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Fran Toronto. Anyone who has listened to this podcast knows that Julia Roberts is very important to me personally and I as well. She is mother, Um. She also once started in a film called Mother's Day wearing a truly horrible orange wig. And when she's not mother, she is sister, and when she's not sister she is Auntie. Oh yeah, I have watched sometimes and said she was so aunt

for that. She was, she was so second cousin for that. Yeah, she's in She's in Mother's Day, and she's also in Stepmother, which I did watch that plane step Mom, step Mom, Yes, I did watch that on a plane recently. Very good. Um. I think I'm trying to think back and figure out what my first encounter with the Julia Roberts was, and I'm pretty sure it was my best friend's wedding, which makes a lot of sense because my best friend's wedding

is my favorite Julia Roberts film. It's my favorite romantic comedy. It is one of my favorite movies. I would say, like top ten. Wow, okay, I um, I'm I honestly only seen it one so I kind of want to maybe we'll pin that and I want to know more about my best friend's wedding. I will say true to like the way I grew up. My first Julia Roberts movie was Hook, where she plays tinker Bell. Oh wait, maybe Hook was mine too? Really Okay, I just don't

think of Hook. It's because the role is so small and yet literally she adds something to Tink that no one else could. Like, there's a Julian is that like is just so specific? Well, she's very sexy in it. She's well, okay, so here's the mean, this's a very sexualized tinker Bell. You I would okay, So I would actually wager this is like very theoretical just about Julia

Rolls in general. I would actually say that a Julia role, whether it's tinker Bell, my best friend's wedding, Aaron Brockovich, whatever, is a little less sexy and a little more gorgeous.

Like she has an innocent not innocent. She has a beauty that is quote unquote family friendly or like, she has a beauty that I think fits into so many different narratives, and she's able to get yes, she's able to give sex appeal in a way that you know, men watching will be like, oh my god, she was so hot, and then people, you know, people that aren't her, guys jerking off to Julia Robert. I think that's my point. It's like she doesn't give sex. I think I think

she gives romance. She's immediately romantic with everything. And it's like you wouldn't think of Tinkerbell as a role that would be romantic, and of course the way they wrote it and also who they put in it, it's like she's going to bring the love element, like the gorgeous love infatuation, Like yeah, I don't know, but okay, hook

my best friend's wedding. What did you latch onto when you first watch either of those with Julia Well, I do remember thinking, well, I think this is a weird thing about Hook in general, is that I, um like the scene where Robin Williams um goes walks the plank and the mermaids rescue him and breathe into his mouth. I found that very erotic as a child erotic, and for some reason that's also tied into Julia Roberts when tinker Bell becomes big and kisses um Peter pan Um.

I also found that weirdly hot as a child. As a child, it was wish fulfilment because like I I for sure maybe like Peter Pan, I loved growing. I mean it's so it's like, you know, obviously promedic, but like as a kid, I love the cartoon Peter Pan And like I as a kid who was kind of love crazy, like like the idea of romancing tinker Bell, like that was like wish fulfilm. And I think even as a kid. So maybe we can go into my best friend's wedding. I maybe you can induct me into

this movie. So okay, here's let me give a sort of um a brief synopsis of My Best Friend's Wedding. UM So, My Best Friend's Wedding is a romantic comedy film. It's about Julia Roberts plays a food critic who I forgot that she it's very important to the plot. Uh not really, it's very important to her character. So she plays a food critic who has this old friend from college and they made a pact that if they reached some arbitrary age, which now in my mid thirties looking

back on it is like so young. It's like twenty nine or thirty years old. If they got that old and never got married, they would marry each other. And so Julia Roberts when she gets this call from her old friend, is like, oh he he's like remembering the

bet and like there's still something between us. But actually what he has to tell her is that he's getting married to a like twenty two year old who is played by Cameron Diaz, one of her best roles in my opinion, And Julia Roberts decides that that's her man, and she's going to go break up their wedding, and she spoiler alert kind of does and then kind of doesn't. They do still get married, but I think this is

a radical rom com, especially for the time. In several ways, Julia Roberts's character is very obviously the villain of this story. She is a bad person. She does bad things all throughout the movie. She tries to get Dermott mulroney fired from his job so that or or she tries to like come but so Cameron Diaz. His parents dad is like really rich and has offered um the Germott Maroney a job, and like Julia Roberts tries to like just like get between them, and she very she like is

the villain. She goes into this with the purpose of breaking up their marriage and like, yes, she is the protagonist of the film. But she's not a good person, and I think this movie makes that very clear. And she doesn't get well, she doesn't get the traditional rom com happy ending that we are familiar with, because I think in a softer movie, the the romantic lead would break up with his girlfriend who would be like a

shrew or like some kind of horrible person. But Cameron is genuinely like you root for her to yeah, oh yeah, she is like she is so magnetic and um, so funny and so vulnerable and beautiful, and you understand why this guy has fallen in love with her, and you also understand why him and Julia would never work out. Yeah, and I think you know, Julia is kind of a perfect anti hero, like Julia coming in saying like it's me, hi,

I'm the problem. But like also like um, and when we're talking about like the Julia cinematic universe and the roles she adopts, like she in xis kind of permeable likability And I obviously hate that term, but like in in this era of rom comes right like film exects like are like women need to be likable, like we need likable characters, likable blah blah blah, and like using the word like likability as critique for like a character is so like it actually has it just like doesn't

make sense as a critique and usually it's like thinly veiled misogyny or like whatever. But Julia does embody this like quintessential likability so that even when she's doing the most deplorable things, you can't help but like love her character. Yes, well what I think she has is and this I really think is the thesis of this episode is that Julia Roberts is one of our last movie stars exactly, and that is what she has. It's it's not just likability,

it's she has star quality. Julia Roberts from an era of movie stars that does not exist anymore. I don't have them next to Angelina Jolie and you know, all those classic A listers. And there is a reason not to get to ahead of ourselves. Why her movie Ticket to Paradise with George Clooney, which whatever you want to say about it, was a huge box office success purely because of the two star quality of the leads. What what Julia Roberts has, going back to our drag race

conversation earlier, is charisma, uniqueness, nerv and talent. Actually say

that she is the star package. And that's why something like my best Friend's Wedding, where I think if she had been played by a different actress who didn't have that real world connotation of being a movie star, of being America's sweetheart, people would have been against her and would have seen the way the movie ends as her like getting her come up and rather than the ending actually being in credibly sweet and pretty radical for the time, because the way the movie ends is that you know,

this man that she's been trying to get marries this woman and she is left alone at the reception and her gay best friend comes and dances with her, and it's like this very beautiful, like um instance of you know, like a chosen family moment in a straight asked nineties rob car Yeah, and her as a movie starts. So what you're basically saying is like if the kind of Hollywood actress Pipeline was drag race, this current generation of stars, like the Emma Roberts so to speak, are giving Marsha.

I don't know the Emma Roberts. I'm saying, Emma, Emma Roberts is giving Marcia Marsha. Marcia, and Julia's giving mystress. Julia is giving mistress. I would not. I would not in anyways. Um I yeah, No, I tend to agree with you. I think there's a there's a genisiqua about like what Julia and people like Julia can do that

just like can't be done as much anymore. Well, because you think about a lot of her early roles and like, even though she became known as a rom com queen, her early roles were very sort of non traditional and were the things that maybe would lead to an actress usually getting pigeonholed, because like her first movie, if you look at her filmography, what is it her first well, I mean not her first movie, but like one of her one of her big break performances was Pretty Woman,

in which she played a hooker. Yeah. And and I think in that in that same vein like the women that Julia tends to play are women that are, even though she's dropped dead, gorgeous like that must be said, women who are off the beaten path, women who are emotionally complex, women who will not be beholden to their you know, romantic um you know, co lead or whatever. Like she has this autonomy, this gumption, I think, um,

and this kind of like you know, laughy sexy resilience. Well, I mean not even sexy as the iconic we smile is iconic, you know what. I think the thing with Julia is is that something that she does which I think we don't like in other actors, which is that she cannot disappear into a role. You always know, you always know that you're watching Julia Roberts. But with where with with other actors, that would be a negative with her.

It's additive because you are so aware of who she is and she is such a magnanimous, like um vivacious, vibrant presence. I r l that she brings that to every role she plays, and she like fills it up. So even though she's not doing some like fucking method work where she's disappearing into a role and like making herself look ugly, you wouldn't want her to do that because that ineffable Julia Roberts thing that she brings is why we love her and why we want to watch

it over and over again. Her playing different versions of the same woman, which is just herself. That's what makes her a star. And you know, I don't want to talk about the Oceans franchise, but it is why in Oceans I think twelve or whatever, it's so genius that

Julia Roberts. And did you see Oceans twelve. There's this scene where she does she plays, you know, just a woman she plays, you know, she's a character in this franchise, and there's a scene where she pretends to be Julia Roberts, and that and the fact that she can't disappear into a role makes that element of the plot so doubly triply funny. Yes, it's so. I thought it was so good. But I also haven't watched Oceans in a really long time,

so I don't know how I would think about it now. Well, it's also why she was kind of the only person in who could play her role in notting Hill. I've never seen. Okay, So I rewatched notting Hill recently for the first time since when I originally saw it. Um, which was like when it first came out, and it's not a good movie. And I and you used to used to love it, right, No I did not. Oh, I thought you had told me to watch it before.

And so I like, I really love Richard Curtis, who is the writer director behind Four Weddings in a Funeral And like a lot of Grant's films, Um, notting Hill. I don't think it's a very good movie having rewatched it recently. But Notting Hill is about this bumbling English guy played by Hugh Grant also doing this like Hugh Grant,

like is the male Julia Roberts. You know, he plays the version of himself in all these movies and you think Andrew okay, okay, continue, So he is this like bumbling English guy who owns a travel bookstore, which is a thing that used to exist when you could not only own a physical bookstore, but one that only sold one particular type of books. And it wasn't like why a fantasy romance um And one day and erstwhile movie star played by Julia Roberts stumbles into the bookstore. They well,

actually they stumble into each other. He pours coffee over her, takes her back to his apartment, and they fuck like immediately and then have this little love affair. And the only reason that movie works is because it's Julia Roberts. And you're like, oh, I believe that this isn't that this is the biggest movie star in the world, because

she's being played by the biggest movie star in the world. Well, Julia can push emotional steaks in any movie, right, It's you know, It's so I maybe haven't watched enough Hugh Grant movies. I really feel like George Looney is like the male Julia Roberts, because I think Hugh Grant gives a little more like kind of like mumblecore, kind of Emma Thompson kind of like I don't know, I mean, yeah, but you're not thinking about it's not because George Clooney

was a TV star on e Er then. Really the biggest movies he ever made were the Oceans movies, and those were like his big crossover moment. Hugh Grant was the king of rom consent. He played the same version of every character and all these rom coms, and he ruled the nine in the same way that Julia Roberts did.

And that's why, in a lot of ways, them coming together in notting Hill was the perfect marriage of the thing he did, which was star in all of these British romantic comedies that were like very smart, very quick, uh like a little sad um, and then the thing that she did, which was be the big Hollywood agastar, you know, like with the iconic head of hair and smile and laugh, and it was like on paper, the perfect marriage of those things in the movie does work

because of them, it's just not a very good movie and not a very good performance of hers um. I think also because she's not playing exactly the kind of actress she was. She's playing like a serious actress rather than Julia Roberts. It's like not as maybe complex or

maybe it's just not as Julia or something. There's also a scene where there's she goes to dinner with him and his friends and they're sitting around the table a table, all talking about why they deserve the last brownie and the way that they win the game is like they say how awful their life is, and like they all

tell their like sob stories. Um, Hugh grant sister who uses a wheelchair like says something about how she like can't have a baby or something, and then it comes around to Julie rob She's like, well, I got all you gaged because I'm famous and like my ex boyfriends sell our stories to the tablets blah blah blah. And it's like, oh no, baby, this is you actually still have a pretty nice life. And it is kind of funny because they're all like are like, okay, whatever, it's

not that bad, you know. It's like when you think about like Julia Rolls and those like this era of rom coms forget forgive me. I don't actually know all of the chronology, but like it's kind of like Aaron Brockovich like to me stands out in a sea of Julia roles because it is romantic. It is part rom com, but it's illegal drama where and she is the beating heart and like primary character, you know, like she pushed. I mean that Aaron Brockovich is probably top ten for me.

I've only seen it once. What I will say from what I remember is that I actually think that Julia's character, well, I mean, obviously Aaron Brockovitch was a real person, but the way Julia plays her, it's very similar to Vivian, the character she played in Pretty Woman, which is the sort of you know, like down on her luck, can't

get any can't get anything right, can't get any luck. Yeah, woman who like is used to being seen only as a sexual object obviously, and like it's in a much more like obvious way and Pretty Woman because she's playing a sex worker, but it is something that she like as her career progressed inn do a lot, which was

play like one of the people. Yeah, And in the kind of I guess sexiness of Julia Roberts that we're talking about in something like Aaron Brockovich or Pretty Woman, her sexiness is like I hate using this word because it sounds so loaded, but it's like non threatening. Does that even make sense. No, I get what you mean because even in so this like she's not sexy and

that blonde bob you know what I mean? Like, well, yeah, because there's the scene in Pretty and listen, pretty Woman is a perfect I I love Pretty Woman so much. The first time I ever um went out um in women's clothing. I won't say like drag because like that's not what it was. Um. The first time it was for Halloween my freshman year of college. I was Julia robertson Pretty Woman in the blonde wig. Like that's because to me that was like she was the tannacle of

feminine of like feminine beauty. To me, does that look even though she looks so much better when she takes the wig off, But that scene where she goes to the hotel with Richard Gere and she like gives him a blowjob where she's wearing that wig, it's like she's not sexy, and I actually she give him a blowing in that way. Yeah, she literally puts a pillow down on the floor and sits at his knees, And like, I think that's the point of the movie, is she

is not sexy. They're trying to communicate as much as possible that this is someone who shouldn't be a sex worker, because, like, I mean, it's obviously problematic because she's like quote unquote better than that, and there's a lot of like like it was, yes, it was literally it was made in the eighties, but it's pretty transgressive for a romantic comedy of that time to have the leading lady beat excuse me,

to have the leading lady be a sex worker. But then, the one scene that I do think is actually sexy in that movie is when she um Richard Gear has gone down to the bar in the hotel to play the piano, and Julie Roberts comes down in a bathrobe and Richard Gear asks all the guys who work at the tell to leave the room, and he lifts her up onto the piano and like opens the robe and like puts his head in her stomach and like presses her down into So it's so hot. So that's such

a good scene. I'm so erotic. It's erotic. Yeah, And and I god, I can't believe you've only seen aer Brock of wch once. I honestly feel like we could do a whole episode on erin. But you know we would have to bring Hunter Harris. I was just so about to say, like we we I wish we could, you know, pull out our Hunter Harris phone like allah, like power Puff Girls like Hunter get here right now, right now, because Hunter Hunter is you know, a noted

a scholar of Aaron brockoviciology. Um, but that movie is I think encapsulates everything that Aaron Aaron, everything that juliacy

she disappeared into shell. Um. No, everything that you know Julia does best in a movie which is like have this insurmountable gumption and and and create this engine with her face a own um and her hair, yes, and her hair and all of course Julia Roberts is the story of hair and her boobs as as Phoebe just chimed in to say, yeah, um but yeah, I I oh god, that movie Rose We have to rewatch because

it is a stunning film, amazingly written, great legal drama. Um. Have you ever have you ever in your own life how an Aaron Rockovich moment where you were fighting some sort of bizarre legal drama, any sort of like did you ever like go to get into housing law, you know, were you over squatting? Did you ever have to in your name change or something like that. I was thinking about changing my name, but I don't want to know. Changing my name was actually like a very smooth process.

It was really easy, and it does involve a lot of bureaucracy, but like it's actually the closest I came was when I went to get my name changed. So there is a requirement that you are supposed to publish your name change in a newspaper. And actually, like this is this is some t All the dolls in New York do it in the Irish Times because it's like

the cheapest way you can do it. So it's just funny for me to think that there's this like small Irish newspaper that literally only exists so trans people get published their their like name changes and it's just like

full of dead names. Oh my god. But when I when I went to um City Court to do this, what I said to the judge was I asked to have that requirement waived because at the time I was still a journalist, And what I said was, look, you know, like my name is out online and is connected with my dead name, so like they're kind of already exists

this public record. And also if something were to be published, it might have like harmful consequences for me, just because I am like on a very minor scale, like a public figure or whatever. Did they and the judge did waive the requirement so I didn't have to get it published. So I did kind of have an Aaron Brockovitch moment. I love. UM. I was mulling actually on my own question and I can't I'll just I'll be extremely vague because you know, the tea, but I can't actually like

fully talk about it. I somewhat recently, UM got a service done. And this very recently UM went to go do something, UM, who was highly recommended get a service done by from someone who came recommended by a lot of my friends. And this service was um botched for

lack of a better word, and UM it was. It was very very difficult to go through because I actually, you know, I don't believe in in our legal system and I hate bureaucracy, and I also think that like suing people is like white people behavior, and so I just had to like go to this girl and be hey, UM, what happened is not okay. And these are all the ramifications that it now has on my life months out from this experience. And I don't believe in suing people,

but I do believe injustice. And I need X, Y and Z paid for. And I got five thousand dollars. You did, I got five thousand dollars. Yes, I did. I got five thousand dollars. And I let me tell you, I had to send some email length texts in order to get it, but I got it and um um no through Zel And so there was there was a written agreement, you know, there was some kind of you know,

there was some kind of Aaron Brockovichian elements. So I felt very proud of myself though, and I also and I also did it in a way that was not cruel, right, Like I I said to this person, I was like, hey, like, I don't wish ill on you. I'm not trying to like malign your business like I you know, I just one like to be well and I want my stuff taken care of. So this is what it's going to cost. Here is And I literally sent the invoice of all of the things that I needed to pay for in

order to fix what had happened. Um yeah, good for you. I think the only the only difference between our stories and Aaron Brockovich is that she was doing this to help other people. We were doing it to help myself. Yes, but that was the beauty. It's such a it's a very satisfying ending. I won't spoil it if you've never seen Aeron Brockovich. But if you have never seen Aeron Rockovich, it's a very old movie, you can spoil it. I well, you can probably guess that she wins in the end,

But like, come on, that movie is perfect. We have to rewatch as And it also is tied to the Real Housewives franchise because Erica Gardy's husband is the Aeron Brockovich lawyer. Yes, oh my fucking god. I always forget that movies that are not very good. I watched Love recently. Girl, have you when was the last time you watched that movie? I watched it once, like very long after, in theater. I did not see it in theaters. I was not

part of the Eat, Pray, Love craze. I was the only thing I remember about it is that the food looked very good. I was basic mama, so I read the book when it came out, like I studied Italian diva like I went to Italy and I sat in the exact booth that Julia Roberts sits in in the best pizza place in Naples, and I took a picture of me laughing like Julia Roberts. You know, it's probably still on my Facebook. Um. I loved the Prey Love is on the movie, you know, was like Ryan Murrafeed

But like I forgotten Viola Davis. Isn't that movie. I totally forgot what the funk? And this is what that movie gave us is um dog Days are over by Florence. The machine was used in the trailer and that is kind of the reason why Florence blew up in the way she did. What really? Wow, I actually didn't know that. And this was also which was the year of James Franco, and James Franco was in that movie. And god, that movie just was not very good. But I do that said,

I do want to watch. I do want Ryan Murphy to direct more films. Ryan Murphy doesn't need to be doing anything else, anything more than what he's already doing. No, I think you should do films instead of TV, because I think that a contained story is his strong suit. I think like you know series, like they always get away from him because he's usually not even like working across them. Um, have you ever you pray loved? What was your bolly? Was it Berlin? Have I ever eat

pray loved slash? What it? That really just means is like, have you ever like I mean, like flown internationally with a kind of um vague existential slash romantic driven like life? Um? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I I guess I would say that, you know, like, um, the first summer I spent in Berlin, I know, but it was it was more of a um it was a snort dance fuck that yeah mine? Okay. I I studied abroad in London, and I'm very sorry for that sentence. Um I and that was probably my e pray love.

But mine was not wait what did you say, snort snort dance fuck, snort dance fuck. Mine was not snort dance fuck. It was more like eat eat social anxiety like it. But you but you went for an academic purpose, So I don't actually think that fulfills the requirement. Love is like you're abandoning your life to do something that is purely for pleasure. So let me embellish I did abandon my life. I was at a university at Indiana that I hated. I had chased my friend there, and

I you know, hated studying there. I wanted to get out as as soon as humanly possible and not spend any more time in Indiana. I was sick of most of my friends. I was sick of the curriculum, and I was like I had to un enrolled from my like university in order to take this like research class at University College London that wasn't even like you know, endorsed by like my my school. And so I really did go out of my way to like have like

a kind of find myself moment. And this was also very important probably for you as well as pre iPhone. So there's a way more like I mean, this is probably I mean I don't know if this was for you because of the drugs, but like there's so much more um stuff going on inside of you when you don't have an iPhone, Like there's so much more inner You have so much more of an inner life. You're

thinking so much more about yourself and your interiority. I mean, when I was doing the most drugs, I still had not oh okay, um so, but to that effect, when I did study abroad in London, I was is traveling every single weekend by myself. So I went to Italy by myself, I went to France by myself. I went to all these different countries, book festivals, a Robin concert, like all this different stuff, searching on my own for like the meaning of life, you know, like I was looking.

I wasn't even looking for love. I was looking for for meaning out of my life, which is like, even though this E pray love is not very good, it is why I pray love was like such a mega thing, is because it was able to tap into this like white womanhood that I unfortunately was very adjacent to, um where and it's like all these there's a whole class silver hair. Yes, no, no, no no, actually this is pre silver hair. But I had self died a strip of my bangs with bleach and so and I have black hair,

so it was like straw yellow. Yeah. So, but that I did have a straw yellow strip in a very long Rihanna esque bang because it was inspired by Rihanna and her hair at the time. Um but yeah, that was my that was my prey love. So if you were going to do and Eat Pray Love. Now what would it be? Where would you go? Very good question. Um,

my instinct is maybe to say Mexico. I would love to do a Mexico tour because I haven't properly explored a lot of different cities throughout Mexico that all of my friends say are like cultural hot spots and nightlife hot spots that I'm like always you know, been adjacent to, have like followed artists and creators on Instagram that you know makes stuff there. I feel like I have another one that maybe will come to me. What would what would you say? Well, so I actually was thinking of

going to Italy. I like was literally looking into booking a trip to Italy next month. I haven't I need to get off this continent international have not. I have not traveled internationally since pre covid Um, and I've never been to Italy. I've spent a lot of time in Europe and I have almost gone to Italy a couple of times, but I always said I didn't want to go just for a couple of days. I really wanted to do like a big Italy trip. But I actually think my Eat Pray Love is also a mom and

me a moment. I need to go to Greece. Oh, Greece would be really good. Oh I could see that for you. Like I just want to go um and forget all my responsibilities and I just want to like go travel and eat and fuck and see ruins and art and go swimming in the Aegean Ce and like you know whatever. You know, I've never been to Berlin. Maybe maybe I should. Maybe Berlin it is my eat

pray love. Yeah, but okay, this is what this. The thing is why I don't think that can be and eat prey love for you is because you will still find a way to turn that into an approximation of your life. Here. You will still find, you will find friends, you will network, you will check your email, you will see all these caustle. I'll be there and probably the same week that a bunch of drag friends are there. I I think for you to do a true e pray love, you need to go somewhere where you don't

know anyone and just figure it out. I agree, And you should throw your iPhone into the ocean. I'm not going to do that, because then how would I go on TikTok and find, you know, like the best place to go for dinner or whatever. Um, okay, so zooming out of this Julia convo, like what is what is

Julia now? Like I feel like she's among these celebrities that are in press junkets being like there are no more stars anymore, like when Jennifer Aniston said in that a lower intervition that there and like I said before, that's the reason why Ticket to Paradise, which we will saw wasn't very good but still was a huge, huge commercial hit, because those are the last movie stars. Like can you name one, like a new IFH celebrity who is a movie star? No? You can't. Well, I just

don't think. I mean, I I think there are tons of um new celebrities that are, yes, but but a celebrity is different than a movie star. I do think that there are people that come into this generation of movies and yeah, I would absolutely say they are movie stars, but they're not going to be movie stars like Julie

Roberts ever again. And I think that that's part of Like I think it's like I personally like mourn this era of movie stars, but also know that like pop culture written large, especially in movies is always shifting into something that kind of it can reference the past, but

it's never gonna go backwards. And so what I'm kind of thinking about, and maybe you can like noodle on it with me, is like, if we can never get Julia Roberts again, because we can't, like what, who are the new people that inhabit the same um spaces as Julia that make us feel the way Julia makes us feel on screen, Like I'm trying to think of, like, well, it's also about a business thing, because the thing about the movie star is that like why they exist and

why they're they don't exist anymore, is a movie star as someone who can sell them a movie purely by being in it. That's why Ticket to Paradise was such a huge success, not because I had like an interesting premise or a good trailer or anything. It was Julia Roberts was in it, Cluney was in it. People were

buying tickets, That's it. So that's why I think, like the closest thing we have to a movie star now who's like currently making movies would be someone like the rock I don't know, not interesting, not even like if you think about, like what are the biggest movies now Marvel movies. None of the people in them are movie stars, you were not like what movies outside of Thor is Chris Helm's worth making or Paul Rudd. They are not selling movies on their name alone. They're part of a machine.

We're actually them as people are secondary to the characters they're playing. Like I would argue that the famous person is not Chris Hemsworth, it's Thor and he is part of a machine. Even someone like Chris Evans, who like yes, has done things like knives out like he is famous because of his proximity to the franchises he stars in. Yeah, I think the Rock. I think the Rock, and like

this like Marvel Universe thing is like totally accurate. I also think that maybe in a different version of this idea, I think part of the stars that could maybe do something that Julia does are the ones that are like as not online as possible. And I think that honestly, you know, this is stupid, but like Timothy shelle may or like or like Florence Welch, Florence Welch, Florence Pew are like I mean, now that she's had that, don't

worry Darling Junkett. It's like that the mysticism has gone now, but like Florence Pugh could have been that girl, you know, like they're are just that are classically like there. Maybe what I'm trying to say, because I don't really know if what I'm saying is accurate, but it's like there's a kind of attention to acting and everything they do and a focus on the acting that you know protects them because they're not on social that much, and so we're able to bring our opinion of how much we

love this celebrity, like a Timothy. It's like I'm going to go see a Timothy movie no matter what. That's not necessarily true, but there are a lot of people where that is true for them. That's kind of maybe it. I don't know, I do. I do think someone like Timothy is the closest thing we have to a contemporary

movie star. But I do think you're right and that social media um keeps us from being able to abstruct the person from the persona and or or maybe there is a lack of I mean, it's funny because we were talking about this in our episode with Harry Enough. There is a lack of mystery around these celebrities. And I think that's why we don't have the movie star of at all, because Julia in her heyday felt larger than life in a way that celebrities simply aren't now.

And but even though Julia was a huge tabloid figure, but her she only existed to us either in the films we were seeing, or on the red carpets, on the cover of magazines, or in the tabloids where we were getting the most sensationalized parts of her personal life, like Aloe Vera, which I think I told you about on the podcast before. Okay, so this is I mean, like very juicy um celebrity celebrity tabloid gossip. So Julia Roberts um fell in love with this guy who was married.

I think he was maybe like a director, like worked on a film or something that she worked on, and he was married to this woman named Vera, and Vera would not divorce him. And so Julia Roberts went out in public wearing a T shirt that she had made herself on which she wrote a low She wrote al Vera. But it was like she was saying a low Verra, like like Vera was a low person or it was just like it was like stupid, but it was also just like, oh my god, Like Julia Roberts is kind

of a mean person. There actually, how are several stories about her having like run ins with the paparazzi where she has told them off and like, which we won't entertain. Yeah, I mean that's not being that's not being mean, Like I'm sure, I'm sure like being Julia Roberts comes with so much and the way she's hounded by the press and has been for almost her entire adult life, like

will never be able to understand that. But what I'm saying is that Julia Roberts is not someone who ever gave unfiltered access to her life in the way that celebrities kind of have to do now, and so because of that, I think that turned her into a bigger and more mysterious and more magnetic figure that was like so separate from us in a way that celebrities now like think they need to be super connected to their fans, and maybe they do, But you know, Timothy Shalamay, who

is I do think you're right, like the closest thing we have currently to and sendea, but like they still are they have social media and Mary there maybe not very online, but because they're definitely I think Zindia is an elusive Timothy is elusive, but they're definitely online. They're definitely online, I mean, and they're social media like truly only exists as a way to promote their projects. But there's still something where like you you can reply to

one of Timothy's instagrams. He's never going to see it, but you can still do it. And like you can get Julia Roberts would never you could never get you. You can't. You can't engage with her. That is that is it. It's you. I mean, it's not even that it would ruin it. It's like you. It's not possible. It's not, it never has been, it never will be.

You were, you will. The closest you could ever come to Julia Roberts is like if you went to the premiere of one of her movies and stood on the side of a barricade and watched her walk and screamed her. That's the closest you would ever get. Timothy Sham I've hugged him twice, Okay, say that you always say that because I have and I will and I will continue, I will get a third hug in, and when it happens,

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