Heavy are the Breasts

This is so hard to say. I didn't prepare a topic for this podcast episode, and I need how heavy eart the breasts that whole of this, this burden my daughter. I'm I'm so sorry that you are carrying this weight, and um, I'm here to help you. It's okay. I'm wearing a skims bra. Wow, how how interesting my daughter,

I too, am wearing a floor length skims down. Um. The only solution really is for you to do I don't know five to ten suggestions from our mail bag from a come down are we're not calling it okay, I'm breaking on breaking character. We are calling it that come down. This is like a virgin of the show where we take loads. No, it's not. You know, we felt like it would be nice to change up the

format of today's episode. We have gotten tons of suggestions by way of our voicemail on what episode topics we could potentially take on a k A. We saw some of the topics in the air table that are amazing. Producer Phoebe put together and said, that's a dumb idea, but we can tell talk about it for like thirty seconds. No. Um, well, but we love you listeners. That's it. There we go. We always like to end on a high note. There, yes, um, so let's start listening to some of these calls and

giving you our live, horny reactions by love. Okay, but before we get there, we we we have to you know, go through today's like internet garbage and news. Right, but I'm so horny, So you know, rose, Um, we are recording the day after the Oscars, and you know, there there's something that happened that I feel like it's at the forefront of everyone's brains right now. Um, something really controversial, which is that you know, like the Chrispians are, we're

in mourning right now. It's it's it's a huge loss for the community. Ye as it turns out there's not a possibility. I feel like, okay, was she spected to win or was it kind of a toss up between her and Jessica. I think last fall into the Holidays, people were like, Kristen's winning the oscar, and then as we entered two, people started realizing, like, that's probably not gonna happen. Yeah, I did not think it was going to be Jessica, and I saw eyes of Tammy Faye.

Really liked her performance, and even though like I don't have much of a frame of reference for Tammy Faye Baker, the movie was fine. I think it could have been sharper and funnier, maybe a little meaner, but you know, people love that kind of transformational role. So similarly, I adored Jessica in the movie. I thought her encapsulation of

the character was like NonStop fun to watch. I agree that like the movie, Like, I don't know why we needed such a sympathetic kind of portrayal of her, Like I would have loved to see her couplicity in this situation because clearly, like there's no way there was all this like kind of like money laundering and like for going on like she gets off Scott Free, you know what I mean? Yeah, there were some rose colored glasses

like you know what, Jessica. I guess she's like one of the girls who had to win at some point. So this is probably the movie that it makes the most sense for her to win for, especially since he

was she was so invested in it. She's been investing in Tammy Face story for like, isn't almost like ten years or something like She's she bought the rights in I think, But listen, my main issue with Jessica is that I don't know why the dress she wore for the Vandy Fair party was not the dress that she wore for the Red Carpet, And this was kind of an issue all around. The Red carpet looks for the Oscars were bad, They're boring out, and the and the

Vanity Fair party looks were incredible. My best dress of the night Dako to Johnson, Really to Johnson and Gucci. Oh my god, I didn't even see it is immaculate. My note about the Red car it is Jessica Chastain and Nicole Kidman both should have sported the draggy blocked brows of the characters that they played for the ass they should have done earlier. James Charlis No, yeah, full divine,

just like drawn on blocked Elmer's blued down brows. Also, Hunter Shaffer's Rick Owens dress was really great and she was styled very well as well. Hunter Shaver was definitely maybe my best dressed for the night as well. I loved Maggie gillen Hall. I did like her Scarelli Yeah, this hangar. I love all like Scaparelli, like gold, like you know, embellishments whatever. I thought Timmy was worth the hype. I thought like people were freaking out about it, and

I thought he looked great. I kind of agreed. Also loved Codie Smith McPhee and that like baby blue Botega suit. So I guess we do have to address the slap herd round the world. Well. Actually, Jada also was best dressed for the night for me. I thought she looked. I thought she looked. I loved her dress. I loved the color of it, and I loved the sense of drama that I did not love the specifics of the drafts um. I was on a plane when the slap heard around the world. Have you landed to it. I

landed and it had happened like two hours ago. I can't believe you didn't pay for internet. I mean, I love not having the internet on a plane. You pay for in planes all the time. I do when I need to work. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but this was one of those nights where, you know, I'm kind of I was very it was a very manic night on the internet, and this is we're coming to Monday evening. Today on the internet has also been horrible. You know what, I

think celebrities should go away for a while. Yeah, I think my My thing is just like sometimes especially with things like this, it's like sometimes this is an intracommunal conversation and like I don't know if I new just see these like white entertainment bloggers, like you know, making memes out of like what's happening right now? Sure, but it was such it's like a such a like this will never happen on live television. I just can't. I can't believe we are living through this. Yeah. Um, and

it was a little hot anyway. Anyway, moving on from the oscars, because I'm sure by the time that's coming out, everyone is sick of talking about it. You know, It's one thing I'm not sick of talking about is the Guilded Age, Which is funny because I pretty much never talked about it during the whole run of the show because we record on Monday's, usually Monday mornings, and the Gilded Age famously happens on Monday night. Famously. Um, it's

a Monday night slot that's dark. Yeah, So I kind of never remembered to talk about it because you know, the new episode wasn't coming until that night. The previous episode had happened a full week before. But this past week the season finale of The Gilded Age aired, and I have to tell you, almost nothing happened all Stephen Stas. The stakes are so low. But I have not enjoyed a TV show that much in such a long time. I was in Guerrilla Grip of the Girls, the Girl's

Gaze and maybe They's of the Guilt. It was a stunning season of television that also was bad. Um the lead of the show. Who is Meryl Streep's daughter, worst actress on television? Um? But you know, beautiful gown Meryl Streep's daughter, Meryl streeps daughter, she is so wooden and there is no light behind her eyes. Um so, but you enjoyed the serious question. The show was so good,

but it's but what do you mean by good? Because everything you said before that doesn't sound a beautiful period costume drama of people having indecipherable tension with each other.

Um it gets a lot of things wrong, Like you know, it's by Julian Fellows who created Downton Abbey, and you know it was really effective on Downton Abbey was that it was this period drama that was about the above and below of a big aristocratic house and the guilded ages, not that like they kind of flirted with giving the servants some storylines, but they were always like, that's forward.

I want to get back to the rich people, you know what, like tried to talk about like new money and class and race and like to to to varying levels of success. But I really loved the whole thing. I'm so excited there's going to be a season two. There is, yes, in season two. I need more sex. I need like a thousand percent more sex. There's a gay character on it. I need him to be horn here. I need more gays. I need Christine Baranski to maybe where Eyeliner. I've heard that the gay character is like

aggressively boring. Honestly, I haven't seen it, but like Christine Baranski is probably gayer than this character, you know, yeah, in a way, in a way, Um, but I thirt I definitely recommend it to anyone who wants to watch. I definitely won't watch, but I support you. Um. Speaking of shows where nothing happened, we have yet another episode of drag Race where no one was eliminated. I'm I'm currently opening the window so I can ump out of it.

When it happened, I laughed at because I was thinking of you just tearing furniture up, and I was ripping the wall paper on. I was in my mother's house in Florida, just I was like, I don't live here. I'm destroying everything. I you know. I will say this was the one elimination where I was kind of okay with their being the chocolate bar. I thought it was

the perfect person to get the golden ticket. But at the same time, we are fifty episodes into this season and two girls have been eliminated, and you know, I felt this episode was like actually kind of juicy and complex, Like I didn't really understand a lot of what the judges were doing. Like I really felt willow Hill, like one the episode, you know, with the Green Fairy, I thought Camden was amazing, but I was like, willow Hill won that. But I think they tried to say like

that Willows like runway performance wasn't up to part. But like, here's the thing, and I feel like you will agree or have some sort of take on this. I need the judges to just say the runway matters or it doesn't matter. And it really differs from week to week, and I think it also kind of matters depending on like the producing of the storyline. It is infuriating they do it when it's convenient for them, and I hate that and I just wish that there was like a

separate evaluation. I want to see the scorecards. I want I because I don't believe that there are and I want to see the fucking scorecards. And here's the other thing. Is like if I was a producer on the show, I'd be like, you know what, we just need. Every week there is like a Runway winner and it's like, congratulations, lady Camden, you won the Runway, and that means absolutely nothing like that would actually be really funny, you know, but we know you won the runway, but it doesn't matter,

you know. I agree that Willow should have won based on the challenge because Lady Camden's win felt much more like the end result of the drama between the Queen rather than the actual performance that was happening on stage. Like it was very narratively satisfying with everything that happened to her in Bosco, but what Willow did in the

rucicle was so much better. What's most important to take away from this episode is that our girl George's has come out in solidarity against theater faggots hates musical theater gays. Did you not love? I thought that was so fun. It was funny, but I was also just too distracted by wanting to throw Deja out the window as well because of that fucking look. She's a seamstress and she

has not looked good once on the right line. Not well. Actually, I thought the shoulder pads look was like, fine, which shoulder pads look? The one because for the shoulder because every episode has been a shoulder pads look for the shoulder pads challenge, which I actually felt like she should have won, but it wasn't It still wasn't that good. You know, all of her looks made me want to called better, help help me exactly. Um, just kind of putting putting the shitty little cherry on top of this

like garbage dump of a newsweek. Um. We didn't talk about or text about the fact that Putin defended J. K. Rowling very publicly. I've been trying to not engage with it. But it is funny how it kind of forced her hand, but like she did not really like let herself be forced. There is actually like no other public figure that I can think of that is more like Voldemort than Vladimir Putin, And it makes her look so bad to be defended

by this man. Like what do you think is like, it's it's kind of like, girl, look how fucking orange your love. Literally it's like, I mean, obviously there's no nuance to add to this conversation. It's just like the fucking it's just like we live in the most cursed time that is so curse, Like it's it's it's it is so cursed. Yes, But you know what, in the midst of all of this, I was able to find

some joy through the escape of the movies. Because when I was in Florida, my mom and I went to see The Lost City the new Sandra Bolam com and it was so fun and like, you know, some great little performances by some of our good Judy's Patty Harrison and Bowen Yange love to see the girls booked and busy. And also it was a tight hour in thirty minutes. Way you know, if I had a drag race scorecard, length would be number one. I am so ready. I know it's not a summer blockbuster, but it felt like one.

I'm ready. It felt when I went to see it at um four pm on a Thursday in Boca Raton, Florida, that theater was packed in March. And you're like, I love summer like March, And that's how I know it's going to be a hit. Yeah, I'm excited for that. Probably get to sequel. Oh yeah, I would watch like I mean, it has the makeup of everything I want

in a in a movie like that. Um, I watched King Richard funny enough, I watched it on the plane and then landed to the moment that is the most plane movie and existence well that and the Greatest Showman. You know. That's so it was definitely a very good plane movie. I thought it was gray. Obviously, Will Smith like earned that oscar Um I thought he would. He

totally disappeared into the character. I mean, what's funny is that the character of the dad I thought was going to be like kind of like his pursuit of happiness.

Air was like, this is like the most glowing, beautiful superhero of a dad in existence, but he's actually like a complete tyrant and a little bit of an asshole, and like what he kind of does to Serena and Venus is like very weird and hard to watch, especially since it's so based in truth but has a character he's like ultimately likable, which I was like, how did you do that? You know? I wish that the portrayal of the dad was less sympathetic. Obviously. It's like the

same thing like Tammy fay Baker. It's like this person is kind of bad, you know, Like I just wish that Will Smith had a fall from grace and he didn't have it in this movie. Well, I will literally never watch it, but it's really I mean, the tennis matches are they made me care about tennis. So did they ever use the song tennis Court by Lord. No they didn't. Well, then it's a flop in my book. Yeah, I agree, Yeah, or they didn't use any songs from

the band Tennis Tennis. No, it's very excited to move on from awards season and move into our mail bag. Come down. We're not calling it the com the come down? Virgins, can you please advocate for us to call it something that isn't the come down. I absolutely think that if we pulled them, most of them would want us to call it the compoune. Okay, first up, let's play our first call. Hi, guys, love in the podcast than I really think you guys that need to cover the classic

film show Girls from the nineties. You've probably already seen it. It's not I highly recommend you checkout show Girls. But also they're just released a few years ago this amazing documentary kind of talking about show Girls and its legacy and how it's a lot. But it's called you Don't Know Me. The main character, her name is Nomi Malone. I would love, love, love to hear your guys's perspective on it. I make every single one of my friends

watch it. I have Showgirls themed parties. I am truly obsessed. Okay, I have to say I watched this in Quarantine, so I'm at recently cracked ebb in virgin the film show Girls, not or the documentary. The film not the documentary. Um. I was like, I had obviously heard a lot about it. It's kind of like a very Mimi movie. It's like a kind of gay right of passage. I distinctly remember being at a cast party for I think our production of Flower Drums Song, um, and it was like on

TV in the background. So I did see in my youth the pool, the swimming pool, the infinite sex scene. I thought, it's a stunning movie and like would be in a god tier kind of like echelon of movies for me if it wasn't for a completely and nonsensical and gratuitous like gang rape scene that happens at the end that like really should just be taken out of the movie and like has no place in like the film. But like I loved it outside of that, you know

what I mean. Yeah, I It's one of those movies that I grew up like being aware of and then always was like, Okay, I guess I'll have to watch this one day because I'm gay. And then when I finally watched it, it it was very anti climactic. And I think it's a really bad movie, but not in a way where I'm like into how bad it is or like obsessed with its camping, as I just think it's bad.

But Kyle McLaughlin is so hot in it. Oh yeah, I mean every everyone's hot in it, but Kyle McLaughlin especially, and he's like kind of an astounding and like unconventionally kind of hot and character where all the others are like just supermodels that have never acted before kind of Elizabeth Berkeley, um not a good actress, although she does some stunning work in First Wives Club, which incidentally, we should do an episode on you think, Um, you don't

known me? Yeah, I mean, so here's the thing. I think there's a conversation to be had about badness in movies, and because you and on this podcast talk a lot about things that are so bad for me, Yeah, some things are so bad they're good. Some things are just

playing bad there. Some things are quote unquote camp which might not be bad or good, you know what I mean, which I think a lot of people miss um define the term everyone met Gala about this, we actually should do I met Gala episode actually um, but I but this is actually a very I think belongs to a class of movies similar to Tommy Wizzos The Room where which this movie is very famous for being bad, and that I think that a big part of the premise of the documentary is did this movie want to be

bad or did the director actually think this was a good movie? Because some I think a lot of things, you're like, that could be a legitimately bad choice, but then some of them you're like, wait, like what plane of reality is this director? I think the director is just bad directing. I I think it's maybe a combo. I don't know. I know, I think when you're being as melodramatic as this movie is, being like they thought

they were. I say they because I don't know the gender of the person directed, but I'm assuming it's a man um. I thought they were going to win an Oscar for this, you know. I thought that it was like a serious film with you know, like heightened stylization and like it's not it's not trying. At least that's my opinion. It's not trying to be bad. It's trying to be good and is bad. I don't know, swings back around to being enjoyable. I think, yeah, I think

it might be that as well. I I feel like, um, something that's kind of the choreography is very shocking, like it it has like a violence to it that I like never would have expected. Also in terms of things I didn't expect, the movie is really long, Like it's like one of those movies where like why is this Why is this movie so long? You know what I mean? Like I didn't I didn't sign up for the Batman. Have you ever seen like any sort of like burlesque

or like have you been to the Box before? Yeah, of course I remember, Like I think I'm once with like a Mandela Poor's table or something like that. I think she was like there every Wednesday or whatever. Um, And it's like predominantly like CD business guys. It's all like the worst straight people with a lot of money, yeah, and queer people who are being paid to be there.

And I think that's kind of why. The thing about that's the thing about show Girls that's like kind of hard to digest, is like those people are kind of the movers of the plot, even though the women should be I don't know. I guess like no, me is like the engine, but like she's so beholden to like the decisions of men. Like pretty much the entire movie. Hate it, do you really? Not even the kiss, not

even the lesbian kiss. You know, it's just so for not the audience who ultimately received it that it just it doesn't you know what. It's fine. I can understand why people love it. It just doesn't really do anything for me the movie as a whole. It is kind of I do enjoy um movies where sex scenes don't arouse me but they scare me. Oh, I actually think the sex scene in this one is hot. There are a lot of sex scenes. Well, I mean the one in the pool. I think it's just the way she

thrashes around. It's a very interesting figure eight kind of movement that she does with her is motion in the ocean, which is that yeah, yeah, have you ever been a Vegas should we Go? I have been a couple of times. We go to should we go? We're going to see play, We're gonna go see I want to see play. I don't want to pay for it, though, well I will for me, for my ticket, my my ticket, everyone that I please. I have plenty of people who won't want to go to play with me, so you know I

really do, actually legitimately wanting. Okay, well, then buy a ticket. Next call my friend and Rose. I just finished listening to your Lady Cheethcake episode. Very briefly, I wanted to share that in eighth grade, I auditioned for my middle schools protection at Annie Even Musical for of course the role of Miss Hannigan as any first role, and at that very liminal space when kids were just starting to get internet on their blackberries. But no, god, I love blackberries.

So when the cast listed posted online, I saw the Ivan cast in my dream role of Miss Hanagan. But it turned out that they posted the row list and when it went was posted up next God, Hanan, this is of course, Oh my god, why are theater teachers so meet? I wanted to share that the one piece of media I've made all of my friends watch is, of course Avatar, the Last Cairvender. I was that kid who watched it in two thousand five, and was it tough? That it taught me everything that is good and bad

in life, etcetera. Etcetera. I did make all of my friends watch the episodes with me weekly over zome for months on end, and then I need them watch the Legend of Cora. So I am that girl and I

would love for you to talk about it. So, I mean, I haven't seen like the Avatar like original series or whatever, but I thought maybe that the listener was talking about Avatar, directed by what's his name James Cameron, and like the thing that must be said about Avatar the movie, which aren't we supposed to get a sequel or something we're supposed to get like twenty sequels to the Avatar movie and the dates keep being announced as if that means

anything because it's been delayed so many times and it's still like the highest grossing movie of all time. But like, like ask a stranger on the street if they've seen the movie Avatar, they will say yes, Ask them what the plot of it is, and they'll be like blue people yet literally, but that the thing that also Kate Winslet is in the sequel is she she's like booked for it and busy if it happens, um is coming back even though she died she dies in it. But

this is what I'm saying. No, I do not remember a single detail from the movie. I do the love Avatar. Okay, Well, all I have to say is that, Well, why don't you start? Then you induct me because I don't remember any of the movie. Well, if you've seen Pocacontas, you've seen Avatar. What. Yeah, it's the same plot. Is it supposed to be like an it's just the James Cameron's a hack. So so it's about colonization. Yes, that is

the entire plot of the movie. Okay. And also it's basically Atlantis, which is also kind of the plot of Pocontis. I love Atlantis. Atlantis is what we should talk about because Milo is hot. I mean obviously. Actually the main takeaway from Avatar of the movie is that the Navi

are hot. Also, I've been to the ava our section of Disney Um, which you know only exists because they couldn't get Harry potter Land because originally Disney was like bidding on Harry potter World and J. K. Rowling demanded a train. She wanted a Hogwarts Express and Disney said no, and so she went to Universal because they were like, obviously, we'll give you a train because we're gonna make a

jillion dollars um. And so Disney was like, oh, well, we need a theme park world that like is like on a similar vibe of like you know, like this like world building where we can like sell a lot of merch. And they were like, well, Avatar is the high scrolsing movie of all time that no one's actually knows what it's about. Um, And that's why the Avatar theme park exists at Disney. And the ride in it is actually so fucking good. Really, I like almost cried

during No, Yeah, I did. It's so good. There's a part where you can smell oranges. It's amazing. Four D Okay, it's like for D, you really never disappoint me with your theme park knowledge. Ever, I love theme parks. We should do a theme park episode. Um, can you tell me the standouts from the movie, because the only thing I can remember is the NAVI sex where like the little like kind of thallus appendage like goes into the well. Yeah, they put their braids together, and it's like that's it's

so vivid. Okay, here's Avatar. This is what Avatar is about. Um. There's a planet called Pandora. Humans have colonized it for like some precious mineral that it has. I think it's it's called unobtained. Um. It's a letterally because they can't

obtain it. God's so stupid. Um. And so this guy who is a paraplegic is like part of the you know, like military, and goes there and he joins this thing called the Avatar program where they project people's minds into these like lab grown bodies that are like human DNA mingled with the Navvy. And he is in this body and is like hanging out with the Navy and meets and then he becomes friends with them and falls in the Wizoe Sildanna and then he's like humans are bad.

And then they like there's a war and the Navvy triumph and he oh he and he gets he. They do this ritual under this huge tree and his um. This is after Sigourney Weaver has died and his mind gets permanently transplanted into his avatar body. Oh that's a great ending. It's kind of a trans story. It is that is super trans And I also have to say this is deaf trans species. Trans species. Now that is

what we should putting through the Supria Mama. Okay, so I have to say, like, um, his name is Jake Sully also, which is like the name of the main character. And didn't that guy not do like literally anything. Now he was in one other movie that's cuckoo bananas if you're in the most profitable movie. And I also seeing Avatar movie theaters was like one of the top five most stoned times I've ever been in my life. I

watched Dead Sober, which means I need to rewatch it. High. Um, yeah, I mean the Navy are hot, is like the most important thing to take away from this conversation. And it really is Atlantis. It's not it's not pocon I mean they're all about No, it's it's Atlantis. Because I'm sure there's like a thing on Tumbler somewhere where they have like all the story beats side by side. Well and it's the same plot. There's even a part where they

like I can understand each other because of magic or something. Oh, I see, listen with your heart, you will understand. And that's what grandmother Will is like, Oh my god, this movie is so problematic, like we can't even but like I think John Smith doesn't. Doesn't he ultimately go to he goes back to go with him. Well that's in the sequel no no no, no no. Pocon Is stays back and waves and then she goes with him in this so okay, I have I cannot be overseated that

this is a movie. It's like the movies are so egregiously racist, racist and like insidiously like an eraser of like obviously indigenous people. But like they made a whole second movie about how Pokehon has went back to England and that's like based in it, but it's like a happy version of what is like the saddest story about like a like a pre teen Pokehon. It's like being

basically kidnapped, but you know what, just around the riverbend slaps. Unfortunately, I was in the car the other day getting down to colors of the wind high Road, Hyprion. I'm calling you guys because I need to tell you guys about the X Files. It was absolutely, in every possible way, my sexual awakening. I have never wanted to watch two people have sex more than Molder and Scully, and as a bisexual, I frankly and had an absolute toss up

about who in that show was hotter. You have nine girl Power, you have David Ducoviny with the hair, they're both wearing suits. There's all the conspiracies, and the fucking government is out to get us or is it the aliens or lies? The whole thing hot, just hot. I've always wanted to sit in a basement room with a poster with the UFO on it with somebody have years and years of tension while we try to figure out

what the government is lying to us about. It is UM my number one obsession, and I think I am literally searching for um for my threesome with David ducomany and and Scully. In every aspect of my life, I only wanted to do do some with Jillian Anderson and that's it. She can peg me. I'm sorry to say, UM, I've never seen it. Did you watch? I was a casual watcher of The X Files when it was on TV.

I think it was like maybe a little young. It was like, it's very scary, um and I. But I did see the movie when it came out and was really obsessed with the movie and had the action figures from it. Oh wow. I think what I liked about it was that I did like the part of it that it was very unclear if the aliens were real or you know, what was going on. But I think like then there was the aliens were actually real. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

I mean this belongs to a class of media that I only know from commercials because I maybe wasn't allowed to watch it at the time, but didn't he go on forever? Well it there was a it came back as a as a movie and as a TV Yeah. I watched the reboot. I saw the reboot movie in theaters and it was fine. Um. I think like one of the big things about the show was like, not only the are the aliens real? But you know, will there won't they will Muldern Scully get together? And I

believe they did. They had a kid together. I think, Um, they were both extremely hot um and and kind of like peak nineties hotness. They very much are kind of like the archetypes of like TV leading man, leading leading Lady. Did they precede Men in Black in terms of alien um espionage? Yeah, because aliens were all the rage in the nineties. Oh yeah, because of Roswell. Did you ever watch the TV show Roswell? No, Sorring Sheery Appleby. I

didn't even know it existed. Oh my god. It was like, um, Roswell is Buffy era um, when you know, like supernatural teens were all the rage. And it's about a girl who lives in Roswell, New Mexico and gets shot in a diner one day and a sexy alien heals her with his alien powers. And it was Catherine high goals breakout role. I feel like I was not. I was not when I watched Men in Black in theaters. I'm pretty sure that like I had to leave the theater because I was too scared. I was. I'm not joking.

I had a really low threshold for fear at the time. I was probably like what, like, you know why I had to leave the theater because I thought the scene where the alien drank sugar water was so disgusted. It's so it's so gross. It's it's really discussed unnecessarily necessarily gross. That was another I don't it was a scared yeah

to gross humor. I don't need it. It's a little, it's a little but anyways, Gillian Anderson can tell me anything, honestly, there's like a little not that she ever went away about the Gillian Anderson renaissance that's kind of happening right now. The gillisance as you if you if you will um is truely I was founding. She is good in every single thing she's popped up in in the last like

five years. One thing about the X Files of the Creator so really have always been incredibly opposed to fan fiction. Oh my god. Really wait, like to the point where they would send fan fiction writers cease and desist letters just like wait, what um because they didn't want people like playing in their sandbox. That's like when when like what was it? Like Spielberger Scarcese was like these streaming services are just going to ruin everything or whatever, and

you know what I mean, It's like you can't. If you're gonna make art, you have to like your beholden to the culture you're giving it. And it's also like fan fiction is the only artistic medium that people are not trying to profit off of, Like, yeah, we have the fifty shades of gray of the world, but those are outliers. Fan creators spend hundreds and hundreds of hours creating incredible art literally just for the sake of making it. Yeah, Wow.

I have seen people right, like hundred thousand words stories that like no one reads like passion projects God, and they're not and they're not monetize able at all. Next next call Hi, Rosen Fran Obviously, I love you so much. UM's why I'm calling. I know this show is a little problematic, um now in but Ugly Betty one of my top Watching it and hearing all of the really do bad things that they say now, um, just recognizing

it and knowing that it's bad she's talking. It was just very helpful for me in my life, just getting me um. Comedy and the jokes and just everything. I love it so much, um, as well as you guys. Okay, bye, love you too. UM. Vanessa Williams will Amus Later one of the best to ever do it, actually one is and present one of the most amazing villains of television. I adore everything she does in this series. Ugly Betty is one of my favorite TV shows. It's I mean, yes,

some of it hasn't aged well. The trans stuff is particularly bad. There are also a lot of fat But but I love it and I love Alexis Mead. Yeah, and I'm allowed to say that. On the trans stuff of it all. Like I'm always astounded by actually, like the number of like trans friends that I have that love this show, love this show, and yeah, it definitely didn't do it right and like, um, but it did it, but it did it exactly and that was almost Um.

When we say things are ahead of their time, it almost always means like fucking data, now, you know what I mean? But like it was ahead of its time

in some ways. And something that I remember very vividly about Alexis meads plot line is there is this really heartbreaking scene where she kind of takes a guy home for the first time post transition, and um, she thinks it's going really well and he's like they're kind of having a bit of a romance, and she finds out that he's working for her dad or whatever, and she like and she leaves the room like very confidently and bravely, and she's like she like kind of like tells him

off or whatever, leaves and then she closes the door and like collapse. Do you remember that? And I remember it? And that's the thing is like trans women on TV in the late nineties early aughts were like dead dead, but no, I'm saying they were dead bodies and drug addicts and like they were. There was only one trope of like trans women at the time, you know on TV and like Law and Orders for you or I don't even I've never been seeing that. I don't know

if that's true, but like never seen you. We don't know my favorite TV time. You just said that about I have a lot of favorites. I think I've said this on the podcast before. It cannot be overstated and it is not an exaggeration that Ugly Betty is the reason I work in media period. I had. I never had a model, a modeling so strong and a point where representation mattered so much and where I was like, I want to be like the little Latin girl that their bosses like treat him like ship all day, you

know what I mean, Like it was just aspirational. Well, who I wanted to be was Amanda. Of course Amanda was my favor You are Amanda well, but I wanted to be like Amanda slash Wilhelmina. Yeah, I mean, no one, no one has ever done it like Vanessa Williams did it. No one ever will we need Vanessa Williams back on TV it's a great ensemble cast as well. And because the show was pretty successful at the time, I had

great cameos. I had like Lindsay Lohan. I remember she was supposed to have a whh my god, Lindsay Lohan cameo so incredible. It was like it was like at the time when Lindsay was like in Press Hilton. Every day she was spinning out. And she famously was fired from the show because she was supposed to have a full season ARC I think, or multiple us at ARC, and she was I think fired after the second episode. So many good guest stars, Samahayak, Victoria Beckham. Oh yeah.

Also I always thought it was funny that the main guy was the gay guy from Cruel Intentions. Oh yeah. And also, um, there was a pre I think pre fame Octavia Spencer playing playing um, what's his face is boo? His like caseworker, and then with him and then she convinces him she blackmailed him. She blackmails him into marrying her for the green card, and she shows up to his house in a wedding dress and then she collapsed and she's like Ignatia love Anna Ortiz is that she's

um Betty's sister. Oh my god, yes, Hila, Yeah, yeah, I'm glad it ended after four seasons, like even though there could have been more, it did, I think, and on a high note agree, And I love that Betty got her braces off, got you know. I also think like the stuff she was wearing is like what I see the fashion girl he's wearing on TikTok now very ahead of her time. Yeah she was, And yeah, I agree.

I think that show land in a good place, and shockingly, at least from my experience of it, I remember the third and fourth seasons being actually pretty good, like it's it's a Taylor novella, so it's like very off the rails, but at no point unwatchable. What about the episode where they go to Wicked, Oh my god, because it's her favorite I'm not that. Oh my god, Judith Light, Judith Light, Oh my god. And she the reason why I know who Judith Light is. This in lawn order. Unfortunately, this

is the reason I know who Judith Light is. And I didn't know who Vanessa Williams was before the show. I did because of Into the Woods and and also like she was such a thing in the nineties Yeah, she was big on Broadway. I mean she was a big like adult contemporary music. And this was right around the time that she had her kind of come up in after like the public shaming of being fired from Miss America and speaking of Pocahontas. She did the cover of Colors of the Wind Will Not Cover, but she

did the soundtrack version. Oh my gosh, honestly, why are we not putting Vanessa Williams in TV shows again? Put some respect on her name. Oh the Summahiak cameo she was also, well, she's got like a whole season arc. The whole season well, she famously executive produced it. That's right. Um. It was like kind of maybe her idea to reboot it. It was. It was so huge its first season. Didn't it win like every Emmy? It was the show, I

think so. I think that's why they were able to get such crazy cameos, very buzzy, and then I think maybe like the writers strike heard it a little bit. Oh, this is one of those right. Oh my gosh, I killed Pushing Daisies. It killed this r I p pushing days. I've never seen audi. Uh. I just wanted to tell y'all I haven't even finished this book and I've been

telling everybody about it. And it's called Thoughts Without a Thinker by Mark Epstein and it's about integrating Buddhism and psychotherapy and it has been Um, it's a really good read. I mean, it's one of those that I can't read it quick because I'm just sitting there and like processing everything and applying it to my own life and meditating. All. That's a really good book. I just want a job to know that did you write it? And also I'm one of these assholes. Also that it's really into uh

our dough? Like I started, do you want us to do an episode on sour dough? Wee hobby? I read this person psych on it. I don't know. I feel like I want to delete this voice now. Now, Oh my god, that's so cute. Oh I was sorry, guys. I love y'all. I love your podcast. The really stuck the landing? Did they figure out how to hang up the phone? Though it's still going okay that they really stuck the landing on that one because we didn't know where we were going from the beginning, But like I

was endeared by the end. Um, would I will you be reading that book. What was the name called thoughts without a thinker mood? No thoughts had empty You know what's funny is I am actually like I almost exclusively read self help books. Is so bleak. It's honestly me and Janny Wolf like we just love self help books. I don't know what it is. I haven't read this. I probably am not going to get help. But but but this, this reader has absolutely won me over, and

I have you. You need to know that Buddhism and sour dose starters are a great way of life and things that only enrichie as a human being. And also I have never made a sour dough no, but you make. You're a very good baker. You baked me that loaf of bread that was much better than the same look of loaf of bread I tried to bake. So you're saying on the record that it was better than your

loving I am no. I was so. I was having a bad week and I had seen this recipe on TikTok for chocolate banana bread and decided I was going to make it. And as it was cooking, a friend called me and told me that they were at my house and had brought me a loaf of this chocolate banana bread that they made, and it was very sweet and very thoughtful and so much better than the banana

bread I made, which I did throw out. And the reason I made it was because you sent me the TikTok and you're like, I really want to make this, which is very unusual for me. I do not cook ever. Yeah, for Phoebe just said, that's the easiest bread to me, the peanut gallery. No, that is so. I look, that's that's t Um. I have to Actually, I can't do anything right. I'm so soft without a thinker. This is about to be a podcast without a host, big bike

without a baker. Um. I feel like I just have to, you know, do my friend thing and end with some sincerity. There's a little book about Buddhism, or rather a compilation of Buddhist teachings called the Pocket Pemishdurn, which is like a really gorgeous kind of like gorgeous. It's a gorgeous gorgeous books, you know, appropriating another culture's religious She's a very famous Buddhist monk that unfortunately was kind of like metude Um. Great, everyone go out and buy her book.

And support her. I look, people make mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes, everybody has this is the most unraveled recording we've ever had. It was a very unraveled all But anyways, okay, no, I actually have to give a serious recommendation. Also, can you please start putting your pronouns and when you call, so that we don't misgender you. I actually don't care.

I mean, actually the thing I don't care. I would like to know how to refer to people, you know, I mean Frand just said, I don't care about people facts, don't care about your feelings. Okay, but Shapiro, Frand Shapiro.

What I meant to say was that, Um, I think that we as a culture over emphasized the import of pronouns, and I think that if they are important to you, you should state them, and if they are not, we will defer to they them pronouns, which I think also just culturally, people think it's like totally okay to defer to the them pronouns, which is like not always because you could be like miss gendering someone by doing that. Um.

But anyways, anyways, I have to this book. The Pocket pemish Adren is a collection of teachings from the Buddhist monk pemish Adren. And if he's canceled, who we don't believe we like a virgin, do not concept of cancelation. She was Metude for not um not. She basically was complicit in abuse that happened in her monastery. I believe that we should consume things, as we've said in original episodes, consume things and then make their history stick. That's why

I said that she had been Metuo. Anyways, her books are wonderful, and so if you don't want to go and read all her books, it's all truncated in this teeny little pocket him of children that literally changed my life. Hi, I'm calling this kind for no reason. I wanted to just tell Evils how much I love the podcast. From the very beginning, it was you have a Harry Potter one. Um. I just I was bor than seventy eight, so I'm older than you all, But I like everything you're talking about.

I just finished the Final Toll podcast. I'm not on social media currently for my own mental health or look good for you getting there, but I did use five star reviews on Apple podcasts and on Spotify podcast and for everyone I know. And my name is Phoebe, so I love you another Phoebe, an iconic name. We're doing it. Um, I would say like Twin Peaks, but I feel like that's kind of a thing that everyone who's already watched now.

I was actually watched it when he was live on the air, So I was eleven years old because a mother who liked David Lynch a lot, which was went too early for them as a result, kind of petrified for life by it. And we'll always been say a certain characters names. Um, I love you guys to dress Buffy, I love it all. Just thank you so much for doing it. Please keep doing it. Thanks that nice. Okay. Have you ever seen Twin Peaks? Okay, I actually have never seen a single episode, but I really wanted to

watch the Laura Dern edition of it. Do you know the basic premise or do you need me to know? I actually literally know nothing about it. Okay. Twin Peaks is a TV show about a small town called Twin Peaks, and the inciting incident is that this team girl named Laura Palmer is found murder and so this detective named Dale Cooper played by Kyle McLaughlin say his name heard multiple times in this episode, comes to town to figure

out who her killer is. There's a lot of suspects and like at first it seems like, you know, maybe it's just like a weird who done it? And then it turns increasingly otherworldly and spooky. Was created by David Lynch, you know, the like Autter Mastermind. It had several different iterations because the original series lasted for two seasons. The first season is really incredible. The second season goes kind of off the rails because Lynch actually left it. Um well,

he's like that makes no sense. He's like literally like the spine. Well, I think I think the thing was like the main question was who killed Laura Palmer, and he really wanted to never answer it, but that's iconic. But people were really concerned with finding out who killed her because it's like it's like not the point of

the show. And so then there was there were two movies I believe um Firewalk with Me is one of them, and then recently with like a couple of years ago, there was Twin Peaks The Return and it is incredibly weird. It's really stylistically captivating. I feel like that's what David Lynch is like known for. It's like a highly stylized, like um style of directing, and that the fact that he has this kind of postmodern if not I was gonna say surrealist, but I guess it's more like fabulousm

kind of thing. It's also surrealist. Um. Everything is super heightened. Another Lynch movie that I love is Wild at Heart, starring Laura jurn In Nicolas Cage, one of the only other movies I like Nicholas cagn I don't think I've seen Wild at Hard waits. It's fucking weird. It's so weird.

There's this one scene where, so it's about Laura durn who's like runaway with Nicolas Cage, and there's one scene where her mother, who's trying to get people to like hunt them down and kill Nicholas Cage, is on the phone and she's putting on lipstick and she's like going insane and she just keeps with the lipstick like overdrawing and overdrawing and overdrawing until her whole face is paying Oh my god, I feel like I've seen that. And

definitely it's like it's like a tumbler thing. For sure, and it's I'm sure there's like drag queens who have done refts on it, Hi Bran and Rose Um. I just listened to your musical episode and you asked, what like popped our cultural terry. I feel like there's many a moment, but musical wise, like it wasn't. The first musical I saw was High School Musical? Big deal for you,

because I lost my mind. I was like in the fifth grade when it came out, and I had it on DHS tape and I would watch the first half of it one day before school, and then the next half of it the next day before school. I would wake up for watch it. And this went on for months. And I love Decca that wo actually kind of really demand to you. I think I also loved Ashley Tisdale

like I still do. Okay, Yeah, I was just wondering if High School Musical was like as big of a thing for YouTube as as yeah as I feel like it is for the world. Oh father's son, how's the Gucci? Um? I definitely, you know, watched High School Musical, But I think part of it is that I'm a little old. Like it came out in two thousand and six. So I was a senior in high school. So I definitely saw it and I saw the second one, but I had kind of aged out of being the right demographic

for it. I was exactly the demographic when it came out. I was in like I was like three years older than That's what I'm saying. As I was like, I think a freshman in high school or something like that, and I remember like you could not escape it, like you it was like so it took over the entire culture of our school, and it was actually I remember being I remember being annoying to me, and it was one of those things that I've always had good taste.

I feel um, and I feel like one of these times, okay, yeah, one of these things I feel like um with uh this in particular, I get I often get really allergic to things that everyone says is really good, you know, and like on the baseball you look at it and you're like, I don't think I'm gonna like this. So I'm just I don't need to be another person that talks about how good it is, you know what I mean. Yeah,

I just yeah. Anyways, Um, I definitely jerked it to zac Efron, though, like when I was You know, who I was obsessed with was the girl who was a dancer and she had that one line where she went, I loved I love to pop and lock and dance and break. I just kind of active on TikTok. I don't know. I don't know what you're referring to, because I actually have never seen it. I have seen the sequel. You've never seen it? No, I never. I told you.

In high school, I decided I didn't need to watch it, and so I've never seen That's crazy, Um No, I've never I've seen it. It is very much like the stratification of musical Holy sh it, that's a brave thing to you know, like but not it's not very gay. No, it's not. And Zach Efron is in it, which is crazy and straight I know, but he is a twink, he's like, but he is the straightification of musical theater culture. Yeah, but that's so confluting. Hello, have you seen you've seen

the Greatest Showman? I guess what I'm yeah, because I have many times. I watched it on like every time I go into plane, I watched The Greatest Showman. I'm obsessed with it. I think we should so good and we should take that out just for credibility. No, I love the Greatest show, and I'm not ashamed to say I've never seen it. Um, you will cry when you watch it. You know, musicals can do that to me. I wouldn't be surprised. But I have to say. What I mean to say is that this movie is unfortunately

gay culture of that generation. Like gay men loved this, and and and gays were horny for zac Efron. He was a thought. It was that teen girls were horny for no gay guys too closeted gay men. I think we're this was a cataclysm and and that and this was an unprecedented heart throb that entered the culture at the time. Time we had been in a desert. We it even years since Jonathan Taylor Thomas, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, it was very it was very

tiger beat. Um. But I just I think I actually had a problem with high school musical because it's all about these like the popular kids being like wait, actually singing dancing is kind of cool, and like the villains of the movie are the theater girls are actually Tisdale and her fag brother, which I think is wrong, and they, to me are the actual heroes of high school musical. And I would like a village in origin story about Sharpey. Let me tell you if there's one. I want her

Joker origin story. I would like to hear who was styling actually Tisdale for these red carpets, because that I think she was styling herself. I think that you think, I don't know? Can we can we can we look at some of these just like she has reacted to some of them on TikTok. Really look feather boas studded belts. We have some boot cut jeans. This is actually skirt over jeans. Yes, skirt over jeans culture that was huge though,

Lindsay Lohan, Hillary Duff, like the tiny piano purse. Listen, this is this is a smile like she's on so much riddlin and I think we have to you know, they all were, you know, every High School Musical cast member was getting Judy Garland was getting the Judy Garlands special. Like when they weren't on set, they were in hamster

wheels getting electric shops. I have to say, okay, listen what Ashley Tisdale is doing on the Red carpet is actually so brave because this is post Libby lu said, you know I had to do it to I'm pretty sure Limited Too had already descended in the could this is Justice era? High School Musical? I I did see the sequel, I've never seen the third one, which was released in movie theaters. And then High School Musical is

the reason we have Olivia Rodrigo. I was as she broke out because of the show High School Musical, the musical of the series, which is actually I think a brilliant which I think. That's what I've what I've gleaned is that it's a show about a school doing a production of high school musical at their school. Yes, which is and it's maybe the school where they shot High School Musical. But how does that have multiple the metal Layer? Have you watched it ever? Okay today, I'd be curious

to know, like how how it look? You were You're you're a little what a little Olivia Rodrigo fans called. I like her music. I'm not going to watch High School Musical the musical the series. Look, I don't know how deep, I don't know how deep the roots of your fandom are. Sometimes you really you really surprised me with But I do remember last year when Good for You came out and she only had like two songs

on Spotify. If you were listening to her and like after Good for You, it would go to the High School Music series songs, so I definitely heard the first like ten seconds of them by accident, by accident, also High School Musical. Give us Vanessa Hudgens and I am of Vanessa Hudgens Truther. Of course, of course people are going to die. Thank you so much for calling. We really love hearing all of your calls, and please keep calling because there will definitely be another time where we

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