Girls Girling: Pride (Bonus)

useful emotion. Oh you found Yeah, well, shame is one of those well okay, I guess. Like, on the one hand, shame is kind of like a landfill emotion. On the other hand, I think shame, like embarrassment, in a way, is like social caution take or like a social bumper. It's like it's the same way that like pain lets you know to not stop doing something. Like pain is like your body being like, don't do that, that's bad

for you. I think shame is kind of like that, but about your behavior so you don't do it again. But I don't think it's as like cut and dry, because it's not always yes, because shame can be very extremely valid, and there are things that you should to be ashamed of, But then there's also shame that is totally grafted onto us by society, by other people. What

have you right? For example, tonight, when I go to a party at the Boom Hoom Room and inevitably get monkey pocks, I will experience cham I what I don't want. I'm not going to ask. This is not that podcast. This is not that kind of podcast. But what we will discuss is the Boom Boom Room. Let me tell you, do you like or do you dislike the Boom Bom Room. I've had fun there me too. I feel like it's it is a completely overrated I've had fun there, and

I've also found it extremely lame. Yes, I think it's an extremely overrated New York institution that is also iconic, and you can't help but feel a type of way when you're at it. The last time I was at the Boom Bom Room was with you Um for the after party for the out Pride dinner, at which I had a hundred and two degree fever. Oh wait, but do you stay for little Kim? I didn't stay for Little Kim, but I went up briefly to the Boom Boom Room. Wait was that the Yeah, that was the

last time I was there. I was there, I was there some other time before that. I will say that around there that I can't remember. That party is very easily the best party I have ever thrown. And I can take like a lot of credit for how well that party went, and to the queens that I booked to do back up for a little Kim and like, I feel like I hauled ass, as did the out Events team. Did you ever see content from the Madonna party at the Boomoom Room, the one that was like

the Boom Boom Room is back. Unfortunately, I I have that was one of what truly some of the worst things I've ever seen in my life. And everyone knows how much I love Madonna, but that was she should have stayed home that night. Getting into that party was actually the most difficult party I've ever gotten into. And I have gotten into a lot of crazy parties, but

like that was like a labyrinth of gay nonsense. And you know, the Boom Boom Room for those that are the virgins at home who don't know, it's like a truly like multiple elevators and like a labyrinth of like halls and mirrors and staircases that kind of lead to the same places, but it's still really difficult to navigate sometimes if you're like you know, drunk or cooked out.

And I basically got into the party by like sneaking in through one of like the back elevators, by following a group of people that I thought was V I P or whatever. But like every corner of this party was like crammed with like B and C list like gay celebrities or whatever. Like I was like elbow to elbow with like Andy Cohen and Anderson Cooper who were like yanking each other by the arm to get through

this like sardines crowd of people. And like Adam Lambert had like his like shoulder pads with like studs on them, like muscling through this like crowd of Madonna fagets. And let me tell you you probably know this already. Madonna fans are the worst class of people. That's you know, we're speaking of people who stand pop stars. I think it's very hard to call any of them the worst. Yeah,

that's true, that's that's sure. It's like Madonna stands are like I would say generally like in the context you're talking about like a sort of older white man, white gay man. Oh yeah, I get what you're saying, but I think there are you know, worse stands out there, and yeah, true, true, true, there are you know. It was it was too flippant to say the worst. There are so many stand bases um to take that title.

But um, Madonna, you know, obviously she did like I think four songs which were actually like she was great, but like after her performance, she was like, Okay, I'm gonna bring up my friend Zachary Quinto and we're gonna

raise some money for LGBTQ homeless youth. It's like two o'clock in the morning and this this venue is like, I mean, the booming Room is like so so illegally packed with like Madonna bags that are like coked out of their minds and have been waiting for hours for Madonna and don't want to be there for the fundraising portion.

It was insane. The thing about Madonna is that Madonna does still think it is at the at the latest two thousand three, maybe a dozen six, So that is that is truly the setting of any um, you know, interaction with her I have also had my own Pride experiences with Madonna positive So is this turning into a Madonna episode? I mean, it's Pride, after all, it is Pride.

So the fiftieth anniversary of Stonewall, you know, Pride fifty, I interviewed Madonna for out and that was crazy to talk to Madonna for ten minutes and then saw her. It was the first time I'd ever seen her live. Saw her concert after when she performed at the Pier Um truly incredible. She did four songs and it was amazing. UM. And then I saw her again that year when she

was touring. Um, madam X. I love Madonna. I don't love Pride as much, you know, I guess because we are people whose works Center's queerness three sixty five days a year, twelve months, fifty two weeks, and by the time that this month rolls around every year, it's exhausting. We also, both you know, have worked places where we had to lean into the very you know, like corporate ties, Hello fellow gays. Kind of pride. We have cynical outlook on the state of pride and LGBTQ and LGBTQ media

in general. I think, I mean I haven't. I haven't not worked during Pride since I was I don't know, like twenty four saying maybe, you know, like my whole adult life, Pride has been a thing where I was either working parties, working as a journalist, working as like a corporate queer. And then this year even we're still kind of working during Pride because we're making this podcast and we're doing our show in New York. So I mean it's great because, like, you know, the girls get

their coins during Pride and that's fab. But also it's just not something that I care about or have any real stakes in. It's just like we are, you know, cynical queers who know that this is a good time to get like attention and money because it's unfortunately the only time of the year that you know, culture at

large is willing to give us those things. Yeah, And I feel like that the way you feel is kind of how a lot of people feel, right Like, I think that there's just like a cultural exhaustion around the Pride industrial complex, and like, you know, the June one memes, like we see it in that right Like, but I I don't know, it kind of bums me out sometimes because capitalism really has ruined it for every on like capitalism and police and all the other things that make

pride something very icky, and it doesn't feel like it belongs to us anymore. But like, really like pride in its best form or the best version of pride is like when you do it on your own, and it has nothing to do with like the parties you go to or the programming that you figure out, or like, you know, the coin that you make. It's about finding excuses to take off work. That's literally, it's just like figuring out how to avoid work and doing something dumb

and gay and slutty instead. I do feel kind of haunted by pride, and there was actually a summer where I was hunted by Pride. One summer that I spent in Europe. I was traveling a bunch and every city I went to, it would be Pride in that city

that weekend. And I had left New York at the end of June, so I left Pride and then went to Europe, and like every new city I went to, they were like, oh, this weekend is our big Pride Pride, And I was like, no, I'm being punch across across the continent by Pride international haunting this and people would be like, do you want to go do a Pride thing this weekend? It's like, please, no, don't take me to a club and give me some speed. Oh my god. I I mean I love International Prides. I've been to

a lot of different kinds of prides. I unfortunately the opposite of you, I slash. I'm like the opposite of everyone. Like I really love Pride and I are disgusting. I love this month and it enlivens me and makes me happy. I do, yes, love this month. Yes, because babe, like you're so pure, friend, But this is what I'm saying. I don't love the month because I'm gonna go to

the fucking parade, you know what I mean. Like I don't love this month because like I'm gonna go to thinking Harry's shaving companies like Cocktail Party or whatever, you know what I mean. Like we're like we're like cock sucking, you know, Like I don't care about the Spahn con.

Like I'm telling you that when I'll give you a cocktail when the clock strikes June one, I will not do anything that I don't want to do, period, Like I will not do it, and that I think is the mentality that everyone should have around this month because you know, it depends on what your job looks like, but like you really can maneuver your way into like really not doing things that you don't want to do,

you know. And I want to validate that because we have had to have some annoying conversations with people this month, and I love that you're taking no ship from straight people. Attitude is on a thousand this month, and it is great because I like, I have, you know, sort of like a low level um like apathy about all things three six or five days a year. Um, but you, I think, especially during this month, just absolutely we have

no time for this had her own nonsense. No. I love that I have gotten to benefit from the roses referring to a very specific incident that we can't talk about on the camera, but um, I did choose someone out recently. Well, we're only on camera for each other, We're not on camera for the listeners. Look, look, mama, I come camera. We are camera ready. You look stunning. You have beautiful blonde hair, luscious locks. The virgins should know you like You're You're back to blonde baby, and

you need to stay. The color did not change at all. I just got a trim and a blowout. I know, but it looks just that my hair looks disgusting all the time. Wait, do you want to know, but your hair looks more blonde? Do you want to know why I got my hair trimmed? Why? Because yes, cover they

come yes, no, um, but still sex related. Yesterday I was hooking up with someone and they very sexily were like, I love your hair, like you know, the blonde is so hot um, and then went to tenderly um you know, uh, run their fingers through my hair and couldn't because it was so tangled and dry and nodded at the ends, and I thought, well, I'm getting a haircut tomorrow. Wow, that's that's pretty. Did he notice or were you able to? Like? Kind of he kind of like? Um, he was nice.

He didn't recoil, He did not recoil. He you know, um gracefully pulled out my hair um, and did not try that move again. Um. But it was a nice You know, sometimes sometimes the universe calls you in and says, honey, it's time, it's time. So do you have like a favorite pride memory? Yeah, I was actually just talking to our friends Coco and Mars about this. Um. I my first year in New York. I you know, didn't really

think I was going to live in New York. I thought I was going to just be here for a graduate certificate program and then like you know, moved to the mountains or some ship. And I experienced basically my first like big city pride and had never seen so many queer people in my life. And that was the year that Domo was struck down, and so Pride was particularly lovely. And that was also the year that Gaga gave a surprise speech at the New York like opening

rally or whatever. And I remember lining up like waiting and since like noon to go see Gaga speak because I had literally never seen a celebrity before in my entire life. And her speech was beautiful. By the way, it made me cry. It's like on YouTube somewhere, but she talked about I hate that I'm recounting this, but it really was beautiful. She talked about how she said love winds No, I mean that too, but she said, um.

She was like, you know a lot of people like to say to me, Gaga, I knew you when like I knew you when you were, you know, playing at piano dive bars, and like I knew you when you had like you know, no social media followers or whatever she was saying. And she was like, and now I get to say to you, I knew you when you didn't have rights in this country, and like I knew you when you couldn't get married, and like, like it was it was really beautiful. She She's delivered in a

much better way that I'm doing. Um, and then she like transitioned. She was like, um, I would like to think Mark who does my hair, and I would like to thank John who does my makeup. And it's like she was just thinking all of her gay friends is so beautiful. And then she's saying the Star Spangled banner, but instead of saying that flag was still there, she said that Pride flag was still and she pulled out

a bride flag. Um, anyways, we are really discovering that friend is like a yes, God, no, like a chase. It's literally it's literally the only time I've gone into gone to like you know, a sanctioned rally or whatever. But like you have to know that, like I was coming here from corn fields in Indiana. I was coming from a place where you could scroll grew then you got corn Holds and Williamsburg. I wish I was coming from a place where you could scroll through the entire

Grinder roll in like two minutes. And that was all the gay people in your like you know, square my radius, like all the people grinder on grinder, you know what I mean. And I just like, I had just felt so overwhelmed by that feeling of being surrounded by queerness. And the next day I accidentally her into the Dike March, and Edie Windsor was like, is the moment the moment if you also do love the Drag March, which is oh, I've never seen that. Actually, march is great. It starts

in the East Village in Tompkins Square Park. I believe um and and that stonewall and everyone sings over the rainbow. Of course, that's very sweet. Although I had a really horrible dysphoric experience the last time I went to the Drag March. Oh no, I'm sorry, that sucks. Well. It was the year that Pearl put me in drag for her YouTube channel. Oh god, that would make me feel insane,

and it was really cool. But then I went to the Drag March and just felt like everyone thought I was a drag queen and that I was a dude, and it was like the most psychotic I've ever felt in public. It was really crazy. See. And then I went to a lady fag party afterwards and my friend and I were like, we can't deal with this right now and went back to his apartment and just railed a lot of ketamine. Oh that's nice. So that was not my favorite Pride memory. Oh um. At the Dike March,

there was like a surprise. Basically. I was like, I wandered out of an hnm into the Dike March on accident, and I was kind of a metaphor it really is, it really is. And I was like, what is the spirit? Like, you know, just like lesbians like drumming with their tops off and I'm like, wow, I'm home, mama. And then there were these saundered out of a and m into the Dike March. So beautiful. That should be on Love Victor.

And there were all these lesbians holding up this huge Dike March banner and they lifted up the banner and from underneath the banner crawls out, you know, five ft five Eady Windsor back when she was alive the year that Dolma was struck down. So she is the literal superhero of this moment. It And she comes out from under the banner and she's wearing a T shirt that says nobody knows I'm a lesbian, And I was just immediately started crying. Like I just looked at her. I

was brought to tears. And that was like a really crystallizing moment. Like that weekend, I was just like, I've never experienced so many kind of like queer magical things in a row. There was more that happened that weekend, and I just kind of got addicted to that feeling, I guess. But like I mean, obviously those things were like very pride e but like pride sanctioned events aside, like that magic happens all the time. Um, a horrible pride memory that I have. Well, this is actually kind

of dark, but it's also was. I was writing about it yesterday and infuriated me. Um. Remember the year that Nick Jonas was like gay bating out the wazoo, So that was also the year which you support I mean, his thighs were incredible. Um, there's actually a BuzzFeed video of him reading a tweet of mine about his thighs. But this is, unfortunately the year of the Pulse nightclub shooting, and he came to the fucking vigil in New York for Pulse and gave us speech and I was like,

that was It was so disgusting. And I remember being in the crowd and being like, what the fuck is happening? And everyone in the crowd was confused. But that just goes to show it's like girls, like celebrities, like get your ship together, like what are you doing? Like know what space is yours? And what isn't you know? I

think that my favorite Pride memory. I mean, I'm sure there's some like more ephemeral moments that are maybe like truer, but I do think that watched so Um one year I threw when I was still working in nightlife, I threw this Pride rave called Oasis, and um, Charlene performed because she was kind of like our She was like the settine of our parties, like Allah Mulah rouge, and she took her first shot of estrogen when she started transitioning on stage at this rave full of like a

thousand people did. Yeah, I didn't know that. While she while she performed Fruit by Marina I love Fruit and it was like, truly one of the most transcendent communal experiences I've ever had. I started sobbing. It was like incandescent. It was amazing. Also, one year threw a party where we had drag queen mud wrestling, which was pretty fun. That's fun in New York. That was a good Pride Yeah, wow, I love that chick. It was very messy. I have

so many good memories of like going to Rease. I'm going to Rease this Sunday, skipping all the Pride things, all the marches, like couldn't be me. I'm going to go to the beach. Let's go to the beach. Beach each let's go get away. I never want to go to Reese again. Ever. I hate it. What, Yeah, I want to go to a nice beach. Ah rees is

the best beach in the world. No, it's not. It's really not, just because it's covered in garbage in the in the water looks like sewage, like what and it takes like seven hours to get to Yeah, so what's but that's what you might as well just go to Fire Island. It takes the same amount of time. It doesn't take the same amount of time, first of all. Second of all, I mean the Fire Island beaches are amazing, but the experience of Fire Island is kind of horrible

compared to like Reese. I feel like, just just we're different girls, and wow, really I feel like Reese is like crunchy queer core, like I've never seen so many top surgery cars like and I like that part of it, but like it's just the whole Like Reese is giving like Queer Exchange Facebook group vibes, and that is not that is kind of the vibe. But I don't know, I just think it's so brief. Speach is someone posting I have half a Margarita pizza in my fridge, does

anyone want it? And the first comment is a gluten freeze that is exactly it, which is an actual post that I've seen on Queer Exchange. Is it really? Yes? One time I saw not on Queer Exchange, but one sometime I saw a post on Facebook that was like, does any want to come over and help me eat this gluten free brownie? Penis that I have from a bachelorette party and it was like the biggest, ugliest, gnarliest looking penis made of brownie mix that I had ever

seen in my entire life. Okay, well, let's wrap up our final Pride Phone this episode by looking back on this Pride season, which has both flown by and dragged on, and let's do this housewives style, or, as producer Phoebe said, queer commune style, queer commune house meeting style, queer commune nose meaning yeah, is there something we can hold to show who's supposed to be speaking? Dildo we pass around? Well, I actually hold on one second, I'll get your Rose

Cords dildo. I'll go get my Just kidding, I don't have one. I have a little bottle of the lube, the Dakota Johnson lube I actually had drying in my in my sink, my my crystal butt plug which I used yesterday that's very stunning, um, and which I cleaned off after I used to clean your sex toys. Very smart um. So I'm holding it. So I'm what we're now going to reveal to each other is our rose which is appropriate because my dildo, my Crystal Dildo has

a rose on the end. Um complimented. But I'm not allowed to speak our rose and our thorn of Pride season. So here's mine. My rose of Pride season is that I got a literary agent and and making really great progress in my book, which is like not Pride related or anything, but like whatever it is, what it is. The and the thorn of my Pride season is I could do my rose and then come back to you. Okay, yeah, okay, I'm gonna I'm handing you the plug. Um, so now

you tell me what the rose of your Pride season? Okay, Well, first of all, I feel like you know, you said, oh, that's not Pride related, but it is. That's the thing. It's like, if you're doing something for yourself, that's pride. Right. Also because probably if and when I sell it, I'm sure they'll give it a Pride release date. No, really like it'll be coming out June to money or something. God,

that's probably true. I mean maybe not. Actually, Detransition Baby didn't come out um during Pride, I don't think um, So that's I mean it is. Unfortunately, yeah, there are no other trans novels like, I mean, no I mean there's like what Nevada and like that never did not get anywhere near as close in popularity as like Detransition maybe although the Republication maybe, I don't know. Um. Anyways, I was just gonna say, for me, pride is we

all have this icky memory association with ugly asked rainbows. Yes, the rainbow is ugly, and we are admitting that here on this podcast, and the updated rainbow is even uglier, and like, I don't know, we can be as cynical

as we want. But like, for me, like the things that defined pride and my rose for pride was seeing Hole picks Um, which is Mother Teresa's drag show here in New York where she curates just an exquisite panel of drag talent, and the show is a true like piece of theater, like all of the songs bleed into each other. There's no time between songs. They're like little

sketches throughout. There's an overture, but she calls in an overture and she'll just like play a song, like she'll like blast a Sophie song and you'll sit there and wait and then the drag will start or whatever. Um. But it was like one of the best drag performances I've ever seen. Props everyone that was involved in that show. And then afterwards just like hanging out with everyone ordering chicken sandwiches. I did katamine with my ex and then

like smoking cigarettes and talking to everybody. And at the end of the night, it was like two am and I like never go home that late ever, And my friend Cheeky was like, oh, do you want to like bike home together because we both had to get city bikes and bike home, and like it was a full moon, and I like lit up a joint and we just like biked down the empty streets of Brooklyn on the way home together just talking about like how much we love Drag and how good that show was and like,

I don't know, it's so like cinematic and beautiful and like I don't know, moments like that like just like make me so happy. Like literally, like the stuff of life is like all that you need. During Pride season, honey, uh, that that sounds lovely. We need thorns, Okay, So my thorn this Pride season has been well that thing that we can't talk about on the mic, that thing that we can't talk about. But if I'm being sappy my thorn. This Pride season was being so far away from you

all month. But that's why these special Pride Bonus catchup episodes have been so nice because it's an extra you know, um court appointed time that I get to see your face every week. It is has been really nice to to show up and just catch up and key. But also I'm so glad I get to see your face. I r L so soon. Wait then, on the day that this podcast is being released, I will be in your arms. Yes that's true. Okay, what is I'm throwing the dildo the butt plug in your face? Um, I

haven't had that much sex. To be honest, I should probably say, oh, it's been so sad not seeing you two Rose, but that would kind of feel like, you know, kind of cheap, but that I wouldn't. I would not accept it. I feel like you would. I feel like I mean, but that that is true, Like it has been really shitty to be far away from you, because like Ashes here and so like. Otherwise it would be like I'm so far away from you and Ash oh and Channi's here too. Um, but it's so it's just you.

You're You're literally all alone. I know I'm aware soon you will not be. Um, I guess yeah. My thorn is that I haven't really had that much sex, and I kind of thought I was going to come here and like clean up, But I'm having sex tomorrow. Um. Well, I'm very excited about that for you. And thank you everyone for listening to all of our Pride Bonus episodes.

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happy pride, Happy pride. You can't break, so you can't break your cock outside, but you went that outside, release your academy,