeply. It's you. It's never been anyone else.

And then it's the X also a vampire, yes, and the vampire that she this is before she meets me, and then she meets me, and then she also maybe falls in love with me, and then all three of us are like in a conflict of like, well who do I pick? It's a love triangles the Teamward team Jacob situation, except its seam Rosalie team. Who's this other girl? Her name? Could? What could her name be? What? All of their names are? So absorry? I know I was

trying to think of something terrible? Christ Christian? Um? What is maybe? Can we throw in like another romantic trope? Like is there like an enemy's to love her situation? Is there a there was only one bed? Like you both you're on a trap hotel and there's only one bed? You practice this? Um um? Okay, yeah, we're on a group girls trip. Okay, we're why is we're rich? We're rich. We're rich. So there's things and there's money. Is a

dynamic out of the sun. Vampires they can't sparkle um so we're in Aspen with our girl gang kidding that was tough. Don't use that um. And then yeah, she's like, um, okay, so we have we have one room left and the three of us are there, and so do we just sucking it? I don't know, you all just there's only one bed in this room. It was a total mix up with the book. And she offers to be the Aspen. She offers to like call caught in And then we're sitting there and I guess we're like, it's I think

it's okay, Um, this is not conflict. This is just me being horny. Yes, that's fine. Do you have a special power? Okay. I don't like him as a character, but I do like that Jasper can control people's feelings and that's on manipulation. Jasper superpowers that he gaslights people

and was a Confederate soldiery to listen Apple Oranges. Think I want to bring up is we laughed so hard last night at the part where the apple falls and thinking of the c g I that had to exist to make that happen, and like the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars that were spent to make that dumb like three seconds scene, why it bounces off of his foot. Yeah, it's just it doesn't They're like

classic vampire things. They'll love it. But yeah, there's a lot of choices that are made, but I stand by all of them as the creator of the listeners. You can't see it right now, I'm holding an apple to paint in between my hands. That image also feels very saffiic to me. Of the apple. Well, I mean it's obviously you know, reference to Christian allegories Adam and Eve, forbidden fruit. I've heard of them. I've heard of them.

People talk forbidden fruit. Um, Hayton, thank you so much for being here with us today and talking about Twilight with us. Um, what is your before you go like just what's your favorite thing about Twilight? But like you're like favorite weird thing about Twilight that you want to leave people with. I think, like, if you haven't watched it, just think about the choices of who is cast in this movie. Just think about it. Just like, let Rommy just seep into your soul. Let Dakota like make your

way in. Let Anna Kendrick, you know, do what she needs to do. Yeah. God, and I'm still waiting for the sixth movie where Anna Kendrick becomes a vampire. You are also on the receiving end of a lot of Twilight content from strangers, And do you have a message for people in your d ms, you know, talking to you about Twilight, anything you you want to get off your chest. I will say I do get multiple d

ms every day. I'm not kidding everything every single day, and like of some kind of Twilight meme or TikTok or where Kristen stewarts geolocation is exact, and I'm like, that's okay, I'm not that scary. You can keep that information. Well, okay, sure that's not We don't want to know, but I will say I do appreciate it. It's nice to feel seeing. It's nice to have community and know that we are all on this chaotic evil ride of standing Twilight for the rest of your life. U. And with that, um,

let's We'll leave you with a song. I think you know the one that will you do with me? Harmony? That was okay, goodbye Vampires, Team Edward. Well, I hope all of you find sexy vamp hire who sparkles to have a um dermonic to be with Please please please use caution when entering the dangerous algorithm of Twilight. TI cok okay. Yes. Next week we'll be back with a discussion on Scream, the iconic horror thriller franchise Slasher Movies, just in time for Scream five. I actually haven't seen

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