Gaslight, Gucci, Girlboss (feat. Hunter Harris)

Driver in the snow. In the snow, we have been waiting to talk about father son House of Gucci, and today we are doing that with the perfect person to talk about, truly perfect a a a Gaga scholar, a movie critic, if you will, of which we are not. Yes, Hunter Harris is here to talk about House of Gucci with us. Also, I will say that, yes, I know, this podcast is about us looking at yesterday's pop culture

and giving it today's takes. But this podcast is also about popping your cherry about parts of pop culture that you have an experience yet, and none of the three of us, Fran Hunter I have seen House of Gucci, so we are experiencing it for the first time along with all of you. So today we are losing our virginity with Lady Gaga in her sex scene with Adam Driver. Yeah, just about the sex scene just forty five minutes. We're

going to talk about that sex scene. Rose, But before we get to that, we're going to you know, do some for play with the news of the week to talk about what's going on in pop culture. So, as I said, this is like a virgin I'm Rose, damn you, and I'm fran Toronto. Let's get into it. The big thing that I've been dealing with for for the past week is just a lot of online shopping. It's like become very toxic at this point. I honestly, I I thought I was so alone in what is a morbid,

if not disgusting addiction to shopping. Um from myself. We are together, well, when we started to become friends years ago, it really it became quite clear very quickly that you are just as sick in the head as I am. Well, you know, I'm a tourist rising and I do like to fill like the black pit of emptiness inside me

with things. I will also say, I mean not to blow up our spot, but like, we worked in queer media for a very long time, which is to say, we were extremely underpaid for our jobs for an extremely long time and have only ever operated under scarcity mentality. So when you and I, for the first time in our lives, have just a little bit of expendable income, all of a sudden, any Instagram, I become the target

demographic for literally any product. Oh my god, I'm so susceptible and like and like sometimes when I like send people things that I want to buy, what I want is for them to talk me out of it. Yeah, you can't get wrong the wrong girl, because all you're gonna do is say, oh, yeah, that's cute, Like why don't you get this too? Why didn't you get this more expensive version of I do? I do sometimes say like, no, that's ugly. No, it's the wrong color, the wrong patterns

something I am ethical but fair. Um, But I do feel for the most part, if you text me some shopping link, I'm going to tell you to buy it. Yeah, I mean. And Black Friday was like very dark this year because Black Friday was the day that Stephen Sondheim died and I was actually at the Mall in in Florida when I found out, like walking through Nordstrom looked down and gasped when I saw that Stephen Sondheim had

passed away. I think it's important text for the virgins as well, that like, obviously we're always sad when like cultural beham moths like pass away. But Sondheim is specifically so one of your people. Oh, like so important to me as a like theater kid who grew up loving musical theater. Um, you know some of my favorite musicals

are Stephen Sondheim musicals. Um, I guess, like as sad as I've been, it also has been very comforting just to see someone pass away, but to know like that they lived such a full life at the way that Stephen Sonheim did, in the way that he contributed to culture. I mean, he is, I do think, without hyperbole, the greatest, most prolific queer artist of our lifetime, like we we don't.

The other thing is like his style of like how he created his own work has influenced like an entire genre of musical theater, like an entire yeah, and an entire general like multiple generations of creators. He fundamentally changed the landscape of American musical theater. And you know, when we had the hot topic conversation and I couldn't think of my favorite Tim Burton movie, it actually really was Sweeney Todd and that was obviously in no small part too,

like how gorgeous the music is. Yeah, I mean, honestly, Sweeney Todd is. I don't think it's a great movie, but I haven't rewatched so, but it's an incredible musical, incredible musical. I think I snuck actually took a bunch of my cousins and we snuck into the theater to go see that. And I think I told my parents we were seeing like National Treasure too or something like that. Um, I love Stephen Sondheim and I am sad that now.

My my friend Ryan said like that he was sad that we'll never get to go to Steven Sonheim's Sex Dungeon, which was like rumored to be a thing. Really. Yeah, there's been so much TV coming out recently, and I was very excited that Gossip Girl came out. It is tis the damn season for gossip Girl. Like it was just Thanksgiving and one of the only things that I have to watch every year on Thanksgiving is the gossip Girl Thanksgiving episode Blair Waldorf must Pie and I have

never actually seen the o G Gossip Girl. I think I watched the first episode. Um, we obviously will be doing an episode of the podcast on the o G Gossip Girl. Well, my former roommate was in this batch of episodes. Yeah, my my old roommate and friend, Cole doman Um was in the third of the recent drop of episodes. He plays the like demon twink that um Aki goes on a date with my God, and he

was perfect. This reboot specifically really does champion, if not encourage demon twink behavior, and that I think is maybe one of like the things that is like most disturbing to me about this rebote, even though I can't take my eyes off of it. What do you love about you know? It's it's gossip Girl, it's the drama, it's new the new Oh, the soundtrack and this this current crop of episodes definitely have some good needle drops. There was a tailor song writer, Bunny as a writer. There's

an Olivia Roderick. You're your favorite Trader love Trader Um. I do kind of need at some point for the minion of Julian of the Zion and Zion I need her to have like her own identity and storyline. These characters need once and needs, they need desire. They they only exist in proximity to the other characters, and like when one of them is a black girl and the other is trand and like to have them have like no identity, like we don't nothing about them. I totally agree.

It's very like Flatsam and Jetsam, pain and panic in hercules, like the two Crowns, just like the Lackeys, which is like which is part of the Gossip Girl legacy. Like you know, Blair in the original had minions who I think she literally called minions, and they did not really have identities and like only existed to serve her. But I would hope that in Gossip Girl two point oh, like flash off those characters a little. I want to

know more about their interior lives. I will say that in the trailer for the next batch of episodes, Zion like was kissing someone, so maybe we'll see character okay. Um. I also have to say something that I very much so appreciated about this latest drop of episodes was a very necessary um cultural critique on uh Santa Con, which is the worst thing that New York City does in like the history of New York. It is a stain

on the legacy of New York. I did appreciate that because I don't think there's another like TV show that has has dealt with Santa Con like that, and how horrible it is. Should we describe for people that don't know what Santa Con is, like what, like what is it? Santa don't we can actually know what it is. Santa Con is when the inhabitants of murray Hill and Williamsburg dress up in Santa Yeah, dress up in Santa alfits and do a bar crawl around New York City. If

they're not in murray Hill, they're fight eye guys. It's like very fight eye BROWI It's like cis culture, It's heterosexual culture. It's an excuse today drink outside wearing Santa costumes. And I have seen with my own eyes Santa's stripping on the streets. I've seen many Santa I've seen at least to Santa's bar like on the street in like Lower Manhattan. I have seen some Santa's do disgusting things, and I cannot believe that it still exists as a

cultural object. I definitely have before, like been on grinder ring Santa Con and had someone hit me up and it's like, say they were at Santa Con, And I've had to have that moment of checking in with myself saying, am I about to invite someone in a Santa costume over to my apartment and possibly engage in some kind of Santa role play? And I never have, And honestly, I'm kind of sad that that's an experience I've missed. I absolutely would have. I absolutely would have, but I

would have been it. Maybe one day I will. Yeah, who who you know? One day? Who knows? What else have you been watching? Recently? I watched UM the Janet doc. The so the New York Times did the Brittany doc that everyone was talking about this year that you know whatever. Very I thought it was like an okay documentary, but maybe they were like the first to really consolidate all of these things that had happened to Brittany and in

a place where everyone was going to watch it. Um, but they did a new one with basically the same conceit for Janet Jackson and what happened to her at the a Bowl and when Justine Chamberlake exposed her sexually assaulted her on stage basically, and then she was like beyond the height of her career, a legend, a like completely a complete mononym as a pop star, and then all of a sudden her career came to a screeching

halt because of that moment. And you know, I thought I was going to go into it being like, oh, this is just gonna make me mad all over again, but I actually felt it was pretty well reported and I really appreciate it. And Jenna Weretham, who does still processing. It's like a friend of mine and she was in

the documentary and she everything she said was so amazing. Um. And I also loved that they included women and their opinions in this documentary because the Brittany Dock like all they had was that evil lawyer and then those like two bloggers that were kind of like, I guess, the comedic relief of the documentary, and so with this one, I felt like they may be honestly solved for that,

and like the sources were overwhelmingly women, which I appreciated. However, I really wish that they had angled the story a little more on Janet, Like the way that the sources were arct was really more about the build up leading up to the Super Bowl and how it was already an extremely high stakes environment involving the culture wars of that era and like religious fanatics basically really really trying

to crack down on what is on broadcast television. And and then you have Janet who is a woman who is sexually liberated, and like society doesn't know what to do with that, and so obviously there was it was an explosive moment, but all in all, I felt like satiated that it is a conversation we should continue to have about Janet and who she was and like what

she still can contribute to what we're doing culturally. And I really hope that the gays listening to this are going to rally around Janet the way we're raillying around Brittany. Obviously not to conflate the two obviously completely different situations, but I would just hope that culturally we understand like what Janet has done and continues to do. UM, were you a virgin? A Janet stand? I I do like Janet.

I really like UM. When I was in college, was right when Discipline came out that which has feedback on it amazing song. Um, did you see that Grimes has made her return to social media. Yeah, it's it's it's you know, on on the day that we're recording this podcast really only in its seminole uh kind of phase, but I feel like this is going to be a beat. We will continue to reports watch. Yeah, So what did

she say? Actually didn't Actually she came she came back to TikTok and was like talking about how she's traumatized from being so in the public spotlight and how she now wants to start using her platform to have like radically transparent conversations about like wealth distribution. Um, it's such a hard and fast turn. Yeah, you know she used the word traumatized. Yeah, she did. That sucks and like

I mean I'm sure it was traumatizing. Yeah. Yeah, you know, like we will truly never understand what it's like to be famous on that scale of Um. At the same time, you know, as like many people in the comments were saying, it's just very hard to have sympathy for her. So you know, like we'll see if if she does anything more than like stage photos of her reading the Communist Manifesto. But I I you know, I remain a Grimes fan.

I do love her music, and I mean ultimately, like this is all promo because she did announce that she has a new song coming out. You are kidding, No, you're kidding me. Fuck, that's so hard. Well, I think now the biggest thing on my mind is now that we're past Thanksgiving, it is Christmas. I mean well, I mean technically we're in the middle of Hanagah right now. Hogsa maya to all my my Jewish girls out there. But we are fully in Christmas mode. I told you

about this. Yesterday. I was listening to a Christmas pop playlist and the most curse Christmas song I've ever heard came on. It's called Stretchy Pants by Carrie Underwood, and it's about wanting to wear your stretchy pants during the holidays so that you can eat as much as possible. And she does say in the song that she doesn't want to wear those other bridges a queen of rhymes, What does she rhyme bridges with? I don't remember. I hope it's bitches or witches. It's not bitches. It's like

you like expect the word to be bitches. And she says, Bridges, you sent me this song, and I think that Megan Trainer should send a cease and desist because it is a Megan Trainer or you a trainer. They're not called according to me, they aren't. So it was just Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving famously all about family, and I spent my Thanksgiving with my family, by which I mean with Lady Gaga, because Lady Gaga is my mother, sister, grandmother, wife, daughter, father, father, son.

House of Gucci. Um. That is the voice of Hunter Harris, who we have in the studio today. Writer Um, creator of amazing newsletter Hung Up that I read obsessively, honestly several times. Letter that's like worth the subscription, honestly, Like newsletters are like hard to you know, everyone has a newsletter. Newly minted writer on Gossip Girl, Yes, and her historian of Gaga's acting career. I mean, you've been on it

on the beach. I'm happy to have gotten on the ground level with the star was born and now listen, I can watch a budding actor really take her thrown. Have you seen the film like multiple times at this point or have you only seen it once. I've only seen how a Gucci once and that is because it's very long and it just came out like four days ago. Did you see it in theaters or did you get a screener? What was the situation? No, no no, no, I

saw it in theaters. I saw it like I escaped my family on Thanksgiving Day and said, I am leaving for an appointment, and I just went to see it by myself. I had an appointment with the Lord, and so it was me by myself at the Cinemark Tulsa. And I, okay, I'm actually so glad you asked, because it was pretty incredible. Um so, Like I was the first one in the theater, but just embarrassing, sitting in the very back row on like the far right corner.

And um, I like saw people like filing in. It was like a bunch of like like couples, like adults, um, and every husband was like talking to each other about like the football game that was I guess on at the same time, and well, listen, they have their religion and I have mine. Um, And like these two husbands were like, man, I wish I was watching the game as their guys, Like yeah, me too. And their wines are like like shushing them. Um and it's it's actually

a cinema theater, not like like not an AMC. So I did not get to see the Nicole Kidman like heartbreak feels good in a place like this? Is that what it is? Some of her best work? I listen. I don't believe she. I think that Nicole Kidman wrote, directed, um Ran produced that entire like Cinna Mark or AMC doesn't know that that exists. What's your jet? It's her like ideal setup. Do you like have snacks? Do you like have a do you need to have something that you need when you go to the like to see

a movie? Um, it depends. My favorite movie theater in New York is the Battery Park Regal because it's in between listen, it's in between a shake shack and a bagel place, and I would love to take my little snacks and they wouldn't ever care if I smuggle at something in I loved the Battery Park Theater that was

like I mean, it was always empty. There was kind of a Whole Foods nearby, so I could grab a sandwich and like walking and they never cared and never cared r I P because I guess it's doesn't exist anymore. Question mark. I'll say Father's Son House of Gucci to our fallen soldier. So is that our new punctuation for everything? Father's Son has a Gucci? Like? Does it apply to every situation? I say it out of context all the time, all the time. I went to Catholic school. It just

like rolls off the tongue. O. Really, So were you having some throwbacks from There's not really a ton of Catholicism, I guess in the movie, but there's like a it's implied, it's I mined because it's Italian Italian and they are you are in a church at some point? Yeah, oh yeah, for the wedding scene, yes, yes, And it doesn't that fight outside of the church, Yes, it doesn't. Doesn't Mauricio say that he wants Gucci to be like a church of fashion. Oh yes, the Vatican of fashion. Right, that's

the moment, which, honestly I loved that line. That was

on my favorite lines in the movie especially. I think it contectualises really well, like how Gucci had entered her flop era, Like generally, Yeah, it was like an interesting point for like the film in general to come in and like I'd be curious to know just like on a first impression or even we can start from the beginning of the movie, because I feel like I thoroughly enjoyed the first thirty minutes of the movie and like them falling in love and like all that stuff, and

then felt a different way. But like, what were you feeling about it? It was just like there's so much happening in Like Lady Gaga is so perfect at like being this like flour being like in love. That's iff I thought I found very compelling and it's like so funny. Like to contrast her against Adam Driver, who as an

actor bass was a character. It was like so much more straight lay, so much more serious, and he did not seem as playful even their meat cute at that party, She's like at home like this disco scene, and he's like behind the bar for no reason, question mark. I mean, I don't know, but he was wearing that bad wig badly. Um your thoughts on the wig, Okay, I think that the wig budget on House of Gucci was lower than the last tool because the last tool had better whigs.

I guess probably fewer of them too, but like Adam Driver's wigs were not very good in House with Gucci, and I was kind of disappointed Gaga's wigs. I mean, they were gotgags. You know, whoever is doing the film is not doing Gogga's wigs. House of Gaga is doing makeup, wigs, everything, which I think really speaks to Patriots yet in this world right that she's like sort of um an interloper, a new person, like fish out of water, like she

should feel sort of out of top. And it was funny to like kepting like a visual gag for the whole movie, that she's just more more dressed than everyone, Like other people like just wearing clothes, but Gaga is like wearing fashion and every single scene, and I that was like sort of one of my favorite parts about her performance in this What did you think, I mean, what were you prepared for it? Going into House of Gucci? I heard, I was okay. I don't think I heard

anything like super Pro or super Con. I honestly I would like it more, but I did feel like it, like the plotting of the movie, like the script itself, felt kind of bloated in a way that I thought really like undercut its momentum, so a lot of times I was like, okay, here I go, like sitting through like ten boardroom scenes like I really don't care about, like I just want to see I just want to see more of like Gaga and Salamahai talking about like

no more spells like we need like Mamahias showed up. I cackled very it was amazing. I agree, Like I think the first like weirdly very much like A Star is Born, which I think is a great movie up through shallow and then kind of falls apart. Um. I think House of Gucci is really great up until kind of like the sex scene, the wedding to exqueeze me. Oh, the sex scene incredible. That was the moment where I was like, this is going to be the best movie ever. And then it But but it had been talked up

so much, like what was it? Um, they were on some talk show and someone was saying, this is the best sex scene that's been in a film in years, and it was that. It was really just like like I hadn't seen that much about the sex scene. I just like saw people talking about it, and I was like, it's going to be like wild and not that's gonna be good, It's gonna be crazy. And I could not, in my wildest dreams have imagined that it was going to be just like this, like so much grunting. I

was like, gotta what with very girls. I will say it was the most sex scene that I've ever witnessed, and well yeah, well everyone, it was the most of many things. It was the most sex scene. It was the most looks, it was the most acting. There was

so much acting happened to varying degrees of success. Yes, My like, my biggest takeaway from the entire movie, which I think you can see very clearly in that sex scene too, is that it's like Adam Driver's in one movie and Gaga was like just simply in three other different movies and different. Jared Leto isn't Jared Letto is on in a movie. He's like in a sketch room.

I think you should leave. That was like I was actually surprised that I didn't really mind like the prosthetics so much with him, but he just was so like cartoonish and I was like, wait, nothing, this person is saying can I take seriously or even feels like important to any other story and all of his punch lines were like it was like, it was very like it was very totally off from what everything else that was happening.

I honestly felt like they could have fully cut Jared leto and it would have been a tighter, better movie, right because nothing, nothing like regarding him actually held any weight. Like all of the al Pacino stuff could have existed without that character intact, and it would have been just like as compelling of a of an arc there and al Pacino was great, incredible listen father's son al Pacino, Um,

I will always read for my man. To me, like there was this very fast transition between what was demure, I'm just an accountant, Gaga, I'm just like an innocent girl who's kind of weirdly obsessed with this guy, maybe for a money reason, to like, I have a mullet now and I'm worrying, I have added shoulders and I have a bullet, and I care a lot about these counterfeit bags. And to me, it was like, I mean, I don't say this as a critic, I say this as as a faggot. This movie would have done really

well with a makeover montage. You know what I mean, or something that like showed Gaga's kind of like come up in or her just like her moral center kind of shifting. I think she could have used orange hair. She has to be a brunette when she has the accent. I mean she said that herself in the contract. It did. It did make me think of how there was like a story circulating after a Star is Born where she was talking about how when the movie ended she had to shake off Ali and so then the night that

she wrapped, she bleached her hair blond again. And I was a girl, it's going to fall out to chill, you know. But the thing is, like a Gaga, It's in her contract. She has to be Burnett. She has to have a gay best friend in every movie. She had a gay best friend in this movie for half a scene. Did you notice that, Oh, the guy that she went to the park just go with ye yeah yeah like um. And she also has to, I would wager always have a scene with a bathtub, and she

had to in this movie. Her bathtubs three she had three, right, We're right, the one at the very end, yes, resonant bathtub scene. I will say this. I was so like, oh my gosh, I don't ever going to catch on fire, Like there were so many candles around. I was like, this is like maybe too many, and then I was like no that definitely they were added in posts like no candles like choked that well on camera. Um, it does seem like the kind of movie though, where if

he had accidentally caught on fire, they would have kept it. Oh, for sure there was something. Yeah, you feel like there were some moments where that they kept, like when Gaga's hat fell off, for like, there were other little moment there were a lot of improvisation. Father son House of Gucci famously improvised. I guess you know she did go to the Bradley Cooper school of acting, where things aren't written,

they are felt in the moment. I will say, speaking of m Bradley Cooper, I kept imagining him watching this movie a little makeup wipe in his pocket, just like just just go to the screen and just like wipe off the makeup. It sounds like like the lipstick. I was like, he's having a fit right now watching he was. He was watching it thinking, you're so fucking also improvised that famously. Yeah, that movie A Star was Born had no script. It had it had like vibes and grunts

and like tequila. Didn't they do that for Yes? Yes? And Bronzer. Wasn't that what they did for um Blue Valentine sorry to invoke her name. Remember that Ryan Gossling Michelle Williams movie. Remember that was almost rated NC seventeen because of the sex scene. Yes, I remember it. I

almost get kicked out of that movie. That was like the word because I was seeing it and I think it was like umift and so I had like, you know, it's like whatever, I take it fort her movie and then like running that one, and I think that like the theater had like known that, like teens were sneaking in this is like you know, also peak rng Gossling. That was like such a formative movie for me being

on Tumblr. Don't think method act in that that didn't the director be like Okay, go into this room and have a fight or something like that, or yeah, I think so, But I don't know the thing about the

House of Gucci. It's like the improv in this movie is just like at a different like vibration than because it's just like Gaga as an actress, as Patrizia as someone who like has his hair like it was just because she is, she is the final word on who this woman is, even though this woman is a real person. When she said no one was going to tell me who patreats Gucci is not even Gucci, I said amen, and I said and I said, didn't thank you? And

I said, thank you. It's just like it's so it's actually funny because before I came here, I was like, you know, prepping, and I was rereading, um all of the stuff that actual Gucci family had said when they were shooting it, and like you know, there was like paparazzi photos of like how everyone looked and the fact that the Guccies, who own none of the company, we're going so hard, Like Alpaccino is ugly in this movie, and my great great uncle was not ugly. He wasn't

a handsome Italian man. I was like, first of all, how dare you? And second of all, what bullying? Cyber bullying Alpacrino. It's like, oh my gosh. And there's like they're saying that like Jared Leto, I mean, I don't like to acknowledge Jared Little's presence in this movie, but that he looked so ugly and that it was like an embarrassment to their family. I was like, okay, kind of go in. Also, I'm sorry your family is embarrassing,

like objectively like girl, like this is all embarrassing. That's they made a movie about it. Someone who works with Gucci told me that Patricia actually never wore Gucci. She was always in St. Laurent. So the Gucci family I'm sure took a fue with that too. There were a lot of choices they had made in this film, but I wish that they had made more choices about focusing on what Gaga was doing, because she was the best part.

She was like the shining star of the movie. I know she should have been lit actually in every shot, and like my favorite part of it were her reactions. There's one scene that's really stuck with me, and it's when she's leaving their ski chalet and he's looking at the window and she's getting in the car and I'm going to turn. She looks back up in the window and it's just the camera on her face looking at

him for like too long. Mascara stayed in her ches truly, like does like Gaga's faces and this are so funny because she she had like the big expressive eyes and there was like looking at you the eyes truly It's like if looks could kill, I remember would have been dead at like truly twenty minutes and like that was, um, you know, she is like very she does have a very expressive face. Like I think the movie made good use of that. In terms of like Gaga performances and

scenes that stuck out to me. The first one that I think of is, um, well, okay, important contexts actually to talk about our movie viewing experiences. Um, I saw this. There was like an early release on Tuesday before Thanksgiving in West Hollywood, and so I went basically, what is opening night in West Hollywood? And sigh, but I did, And of course I go into this movie and it's like just all like just it packed with like the kind of whitest like gayest men you've ever seen in

your life. And so when Nicole Kidman like sat down like to do like her thing in my AMC stuff rewards like the theater whatever she goes in and one of one of the girls is like yes, Nicole, like like fully, heckly, what's happened? So this was like the ambiance that I'm in, we were people wearing Gucci. That's an important question. I didn't see any Gucci. The look in Hollywood is like I just left the gym, like I'm in Lulu Lemon, Like I that disrespectful. It is disrespectful.

Are you wearing Gucci when Gucci? Girl? No, I was wearing this vintage sweatshirt. I wore Gucci for this record. But it's the but you know, it's just a little not Anyways, there's a scene where Gaga and Adam Rever and her kids are sharing like a Christmas together and their mayor just kind of falling apart, and they're exchanging gifts and the second Gaga opens the package and she pulls out this thing and she says a Bloomingdale gift card. The entire theater just like a chorus of like gay gas.

He might as well have slapped her in the face. In the face, honestly, he should wake up and apologize. It was one of the most emotionally devastating things I had ever seen, And it's because of how God got carried that moment, but also because I was in a crowd of people that felt the exact same thing. I did. I honestly would love a Bloomingdale's gift card as a gift. Is House of Gucci a Christmas movie? Now? Canonically? Absolutely? Are we like putting it in the same category as

the Holiday? And Dr seusays, how the Bridge still Christmas? I will yeah, I'll call it a Christmas movie? Will you be watching it again? Do you have a desire? Yes? Because and this is how I feel about the movie. It's like, for how much of it, I really just kind of like sat through the parts that hit hit so like precisely and pristinely, like the Bloomingdale scene, um, other scenes like the scene um like I mean like

the sex scene, like the bathtub scene. I mean this is like random, but I was obsessed with the Anna Wintour Andre Leon Tally scene. It is it is like actually pure comedy, like like all the tom Ford stuff too, was just so like crazy. I was like, what am I witnessing right now? Other than like actually like an SNL sketch. Um, well that's what the trailer felt like. I for like the whole lead up to this movie, did not think it was a real movie. I thought

it was annel digital short based on the trailer. UM and I can't believe it actually exists. No. Watching it, I was like, I cannot believe it, Like this is the accent that we're really getting for an entire movie, every fire movie, and everyone talks about Gaga's accent, and really it was Adam whose accent was bad, every every accent, everyone, all of us in this room. Could anyone else have played this role? I really don't think so. M M

a canonically Italian woman? What act what canonically Italian actress? Well, I mean this script had gone around for what like ten years or something like a lot of a lot of actress. Yes, a lot of actresses came in and actually should I look it up? So Angelina Jolie and Leonardo DiCaprio were rumored to play Patricia and Maurizio. That's crazy. It was going to be missed for and Mrs Smith as a period in piece. What would that have been

a better movie? I think that movie would have been so much more about like like the actual palace intrigue of like Who's gonna take a ver Gucci? Like much more. This is like not to make this comparison like a succession. He kind of look at like a volley for Power, And I actually liked that, Like the Gaga version of this movie was not so much about the belt about the volley for power that it was more about like, you know, this woman really coming in and shaking up

this family. Um, And I think that like that was I think you kind of saw at least I felt like I saw like like the remnants of like a different kind of movie in this one where it's like, oh my gosh, here we go, like talking about business again, math again. Although I will say that, um, oh my gosh, who's um Jack Huston. I really liked him in this as just um, like the advisor, like the second in command to who eventually became the CEO. Yes, I mean Trader.

He related girl Boss his way. This this movie was guy's like GATECPE girl Boss from different. I didn't think like um for Treaty was like a girl boss ahead of her time, like to as O N Like where did you notice that? Like what what moments are you

clocking the girl bossiness? Well in the first scene when she is like they shouldn't be like selling fakes and then another scene when she s our name um, And there's one other scene when she is like when she's fussing with Adam Driver, like in the Um when he when he tells her like I don't want you involved, like I don't want you giving me advice anymore, Like she is like mine, I'm running the company, You're not like the CEO of this business. And she was like

kind of despondent. I mean that I did feel like she actually want to just be a businesswoman and also just like kick him out specifically because she was so upset. It is like a very like weird cautionary tale about how about like um inspiring a man too much, you know, like me, she did, and she gave him a taste of power and then he realized he he liked it after refuting it for so long and like wrestling with those car mechanics or whatever. Yeah, and I do see

what you mean. Like if the movie had been maybe more focused on Adam on Adam Driver, um, like it would have been maybe a little bit more about that, because you see like the glimmerings of that about how you know, like around the Anna Wintour scene when he's like buying all this ship and you know, really like taking control of Gucci, Like there's kind of a different movie than the one that Gaga's in. Um, And I think like the disconnect is that those two are like

almost two at odds. Yeah, even like the tom Ford stuff where you're seeing like this classic brand be revit like you're seeing Adam Driver's plan for a couch like working.

That's it was interesting, but it kind of did feel get detracted from, just like the drama of like this crazy marriage in which like they are like trying to fight over was ultimately his job, Like I didn't need the stuff with the loafer, you know, the lower with the gold leaf in the toe, and like as as as as as emotional as al Pacino crying was, that

was really good. When he covered his face, I thought immediately also also like trag, when is that going to find its way onto your Twitter or into your news letter? I mean as soon as possible. Honestly, here we go. I buy such a moment. Yeah, it really was. It's very like and you're kind of a Pacino scholar. I listen, he said, I pretend I do not see it, Like whatever is happening in this room, I don't want to

be a part of it. Um, I would be pissed if Adam Driver came in with that wig and was like trying to get me out of my own that we also, like I don't believe. I guess, I mean, this is probably it probably really happened, but it seemed weird to me that at that point when Adam Driver was like buying you know, like Lamborghinis and stuff, why was he riding a bike? Well, I said, because like it wasn't that long of a journey. But I do Italian, I do want to go back to the scene in

the boardroom because that was my favorite scenes. Crazily, even though I did not like all the business stuff. Um, when Adam Driver just like has been in the next room the whole time, like his family is like being ripped apart, like drag within an edge of their life, and he just like pops his head in like Trio the whole time. It was very hey, guys, it's very um Alyssa Edwards behind the two way mirror and drag right all stars to um. I feel like, yeah that

I like cowardice. Cowardice. Yeah, those were the moments where I was like I was like, give me the give me the like the mumble car, give me, like say, give me something from your character as like kind of a I guess a weasel like that was the thing

to me, is like from Adam Driver specifically. I didn't really know how I was supposed to feel about his character at at many different moments, And at the beginning I was like, Oh, this is a like I thought they were trying to do the Gaga is the smart business one and she is an accountant at you know, with her the movie company, and like that's why she's so good at this and all the different stuff, and he like is this privileged kid who has no idea

what he's doing. And then they kind of discarded that immediately. I think, honestly, there were a lot of the things that I didn't like about the movie. I was like, I wondered if it was because they were trying too hard to stick to the true story, which wouldn't make sense because they threw away so much of ther they did not they could more artistically, and they like wedge him in probably because of like his Gucci ambassadorship. I feel like, right, yeah, and he was just in an

entirely different movie than the rest of them. He was in that Marvel movie that he's going to be in where he's the vampire superhero. I know you don't like to technology as presence, but what were the things about like his performance that you did not like? Um, I don't know. I thought it like just so cartoonish and clownish when it's like Gaga and also Adam Driver and also Alpaco and everyone else, like no one was like silly.

Like he was just so silly that I was like, it's actually hard to like square, Like that was like the most totally incoherent part of the movie, but like he injected into his veins, like it was just so like, oh now we have like forty five minutes of like fucking comic relief that no one really needs. Sort of like the actual material itself was like funny and strange

and odd enough. I don't need like these like kind of silly punchlines every like to end every scene to drive home that like this is ultimately all kind of like fashion and silly and funny and all that. It just felt like really like nailing, like banging me over the head with like this intense sort of like not symbolism but just like metaphor. I don't know, I just was onto that that part of it for me was like it when it became a movie that was trying to be a film. And I do think those are

like two very different things. Um, when Jared Letts like character has like basically no function other than comedic relief, I think it's kind of like I love that you said like no one was silly except for him, because I totally agree because Gaga brought camp, sure, but like that doesn't make it silly. She's very intentional, she was very grounded in her in her insanity, and he was just like on a whole other like, I mean, okay, the Anna Wintour was also very silly, yes, but that

was like a flash of just like you know, true comedy. Um, but that's not goofy though, That's like not goofy in the same way. And I found everything and it was I think I'm not been thinking about it more. It's like those that are just hit the same one note of goofy nous in a way that I just was like kind of off put by, if that makes any sense. And it's like he was always like just cartoonishly pagerck that I was like, you know, I've had enough of it.

I've had my fill of this actually, um, and would love to just move on to I like the Ski Shelley stuff. Oh excuse me, moment of silence for Gaga saying, oh, you can escort her out. She kicked that woman, She evicted her, her and her prosthetic nose. She said, cut the camera's dead as was that a prosthetic? Yeah, because that that that actress, that was not that's not what she looks like. Okay, it was a bull choice, yeah, giving giving her the hug and then get her out

of here. I will say like that was a moment of betrayal that I haven't seen since like The Godfather. It was like she kissed her and said get the funk out, not even to her face, which is like, somehow the worst rudest part of it, that you tell someone else to make me leave. Just tell me yourself, like I'm right here, and just say it to me. And she did just kind of accept it. She knew though she knew her time was up. Her entrance into the film. I mean, I'm with a little jarring. Yeah, okay,

thank you. I thought maybe it was a me thing because I'm really bad at retaining crucial information and films. Um, but I when she like skied down and they started talking, I was like, who is who is this supposed to be? I was like, why is she important? Why? Why is so much building up to like Adam Driver and her cheating or what like. I just didn't see that coming,

I guess. And there were moments like that where I was like, why are why is the screenwriter like really just you know, betting that you're gonna know the original story and moments like that, but then over explain like, you know, things like Gaga forging the signature or whatever, right, because that's what I found out, like seeing this movie with my mom and then talking about it at Thanksgiving's, Like, people who were culturally aware during the time that this

happened don't really remember it. I was going to ask both of you how much if you how much you knew going into it and of the murder of the story, like if you had, like I don't know redit primers and you know nothing. The only thing I knew was that Patricia now like walks the streets of Milan with a parrot on her shoulder. That was literally, yeah that's what she does. Yeah, she's she's been released from prison and she lives in Italy and is like known for

walking around with a parrot on her shoulder. There are many photos I'm not Angucci in same around probably that is. Oh yeah, and she gets like a crazy amount of alimony. Oh I did read that just today. Yes, it's like like almost two million dollars I think a year, and also like back paid from whenever she was in prison, right, and she didn't receive those payments. Um, that's a lot of parents. And I will say, we love divorce. Thank God for not airtight prenup um. I also went into

a cold did you watch stuff? Did you? Because also like I really had no idea about this before this movie was announced, and I kind of wanted to go in that way just because you know, whatever Gaga says happened is what I believe happened is rewriting history. She's writing history for the first time. Is yeah. I thought to me, like moments like the bathtube scene or actually,

honestly another reason why Jared Letto was never needed. It's like the natural comedy of like their meat cutes and like that them getting to know each other and like the little I mean they loved like a sharp cut after like a jokey moment, like a lot of that happening in the first three minutes. That to me was like I would have watched that. I would have watched two hours and thirty eight minutes of that, you know what I mean, maybe not as you know, profound, as

like a financial thriller or whatever. And that was the movie. And I also wanted more towards the end of her, like post murder, because it felt very weird that it was like he gets killed, she's in the bath having that like kind of like sorrowful yet almost like orgasmic moment, and then it's like two years later and she's in court, Like I want to see more of that, Like that was the interesting part to me. Um, So it was kind of like upsetting that we didn't get more of it. Yeah,

I in a similar vein. I think I wanted to see more of her dealing with a fallout from him not being married to her anymore. Like I think we only got maybe a couple of beats of her just like being enraged that they weren't longer together because she did.

I think Goda came to this conclusion, and I think you kind of get it from the movie too, that like she did actually love him, like she loved him, but she's also jealous of him, but she also presented him and she also you know, thought that he was like an idiot and like mismanaged the business all these things. But I would have really loved to see a couple more scenes of her, like being a single mom, like

being just pissed about. It escalates so quickly, like all of a sudden, she's leaving him these wild voicemails and casting spells against him, and then the where the stakes, where of those stakes come from? And then she's like getting divorce papers. She's like getting divorce papers at a soccer game, it looks like. And then it's like leaving all these angry voicemails. And I was like, hmm, interesting

heightening there. But I did read just today that Um, in real life, Rittie went off to a business like at a business trip and then just like didn't ever come back. I was like, now that is t actually break up the marriage, but that is how I will end one day, maybe my second marriage. Okay, wait, speaking of divorce, though, what song off of thirty was she listening to? Oh my god, what's her song? Um? If it's not I drink wine, it could have been to

be loved. Maybe maybe it was one of the angrier songs and what do what song do you think it is? I would say, can I get it? Can I get it? She said? Can I get it? A little bit of murder and I get it? Maybe women like me she wired those Oh okay, interesting bull She wired three euros to that hit man and she put drop the needle on. Can I get She brought it in double bag do. That scene was one of the highlights of the movie to me, And like, I think her face in that

scene is like so memorable of her sitting at the table. Yes, that scene could have been its own movie. Actually, like just like the little ways, like the little just like um misunderstandings between these assassins and these two women who were like I'm actually trying to pay you and you're like not letting me and Sma hyak with the like hot topic red hair, oh yes, and she's like, this is not the number that we agreed upon. Actually, you cannot up charge me right now. Selma was incredible, under

underutilized completely. That's why I was like, if we took movies now Colonels and House of Gucci where I wanted more Salma Hunter you disagree, Listen, you put some in a mud bath and that is money well spent. That was incredible. That was so luxurious. That was like finally a little bit of like actually true weirdo luxury in this movie. And they're talking about spells and also like this was like I wanted to see one of the spells though I could have. I could on for a spell.

Maybe that was one of the cut scenes. I could one. But it's also funny that it's like the guc Is are like very Catholic and like they're very Italian, and yet she said, you know toiled toiled boiler. Yeah, I feel like when I feel like, I mean, oh, I forgot to I forgot to say um. After Angelina Jolie didn't work out for Patrizia, they then reached out to Penelope Cruz and then they talked to Margo Robbie. What they are is a version of this movie where Margot

Robbie plays are you a Robbin Easta? I mmmm? Not over Goda, No, no I am. But that would have been such a different movie, Like I think it would have been almost sadder in a way. I mean, at the top of my mind right now is Margot Robbie and Titania, which I find like a very tragic performance. And and I don't know that I really want Patriotia to be like sad in this, Like I kind of like that Gaga leaned so much into the rage of this woman who again grew up as too close to

the sun. Absolutely, because you have to understand why she is led to having him literally murdered, right she said, Actually, it's not enough that you like if you are not with me, you know, with an Nie one, and you can tell that this is a bad romance. You can know that, you know, Gaga did at least google Patrizia, because if you google image searcher, every single photo is like you which eyes filled with rage. She just looks

rageful in every single image. You know. It was another scene that this was like a very jarring moment for me. The scene where they go on the boat and she folds her coat up to put it on the floor. It was like two, I guess, like give him head. It was so weird but beautiful, Okay, I was gonna say it was giving me like so um Bridget Jones Diary.

You know the one scene when like, um, Hugh Grant like tips over in the don't really mind me at that, But then I also kind of feel like at least got has like a stalking fetish, like a little bit of a foot fetish. M vibe. Well, I think I

think it's like fun and funny. Um. There was this one intervieweated with Kyle Buchanan for Vulture like four years ago, I think about All the Money in the World where he says like he instructed Michelle Williams in one scene to like flirt with I guess it was what Mark Wahlberg in that movie to like walk. The line is like, oh, walk across the room and like stocking feet. I thought

that was so funny and like like goofy um. But there's another scene in the Last Duel where like someone like a characters like wearing like like a woman's wearing stockings, and it's like is it flirtesias or is it like kind of like you know whatever. Um, But that scene

was like reminding me of that. It's like such a weird the emphasis like so on her legs, on her lap, on her like pantyhose and I was like, I guess really's got just like really thinks this is like I don't know how women like flirt like with their little bare feet, but like not really, I don't know. I actually liked this scene. But the moment where she drops the tickets to New York in the car gives him road ahead, that was like so like that was that was like I was like, oh my god, what is

going on. I had just watched that episode of Curb like all about this, and I was like cracking up. Um. Speaking of like comparisons, we also know that you are a moonstruck scholar, of which we are also or just a moonstruck fisionado. Yes, I will accept that time. I did see quite a few moonstruck um parallels in this movie, starting with both of them. I mean their first scenes are them at a typewriter being a bookkeeper or whatever, and then also being called by like a construction workers

like a very like that both happened. They both happened in Moonstruck. But like in terms of like these movies as a side by side, like I do feel like Gaga is like in a lineage of people like Share that are doing the pop star to like prestige actress Pipeline. Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah,

I would agree. And I also think that like you know, the thing, I think the thing that's in common between them, like not only that the transition from like like singing to acting, but it is that like Gaga's taste for an actor like pretty eccentric, I feel like like she's not doing the Well's an example of this, Like it's not like she's not playing a version of herself really Like I think the allied character in The Star Is Born is like pretty unlike got Gone a lot of ways,

like as a pop star. I mean, I'm not a little monster, so correct me if I'm wrong, But they don't make the same type of music. Um, And I think in this it is like a role that doesn't like doesn't rest in her like actual like singing, Like she doesn't sing in this movie. It's not like it's something she's like not resting in her Laurels is what I'm saying. And shares like the exact same way as an actress who like really um, who wants to act like doesn't want to just play a version of share

in a movie. How do you think this stacks up to Camilla, Cabo and Cinderella do not do not invoke. Jeff Bezos got what he paid for and that's all that means. Crazy. I didn't I didn't watch how how far did you make it through? Oh? I watched the whole thing. You watched the I watched the whole thing. Yes, me, and like four moms in Florida, yes, Florida and Sean Mendez not even Actually do you think Sean Mendez saw House of Gucci? I can't say. Has he listened to

thirty like post first breakup? For sure? It came justin, wasn't it. I feel like I read on or something like he initiated the breakup. I think if you initiated the breakup, you don't need to listen to thirty. Sometimes Camilla listened to thirty? Or does Camilla only listened to her own music? I think music sometimes when you were the breaker up or it can be really hard. But I don't think it was hard for Yeah, I don't think that was. Like they're still friends unlike Marizo and Patrizia.

But maybe oh my god, well one of them is dead. Maybe Camilla will have Sean killed no stop it? Who like selmahiak in this, In this like maybe who's the magical Grifter in Billy Parter, I will say, okay, one to speak one good thing about Jeff Bezos Cinderella. Billy Porter's line reading of you want to go to that ball one of my favorite things this year, I'll say it he was I would have I'm sure I would enjoy his parts of the movie. I feel that one scene.

Oh and um, Mini Driver was in that movie, MANI Driver. Mini Driver always comes to serve. She in Phantom of the Opera, which is, I mean, my favorite musical and a terrible movie that I love watching. She is the only person who understands what movies she's in, much like Lady Gaga in House of Gucci. Oh that is like evolved.

I love what you said about how Share in habits a character because something that between watching Gaga and Gucci and Sharon Moonstruck is like it you can never not see Share, you can never not see Gaga, like your brain is like that's gott like you know, but it still is a fully realized character that is distinctly not

Gaga and distinctly not Share. And sometimes a star power is what makes some of the movie that to me is the big difference between this and A Star is Born because okay, yes, the Star is Born as a little monster. I can say like Ali is very different from Gaga because like Ali kind of in a way falls into this career where Gaga like the thing that has I mean the thing that has made her like she wants it so badly and she performs so much.

And Ali was like not a performer in the same way in her personal life, whereas like Patricia like performed being a Gucci Yeah. But um, in A Star is Born, you never forget that it's Lady Gaga. Um. And she doesn't disappear into the role the way that I think she does to to like some effect in House of Gucci. Like I do believe she's playing a fully realized character, maybe not a real person, um, but I don't. I don't feel like it's just Lady Gaga and awake. No,

absolutely not. But I do think that like this meta text of like I'm watching Lady Gaga like run around Italy and like tell all these men what they are doing wrong. It's like kind of incredible fun the movie really but fun that it's not like the goofys of Ajar Letto stuff exactly exactly. I also have to say it feels like maybe missed opportunity for Gaga's dad to not have some like ad placements for Joanne's treacheria. I feel like that have eaten there. No, I wait, what

was your experience? It's disgusting. It's some of the worst Italian food I've ever The meatballs are definitely like rats. Was it huge portions? It feels like a huge portions. No, not really and very overpriced. Um, where were there a bunch of like like faggots there? Yeah, my friend Ryan was there. Oh, I mean like other other patrons. I'm sure all the waiters was like, you know, all the waiters were coming off of their like fourth audition of the day. Did come out of the kitchen as Patrizio,

Mommy have a meatball for you? Wait this rose? Did you really go to Allive Garden after you saw I did? I went direct? Oh yeah I did. Um. It was like it was like nine thirty pm in Boca Raton, Florida, and Olive Garden was closing at ten and I called to them as we were leaving the theater to see if they would still see us, and they did. That is powerful. What did you have? I had chicken parmesan, yes,

salad and breadsticks obviously, and it was Bellicia. It hits so so well and it felt like, um, the same the same level of like authenticness as the movie. Yes, yes, like the House of Gucci is the Olive Garden of films, and that is powerful. Have you been a Halive Garden? Oh my god, you're like, have I been to Olive Garden? Why do you think she asked me about it? How I've been to Olive Garden? They live there. Do listen you were born there. I will be a hit on me.

I'm trying to go to All Garden for New Year's Eve, Like, oh my god, that's invite me. It costs like four but unlimited everything all night went out, not nothing, truly. It's like embarrassing. I have checked the website once a month in the past six months, like every once month. I get on and I'm like, can I get tickets yet? Nope? Okay It's either that or like usher in Vegas, and

I'm not sure I can do that. It's going to be I was also considering a Vegas moment for for New Year's but I was going to go to Katie Perry, you know, Katy cat to Katt we are Katie Ketty, I love this about about you. Could Katie have done what Gaga did and Husse of Gucci? I know the answer. Okay, I'm going to say no because Okay, although she is she does act in the Thinking of You video, Sure, yes, if you want to call that acting, yes, I will

say this. I think that like Gaga is an actor, like she knows how to perform and she improves and it works, and it's like something like Father's House with Couti. It's like, oh my gosh, like that's so perfect for this character, of this moment, all of the stuff. Yes. Katy Perry, however, is like just out of her mind, like I don't. She doesn't. She didn't interview with the Wall Street Journal like last week where she was like I watched Succession to get business advice and it's like,

oh right, okay. Katy Perry is just like crazy, like she's cookie. I love her, and she wouldn't. She would take a script and just be like these are like guidelines, like I don't actually need to do this and like that, and we're just like a completely incoherent film like it would have been just she cannot like play a character, I think, except for Katy Perry, and that is the

only character you should play. What's your favorite Katie Perry song? Um? Okay, this is a deep cut Um there's a chain to the rhythm remix with Yadi, But like I've listened to a lot lately, it's it's like, honestly a very good song. It's a great song. But I think Witness would have been so much better if like Deja Vu Roulette had been the lead single. Oh yes, I just wish the album had actually been more like changed the rhythm. It's a very good album and people sleep on it. I

need to give it a close listen. But Katy Perry has big flop energy. Unfortunately. I say this as a Katie Cat. I want better for her, you know. I mean it's like her lat like the pre Daisy, she released like four singles, all different artwork, all promotion. Never really Over is one of the best songs she's ever made. It's just like she doesn't give a fuck, Like that's my really Katy Perry is that she has oh that l A Times interview from I think two years ago.

She says, essentially, do I need a number like another number one album? I've rung that bell, honey, and it's like the has like the most number one singles of any albums. To Michael Jackson, yes, but the implication that Katy Perry has can make number one but now wants to choose to flop is brave, powerful, radical love. It can't get enough. Thank you so much. The girl flopping, but you girls so hard you just like start actively flopping and loving it. I love it. Oh, I love

that Katie Perry has entered this space. We should maybe do a Katie episode at something. What is your go to order at all of Garden? The chicken parmesan, the chicken part I will call chicken parmesan. Love that you're considering all of Garden for New Year's Eve because Rose and I, I mean, this is very New York versus l A. But we were really wanting to do the

Margarite de Ville for New Year's Eve. We go, So we go usually go to the movies at Universal City Walk and right next to the theater there is a Jimmy Buffetts Margaritaville. It's a very cursed area. Wait is this that place that has like it's like it's only little village. Yeah, okay, I think I saw Dune there. Yeah,

that's also where we saw Dune that friends slept through. Um. Wait, I'm glad that just come around to Doune because I didn't think as I was walking into House of Gucci, I would love an Imax House of Gucci like we accidentally saw. We imagine House of Gucci and three Yeah, I would like No, I would like House of Gucci and four d X where the seats shake and they spray you. Dacine. Yeah, well this is definitely shaped daring

the Saxcine. That's when he was taking her to Pound Town. Um, what do you what do you see next for Gaga filmic Lee m hmmm, aside from um entering the m c U, Yeah, which is inevitable. I really wish that she was going to be Ursula and the Little Mermaid as she had been. I think that's a very I think like a Disney live action adaptation. While they are the least of God's worries right now, I will say that I think that she could really succeed in something

like that. Would she be not Ursula? I think she would be amazing in Disney, but not La Melissa McCarthy. Okay, so what else do we have? So we've already done Beauty and the Beast, the Little Mermaid. Um, I don't done. I don't know that. Okay, I'm a meeting the Beast. Truth. I love them. It's like they're obviously um Maleficent. Um? Has there been Maleficent doesn't count? It was a spin off. Has there been a good Disney Live action remake? Because

I don't know. I'm actually I think Cinderella is actually very good. It was it was Kate because it was the first of them and so there wasn't this like expectation for it. I do think Gaga needs to play a villain. Oh yes, oh maybe the evil queen in a snow white. They did Aladdin and Dumbo. I forgot okay, Aladdin was that was really bad. I did actually enjoy parts of it. I'm ashamed to say, but it was. It was pretty bad. Oh. They did the Jungle Book.

I forgot about that about Oh my gosh, imagine if she did Cruella, well, I mean we just got it with no if she had done it, maybe and Krella to Krella reloaded, Taga will be like her mom, her like tethered Corella her mom because her mom dies in the first one. Maybe she comes back to life. There's one thing Gaga is gonna do. It's come back to life, and she will come on set in an egg. You know what I mean it as we crawl his mom.

I mean, that's the only thing that I would At this point, they're developing a Pinocchio live action right now. And is she going to be a geppetto Italian Italian legend. Well, you already know she does great drag and Italian and the nose. It'll give her another chance to do the nose exactly exactly. You're so fucking ugly. Stop. I am

kind of sad that. I mean, I guess like Adam Driver in this movie like really resented his dad, but the fact that he didn't get a chance to say, like you could be left book and death if you fucking tried and like sell his peanut farm or whatever it was a pecan farm in Arizona. But thank you. I can't mean like one more Gaga movie where she like just really like attack someone's father for her, like to make it like a trend like, Lady Gaga does

not recognize fathers, and that's powerful and amazing. Yeah, well, maybe she's like working out some tension with her own father, who is the restaurant tour a restaurateur and absolute Trump supporter. Oh my god, wait really yeah, so I don't know. When she said that she was looking for clues in d C during the inauguration, she was she was looking, she was looking for she was looking for her dad.

We have to thank you. We have to talk about Lady Gaga in messating the Insurrection, she said, I don't consider myself the person, but I am fair and I will find people. She's like her Barbara Walter's wig on and she said, I am a woman on the ground. I'm looking for the story. I'm gonna get it live from fucking America. In her bulletproof dress, She's like, I've seen three seasons of Scandal and I know what I'm doing here. Okay, that was like an iconic I'll listen.

I'll say it. That quote was better than House of Gucci, Lady Gaga saying, yes, The Insurrection was better than any movie could ever be. What do you think Patrizia's favorite song on the Stars Born soundtrack would be why did you do this to me? Because she feels it? Why did why did he do this to her? That is I I don't know if like the stakes of Patrizia's emotional devastation were felt by me at the end, However, it was definitely the That's how I felt leaving the theater.

Still like it was to me when I left the theater, the resonant thing was like she really even though she's obviously crazy and an anti hero, like I felt that how was she an anti hero or was she a villain? I think I think structurally she I think she was an anti hero personally because I think that they wouldn't have painted such a favorable portrait of her falling in love with Adam to me if they didn't want you

to root for her at least a little bit. And I also feel like when even though um, I don't know, I feel like even though like there wasn't like they were part components of it that fell apart that I think we're a fault of the script and not necessarily a fault of like Gaga, I still felt like it started and ended with a woman in love, and to me it was not even though it's her love is corrupted by money and greed and power, which she obviously wanted to it still was about love and another Gaga

film that ends with her with her man dead. Yeah, well Jackson Mane loves forever. There. We can at least determine that in whatever the Gaga's third movie is her she's gonna get in a fight with the dad, her husband's gonna die, she's going to be in a bathtub, and she's going to have a gay best friend. Yes, and I'm putting it out into the universe. Hunter Harris is going to write that movie. I will open final drop at this table like please do not test me.

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