Patreon Preview: The Lust of Ass (feat. Tommy Dorfman)

I'm Rose Damn you, and I'm Fran Toronto and this is our first ever Patreon exclusive bonus episode World Remembers, Like, what can the Virgins kind of expect from our Patreon Well, Fran, Funny, you should ask. Funny, you should ask. We are going to be doing stuff that is still sort of around the conceit of the show, Like we are going to be doing deep dives into formative pop culture that we love, but I think it's going to be a little more structured.

We'll revisit topics we've already covered, and then we're going to do things that are a little bit more free form and like more intimate. We'll be doing like chit chatty episodes. And then also Patren is going to be the official home of Rosa's book Corner. Yes, the music. Yes, so you'll be able to come here if you are following along with what I'm reading and hear us talk about it. And the part that is at the end of this episode with Tommy Dorfman is exclusive to Patreon.

It will not be airing in the episode that eventually goes up with Tommy. Also, we might have some Patron exclusive guests like producer Phoebe. Yeah, Phoebe's being very mommy dummy. Phoebe wants all of her commentary behind a paywalls. That's what she likes. So today we're going to start off with something that you've been sliding into our DMS about. We're going to discuss the season finale of The Last of Us and sort of just the way the season wrapped up, because I don't think you and I have

really checked in about it in a bit. Well, let's be clear, yesterday I tried to talk about the season finale of the Last of Us and you said save it for the Patriots. Listen, we already we already talk so much that sometimes it's best to keep things fresh on air. No important context, honestly, is that Rose and I had been working very hard for like an uninterrupted three hours on our season two announcement and everything that by the time you left, I was like, get out

of my house, Get out of my house. I was like literally sitting on the couch reading fan fiction waiting for you to leave. It must also be said that you are you were waiting to get your backbroke. Um. Um. I was not waiting to get my backbroke. I was waiting to break someone else's back, which I did. Um.

But that's neither here nor there. Another that's another thing you might get, Yeah, exclusive is our sex sock about our sex lives because I only feel comfortable talking about that behind a paywall because honestly some I love the virgins and especially the rosebuds, but sometimes the things you ask for, Um, let's just check ourselves when it comes to the parasocial relationships, girly, And that's the thing is like Rose would love Rose, and I would love to

respond to like the dms. We would love to respond to all the mentions. Um. But if you subscribe to our Patreon it is a great way. Or if you're already here, if you've arrived, um, it is a great way to get our attention faster, quicker, better, right, Yes, by paying for it So let's talk about the Last of Us finale. M what did you feel generally about the end of the season From the storm Read flashback episode on as much? Okay, from storm Read phenomen loved

Bella's kind of queer backstory. What's the character's name again, Ellie? Ellie Love Ellie's queer backstory. Um, maybe the most heartbreaking episode, I think, And I also obviously the Baby Girl episode transcendent. I mean, when we when we have arrived on the scene and we now understand the full arc of the word baby girl and why Pedro has decided to kind

of finally adopt her as her daughter. The energy in the finale like really shifted for me, Like their father daughter dynamic was like uninhibited and clear, and I did enjoy this kind of like shift from beginning to end. The finale was really unsatisfactory to me. It was dramatically wonderful,

it was complex. I liked the themes that it brought up, but like it was forty three minutes and I was like, and when they finally got to their you know, spoiler, to their sanctuary, I was like, okay, like give me another ten minutes. I just wanted another ten minutes, you know what I mean. Yeah, and we do have to say spoilers obviously for the last of US finale the

whole season. I get what you mean. I do also think the finale could have been a little bit longer, but I really appreciated the way that it wrapped up the story so succinctly, and it was very sparse in a way. I really enjoyed the back half of the season. I did feel like there was a lull around the middle of the season, and um, I didn't even like the flashback episode was good for me, but I wasn't

obsessed with it like it was. It was fun, but I also it wasn't like it wasn't a standout to me in the way that you know, like the gay

episode was. Um. I really liked the penultimate episode and like, obviously like the baby Girl moment is great, but for me, I really liked even more than that, how creepy it was Ellie being captured and then see her having to save herself and be really competent through you know, kind of her own wiles and also the skills that she's picked up from Joel and how you know, like Joel is presented as this very like capable killing machine who's like very emotionless by the time he meets Ellie, and

he obviously has like instilled a little bit of that in her, but you see at the end of that episode how much it costs her to be like him, and I think that's kind of the place that she's at in the beginning of the finale, where like you clearly see that some of the spark that she had has died a little bit, and she almost like kind

of gets it back a little bit. This scene with the giraffes was very cute, and then they start like looking in her punbook again, and then they're captured and it's it's all downhill from there, and also is very from what I've read, like that is exactly what happens

in the video game. And I also felt like that whole episode it's never felt more like an adaptation of a video game, not in a negative way, but like when he's like going on his murders breathe throughout the hospital, you know, shooting people and then like making their guns to use, like that's very video game, you know, And so it really does put you in like the space of this like first person shooter game and it's I

don't know. There's been a lot of discourse online about how about the morality of what Joel does and like if he should if he's like dooming the world, you know, for one person, blah blah blah. I don't know where do you stand on all of that. I I mean,

I loved what was lifted from the video game. I the giraffes from the video game, like even I was watching like um some like side by side of the video game and the finale, and even the line where he when he kills the Firefly leader damn, what's her name? I can't remember when he kills Marlene on the floor in cold Blood and it's like you just come after her, like oh, that to me was maybe the darkest point of Pedro's killing spree. And I think I liked how

complex it was. I like that he's a killing machine. I like that we don't get this kind of like morally perfect ending. I just wish it wasn't the finale because that's so much suspended tension to put into the final episode and and in the in the episodes, like final minutes when Ellie says, promise me that this is true, and he lies to her face and you see in Ellie's face that she just kind of she doesn't believe him at first, and then she just like kind of

forces herself to believe him. It's just a lot of ikey feeling for for like how I wanted to feel, I guess in the end, and you know that's that's fine. I honestly don't mind feeling that way. I just like wish that we as I said, how did denoument? You know what I mean? I wanted a little like ten minutes to like ramp down, or I wanted a completely new conflict like come in and Cliffhanger us U. Yeah.

But in terms of like the morality, I you know, it's kind of I just I think it's really interesting because like where does what does what function does morality have in the apocalypse? What function do ethics have in the apocalypse when there are so few of us? When the fight for humanity is such a different game. I did find myself asking a lot of questions just about like what I would do in that situation and how I would feel. I don't know, what, like did you feel,

would you would you go on the killing spree? To save Ellie or do you think Ellie Do you think Ellie believed him? I don't think Ellie believed him, but I think that she has to tell herself that she does. You know, the question of would you sacrifice someone you loved to save the world. I I'm not going to say it's something I've been thinking about, but I did

just finish rewatching Buffy. And that is a question that gets brought up on several occasions, notably for Buffy in season two when she has to kill Angel, who she's in love with, to save the world, and then in season five she is challenged to kill her sister to save the world and won't do it, and then a season later she gets to the point where she says, you know, or two seasons later she says, if this happened now, I would kill her to save the world.

Obviously very different circumstances, like Buffy's like a character who's like literally been chosen by some kind of power to be like a warrior for good. It's like and this is and Joel is just like some guy. I don't know.

For me, I it just I think it's like you have to you have to take a lot on faith to even make that a realistic question, because it's like, Okay, this doctor who's doing the surgery, do I actually trust that he can take Ellie's brain and create a you know, a vaccine and actually disseminate it to the entire world

and like cure the zombie virus. Like I don't know, given everything that I've been told about this world over the last however many episodes, like I don't know that that's true, and like will that erase what has been done to humanity and what humanity has done to itself in the apocalypse, Like I don't know that a vaccine is necessarily going to save the world, So why should

this fourteen year old girl be sacrificed for it? And also like you know, Marlene says, you know, don't take this choice away from her, but like Ellie didn't choose this, Like she's you know, prepped. They make it very clear that she's prepped for surgery, not knowing that she's going to die. I'm sure maybe like could have crossed her mind, but she doesn't know that she's you know, sacrificing herself to save the world. So I don't know. It's like

it's the trolley problem. You know, it's just like a different version of the trolley problem, which, if anyone knows, is this sort of philosophical exercise about this very thing. Clang clang, clang, clang, clang, clang, went the trolley. Yes, sing Ding ding went the bell? Is that how it goes? Zing zing zingg went my heart strings? Yeah, and the kind of when I saw him, I fell. And the moral quandary of that idea really is about the clang.

It's it's about the clang and whether whether you identify as a clang or whether you identify as a ding. You know, somewhere along on that spectrum is really is the hearted issue? Are you a clang? You know? I you know, I have been thinking about being Judy Garland and meet me in Saint Louis for Halloween. I love it your about in March. The wig would have to be so right, it would have to be exact. You wouldn't need a wig. You could just get extensions. I

know I wouldn't. No, girl, I want to I want something I can take off like a hat. Okay, as whatever you want, whatever you wish, okay. So like generally, where do you stand on the last of us. Now that the season is over, are you excited for a season two? Obviously? I feel like there's no other response, like it's it's just we want more and more and more, and I can't really wait for more for more. Um So. In the meantime, I've been watching The Mandalorian, which, um,

I a girl like this. This show is great. I mean, Padri needs to take off his helmet like eventually, but like, yeah, so so people have been talking about how the show is great for about three years now, yeah you are. I don't like catching up, you know, I haven't heard anyone coming to the conversation very late. I don't know. I haven't really heard any discourse or or anything about it, like no, no, no fave characters like yeah, I haven't,

I haven't. I haven't seen any of that. I feel like this is, you know, a great A great take is that The Mandalorian is good? Right? So, I don't know if all of you have seen this meme that's been going around of people defining themselves by eight albums eight albums to get to know me? Yes, um Fran

and I both did it. You can find our responses on our respective twitters, but while we were recording an episode with Tommy Dorfman that will be coming out in a couple of weeks, we asked Tommy to share eight albums that she defines herself by, and she did it very quickly on the spot. Not a lot of curation in the way that I did it. Girl Mine took like I mean, I thought about it for like an hour. I like left it in the draft. I came back to it like it was kind of a it was

quite a moral condrey. Yeah, so, um, we're gonna hear Tommy's eight albums and then also some lingering thoughts she had about the oscars and yeah, we're so excited that you are listening to our first Patreon episode and you're going to get so much exciting content like this, without further ado, here is a snippet of our an exclusive snippet of our convo with Tommy Dorphins screech. So this is the end of your little teaser preview of our

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