Neville Bongbottom

woke up the next morning. I was embarrassed. Virgins For for those of you who don't who may have missed part of that conversation, apparently my co host and our producer were hanging out without me in Los Angeles, and Fran was wasted while it happened and doesn't even remember it, so I don't care. Um anyways, I have to say, um, yes,

I I was out. I embarrassed myself in front of a professional colleague in an unprofessional way, because we keep it really just squeaking it real professional over here, like the way Phoebe just came back into the zoom chat to glare at me, to say, to be like, you think this is professional? Yeah? You all? If you follow us at like a Virgin nine, you've seen the trans lesbian cent our porn we send each other, which I took me at least thirty minutes to censor. There was

so much to blur out. All that is to say, I'm like super hungover from the weekend. I was living out of a suitcase from June through October Rose. My suitcase was literally open, and I was traveling, traveling that's really hard to my body. But when I came back, I felt so disconnected from my l A fam And so when I reached out to people and I was like, I'm back in l A finally, like let's hang again, Let's go pregame, let's go to a drag show, let's go to the strip show, whatever, and so that that's

what happened this weekend. Um, So I'm very However, that's honestly something I can't relate to. I that's one one of my favorite Yeah, one of my favorite things about not drinking is not ever being hungover. But I feel like it's hard to You're very good at navigating that I don't drink thing. You're very just like I don't drink. Well, that's actually something that's only like pretty recent because you know, I like, I mean, as as i've talked about before.

I used to work in nightlife, and drinking was really just kind of like a social crutch, and not even a crutch, it was more like a social prop because it feels weird to be at a party and not to have a drink in your hands, especially the kind of parties I was at. But I've never really been interested in drinking, but always felt like it was something

I needed to participate in socially. And then even when I wasn't partying anymore, it still was like I would, you know, maybe have like a cocktail every once in a while, or like a beer on vacation. But actually, since moving back to New York, I've been reconnecting with people or like connecting with new people, and you know, the like go to if someone is like, yeah, let's let's meet up for a drink, And what I just started saying is, oh, I don't drink, but like, let's

meet up for coffee. And it actually has been really nice for me to define it that way, because the last thing I want to do is be at a bar when I don't drink, because the worst thing you can do is someone who's sober is be around people who are drunk, and it's just nice to have that finally defined and to not be in that sort of like in between place. And I just don't ever want to be around drunk people ever. Again. Yeah, I mean,

you're amazing at navigating it, Slash. You just do it because I feel like most people would absorb what is the really like icky reliance on alcohol in social spaces, especially queer social spaces, Like it's someone in a group

says I don't drink. I mean, I do think that there's more respect for it now, like people are having better conversations about sobriety, even though what you're doing is not necessarily sobriety so to speak, in the way it's often associated like nowadays, but like a lot of times people are like, you don't drink, but like why but like just one drink? Like are you going to have

a mocktail but like still be with us? Or like people really feel like if you're not drinking, then like we can't have fun Like and yeah, I don't feel like that at all. Like I'm if I'm out at a dinner and people are drinking, I don't feel any type of way for it. It's more I mean as Kim Control famously said, I don't ever want to be in a situation. I don't want to put myself in a situation where people are gathered with the explicit purpose

to drink and get drunk. I understand that we live in a world in which people drink alcohol in social situations. That's fine, But I'm not trying to be in social situations that only exist because of alcohol. Extremely curious on your answer to this, what are your thoughts on mocktails.

I'm totally about mocktails. I actually have started asking at restaurants when people are ordering drinks if they have them or one of my go two's has now become getting a seltzer with bidders, which is a lovely, lovely little beverage, or you know, like a brunch getting a juice or something. Love that. Okay, we love a juice moment. But I'm also just fine drinking water, I don't know, that's whatever, or or a Coca Cola. Yeah, I mean, I know. I honestly like being in l a where you have

to drive everywhere. I've like welcomed the fact that, like I can't drink because I have to drive, you know, Like I like drinking in certain scenarios, but like, I don't really want to drink every time I go out, Like it's just not necessary a lot of the time in order for me to have fun. And yeah, I'm glad that, like, you know, more and more people are

figuring out, like what their relationship to alcohol is. On the on the of figuring things out, you might have noticed that this is a slightly different discussion than the ones we normally have at the beginning of our episodes, and that is because, you know, after a year of doing the show, and we have now been doing like a Virgin for a year, and we recently found out that in that time we've had over half a million downloads,

which is incredible showstopping. Um, we are thinking a little bit about how to reinvigorate the show and make it more enjoyable for us and more enjoyable for you the listeners, because as much as we love obviously consuming media, that is like the whole point of this podcast is talking

about media and what it means to us. The news segment at the beginning of the episodes especially, is starting to feel a little formulaic, starting to feel a little bit so much like we are showing up with lists of things that we have to have takes on rather than very like fill in the blanks yeah times and not like, you know, an organic conversation about ourselves our lives, and we would like it to maybe be more of that.

But also we kind of want to try experimenting with a few different ways to do this this opening segment, and we also want your opinion on what you think it could be. Yeah, and not just the opening segment, but just like just how the show is brought together with that segment and how we make this show, like we're thinking about you, the virgins, and also just like what excites Rose and I and Phoebe and yeah, we

we want to do that with you. So, um, if you have opinions on like, you know, what brings you to the show? What episodes do you skip? Like, what parts are your favorite, what are your least favorite? What do you wish we talked about? Are things that you wish that we could visit every week? I think we want to hear from you, and so we are releasing

a survey. This is probably the only time we'll do this, So this is your opportunity that collights A bunch of questions asking for feedback on the show, and now is your opportunity to give it. Actually, like we really do need you to give feedback, Like it'll help us so much to shape this show and just to like move into the next year. You can click that link in

the show notes. Maybe Rose and I will post it on our social and as a little incentive, we'll be giving a certified virgin hat to three lucky survey filler outers picking at random. Uh, we haven't decided on a deadline yet, but like we'll figure out a deadline just for now. Make sure that you fill out this survey ahead of the holidays, and I think over the next couple weeks months, we will just be playing around with the show and trying things out and seeing what sticks.

And um, we you know, we love that you all listen and are so passionate about the show, and um, you know, welcome us into your ears every week, and we just want to make the best show possible, y'all, and also the best show for us because we put a lot of work into this and you know, we want it to continue to be fun to do. Also, fran your hair is looking very share like right now. Oh my God, thank you. Yeah, it is giving a little moonstruck, like the scene after she gets like the

little perm and she's like standing outside the opera. Thank you. That's like the nicest compliment anyone could ever give me. It is moonstruck season, after all, it is moonstruck season. And say that I did something really exhausting yesterday, which is I walked around Soho on a Sunday afternoon. Oh God, why what for? Well, you know, I'm in the in

the middle of decorating my apartment. My best friend Ryan, who works in interior design, is doing my apartment for me, And we had picked out a couch from crighton Barrel, but wanted to go see it in person and sit on it before we ordered it. So we went to the Crane and Barrel and Soho and the style of couch that I want is the only one that they don't have in store. And so it's always that way,

isn't it. Yeah, So we like looked around for a while, didn't didn't really see anything else that was like met the specific requirements we were looking for. And so then after that we went to CB two, we went to some other furniture stores and like Soho on a Sunday. It was very much giving. We were about to be stopped by someone with a tiny microphone making a TikTok like you and I had that time at the Grove.

It's Billy on the street who it was, um and we were We had plans to go to Brooklyn Museum afterwards to see the Muclaire exhibit, but after after being in Soho for a couple of hours, I just had the last thing I wanted to do was go walk around a muse him on a Sunday. No, so I simply gave up and came home and finally finished season five of The Crown. Oh wait, what did you think of the end? You know? I, Um, I think it should have ended with Diana dying. I like don't understand

why season five didn't end with Diana dying. And yeah, and also like they were really pushing approach charles agenda this season is that it's so the categorical opposite of last season. They're like, Charles is the progressive, Like look at how like, you know, like forward thinking he is.

I'm like what? And yeah, I was like I was wondering if maybe it was because they were trying to remain somewhat objective, but I think they swung too far in the other direction, you know that being said, I love the Crown, I as I just like, I will watch however many hours of it are made. I just wonder, like, is the show going to end with like Megan recording her podcast is not going to be the last seed of the Crown? Not? No, yeah Megan with Oprah and Harry,

um not Harry? Is that his name? I don't know any of the royals names. Yeah, Harry, Harry us okay, Frince Harry, that's the one. We also say that the guy that plays Charles is way too hot. It is hot. It's it's not right, it's it's it's not right. I honestly did not care about the royal family before the Crown, and I still don't care about I still don't. But the thing is, this is the only thing that I care about. The Crown. I don't care about I don't

care about the real people. I care about the Crown. Let's be very clear. I care about the Crown, not the Crown as in her Royal Majesty's the Crown. Wait, this is this is like okay, I'm gont it's okay. I was like, I was gonna text you this, but like, maybe this is podcast appropriate um in the vein of our inndc's episode and also our porn episode the the

other night. Actually literally last night, I was, you know, looking at porn for no reason in Porture, and the reason wasn't to come no, no, no, no, of course not. It was just recreational, like leisurely porn viewing rolling um and the algorithm from my Twitter fed me an Indie Slee's era Emo boy porn where they were wearing knee high black and white striped leggings send it to me right now, and they were wearing arm bands like black and white like there before Christmas like arm bands and

like an emo. But it was so amazing to see it for research purposes. It's probably an entire genre of porn. That porn is absolutely a thing. Oh my god. Okay, Well, anyways, I don't I honestly don't know if I will send it to you. I think it's like, I think that's like a professional boundary. Friend, there are there are no professional I hate to break it to you, but those don't exist. And thank God for it and God herself but you know what, if I changed my mind about that,

you will be hearing from my attorney. Ak, my grandpa. It is your your grandpa, My grandpa is My grandpa is my attorney. When I signed with my agent, I sent the contract to my grandpa and he was like, he was like, I don't know anything about this, but um looks good. That is a sketch. That's a character in the show. It's like, and you'll be talking from my attorney anyways, Nana, where you what's like the boy version of Nana? I don't even what do people call

their grandpa, pops, Papa, Papa, Papa? You are like papa. I have several family members who listened to our podcast and I had to I had to one of them. I had to explicitly tell not to listen to the porn episode, and the other two told me that they skipped it. Good. My my cousin Ali a thanks Giving, Um, Ali, if you're listening, love you. Um. You know, outed herself to me as a virgin and said, but there are some episodes that I do skip because they get a

little a little too. I don't think I should be listening to this. And you know what, I love boundaries. Yeah, that sounds great. That's good for your cousin. I have no family members that listen to this. Honestly, it's it's my My relationships are stronger when my friends and family don't listen to this podcast. Um, that's not totally true. I'm being facetious. I love it when people listen to

my podcast, our podcast. I I am very happy to know that people who um have to hear me talk in real life also want to hear me talk um through their headphones. Do you ever do that thing though, where you're look at the You're like at like that, you know, at drinks quote unquote, like at dinner or something, and then you start telling a story that you told on the podcast, and then you're like, oh wait, I

think someone here listens like they've already heard me tell this. Sorry, no, because as we've established, I don't remember anything I've ever said. It doesn't apply, of course, of course, of course, I okay, I Oh my god, why am I going right there? I get so lonely in l A. L A is a lonely, lonely city, and weed makes me feel less alone,

like all the time, Like it does. It sometimes make you feel more alone, yes, of course, but like I think that all of the positive things about weed at the end of the day provide me a sense of company because I'm basically talking to myself and making jokes with myself and stuff like that, and I love that and I love well it turns up the echo chamber

in your brain, so you have an audience. It's so funny though, because like it does make my brain feel is more fluid, like less anxious about what people have to say, and then at the same time go on these crazy anxious spirals. Does your like weed brain ever go down like weird catastrophizing around something that would never happen. Of course, my sober brain does that too, but but for me it's these like tiny little circles. Were just like,

it'll catastrophize this paranoia. Mama, Yes, the paranoia is paranoying. Yeah yeah, But anyways, I didn't mean to go all the way there, because weed is great. I love weed. Yeah, we're both already were Yes, okay, virgins. You know those commercials, it's like your this is you on Drudge, Yes, the person who's melted into the cow. It's like, do you promise I want that to be and honey, let's be real, that was me. That's me on kedemy and every time

I'm on oh my god. Yeah. No, weed does not make you feel like I mean, maybe like a dank Indica would make you feel like that, but I don't think we'd should ever make you feel kind of neck like, that's not my what do you How do you like to feel on weed? I like, I like to feel relaxed, a little floaty, a little silly, and maybe it, depending on time of day, kind of sleepy. I don't really smoke weed to feel like up and social, although that's definitely the way that I smoked weed for like most

of my twenties. But now I'm an Indica girl, you know, I want to be chill vibes. When did you smoke weed for the first time? Room? I was a scene, I want to say, a senior in high school. I had basically I had been a nerd my entire like like school career. Like. I went to the same school from kindergarten to like high school and was a loser all the way up until my last two years. And I finally made friends with the cool kids that had the weed, so we got like I think we smoked

in a park and listened to Grizzly Bear. That sounds beautiful. It was, it was great, But I remember being like, so it was more about the psychosomatic facts. I felt, you feel really sick, you feel really dizzy and anxious, like I feel like you usually feel like the negative things with first experiences with weed, because you're probably smoking bad weed. You know, we were in like high school, what about you. The first time I smoked weed was at camp, and I just kind of got very giggly.

What kind of camp? Sleepweight camp? Oh, like a Jewish sleep away camp. It was predominantly Jewish, but it was you know, um not like it was secular. Yeah, it was, it was secular, just curious. I feel like all my friends have like a formative Jewish sleep away camp experience. It was where all my first were and weed was one of them. And but then in high school was probably the first time that I bought weed with the

intention to smoke it. And then, you know, very but quickly became some one of a stoner, and then much more so in college. I'm the opposite. I mean not the opposite, but like I became a stoner, like I did not really smoke weed that much up until I moved last you were more of a pepper pepper girl. Yes, I did not like what we did to my brain, and like you know, I would like socially smoke sometimes

but usually not. And I even actually had these roommates that were stoner's minds, and I hated the smell of weed and hated weed in the house. And I was such a fucking dork about a little narc Yeah, I was like a little not I mean, never tattled, okay, but I but I was like, it was narc behavior. It was it was you were judgmental. It was narc passing, not narc passing. Okay, big r A energy, Yeah, exactly. I would make a great r A obviously. I think I had more access to weed in college and freshman

year of college when I lived in a dorm. My dorm was on fifty five Street in Midtown, and there was a smoking spot that we used to go to that was across the street from our dorm in like a bank that was one corner of a city block, and it had like a weird little like ramp with a corner where everyone from our dorms went to smoke weed and that like that's why I think things like that is so much about weed, like when I was a really big stoner, and I think for a lot

of people, so much about weed is the ritual of weed. Where you smoke, how you smoke, you know, all of the different paraphernalia. Yeah, that are I think your relationship to like art and culture and like what you're consuming while you're like there's just like a whole like ecosystem. When I was younger, and this is how I think I have changed with smoking weed is when I was younger, weed was much more social, and now it has become something that is more of a solitary thing, which is

not as fun. Yeah, I us, no, it's not. I mean I had a lot of I mean one like I had a ball with weed alone because we had to be alone in the pandemic and so like that was just like a relationship like I built with myself, like with weed. Weird weirdly enough, but like so like I actually have more experiences smoking alone than I do have smoking like with people, probably, which is really weird

because I love smoking with people. But yeah, that's it's just a consequence of like when I took it up, so I'm kind of I was like the virgin to eat almost Where can you roll a joint? Yeah? Absolutely, because I used to roll me own cigarettes in college, so it would probably be Yeah, I would rolled my own cigarettes. I did that when I studied abroad in London. Girl, I was rolling my own cigarettes without filters. Every awful boyfriend that a female friend of mine has had has

been the kind of guy who rolls his own cigarettes. Yeah. That It is such a particular type of vibe, and the vibe is the crush in ethel Cat's crush Like, yeah, it's like his brother, his dad's on death row, his brother back to the Valedictorian, he's hiding guns in his locker. Yeah, that's the way where someone who's faking being that. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, faking being the Um what is your like? Go to munchy food? Oh? Um? Do you get the muncheese? Oh

my god? Yeah, I have to eat. I eat so much. Um. I will eat a rotissary chicken sandwiches or you do that all the time anyway? Yeah yeah, yeah, love rotissary chicken sandwich with avocado and lime. Yum. Uh. I will also if I have nothing in the house. I usually have frozen bread and I will make a grilled PBNJ with bananas. Isn't that that's like a good munchy food? What about you? That's one is really good. I don't really get mun cheese. Yeah, maybe for like just something

sweet or chips love chips. Yeah, I I girl, I eat. You would be shook by the amount that I consume when I'm stoned. It's like I usually have to have multiple meals. It's like crazy. I love food, I mean stoned, but like, um, when what's like the highest you've ever been? I know that I wrote this question the doc, but I don't know that I have an answer for it because I guess because I've done so many other drugs that have been more overwhelming, I just it doesn't compare.

But I guess like just the most stone I've ever been is maybe like feeling the most paranoid I've ever been? Or anyways, I do you okay? Oh what's your answer? So? Uh. One of my earliest memories of smoking was in college. My best friend from college, Carl Bergman, was a stoner, and she was one of the first people to like make we'd feel fun with me, like I wouldn't freak out because I was with someone I love so much

and I was visiting her in Minnesota. Uh, and she was like, Oh, we're gonna there's this like allah like rocky horror screening of this terrible movie called Trolls Too. Have you ever heard of it? We were you just talked about Okay, Okay, I know I was doing that thing where I was doing that thing and like podcasting where I was like pretending like we haven't already talked about it for the sake of the of the Virgins, but actually, like the curtain is drawn, Virgins, you were

seeing this is the fourth wall. This is Candice in real House Ses of Potomac turning to Cameron saying, is this what we're doing? Have you? Oh my god, you have to watch Potomac anyways, So Trolls Too is this like kind of cult classic bad movie. It's considered one of the worst movies ever created. And it's like there're

no trolls in the movie as well. It's about goblins, um, and I don't be there goblins who identify as I love your trans reading of this movie that I do not remember because I was so blitz out of my mind. And we made we handmade our own like t shirts for the trolls troll screening, and we had like just we were sitting on the floor like holding markers and like drawing over all over our shirts, like as writing like trolls to and drawing pictures of trolls. It was

like the highest thing I'd ever done. And it was like one of the first things that I ever did high. And we went and saw this movie and I hadn't I have no idea what the movie was or what happened or what it was about, but it was amazing. It was an amazing experience. Um, since you like mostly smoked weed later in life, did you have a lot of experiences with having to buy weed illegally or like any drugs illegal? Like yeah, I mean in New York.

I mean, look, you reach a point in New York where you're like everyone around me is doing drugs, and I just I like having drugs on hand at parties, you know what I mean. So, like, even though I was not in nightlife as deep as you were in my life, I still went to like so many fucking parties, and um, yeah, I love to buy drugs. And I love coke. I love buying coke. It makes me feel so adult. Um, what about you. The first time I bought weed, like in New York City, I was so scared.

And the delivery service that we used they pulled up to my They told me what kind of car they were coming in and said that they would pull up to my apartment and I would get in and we would drive a block and they would sell me the weed and then drop me off. And I'm like, God kidnapped, so listen, but that's literally just what happened. They picked me up there like exchange exchange, and then I got weeds, And I was like, okay, wow. Back in the day when we had dare, did you ever have to watch

any of these like anti drugs? I'm sure at some point, you know, in in school we had a launch to p s A. We had a big we had a big anti drug program in our health class where like we would have to like give presentations on drugs. Did you ever have to do this, like give a presentation on it? Okay, so everyone but I could do it today.

Everyone in our class had to. Like so they're like these teens that are like and harrow and it's like these like like literally like we're like what sixteen seventeen like and like giving presentations about ecstasy and I tried it last week. I've never done ecstasy. I don't think never. I mean I've done molly, which is essentially ecstasy. You've just never done like pills. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I love ecstasy like old school tabs of ecstasy. Yeah, that's what

I'm thinking. That's Oh my god, that was like my home. That was college and like post college for me. Wow, I just like took ice cream scoops out of my brain. I honestly envied the lifestyle that you had, honestly, like I remember being your that age and like wishing that I was like that cool, you know, like I, well, that's why they have things like dare is because drugs

are cool, and even my parents made them sound cool. Like, you know, I grew up having parents who had done drugs when they were kids, like still did drugs and you know, smoking weed, and it was never like that taboo for me. I also have smoked a lot of weed with both of my parents, which is a weird experience. I don't like being higher on my parents, but I wouldn't.

And I don't like seeing my parents or really anyone in my family being high, because like people are silly and stupid when they're high, and like I don't, Yeah, you've I'm gonna go out on a limb and say, you've never smoked weed with your parents? Not with my parents. No, I've been high around my parents without them knowing, but like slightly different, slightly different, like justin and I will do that sometimes. But anyways, are you a bong person? No?

You know? I had a bong in college that I named Neville Bong bottom shot named a lot of my like a lot of my bowls. Okay, what other Neville bong bottom was the best one? Nevill Bob Bottom. I hate you? Where you am a gravity bong? Girly? No, I think that that so I put the sawed off soda bottle. I dated this guy um in twenty one. I think that was like a huge stoner and like had a bong and would always make a smoke out of a bag and I was always just like, oh

my god, I'm so unnecessarily hot. It's a whole big deal, and you get released. I prefer the ease of just smoking a vape, but I love the elegance and simplist city of a joint, and joint will forever be the chicist way you can smoke weed. It's how I always want to smoke weed. Yeah, yeah, it's it's the ritual it is. And it's also like it's it's like smoking. It's like smoking cigarette. That that is, you know, also the ritual of it. And I don't smoke cigarettes anymore,

but I smoke joints. Do you have any relationships between like we like sping Stone and a certain like album or a certain like kind of music that you like to listen or something like a memory with it, because like I feel like I would have a totally different relationship to something like Fetch the Bolt Cutters or I don't know, do you have any music like that? You know?

I love to get stoned and listen to, you know, an album in its entirety, you know, and just have like a little movie play behind my eyelids, like you know, Confessions on a dance Floor or something, or I love I did in the pandemic several times got really high and watched the video of Madonna's Confessions tour. If anyone out there, if you have never seen. I've never seen

you have to watch it. It is incredible. I've heard you talking about if I could, if I could build a time machine, I would use it to go back in time and see the Confessions tour. I feel like I see you or Ryan tweet about it, like every other week we do. What's your like? Go to stony music? U one of the it's not go to but I always think of like Victoria Victoria Manai's album with Jaguar. I don't really listen to them a lot. Oh my god, it's a very short album, but it was it was

so amazing. Um. Actually Chloe and Halley's album also, like I think, yeah, but god, I don't know. I think that. Um, I like that. I like weed when it feels like creative. I was I was wondering about that for you because like, obviously weed is something that you used to relax, but like, are you able to work when you're really stoned? Sometimes we're oftensibly working right now? Yeah, like I mean now, yeah, it's like actually one of the rare times now I

don't really work well stoned. No, It's like I I've tried to write well stoned, but it has to be a very specific like a lot of different planets have to align for me to be able to do that well, which I have done well, but like, no, not not all the time. I have really found that it's a good thing to do when you specifically need something that your high brain can provide. Like I like to get stoned if I'm like going in and doing punch ups

to make something funnier. Um, there was a specific kind of weed chocolate I was getting for a while that like really put me in that headspace. But mostly I just want to. Like in college a lot, my friend Katie and I would My school was on the upperast Side, so we would get really high and then take the bus through Central Park to the Upper West Side to the Natural History Museum and go to the Hall of Marine Life and then just lay down on the floor under the giant whale and just like be high for

a couple of hours. That was how we spent most of college. That's so fun. When when I was in college, my my stoner friend Carl Bergman, she was in this like all women like improv troop or whatever, and um, they would like put on like shows, and she did this one show called quever Madness That was like a series of sketches about weed and it was amazing. Rose like on, I know, like I you and I feel all type of way about like going to see like improv shows, you know what I mean? Like sing improv

shows is is is hard sometimes, but they're also madness. Wait, have you ever seen the movie Reefer Madness? The movie musical. It's actually so good and I believe it. I was obsessed with it in high school. I had a hyperfixination on it. And actually my same friend Katie, we used to call each other and sync up our screens to watch it a the same time. Kristen Bell's in it, one of the one of the things that early on made me into a little bell hop not a little

bell hop. Um and um Nev Campbell's in it, and her brother Christian Campbell, who's gay question Mark, he's the lead in it, and um on your gas Dire's in it. It's so good, it's so funny. Oh my god, I'm sure. Also I haven't seen in a long time. I'm sure it's also really problematic. Problem Actually, I could already think

of like three different things from it. Okay, I am now thinking of like bad stoner movies in general, like um like Trolls too, because like it was like a stoner from like everyone in the movie theater was high when I went to see that. But like show Girls is kind of that, you know what I mean? Girls is a little intense to watch when you're really high. Yeah, I mean yeah, but I also famously don't like show Girls. Yeah,

you hate show Girls. I think is that there's a little skew there, but like, but validly t I think it's like one of those movies or like the Teeth, yeah, or like Tommy Wi those The Room, like these movies that I'm like that I wouldn't want to watch those when I was high. But you've seen them, right, you know what. I've never seen The Room. I've never seen The Room either. I don't really I have no desire to.

But I've seen Teeth, but I don't. I don't consider Teeth a stone or movie, but it but Teeth is like so bad. It's one of those like extremely terrible movies. I actually think Teeth is like kind of a good horror movie. Wait, really, yeah, I've never seen it. Oh No, I think it's like it's good. It's about a girl and it's about a girl who has vaginad tata, she has her vagina and she I mean a sexual violence and like her getting revenge on men by cutting their

dicks off. My god, seriously, yeah, I didn't realize it was a sexual violence film. Well, wow, maybe I'll have to watch it. Maybe but not stone Oh my god, wait, I need to answer your question. So um, I did think I remembered that I pretty much exclusively watch Housewives. Don't. I feel like it's not fun sober, and it gets too dark because it's all their sterlines are so dark, now you know what I mean? Yeah, they need to

smoke more weed. Yeah they do. It's so true. Honestly, if they were drinking less vodka tonics and smoking more weed, it would be a much less watchable show. We changes your personality. I feel if you're doing it all the time, it changed my person I fully don't trust people who don't like smoking pot. That used to be me. I don't trust people who don't like weed, Like, why don't you like weed? It's with me? So now when I mean people that say, oh, we don't like smoking meat,

I pretty much almost always. It depends on what vibe they're giving. But I almost always assume, like, oh, you haven't smoked meed that you like yet, because saying you don't like weed is like saying you don't like wine. Like there's so many of varieties of weed, you know, the same way there's so many of the varieties of wine and different experiences and settings that you're in that make the circumstance of that weed bad or good to

you in that moment. It took me a long time to figure out that I could actually like actively search out strains that, you know, made me feel how I was trying to feel, rather than just you know, smoking or imbibing whatever I could get my hands on exactly, and including a regano. Have you ever been sold regano? Is it like record? Do people like smoking a regano? No, It's just it's just like looks kind of like weeds. People. People do it to scam people. Am I wonder if

I misremember it? So at um Muna's Halloween party, not not this year, about last year I was there with Ash. You were I can't remember what you were doing, and then um, I was like we were I was trying All of a sudden, I was trying to bump a cigarette. Like you know, when you're at a party and like it's outdoors, an outdoor party, and you're just like everyone's smoking. You're like, I really want a cigarette right now. And so I looked at Josette and I was like, hey,

can I bums? Because they I saw they were smoking, and I I said, hey, can I get a cigarette? And she turned to me and she was like, um oh, there are Regano cigarettes. Like we're quitting. And I was like, I hate Los Angeles, Like give me out of here. Yeah, you can buy like herbal cigarette. Hey that did you ever have a period of smoking clothes? I feel like that's very indus So that's disgusting. No, I like definitely like smoked a lot of clothes cigarettes at Webster Hall.

At one point in my life, I had a cigarette recently that was yogurt flavored. Yes, they were from Tokyo. My friend had just recently gone. They were like creamy. It didn't even taste, yes, it was delish. It didn't taste and it didn't taste like a flavored yogurt. It tasted like it tasted like plain non fat yogurt, and it tasted like creamy and tangy. Um. Speaking of weed food, yes, um, what's your favorite? Like, do you are you a gummy girl?

Are you a cookie girl? Or you a brownie girl? Definitely? Definitely gummies, Definitely things that are crunchy. Definitely ice cream. What about you? Gummies are the easiest. I used to love making brownies in college and like in in my twenties. Actually I had a I had a roommate once. He was like this random guy who moved in with my old friend and I and we made weed brownies one weekend and he we we all like my friend and I knew to eat one each. He ate the whole

plate of them and disappeared for two days. We could not get in touch with him, and like I truly thought he was dead. Oh my god. And then he just showed up on the third day and was like, Hey, that's like so unnerving, Like you can die, can't you die? I don't know that you could o d from weed? Really well, how how would it happen? I don't know, Like your body with I don't know. No, I don't think so it's natural from the ground. From the ground. There's nothing in the ground that can get herb. Do

you think that people can be addicted to weed? No, I mean like on its side, Like, no, the term addiction doesn't apply to weed. I think that the medical a medical addiction can't like you can't get medically needed to weed. But I think to feared dependencies, yes, that are pretty much akin to addictions. Yes, absolutely is weed a gateway drug? Mm hmm, No, I don't think so what about what do you think? I mean maybe, but

I think any drug can be a gateway drug. I it definitely is the first drug I tried, and once I was smoking weed a lot, I felt more you know, adventurous. But I don't know doing drugs is a gateway drugs. I was just about to say, like the term gateway drug is actually like so dated, like literally the first drug that you do is the gateway drug. That is

a range of drugs. And listen, gen Z, these like maybe our generation, like you know, we always try weed first or whatever, but like gen Z, like these girls are doing molly, you know what I mean, Like we saw euphoria. Okay, they don't even like smoke weed on euphoria though, They're like there's like we're kind of it's like weed is too boring. It was just like um

uh narcotics. It is crazy to me sometimes, like when I'm like standing on the street, like as we were just twenty minutes ago, standing on the street smoking and joint and thinking that Like when I was younger, I was so terrified of being found smoking weed in public and thought I was so slick, Like we used to um smoke in a phone booth, like bring a bring a bowl out to a phone booth on Third Avenue and just like smoke around it and we're like, no

one knows what we're doing. My parents, it's very obvious what you're doing, literally, like they're like everyone, a lot of people in my neighborhood, but especially my parents were like, Maje, you so deathly scared of getting hot smoking weed, Like it's as if you killed someone, you know what I mean? Well you could and I have and you have killed a lot of people while stoned, because is a recreational activity that you like to do. What other drugs do you? Like?

I mean, I love um kindamine. Yeah you and you were a coke girl. I never was, or if I was, it was for a very short time. Yeah, Yeah, I love I love coke. It makes me feel bad, but that's because it comes with a certain culture, and the people you do coke with are usually like not amazing people, if that makes sense, Yeah, which is why I usually just I was a big psychedelic girl, you know, like I like hippie vibes. You know. That's like I think the weed thing. Love acid. You used to love acid.

You used to love and do a lot of acid, but haven't done it in a long time. I never liked mushrooms. I have no ideal acids. Like, I really want to try acid. I mean, the thing that's cool about acid is that it actually changes the world around you and you see things that aren't there, and I never felt that is very cool. I'm so scared to do that. But I also want to do ayhuasca. Um So I don't really want to puke. Oh I'm a big I'm a big drug puker though, But that's a

good thing. The puking is good. It's part of the ceremony. Like when I did coke a lot for like a couple months, I would always puke, but it would be at the beginning of the night. It was like something that I had to get out of the way, like puke on the way to a party and then just be fine. We do have to admit there are some drawbacks of smoking weed, like cotton mouth, which my mouth is very dry right now. Cotton yeah, yeah, that does suck.

It also makes you anxious, makes me anxious. Bloodshot eyes, oh yeah, yeah, I need to bring eye drops everywhere. Honestly, I love the smell of weed, though uh yeah, I guess I do too. I like the smoke, I don't like. I don't love the smell, Like I don't smoke in my house. I know you don't smoke in your house, and you know what, that is your That is your choice.

I honestly just like, I don't like the idea of my house smelling like weed in any regard when someone walks into it, because like you know who, Like I've been into a stoner's house, you know, and like it's like seeped into it's just like come, It's just because it's like in every part of the apartment. It's like, um, it's like when you walk into an apartment, You're like, Wow, someone definitely just ejaculated in here. And I love that smell sex in the air. I don't care. I love

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