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you for thank you for believing women. I wonder Rose, listen, this is our multiverse of madness, an amazing crossover event. We're in. Matt Rodgers from the Lost Culture Ista podcast graces you from the the l CPU, the l c PU in all of its Cafe Boostello Lori is going to be coming on too, like a version to discuss well,

theme parks roller coasters. I was going to say they're one of the universal childhood experiences, but I'm sure not everyone has that experience, but they are a universal childhood experience and that um I went to Universal Studios as a child. Yeah, And when it comes to theme parks,

Matt is a historian, an expert. He's the kant a philosopher of theme parks and roller coaster He's basically the Michel Fucot of roller coasters, and and there's no one who has a more prescient knowledge and foresight on the state of theme parks in this not just this country, but in the world. Yeah, Matt Rogers is Walt Disney reincarnatives. That's not what I was saying. Being Walt Disney and being michef are very different things. And I think you've

kind of mixed the metaphor. Now that's fine. That's what I do because this is like a virgin the show where we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm ros damn you and I'm fran Toronto. We have Matt Rogers today, who, as we said, one of the hosts of Lost Culture Stas. He's also on the New Showtimes Aries. I love that for you, and I love that for him, and love this for us. And the show is amazing. If you haven't already seen it, it's on Showtime, starring Jennifer Lewis,

Molly Shannon, Vanessa Bayer, all of the girls. It's it's wonderful. Y'all should catch it. I saw something sitting on the toilet right after we recorded last week that I was like, damn, like I I wish we had had time to talk about this in the slush piles of like our internet timelines. Did you see this kind of ally anthem that Kendrick

Lamar put out recently, No Okay so Um? In his most recent album, he basically wrote a song dedicated to his trans uncles that can only be described as maclemorean, like, can you unpack the macailmore in part of it? Because I think I know that Macaulmore did something like gay, but I don't really know the specifics, and maybe some

of our listeners as well. Of course, I mean I I call it mackailmore in because it's very like Allah, same love parentheses she keeps Me Warm by Macklemore, Which was that Like I really blocked that and I really resent you for making me release it from the depths of my subconscious Yeah, I mean I don't really want

to plant that in your consciousness. That's not what I wanted to have that, But let me try, you know, non convenually we all have to remember that that song one like so many awards, and the first verse in this song the first bar. That's a very generous term for it. I would say, um is, when I was in the third grade, I thought that I was gay because I could draw, which is like I think we

forget about this moment in history. But like it's particularly ironic because Macklemore fourteen, even though that song feels like so so egregiously dated. Now, like that song one the fucking Grammy and he famously won, yes, and he famously won over Kendrick. And that was the year that he

texted Kendrick and screenshine and posted Instagram. It was like, hey, man, like just so you know, like you deserve this award, which like white music artists like as a whole needs to stop doing like Billy did this to Megan, Like everybody just needs to stop. Just need to stop. No one needs to be awarded for anything. No more awards. But this most recent album of Kendrick's, which I have yet some muscle through because it's like so long, just f y. I I will not be listening, you know,

I'm not. I'm not ill. I'll be finishing it, but I don't need to recap at all. Um this song that he wrote about his trans uncles is called aunties, and in this song he routinely missed genders his uncle's like throughout the entire song and also dead names. Caitlyn Jenner says, and he also says the word faggot like seventeen times. I'm so happy we're talking about this on our queer pod, Like everybody knows that. Like the only person who can say faggot in the course of a

song is Jewel and Jewel. What song was that? I can't remember where She's like, pieces of You, it's you say he was a faggot, say he was a Fagget's socking you because she says it's so many times, very slow and she can't she can't say it. She did, but you can't. Long story short. People are saying, like cancel Kendrick or whatever, but like I just have to say it, like this is just plain foolish, Like this is just stupid. And one he has a pulitzer and two, yes,

Kendrick Lamar has a pulitzer. And to the irony of Kendrick basically writing a Macklemore song after being so publicly kind of subjugated by Macklemore, like made a mockri of by Macklemore. I just think the irony is too sick. Anyways, that's my complaint on I love to know my love to know that my identity was denigrated in a piece

of media. I won't be consuming Yeah, and like and like, I you know, I I don't know Kendrick's relationship to his uncle's, Like you know, the nuances of having trans family.

It's like sometimes you don't care about pronouns or like whatever, but it's just like you're doing this on a huge platform with you that you're doing it for an audience, and like they don't understand those nuances, Like you should just you should just not Yeah, anyways, Roase, have ever told you about, like how much I love the show Legendary A couple of times? You've watched a few episodes

I watched. I watched like two episodes of the first I will say, any of the virgins out there, if you watch the first two episodes of the second season, you'll be hooked into what is one of the great seasons of reality TV I've ever seen. But season three is back. The first three episodes I think dropped and it's so good still it remains like one of my

most favorite shows I'll ever watch. Um, I think from the judging to the opening credits, to like the way the stories of all these houses is built, to like the shade, to like the actual dances, and like production value that goes into all these numbers. It's like, over and over again, so good. How has it gotten in terms of the corporatization of it? Because Charlene did fire off a tweet that I thought was funny, which was legendary. Season three is like House of Lais Chips. Is that

kind of the vibe? I will say. She may be referring to the pool of competitors, which maybe is not as filled with a listers as the second season, which had us about Me in the Hospitalenciaga and a lot of other really crucial players. This most recent season also has a Ja from drag Race in the House of Love Asia, which is really interesting to see her in the context of another reality show wherein she's it's never

acknowledged that she was on drag Race. UM. I will say the show actually has proven itself to be an amazing piece of reality TV that is backed and helmed by Ballroom. UM. Obviously, there are nuances and a lot of things that Ballroom community is not happy with in terms of exploitation, or maybe how certain categories are described, or you know, everything gets lost in translation when it

goes to reality TV. But the long story short is like, there are tons of people in Ballroom who are writing and producing and across all the different elements of the show to authenticate it as much as they can, and I personally learn a lot from it. She is, and I'm not gonna lie, amazing. She She She's She's a great judge. She's a great judge. You know what I just found out recently that I didn't know is that she is going to be the villain in She Hulk.

That's such a perfect role for her. Oh my god, I'm so excited. I mean, I'm not a Jamila stand but I regardless of all the cultural baggage that one person might hold, I you know, still want to honor the fact that she's a good judge. UM. I mean, honestly. To give an example, like in the most recent episode, they did a challenge where every team had to showcase a three sixty dip, which is an extremely difficult move to do, UM, and they had to do it in

front of le Yomi who invented the three sixty. Um, goes live on Instagram every thirty seconds, goes live on Instagram every thirty seconds. We love you girl. Um, but all of those lives. Um. Yeah, but she she's live on Instagram right now, right now doing three sixties. UM. Probably she's so amazing. Um. But yeah, she's like god tier celebrity to And honestly, you could see the nerves

and everybody trying to perform this three sixty. But to be totally honest, it was interesting to see that as a challenge because a three sixty is not something that like every team needs to have in their arsenal. It's like an extremely difficult move to do. It's basically like asking, you know, a bunch of ice skating teams to do a triple axel in front of like Marinagatsu. Like it's

just not a move that everyone can physically do. Anyways, I definitely want to talk more about the show, like in future episodes like as it goes on, but I must like cast my picks for the versions that like I'm all in for the House of Yogi Yamamoto, but like love the House of Juicy Guitur and the House of Revlon as well. If any virgins are listening, I definitely want to know who your picks are because this

is my favorite show. Um also LAMI should have an Emmy and maybe DeShawn too, But I think they would be competing against Rue Paul because it's that good luck with that uh speak of the devil. We want the first two episodes of All Stars All Winners season together on Thursday, and you know, I was not sure how this whole Winners thing was going to play out, but

it's very good TV. You know. I think it's very smart to have the conceit of the season b that no one goes home because I think, like with bringing a winner back, if you've won that show, you do not want to come back and embarrass yourself or tarnish

your legacy. So it does feel like the only circumstances in which those girls would have come back to the show, like knowing that probably all of the critique was going to like lean positive if it happened at all, and that they would be able to stick around for the

entirety of the season. But I think the big thing that we have to talk about is snatch game, obviously, and I feel like Jinks in terms of what you're talking about before, Like Jinks specifically is one of those legends that was like, I would never go back to drag Race like ever, ever, and only in this circumstance that's very friendly and very like it's got a very celebratory summer camp reunion kind of vibe, like and they're also there's a lot of money that they can win.

But Jinks like one snatch game forever, forever, forever, hwer Judy Garland was I mean and clearly. And when I say like they're in on it, it's like she would not have been able to do that kind of extended snatch game performance if the Snatch game was not kind of set up for it to really be about her. Interesting. Interesting. I love then. I love that the theories it's not I mean, not like a conspiracy theory. I just mean

like she knew. I'm sure there was some kind of production meeting where they were like they knew what she was going to do ahead of time. Yeah, of course they all have to kind of submit their their characters ahead I and I think they can place bets on who's gonna win. Like I remember turning to you rose

before the snatch game started, like right before. I remember turning to you and I said, no one has ever done Judy, which is remarkable, and you were like yeah, and I was like, Jinx is the person could do it. She's the only one that could do it. And by like maybe no, no, shut up. I think only by like a few points did she maybe beat out Alaska as May West, which is my favorite snatch game of

all time. But like what I'm like trying not to get emotional, what Jinx did was transcendent and her not just like in her jokes and her like you know, comedic timing and the nuances of the way she would drop her chin on her hands like this, or like the way she would kind of fiddle with like a piece of paper like between her fingers, the way Judy was like everything she did was so Judy, but the way she sang was better. She sounded like Judy exactly.

She sounded better than Rene's Alwegger in Judy, like I was it just elevated like this kind of throwaway Judy is a drug addict character vibe of snatch games. Like none of those other girls should have been on stage with her, like Jinks should if she does not do like a Judy one woman show after all Stars, she was missing out on making a lot of money because she could do it, Like she could do a one woman show as Judy, and I would I wouldn't pay to see it, but I would go see it. I

I would pay to see it. Um, But like I I will say, I thought there were a lot of other really good snatch games up there. I think the only people that really boofed it were Shay and ev I think, um, but he was bad, and like it's it's it's just telling that that for how bad people like Shay and Evie were, that they didn't really get negative critiques. It's telling about the parameters of this season because on a normal season they would have got torn

up to shreds for those performances. Yeah, I think the judging on this specific season is kind of interesting and also on a light touch for sure. It's a light touch for sure. I also, I mean we are seeing some paramount plus budget for those guest judges with Naomi Campbell and Cameron Diaz, Like why haven't we people please come back to acting? I want I want the return. No, she looks happy she looks happy selling wine and being not an actress. I'm I'm happy for her, even if

I myself I'm not happy that she's gone. Have you ever tried her wine? No? Have you No? I tried to veer away from all celebrity wines like that. The Coppola wines are so disgusting to me. Well, I hate wine famously. You famously hate wine, Um, Cameron Diaz, if you did come on our show, we would gladly about your wine. I don't even know what it's called. Amazing,

I'm sure, I'm sure this, Um. I did listen to the new Harry Styles album because I know we talked about before that we both liked as it was kind of surprisingly a lot album. To me, it's very like adult contemporary elevator music. I do mean that as a compliment. It clearly was made to be TikTok sounds. I like the sushi song. I like cinema. I don't know if this is like a weird comparison to make, but it does remind me of Florence and the Machines album How Big, Hublu,

How Beautiful Like. I think it's really well produced. My sisters are huge, hairy style stands and they really don't like it because I think it's very different than his last album, but like you know, it's kind of boring, but like it's very listenable. In comparison to other Harry albums, I'm much more connected to the music. I think when he emerged on the scene, I didn't really feel acted to his music as much as just like his fashion, which we disagree on, and like his kind of persona

as a celebrity. I really adore you think. I don't think no, no, no. I would never use the word serve, I would never use the words certain, but I would say that Harry Styles frequently wears things that I too would love to wear, and I think that I'm not I don't disagree with that. What I'm saying is like his style is just someone is taking a Gucci runway look and putting it on him and there's not a lot of thought there. I agree, but I don't want to.

I would never die on a hill defending Harry like that's not where I am. But I will say that this. I do know that you have bought an item of clothing before because Harry Styles wore it. Though Mama, I've bought three items of clothing because Harry Styles wore it three count it um. I will also say this album I think I could only describe as like adorable, Like

I love the first three songs. I love that the song music for a Sushi Restaurant wasn't fired by the fact that he heard another one of his songs while he was eating sushi at a sushi restaurant, and like the song is kind of like poking fun at himself almost for being easy listening. It's giving adult contemporary the serious x M channel mosaic. It's very that vibe. Closing the loop on one more thing you rose you were, in fact wrong about me liking The Northman. I'm so sorry.

I went into this movie with like the lowest possible expectations and I loved this movie. That's great. I'm very surprised, but I'm glad you loved it. I think you I think you famously said if you don't, if you're not gonna like conversations with friends, you're not gonna like The North mid Um, which, like you know, very interesting comparison for me. I can't remember what your train of thought was there. So sorry to take you out of context.

But you know, I think that you were mostly thinking about my reaction to The Green Knight, which I think is a pretty good comp for The Northman. The difference is that the Green Knight was not interested in having a plot. It was interested in like painting a picture, where the Northman I think was plot plot, plot, plot plot. And even though you know the story is very simple,

you know, like it it follows. Yeah, but like I felt like it was still felt so fresh, and I was shook also that there aren't really that many movies out there that are telling Viking Norse mythology stories, Like Norse mythology is yeah, you know that's through a Marvel superhero lens. Yeah, but like all around just like completely dope, like Alexander scars Guard is like a fucking hulk of a man like that. That was like so much. Body

Mass is like amazing to watch the entire time. And didn't tell me that the movie ends in a fight to the death in like a pool of lava. In the news, it's giving It's giving mountain doom. Literally nude, they were naked, Like what was that? You hate spoilers? Why would I have told you? Yeah? Okay, yeah, I appreciate that, and sorry to the virgins whom I just spoiled it too. I don't know why or how or when this was decided, but you are something of an expert on theme parks for sure. I used to when

I was little. I used to draw the map of Disneyland from memory were you would for my own? Can you still draw it from both Disneyland and Disney World? Yeah? That the the layout of Magic Kingdom I would know by heart, and Epcot and Hollywood Studios and I'm looking at them one. When I was little, in bored, I would draw the maps. There is something really queer about like when did you come out? I almost had eleven,

which is a lot of bold face light nine. I feel like drawing maps as a kid, like or like roller coaster tycoon type ship, like like invent. I used to like design malls, you know, like that was like a thing. I feel like, you know, every kid kind of wants to be an architect until they figure out that math is involved, and then I'm like, at least for me, I was like, no, thanks. I didn't design malls, but I went to them a lot, and I still could find my way around my home mall fully blindfolded.

Is that how you are with Disney? Yeah, oh no,

for sure. Like when I go to any theme park, really, I sort of take it upon myself to be like the leader of the trip, and I will know what everything is oftentimes, if not like intuitively, like oftentimes like sense memory will kick in and I'll be like, this is where we must go and I used to What really bothers me is when they do refurbishments and renovations without sort of like letting letting, you know, letting the girls know, because I'll be like, here's a short cut

turn around, and all of a sudden they'll be just a wall and I want to ride a shutdown forget it? Are you? Are you on a schedule? Is it TikTok? When you're sore? An itinerary moment? I like to know what's the next thing we're doing. But I don't care beyond that. Also because most of the time, most of the time when I go to theme park, now I'm how do I say this extraordinarily fucked up? Like I'll go on like half a tab, I'll the theme park and like, really fuck it up? I mean, who does

like theme park sober like children. I think outside of that, like who you know, I mean, yeah, you can't. I think kids. I don't even like to go when there's kids around, like I go on the weekday during the day. That's that's very smart. That's the last theme park we went to was we went to Universal during the day on a weekday and very early. Um. I was very I felt very um slighted and maligned and like the odd were started against me because Fran didn't want to

get there as early as I did. Yes, I remember when you when you all did this, like you were like, yeah, you talked about last coul and you were like, we have to get there one it opens before, it open before. But the thing is you didn't know the actual open time. We got that wrong, and so we showed up ten minutes early. Way and it doesn't mean the plan was right. And we arrived and and um we like it was like one of those days where they made the entire

crowd waiting outside do a countdown. Yeah, but they did let us in early. Yes they didn't. It was they always do. That's that's sort of a like hack, if I might, sort of a a hack life. Half curtain is they will always let you win fifteen minutes early, even if the rides don't start until like, let's say eight or nine am when the park opens, Like you can get it early. Get your Starbucks. Yes, I mean, what's your first turkey leg of the day. We got We'll

get into the we'll get into the food later. What are the parks that are like on your rotation so you frequent them? You probably have like passes our memberships to some of these. Do you have, like if you were to kind of lay out for the virgins, you know, a tearing of or or ones that you regularly visit. So virgins, and I really know I'm talking to you today. Um, my favorite theme park destination in all of life is, um, the Universal Orlando Resort. Since this is and bar and grow.

Um it's thank you for saying that, because I'm from Florida, and I really you know, and so you sort of understand. Intrinsically, the Disney World is sort of hell yes on Earth, which for reasons I will get into and you'll agree with, I'm certain. But the thing about Universal Studios Florida and Islands of Adventure is there right next to each other, and they're also connected via the I'm so sorry Hogwarts express um and so I know, I know, I know,

but we'll get into it. We're gonna get into well, yes, of course she's something we must tackle today if we're going to talk about this. Because of the revolution that happened when HP came to theme parks, I mean, the girls are clamoring to catch up. So the reason I like Universal Studios and Islands of Venture is there right there next to each other, and there's the city walk

area where you can eat and hang out. And also they have the rides that are more like that are less for babies, so you actually can go get a hashtag thrill and you really could do it all in like one or two days, whereas Disney World is sort of um involved, it's involved, it takes months and months of planning. I actually get more and more upset every time every single time I go, because it's like so overwhelming in terms of just the endeavor that it is to get from one park to another. It's like a

forty five minute situation, really crowded. Often it gets more and more expensive all the time. I mean, and Universal you can truly do in well the one here you can do the whole thing in like six hours literally, But do you remember the gag Because, as I said, I grew up in Florida, So I remember when Islands of Adventure opened and it was like a paradigm shift. Was the Islands of Adventures? Like, so it's the big ride at the time when it opened. Was the Hulk Coaster?

M dueling dragons, epic, amazing rest, power and power. Does the Hulk roller coaster still exists? Yes, and it is. It's one of my favorite rollers. So basically, like you are you a coaster person? I so I actually am a bit of aversion to the to the theme parks in general. Like I've been to Disneyland twice as a kid, been to Six Flags maybe once, and then we went

to Universal for the first time last year. So then you did the Mummy roller coaster, yes, which is the best roller coaster experience, and you had a fabulous have a fabulous But I think I think the Friend could do Hulk. Have you been have you been to do the Velocity coaster yet? No? Absolutely amazing, Like I think the best theme park ride that exists currently. What do you look for? What are your criteria in a theme park ride? What you want thrills, you want chills, you

want thrills and chills. So definitely thrills and chills. But for me, what's most important is immersion. What's what's most important for me, especially like if you're going to go to Disney or Universal, I want to step in and feel like, Okay, every inch of this place is covered in detail, Like I love to feel like when I'm when I've chewed my whole edible and my twenty milligrams hit, I want to feel like I'm in it. I love. That's why I love avatar Land is because they have

set the scene. We'll put respect on Disney's name. For the World of Pandora, I have to tell you wouldn't exist without world. Okay. So given the back story on this podcast before, maybe or maybe I just explained it to you. So originally Harry Potter World was supposed to be at Disney, but J. K. Rowling wanted a train to transport people in and Disney said absolutely not. So Universal was obviously like, yes, we'll give you a train, We'll give you anything. Trans women are men. She has

literally like an indignant, like adult child. She's like, I want to she wanted a full creative control, and they were not willing and which Disney was not willing to do that because they have the whole imagineering structure. And then when Disney started to lose a bunch of attendees and money to Universal, they said, we need a hot property that is a similar kind of immersive world. And they said, what about the highest grossing movie ever made which no one remembers, which, by the way, the Way

of Water. I can't. I'm so excited to see this trailer. I thought, I will say this when they sat when they announced that they were going to bring Avatar to the parks, that was like their answer to Harry Potter. I'm getting the sense that you were like, this is an iconic flop. And I felt the same way too, because I was like, Harry Potter is an entire world, and I'm not saying that Avatar is not an entire world, but Harry Potter is a proven eight film like extensive

international book series. Not to say that Avatar is international, but you'd think like you'd want to at least release a couple more of those movies. You want something with more source material. I was proven wrong when I went, oh, I cried on flight of the whatever stream. Really the smell of like the orange that you get as you're

flying over the trees is it is life changing. That's a lot for something that's essentially you know, furn gully, but with like technological imperialists and the way that you're you're like writing the thing and you can feel it breathing between your legs. It's giving you. It's given. It's it's basically it's moving beyond the five senses to also a sixth sense, which is like sort of a horny sexual like thing. It's like it's like it's like intimate.

The sixth sense is horny. It's a beast breathing between your legs. And that's simple the six senses culture. The sixth sense is wrong. Podcast talk about if we're talking about immersion, can we talk about the Universal Studios Tour. Oh? That was it's just called the the Studio Tour. That was our favorite part of university phenomenal. I like for the virgins, like it is like a again all six senses, Like it is like you know, for d there's like

smells and like sprays and like that. I think that like the way they I just had never been on a ride like that before, where like everything around you is like three dimensionally. To go to Orlando, you must take friends. Let me tell you, we're gonna go visit my family and then we're gonna and then we're gonna steal someone's car and go to Orlando. I have to and do four days. There is this and we have to go dead of winter January at Disney Universal. Best

time to go, can tell you. I think it's actually October, but okay, oh really okay, well Halloween Halloween nights also, But as a Floridian, you know that was always when we went because it was like, I think it was dead. There was no tourism. Um. I do love going in October and I love going during the holidays. I have trade in Orlando. I have like an absolutely mass of man that talks about like getting me pregnant. Everyone. I feel like it would be everyone. Well, there's also it's

that people live in Orlando. There's a bunch of colleges there, and there's a huge international airport, so there's always trade. And also the thing is like people that work at Disney, and there's actually not a straight person that works at Universal or Disney No, it's entirely queers, and so they're so horny because they're inner child. Yeah, they have to be sort of like inner child all day and then when they when when the lights go down at night, honey,

there's still you know, adult queers. Yeah, but they're still using their baby voice. No, no, no, not not when you open grinder in Orlando, it's treasure. Have you ever gotten sucked off at Disney? I've never hooked have you hooked up on any side with Okay, my my ex boyfriend Jared and I went, and my ex ex boyfriend Henry and I went, and I think I did I ever hooked up there because I felt wrong. It's no, not even that we're so tired, like full of meat

at the end of the day. It's not a horny thing. It's it's like you're very shausted and your feet are killing you. You ate trash like you're not trying to pork. Have you ever been to gay Days? No with the matching shirts. No, I don't really do the matching shirts. And I don't dress up in March. I don't do that. No, no, no, you don't do Earbridge too far. It's not that I'm opposed to doing ears, and maybe when I go again in several weeks, like I will do the ear. Would

you do like a Wanda Crown ear? I would definitely do a w I wand ahead and I heard by the way California Adventure now has I've seen Picnic and she kind of does the hand There's there's no special effects, it's just hands. She doesn't handwork. Kids are gonna be like, where's your or queen. It's like Image and Heap making making beats well, Image and Heap is playing her in the park. Imagine he's actually booked the gig and very circular because imagine he did the music for the Harry

Potter play. So it all comes back to University, which I almost saw when I was in New York. But that's actually a bridge I won't cross with j K. I I won't support her directly, like I won't support something that she wrote. Okay, so this leads better than us. This leads us to a fun um theme park tidbit, which is that before j K. Rowling was out as a turf, I think before I knew what a turf was. When the Harry Potter theme parks had just opened, I

was kicked out of Universal for shoplifting. What did you try to take? I tried to steal a wand because I was I was a really good mischief manage, well, mischief not manage, because they got Miguel um and that is why I transitioned so that I could go back. So did the errors come out of nowhere and arrest you? And did Harry Potter as a cop escort you out of the theme park? Like what was the scenario? Yeah,

they slapped some manacles on me. You were enchanted. They made one of those posters of my face I wanted and wizard would you like to connect Wizard? Yeah, they slapped the butter beer out of my hand. Oh my gosh. So now you may return and you have returned. I have returned to many times and their facial recognition software can't get me because you know what, estrogen redeposits a lot of the fat in your face. Okay, so listen, did this happen in Orlando or Hollywood Orlando? Because this

was like, this was like two thousand nine. Is it like a lifetime band or is it just like that they thought it was a lifetime band? But jokes on them because I have a different name. Try it. Try Okay. On the Disney of it all, did you have like growing up, did you have like favorite Disney characters that you wanted to take pictures with you? It's not about characters for me, and I have never you didn't have an autograph of you have to stop you because I

did have an autograph book. But even then I knew it was a waste of time. I'm like, I want to get online for the rides. I want to I want to experience attractions. Okay, we gotta go, we gotta go, and that that is Whenever I sort of am at any theme park now and I feel myself my shoulders starting to rise because I feel like we're not making good time. I just sort of tried to tell myself, like, it's okay, you're an adult, you've done it all before,

you can do it again later. It's okay, don't just relax. But but it is like there's something about it where it's just like, you know, the park has a closing time and you gotta keep going. Yeah, and all theme parks are really an assault on the senses, And you became immediately overwhelmed with an assaults on the body. It is it is like going to war being at a theme park. Yeah, pretty much. It is a crusade from beginning.

But I just want to ask you, though, what was your favorite thing when you went to you so the Mommy was your favorite ride? The Mommy was my favorite ride at Universal for sure. I think that the studio tour was definitely a standout. Well, that's like an experience one must have. Yeah, immerses, what did you think of Jurassic World. Jurassic World was fine. I feel like, I mean, I don't know what did you think. I thought it was fun. I kind of like classic Jurassic Park more

that is because it's the ride of my childhood. I feel similarly about the Jaws ride. Thank you, and I really I think that actually this is something so okay, there's some background on me is um. When I was little, all I wanted to do and become was the one

of the skippers on the Jaws attraction. Like I'm actually I don't know if I'm currently to this day off book on it, but I was for a time off book on it, and I actually did a show at You See Beginning or called You Will Get Wet, which was a half hour spank they called it, which was like a show that you tried to get running at the theater. And in it, I played a character that's dream was to do supposed to be on the Jaws boat. And I actually did the Jaws attraction in the theater,

and Bowen Yang played the shark. Yeah, there's a video of it. You can watch it. It's called you Will Get Wet. There's video of the whole show. How did both shark? Was it like a cost Well, he played it fabulous and he was very scary and he really popped out. And my friend Dave Mazzoni played fire and so he was sort of dancing fire and I was the skipper and I would take people from the audience and put them on a boat and there was water effects and fire effects and sound effects, and I used

darkness and flashlights to make the boat house. So this was a full thing that I did because it was so real to me when I was a kid, like only wanting to do that. And so one of the big mistakes I think that that theme park chain has made is in destroying their attractions that sort of actually commemorate old classic movies. Your Jaws, Your back to the future, which also hurts um and a terminator to I mean getting a place with born identity, which is sort of

a slap in the face. Um. But all these things are now gone, And so whenever I go to what is an extended Harry Potter section, because now the grin goots Bank and all that is where it's so funny. They need one at Universal here, they really do, and I'm sure they'll figure it out, but it hurts to know that I'm in that area where Jaws was because

it's so formative for me. And I also think if you're going to be Universal and not have something themed to Jaws, and it can't be that whack thing they do on the studio tour, which is still kind of fun, but comparison to your Jaws experience, in comparison to a full five minute experience where you're on the boat and Jaws is attacking the boat, I mean, this is just something like if you didn't experience it as a child, or like until it was closed, like really sad for you.

But here you are holding them accountable. And if you could, if you could revive the Jaws ride and work on it, would you give up everything you have in your career currently, Um, everything but the money. Okay, so we make the same salary working on the Jaws. What I want to do is I want to figure it out on the same level of fame. Yeah, yeah, same level of fame. And I'm okay, you feel like you have fan accounts like

best for ever. If I could continue to live my life style now and no, it wouldn't get better or worse, and I would have to do the Jaws ride for rest of my life. I think I could be happy doing that. I think you could too, and I would love to be on that boat. I think I would give you a real thrill. And something I didn't realize is that like I always would go like, especially when I was younger, and I was like, these people aren't giving it any energy, Like I don't believe at all

that they they're not. I would always think I could do a better job than them, And then you realize, like they do it fifty times in a row, like they have to be speaking at this volume, they can't be actually screaming. I'm surprised you never pushed someone off the boat and took the mic. I'm surprised too, because

there was no seatbelts on that. Speaking of movie rides, one of my favorite rides at MGM Studios was in the Chinese Theater where you great great movie ride like the part with with an Alien where the alien comes out of the ceiling of different was an iconic Sigourney Weaver animatronic if you go through all these different movies MGM. So I'm interested to know what your favorite area of Disney is because MGM Studios was definitely my favorite growing up.

The Tower of Terror is it to? I believe that the Tower of Terror is is um the world's greatest theme park attraction. That's how we ever seen the movie starring Steve Guttenberger. Of course, of course, um yeah. I I feel like Rose and I were discussing before you came here that you you will inevitably be immortalized on a theme park of some kind. I think I feel like all my only goal is to book a film.

The only reason I'd even want to book like a film franchise is to potentially star in a pre show for a theme park attraction, like you know, Philly Serves, shot is in Dinosaur And there's just certain actors that pop up in these Disney theme park attractions. And by the way, Julia Stiles just iconically booked the Born stunt show, so she does the whole pre show and when I tell you, I didn't know it was her. And when I saw her pop up and she was like, I'm

Nicolette Parsons, I was like, I absolutely scream. Any think she's just doing it as Julia Stiles, Well, I don't know, because also canonically she's dead in the Born films. And he even says she goes and he thought I died, but I didn't, And I'm like, girl, you look dead to me. The rides play fast and Loose with Cannon,

they really do? They really. One of the scariest rides of my childhood was do you remember I don't know if it still exists at Walt disney World, snow Whites Scary than they have updated it to now they don't have that anymore because no, it's now so there's now like a bigger snow white thing us. It's not scary. There's no witch at the end. There's a witch at

the end, and there's a witch throughout. But the thing about snow White Scary Adventures is it was so small, like like you were in that tiny little cart and like you're literally moving through very small sets. Like that's the cool thing about Fantasy Land, I think, is that when you go in those little dark rides that's what

they're called, Like everything is very intimate and small. Like if you ever do um Mr. Toad's Wild Ride, Honey Pop the Poppers, like you go to Hell at the end, it literally ends in Hell and it feels like the queerest ride. And it's also so small and like everything that's happening is right on top of you. So in that snow White Scary Adventure ride, the witch would pop out and she'd be right there right That intimacy definitely

was terrifying to me as a kid. I remember it vividly as a kid, and then I went back again as an adult and I was like, this is absolutely honestly, the ride is better than the movie. It was called Snow White's Adventures, and they had to change the name to snow White Scary Adventures because parents would be coming off the ride like what the funk? Yeah, I like I like park that is aiming to terrify and traumatize a child, of course, because that is a formative experience.

That we all need. I still feel a little scared atmospherically on Terror of terror do they do an incredible Twilight Zone theme song and the fact that they've changed it to what Guardians of the Galaxy in Disneyland, but also the mission break up right is a bop? I don't know. I also not been on it. I haven't. But I also missed the Aerosmith roller coaster at MGM, which it was Arrowsmith there. Yes, it's still there, it's still standing tall. I haven't been to that in Orlando

Disney in a while. You actually have to go, because I'm telling you. Also, the Hollywood Studios is now completely different and they have the Star Wars Land and Rose. You have to do Rise of the Resistance. I the last time I was at Disney, I tried to do Rise of the Resistance and it was like a virtual and you couldn't You couldn't get Star Wars shooter game. No, it's confusing, it's it's it's they actually don't have that anymore.

And so now you can just get on the standby line or like pay for like the Lightning Lane, which isn't what they call the fast Past, but the Rise of the resistance is like, first of all, it costs a billion dollars, which we could debate whether or not we needed to spend the money on that, but when you're on it, it certainly is what would you rather? What would you rather? They have spent the money on

public public schools? Of course? Health care? Health care? Yeah, do you have if you were to, like, you know, design a right on your own or if there is there like a kind of entity where you were like, I wish this was a ride? Have you thought about this? You know? What I think they've gotten wrong every single time is Fast and the Furious because they do that stupid little bullshit in the studio tour where it's like

the screens are on either side or whatever. They in Orlando, they made that a full attraction and it's so lame and stupid. And I was like, if you have the Fast and the Furious property, like make it a roller coaster. Make it a racing roller coaster, you know what I mean? Like, I've never seen a Fast and Furious movie, so I don't know. But but if you, if you're universal and you have that property, why are you making it a simulated screen thing? I know, if they had to overhaul

dueling dragons, like you know, make it fasten. The fact, I just feel like it's a waste of a property because it's screaming out to be this like thing. And it's also like definitely that company's biggest hit right now, and I think like they messed it up in terms of what they have. So I would say reimagining of what fast Nefurious could be, and also I would bring back Jaws and back to the future. I mean to the Future was iconic. It was also is et does

that sound still there? Because he actually this is this is the truth about ET. Steven Spielberg said he will end his relationship with the company if they if they demolished that ride, so they have to wait, they have to wait until he dies. That is very queeny but also a serve. Like there's a very iconic childhood photo of me from the e T Ride. I don't really like that movie though. It's kind of very and weird

for coming from my childhood. I just it's it's not I don't know, it's kind of e T is kind of grotesque. I don't remember attaching to this. I couldn't give a funk about you two. Yeah, I don't care. I'm yeah, I just I don't know. It wasn't for me. But I'm sorry, sorry, but I but I I love that for you, genuinely. Sorry, perturb Um. Okay, Matt, I feel like, you know, obviously pre show isn't it is

you know, gonna happen for you. But I also Rose and I were talking about how you would probably fit really nicely into like the Disney cinematic universe, Like I think that'll be any I mean, once they allow fast technically, I am in Fire Island because you know, you know that Disney like owns and pays for it. So it's Searchlight and comes to Epcot Studios. I will be a star of it. So wait, I will tell you this. This is going to be a spoiler for the movie.

I think I think I am the first person in the main cast of a Disney film to get fucked in the ass on camera. Wowow that would be. And that's that's a ride? Is that? Yeah? I was gonna say, is that like the end of the ride here it's Luke's Bottom Adventure. Love that? But I will say, like I don't take that lightly, no, And I don't think that that makes me a Disney pretty don't take it, and I don't take it lately, but I do take it bare back from behind in your bottom era of course.

Um Okay, wow, that's amazing. That is a bit of a spoiler, but like you know, because I just won't be happy, will be happy about I was thinking more like a I could see you as like a gay James Marsden and enchanted. Actually incredible and very very kind of you to say, I really really want that. Yeah, and I'm willing to sell my soul for I know that I've got a little taste, like I'm actually here

to sell that. I think if that show Once upon a Time was still on, like you would be on it as like some a real life version of some Disney prints. Do you ever look back at the cast of that show? It's a gag, it's since because they're all super famous now. Sebastian Stan played the Mad Hatter. I did not know that, my everything, that's crazy. I had no idea did you. Did you have like a favorite Disney entity growing up or one that was really

formative to you as a kid. Well, when I was really little, I was like obsessed with Little Mermaid and that was kind of the one for me. But I remember being absolutely terrified of Ursula because I think I was scared of what was inside myself, which is a drag queen. Yeah. Well, by the way, you guys know,

Crystal Kongman got from Real House was of Beverly Hills, obviously. Obviously, so her husband Rob, I don't know if you know this, but he actually drew the original prototype for what Ursula was gonna look like because he wasn't he he had a gay roommate and the gay roommate was like obsessed with divine and obsessed with drag queens and like exposing Rob to all this, and so they were having a really hard time figuring out with the design of Ursula

was going to be. And originally she was supposed to be more like a a smelt like Cruella de Ville type, like like Bitch of the Seed that was the sequel The Mermaid. A Little Mermaids sequel had the sister that was kind of like that. Yeah, yeah right, and so um I think also that that became what Vanessa was like when she when she that little ditty, she's like giving you a cunt. I don't even know how that little Mermaid on the ocean will be stunning, incredible, my

favorite part of the whole movie. But basically, Rob Minkoff drew the original designed for Ursela that they ended up using, and so that's actually part of how he proved himself to direct Lion King is because he essentially created Ursela and he was the one that was like, we should base it on Divine the drag Queen, and which informed obviously the casting of Pat Carroll, and that's queer history. Absolutely. I had heard. I knew that like Divine Origin, but

I didn't know was Rob specifically Minkoff. It was Rob Minkoff, and now it's going to be Melissa McCarthy and I kind of wish it. I kind of wish it was Gaga. It absolutely should have been. Absolutely and I'm not taking anything away from Meliss McCarthy, but I know because she will she will, she will eat and tear. But I do think I know how she'll do it. It's kind of vious, and I think Gaga would have found a really psychotic way in I've also heard her poor unfortunate Souls.

Oh are you that? Yeah? I really wish it like we did that as a complete bit and now to the point where like I could sort of see them doing it, but then it would be a waste of bow and like Moe probably should play like some bigger part. But like I do think like it's it got to the point where like our managers actually reached out and asked and they told in the movie that's a missed opportunity.

I think that's a huge, big mistake. Huge. There's a lot of like you know, Disney crannies that you could play. There's like Pain and Panic and Hercules. There are, you know, an assortment of henchman if you will. I was there for a Hercules ride or moment. There is gonna be a live action movie, which is shocking to me because you just told me that the cartoon was like a total flop, which I didn't want because it was my

I didn't know it was. Maybe this is just because I'm gay, but like I never gravitated towards the Disney movies that starred men male characters, like even Aladdin. Ah, I can't. I couldn't really get into it, Like forget about jungle Book, Like I wasn't into them. I was actually I don't really remember this but apparently I was super obsessed with Robin Hood. Well, Robin Hood is hot and also iconic socialists, yes, the Bernie Sanders of his time.

I really loved Beauty and the beast that was. That was kind of kind of my favor. I did love Little Mermaid and Untouchable. When I was a kid, we had a bunk bed and I used to poke my head through the slats of the bunk bed and pretend I was aerial looking out of the porthole of the boat. Um. And I definitely played Mermaid a lot in the pool. I put all the silver ware in our house like

it's a dingle hop right. I was like, no, that's silver ware and we have to use it to eat, So get it the funk out of your hair, you fucking filth. I'm just waiting for some TikTok where someone's like, hair hack, columb your hair with the fork, and it's like, it's what's gonna happen? Um. My favorite was definitely Hercules growing up. I actually feel like it was sexually formative to me as well. You want to yes, well, and you wanted to be Meg. Here's that. I wanted to

be Meg, period. No chance no. One of the best songs in like the Disney in the Disney Songbook. Um, I feel like, uh, young Herk and old Hirk are kind of exactly my types, like my two different types, just like you know, really teeny tiny, fragile twings and then like men that are so big that they don't care if I live or die. Hercules. Hercules is an M to M trans man, Yes, M Tom love that. Yeah.

Actually yeah, nothing in between though, Like it's either huge or like absolutely could Yeah, he was hitting the human growth hormone a little too hard for sure. That's why it's such a queer story, is that you Herk is on t was on a roll. The only thing he was on was rolling. I really do think that, Um, I would actually, I'm just going to throw this out there to Disney. I would sell my soul because they're listening, honey.

I would sell my soul to play Hercules. And I feel as a Greek American I have I have claimed to that the Kumon and Johnny body plan that they would put you on, that would be that's worth like thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars a month. Like I'm willing to make it my whole year just getting into shape for it. That would be my drink. I can't go out. I'm getting into shape for herk no drinking. I can't. I can't have a sip of that alcohol.

Every morning you wake up, you eat forty seven eggs, raw eggs, like just like gust On, just like, oh my god, I am. I am so upset that the gast On TV show isn't happening, only because of Rita Aura. I was looking contextualized this. Wait, wait, was it was that green lit? And then now, yeah, I was never heard it was so it was going to be it was going to be a prequel starring Gaston and Lafu about I guess maybe them being gay, and Rita Aura

was announced to be in it. She did a grid post and then like a week later, Disney was like, just kidding, this isn't happening, probably because of timing or whatever.

All the time like that. This is the difference between Disney and like Universal is Disney will rocket their load off being like here's everything that's happening in the next ten years, and half of it won't happen, and Universal will literally build an attraction without announcing it and then when it's done, they'll be like coming soon this and

I was like, yeah, we've been seeing it. In fact, when I went to Universal Um while they were building the Veiloscopy coaster, I asked a ride like like a person like working a food stand. I was like, when is this opening? Because it wasn't announced, and she goes, I actually don't know what you're talking about, and I was and I was like, I was like, seriously, like you can't tell me, like because because it's not announced. She goes, I mean theoretically, like I don't even really

know what that is, but like maybe spring summer. And then a little red laser pointer appeared on her forehead and she was taken and I was like, mom, a blink three times if you need hup. I didn't know that there was like a Disney power over the Universals. They are so in character at all times, like imagineers love it. At the Pandora World, if you asked them about the movie, they call it the documentary. At Star Wars Galaxy's Edge, if you ask them about the Star

Wars movie, they call them the legends. By the way, when when you do go on rise at the resistance, the spoiler alert, they get captured by the like a first order or whatever. I didn't want to know that, just kidding. These theme park rights are full method. That is like sky it's giving and then it's giving. Yeah. Um, did you ever work with six Flags? Yeah, for sure did because I grew up in the Midwest and we

would take like our class trips there. I remember this the it was either a Superman roller coaster or a Batman roller coaster that went truly like you go up and then you go straight down. You're thinking of. It's called the Chiller, and um it was in a Great Adventure. Did you ever get a six Flags Great Adventure in

New Jersey? No? Maybe, So that's like the one that I grew up around, and it had something called Batman and Robin the Chiller, which is one red car in one blue car, which sort of race and one of them went up and down another one like did like a flip. But six Flags, I mean that is the roller coaster haven. Like, if you want to go get absolutely tossed and turned, you go to six Flags, either

Magic Mountain or Great Adventure. That's West Coast, East Coast, and then all the other ones are sort of like second tier. Um, how much acid do you think like the six Flags marketing exects did in order to invent the six Flags Guy, because that was like absolutely a moment in culture. I think he already I think he already other commercial was the six Live commercial. I think he already existed and six Flags was kind of built

around him. Yeah. Yeah, that makes more sense than them coming up with him as a result of like, well we have this part, who do we get to be the face of it? He's like an immortal entity that has existed since the dawn of time. And also that insane song that Benga like they picked. I think it's crazy because it is objectively the most annoying song in the world. Yeah, it's also so fun. We were just listening to it when we were in josh Are on vacation last week by the pool, and it was kind

of the moment. It's hyper pop. It invented hyperpop. It did. It is Charlie x X. There is no Charlie x X without and that's actually a little culture. There is no name. Probably Daddy. Have you seen Katie Katie Gavin from Muna's um six Flags Guy costume for Halloween this year, she and her sister who I think she's her sister is younger, but like they look exactly the same. They were both the six Flags guy with like you know, I can see that that's for her, and it was

hunting chilling. They played the Thing Boy song at least three times. I didn't spend a lot of time at six Flags, but outside of going to Disney and Universal a lot growing up, I spent a lot of time at state fairs and Renaissance fairs. Yeah, that was less my situation, but I definitely whenever there was like, um, like an amusement park for a day, like they would set it up in town, I was always like extremely unconcerned about this with the safety. I was like, no,

no, no no, we're going and we're doing everything. That's great. And now it's like you kind of get the sense that accidents happened there all the time. It's like full carniv Nightmare Alley Boots scarier than Nightmare. All we'll get more deformed. You ever been in a dunk tank? You know what? I've done a dunk tank. I've been dunked and I would never do it again because, like I genuinely feel like it's just like if it's like signing

up for an ear infection. Yeah, it's genuinely dangerous. It's like, let me here, let me opt into something that will be painful for me and potentially cause hearing loss. Yeah. I don't want to do it again because I delve the water is chlorinated and I know the second I'm hitting the water, I'm pissing. Yeah, so of course I almost everybody of water, so do I Frand wouldn't let me pee in the pool at our Joshua? Why? I I wasn't a cop about it, but I was like,

you know, the toilet is literally right there. You're going to love it. Yeah, I mean, look, I I'm need to drink piss consensually, but maybe not in a pool of chlorinated water. It becomes the water. Yeah. What's your favorite food to eat at a theme park? Because I think food is a very important part of the experience. Chicken fingers is a great answer. Chicken fingers on like a basket of fried scenario. Absolutely, there really some buffalo sauce and some barbecue. It's a good food to have

to be mobile. If you're walking around walking hold a basket. Yeah, you can wait in line for a ride while eating chicken fingers. I I love a turkey leg the same. But also the thing about the turkey leg is I always think they're better in theory than practice because they really are a mess. There's so much more of it than you could ever imagine, and they're kind of like stringy and like you have to do a lot of teeth work, and there's no way to eat it sexy. No,

there's no way to eat it sexy. I think we can try. I would actually surprised. Oh I I literally can. But wait. The thing about turkey is it has tripped a fan you want and tired. I love that you that Oh wow, you've been sending so much time around bow. You know your chemistry? Um, okay, b used to be a chemistry major. He mean he not even used to be. He is and forever will best degree in chemistry. I

didn't even know he finished it. That's so funny. I think he has like a Bachelor of Arts in chemistry, though he has like he doesn't have like a Bachelor of Sciences. He has a big fat as chemically. No, I think it's a true thing. Though I think he has a b a. In chemistry, and I don't know how. I think that's because I don't know exactly how that works, but I'm almost positive that's what chemistry is an art form if you think about it, I wonder what you

need to study to be an imagineer. I, well, it's actually so much more engineering than you think, because that makes sense. Well no, but literally, like I always thought, like when I was a kid, because I would always be on Real Question Tycoon and think I want to do this for a living with and then you find out exactly what it entails. And it's not like you brainstorm and like, Okay, what can Cinderella get up to in this theme? It's like it's not about co sign,

tangent or whatever the fun. Yeah you are you actually actually have you ever thought that you were going to die on a ride? Because I have. I think I was going to die, you know what. Okay, this iconically happened, um when I was on well, when I was on X two at six Flags. That is the scariest ride I've ever done. But I also I have been skydiving, so I've actually done things that have been close to death.

But thematically I remember when Bowen Yang, Dave Mazzony and I went the three of us to Disney World, like probably five or six years ago. We Dave had made these rice Crispy treats that were that had marijuana in them, and they were I've never been more high in my life. And we were just truly like slobbering and making noise the whole time, and we were having so much fun.

But we got on the Tower of Terror and it broke down halfway through, like right after we as as canonically in the car had entered the Twilight Zone, and so that's the scariest part where you could break down. And literally we were so high and just like sitting there and like it's dark, and we had we had committed so hard to the reality that literally someone like we were sitting there for like five minutes and it was full dark, and we're again in the Twilight Zone.

So we're sitting there like literally baked, and someone just comes in like enters the frame and we were like excuse me, sir, and they were like, hey, so you guys have to just get out of the car and walk into the set and come down with us, And like I was just like that's walk into the Twilight Zone.

They were like, they were like, yeah, yes, we have to walk into the pilots and like the Disney person is still like half heartedly keeping it up and also like come on bags, let's go, and so we were like, oh my god, like as the girls coming again us, we seriously walked out, stepped off the set into literally like an industrial looking elevator area and I was like, oh fuck, like and they're like, yes, when I go again,

and we're like, yeah, I guess. But then none. It was forever ruined because you know, it's not really the Twilight The illusion was broken and broke my buzz. Maybe a Taylor Swift will have a theme park, you know someone actually someone on Twitter like made of tell us sort of theme park. You've got to find it, and they drew the whole map for it and described all rise like based on all of her like songs, and

it was fucking great. It was so much fun. That would have a market, I mean more so than Tyra Banks Model Land, which was also supposed to happen, but like that, I think like a tailor theme park. Was that a casualty of the pandemic that that didn't happen. Well, I don't remember we talked about We talked about it on a previous episode, but I don't think it was a pandemic casualty. I think it was something that just

didn't happen, because it sounds insane. I mean you think you think to yourself like, oh, she's a singer, she can't have a theme park with them. But have you been to Dollywood? Because so good I've heard. It's not what you want to know, it's so fun. It's actually it was so surprising because I went expecting like a little rinky dink kind of state fair thing, and it

is a full on theme park. And my favorite ride was there is a mining roller coaster that's like a dark ride, and it was so fun, and the theme park is huge and expansive. And I was there right before Halloween, so it was all dressed for Halloween. And I also met Dolly like three times. So I can't believe you went to Pigeon Forge. Well, it was for it was a it was a press thing. It was for the junket for her Netflix show, So so it was like we interview Dolly heart Strings day one. We

interviewed Dolly. Then the next day we got a full free day at Dollywood, and then the next day was the premiere of heart Strings, which was at Dollywood. That's amazing, she an absolutely, She's so fun, so such a legend, so sweet. Clocked me immediately. It was great, love it. Wow. I mean we have to go at some point, we do. I've heard also that like the patrons of Dollywood are like shockingly diverse, like you would kind of gore. Didn't that? Oh really, I heard that it's very very very like

giving red stake. That was not my experience. I mean maybe it was because I was there with a bunch of journalists, but like I did see plenty of patrons who were, you know, like who seemed queer. Um. They did give us all Dolly bucks to spend, which is a currency that exists there, and we were able to spend it on food, but I ended up not using any of them, so I gave them to some very nice gaze that I saw Dolly buck to like usd like conversion. I think Dolly Dolly bucks are are better start.

That's what a crypto also have. They have like and they have like one of the world renowned best wooden roller coasters, in the country. I went on, you love love a rickety Racketty, I love a rickets And they have a replica of Dolly's childhood home that might in my Tennessee Mountain home. So cool that would actually make me weep, and I'm not I say that with no physicians. It's like it's like the size of this studio and

right now, So that's really cool. I mean. Also, the thing that's cool about her is like she completely supports the ecosystem of that whole city that the park. So she basically literally revolutionized her hometown with that and like people their work and you know, revolutionized and radicalized. And she told them all to read basically, I mean, she

has that literacy program. We're all going to Dollywood to that code of Many Colors, more like city of many employed people is going to take us straight to Dollar is getting is driving off a bridge and you know it. If you do go to Orlando and you only have a short amount of time, make it stay at the Universal Orlando Resort because if you stay in a good hotel there, you use your room key to get to

the frontal line on every ride. He doesn't for the Virgin And is that no code Virgin and make sure you tell that to all the ride off exactly what you're talking. But if you stay at a hard Rock Hotel, the Portofino Bay Hotel or the Royal Pacific Hotel, any of those three, which are really good hotels, you get to stay right on the resort and you're very close to theme parks. And if you show them your room key at the front of every single attraction, almost they

let you to the front of the line. And it's only those three hotels or you just like those three, Wow, that really is a hack. Any other prescriptions for Universal Lower six flags or anything like that. For versions Mary Walk, you have to Mama, just don't look back back at Margarite of Ville City Walk. It's an absolute dream. And joy I also would say, um, the Tooth Somems Chocolate Emporium, that's very good for all my people that want sweet

and savory. Yeah, what's the candy store that's there. It's sugar sugar that horrifies me. And then in the theme park itself at Islands Adventure, there's a really cute restaurant called Mythos, which is right next to which in the Lost Continent area. Wait Poseidon's Adventure. It's open again. It's open again. Shut that one down for years because of the pandemic. It's so fun, although I wish it was something that was you were moved through rather than having

to walk. You do have to walk through it, but that that ride actually has like iconic acting. It does and there's never a line. This is universal Yes Adventure, Okay Aventure, Poseidon's Fury. Basically, it's a battle between the Poseidon and his enemy. That's all I'll say. It's given kind of like the universal version of the Haunted Mansion, but not as fun, and you have to walk through it. Okay. Verdicts on the Haunted Mansion, Love Love Love, Pirates of

the Caribbean. This is my most controversial opinion. Parts of the Caribbean is such an iconic flop to me, the ride, the ride. Do you hate the movie as well? I can't stand. Oh, I'm not the ass fell asleep during dead Man's Chest You this is actually you don't understand how important Parts of the Caribbean is too, Rose like. I watch it once a quarter. I feel Here's what I'll say. I like the like the first movie more

than I like the franchise. The first movie, I think, yeah, it's all about Curse of the Black Pearl, right, so that one I like, I can't stand the sequel and the ride bores me to death. I love the ride. That's it's okay that we have a different opinion, even even though we have established that I am the Rose of Lost Cultures. But we're here. It's like in the multiverse, it's like we can't and you will understand after you see this movie. We we are at war, you know.

I think there's probably a multiverse version of me that stands part of the Caribbean. Probably probably think as in every universe, I love it. Okay, Well do you know that because I'm the Scarlet witche and well, you would actually be America shop Is. I think if you have the ability to go through universes. I'm so obsessed with Wanda. I loved one division so much. I don't want to see her become the villain, or do I do? I read really bad reviews and I didn't agree with them,

and I walked out of the theater. Can I say something about reviews? They're wrong all the time. They're wrong all the time, like and now being in things that are getting reviewed either reviews, and I'm just like, what are you talking about? Like, and I'm just I feel so stupid forever being like like sending a review to like my group chat and be like, oh, I guess this sucks. Like they're wrong all the time, and they're wrong when they say things are good, and they're wrong

when they say things are bad. And you want to know what it is. This is review culture. No one wants to put out a review about most things, which are yeah, this is fine, there's good things about it, and there's bad things about it, because that won't go viral online. Because viral online is this is the greatest film of the year with a transformative performance by Lady Gaga, or this is the worst piece of should have all time. Lady got should go to jail like those two genders.

But that's the binary. People don't realize that she should be in jail for genius, for being If I said she's too powerful, she is the scarlet. She has the scarlet which all the which I do feel even stronger about after seeing the whole my Hand music video, which, as France said, is basically just a Charlie incarnate performance. Yeah, it was like Charlie shipping her handed down. I really think she should date Tom Cruise. I think they would be such a power that makes no sense to me.

I don't think she can date someone that insecure, do you? What do you think? I mean? I saw that photo of her kissing him on the cheek and she described him as her good friend, and I was like, oh wow, this is officially the arrow. We're in, a Lady Gaga, like full on Hollywood sell out, like kissing kissing this like maniacal villain on the on the cheek. I'm going to write fan fiction about them. I really believe in

their loves. Sure, I mean, if they were to start dating, it wouldn't be it wouldn't be out of left field for me. No, we would feel a little bit like an arranged It would feel like an industry blog. I would feel arranged because nothing he ever does is as arranged as Gee Flip and Crusie Stoles and selling Sunset. And I don't think that's arranged. No, I mean, I'm just I did listen to hold my hand on the way here, and I will listen to it on the

way home. So he is the thing. The first time I listened to it, I was like, Oh, this sucks and it's so first thought and it's like whatever. It doesn't even feel like top Gun to me. It's like, doesn't reference take my take my breath away. It's like not giving me what I need. And I feel like she just wrote a ballad for any movie. And also I think she's like over singing it. But then I listened to it a second time and I was like, this is kind of in the best song of all time.

It's like it's doing that to me where I'm just really torn in both directions on whether or not it's like acceptable, and I think I'm gonna love It's my favorite Jo doing Born This Way drag and I love it. But don't you feel though, like sometimes like when I heard Shallow for the first time, I was like, yeah, no denying that, but that's the one, and I felt like I hadn't heard anything like it before from her.

It's like, hold my hand. I feel like it's like a ballad that could have been on Born this Way. What I was telling Rose, I feel like it it sounds like seven other songs that probably it probably was something that was or she wrote it in five minutes and like Top Guns, Original Labs, ad and that's all it needs to do. Not no, I mean, but I don't know. It's like I don't know what's been the best movie song to come out lately. Shallow Literally that was that to me is the most recent, Like I

can't think of another. I want to say, while we're talking about Disney fucking justice for Into the Unknown? What is that? It is a very good song, um, Adina, you know, a huge presence among us. Um. I think it's great. It's no let It Go. I think it's no let it Go. But also imagine knowing you had to follow up Let it Go and you come even that close and you're Adina, who's already your whole career

is about following up the iconic thing that you just did. Um. I do think Show Yourself is a better song than Into the Unknown. You know what. Show Yourself actually surprised me because I was like, Wow, this like dropped in more introspective moment and there's the yeah, the moment with the mom then it's like where she realizes she's really good.

But I will say, just like that line Into the Unknown where she says, um, don't you know this part of me that longs to go into the not I was just like, lungs to go there's part of me that longs to go into the unknown. I was like the lyrics, you know, is there a Frozen ride? Yes, it's an epcot. Okay, it used to be Maelstrom the

ride there in the Norway Pavilion with the trolls. They have now turned that into Frozen ever After Rosen never After, sort of a riff off of Carrie Underwood's ever ever After from Enchanted and got it ever ever After from Enchanted. That was a moment, as it was the music video where she's walking down the street, the iconic key change in the second chorus ever ever And it's not smart. It's weird how we culturally forgot about like enchanted. I

didn't just enchanted coming honey. I remember watching Amy Adams performance like at the Oscars that You're and being like, who is that was so brave. First of all, two songs, two or three songs nominated from Enchanted that You're at the Oscars. There's the one so Close and yes, that one that that guy sings. Kristin Chenowith came in. They gave her a whole fucking fanfare. They lifted around on a chair. How does she know that whole thing? Then

Amy Adams, I said to do happy working song. You're going out there cold by yourself nothing, and like barely she she committed to that and did it, and I was like, left her for dead. That had to be so hard. No, so at the time, she was like, she had an Oscar nomination from June Bug, but she wasn't like a big star. I didn't know she had a nomen by that point, but I had never heard

of her. Remember june Bug performance booked her enchanted, no way, that's crazy, but it makes complete sense, honestly, and it was a It was a true like theater kid performance, Like it reminded me of wind God. I did the Sound of Music moment, one of the I think most important moments in her career. Oscar performance. It totally re contextualized Lady Gaga and made her into someone that people

took seriously. After she had done American Horror Story. She's like, it's it's post art pop when she was like kind of flopping and that Oscar's performance is why we have pulled my hands. Fat, nasty and Broke, I would came on this bench as hell. You know what's funny, It's like both Gaga and Beyonce really tried the Oscars thing.

Remember that year when Beyonce performed like all the nominated songs with Hugh Jackman, right, or was that when he was Josh Growben sang with her once and then she did the song in French, and then she sang Learned to Be Lonely from Phantom of the Opera, which was a mini driver song from the movie, and they were like, maybe you're not because she famously did not sing in the movie. She did do that original song, she just wasn't in the movie. Well like you dare school on

Fantom of the Opera in my house. Well no, Beyonce was like very much at the Oscars for several years in a row. She had a residency. She was like was her Vegas resident. She was giving Oscar's performer there for a while. And then obviously Listen was nominated. She

did the whole dream Worls thing, etcetera. But Gaga to like worked the Oscars because people forget she probably should have won an Oscar for until it Happens to you And now that should have been Diane Warren's Oscar Wimen and now the people that have residencies is like it's like her. You know the music artist her, She's played Yeah yeah, she as as Hunter Harris of Ladies and

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