Girls Girling: Nightlife (Bonus)

on apart frants in New York. I'm still in Los Angeles, and you know, it's pride and we should be closer than ever. So we decided that, you know, we wanted to spend a little time together catching up over zoom and figured like, why not record it and make content out of it since that is what we've done with

our entire relationship. Well, you know, obviously we protect a lot of our friendship as well, but like, this is a moment where we're like, as a gift to the virgins, we want to bestow on you because it's a pride gift. And we talked about like what this could look like, and we mutually agreed. Even though I violated the agreement immediately, we mutually agreed that this would be a non news discussion.

This is a key, Okay, this is we are just like two sisters catching up talking about our lives in a way that is very different from the other podcast in which we usually catch up and talk about our lives. Yeah, exactly. Well, the thing about having a key is, UM, you have to like go out and do stuff so you can later talk about it. And that's going to be really a bit of it. Make it. I didn't say it. I wasn't gonna be the one to say it, but you hope that you it was implied because it wasn't fled.

It wasn't fling. But like I, thankfully, thankfully, I've had a very eventful week emotionally saying saying I And we're also in UM. This is usually the time when I would be in therapy. So I'm going to use this as an excuse to um, you know, pour out personally details for thousands of people to listen. Yes, I'm happy to be your therapist. This is a lovely update in our relationship. Can we talk about the power of adderall because so I'm trying to find a psychiatrist because like

I've been feeling very unfocused. I'm working on a book right now, and I need an adderall prescription. Hopefully none of my potential psychiatrists are listening to this podcast, and we'll know that. I've been getting m P and France to give me uh samples, a sample sample, And the other day I slammed an adderall. And when I tell you, I have never felt I mean obviously like I've used

adderall before. I by vans like everything, but I forgot just the power of like when you have something you need to get done, taking an adderall and just like sitting down and just fucking blowing through it and knowing the whole time that you were a genius. Genius. No one in the world is more creatively talented than I was. I was like, right, I was writing a couple of chapters of the book I'm working on, and as I was writing, I was like speaking it and like typing

the words. That's like a good process for me. And when I would finish a chapter, I would like read it all back and I'd be like, oh my god, you are fucking Joan Didian, you are jk rowling like you are. It isn't it amazing when you use adderall for it's like defined purpose as opposed to, you know, recreationally like snorting it at parties. Well, the first time, the first time I ever did adderall was also the

first I ever did cocaine, which you chicely hate. I hate cocaine, But the first time I ever did both of them. I was in college and there was this kid I went to school with who did have an overdose our first semester of college. He survived, but one night he just like came over to my dorm room. We lived across the hall from each other. It was like, do you want to do cocaine? And I was like, okay,

I've never done it before. And so we did a bunch of lines of cocaine and mixed with adderall, and then he put on these ruby slipper platform shoes that he had and we just walked around the block that our dorm was on for like six hours. Oh my god, that is honestly, that makes me nervous. I I I

don't even know the first time I took adderall. It was actually my prescription adderall, so I don't have like a kind of crazy story, but I'm trying to think up the first time I did cocaine, I did feel like my heart was going to explode, which I also the summer Out for Local original recipe existed when it was when it was like before before they literally had to change the formula because it was getting people like

too drunk into hype. My friends and I used to like slam to four locals into an eight ball of cocaine just to like go out or just like hang out and like talk. And you know when you do that, like that cocaine talk where you're like, oh my god, I love you. See, we are the best friends in the world. We're gonna be friends until our nine You are my sister Molly talk. But also a little coke talk.

I guess it's it's fast talk. It's fast talking. You're just like exchanging ideas very fear ferociously, like sitting in someone's bedroom lit by a single like lamp and just talking about like rolling in the deep which would just come out um and talking about it for like eight hours. I think the first time I ever did coke was at the Diamond Tor shoe and they used to do this amazing plub kid party that I can't remember the name. Yes,

pretty ugly. That was, like, I mean, this is back when I really was I did count myself amongst a class of men who date men um and that really it really was like a fucking men party, but they were at least like clubs. That was also when I counted myself as a class of men. Yes, not multile not multi level marketing schemes, but mm um yeah, but I I I think I remember really loving that party because you know, we got to turn looks and like that. The looks were like really really good. But I think

the venue is no longer called the Diamond Horseshoe. It's called like the Samsung Galaxy Arena or something stupid like the Yeah, every iconic venue is slowly going to be turned into you know, cryptocurrency dot com or whatever. Like every single venue is getting like you know, they get bought by a corporation with a really ugly name that you don't want to have to say all the time when you say meet me at the zok doc you

know bar or whatever. I mean, that's why nightlife has changed so much, because like At the time when I was working in nightlife and was throwing parties, it was a time when there were a lot of venues and there were all these d i y spaces that you could rent for a night if you like had you know, a couple of thousand dollars and you could throw like a disgusting you know, queer rave at. And now like if you want to throw parties on that scale, like

they have to be a level of like corpora tized. Yeah, and exactly it's and people getting paid, like like club kids like submitting W two's to get paid. And let me tell you, getting club kids to submit W two's, I can tell you from experience impossible. Getting a drag queen to fill out one single form. You might as well like she might as well be dead. Like it's it's not going to happen for you, Um, but that

is it really does. That's something that really sucks about nightlife, the gentrification of nightlife, the kind of collapse of financial infrastructure and nightlife is like in order to have like a really successful party, it has to either cater to white men or charge you know, thirty five dollars to enter. And it's and that sucks because like night let people

in night life deserve to make a living. This deserves to be a viable job, and everyone gets should be paid their due um, except for like the scammers and the abusers, of which in nightlife there are many um. But like I I just I don't know. It makes me depressed sometimes. Yeah, it really does come down to like who has the ability to fund space? And I guess at the time when I was throwing parties, it was just like a little easier to make that happen.

But also when I think about it, like the people who were like renting venues and like did it because they had some kind of top at all, or like some kind of hustle. Because there weren't a lot of like permanent venues. There was the spectrum, which you know, like r I P went through, went through so many iterations.

Actually I was gonna say, I said rest in peace, but it's really more rest in chaos like that that unless you're doing it at a really big scale or like has some kind of like backers or whatever, it's really hard to make money and night I mean trying to do gorgeous, gorgeous this party in l A, which is by the way, on the tenth at the Resident in downtown Los Angeles, you can get tickets, you know if you just check out my social Like this party,

it involves so much planning from the four of us, UM, DJ, Louis La la Omar and myself, and yet like we are barely breaking even because we want to pay talent and we want to pay hosts, like everyone wants to be paid, And I fucking hate parties that don't pay people, Like there are still, especially in West Hollywood, parties that are like literally not paying hosts, being like you get to drink tickets and your name on a poster and that's that. And it's like it's like that is that's gross.

That's gross, I know, And that hasn't changed since I was working a nightlife and I started, like I started throwing parties ten years ago. Yeah, I love the Poppy Juice model because I think when I hosted like a few prides ago, they paid me I think like three hundred dollars, which is like a lot for a host in my opinion, But and also like they emailed me and they were like, you know, you don't have any responsibilities, like here's the poster assets, but like you don't have

to like bring twenty people. We just want you to have fun, Like your job is to show up and have fun, and like you know, like bringing people thing. The first party I ever hosted, we used to get paid per head of people scam scan. This is an m l M MLM and MLM Lally, there were nights when I like, I only brought to people and you know, so I would make like like or what I where it was. I remember one nay I hosted this Susanne barsh party and I was there for literally forty five minutes,

and then I like went to her. I was like because I had another party that I had to work that night, and I was like, hey, babe, like I have to go, and she was like, oh hold on, let me let me write you a check. And then she had her assistant in the middle of the dance sport. She wrote me a check on her assistance back and gave it to me, And I made I made more in like forty five minutes of being that party that I did like in a week at my full time office job. That is iconic. That is like I love

Susanne bar so much. Um that reminds me of the SNL sketch Checks, you know with Sandra and Oh my God, and it's written by Bowen and Julio. Is one of the funniest SNL sketches of all times. Like Checks, Well, Susanne barsh is very they never speak of this again. She said she still pays everyone by check. She has an a o L email address. Of course, she lives

at the Chelsea Hotel. Like that is the only person to this day to live the Chelsea Hotel because it used to be like an artist residency where a lot of different kind of long types of people like maple Thorpe and Um Patty Smith. I actually UM had like an affair with someone who by affair, I mean like I picked someone up at Nowhere Bar and like spend a night with him. But that's an affair, that's a

Brooklyn affair. Yeah, he was in town, like he was a tourist and he was staying at the Chelsea Hotel. And this was right after the summer that I read Just Kids. It was like such a quintessential New York experience book is so perfect it is, I like picked this guy up, we went and got pizza and went back to the Chelsea Hotel and fucked all night, and I was like, I am Patty Smith, I am Robert Thorpe, I am all I am Well oh my god, Okay, wait, you just dug up so much for me. I used

to host this other party at Beauty and Essex. Do you remember that place? It's like I used to live her on the corner front, so non non New Yorkers. Beauty and Essex is a speak easy style um bar wherein you go through an instrument repair shop to a secret kind of bar that's like covered in red velvet. It's very sexy and sleep but it's also like garbage. And the worst people in Manhattan thrive in Beauty and Essex.

And I would ascend this velvet staircase pastor rope if you like, you know, said the name Fran at the door, and I remember I felt like so sheet. But it was all produced by Michael, who's this like cereal like horrible person. Honestly, a lot of party promoters are horrible people, Like I mean not to name drop people. Actually we can just we can. We can bleep it, but we'll

bliep it up. You do start feeling when you work enough of those parties that like you, like you understand that you are there to provide atmosphere for the people who were actually paying to be there, who are paying you to be there, and there is a very fine line of feeling very valued and very disposable. Like I mean,

this is like a like totally stupid whatever example. But at Holy Mountain, the Lady Fag party that I hosted, like from the beginning of it, I don't know if you ever went, but it was at Sleep and in the main room, the Obsidian Room City, and there was that booth in the back that like for the whole maybe like first year, was where all the hosts hung out on that floor, you know, and it felt very like we were in there, like feeling fabulous, looking down

on everybody and like would do drugs in there and like whatever. And then there was one night where Erica Jane and we got kicked and we got kicked out

of the booth. And then from then on it was like very clear that that booth was for actual v i p s and not to the people who were worked the part that fucking sucks, and that honestly is a testament to how ugly queer spaces can be when they prioritize people based on class or eliteness and not actually usually people were like coming in, we're coming into like do like a little Safari moment where they're seeing

the sights for the night. That booth at Holy Mountain ended one of my relationships literally, yes, how so so I dated this ballet dancer briefly. He is, unfortunately one of I think six ballet dancers I have dated or hooked up, which is honestly, like that needs to be I'm investigated. I mean, it's just it's just that I like pretty pretty girls. I love bone structure and huge thighs. But anyways, this guy was like he was rich, That's what I'll say. He was rich. He was young, so

he was a brat. But he was hot and a ballet dancer, so I didn't care. And one time I was like, let's go to Holy Mountain UM. But we didn't go together for whatever reason I can't remember. I think he was coming with friends and I wasn't hosting. But I had been invited to like sit a mandelaport's table in the booth or whatever, the area where you like look down on the rest of the venue, and so when this guy came, I was already in the booth and looking down to people, and I texted him.

I was like, come up to the booth, come up to the booth, like let's hang, let's let's drink, and blah blah blah. And I was very in my jug and he never ever came up at any point like I would have been able to let him in. And I was like, wait, what's going on? And I was like should I go down and find him? Like I don't really, he wasn't really texting me back, and like when I finally like met up with him, I think he was like I'm leaving and I was like what.

And so we went outside and proceeded to have like a cigarette infused argument about yes, there out outside the barber girl. We were both tourists, which is like a key component of like why this didn't work out, And he was like you were up there in the booth like fully just like in your and like you just think you're better than everyone else. And it was such a power play and like I felt it like blah blah, And I was like a power play, mama, Like how

insecure are you? That also mean it kind of was. It's not power play to say come join me, but they do. But I'm sure there was part of it that was if you got him to see you in that context of like but being being a special person in this space. But of course I do like why, like what I need to feel bad at? I totally

get that there was there was. There was nothing more exhilarating to me than arriving at a party, walking past the line, waiting to get inside, going up to the door person and saying Hi, I'm on the list, or like hi, I'm hosting tonight, or like working. It's the

best feeling ever. I mean, the worst feeling ever is when you do that and your name isn't on the list, oh my, and you have to either like stand there and wait while they like confirm with someone or get turned away, which I mean I would never has not has not happened to me. I would never take no for an answer. I would just argue until their resistance was weekend like I although that did happen to me

one time, but it was in Berlin. There was this this party that I was going to with a bunch of locals, and they all got in because they were friends with the door girl and I because I was like the tourist I did, I like didn't know them well. I like I had met them through friends of friends. And Berlin is very like not that kind of city, Like they make people wait and so they all got in and I had to wait in line, and like I eventually got to cut the line, but I did

wait for like two hours. I mean everyone else waited for like five hours. But it was humiliated. I it reminds me, honestly of the Madonna party at the Boom Moon Room that kicked off Pride last summer, which is too long of a story for me to tell now, but maybe I'll tell it for a future for a future key, because I do actually have to tell you about what I did last night and why I am severely hungover right now. Okay, wait, I do want it.

One thing though, is when you are working the door, which I have done a couple of time's never done that before. I used to fill in for um for Amy at the door Westgate occasionally, and the one night I did was the night that is Zalia Banks performed

at Westgate. So the worst people on the planet are kind, but but a girl That night was the night I was taking bribes to get in and I made on top of what I was getting paid to work the door, I made like four hundred dollars that in bribes the people who just wanted to get in and cut the line. That's iconic. That's and then I and then I got to like go upstairs to the booth and watch Zonias. What's a good bribe? Like twenty bucks? Fifty bucks? Um?

Fifty was like the baseline. That's what I was gonna say. I feel like it would have to be fifty um. Okay, um, that is iconic. Azially Banks does draw some really some really um terrifying crowds. As someone who's been in multiple Assally Banks crowds before. Um, but I have to tell you, Okay, so last night I went to this coach party which was at the Monster. Do you remember the Monster? Yes, I haven't really have spent a few quite a few

um nights that I would I would rather forget. It's a it's a really I really love it, but it is kind of a lost dingy gay bar. In the last time I was like the Monster was when I performed the Cell Blocked Tango from Chicago with Charlene Slater, g S. Dring and um Amber Alert and a couple other girls. That sounds we had like we had done it one night at Straight Acting, I think, and then like kind of toward it around a few different parties. We did it at the Monster. We did it at

the party that Frankie Sharp used to throw at the Jane. Yeah, anyway, that's so wait, wait, that's so funny. I um, I wait, I have to know that, I think video if I still have it on my phone, I will send it. Okay, I'm dying to see. I have to know where you pop? Were you cioa, where you lipshits? I don't actually remember, Rose, how can you not remember? I don't know, but I will I will. I will find it and send it to you. And then he ran into my knife. That

would be you, that's my guess. No, I don't think that was me. I think I was. I was. I was not Velma because that was shar obviously. M Well, we'll figure it out, we'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. Um okay, like so yeah, coach had it. It was like in collaboration with the Monster, which I

think is cool. It's like a historic queer bar. And Daniel Rasmussen, who did the pr for this, like pulled the most amazing crowd for this coach party, and like I, I, you know, I'm not a I'm not a fashion girl, so I kind of had low expectations for it. I was like, oh, you know, if I'm invited, like then I don't know who's going to be there. It was like everyone. It was like everyone who organized Brook Liberation

with me. It was the cast of Fire Island. It Rajah was there and when I walked in, I immediately saw Mark Jacobs, like it was just like the who's who of like New York queer scenes and like Um Aquaria djade Um as well as oscar Enia from Poppy Juice. And there was some performance by Saucy Santana which was so good. But Rose I got blitzed and I don't know why, but I was like, I'm gonna drink champagne tonight because like champagne is on the open bar and

I'm guzzling champagne. At some point someone hands me extra glasses of champagne. I walked away from the bar with two glasses every time because it was so difficult to get to the bar, and I got so so smashed. At a certain point of the night, a neon sign caught on fire because of some of the tinsel that was behind it, and Willie Norris, Willie Norris takes everyone's like throwing water on it. We're all faggots, so we don't know what to do. We're like, how do we

fix this fire? The things on fire? Oh my god? And Willie Norris comes out of nowhere with an extinguisher, like full glam, like putting this fucking fire out. I'm still looking for footage of it, if and if anybody can find footage and send it to me. Um, but like, my god, like this party was crazy, and unfortunately Matt fucking Rogers was like, let's do shots. Rose. Why did I do shots? Matt Rogers? Why did you make us

do shots? I'm very angry about this because putting a shot on top of a belly of champagne is basically does me. And I'm out for the night. My stomach just turned. I do not remember the rest of the night, but I remember having a ton of fun. But unfortunately I did have sex planned after this party, um with someone with like an ex who I have like a really wonderful relationship with now and um, I basically like

I I like called them a voice momitor. I don't even remember, but I was just like just a very warning. I'm blitzed, like I'm so sorry. I did not plan to be this drunk and I was so drunk that we couldn't have sex. I literally was incapable, and it was I mean, we know each other well enough that it was fine, but I was still embarrassed and I

was like, God, like this this sucks. And also while I was blitzed, I don't know why they did this, but like while I was like ship faced on my bed and we're like talking and like laughing about like how drunk I am and how we can't even hook up, they decided to take that moment to be like, hey, you sub tweeted me the other day and it really bothered me and here's why I hurt my feelings. And I was like no, like because I was like it

was something that I shouldn't have done. It was it was, it was not it was not a nice thing to tweet um, but but they brought it up in that moment. It and also they don't have Twitter, so I didn't think they were ever going to see but someone sent it to them, which is like, don't be a fucking cops. Sorry, um, but they literally were like, um, hurt my feelings. And I was like, I, you know, I want to do right by you and I want to be accountable for my behavior, but not in this state of mind I

am in right now. I mean, that's what happens when you're that sucked up, as you go from sucking to processing, like immediately. Well, I think since we've been you know, catching up and being a little more personal, a little more vulnerable, why don't we like try telling each other a secret? A secret? Oh? Yes, I think we should try and do a little game of truth or truth

when we do these little keys. Yes, and if I'm telling the truth, these secrets were actually prepared by producer Phoebe as we've been, who wrote some really juicy question yeah, some of which we absolutely will not be answering when there's a microphone recording our responses, and some of which are a drag like many of them are a read in and of themselves. Yes, I do feel like we are being live sub treated by Phoebe um, as we

often are while we record as it should be. Yeah, so so yeah for in which of these questions do you want to answer? Well, one of them is, uh, as people with public personalities, what is your favorite thing you lie about to your fallowers? Which is like now

they're gonna know. But the thing about podcasting is like this stuff never like you know, catch us fire like gets transcribed, and so we can say anything we want and honestly, no one will ever know about it except for the you know, small select people, a group of people that listen to this pod. Okay, I'm going to have kind of, um a boring answer because it's not

a lie. I feel like I'm actually pretty honest with the way I present myself online except meybe like the law I have like face tune, which I don't use anymore.

But I think I try to engage with social media in a way that feels very like I don't care about any of this, like I could take this or leave this, I could delete my Twitter tomorrow, um, when in fact, like I actually receive a lot of validation from the attention I get on social media, and so like the casual nous of it is the lie can we talk about this for a second, because when we spent a few New Years ago together, you know, before we went to this like random party, we were laying

in bed and you showed me like at the time, how you like photoshopped your photos, and my jaw dropped. I was like, what have I been missing out on this whole time? Because I, you know, used to photoshop my photos a lot too, and now I don't. But I had never used face tune before or whatever app that was. It was like, really like it was face It was a lot. I know, I was a really heavy handed face tune user, and like nothing nod it

looked unnatural. It no, it was it was really like I wanted to look the way that I looked if I took like the perfect photo of myself or you know, just like twisting the things that I don't like about my face or like whatever. And it was also at a time when I was just like posting a lot more, was like much more visible on social mediaw you're back to being visible. So maybe it's uh, but your but your thirst traps are one up to now you don't have to use the face tune. I don't post like

that anymore. So I don't find myself needing to use face tune. But then again, like that is the lie. Like I do want the validation that comes from posting a lot, but I am like so cognizant of wanting to do this performance of not caring about social media. But like to be fair, we both have very low

self esteem, like we were very insecure. I'll speak for myself at least, like I'm very insecure, and like I you know, a lot of this is reparative work, Okay, I'm trying to grab the compliments that, like, you know, to make up for lost time of like telling myself that I was ugly for like you know, twenty years or whatever, thirty years. And I feel like, um, I mean, I luckily don't photoshop anymore either, but I used to like make my ass bigger, which is so embarrassing. So

but obviously, I mean, James Charles doesn't need photoshop. But you know, she she's she's got the real deal, I mean real in air quotes. Um. But like I I mean, now my are obsessed with James Charles. I am, I am, I won't stop talking about her. Um, but like I literally yeah him say his name. Yeah, So what's what's your lie? Your followers? I mean, honestly, I this is

like a white lie, and I think it's relatable. I think a lot of people do this, but like I always say, like, I'm from Chicago, but the realty is I was born on the South Side of Chicago, which is Chicago, Chicago. But then like when I was five or six, my parents moved into a suburb and so worried. It's so barring. Can we can we can we each tell each other what we think the answer should be. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, okay.

So the lie that I think is that you are not as nice as you present on that and I mean that as a compliment. Is a compliment, But you are. You are fucking queer mother Teresa on social media. You are hey babies, I love you so much. You are holding space for everyone, and you are not that nice, not straight. You are my sister, but you you are much you are And this is again I mean this as a compliment. You are much meaner I r L

than you than you present online. I take that as a compliment and I will own it because with my friends, I'm a very tough lover I'm very direct. I don't spend a lot of time coddling. I just tell you how it is. If you are coming to me to vent, I'm usually not the right person to do it. I'm like, let's problem solve, you know what I mean? Um, but if I don't know you, God help you. Like, I don't have a poker face, so I immediately turn off if I'm not interested in conversation with you, And it's

very apparent that, like I don't care about this conversation. Um. And I also just like if someone crosses me, like, I have no problem being like, um, excuse me, I'm worth more, you know. Um? But yeah, as I should. But yes, what do you think? What do you think? My lie? Is? I think you're a lie? I think you're a lie? Is that all your tweets are sublime moments of genius that happened on the spot, when in reality you test drive them on me first. I definitely

do test drive them a lot. A lot of things I tweet are things that I say in real life, and then if someone laughs at them, I'm like I should tweet that, yes, yeah, and I experienced that a lot, like I'll be you know, I'll do my kind of my semi regular like checking on your Twitter, and I'll be scrolling and I'll be like, oh, yeah, Rose said that to me the other day, So I guess it

makes sense. But you know, like it's it works out for me because, as you know, I forget absolutely everything I say to you as soon as I say it. So to me. When I'm tweeting these things, they're brand new.

It's really just a journal, a diarrhe of sorts. Yeah, just making sure you don't think I don't think I'm lying by tweeting things like, it's not like I'm saying, oh I just had It's not like every tweet to have I I preface it by saying, oh, I just had this amazing thought for the first time, and I can't wait to share it with all forty four thousand of you who follow me. Yeah exactly, Oh my god. Wow. Well, now that we've exposed each other, I feel like this

has yeah, rosen Frand exposed. So we just asked each other this, you know, like extremely personal question. Just tried to expose each other. Ask a secret um for the next the next couple of weeks. As we're doing these you know, Girls are Girling episodes. If you have a question that you want to ask us, want us to ask each other something very vulnerable, personal, vulnerable on Maine. UM, slide into our d M s at like a virgin for UM, and you know, pitch some questions and we

will answer them on air. And as always, please you know, follow our finsta, UM, follow us UM at roads damn you and you can follow me at Franz Squish Co anywhere you want. Much thanks to our producer Phoebe who really took in stride that we decided, Hey, let's do four extra episodes this month, UM and create more work for you and of course UM, thank you everyone at i Heeart. This is an i Heeart Media production. Happy Pride, Thank you corporation. Bye gay