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that would be um great to know. I'm sure our guest today would really appreciate thoughts, since they were famously Um maulled by wolves on famous showtimes hit series yellow jocket. Oh my God, rose are like Fan girling has, like you know, manifested, has tram infested into something. That means that someone on a show that we watch listen. We watched that, we watch and have speculated a very embarrassingly spewed conspiracy theory. And yet and then we found out

that they listen. Yes, so we found out that LIV HOUSTON, Um from yellow jackets, is a fan of the pod, is a virgin. So of course we had to get them on to talk all about sailor moon but also, like many other things, this is a very tangenty episode. We're going to talk about ever after. We're going to talk about Florence and the machine. We're going to talk

about the return of Um Indie sleeves, Lord of the Rings. Yeah, we really, we really went up, down around and UH, like the plane crashed in this episode and we had were stuck in the wilderness and had to figure it out. And, much like the ribbons in the transformation sequences of sailor moon, we really spun all the way out, because this is like a virgin, the show where we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm rose Damo and I'm Fran Toronto,

Fighting Evil Light, love by day light. Never run from a real fight. She is the one named sailor or. They are the one named sailor. You know what? I've been thinking about? Getting into real estate? Um, no, no, no, no, no, no, you have not. That's just your that is a very fake segue into the next conversation, but we on the podcast have to say that we at like a virgin, do not believe in Um, the autonomy of landlords, and hopefully we'll never become landlord, brand Lord, Frand Lord and Lord.

I will not. Okay, anyways, you were you were starting a very clunky segue into our first discussion topic. Do you want to go? Do you want to go in? Yeah, you know, the for the past week, I would say, all I've been thinking about on a loop is one thing and that is the extreme television excellence that is selling the C. It is. I mean there are only

like six or eight episodes in this first season. It was very short and I honestly felt that the ending was kind of abrupt and I when like the thing ended and it was like other titles to watch, I was like that's the end of the season. I thought there would be another episode, and I get you know, I'm sure with the way that that selling sunset has been rolling out like, there's probably another season coming like pretty soon and they're saving like the rest of the

drama for it. But Fund selling the O C, the main drama that happens at the end of the season is everyone's mad about Kayla trying to make out with tyler and her being slut shamed by some of the girls for it. I think some deservedly so, because she did try to hook up with her married co worker. She was asking for it, is what is what you

were saying. I'm not saying she was asking for I'm not saying she should have been slut shamed, but I think the false equivalency that the two Alex has made that her doing that was the same thing as the nosy thing, the girl's kissing his nose. It's not the same thing. Like that's obviously like like a sort of weird but like playful thing between co workers, and a woman earnestly trying to get her married coworker to hook

up with her is slightly different. Yeah, it's not the same thing, but it is a double standard and I still am, by the finale, on team Kayla, even though I think Kayla kind of sucks. Actually, I'm on team Tyler because, you know, no, no, no, I actually think he's like the most boring looking, kind of Fart faced guy in the whole cast. I don't understand he's so sec he's the hottest one. I disagree. I don't understand why he is like the pinnacle of attractiveness in this

show because he virtually has no personality. But he did interject. Doesn't need one, true, but he did interject and cut through the bullshit in a very severe way that I thought was effective and wonderful, because this is why we need men. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I actually this is a tangent, if we can hot between the two.

This is something that also happened in the most recent season of real housewives of Beverly Hills, which you haven't watched yet, I don't think, because I'm kind of like five episodes behind, because I think it's bad. You've fallen off a little bit. Let me tell you, they're an

aspen and it's getting really good. I won't spoil it for the virgins, but there is a moment where one of the most heated arguments ever is happening between two of the housewives and Maurice CEO Steps in in an unprecedented intervention and he seriously, like he throws like a bucket of water on the tension, like it was like such just so bring effect, and it's very similar to how tyler like walks and it's like hey, I know there's a reality TV show happening, but actually, like real life,

like humans, like we don't need to be doing this right now. Um, it's kind of antithetical to like reality TV show like ethos, Um, but did you like this most recent episode of brings the power? I didn't okay, tell me why. I think what happened when I watched the first three episodes is like I got you know,

I was I was on a roll with it. I was like really experiencing it all as a whole, as an h o l e and as a w h o l M. I was experiencing it as a whole because I am a whole and it's my experience and I still there's still a lot that's working for me. The way it's shot is beautiful, the music is beautiful, the stuff with L Rond and Doran is really working for me. And decided the action sequences and the action sequences.

It could not be more clear that L Ron, Duran and DIESEA are working their way towards becoming a poly fuel Um. But it is kind of boring and I really started to see what you were talking about about the costumes this week. Sorry, and really it really hit home when I finally started watching House of the Dragon, which I had been hesitant to watch a because I was so burned by the end of game of thrones and also be I just wanted to wait until the whole season was out and watch it all at once.

But on finding out that you had watched an episode, I was like, okay, I gotta and looking at the show side by side and watching. I actually watched house of the dragon right after I watched the new episode of rings. The production value and costumes on house of the drag and are infinitely better than there are in rings of power. I think rings of power is shot more cinematically and it's more kind of lush and beautiful,

and that is by design. House of the Dragon is much darker in tone and also like literally visually darker, but it just looks better. You know, I I experienced something of the same and I have some lingering thoughts off of like last week's chat about the rings of

Power Dichotomy. And one of the things in terms of like the visuals that I think must be acknowledged is like, yes, like when the Lord of the Rings trilogy was like shooting their movies, they were using the best equipment and the best cameras humanly possible, but it was still so long ago that there's this like lovely little gauge and blur that's like on everything, and I think that like now that we're watching rings of power with like the

highest deft Hamera, is known to man. It's like I when I don't want to see the wig line, you know what I mean, like I don't want seriously like put the blacks making cameras worse. You know what? Well, movies used to be shot in a way where there was still the ability to have sort of this like

vassiline haze over everything, something left to the imagination. Yeah, and now we don't have that and you either find a way to work around it or you don't, and I think unfortunately, rings of power hasn't, and it's what I'm really noticing. is like it's the wide shots that are beautiful, it's the landscapes, but as soon as you zoom in a little too far on anything, it's clocky t shop, Mama, it's cocky t shop, and you know, I wanted to say that. And rings the power is

clocky and House of the Dragon's kind of unclockable. I'm clockable. And you know, speaking of the wide shot and visuals, action sequences, when, Um, in the first scene of rings of power, when the Regent Queen is, you know, having that dream that our city is flooding, that epic so incredible, and then snap, it's actually a dream. And it's not real.

And I was like wait, actually, like I was kind of waiting for the show to have steaks like that and for like something that I thought about when I did the same thing that you did, watching the most recent episode of House of Dragon and then jumping over to rings of power, was that the steaks of haven't watched the most recent I won't Dragon. I won't spoil the most recent episode. I'm just speaking generally about it. The steaks of House of Dragon are very human and

very concrete. It's like you fucked this person, this person sucked that person, this person wants to kill this person, raphile, this person and murderer. Yes, and the game of thrones has always been a political drama, and that is the thing that really drew people to it when the show started and why it spawned this craze is for fantasy.

That directly led to US having the rings of power, which is it turned high fantasy into something that people who watched shows like the Sopranos Could Watch and engage with and understand, because it is very human and it's about people with power behaving badly. Um, like, especially the first season of game of thrones, like it is kind

of like the Sopranos with dragons. House of the Dragon isn't even smaller story than game of thrones, because game of thrones had a Zombie Apocalypse and like the rebirth of dragons into the world and so many characters, yes, so many characters spanning across multiple continents, and House of the Dragon is actually literally just about one family and all of their political intrigue, with like a couple different side stories, like the whole stuff that's going on in

the stepstones. But it is by design much smaller and, I think, easier to grasp and the rings of power is just because we know what it's all leading towards and because of how many characters there are and locations there are, even though I think it does a good job of helping you figure out who they are and where they are, it is just so much heavier and it's so big that it's hard to wrap your brain around.

And it's like I'm watching Galadriel do all this stuff and I think it would be easy to be like why she's so pissed, like what? Why she's like I kind of sometimes feel like she's and I think this is somewhat by design, like you're supposed to understand that this is someone who's like playing for d chest and looking a thousand moves ahead and no one else is

on her level. But she still has to share scenes with these people and it's just like it's I don't know it, especially in this episode, it like wasn't really working for me. And also her goal is not becoming more concrete. The stakes are not getting higher, for it's one no, and it's like, at the end of the day, Gladuel is just a war hawk, like a war Hawk with like really personal interests, and I like that her character is flawed in that way. But like, I don't know,

I just I I wish that she was uglier. I wanted her to be ugly. I want her to get in her emotions. Well, I want her to fuck this episode gave her a new person that she had amazing chemistry with, which was the Queen region. I wanted them to kiss. Well, now that they're going to travel together, well, they should hook up, but they never will. Nothing Gay will ever happen on the rings of power. I loved the Dwarf Song Girl so good, stunning. I rewound. She

sounded great. I wonder if that's her real voice? I wonder, I'm I would imagine. Yea, I bet you I. It seems. It was so beautiful and it was something we dropped the album seriously and we've never seen a song like that in like the Lord of the Rings Lore. It felt so seamless in the world of dwarves Um something that I just like little little hanging lingering notes from the episode. I thought it was really cool that there

was like a few seconds where we saw an ORC burial. Um. I don't know if you remember this, but like humanized the ORCs a little bit and it's the first time we've ever seen like the other side of like ORC life, beyond like them, you know, bickering or getting mad at each other. You know what I do? You think absolutely they've Um. Yeah, we really honestly, I wish the show would be more should I know you will Um. But yeah, let's talk a little bit more about the House of

the Dragon. So you did not watch game of thrones, right? I actually I watched all of it. Um. But yes, but watched is a generous term to use in describing the fact that I did, yes, sit in front of the TV as every single episode did play. But did I retain everything in the game of Thrones Universe? No, no, I did not. Okay, did you read the game of thrones books? No, I have not read any of that. Now, okay,

I've read all. I've read all the game of thrones books and I read not the entirety of fire and blood, which is the book of Targarian history that George R Martin wrote, and the story that House of the Dragon is based on is one of the chapters in that book and I think it's really interesting watching it because the way that it's written in the book is like it's as if, I mean, fucking George R Martin, like he can't get these last two books out, but he

literally wrote a whole book that is like fake accounts of a fake family in his fantasy series. So the the way that Hustle the Dragon, that story of this targarian civil war, like that's what this is building to. It's told in this book as if like it's a history book and these are the accounts of people who were there, and so it's not like a story, like there's no dialog, it's a history. So I've watched the first three episodes. What I like is acting is great.

I think the girl who plays young re Neerer, I just call her. I just call her mini Denis. Who knows what any of their names are? She's she's a great actress. Um, I wish she and her little friend who fucked her dad hooked up, because they obviously how did vibe the as we said, the costumes are amazing. The C G I is really good. I think the Dragons Look Matt Smith Wonderful. Matt Smith is so good,

perfect the universe. The actress who plays the the Queen who never was, you know, the Queen who got passed over for her cousin. I think, yeah, her cousin. She's amazing and needs more to do. I love her and her husband. Um, it's all like all the parts are working. For me, some of the stuff that isn't is I think it just moves too fast, like it's so much happens, and I understand that's because we're dealing with a story

that unfolds across a lot of time. We're going to get older versions of some of the younger actors and future episodes. I just think like I was watching the first episode and I felt like it should have ended with the baby dying and that whole storyline should have been stretched out over multiple episodes, but things are presented and then resolved pretty quickly. And also VI Serra's the king, is like kind of too nice. I think he should be.

Like obviously he makes like fucked up decisions, like deciding to kill his wife so that his baby could love, you know, just a mile, just just that little decision about killing his wife, Um marrying his daughter's best friend. But also, like he for game of thrones, especially what we're judging against, game of thrones, and like people who did really terrible things for power. Like for the most part he kind of like tries to do good things, like he tries to bond with his daughter and like,

I don't know, I just think that. I just thought that was interesting. It's like there's some people who were acting like somewhat rationally, and I think it's probably to contrast that against how evil things are going to get eventually. Leave. Also, Sir Christen Cole, so hot. Yeah, that's actually the other thing you know about House of Dragon that I appreciate is that the show's depiction and idea of evil is so concrete and, like, you know, it's like pedophiles and

murderers and traders and like it's right there in your face. Um, even if it's complex, it's right there in your face. And like we toil keen, it's like the franchise is like idea of evil is so much more amorphous and abstract and, Um, I don't know, I I it's capital e evil, you know, capital instead of, you know, human evil. Yes, exactly, and and I don't mind that. It moves fast, but I,

you know, have a short attention span. One thing I really need is that I need the Targarians to have bleached brows, because it's not it doesn't make sense that they're all famously platinum lady Gaga blaw but have dark eyebrows. I I also feel like, you know, these these these blonde dreads, these silver dreads, they look good on some and not good on others. And and it's not. It's not an issue with the hair, it's an issue with

the WIG. is a hat is sitting but on the skull, and I'm like, just like like the little girl who they tried to marry off to the king and her like huge head of white curls is like Mama Mama and the wigs are better on the House of the Dragon Than They are in rings of power. I will say that, and something I think about constantly with any fantasy show, is they did not have indoor plumbing. It must smell rotten up in there. Yeah, yeah, it definitely does.

They all smell bad, have disgusting teeth. Um. Another good thing I'll say for the House of the Dragon is it's obviously very aware of a lot of the criticism that was leveled at game of thrones about how it you women, the nudity of women and the sexual violence, Um, and kind of just violence in general, and is not leaning into them as much and I think actually the showrunners have said that they will not do that the

way the game of thrones did, which is great. You know, the bars on the floor, so so happy to see that. The violence also feels like it it's a little tapered, like it's still really violent and I don't think it's necessarily a huge improvement. But like they aren't showing h the way these bodies are being mangled as much like

they're showing like some restraint, which I apprear. I mean, you know the birthing scene and the sort of like forced c section in the first episode was hard to watch, but I just kept thinking this would have been so much corrier on game of thront, like you would have seen her pussy on game of throne and you would have watched them tear the baby out of her girl.

Truly like watching Silomon as a kid. I remember feeling like palpable envy with like the transformation sequences, where I was like, Oh, I will never have that happen, like I will never feel that like this sort of like spinning around in a liminal space and lights of shining. It's like there's no way for me to recreate that

in real life. The socks. What's the closest you've ever gotten? Um, it's like, I don't think I have yet, but what I the closest thing I imagined, which is also something I felt after seeing like the two thousand and six live action paid a Pan, which is just like I just want, I want to do something where I'm on wires, like I just I want to fly around somewhere. Um,

I used to do aerial silks. That so I when I was like nineteen, eighteen, I, Um, I got really into Arial Silks for a couple of years and I got pretty good at it, but then I started traveling for work more and you cannot take it with you. Not a pordable skill set, so I sort of let it fall to the wayside. But that was probably the closest thing in real life to like a magical girl trans I loved it. I really love uh, not seriously, no, I mean we were always practicing with Matt S underneathus

and stuff. They like. They don't let you up there with nothing until you could do it for a living. Basically, is it real silk or is it like a polly blend? I'm sure it's a poly blend. Like it's stretchy. It's like when you try to buy silk pillow cases on Amazon, like pcent polyester. It's like, okay, babe, this is not doing what you think it's doing. I love to sweat.

I love to do it. The aerial silks really are exactly like sailor when transformations, like they're literal silk ribbons that like wrap around them like when they transform, but like the transformation sequences, like there is something about that that you attached to as a kid, because I also of like Um, they were being gay. Yeah, it's it's most like I just have, you know, my my cultural yeah, it's actually it's just like a screen and like a

high pitched, like beeping sound. It's like listening to Aba. It's just like it's different. There's like I remember being like, I don't know, like before pre middle school, so maybe like tween preteen vibes, like going to blockbuster and getting like this vhs tapes that have like eight episodes on

them or something like that. At a time. You would watch like six to eight episodes and that was all you could get and I would like there were only two at blockbuster and just rewatched those like sixteen episodes like over and over again. But there's something about the transformation sequences that just like really captures your imagination and also just like trans like you know what I mean, like it's very just like I just want to be

something else. But, you know, retroactively. It is kind of hilarious that every time they fight someone, like the bad guys, have to like wait seven for them to like chance. They're like, Oh my God man, it's quite polite. It's like now she's doing a number guys. Just wait, just wait, just wait. So did you first discover sailor moon? WAS THAT ON TV? It was like a Saturday morning. It worked. But yeah, so, I so. I mean it came out into Um, but I saw it in like two thousand

and one. I think it was two thousand and one, because I think I was in kindergarten Um, and it was like, for for whatever reason at that time on I don't remember which channel, but like public TV in Australia in the mornings, like Um, Dragon Ball Z and sailor moon would air back to back and so my older brother and I would wake up and watch them both Um, either on the weekend or before going to school,

I don't remember. So I was like five, and could you ask for a better age to get really into sailor moon and it it really it resonated with not just me but like a lot of kids in my grade. Like we would play sailor moon like imagine ARY Games together at school for years. Like my like sailor mercury was my first crush, unlike any fictional character ever was sailor mercury. Okay, so sailor mercury was your crush. Which one of them did you want to be? It is

a different question and I don't. I'm sure I was trying to remember like when my friends and I played sailor moon at school. It's like who, who was who? And I don't remember. I don't remember who was who. I don't remember if we took turns or if we like made up our own if it was like we've just learned how many planets there are, what the moons of the planets are, so we're gonna be our own

sailor scouts. I think. I think it changed, Um, but I remember vividly being like in love with sailor mercury. She's hot. I mean they're all hot. Oh yeah, sailor mercury, though, is very like mean mommy, like sexy, mean mommy, like very, like hot, like them top kind of vibes. Yeah, and she's like she's really smart and like I liked her. Power is the best. And it was that true, like sort of Um, pre aware gay kids thing of like, no, I just really like her. I just think she's great.

It's it's not important. Which one did you want to be? I also don't remember who was your favorite. I'm sure, like if we were, I also like used to play like Sailorman as a kid or like and you would kind of Duke it out for like who's who. But I'm sure I was like I'm going to be sailor Pluto like this, like, was there a sailor pluto? Ever? I'm sure it was little right. Was Younger? No, that's

Chimby Moon, who was so fucking annoying. There's that one arc where she gets like aged up and she's evil and she's in like the all black outfit and it's very fierce. I don't know if there was a sailor Pluto. I think I just wanted to be sailor Pluto because I thought that was cool. But this was back when Pluto was a planet and it's I'm trying to remember now whether my friends and I also imagine the sailor Pluto because we were trying to take the planets off,

or if there actually was one. But you know, in that era, playing power rangers was also a huge thing, but everyone just wanted to be the Red Ranger. And the thing about, like, you know, choosing power rangers is like none of the power rangers have any really distinct character or personality traits, like you just kind of pick your favorite color and that's the one thing. Well, I wanted to be the pink ranger. Obviously, Kimberly Kimberly, the

most nineties name possible. Yeah, Kimberly. God, where all the Kimberly? Kimberly and Danielle. Those were like the nineties names speaking up. Ever after, Daniel de barback, come on, it is it's probably like one of the most important movies of my time.

It's one of my favorite films, and it's like it's so bizarre now to like think about like being nine and really loving that movie and then when I when I worked on Santa Clarita Diet, I was like, wow, if only I could go back to me at nine and say, like, you're going to work with real which is now something I can also say about Melanie Lynskey in that Oh my God, and you just okay, Angelica Houston's next. Then we'll get you with Richard O'Brien. Yes, please. Um,

who else is? And the other evil step sister and Houston should be on yellow jackets. That would be sick. Oh my God, I just got goose bumps. Um, yeah, ever after, truly incredible. Another thing that captures the imagination of like transformation. Yeah, just like I'm going to be one upped like and get my full glamp. And it's also very class conscious. I liked that. It was like it was like a fairy tale movie and a period pace at the same time, like it took Cinderella very seriously. Yes,

I appreciate it. And it was also like Leonardo Da Vinci. I couldn't get enough of that. Was Not who could have been Gayer in the movie? Definitely he was. He was because he, you know, he was sucking in fucking. Definitely sucking and fucking. Um. Okay, my favorite sailor scout with sailor Venus, because I liked that in the lore of the show she was like famous. Oh Yeah, wait, Tom I don't remember that. There was this whole thing

with like Sailor v right at the beginning. Yeah, and like and like, Um, you know, Serena was like obsessed with her and then she came to school and then was also one of the sailor scouts. Okay, here's the things. Like I don't really remember a lot of the plot specifics of sailor moon because it's not really about that. It's more about vibes. When it's so interesting too because like at the time for us there were there were a couple of different versions of it. Like I like

it's it's on Hulu now. So, like last night I like went on and watched a couple of episodes to like remind myself of the structure in the the show, because I was like, wait, I'm not six, do I remember what happens? Um, and they have like the they have a subtitled version and then like a dubbed version. Um, but the dubbed version is not the English version that

was airing when we were younger. Yeah, like it's uh, it's just like a a dial translation of the Japanese version, but the English version that was on when we younga was like completely different. Full Liberty is taken. Yeah, like

re edited, like a lot of things, Americanized. Plot details changed well, and they made the gay characters and you're like, well, these cousins are really close, aren't and like the English opening titles, Um, that we remember a completely different like the fighting evil by Moonlight Song and the animation that goes with it is not the same at all. It would be cheating, because I looked it up last night. I do know by heart it's a good song. It's so good. I mean the guitar riff. Yeah, yeah, its

there actually has to be. There should be a contemporary pop star that covers that for our generation. Who would you want to cover it? I mean, I don't know why, but I immediately thought of Jojo cat, but she's kind of covering a lot of things, like she covered. would like a Miley Cyrus like rock cover. Oh, when you said plastic cards, I immediately thought marina and the dind Mari would I mean marina is in certain eras has been a little sailor Mooney, like I would say fruit

is kind of sailor moon vibes. I mean maybe just because of like the Skut and the boots, but I think Ariana would do a good job. Yeah, but I don't know that I would love her version the most, although I was listening to sweetener on my way here. Often want to do yeah, but it would be I mean actually we were also talking about Florence before Florence. Laurence would be insane. Would turn into like a funeral, dirty tambourines and like the drum, like that bit of

the Charlie's Angel Song where Lana like makes everything. Yeah, yeah, she really killed the VIBE. Florence would make a great sailor moon villain. Oh my God, well, Queen Beryl. Queen Beryl is Florence a little bit like Beryl is. Also, we're talking about hot mommy, Mommy Vibes. Queen Beryl will step on you absolutely and you will ask her for more for the virgins. Do you want to explain who

Queen Beryl is? She's like she's the O G Sailor Moon Villain and she has like this big, like flowing purple dress and like redhead down to her waist and she's mean and she's a she and she, yeah, she is Florence. Florence. Could play her in the sailor moon live action. Okay, sailer Moon live action film. But but I don't know that could ever happened, because how could they do the transformation sequences right? No, would be disappointed.

Let's let's let's think imaginatively, let's let's know. Okay, because in thirty years, when C G I has progressed enough to the point where they can make it happen, well, yeah, we could do like a ray visit of some old school practical like whatever they were doing for Barbarella, but like space Barrella. Oh my God, I have never actually watched that movie, like all the way through. You would love it. Yeah, I've also never seen it. We should

do a Jane Fonda episode. But here's the thing. If Florence is the villain and you're I'm going to say sailor Urinus, because the episode that I watched a prep for this show was the episode where Haruka's kind of like introduced as a character and they're introduced as a boy in disguise and all of the sailors have like an immediate crush on them and I think the creator of sailor moon was like on the record being like this sailor's a boy and a girl, and then like

there were moments it was clarified, or like there were arguments about it or whatever, but like it's full like you don't know what gender I am, but you're hot for me and therefore you're gay. Like that is like the vibe. That's quite explicit and purposeful. Yeah, okay, we can voice the cats. I'm a Luna. It's honestly kind of sad how accurate that is, like, I think in

any animation. If I ever if I ever get into voice that we're acting, there'll be like, okay, you're the gay annoying cat like and we'll we'll still do some kind of like motion capture work on set where they like it will be giving dots. It'll be the DOTS on the face. No, no, not just the face, girl, full gollumn like green screen, like yeah, or like Bennett's cumberbatcha smelled an forgot about that. Yeah, I did. I mean I did go to cats school at the junket

for the cats musical in London. So I did learn how to move like a cat. See, everything's pulling into place for the preparation today. Were you at theater, kid, or anything like that? What productions did this? This is an unsafe space, but you know, like I, it's to the extent that you imagine. Yes, absolutely, one percent, like I I did. I did drama in high school, obviously,

but not only that. Like where I learned how to be an actor is through doing like workshops and plays with a local theater company in my hometown from like fourteen and up. Um, I was. I was brutus and Julius Seeson my final year of high school. No, yeah, yeah, it was. It was fun, Um, and I oh, I loved it. I loved every second of it. But yeah, like that's theater stuff like lights up my brain like Um, firework, and all of us are recovering the kids in one

way or another. That's just what being queer is pretty much. Well, do you still have the same like love of theater you like, or is it more of like a nostalgic no, I love it. Yeah, I miss what's your role? I Beatrice, and much to do about nothing. Oh, that's good, great answer. Yeah, I really want to gets I don't remember the plot. So Beatrice is, Um, is funny and like quite bold and quite self possessed and much as you about nothing. Is is about like a couple of things. But, um,

it's my favorite love story in Shakespeare. There's like Beatrice and benedict who like fight like like ostensibly do not get on. But they don't get on because they have history and I've known each other for a long time and like a really good at pissing each other off, which of course means that like that turns into banter and then they have been in love the whole time and it's wonderful. It's like, Oh, the person you've known forever who, like, annoys the ship out of you. You

know what? That does a lot for me. Um, it's a great play. You Love Shakespeare? Yes, a lot. I also love Shakespeare, as we have talked about, your favorite play. It is. It's my favorite play of his. Rose do remind me of yours. Okay, I go back and forth between amid summer night's dream and the tempest, my two favorites, and like it kind of depends on the vibe. Like I do like that the tempest is like weird and sad and that it's like the last. It's quite melancholy.

But I mean midsummer is just like. Have you seen the national theater live recording of the production of midsummer that gwendoline Christie's in? So they so she plays Um Titania, but they swapped to Tanya and Oberon's roles in the play. She Fox with him. Think is beyonce's love on top in a really good way. It's awesome. Okay, crushes yours with sailor mercury, mine with Tuxedo mask. What can I say?

And Queen Beryl, and this, this should have tipped me off as to like my whole deal earlier on, I think. But like, even as a kid watching sailor moon, every time Tuxedo masks showed up, I was always like who's this guy? Get him out of here, like it's go away. I was always so annoyed whenever he would show up. He is pretty annoying and like all he does is neg yeah, sailor moon, he's mean. Yeah, and isn't like he's like older or something. She's a textually fourteen. Yes,

it's one of the first things she said. She's fourteen, loves meatballs or has meat. She's a cry baby. Yeah, she's a fourteen year old. And he's like did they ever say, like what? Do you ever really find out what his whole deal is? I never paid attention. No, I mean you find out that they are like reincarnated

lovers from the moon. Well, that's the whole thing. Is that like Serena or like Osagi, if you know, the original is like was the queen of this like of the moon or like some other magical planet, Princess empress something, and then she sent herself and all of the sailor scouts to Earth to be reborn and Tuxedo mask as well, yeah, to be reborn to fight monsters, question marks. The laure is a little hazy in parts. Maybe monsters aliens, not

really sure. I always liked, too, that the monsters would were genuinely quite scary, very scary, and also extremely gay. They were always really gay, very, very powerful, very like vividly drawn, like the like. The weapons they carried were always pretty intense, like silo moon is sort of like fluffy and fun, but also the stakes were quite real, you know, which I always liked. It always felt like they defeated the monsters like faster than it actually took

them to transforms. Yeah, like half of the episode was kind of teenage hijinks, then another of the episode was them all transforming five percent with them defeating the villain, and then was like Tuxedo mask being a pedophile. That is the mathematical equation of every sailor moon episode. I watched them. I like watching the pilot US night. I was like, Oh, this is buffy. It is literally a buffy. Are you a buffy? Yeah, well, I haven't seen the

whole thing. I think I've seen I think I stopped halfway through season four, but I've seen the musical episode okay, so like through Cultural Osmosis, yes, and then the chunks about season four is really hard to get through. It was rough, but the end of it is really good, and then season five is great, season six is great. Four, or is there too much missing? I mean you do kind of need the context. But the thing with like TV shows of that era is that the seasons have

so many episodes. Well, that, I think, was part of the barrier for me. I was like, Oh God, every season. Yeah, and they're all an hour long. But but I do like that because it gives them the leeway to do these like little weird one off episodes, stuff that's just character stuff exactly, which, you know, like in the era of like ten episode TV series, like you don't get as much of ever. Ever, again, I didn't miss it. I miss like a monster of the week or like

a bottle episode. I love a bottle episode. I lovesode two. I camember the last time I watched like something contemporary. That was like a bottle episode, like the last thing I can think. I was like girls. You know, there was a bottle episode in Dear White People that I remember really liking. I didn't watch that, Um Sandman to a bottle episode. Another reason for you to watch I

will watch it. I feel like sailor moon was like the primordial like Heroin Bimbo, you know what I mean, like came before buffy in the like I'm hot, but I also can kick ass and like sometimes I'm a little dizzy, but like don't underestimate me. is like kind of the buffy sailor moon alignment question mark. Totally agree, disagree with I mean that's the whole idea. There's a real threat there, for sure. I'm trying to think of

other folks that like fit into that archetype. Wa. Yes, yeah, Um, I guess like you see it more now, because that is more of an archetype. Now. I wonder if the power puff girls pilot would have done that. What I would like to see it. How many would this is like the fourth reboot and like the last like five years, but this was the live action one. There's a live action there was supposed to be pilot. Shot the pilot twice,

but I don't know. They like make cancel level pilots look but I remember, I remember feeling I'm like just really just shows a pilot. Yeah, I want to see it because we saw all the Paparazzi photos of them on wires and stuff. I haven't seen this at all. Yeah, Cameron, Karen and then I I don't remember. I think she was bubbles. Naturally, who else would be? Who was playing him? Not Billy Porter. Tell us who was playing him? Darna. They probably didn't get that far into it, so that

would be I have to play him. Which powerpuff girl are you? Oh, which one is a green one? Buttercut also mean mommy. I I feel that I am also spiritually a buttercup. Buttercup, I'm blossom. Unfortunately. Why Sad? What's because I'm always the one, the logistical one. I'm always the one that's like you guys, let's get it together, we have like these things to get done. I'm not. You are kind of a bubble. I am kind of

so that's the thing. Is Like I am bubbles, I'm an air had, I'm late to things, I'm constantly forgetting ship, but for some reason people make me the blossom and every friend. Where do you make yourself? Well, if no one else is gonna like you, know buy you're going to see. It's like it's self enforcing. Yeah, it's like okay, I guess all research Airbnbs, you know what I mean.

But it's true that if you're in a group and someone is really leaning into their their bubbles energy or their buttercup energy, you do by defaults become on the calendar, by silent decision making. Yeah, figure out the train times. Um, pop off girls. I watched a little bit, but I remember not attaching to it in the same way, I think because I didn't love the animation style. Yeah, it's

very Hannah Barbara. Is that what that era of Cartoonoo do? Oh, I mean just the era of cartoons, the cartoon cartoon like cartoon networking, like like Um, Samurai Joe, Johnny, Smuri, Smuri, Samurai Jack, Samurai and Johnny Bravo. Yes, and I've seen a lot of Fan Art of Samurai Jack and Johnny Bravo Kissing, kissing, not just you. I wanted. I wanted the power off girls to have hands. I was like, how are they holding? That is so disturbing. Cartoons don't

have hands. Yeah, Um, but yeah, the hard line of the animation styles of area of the time and I loved the animation style of sailor moon so much so it was really beautiful. It's like being really young watching it being like Oh, this like just fucking rules, this is gorgeous. In the Pantheon of gender non specific kind of protagonists are like very like envy protagonists, like all of the studio Ghibli like heart throbs, are like Howell, and it's not fine, right, and he has that whole

like a meltdown because he's not. He's like not beautiful. He's like he dyes his hair, like his hair turns the different colonies, like I'm not beautiful. I mean who among us that egg scenario more times than I want to. He's literally like I'm going to kill myself, and it's like that is I've gotten out of the Salon Chair. Like should I kill should kill myself, or do I kill the stylists? Yeah, yeah, one or the other or both? Yeah, why not? I mean how's so hot? WHO's so hot?

Princess Mononoke, so hot, I can't even talk about it. And then, yeah, and then Ruka, Haruka, gender goals, sailor Urinus, and also the food in Studio Ghibli movies. It just looks so good. I had a similar thing with, like with May Cup in animation when I was younger, like like in Mulan when they put the Lipstick on, like how people, how people's hair moved. That whole opening number in Mulan is a Banger, stunning and those images that I just remember really latching onto hair. Animated Hair is

very important and sailor moon does it so well. Yeah, I mean, how long is her hair to be flowing that long in those pigtails? She definitely has some mixed intern work. Yeah, she's definitely got plugs. She's got a weave. Yeah, I love long flowing animated hair. That was when I used to draw it, when I was a little like hair was like the big thing that I was really obsessed with, and hair and animation is so specific, like Um Arial's Weird Bang thing and the little made like

what is that? Yeah, like Um like Meg's really angular hair and Hercules into it, the little swirls for Nipples, the Nipswalls, the nips worlds into a very controversial elbow. Elbows. What was that? They're just like it's Greek, I guess. Yeah, their Corinthian column like kids will like we'll like learn how to draw from stuff. This sing and like my my older brother would like draw stuff that was like

very stylistically taken from Hercules. So it always reminds me of him and I remember friends of mine like learning how to draw from sailor moon, like filling up their sketch books with with hair, you know, like figuring out how to draw the skirts. I definitely used to draw. I used to draw like anything I would watch, and I just remembered, Um, so Mulan the first and one of two times I'd ever really been to Disneyland, slash world. What's the one in Florida? Disney world? Disney world as

a kid, I was like a little baby kid. Was Right. War Mulan came out and you could go into this like exhibit that had like original like sketches of the Mulan, kind of like world. Can we talk about concept dot like generally for a second? Studio Ghibli concert are like. Do you have like a memory attachment to any sort

of specific concept art? I just remember, like any time I fell in love with a movie, like either my my parents would or like I would like try to get ahold of whatever behind the scenes book was made about it. I have the Lord of the Rings One, yes, yes, yes, yes, like well, like Alan How's drawings? Like the books about the Nannia movies? I have the titanic ones. Yeah, I love a lite in the witch and the wardrobe. It's so good. The Lord of the Rings One's those visual companions, though.

They should be studied because, like, they actually textually are so rich and like they give you so many sketches and so much world building that, like, so much of it is lost on you because these movies are so

maximalist and little. The rings is so special. What I like, the original trilogy are like that's some of my favorite films and, like, get ready for this, I watched them every I watched all three extended editions in Christmas, every yet on New Year's Day, and I call that ringing in the new yet in a group, or there's a friend in Australia that I do it with if we're in the same place, and if we're not, all do

it by myself. Okay, well, if you need someone to watch with this year, I mean, let's go, because I also, around the holidays, do the same thing, but I am wont to do like Watch the whole series and then just like started over again. It's beautiful, you know. Or

like I'll watch the two towers twice. I made with so much care and like everyone involved cares like the most amount possible and like the everybody has the resources, they need, time, they need like everybody's invested that, I mean beyond anything else, so that it's just such a unique cinematic at easement, I think. And Yeah, but that's

the difference between the Hobbit and why it's infuriating. Is like not the same level of Kara did not go into it because of the way it was made and like the like Gamba del Toro of it all, and like Peter Jackson, talk about concept dot my God, if like, can you imagine if we had gotten did you? Have you heard the t about how the Amazon Prime, like rings of power, reached out to Peter Jackson and then

ghost to him? I did read that. Tell me they were so they apparently, when they first started pulling the show together, they reached out to him and they were like hey, we would love for you to be involved. To what capacity, we don't know, and Peter Jackson was like yes, which, like he doesn't say yes to things. Um, so I was kind of shook, but he said yes and then they fully ghosted him and he's like on the record, like you know, talking to journalists, being like yeah,

and I never heard back from them. A get like such a queen like I was like, yeah, we're good, I love that. Yeah, they like put on the ring and we're like Jackson even is he doing anything the Beatles documentary? Jackson is like a quiet, passionate documentarian. I didn't know that. Nothing but respect for Peter Jackson, but he could not pick a less interesting subject for me to consume. I do not want to want you don't want to watch the six our Beatles? Don't? You could

not pay me. I will skip to the Yoko sections and then I'll be done. I think the sailor moon theme song is better than any song the Beatles ever wrote say that I think I definitely pretended to like the Beatles as a kid, like you know. And also, okay, actually, the trailer, not across the universe of the movie, but the Ray across the I do love Jim Surgis is in it. Yeah, because he is in Sandman. I've been

thinking about how cute he is. I wouldn't recommend watching it sober, but I would say that it's like for me like when that trailer came out. I remember it was like, you know, in the era of you to early eras of Youtube, where you become with an obsessed with a video and you just have to watch it like every single day for like weeks and weeks. And I mean I've seen it, like I've probably seen the entire movie through gifts on Tumbler. I'm mad for it

over there. That was the tumbler. I've seen Uncle Sam leaning with the pointing things, but the movie, it's truly truly a thing that happened very, very little rings Culture Florence the machine. I think I had a Florence in the machine tumbler for a minute. Didn't really write like at the very because like a beginning of her career was like kind of when Tumbler was at its peak. I used to have a tumbler that just reposted images of Solange and beyonce together and I called it keeping

up with the noses. That's amazing, thought Tumbler Dot Com, but it never got popular anything, unfortunately. The first time I ever heard of Florence in the machine song was Um in a trailer for a new season of one of my favorite shows at the time, which was a BBC show called being human. Did either of you ever say it? I think an American version of it was made, but it's about a werewolf, a ghost and a vampire. I do remember. I remember it already sounds like something

rose has watched. I haven't watched it, but I definitely like remember. It was incredible and I if I remember correctly, it was the trailer for the season two, I think. But I was in love with this show and they used Howel, like the Florence Song. Oh my God, it's a great song. Yeah, the first time I ever saw her live was like her first American show when she was like breaking out. It was a terminal five in

New York. Was the first time I ever did acid and she opened with how and I was like I like left my body and like was communing with her and like a fully spiritual way, and she was like a vessel to some like greater power, and I was like hunched over my computer with the trailer on Youtube listening to it so I could type the lyrics into Google, being like what, what is this song? Yeah, yeah, it was, and I found it. I was like, who's flaring in

the machine? And then I bought her album like that week. I think that album is so like, that album is so like raw and like like so many different sounds and her voices so like angry but also beautiful. I probably watched the cosmic love music video like like upwards of five hundred times the year that it came out. Yeah, I would go for like walks by myself a lot as a teenager. I would like go to this like one public swing set or like explore my my neighborhood.

I lived right near like a national reserve and I just remember like sitting in a park alone, like memorizing the lyrics to my boy builds coffins. Just like she understands me. I've seen her every era, and so now I have to see this era, because I do think that this album that she just released, dance faver, is like one of my favorites in a while. I okay,

I want to know. What's your favorite Florence album? Oh my God, okay, tough, but I think I think, like truly, at the end of the day, it's it's how big, how blue, how beautiful. It's her best it's her best album. Yeah, it's my favorite. Queen of peace is like one of my favorite Florence. What kind of man is a crazy opener? Like it's it's incredible. It throws you right in the deep end. And then various storms and science is one

of my favorite songs of hers. Well, it's like the album where she started getting really into dance and like and you can, I mean she's always been such a like a mover, you know, especially like you see her live performances and like it's all about this like frenetic energy she has, but like you can kind of hear this like interest she has and like theatrical performance coming through in the music Um and like what kind of

man does? What kind of man is is very that various storms and saints is so good, it's so beautiful and that the music video of it. Is there a music video of that? I don't know, because she did she did a bunch of videos for that album that we're like connected, and I think there was like a various storms and saints moments. Um highest hope is probably my best. It's it's so different. It is so different.

It's still really good and I saw when she was touring she did a performance of it at Bam, which was like the right context to see it in and it made me like it a lot more. So intimate, but it's it is very different from all of her

other work. I was really always a ceremonials girl. Oh yeah, I mean, yeah, that was a transportive album that came out when I was living in Bushwick, like near one of the huge cemeteries there, and I would like go on walks in the cemetery listening to ceremonials, and so that was very the vibe of that. Her music feels like like motion, like movement. It's like I remember like making a stupid tweet about it, like I just ago, but her music makes me feel like I can control

the weather. YEA, she is. Yes, she is, is, she's a witch, she's like a fairy, she's a demon, she's all of those things and I think that, like when she came onto the scene, which is when I fell in love with her, I feel like her. I think tumbler culture had created a perfect like landscape for her to come into because like self, serious, like Kate Bushey, in weather, weather controller, is like very like. I don't know.

There are a lot of people that I think are that are in that legacy of like you know what she did first. Like there was nothing like her when she came onto the scene. Like there is a power

within me. I think the way had kind of been cleared for her a little bit with like amy winehouse Duffy Adele of like the sort of alternative British singer Songwriters who made like very emotive music, but she kind of brought the like big booming pop into it and like chamber pop was certainly not something we were like

listening to in two thousand nine. I also don't know like what other what other music sounded like with like the nothing, I mean particularly at the time, like you know, in in like the years before her first album releases, like it's like two thousand and six, seven eight, and I can't think of one like her at the time. Yeah, and she also will, because I think the first song of hers that really broke out was kiss with a fist.

So it was almost like it was yeah, it was kind of like sneaky in a way, because you kind of got one thing for her. She was very you know, she kind of like snuck in at like the tail end of like Kate Nash, Kate Nash a little bit, a little bit Lily Allen. Yeah, like the kiss with a fist tone is like the ven diagram overlap. I think totally. My God, Kate Nash, my finger tips holding onto the foundation. Kate Nash and Lily Allen. We're both on the very first mix CD that my very first

boyfriend made for me. So okay, but that, honestly, that what even is that era of like indie pop, like I miss. There's something. It's coming back because, you know, Indie slee is is like the thing that it's like sort of like low fi, like snarky. I don't know, there's something quite earnest about it, but I think maybe people are missing. But like we just don't have bands like Edward Sharp and the magnetic Zeros anymore. You know

what I mean? Like like it's probably a devenge er ban Har Um like kind of throaty acoustic set list and they're like seventeen members of the band and you don't know what the other like fifteen do you know? Like that, I wouldn't be done to like go to like a Gig, you know, like a dirty, grungy like

rock show. Actually, this is something that I was thinking about when I went to see Chromatica ball because, I mean, I'm not I'm not trying to poop poo on like, you know, kindness punks or whatever, but I am Gaga fans are, I mean, sorry, very white, like it's it's a deeply Caucasian crowd, and they were also just very like we, and I said, I'll say, I'll say we we are all like kind of losers and therefore like don't really know like how to vibe and how to

be cool and a concert environment. And when we went to when I went to gramatical ball, I was like, why is anyone dancing, like, why is anyone Moh Ing? And Gaga, during her shows, frequently says stuff like dance, motherfucker dances and likes yeah, and it's crazy because I used to go. I don't go to concerts that much anymore, but I used to go to like two concerts a month. Like I would find like fifteen twenty dollar tickets and go see you, know Ingrad Michaelson or like, Um, do

you remember? Uh Fuck, is really a show where you're going to rage out girl, or like Laura Marling or something like that. But I have another classic Mash Opportunity. Laura, Laura Music, Laura Marley used to be my number one but, like I would go to concerts alone all the time and like I'm thinking about like when I saw sleigh bells live and like, Oh my God, I incredible show. And that's the thing. is like because, Um, we all want to be respectful and not endanger each other's lives.

We don't like mash anymore, but I kind of like miss like, because you can't go to a slave ill show and not mash I. I once saw them at the basement at Le Poissan Rouge and it was like it was I thought I was going to die that night, as I also did a lot of cocaine that night. So that's partially what I say. I have gotten into multiple emotional altercations with people at concert really yes I got in a fight with a girl at a Carly Rag Jefson concert at Terminal Five, I, one of the

most heated places. This girl was so rude, she was constantly I mean, I'm, you know, universally hated at any concert because I'm sick, six ft two and so like everyone just hates me, and like this girl was constantly physically pushing my back, like trying to like push me away from her and I'm like, I'm not an invasive answer. I'm a very small dancer, like I'm very cognizant of the space I take up. But she was like really wasted and um I got into a fight with her

at some point. I was just like just go in front of me, I don't care. Just like literally go in front of me. I just don't want to interact with you anymore. I also got in a fight with a woman at a Michelle Branch concert during next and they're gonna get get into a fight with someone at the worst part is it is it wasn't o g

Michelle Branch. It was like her not her most recent I guess her most recent album, was a very small show, maybe at Lepos San Rouge, I want to say, but like there was some woman who was audibly complaining about me, like behind me, and she was like, Oh, I can't see, oh no, I can't see or whatever, and I like turned around and I was like I would love to like cut off my shins for you, but like, unfortunately, like I can't, like I'm just tall. So like you

could move if you wanted to. Your welcome to go in front of me, and she was like, Oh, well, crowds make me nervous, so that's why I'm in the back. And I was like, well, you live in New York, and I was just like so. And then's so funny that like fear of having to say the polite thing as you say the rude thing. It's like how, okay, so your nervousness around tapping me on the shoulder and saying hey, would I actually be able to go in front of you, means that instead you're just going to

be passive, aggressive loudly like now, is that better? Let's let's not never forget that sailor moon is fourteen. Yeah, she's young, and that's crazy too. I mean I think

it's like it's a phenomenon. was like every piece of children on teenagers media, right or it's like when you're a kid, you're like yeah, that's a person, that's an adult, that's that's fine, and now when I look at teenagers, I'm like, you're not a person, you have you do not have independent thought, like nothing you think or say matters. And then there's the cognitive dissonance of like well, I didn't look that young. It's like yes, you did, yes,

you did. That is kind of crazy, even though I guess like there are a lot of movies these days where like high school or start being played by like full thirty seven year old. That doesn't help. Well, I like this this like new kind of end that's emerging where they're actually casting teenagers as that. That okay. When I think about that, I think about the movie eighth grade, which it ruined me, like it knocked me, failed me

at the knees. But Um Elsie fishing in that movie is like yeah, no, that's that's that's a child, that's a fourteen year old, and that is how vulnerable fourteen year old is and how vulnerable it feels. And the fourteen year old like youtube videos like in that like

the kind of class of youtube videos. Like I was watching like some sort of like interview about like Bo Burnham's process of like making that movie, and he was like I watched hundreds of hours of like preteen youtuber like vlogs like to like understand like and it's crazy, though, that this is like that. This is what the generation is doing now, like are they're cataloging their thoughts like for all of the public, and they are not going

to want those to exist. But that's what I wonder about because I mean, like my experience of the Internet as a young person was a of writing stuff down live journal a little bit. I Live Journal still exists somewhere and I need it shut I need the nuclear codes. But, like, I mean, I think, I do think it is different to have your legal name and your face attached it to everything you're putting out. You know, I wonder what, Um,

what that's going to feel and look like later. Yeah, I mean, you know, not everyone gets to fully transform into a superhero and like change their identity. Lucky for me, I only used my live journal to steal music and I honestly recently revisited it and, Um, it was I only have one post and it's it's like a text only post. That's like, does anybody have a good MP three or MP four of a LEJANDRO? My Lady Gaga, I could have, I could have helped you out. The

Gut reaction I had to that concern. I'm like, no, it does anyone. I remember the fucking youtube to MP three CONVADAH. My Live Journal was mostly we really used it as a way to bully each other. So it was like you would say the meanest, nastiest Shit about each other in your live journal and like no, like change of names, nothing. But then you didn't talk about

it at school. At School you acted like everything was totally fine and normal, and then you would go home again that night and be like, I hope she kills herself. Oh my gosh, me and cyber bullying. Yeah, I was a cyber bullier in the high school, but I was also cyber bullied. So you know, people, I mean, they I mean, they do. It is annoying, but that is true. We'll be back next week with a discussion on Greek mythology.

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