The Final Doll

I want to be wearing the skimpiest outfit skims only. Okay, and you almost, you almost make it like you almost kill the killer, but then you get got, You get at God, you get God because this is like a virgin the show where we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose, damn you, and I'm friend Toronto. I'm so excited and we are literally screaming about scream literally literally. I have a new car. Oh my god, that's right,

grieving that gay people still can't drive. Yeah, exactly. I have done pretty much nothing with it other than listen to that new route Paul song Catwalk. Have you heard this? I did hear it? Wait, so have you been going anywhere where? Yeah? I you know, I it's it's it's an amazing concept. You know. I can drive to the grocery star, I can drive to work out, I can drive to the park. I'm a car girl. Now. I'm so happy for you. Finally, after almost two years of

driving you literally everywhere. When is our first road trip? It could be as soon as you wanted to be. However, your newly committed relationship, I think, is maybe going to decide when, Rose, do you want to tell the virgins? Oh? Oh yeah, I have a dog. I got a dog. I got a dog right between Christmas and New Year's She was my Christmas gift to myself. Or I guess maybe better put my apartment was my Christmas gift to her because it has now become her space entirely. Um,

the Mike probably isn't picking it up. But she is currently in her crate in my bedroom, winding up a storm because we are crate training, which is not going great. Well, Rose, she wants to be on the pod. Yeah, she has some hot takes on and just like that. Yeah, yeah, exactly. She actually really likes h d As. Actually, no, like when I'm watching TV. She's not interested in it. Wow, that's a bad dog. You should be TV training her.

She does like some music, though. Yesterday she was kind of bopping around to Muna Oh featuring Phoebe Bridgers featuring So my dog is a lesbian or she they buy Okay, wait, so you should play your dog the new Rue song obviously, um, I watched the drag Race premiere that the Rue Song debut on. I should also disclaim that I don't like any of Ruse music period, Like I haven't enjoyed a Rue song since Supermo. I can with Adrenaline. That's that's a banger. No no, no no no to the okay

that that song is fine? I can. I can maybe vouch for Sissy that walk, but outside of that, not a Roof fan. However, this album has a lot of um of the moment production value. I don't want to give it too much credit because it's still music era. She's She's in her Blue Blue bearra in that um. This song that I like sounds like Dua Lipa, and two other songs just sound like Sophie Rips. Actually, there's

like one song that someone's rest on power. I know, it's very really actually and fans and wants to work. Ru was like, who's this Sophie girl? What? What's what's her like? I think that's giving her Excuse me, I think that's giving him him, Paul a lot of credit in that. I don't actually believe he is involved in any way with the production of his music. Like when he performed that song on the Drag Race premiere. I believe that is the first time he'd ever heard the song,

and I thought it was so funny. How I saw a clip of the pit stop and they were talking about Rue doing Corio and It's like, what around? I mean, she's six, I mean he is sixty one. If I'm sixty one and I can still do you know, a little flick of the wrists, a little hip switch in some heels. I think she sells it in the face. I mean he sells it the face and looked great. But I mean the premier itself was actually very good.

I mean, I don't I feel like I have to be the correspondent on this show, But like, did you watch it? So you've watched it? Yeah? What else? Still have a to do? I have a new I have a new puppy at home. Like I'm not leaving my apartment. So, yeah, I watched drag Race. Who was your favorite? And why was it cornbread? She was the one that was like, I'm the number one was at one personator. Oh yeah, she was good. At this point, I don't have like

opinions about any of them. I'm really accepted. I did think it was funny that that one girl wore flip flops. Actually do love that. It was it was like very Macy Rodman like at bath Salts. I was literally about to say, so that girl Willow Hill, who was kind of maybe the Twitter sentiment favorite. I mean, obviously everybody loves corn bread, but I think the most people were talking about Willow Pill on Twitter afterwards when she entered.

I didn't. I didn't dig it because it's just so different than what we usually see on the like kind of polish of drag Race. But you're so right, Like what she is giving is so Brooklyn drag like in that it is like, you know, a little busted and like definitely dropped out of an art school, you know what I mean, Like they're they're so and I love the kind of performance e element of what she did.

Like I just fell in love with her more and more as the episode went on, So I'll be interested to see like if that kind of like weirdo aesthetic can like make it all the way to like a top moment. But you know, still a great premiere. Still rooting for the girls, Rooting for Carrie Colby also too. I think she's like she seems a little nervous, but

you know, I'm excited. Well transform, Yeah, I think corn Bread is also trans so at least she doesn't have She's not alone this season, which is kind of nice. I love to see the dolls represented. Um, speaking of dolls represented, Uh, did you watch the Euphoria premiere? No? I think what kept me from watching the premiere the other night was that I haven't watched the special from last year, nor do I plan to. They're very traumatic, so yeah, they're basically therapy. Can I just skip them

and go straight to season two? Do I need? Is? There is there plocked information in them that I need? This? Okay? This is this is useful for the virgins too, And no, this is not yes or no yes Otunately, when it comes to Euphoria, nothing is a yes or no answer to that. To that effect, I'm happy to be the Euphoria correspondent for this show, and I can do so without spoiling anything for you. I did rewatch the Euphoria special episodes before watching the premiere. I did think it

was very essential to my viewing experience. There are minute plot points that are revealed and the special episodes that I think are pretty important. But do they recap them at the beginning of the episode. No, No, they do not, because they're just completely different in format. They're not like episodes of TV. They're kind of like too long character studies, and uh, you know, it's some of my favorite TV writing I've ever seen in a very, very long time.

I really do watch the show and I'm like this, this is what everyone is hyped about, Like, well, I enjoy it, but but I'm also like this, really, but I'm happy that you love it so much. I'm excited to hear about what you don't like, because I mean, not to blow up your spot. You really loved the show when you first watched, like when you watched the

first few episodes. Well, I think a big part of it is just like, as I've gotten older, I have kind of less time for investigating the interior lives of teenagers because I'm just like, you're not a person, You're like you're a zygo, You're like a lump of clay. I guess like I would not want to see my own high school experience as like as an HBO series, right, Okay, Well, I mean I don't really think of them as teenagers.

They're basically adults, and but they are teenagers. And that's what gets weird because they're like having all this like crazy sex and doing all these drugs, and it's like it's TV. It's TV, and that's I mean that to me actually, And I think that the premiere showed this off really well, is that this show has a complete fantasy world of what we might have envisioned our high school experiences to be if they were as dramatic as

they felt. You know what I mean, Because when you're in high school, it really everything does feel like the end of the world. Everything does feel like life or death because your your hormones are so high. And like, I love that this premiere had like you know, steakouts and hundred mile per hour car rides and like a cheating scandal and like bloody fights and weapons and like drug dealing babies and like, I just loved it, um nothing more just sturbing. Though then Nate cracking a beer

bottle open with his teeth multiple times. I think Nate honestly is like a manifestation. He's basically just like the villain and the hot villain. He's like a manifestation of like every enemies to lovers fantasy like I've ever had. Also, will say a next one of the most stressful episodes of the series too. There's a very stressful scene that happens in a bathtub with Sydney Sweeney, who does some

of the best acting of the series. Um. I also, I lovingly refer to her as a jugsy Malone because yeah, she's like seventeen years old and she's got like tatas, but she's actually your in spirited alert. They're all like thirty, she's twenty four. Okay, Well that's that's l A thirty. That's l A thirty. Yeah yeah, um okay. Anyways, the world building of Euphoria is like my favorite thing on the planet, and that is kind of why what is the world besides the world these horny teenagers, Like, what

is the world being built? It's it's so much richer than that. The world is a kind of like I I know, I'm taking this very seriously, but a very like fun house mirror of high school and like a very dystopian high stakes kind of like high school world. Um. And I kind of love that about the show because just because they kind of sell me on it. The performances are are great and the cinema, the cinema is so fun. I am very excited to keep watching tbh. UM, I don't know if I can stay the same for

and just like that. Um, last week's episode was I felt kind of like filler to me, the filler queen, you know Carrie, Like, how much money does carry have? That's I was her net worth. It's It's so funny because from episode one to like episode three to like now, we've had multiple iterations of like, wait, how riches carry? Like like every time it's actually more I really want to know. I want to see her bank statements, like

I want to see her tox return. I guess I did post this question to some friends and also on Twitter, and people were saying, like maybe she had like a couple million on her own from her books. Maybe one of her books, was like a bestseller and was optioned

for like, you know, an indie movie. So she's got I'm going to say, like pre marrying big or like on her own, she's got maybe three million, but I think big considering that in the first episode they say that he's the next Donald Trump, which l O L and having the vineyard and NAPA and like the properties. I'm going to say, if he if he had a hundred million, Yeah, if he had enough money to just leave his ex wife a million dollars because he felt bad,

carry was left a hundred million, which is crazy. Yeah, It's like that is like literally like because she bought that apartment and then was like nah and then just like re sold it like she'd got it on the real reel. This is not shade she was giving you. You would do that. You would absolutely buy the most gorgeous luxury apartment and then within a week decide that you don't want to be there anymore. You would do that, which is why you maintain that you are a carrier.

And that is absolutely true, and it is what I texted a friend. I said, very very me, I will say, um, her problems feels so like feudal when she has so much more wealth than what we've seen in the kind of the rest of Sex in the City as a series, Like it's almost distracting the level of wealth where now bearing witness to. But I'm not mad at it, Like

I like that aspirational quality. Um. But I I'm curious to see what they're gonna do with Biggs ashes now that all the Christnath stuff has come out, because apparently they filmed in Paris, Like Carrie was supposed to like spread the ashes, big ashes in Paris, which is so freaking stupid, Like what is that? What is the kind of the importance of Paris? I guess, like because that's where they ultimately got back together in the finale. What oh right? The Bridge? Um, but I think New York

is more important for them. I was gonna say, if if she really wanted to, you know, be be true to Big Spirit, she would be scattering his ashes at at the Financial District, just like on the Cobblestones. Yeah, the Five Eyebrows getting their dig in bring Murray Hill, Yeah,

something like that. Um. I also have to talk about I can't decide if it was if it was funny or if if I was horrified, but Carrie and her cultural appreciation of um Seema's kind of like do Wally a traditional DESI garb that line that they wrote for Sema to say, I just you know, listen, I'm I'm white. I really can't make these decisions. But also I know, um. But at the same time, like I think even I knew that that was like a little you know, I um.

There are a lot of things about the show that I think are really disappointing on the kind of diversity and inclusion level of which I'm actually writing about right now. But I just feel like that that joke in particular was unfortunately actually funny. But it was funny because I know how wrong it is, and it's upsetting to think about the white people in the middle of the country that will hear this joke about you know, it's okay to culturally appreciate something and then think that they can

legitimately just like we're sorries out on the town. Is a joke to me? Is like just that's why, Yeah, that's why. It's kind of bizarre. There's obviously this um work ring thing where every person of color in this show is attached to a white counterpart that they are fixing in some way, you know, like she is fixing Miranda's midlife crisis. Nia is like acquiescing all of Miranda's like microaggressions and like kind of trying to like Pep talker.

And then she's you know, they're their friends now. And we have LTW, who is just like has doesn't have a ton of like personality traits outside of being referred to as like black Charlotte, you know what I mean. Anyways, Still, how many episodes do we have left? Even? I have no idea, but I do know that there's only one episode of Yellow Jackets left. You're not I haven't even watched episode two. I'm a friend. I'll watch it. I'll watch it. I'll watch I will, I will. You have

to buy next week because the finale is this Sunday. Okay, So okay, I'm gonna ask you. You don't like spoilers, You're gonna have to plug your ears because I just need to pop off. Okay, quick, couple of theories that I think are going to be revealed in the finale, Okay, please please do? Okay? And so I think that Adam, even though he's dead and like that might make everyone think like his story his dead ended. I think he's hobby. I think he's the dead guy's younger brother. I also

think they're going to eat Shawna's baby. I'm not listening, but I did hear someone's going to eat a baby. I think they're gonna eat Shahna's baby. I think that's what gets them into cannibalism. Jackie, I think obviously is still alive and it's like going to show up at the reunion. Even though Lottie put on the dear head dress in this week's episode, I don't think she's the Dear Queen from the opening of the first episode, I

think like that was like a red herring. I think maybe it's Shawna and Misty will kill the gay coach. There's a gay coach. Yeah, there's a gay coach. So last versions like, if you agree with any of these theories or have thought about them, tag me if you have your own theories, would love to hear them. And I'm so excited that we're getting season two. I mean, I don't know where it's going to go from here, but the girls are girls in the show designed with

you in mind. Today we're talking about the seminal iconic slasher film Scream, just in time for the new Scream Um, which is just called Scream. It's literally just called Scream. It's just called the numbers. It's technically Scream five. It's Scream five. I guess they're like, well, we've already done so many reboots, so let's just call it Scream. Okay, what was your first when you first watch this this movie? Like where? What did you watch it, like in real

time or did you watch it later? Not not real time because I was eight, so he was like a little too young, But I definitely watched it as a teenager, like pretty young, probably middle school eight year old Rose watching it is not that far off base, though you would as an eight year old. You Know what I think could be true though, is I may have watched Scary movie first and then wondered what it was making

fun of and gone back and watched Scream. Okay, that actually tracks that would that would want me, that would bring me to the source material, to which I mean, like, doesn't make sense because how do you watch scary movie without the context of having watched Scream? But Scary movie is incredible, so I guess you can enjoy it either way. I famously don't love like I don't love like um

like bro comedies, you know what I mean? Like, I feel like scary movies kind of like a absurdy kind of bro e. I wouldn't call it a bro comedy. I mean it has on a Ferrist and Regina Hall. I mean it's a way his Brothers movie. But it did start the trend of parody film. So like there were obviously all the scary movie movies, and then there was like a disaster movie. There was a movie that was a kind of Twilight parody. Not another teen movie was I actually think not another team movie is great,

and that's the film that gave us Chris Evans. You said, Wayne brother I feel like maybe on principle, I don't watch anything wherein the producers are like blank brothers like Wayne's brothers. What about the film's studio Warner Brothers, the movies. No, No, I'm talking about like the Coen brothers, Like they should all be replaced at the witch House. The witch HOUSEKEI sisters should just do everything they should do. Not another

team movie, no comment. Well, let's let's take it back to Scream you watched Scream for the first time recently, literally last week upon this recording, Um, what did you think? I okay, okay, it either might chock you or won't shock you at all. That since that this movie has come out twenty five years ago, it has never ever been spoiled to me that Drew Barrymoret dies in the first twelve minutes. I had no idea. How is that possible?

I have no idea? And did you? How did you not immediately clock that when she was the first person to appear in the movie she was going to immediately die. I thought that, Okay, I kind of knew she was gonna die because people I was watching it with a group that we're all like Scream fanatics, and so they were alluding to the fact that she was going to die. So it was ruined for me kind of like in

real time, but like literally before the movie started. Had no idea, and I honestly didn't even remember that she was like in it, but I remember obviously the image of her holding the phone is like iconic to me, But I think maybe mentally actually didn't know what movie that even came from. You can't be precious about spoilers for a movie that came out twenty five years ago. No, no no, no, I'm not at all. I'm saying I'm

shocked that it was never spoiled. To me, honestly, UM, maybe that's a testament to, um, how much I am in a cultural vacuum sometimes that I had no idea. Um, But yeah, I mean I loved it. I think that Drew Barrymore deserves to ask her. I think that she gave the best performance of her life and that that was like there was it was like truly flawless, and

I love learning after that. Um, when they went out to Drew, they wanted her to be the main character, and she read the script and was like, no, no, no, this first girl is it? And I don't know, maybe it was like do you think it's like a managerial thing about She didn't want to be like shoveled into. No. I bet she, Well, she was Drew Barrymore. So I'm sure she said, let me do like one day on this movie and that's it. Yeah, you know, because you know,

shooting at night, I'm sure it's really annoying. So you know, she did like she did two days on set, Max and she was out and she's iconic forever because of it, so she didn't need to do more. I actually think, well, let me not say that Drew Barrymore is more iconically associated with Screen then Nev Campbell, because like then I will have a lot of angry people, but just at

your door with pitchfork. But I definitely, when you think about Scream, like when you think about its cultural legacy, even though she is even though she does not survive the first ten minutes of the movie, Drew Barrymore is one of the people who was always forever associated with the film and the franchise. Just the image of her, honestly is Scream to me. Something I have to say. It's when I was watching the movie, I was obviously stoned,

and I kept I kept calling um the murder. I can't remember the murder's name, but I kept calling it ghost Face. That's their name, ghost Face, their name. I kept calling them Scream. I was like, I was like, oh, no, Scream is coming, and they were like, his name is not Scream. I'm sorry, their name is not Scream. And you know, I not to take us on a tangent, but I wouldn't say this is Drew Barrymore's best performance. You will know what my favorite Drew Barrymore performances ever After? Yes,

that because I am your best friend. Yes, I love ever After, even though Drew Barrymore does a horrible accent in it. Um, but it's amazing. Angela Houston is so good. What's your favorite Drew Barrymore performance. I actually had never really seen a Drew Barrymore performance until a few years ago when a Drew Barrymore fanatic who I was also sleeping with, cracked me into like all of her movies, and we watched ever After, We watched all of the

Charlie's Angels, we watched Never Been Kissed. Um, and I think, I mean, to me, Charlie's Angels, maybe her and Charlie's Angels too. Honestly, is so canonically Drew, and I think that there's a piece of that character in every character she plays. You know what I mean? Well, before she has any character she plays, she is Drew Barrymore. Of course. Um. One of her performances that I actually really love that she might have won an award for. She did the

Great Gardens Movie with Jessica Lang. Um. There was an HBO film that's based on you know, the documentary, and she's so good in it as little Eady. I've literally never seen it. Well Trueiform will do an episode on it, you know, at some point in the future. Okay, Scream. One of the reasons why I love Scream is because it's this meta movie. It's a horror movie that's about horror movies, which I did not realize because when I first got into it, I was like, oh, this is

a straightforward slasher. But yeah, the the you know, the nerdy character like the film nerd spends the whole movie talking about the rules of horror movies and that is what the whole franchise is built around. And even the killers who were unmasked eventually revealed that they've been using the archetypes of horror movies, you know, like the virgin and then the slut and like the all of those to build their narrative. I feel like there, I think I just didn't expect the movie to be as like

deep as it was. I don't know if deep is like the right word, but like it's definitely smart for

us a nineties teen slasher movie, yeah exactly. I think I just wasn't expected like any other, like you know, horror skeptics out there like me, or people that think like a movie like Scream is not for you, which is kind of like where I was at, Like it really like I came away from the movie being like I actually have like a shifted perspective on the genre, like on horror movies because of the commentary within the film, Like I just thought it was very smart. Um, like

I just left. I mean them talking about the final girl and them talking about like the motivation of a killer, and like there were so many just different components of it where I was like, Oh, this is amazing. Who do you have a favorite final girl in general? Out of all horror movies? I mean, um, maybe this is too obvious, but in House of Wax, Harris Hilton does die in Sexy Laundree after getting her achules tendants sliced. Well,

then she's not a final girl because she doesn't survive. Well, oh, oh, is the final girl archetypes someone who the final girl is the girl who? Okay, and the real answer is my favorite final girl is Kyle Richards in Real Housewives of Beverly Hills as the last one standing in the horror that is that franchise. That is a really good answer. Kyle Richards, Who's you know? Made her comeback in Halloween Kills the movie we have not seen because we heard it was bad, but we might have by the time

this episode comes out. I guess in the pantheon a final girls, like you know, Jamie Lee Curtis is, She's it. She is the blueprint for all these other hos. Trauma. It's a movie. It's a film about trauma, trauma, trauma, trauma, trauma. Um. Yeah, she should be in every horror movie. Though. I think Jamie Lee Curtis should be in most films, and she is in most films. She low key is and she's in a lot of yo play commercials. Oh no, what's

the yogurt? Because it's because it's good for your digestion, it's good for your bones, it's good for your bones and for people like Jamie Lee Curtis. So if you relate to Jamie Lee Curtis, you'll love this yogurt anyways. Um, so, I don't know what you're like first horror movie was, but like I was super duper scared of all horror movies growing up. Um, because when you are super duper Christian. Anything in the horror genre is like brew Headia. It's

like the Devil. It's like something that's super forbidden or dark or like linked to like a dark spirit, like literally not joking, that's like the framework within like my family was functioning. So the first I didn't see a scary movie until I was like sixteen, like fifteen sixteen, like I was older, and all my friends by then had seen one, and I had a friend who was obsessed with horror movies. My best friend in fourth grade,

Katie bid Strip. You were low key a bully to me but also my best friend, and you were coming for you. Katie a part of a long lineage of best friends who eventually become my bullies. And anyways, that felt that felt pointed. I don't know what you're talking about, um, And she like basically taped my eyes open and made me watch the entire Saw franchise. So are you the kind of person who during a scary movie you cover your eyes or Okay, I get that. I used to

be like that. What I would do when I used to watch like are you afraid of the dark? When I was a kid, is I would kind of go to the door of my room and stand there and be kind of half in, half out, so that I could, you know, duck out during a really scary part. There's this one episode of Are You Afraid of the Dark where there's this jester who's like in a comic book

and he is blue drool, and it's so scary. I'm so I'm just like really triggered by what you just said because you just made me think of Goose Bumps and how that terrorized Goose. It's the scariest thing I've ever watched. I was a child. I was a child, and I had bully neighbors. There are a lot of themes going on at this podcast. Can you detect them? Um? I had neighbors that lived in my cul deest act. There was six and seven, six or seven of them, and they all like knew I was a fag and

like made me, you know, their immediate victim. And one of them had that really scary mask from the first Goose Bumps the Haunted Masks episode, the Haunted mask, and chased me down the street wearing it like like five five or six blocks until I ran hunt. That is pretty traumatic. Was well, once you started watching scary movies? Did you gain an appreciation for horror? Do you do you like the action of do you like being afraid

when you're in general? Rightfully, after Sawgate, after my best friend Slash Greatest Bully tortured me and made me watch all the song movies, I took a long break, and then when everyone started talking about get Out, I was like, Okay, I will go and see that movie. I may be seen a few horror movies in between, but get Out was the first horror movie I willingly watched, and I went to the theater alone to go and see it because I was just really invested in like the story

it was going to tell. And even though like I I personally feel like and maybe horror purists will say, it's like, it's not a horror, it's like more of a psychological thriller that has like a little horror, But I just was so enraptured by the movie for obvious reasons, but also just the fact that it had deconstructed what I thought a horror movie could be. Because I had that kind of like stigma that like a lot of people, you know, think, which is that horror movies are all

sensationalism and don't have any like depth at all. Well, we're in a kind of golden age of horror right now where horror is like very elevated, um, and we just think about horror movies differently. They still don't at the same kind of credit as other types of films. Um. And I think that's something that Scream like Relish is in, Like it is not apologizing for being a horror movie or a slasher movie. It's very gleeful about it, and

I think that's why it's so entertaining. I also love, you know, the Killers, Like they're very clearly like a gay couple. They are they so are they? There's that one image of them like standing together that always like makes the rounds on Twitter about them like being together. I'm sure there's fan fiction about them, and I might go actually look them up after we're finished recording today. They look like a very specific kind of gay couple.

Like they look like they just they're looking for a third Yeah, a third at Spectrum Yeah no not not Holy Mountain. No. I think they're a little dirty three dollar bill, three dollar bill, yeah, dollar bill or like maybe mood ring and yeah, yeah, mood ring okay, okay, okay, um have So now that you've watch Scream, will you be going and watching any of the sequels? Okay? So I did, in fact fall asleep to Scream too and Scream three. So Scream two is Sydneys in college, right,

and there's like a play that she's in, I believe. Well, it's pretty much every sequel contains a parodied version of Scream well, right, because then they start making the movies, which the Stab series and Scream three is much more about that. Scream three also has Parker Posey, who is amazing.

And so if you haven't watched any of these, the gist is there's a movie within a movie, or rather a franchise within a franchise, and the one within is called Stab and like Stab two, Stab three, which doesn't have the same kind of ring to it that Scream does, but it's really funny, like it's just things like that.

It's just it's such a there's such succinct punchlines. And I was reading that um when spoiler alert, Jada pinkeets Smith dies in the beginning that she told the director that she wanted to have the most gruesome death in the history of horror movies like she said that, like to the director. Good for her. Honestly, it wasn't that gruesome. The movies do get increasingly meta as they go on.

Scream Scream For has Emma Roberts in it, and spoiler alert, she's well, she's Sydney's cousin, and you find out, like towards the end of the movie that she is one of the killers and she's been engineering this whole thing to make herself into a victim so that she can be as famous as Sydney Prescott. But you know, obviously she fails at the end. And I actually think it's one of the best of the screams um And also Hayden Penny Tier isn't it And she has a very

gay haircut. And I don't understand why her character in the movie isn't her name's Kirby. I don't get why she's Kirby is such a lesbian. Get why she's not just gay? She should play gay in general? Like Hidden Penetier, I absolutely would stand. Okay, I think that the question on the tip of all of our virgins, like tongues is um. It was screamed for the one where Gail Weather's debuted her turf Bangs. No, that was Scream three

is when turf Bangs became a thing. Wow? Was she also like holding a copy of like um, a Robert Gale Braith novel. Nev Campbell did kind of set herself up as a Scream queen by starring in this movie. I think this was before The Craft, which also iconic. Well, also you made me watch Yeah, well, no, we didn't watch The Craft. We watched to the sequel to The Craft. No we didn't. Yeah, we did the one that came out last year, but you have you have still never

seen the original Craft movie. Oh my god, and the Craft and the Craft two is bad. Yeah, the reboot was really bad, and I mean yeah, I really wanted to like it because of the trans character. Yeah there's a trans character, but she was. We love her. But it's not a good movie. It's not a good movie and it will never be. It's no one will ever be for a balk. You better take some notes from the real rebootmakers, like um The Witches starring and hat

Away Rose damnus favorite movie. It's not a favorite favorite, but it is. I do enjoy it a lot. In we can't talk about Scream without answering the question that ghost Face poses. What's your favorite scary movie? Like scary movies? Um, what is your favorite scary movie? Friends? I don't know if I am if I've consumed enough horror to like maybe have a favorite. Um, but I will remember Hereditary

until I die. And And but the thing is, and I think this is like similar to maybe not your answer, but I think a lot of people I know I have a similar experience of like, I'm not sure I'm going to remember it because I like loved watching it. I think I'm gonna remember it because I was traumatized all the way through. But I do think that there's something like the fact that I was so like kind of viscerally shaken. It's just a testament how well it

was done. My old apartment in New York had very tall ceilings, and after seeing Hereditary, I always thought that Tony Collette was up there hovering on the ceiling. It's an image that will never leave me, that her like swimming. You know, now when I watch horror movies, I can watch them and and kind of make myself less scared and be take myself out of it and say, like that's just an actor, you know whatever. Um, but not with Hereditary. Not with Hereditary. But it's not not my

I wouldn't say it's my favorite scary movie. My favorite scary movie is definitely The Shining. It's one of my favorite films. Haven't yet And actually, during the beginning of the pandemic, when we were really in lockdown, I decided it was a good time to finally read The Shining, which is literally about people being locked inside a hotel. I don't know why I did that to myself. Um, the book is a lot different than the film, and I actually really enjoyed it and it kind of enriched

my experience of the movie. And um, there's also no a sequel film to it, Doctor Sleep, which is based on the sequel that Stephen King wrote. And Stephen King famously like doesn't like The Shining movie because, yeah, because it's very different than the book. And I think he said something along the lines of, you know, it's a great art film, but it's not really like a great

adaptation of the book. And I think that's true to a point because The Shining is so beautiful, um, and the book is like a lot more layered, you know, most books are when you talk about movie adaptations, but Dr Sleep does a really good job of going of minding what happens in the Shining novel and merging it with the movie adaptation in a really beautiful way. Um. And I also love Rebecca Ferguson, who plays the villain

in the movie. Um. I have never seen The Shining, as I said, UM, but I'm not much for like a Jack Nicholson vehicle. But maybe, I mean, maybe that's for shallow reasons because he just always plays like you. But what about Oh, she's amazing, you need to watch The Shining. Um. I also have to say with Stephen King's books, love love the guy. Well, actually we don't. Didn't wasn't he the person on Twitter that like basically said that like white privilege doesn't exist or something like that.

You know, Stephen King is actually the first adult novel I ever read was carry I was at the library when I was in I want to say fourth grade, and I saw Carrie on the shelf and I think maybe liked the book cover and picked it up and read it at far too young of an age. Was very impressionable, so much about you, and it did really set the scene I love. I love the Carry film, the Brian to Palma film. Did you like the reboot with Cloud? Grace Marts never seen it and Julianne Moore

never seen it. It was honestly not terrible. What I did not like is the Rage Carry Too, which came out in the early two thousands, and there's one scene in which the um, the girl, the main character who is like the Carry character, kills people by having making CDs fly at them and cut them with her mind. What yeah, that's I mean, I still kind of want to watch it. That sounds camp. A recent horror movie that has become one of my favorite movies definitely is

in now. I would say my top ten favorite films is Suspiria two, the remake of the of the like iconic horror film um and I just I love it so much, A film I had to turn off at. You know the part that you probably know what I'm talking about. It's a very disgusting. Oh the scene we're within the dance studio where she gets torn up. Watch Dakoda Johnson. Oh my god, Dacoda Johnson isn't that movie? And she looks Dakoda Johnson until the Swinton. Also Chloe

Grace Martze's in it. Oh, of course. One question I have to bring this all back is why is Scream five or Scream Screme? Why is it coming out in January because it's a winter movie. Maybe they're trying to get into that shining slot because the Shining is not like a Halloween movie. It's like a winter movie. Yeah, but I you usually do watch it during Halloween season. Really, but I actually guess I would feel comfortable watching it like kind of any time. Maybe, right, it's Chile in January,

in January, I will watch the Shining. Yeah, that's it. What about Scream other than Drew Barrymore is Bob makes it like a kind of gay cult classic because it's it's camp. It's just pure. It's pure camp it is, and camp that is and it's self aware exactly, you know, as they say, or as the definition of camp goes. The two definitions of camp are in like camp in its purest form where it doesn't know it's camp, like

Mommy Dearest or Um or Judy Garland. And then camp that is highly aware of itself, like that like Scream or RuPaul people bleep, not the which actually makes sense that Scream is camp because when I almost went to the camp met Gala, I was thinking of going as Gail Weathers from Scream in her lime green skirt suit, which would have been so good. It would have been

so good. But I don't know if people would have like automatically gotten the reference they don't need to, because I think it would have been kind of immediately like they don't need to. They would have just been like, who's that bitch in the lime green skirt with the turf banks, with the turf banks on like a comically big microphone, comically big. I I do love how I

see myself in Gail Weathers in that um. She will celebrate herself at all costs totally, and she is extremely callous and all she's trying to do is get that story, that story, even if she has to fabric kate it.

I love in Scary Movie, the Gail Weather's characters played by Ryo Terry from Saturday Night Live, and there's one scene at the beginning where she is reporting live in front of the school and says, you know, there there's a like rampage that's left four teens dead, and uh, like teenager tried starts bothering her, and she just pulls a gun out and shoots him and turns back to the camera. Goes five teams dead. No, so good. You have to watch scary movie. I probably want. I'm not

gonna lie, but so funny. What I want to know is what news site do you think Gale Withers would write for? In Huffington Post period down. The Huffington Post doesn't have a video budget. First of all, um, the Federalist. Oh no, well, what's the one? It's not Newsweek, it's um, the New York Post. No, no, the New York Post. Actually yeah, or like the Daily Beast, The Times, the Daily Atlantic. It's Michael barbar Do you want to know do you want to hear my Michael Barbaro impression? I

don't actually know who that is. Michael Barbarro is the host of The Daily. Oh I forgot that. You famously have never listened to a podcast, not even this one. So everyone listening to this podcast knows The Daily because they list into the podcast. And The Daily is the most famous podcast in the world. It's like the Annointies podcast. Michael never heard of it, so it can't be that Famie Michael Barbarrow and this is the Daily. Do you

think that was good? Well, according to your impression, he's no. Gail Weathers. No, I mean Gail Gail Weathers should host The Daily, is what we're saying. Have you noticed in recent years that I think this the ghost face mask from Scream has been claimed by gay guys as like something very horny. Yeah, I've watched a lot of Scream horn there's yeah, there's a lot of porn of people wearing the Scream mask. I have a friend who has a tattoo of like a hot naked guy wearing the

ghost face mask with a knife on his thigh. Oh my god, that's kind of cool. Actually, I the drag show that I saw that had that, you know, it was like a Scream tribute show. When they revealed the final Scream, the final Scream. His name is Son, his name is Scream. And when they finally revealed screaming like took first he like disrobed and he was wearing like a leather jockstrap and then he took off his mask and it was just like this hot guy with like

blood dripping out of his mouth. And yeah, it was it was incredible. Ghost face doesn't drink blood. Scream definitely drinks blood. First of all, yes he does, Segnal. I also didn't know that Screams Mask wasn't his name. Isn't realized that Screams Mask wasn't invented by the movie. It existed before the movie. It was like a generic Halloween costume. Did you know that? I did not know that. That's crazy. They took like, do you think that someone else owns

the rights to like Screams Face. No, Scream definitely owns the right to ghost face. Right, how have you ever worn a ghost face mask? I actually can't wear a Halloween mask of any kind because of as we said at the beginning, ghost bumps in the Haunted Mask, Because isn't the conceit of that episode just like a child wears the Haunted Mask and all of a sudden he became it will like it won't come off a month, Yeah, it won't come off and he becomes like a psycho

killer or whatever. That is like literally my fear every time we wear a mask in fact, that it's going to mold to your face and face and then I will become a psycho killer. Yes, I'm just that sounds kind of fun, though, I'm sure it sounds like for you. Who needs a mask emblematic of this thing that I experienced When I was seven or eight, My um best friend let me like hand me down his Darth Vader costume um that I so I could wear it for Halloween.

And I tried it on and looked in the mirror and was so scared that I had to take it off and be something else by Darth Vader. Yeah, it was really scared of Darth Vader, and like, well, just know it wasn't actually Darth Vader himself. It was looking in the mirror and seeing seven year old me as Darth Vader and being petrified of the monster I had become. Even though it's not Halloween. What is your best ever Halloween costume? Uh? Okay, wait, come back to me. What

was yours? Well, famously, I am really bad at Halloween costumes. I don't like them. I like unless the idea, you know, strikes me, and even then I just like never execute them. Well, but in recent years I've had two that I liked, which were Ms Piggy and Old Rose from Titanic, And I think for me, a Halloween costume what I want it to be is like kind of funny, and it has to be instantly recognizable and like it gets it, like gets the assignment. Like I don't ever want to

have to explain my costume to someone. My prerequisites for Halloween costumes are that it needs to be sexy. But I'm not gonna be I'm never gonna like wear a jock strap, you know, like as like a costume. Like I'm not that bad, but I do want it to be,

like I want to look kind of sexy. So maybe my best Halloween well, I don't know if I have the best Halloween costume, but I had a really sick angel costume, like and I had these giant like angel wings that I had to like go through the door sideways in order to like you know, go into any room. And I covered myself in like gold paint, and it looked really sick. And I just like I can never build up the energy to think of Halloween costumes like you, And so I was that angel like for the next

four years, over the next half four Halloween. Yeah, I think maybe that's what I have to do, is just like decide that Old Rose and are my two Halloween costumes, and that's what I do every year. You honestly could wear a super duper cute outfit and then just the pick knows and everyone would know exactly who you are,

you know what I mean? Like I feel like that's all you All you need is like the nose, and then you can just kind of be like cut I either need to be like have a have a good costume like that, or like I'm wearing black and I'm just spooky. Yeah, I'm wearing black and I'm just so But that's okay. That's actually a really annoying phenomenon at

Halloween parties when everyone's like, so what are you? It's like, well, if it doesn't immediately, if you don't immediately get it, like I don't really want to explain it to you, dude. So this is all great advice for you virgins when Halloween comes around in nine more months, because it's January, right, Has Scream inspired you to watch more scary movies? Not

Scream specifically? I think that like as we said earlier, like Jordan Peel and Ariaster and those folks um or like The Witch, or I loved Invisible Man like this, like class Invisible Man was really good. Okay, wait, I didn't know that you saw it because everyone I know hated it. I watched it. I watched it when it was on demand, you know, like in early Quarantine. I saw it in theaters. That was like the last the movie that came out before COVID. I think it was

the last movie I saw before. But it was really I mean it had like three or four endings, like it was a long movie. But it was really good. Emma, Emma Moss. Elizabeth Moss should be in a lot of I mean, she was amazing. She stole a show in US. In my opinion, I didn't love Us. Yeah, I didn't think it was amazing, but I loved Elizabeth Moss in it. Maybe she has like maybe the kind of like um, the the way that scientology has like warped her brain makes her like better at those kinds of roles or

things like that. Yeah, she's dealt with real life horror. Yeah, exactly in a way that many people have not. If you were in a horror movie frohim, what is the archetype that you would fulfill? I I mean I feel like I would die. I think I could really really eat and drew Barrymore esque kind of like death that like sets the tone for the rest of the movie. And I also see myself as dying and then you know a lot of people being affected by it. So you're the person who dies first, and then there's a

candlelight vigil for you at the school. They're playing dancing Queen by Aba. They've got peonies. So you're gay in the movie. Also, well, they're not. No one's gonna cast me as like a heterosexual, you know what I mean, Like I'm not gonna like walk into the hormone and be like, hey guys, I'm just here with my girlfriend Cindy, and you know what I mean, Like like I just I don't know any casting agent would be like, no, let's get darn Chris for the rule, you know what

I mean. Okay, so you're you're the cameo star who does two nights sunset Max Max um but still is on the press tour. Yes, still is on the press tour, still in the poster even maybe oh definitely on the

post during the post Okay, okay, okay, um. And then maybe I also see um a really bad like flashback or memory for me, something that like the main character has to like, you know, go back in time and have this like you know, there's a memory of us together and like a I don't know, like a rowboat or or it turns out that you like when they're trying to figure out who the killer is, you have some you have some connection to them, and like a big part of the middle chunk of the movie is

them trying to figure out why you were killed, and you know, like you were the killing. Like maybe the reason they're trying to figure out why it's because the main character is maybe some gay man who should be cast It would have to be. Anyways, what I was going to say is the main character is maybe some closeted gay man who's having an affair with me and then I die at the beginning, and he is trying to, without disclosing his queerness, solve my murder. Why does he

have to be closeted? If we've learned this period film, if we learned anything from gay movies, well we all saw Happiest Season, a movie that felt like it was made in two thousand two. Um. But anyways, I'm glad you mentioned the Murderer so that we can now hop onto where you come in in the movie, So how

do you kill everybody? Do you think you're right? I would be the killer, but no, it would be it would be a fake out because I would be the sort of like snarky, um, like mean girl or like somewhere somewhere in there who has a big death scene I want to say in the third act of the film. But you never see me actually die. And so when like I have like a partner who's like my Patsy and it seems like they're the killer, and then they die and I walk out of the shadows, I've been

the killer the whole time. Sick. Okay, Okay, there's an added layer to this. I feel that. Um, well, okay, I'm presuming that your character is trans but like I no, no, I don't want to where, no where in this movie. I'm the closet. No, we're cut cutting that cutting that. Um what I was kind of saying, No, that's funny, let's leave it in. What I was gonna say. What I was gonna say was that I don't want to foreclose. I think you, as a transactories should be able to

play assist gen or characters. However, let's say, let's say, if your character was trans. The whole reason no one suspected you is because, let's say it's like hyper contemporary film, they don't want to get canceled, you know how, like there's this thing, yeah exactly, because they're like, oh, exactly, there's a thing. Actually, there's a very big thing happening.

We're in Sometimes marginalized people are kind of just straight up bad, but we don't say anything because we don't want to be like you know, and I think that means so my my villain character plays off of that. Yeah, and your and and there's actually a lot of really obvious evidence that I'm the killer, and like people keep wanting to bring it up in the score swells, and I just kind of give them a look like oh really, And then it's just like, well, I guess can't be herd.

Maybe there's a point at maybe there's a point where the gay guy is like actually does accuse you know, where the kid actually does the gay guy who's the like the by beard who's in love with me, um actually does accuse you? And and you're like, um, it's actually a really dangerous and stigmatizing trope for like trans vengeance to be injected and these narratives blah blah blah,

and then at the end you're like, I am actually avenging. No, I don't think I want to have any sort of like high brow, like restorative justice type reason to be killing people. I think I just want to be a murderer love. Actually, I think the gay guys in Scream say that, like they don't really have a reason other than that they just want to kill people. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Well let's make this movie Love is Love coming to

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