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Drew Barrymore. Literally, the girls, the girl, not the dolls, but the girls. You're about to say the dolls. They are the dolls, and that There were a series of dolls that were released when Charlie's Angels became a culture phenomena, of course, and I definitely had to buy them in secret and keep them in a shoebox in my closet. I wasn't allowed to have dolls. That was like me with the season six box set of Will and Grace, I had to hide back to season six specifically I owned.

I owned no other seasons. It was just the one that was on sale at borders. I think that is such a great depiction of our like hit and queerness of children. We're actually doing this episode because during our come Dump episode someone said we should do Charlie's and we thought that that actually deserved its own full episode. So absolutely here we are. Don't ever say absolutely again. So here we were to talk about it because this is like a Virgin the show where we give yesterday's pops.

This is like a virgin show. Oh my god, I'm going to get through it because this is like a Virgin the show where were Fred. I need you to leave the room getting this intro. This is like a Virgin the show we give yesterday's pop culture, today's takes. I'm ros damn you and I'm and I'm fr in Toronto and we are Independent Women Part sixty nine. Absolutely and very absolute. I get to say absolutely will kill you.

I was finally granted something I've been wishing for for months or years, because that's how long it seems that the current season of Drag Race has been on. Finally we got a double elimination, although I still could have used a triple. Yeah, I mean a triple would have been Landmark TV. And I also still think they all should be eliminated. Yes, of course, of course, and including Willow Hill, including Willow. Wow, I mean listen, I actually

thought her performance on this episode was good enough. I honestly felt like this like wasn't really the episode for a double elimination, Like I kind of felt like Georgia was terrible but tried and maybe should have been safe. But like the roasts are always just you know, unwatchable. Yeah, and I think the double elimination we're supposed to understand

is just like a consequence of the chocolate bar. Oh yeah, of course they got to get them out somehow, because they keep talking about like, oh my god, we're almost at the end and there's still twelve of them left. I love how even the queens, in a very meta element of the show, are like when are these girls going to get eliminated? Like even the queens are frustrated that, like the girl four years, it's been eighty four years, but alas we now have two eliminations. Wait, who even

won this life? It wasn't Willow who won this challenge? Oh Bosco? Who? Yeah? Was fine? The best was the best roast? Truly, Like a roast is not my well, if we're talking about a roast honey um, a Sunday roast in you know, London, England. Absolutely, get me the Yorkshire pudding, get me the blood sausage. I want to eat all of it um with a Scotch egg on the side. No, I do not like roast challenges. I

think none of these girls are usually very funny. I also want to know what they are not allowed to say, because you know, no one made a fracking joke. I know that would certainly be my first thing. I'm curious to know, like what material is cleared and what you have to improvise because when we think of in drag Race, hisstory the worst roast of all time, which was queen like, there's no I just forgot about Utica, which I would like to go back to, and we'll go back to

as soon as we finished. God, okay, drag Race will end eventually, and as soon as it does, three more seasons will start. It's it's truly like the hydra um of of of Greek mythology. One is defeated and three more spring from its head, speaking of something that honestly last way too long for its own good. The Grammys were the last night as of the day of this recording,

all alleges have seen no proof that they happened. Um. I still at the first I heard that they were happening was like when we were still in the thick of the slap discourse this week, and I was like, there's no way that there's another big award show happening this week, and according to you, it is true. I

still I still um am suspicious. Yes, I'll give you um maybe at least one highlight, which is that Doja and Sissa an Award for kiss Me More, which is like I think pop level, and it was Doja's first Grammy, and Dojo was late to her receiving of the Grammy because she was taking up his, and so she ran on stage and got up to the mic and was like, that was like the fastest piss I've ever taken in

my entire life. And it's so funny because as Sissa was like ascending the stage, like Gaga like pulled out her train for her and like arranged her train, there was like just a big, weird celebrity energy around this. Yeah, I know, it was like the most Gaga, like I'm just a subservient, like humble actress, like you know whatever, um, but like it was this big explosive moment um that just made Doja like so so adorable. And it was also just as a clip, like a complete emotional roller

coaster because you're like, siss, it's going up, where's Doja? Wait? What's going on? Doja so funny? And then Scissors says something, and then Doja just bursts into tears and like crumbles on stage and a really artful and beautiful way. It made me so happy for her as an artist, as someone who is like so genuinely herself. That song produced by Dr Luke probably probably um but anyways, I I appreciated it as like maybe a key moment from the night.

Along with a few Gaga performances, she performed Yes, She performed for her album Love for Sale with Tony Bennett. She did this song. It was more of like a slow tribute that like played images of Tony Bennett in the background as if it was like in Memoriam. Even though I gotta see this, I think we might need to do a live reaction right now. Let me go

to pop Crave No, it'll be there. It's funny. It's an in memorium even though Tony Bennett is still alive, still alive, but it's like an in memoriam of like, oh, Tony, you can't perform anymore, but I can. Oh. Here pictures of her with little nots X love. Here's a little clip of her grooving to Justin Bieber. She was really doing a lot of the Grammys, wasn't She was getting selfies for everyone. Okay, Okay, here I found I found it. I'm just watching the whole thing. It's a two minutes long.

It's giving a little Yeah, she and Kim should do an album together. Okay, this is I mean, it's good, but it's also kind of like because it's at the Grammys, it's like, Mom, why are you embarrassing me? Yeah? I mean, I love how much energy she put into it. And I also just I mean, I just like, lol, I was stoned when I watched her last night, so I was like lolling the whole way through. I just love how emphatic and like just Billy is a stan um.

In terms of the fashions from last night, I mean, Oskaga, like we've seen before, she's giving like classic Hollywood stars wearing Tiffany blue because you know, she's like a Tiffany ambassador or whatever. I'm not sure if you saw Biber wore this like oversized Balencia. Yeah, it was. It was you know, giving like I shop in the big and tall section. The tailoring was like not right. I saw a couple of looks on TikTok and that was one of them. It's it's I mean, it's fine. It's no

Gaga oversized sup moment. That's what I was gonna say. I think Gaga had what he wanted. And then Billy kind of wore a better version of what she wore to the Oscars. Like I loved her garment, but it also just looked a lot like what she wore to the Oscars in terms of like shape and vibe. I saw Crew Crazy Tigan's huge pink gown. It's like, Babe, this is the Grammys. This is not the Oscars, and

you're not invited to the Oscars. And also fashion is having a moment with this, like think pink like this this funny because of that Valentino where they did all pink yes, and like a lot of these girls are wearing fuchia on the red carpet and I just like, I mean, this is just my personal taste, but I just don't like this kind of pink. But you know who did show all the way up on the red carpet was Joni Mitchell mother. She was yes, she presented

an a word and she looked stunning. You should google her outfit. It's very cute. This beret so cute. She's so cute. Oh my god, I love her. Okay, have you been listening to anything fun this weekend? Music wise this weekend? I on Saturday Saturday morning, I was finishing a book and listened to Image and Heat for three hours, which like, send help, but this is Image and Heat. Playlist on Spotify has a lot of the music from the Harry Potter play because I don't know if you

know that she did all the music for it. Wait I did not know that. Yeah, so skip a lot of that. Oh god, that sounds. I had no idea that she did the Harry Potter musical Secrets of Dumbledore in theaters next Friday. Oh my god, we will be at the theater, maybe there with poppers, with Poppers in full costume. You'll be just as s as Rita Skeeter. Oh god. Um, Okay, I was listening to the you imagining yourself in full Skeeter Gar Skeeter Gar. But maybe

that's what I should start wearing. Gonna go into the office is just rita Skeeter Cosway now, so it would work? Yeah, oh oh yeah, it absolutely would. You'd have to go even blonder, I feel, but the horn rimmed glasses. I do want to get new glasses. Um, what have you been listening to? I listened to Miley's live album that she released. Oh how was that? It was a complete and utter surprise. I loved it like I had. Are you a Miley Girl? Not really? I have like a

huge love for her as a vocalist. I think her her voice is so beautiful and singular, and I just don't feel like there's a lot of people doing what she does as a rock vocalist. Um, but I didn't thoroughly consume all of Miley's discography like I I mean, unfortunately, it's the Malibu album. No, it's the Malibu album. I'm I'm I'm a I'm a sucker. I met arguably her

worst album. See. But here's the thing, though, is and I don't I don't necessarily I would never claim that this is like Miley's best era or Miley's best genre, but as an artist of many genres who is typically thought of as a pop artist, first, I do love when she goes super hard on rock and country, and like, I guess that's why I loved Younger. Yeah, I mean

that definitely. I think was her going back to her country roots after being scorned from society and then Plastic Hearts, the album that she released in I think like she finally figured out who she is as an artist, like, and that is rock and roll. I completely and totally agree. Like I'm kind of I mean, I want Miley to be whatever she wants to be, but I'm like praying that she stays like in this kind of like rock pop hybrid because does she does she revisit any of

her like does she on the live album? Does she revisit like bangers stuff through that lens? Yes? She does, And that's kind of like what made the the live

album as a whole so satisfying to me. Apparently, she constructed the track list of this concert with her fans, so the track list comprised of like all of her most requested or most beloved covers or songs, and so you know, you get bangers and um Wrecking Ball Party in the USA, but you also get Edge of seventeen Janice Joplin's Maybe, which is my favorite track on the live out. Did she do the Climb? She did do

the Climb? Oh my god. The Climb is the song that if it comes on while I'm driving, it's like the volume goes up, the windows go up, and I do a full Grammy nominated performance. I love the Climb so much. Did she do See You Again? She did? So. She did really good um, for lack of a better term, mash ups or rather like two like this half and half songs where the song was one half bang bang allah and and it started out as like bang bang I Shot You Down, and then it went into see

You Again, which was like so well done. And she also did a kind of mashup of Wrecking Ball and Shanat O'Connor's nothing Come Hairs to You. Seven Things, Yes, God, Oh my god. I love Seven Things, Joline. I mean that Jolene covered that she did I think it was itself by Southwest. Like that to me is like what I remember as the moment that like truly decontextualized Miley

from being Hannah Montana. I think more more even than like the like tongue out like the like I truly think, at least maybe not in more mainstream pop culture, but I think for people who pay attention to the Internet, that's the moment when we were like, oh, right, like she's actually talented, Yeah exactly, and like, you know, Miley is always going to be the tongue out like artists

that does things like solely for shock value. But I think her love of like artistic shock value is because she's such a student of pop and of old school rock artists that thrived on shock value in like a pre ancelo culture era did Like a Prayer. Her cover of Like a Prayer literally brought a tear to my eye. I am not joking. I was in my car smoking and bibing out and like tearing up because it's so soulful and well done in terms of like the truck

lists as a whole. Like Unfortunately, though I liked a lot of it, her rendition of Bangers is maybe the least interesting kind of reinterpretation of her songs. It's like a little messy and all over the place, but her, but four by four, which starts out with this like really hard and fast country drumline, is so like I

was just in it. That was the moment where I was like, I am in this live album and like as a whole belonged to me, belonged to like a cannon of live albums that you know, we went on to love, like Joni Mitchell's like Mile of Aisles, or Um the Rolling Stones live album, Madonna's Confessions Tour live album exactly, which is, like, you know, one of miley stavorite artists. I I definitely need to listen to it, like right after this. I honestly, Miley is kind of

one of my favorite girls. I have consistently really liked every era of her music. I think that, like, even though I'm not necessarily as familiar as you are with with Miley's, this kind of compilation really solidified for me the same thing that she is like definitely one of my girls. Like I understood like the ethos behind her music so much more by way of the rock that

she loves. And I felt like in this album specifically that her vocals and the way she did every song, which every single song has produced like a classic rock song. I did feel all of the ways that she is in the legacy of you know, rock artists like Jane Jet or whatever the rolling. It's also amazing that she's been so prolific that at such a young age. I mean, obviously she started out very young, but that at such a young age now she can look back at her

discography and do something like this. And you know, we see people I think revisit their old work a lot, but I think figuring out the right lens for it once you've, as Miley has done, found the thing that

feels the most like real to who she is. It's cool to then see her go look back at her you know, very long career and reinterpret it with this new understanding of who she is as an artist and exactly and she says something to that effect on the live album They have like her concert banter in the album as well, and like she talks about how she's had to try on so many different identities and obviously Miley has made her fair share of mistakes and like

the cultural appropriation of it all all and others, but every woman in music has to reinvent themselves like every other year, Like it's just it's a product of the oppression and a product of you know, usually women having to come up when they're extremely young and still figuring out who they are. So I'm happy to see where Miley has arrived, and I don't know, that just made me love her a whole lot. Same so I saw on TikTok someone who I follow, Sativa Diva, who is

really funny. You should check them out, talking about art Flag Means Death, which is a new comedy pirate show on Atrio Max. I would say that it's like falling into place with a lot of these other historical retellings that have like contemporary humor and dialogue. What I had heard was that it was very gay, and so I was like, Okay, I can either do my quarterly rewatch the Pirates of the Caribbean, or I could, you know, try out like half hour series about gay pirates. I

watched the first episode. I thought it was fine. I just wasn't that interested. Maybe we'll we'll give it like another episode or two to get me interested. I don't know. I watched the first fifteen minutes or so before my takeout arrived, but I I appreciated the humor. It felt very smart to me. It reminded me of like the British Office or like a kind of I don't know,

like almost like a mumble core comedy. It's a little Flight of the Conchords, know, yeah, but that the humor is clearly very smart, and I liked that that humor is in place in a period drama about pirates. But yeah, it didn't immediately grab me. Maybe because there are no stars, well no women and no women, Oh my god, I didn't even notice. But that says a lot about me, No doesn't it does because you don't see women. I don't, well women shouldn't you us right now are looking at

a floating pair of headphones. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And Mike that's it. But yeah, I mean, we should watch the second episode together. I think it's it's not an understatement to say that Charlie the first Charlie's Angels, which the year two thousand, which is really started the new Millennia literally, and he was a bomb shell of early odds culture in a crazy way, an explosion, especially especially since which I didn't realize this until after. So I

watched both films in quarantine for the first time. Basically I have loose memories of seeing it in the background. My mom and sister watched it and really loved it. Um. But they went and saw it without me, I think in theaters the first time because you weren't allowed because I was like not or they were just like you know,

girl time and I was like sand on girls. Um. But like it literally was a a landmark moment in early odds culture and encapsulates so many things that were like important to the early Odds, like with the Well. First of all, it was directed by mcge which I didn't realize who was the director of like smash Mouth music videos and corn famous music video director, which is like also you know, very early odds culture. But I think without Charlie's angels, Like without Charlie's angels, we don't

get things like we don't get juicy guitar. No, we don't get the simple life. Honestly, all three of these women they were already stars, but they ascended in this movie. This is what turned them into They were actresses. This made them stars. This made them stars. It made them household names. I mean, they were already stars, but it was like almost like ascension into like a list. They were like they were like the actress version of the

Spice Girls. Yeah. And also like, I mean the Destiny's Child in this movie Independent Woman Part one Wow, And that the music video isn't the Destiny's Child music video Charlie's Angels themed, or like, well, I mean the music

the song was written for the movie. But this was back in the day when I like that, like the song that was packaged with the movie was important in a way that wasn't just like Oscar Baby, Um, and I will okay, I guess to back up, like um, for the Virgin, we're getting ahead of our We're getting ahead of ourselves, are get ahead ourselves? Are just so excited, so excited for the Virgins. You know, the plot of

these movies are actually not that important. Well, I guess maybe let's let's even before that set the cultural context of Charlie. The Charlie's Angels film franchise, which started in the year two thousand, was a movie reboot of the classics seventies TV show Charlie's Angels about a trio of superspy women. Super spy women. They're basically like a trio of privately owned like Lady Cops. Let's not say that they're owned. They are literally owned by Charlie. Hen work

for him. No, they literally are owned by him. This movie is I mean, we'll get into it. We'll get into it. Actually. So it's about a trio of women who work for a man named Charlie who they do not know. He only communicates with them through a voice box and his proxy Bosley, and they solve crimes through use of like gadgetry and disguises, lots of sony and the hallmark of the original series, which I've actually never seen, was they used guns, but in the rebooted movies they

only use their fists and their wits. It's full handhand come, lots of kicking and the court. The fight corio is amazing in this movie, like and also a lot. They all did a lot of their own stunts like they were they were on wires down. It was this was like Matrix. I think this is because Matrix right after, So this is definitely a post Matrix movie. Um, it was spoofing Matrix in this in both movies, I don't

think it was. It was like in conversation, it references moments from the Matrix, But I don't think it's spoofing it. There are moments that lift tropes from the Matrix and put them into the Charlie's Angels movies in a in a very knowing way. It's supposed to be like that,

I think. I think it's like more that it is happening in the same time of film history, and it's like lifting literally like the way they were doing special effects at the time, Like the Matrix was the peak of what we had in terms of like c G I, and this is maybe like a filtered down version and following the Matrix, everyone wanted to be like the Matrix. Like everyone wanted action scenes like the Matrix. Everyone wanted to like be that. So yeah, that makes sense. So

let's give like a basic plot overview. Although I think these movies are more about vibes than plot. These movies are really disinterested in plot, and also like just rules of conflict are like totally thrown out the window, Like they abandoned plots fully. It's like about jokes, which I really appreciate actually, um, but yeah, the first movie, Bosley basically briefs the girls and he's like, there's this tech

bro and his technology was stolen. You have to like rescue him and then figure out where his technology was stolen. And they guess at the very beginning that it's this like evil girl who's like his accomplice or whatever, and they guessed right, and she ends up kind of being the bad girl along with she's kind of like she's like a side character. I would not say she's the villain. She is. She her and her and there are in a romantic relationship, but she's like she's an accomplice. She's not.

She's not the girl in the way that that you know, Demi Moore is the girl in se That's true, that's sure. Yeah, she's a little secondary um, but yeah. And then and then the plot that follows is really actually like completely nonsensical. They just basically like fight and seduce men over and over again to kind of find these little clues along the way before they, you know, it becomes known to them that they're being set up and the whole the whole mission was a set up to find Charlie and

kill him. Yes, and I would say it's not so much a seduction as a titilation. Um. They definitely they weaponize their sensuality more than their sexuality, you know, I think let's let's start with that because I want I'm not sure. I'm not sure about like I feel like this movie. Um well, okay, I'll ask you first. What is your relationship to Charlie's Angels aside from the dolls? Yeah, well I loved I saw the movies when they came out,

loved them, was like consumed everything I could about them. Um, you know they are I think of this era some of my favorite movies. Yeah, and the movies that are like horrendously problematic and yet you will rewatch them over and over again, like they really are in my opinion that good, having as someone who watched them recently, not

really like at the time they came out. They're very of their time, yes, yeah yeah, um, But like on the sensuality of it all, it's really interesting because the original seventies show was like, you know, the the biggest the reason it was such a hit, or the first season was a hit until fair Face that left it, Um, was because it was just like women and like scantily clad clothing, solving crimes and stuff like that, and like their whole like it actually was a part of like

an era of what they called jiggle television, which is like The Bay Watches and The Wonder Woman's of the World, where like it was just like watching women in like tight clothing, you know, jump around in like solve crimes or whatever or like be kind of badasses and I And so when they redid it in two thousand, they kind of almost like they really borrowed from that that kind of like that part of the appeal and then made it kind of like self aware and funny and

and weird at times, Like it's a very like Zany movie, you know what I mean, Like all three of them are giving like cartoon totally. I think a lot of reboots that we have today are really hard reboots where they take the like essence of something but really place it in the modern era. And I think what Charlie's Angels did really well and that actually radiated out to the culture was brought a very seventies sensibility along with

I guess like the framework of the story. And I would say that Charlie's Angels kind of jump started like a sort of seventies revive liable in pop culture that we're now seeing again because of like the twenty or trendcycle. Um like like this is kind of around the same

time as like Madonna's Um music albums Boston Powers era too. Yeah. Okay, yeah, well that was like maybe that was more like late nineties, but it's yeah, it's kind of all the same time, and we're now also seeing that seventies revival happening now

in fashion and like kind of in music too. There's something really interesting to me about like how the girls like sexuality plays into the movie, and I think that there is a big dissonance between what the writer's intents were and how we actually consume it, you know, especially in because this movie was written by three white guys, and a lot of the things that happened to the girls are products of like a male imagination, like like shaking your ass for no one and being like a

bimbo to like the mail guy being like, oh yeah, you can put the package in my slot, you know, or like I mean, they're constantly naked for no reason. There's like tons of like camera angles on their body for no reason, and like and then a majority of the steps that they take in the first movie to solve the plot involve them seducing men or tricking them into you know, like using their basically how hot they are.

What I mean when I say that, I think it's more like like um sensuality than sexuality, And I don't really see it a seduction. Is that Like, yes, I agree that this movie very much like is the male gaze is all over it, but it's like it's more like bending over a car to show your tips than like giving someone a lap dance. Like there there it

is like a very wink wink. It's horny, but I don't think it fucks yeah, it's it's horny too comical degree, like they these women are comedically hot, like the number of times they like take off their helmet to like swish their hair or whatever, like it's hilarious. And I think, actually, like part of it is that these women are such stars that like their charisma, unique servan talent kind of overpowers the male gaze of the directors and the writers a little bit. And what it is is they were

in on the joke. They were in on the joke that like a lot of women in a way that a lot of women in film don't always get to be when the film is about the male gaze. Yeah, and I think that they took what we're extremely underwritten characters, right, Like the movie has like no brain And I don't say that in a pejorative way, like I like no brain culture. I love idiot culture, like I like consuming

movies that are that easy. But like I totally agree that, like these women are so have nothing going on in their inner lives and and then they all have like you know, little dating montages where they have like boy problems. I have nothing to do with the plot, but the three stars in this movie fill in so many blanks with their performances and with the like very like singular and like totally off the cuff wacky things that they do in terms of like acting choices that are just

like endlessly fun to watch, especially Drew. I mean, Cameron is also just like such a cartoon but like Drew to me is like the Cameron is. It's really funny now looking back on it and the like who these women are in pop culture now because Cameron is very obviously the star of these movies, like she has the

center position. But I think because of these movies, like these women all got on the like the same level of fame after these movies, and it's just interesting to see where their careers have gone now where, Like Cameron ds doesn't act anymore. She has like a wine company. M Drew is a talk show host. And Lucy does TV TV and lesbian art. What does she do on TV? She's on was on I don't know if it's still on the air. She was on the Sherlock Holmes TV

show Elementary. Yes, but if you also just google Watson, if you google like Lucy lou like painting or whatever she has, Like so she's several pieces of extremely sapphic art and I love What I love about um these movies is like these girls are best friends because of them in a real way. And like when Drew launched her TV show, they all reunited for an interview where Cameron was like, c G, I'd in wait was she really was this pandemic times or something? Or oh that sucks?

I forgot about that. Yeah, I just I feel like, I mean, I don't want to get into the reboot yet, Like I mean the reboot reboot the Kristin Stewart one, but like I think it's a lot of what that one lacked is that these three women were arrived like stars, and then what they did with like a kind of

you know, very male. Script was like so sublime and like completely I don't know, transformative, Like if we had gotten different actresses, like if it had been Thanny Newton instead of Lucy lu which is like I just like it would have been different, you know what I mean. Cameron Diaz, I mean like she played kind of a

very similar character. And the sweetest thing like this was these were roles that were interesting to her that she wanted to do something with and like Lucy Lou and like something like um, kill Bill or whatever, Like she's sucking smart and she knows like what she can do with like a complex like role about a woman that

like you know, is like a badass or whatever. I also said about something recently that um something was like post Spice Girls, girl power, and like this movie is very that And that's why they're in on the joke, because this was a time in pop culture where there was like a mainstream movement of female empowerment that was like a little shallow um but still existed, and this movie definitely feels like a byproduct of that. Even though this was like one of the most successful movies of

the year. Two Bounds and like the movie was critically like made fun of, like immensely, like people like I knew it was very dumb, and I think that like people liked to exactly what you said. I think people caught onto that component of it, but we didn't care. And I think that rewatching it now in there are there are a lot of tropes in it that are actually more resonant to the way we talk about and

enjoy things now. The things that we find funny are somewhat even funnier now in terms of like I think I'm thinking specifically of the bimbo ifacation of like are you know internet talk right now and how we're identifying as bimbos on TikTok and on Instagram or whatever. We're reclaiming this like kind of sexuality because it's like bimbo for it's like bimbos for the consumption of bimbos, not

for the consumption of men. And so it almost is like when you're watching this movie, they're not giving to the performance to the men, you know what I mean, Like that's kind of what it feels like. It's like there's a zane nous too, especially someone like Drew Barrymore in the movie where that doesn't feel sexy, it feels knowingly comedic and like totally in her own kind of

like power. And I think it's also just like another layer that they're exploiting the idiocy and horny nous of men for their benefit, you know, like theyre they know how to kind of like usurp the situation. It's it's kind of like the perfect storm. Like I think the planet's really aligned on this one, and if maybe one thing had been off, it just would not have worked.

As like you kind of seeing the sequel, which, like I love Charlie's Angels full throttle, it's definitely not as good of a movie and it's like much more of a so bad it's good kind of movie. Um. In the sequel, you have Demi Moore as um, a fallen angel, you know, she's like a former angel who turns out to be the villain. And the I think it's just um two it's like to self aware or no. I think maybe like the first one is more self aware and the second one is like buying into its own

bullshit a little bit. I think for me, it's like there's an off the rails nous in the first movie that was so rewarded that they kind of take it too far. In the second movie, they really discard the audiences intelligence, you know what I mean. It's like the plot really doesn't matter. In the second one. You know some I mean great visual moments like Demi Moore with the surfboard is so hot. I've some great lines for

saying I was never good. I was great. Yeah, there are a lot of good lines in both of the movies. I remember one of I can't remember the name of the villain lady in the first movie, but she says like, don't send a man to do a woman's job. Like they're just lots very like the the whole thing of the movie. Yeah, I loved In the first movie, there's this moment where Lucy is like, for some reason unknown to me, there's a company that hires her as a

like an efficiency expert. When she walks into Baraco. Oh my god, that is like one of the hottest things that I've ever been captured on films. With the riding crop and with Cameron Diaz Andrew Barrymore behind her in Drag also early Melissa McCarthy McCarthy is is and not um. She has like three lines. There's like a lot of weird like um, you know, kind of pre famous people

like Shyla Buff's in the second one. Oh yeah, Crispin Glovers, the weird the um Tim Curry was famous at the time, but like he was in this, he was in the first one also put post or like I guess this was maybe during friends. Matt le Blanc, Ye, Matt la Honestly, Okay, here's the thing. Actually, there are a lot of I feel like Cameron Diaz, Matt le Blanc and Tim Curry are like a great treat of like idiot culture movies.

Like they kind of only do very movies that you have to like concede your own like cognitive thinking skills in order to enjoy. I don't I don't know if I I don't think I want you speaking on camera dias like that name a movie that wasn't um being John Malkovich that camera did that was like a prestige performance or in her shoes. Yeah, I mean that is a stunning the holiday shut the funk up, that is I mean, I'm not again I have to say when I say things are idiotic, that is a high compliment.

In my book, it feels judgment adult to me. No, no, no, I am an idiot. Rose, you know this, I know this. I don't know. I really pride myself on being a very smart idiot. I I like things that combine idiot culture and like things that you know, you can intellectualize. I mean, I do think we can take a moment to talk about the careers that these women have had.

Cameron Diaz, you know, was a movie star, Like she was one of the A list girls, you know, Drew she had already started her like ascent back into superstardom after her like you know, troubled teenage years. And I think actually Flower Films, her production company produced Charlie Angels. Yeah, she's probably like one of the engines that like this. She was asked after Elizabeth Banks decided she was going to do it, she was asked to be an executive

producer that makes sense us. And then Lucy she was a TV girl because she was on Ally McBeal, and then I think this was her big film breakthrough Allie mcbell. I've actually never seen Ally mcgeil. I used to watch it when my parents watched it. I mean it's like, you know, a weird law procedural. It was workplace where I thought it had like their disguises, they're no, no, no, yeah, it's about it's about a law firm and like everyone sleeping together. We thought it was about spies. Allie mcbell

who plays Ali again Callista Flockhart. That is not a name name. Say it again, Callista Flockhart. She's married to Harrison Force. It sounds like like you sneezed or something. Lista Flockhart and Jane kirk House also, um okay, since this is yesterday's pop culture with today's takes, we have to like briefly acknowledge that, like this movie is like egregiously racist, like these women. So first of all, I

mean I could do the laundry list. But like the opening, the opening scene is has like a great LLL cool J cameo where he like jumps Sado plane and like saves people from this bomb and then they land in the in this boat off of the plane and L cool J route takes off his mask to reveal himself to this movie was huge for boats, huge for boats, huge form white women pretending to be ethnicities that that end races that they're not huge for boats because then

Tom Green also later has a boat. Oh really and Tom Green? This was when Tom Green and Drew Barrymore were married. Oh Chad, right, Okay, yeah, okay, so that's like anyways, this L cool J moment is like the casting the first time, And again I have to say I'm like, I think I want to acknowledge these things, not because I'm like canceled. You're not allowed to enjoy this movie. As we always say, it's just like important that the context sticks to it when we like talk

about it. But like, I mean, they is there's a moment where they all dress up in kimonos and I think I'm turning Japanese plays on the soundtrack. There is a moment where Drew Barrymore is a literal brown face when they're all belly dancers, which also doesn't make why are the other two girls not in brown face? Like why was Drew was like like, I'm the one that's

gonna do this. I was so confused by that. Um there is just like there's a moment where Cameron Diaz gets on soul train and she starts dancing to anaconda and all the black people in the room were like, what's going on? And then they all sharing for no reason, which like I will never be mad about Cameron Diaz, like you know, dance sequence, but like why did the writers go out of their way to do this so many times? Also, is her love interest Luke Wilson or

Owen Wilson. I can never I can never figure out which one is. It's Luke and he's stunning. I think I like Owen more because of his big nose. Yeah, I mean yeah, as we've said before, Alan Wilson does have the quintessential shovel face. Anyways, a lot of things like that in the movie. Um, even honestly, well, I was going to say the Dominatrix thing is like a little fetishistic, but like, for the most part, it's just like the movie. No, it's just hot. It's just hot.

It is so hot. Come on, yeah, yeah, you're like, don't ruin everything. What I'm mostly trying to say is the movie was very evidently written by three white guys, three straight white guys. Actually, I think John August is gay, um, but he's like a dungeon and Dragon's gay, So I think that kind of says a lot. The fight scenes are very iconic, and they performed them all in like stiletto heels, so funny, so like another way that like that is something that really hits in twenty one. The

disguises that they wear are incredible and like iconic. They are Look, they are just so hot. They are so hot. The scene where they're at the race track, Oh my god, incredible, I mean each And in the second movie when they're in the like leader hosen dresses. Wow, yet another culture that they rading yodelers. Wait, no, that's in the first movie. Yeah, the first in the first way because Bill Murray, I

guess Bill Murray didn't return. That was them seducing another random guy by being like sexy leader house and girls that like spank each other and stuff. Again, like I just I loved it, but because of the bimbo thing. It's so good. But you know what, you know what I didn't love because it does not lean into the bim bonus of it all was the two thousand nineteen remake starring Kristen Stewart. And listen on this on this podcast,

This is a Christian Stewart stand podcast. We are Chrisbians, Um we lift Christin Stewart up in celebration even though you know we're down bad because she lost the Oscar. But the Charlie's Angels reboot that she started was a huge mega flop in in in industry terms, what we would call a huge mega flop dodo cock up cataclysmically um financially a loss for everyone involved. It's like, honestly, it's not even then, it's like offensively bad. It's just nothing.

It's boring, the worst thing it could be, worst thing, yes, yes, so boring. So it's like it actually maybe like a jump started girl Boss culture um like culture. It was the inciting incident. It's it's really I can't remember a single thing that happened in it, I when I tell you, And actually the only thing I can remember is the Verne Cox showing up at the end, which good for her. I hope the check cleared, like the final like that.

I don't really, I don't even remember. At the end, there's like a montage of all of the new angels that are like in an operation, and Laverne is one of them. I was very stoned when I watched the movie. But I I absolutely and this is no exaggeration, retained not one single moment, set piece, scene, plot point, character name, nothing. I saw an advanced press screening of it, and I

was just flabbergasted how bad it was. And I think, here, here's the thing, is that this is like a comment, this is a recurring theme on like a Virgin is like people set out to make reboots and they spend a hundred percent of their energy worrying about how they're going to fix the old thing instead of just making a good movie. Yeah, and that's what I think is great about the two tho movies. It's not trying to

fix there's no intention. I mean not to excuse all the egregiously like racist things, but like it's like it has no intention in doing no, it's just trying to be fun. Yeah, and it was. It was not stuff fun And like I think, you know, I personally think that that this has to be this is a director problem. Like I'm sorry Elizabeth Banks, like we're proud of you, but like this is this is a director problem. And as I kind of alluded to earlier, it's a casting problem.

Like I love case do, but this was not the role for her. I think she was fine. I don't know who, well, who were the other two specifically do you remember that was fine? What? What do you what did you retain that you thought so great? Where he was fine? I was just happy to be looking at her. But oh, that's an interesting answer. Do you remember you know, an outfit, a line, a moment, a motivation. Do you remember anything that Christian Stewart did in this I remember

there's a scene where she like flirts with some girl. Yeah, I remember, I actually don't. I probably completely misremembering this, but I remember her being kind of like a like a womanizing lesbian, like she's like she's giving the England in the Batman. But but literally, who were the other two women in this movie? That's the thing that was the problem is like they were there was no charisma,

unique as a rman talent. Yes, I want to know who the other girls on deck were, because these girls are I'm sorry, nobody's no one has ever heard of these other two women. And then like, we commend you for like inclusive casting, but we how can we commend it if it didn't even if it if none of

that translate inclusively cast better actress. Yes, there's so many other amazing women that could have been in this movie that we're stars and I really do feel like because the plot isn't that important, the movie necessitates stars and so like Christian Stewart, in my opinion, is like the right direction. Like she's someone who can be in action

and like she can play a badass. And I like that they made the character like a lesbian or by two, but like it was unspecified and specified, which is so annoying, Like that's so toothless. Um but like she's not Christmas Ward's not funny. She's not funny. She's not she's the most she's an incredible actress, but she's not funny. Yes, yes, exactly, and and and she does not and she does not have the kind of presence that you know, Drew Cameron

and Lucy had. But I will say, if there's one thing this movie did get right, is that they really fed the rnators. Okay, oh my god, that song with with um Ari Lana and Miley and Miley, Oh my god, the only like semi good thing to come out of this movie. And even still that song is like and not great. Ari executive produced the soundtrack, which is why she's on five of the songs, on on one of the songs. Okay, yeah, but this, so it's kind of

a Dr Luke production as well. Yeah, but um, you know the movie in that music video is just so stupid. It's like one of these things is not like the other. She's like it's like the music video takes a xan X and she appears and I love Lana. I am a Laana Neator. I thought a lot of was I thought a lot of I thought Lana was kind of good in that in the in the song too, from what I remember, but I mean, honestly, it was it

was during a weird era for Lana. It was during the honeymoon period, which I you know, should have been one of the other girls, honestly. Okay, So when when this movie is inevitably when Charlie's Angels is rebooted again in another you know, twenty years, I think we should write the script and it should be an all male reboot. Did you know that they literally actually tried to make an all male reboot of Charlie's Angels in the seventies.

I didn't. Yeah, Um, isn't just like James Bond Charlie's Angels and all males literally every act movie is an all male reboot. The Kingsman. So when we make it, when we make it in twenty all of the angels are non binary, one of them the one of them is non binary, one of them is transfem. Yeah, it has to be two different kinds of nonminarya and then one of them is I think we need assist. We need assist person to you know, ground everyone, because two

non binary people aren't going to get anything done. Okay, sis lesbian um who's starring at it? Well, let's think of like famous children, so be non binary. Blue Ivy Carter is one of them. Oh Blue would and you know, because we got to keep the girls young. Well, let's say for the sake of the exercise that the reboot's happening now. Okay, so we're making it today. We're making a new Charlie's Angels. They're bimbos. The gotta all be bimbos. Okay, So one of them is Addison Ray. Okay, Addison Ray,

Willow Willow Smith, you think, but can Willow act? Probably? Can she be funny? Okay? Maybe we need a bigger what about Oh I was if you said, okay, hunter shape for Hunter could be funny, I was going to actually say trace less at Sidney Sweeney. Sydney Sweeney. Okayney Sweeney is the the Cameron, but she's not the center. Okay, no, no, she's also playing lesbian. Okay. I was gonna say, Synda, we'll just do the cast of Euphoria. No, no, no, I actually don't think Hunters right for them. No, I

don't think so either. I think she's also she could be funny, but she's not funny enough. I think it's because I want this to be an action comedy. Mikaela j is actually such a funny person and we didn't really get to see that in Pose as much. And I feel like MJ has like a a quanky something. You know. Who I would actually rather have is um Hayley, who played Lulu on Pose. I kind of think that she I has some comedic chops and I think I would love to see her do action and she is

maybe like the seductress of the group. Yeah, honestly, does that mean Harry's going to be Bosley? Harry is just gonna appear in every reboot we try, and and then I think we do need a woman in Stem as the as like the third as the third girl. Yeah, actually, one of the Angels should be a fag. She's one of the girls, you know. Yeah it's or No, Actually, I think a Bosley should be a fag. Bosley is played by Neil Patrick Harri. I like the idea, but of a fag doing it, but after Neil did the Matrix,

I don't don't want him. Not Neil, don't fag cast in anything ever again. Um. I think Bosley is like Sandra Oh or like Tracy Allows. Santra Oh is a very good boss. Yeah yeah, yeah, I really feel that for her after like killing Eve, like I can, I can get into that. Actually, I also think Bowen would be a good boss. Bone would be an amazing Bossley, but I feel like Bowen should actually be the villain. Bowen should be the villain. Bowen should be the villain.

Or I think Bowen is like not the final boss villain, but Bowen is like the Crispin Glover. Okay, okay, I love that. Okay, yeah, it's the weird like assassin. Sure, yeah, okay, I think actually I would I would sub if we're not, I think it should be Barbie Very should be as an angel because she is also extremely funny in a in a UM I'm just an awkward human. She's really good at being like awkward human funny. I think Aubrey Plaza would also be great. She's too old. You think

she's too old old? Okay, what about Christin Stewart again, Kristen Stewart again, Let's give her another chance? What about got Nick in drag No one who's ever been on drag Race? Okay, we're going to need to do a search for the next l Woods type realitum no, no, no, no, because that's what that's that's this movie that created the problem in the first places. They were trying to break out two stars, and we just need people that are

already stars. Okay, so I wanted to be a Cameron, Lucy and Drew and they're playing like they're playing early twenties, but they there's no there's no c g I. Like, we just don't reference the fact that they are women of a certain age like pen fifteen, yes, or they could just be c g I t oblivion and there we make them looks like a literal video game. The whole movie just looks like, okay, maybe this reboot is

actually a video game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, I've never played but have now referenced on this podcast several times. I don't know why. Yeah, that's that's very specific thing to refer Maybe Kylie Jenner's one of the angels. I actually would love a Jenner or Kadashian to be an angel. I would I would love that. Also, Caitlin is the villain. Caitlin is the final boss villain or no, Caitlin is Charlie good Mortar Carol. No, wait, she does have the voice for it. She has a very like she has

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