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I'm not gonna lie to the virgin. You mean you don't do a bi annual Titanic viewing like I do? So do you mean bi annual in the twice year since or in the every other year since? Because okay, here the English language is insane and bi annual does mean both? Isn't that so stupid? Well it means that I'm by and I watch it in you elite. Oh that's a really good um. Anyways, and virgins, in case you haven't figured it out, um, and we did warn

you ahead of time. Today we are watching Titanic and discussing all of the things that there are to discuss about um what bros Will say is the greatest film ever created. Yes, today we are revisiting James Cameron's flawed but beautiful masterpiece Titanic. Uh, and we really have to call it James Cameron's Titanic. I feel like we should be erasing him at this point. I feel like it should be erased. His dirty little fingerprints are all over it and it would not be what it is without him.

And we are going to look back at Titanic and talk about how it shaped us, how maybe some of us crashed into it like an iceberg and it totally changed the course of our lives. Because this is like a virgin the show where we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose damn you, and I'm fran Toronto. Yeah he there's nothing effy epsing myself for this. I have something really dark to admit, which is that I

did not leave my apartment this weekend. Not once did you step out to get like a coffee or like I stepped out to take trash to the dumpster. Otherwise I did not leave my I didn't leave my apartment building. I love that. Honestly, it's all about restoration here and uh did you did you restore? What did you do? Well? What? I The main reason is that I read um three

books this weekend. Oh so brag So I I just got a kindle because I want one and Amazon day, Oh no, no, no, no, no, backup, back up, phoebe take that out. We are not on this podcast anyway, shouting out Amazon Day. I got it. I got an unnamed electronic reader, um, and I read six books last week. Whoa, I'm so jealous of your reading ability. You're reading. The caveat is unmatched. The caveat is. They were all historical gay romances, so you know they're they're quick reads. What

are were they lesbian romances? Where they was gonna they were mm oh not mm so they can't even be deemed bodice rippers. They're um like Cody rippers. Did we just did we just invent that? Honestly, we're genius. Um. Well, so I started reading one of them while we were on vacation. You you have seen what is it called The Soldier and Soldier Scoundrels, The Soldiers scoundrel So I finished that and read the other two books in that series, and then I read a series by this author whose

books I've read before. Their name is K. J. Charles, and I read this series. Um, that's sort of like it's called The Charm of Magpies and it's like historical gay fantasy. I kind of needed it because I have been writing a lot and reading a lot has been really helpful to that process. And also I just like wanted to read some gay, historical gay erotica. Love that for you. I do think we should start like a

Virgin book club. I definitely I'm on a little reading stint after a whole I mean, in June, I feel like I didn't read at all. But on Fire Island I did start to read the Death of a vic O g by Equake, a messy who's like an amaze author that I've admired for a while. And I also picked up, much to your delight, I finally picked up a rather borrowed my friend Amy's copy of Searcy by Madeline Miller. Oh, I didn't know that. That's amazing. Yeah,

I forgot to tell you about it. But like Madeline Miller wrote a Song of Achilles, which is one of my favorite books of all time, and I very famously did interview her for my senior thesis paper for undergrad I think Searcy is the superior book. Okay, but I obviously you know Witchcraft is always going to reign supreme for me. But I think it would be so fun to do a book club because you and I have obviously is anyone who listens to this podcast knows have

very different tastes that often intersect. So I feel like if we did something where like every other month, we switched off on something that one of us was interested in reading. Although I'm going to draw a hard line on like conflict does not abuse is like not going in the rotation. Oh I can't. I can't honestly provide any nonfiction, Like you will not pick up any nonfiction. No, I will pick up nonfiction. Name one nonfiction book you

would consider. Um. Wait, I was reading something nonfiction recently and now I can't remember what it was. You just can't handle reality. I can't handle reality though. It's but my taste is I prefer fiction and if I'm going to read, and if I'm going to read essays, like I read a lot of journalism and like essays and nonfiction, but I don't like reading them. In book form. I need like the short bites, yeah, the the real nes Um.

If you are interested in a like a virgin book club, Um, slide into our d M s and let us know and we will figure out a way to make it happen. And if you would like to be our intern running the like a version book club, because we don't have the capacity to do that, please let us figure we could figure it out easily. But also slide into our d M s and recommend some books. Okay, sounds good. I love to read. Okay, now you want to say, I say I love to read as if it's with

a gun to my head. Um, okay, yes, let me tell you Rose. I picked up drag Race Haspania. I'm honestly very ashamed that I hadn't started watching up until now. Um I had a friend, Um it might have been no actually who told me to skip season one because it's kind of a flop and just watch season two, which is an immaculately cast season and it is so good.

And I have to say, I mean, okay. The one caveat is that lip syncs across the board have been terrible, Like I don't know if like Spanish drag there's a lot of obviously cultural nuances between all the different kinds of international drag shows that are happening, but like maybe there's a different threshold are quality metric or performance style that exists in Spain because I feel like but I feel like like lip syncs have been bad across the

board multiple franchises, because the lipsticks have been bad on All Stars this season. Actually t like they really have been, like not even Jinks really is like serving in the lip syncs. But I think part of it is the song selection. Yeah it is is um that's so true. I but what I wanted to say, just to plug the show, or at least to plug season two for the Virgins, is that one the critiques are incredible, Like they are so thorough on the critiques for dr Espana,

and the categories are really cool. They had a whole category on al Motive our Films. They they had a horror category, which drag Race has never done, and it was like maybe one of the best runways I've seen on any drag Race franchise in a very long time. And the Hobbies, who are the co directors and creators of laven No, really esteemed creators in Espania are two of the judges on drag Race, and not only are the excellent judges, but they are the hottest people on

the planet. And I actually I'm going to send you a picture right now. I think I've seen what they look like. Babe. Let's see what you consider the hottest people on the planet. Just these two average like Abercambie looking white men. But it's just the fact that they're like also like talented and astute and intellectual and like brilliant creators in addition to being hot. I mean, they're hot.

I wouldn't call them the hottest people on the plan. No, no, no, no, no, no no, no, okay, okay, get wait wait wait wait, give me give me secon give me a second, give me a second. No, I don't I don't think. I don't think different photos will change that opinion. No, it will, it will, it will, it will, it will, it will it won't. Okay. Anyways, are they boyfriends, Yes, they're boyfriends. They're like part their husbands. Basically, it's they're giving Bellamy

a little bit. Yeah, they are giving Bella me. Oh god, I hate that about me. Um. Speaking of TV shows that you that that one of us watches the other one doesn't. UM. I started watching What We Do in the Shadows this weekend, which I had never so. It's a vampire mockumentary that was created by Tako A t T and the guy from behind Flight of the Concords UM. I have known about it for a while but was never really interested in watching it, even though, like obviously

I love vampires. But the new season came out recently. I think it was just nominated for an Emmy, and so I guess it's been in the ether enough that I was interested and saw it pop up on Hulu as something recommended for me, and I watched the whole first season this weekend and I haven't laughed out loud watching a TV show like that in forever. It's actually funny.

It's about for anyone who doesn't know it's about. It's like mockumentary style, like The Office or Parks and Recreation, about three vampires who lived together on Staten Island and they're very like old school vampiric, like very like Dracula Ivantus Blood but like ridiculous, and they have a human familiar who takes care of them and they just get into all these like crazy hijinks. The first season, Beanie

Feldstein is in as a referring guest star. It is so funny and smart and I just have heard so many good things about it and it's it's really good. And despite how kind of tired I am of Taiko A. T t as a like cultural figure, I mean, he's he directs and writes a lot of it. But it was only in one episode. There's actually an episode in the first season that features actors who have played iconic vampires in a bunch of different media, like Tilda Swinton's in It so clever, Like what a what a kind

of cinematic invention on the writing level. Yeah, I guess it was based on They made a movie version of this like years ago, and so this is an adaptation of that. Um. The fourth season is currently on now. But it's really funny. I think you would be into it if you watched it. From what you described, it sounds like really good. I I might have to hop on because I'm I'm not necessarily running out of TV, but like I could use something new because I feel

like I'm just watching the same ship. I started it out because I thought it would be something good to watch while I was doing something else, like while I was I was cleaning on Saturday, and thought it would be good to have something in the background. But then it's so good that I stopped doing the other things I was doing so that I could just watch it. Okay, I love that Rose. I I wouldn't say I was excited for the Lizzo album, but I am like a Lizzo stand like I adore her as a celebrity. I

have been following her since day one. I remember going to see her do a talk and performance at south By Southwest to like a room of like a hundred and fifty people, like I love Lizzo and I actually really loved her last album because I Love You. But the singles that she has been putting out have been I mean, they've just they've just they've been TikTok songs. We can say that they've been perfect. And I don't want to get and because I love her, I don't

want to get on here and like grill Lizzo. Like even if I don't think that this new album Special is really that great. The thing that I feel warrants critique is a song on this album called Everybody's Gay. Have you seen or heard about this at all? Not? Well, she there's actually only seen kind of uniformly positive engagement

with the Lizzo album from people. That's so interesting to me. Um. I will save maybe my thoughts on the album for group chats, but I think that it is worth it to say that Lizzo and her team knew what they were doing when they put a song on this album called Everybody's Gay. They're gonna get the pink news them to us, like headline circuit that says Lizzo has created like the next queer anthem. This is so amazing, Um, like put it up in the clubs. It's Michael Jackson

referential like whatever. And like this song, first of all, it sucks. The lyrics are garbage, and I feel like it is such a vacant ploy to be an ally anthem that has not earned its keep, Like when we think about the canon of gay anthems or whatever, starting from like Diana Ross doing I'm coming out to express

yourself to born this way. This is coming from artists who have clocked the hours and have put in the work as like a queer ally so to speak, to have written and put out a single that is like essentially pandering to that community, and I feel like this song was on like you need to calm down levels of like cringe in terms of what it was trying

to do with like the Pride circuit. And I don't know, it just like was very ick to me because Lizzo unfortunately belongs to this class of celebrities that briefly came out as like queer and then went back into the closet.

Was like, no, I'm an ally, I'm an ally because like Nikki did that, jesse J did that, Gaga kind of did that, Like Marcos never said that she's not actually bisexual, no, but she has very explicitly pivoted to ally and every every time she talks about the community she identifies as an ally, even if she hasn't explicitly said I'm not bisexual anymore or whatever. It is a strict heijik motivation, probably put on by like their management teams.

I'm sure it's maybe something they don't want to do, but like if celebrities are queer, they often have to go back into the closet to have more mainstream appeal,

and I feel like Lizza was one of those people. Yeah, I think the difference with Gaga and not to harbor Gaga, but you know, I spent most of yesterday watching clips from the Chromatical Ball and the thing that says Gaga apart her her sexuality aside, and I think it's a very slippery slope to say, like she's not who she says she is, but Gaga is and has always been

fully immersed in queer exactly exactly. It's in a way in a way that I've never seen lizzob And I wonder if for Lizzo because she's such a gen Z pop star and we're at this point of like no labels, you know, like everyone's gay. Like she does feel the right to play in that sandbox without having actually like done the on the ground work, just because of the sort of like almost post identity era that we are in.

And the thing about this song and also with you need to Calm Down, which I think is in the same category. It's like, which I do. It's one of my baby to kind of regularly no no, no, not but but it's like it's the one with if I'm coming to that. This is Taylor Swift Spotify playlist and you need to calm down comes on I won't skip. Oh my god, you are losing credibility on this podcast

fast that song issh Um, I don't give a ship. Well, what I was going to say that you disagree with is that the I would totally excuse the egregiousness of both of these like songs if they were just good songs. But the songs are both of the songs. I think we're more focused on shape never made anybody. Let's get that sucks. That's one of the worst things that has ever been written. Um. And I really feel like like if the songs were good, all of this would be forgiven.

Like I would not give a ship about being pandered too. If the song is good and um, and that's like not a great that's I'm not proud of that, but I think that that is culturally. Culturally, that's how the machine works. And um. Yeah. Anyways, I just needed to to to vent about it because Lizzo is someone who I adore and admire and I'm rooting for and she you know, her celebrity is not tainted. She's going to

continue to ascend and make better and better work. But like, this is just not it and I don't think the album is is it either it's like, honestly like bootleg Michael Jackson, bordering on bootleg justin Timberlake, which is bootleg Michael Jackson, I guess, but it's like getting to like the Robin Thick territory of like generic like disco feel good. I don't even know what it is, but I mean

speaking but speaking of disco feel good. Before we go, um, I'm here to give my official review of Minions The Rise of grou which I did see on my birthday last week, and it was so good. I had such a fun time at that movie. I went in knowing absolutely nothing about Minions still known, I think I probably know less about them having seen the movie. But it was a great time. It was short and sweet. The one thing I was disappointed about was that a lot of the songs on the album are not actually in

the movie. It's like a lot of the songs that are covered, they played the actual versions of them in the movie. So I guess the album is more like inspired by the film. It's more of like a vibe. But um, yeah, it was. It was great. I had a great time, and um, I I don't know that I will ever see a Minions movie again. I did clock some gentle Minions in the theater, which I don't know if you've seen this phenomenon for the visions. What

are what our gentlemans? So it's this TikTok thing of young men who go to Minions movies in full suits. Do they have any Minions makeup or paraphernili just they're just wearing suits? What gentle minions, gentlemenion? Where does this come from? That's so CULTI probably from TikTok. Probably from TikTok as it always comes from TikTok. Um. Wow, maybe I'll wear my suit to the Minions to the to my Minion screening. I don't really recommend you see it.

I don't think you would enjoy it. I mean, I think it would be fine, but I just it's not how I want to spend my day, I guess. I still I'm honestly behind on on like going to theaters and seeing movies. I have to get my home, I asked, Hi, an am see, I've been seeing like the thing three movies a week because of my now stubs. A list status, that's ryan a list status, Mama, I'm going to see

where the crowdut sing tomorrow problematic. I have something I'm not going to say shameful but definitely vulnerable to admit, which is that when Titanic came out in theaters, I saw it five times, and the original release, the original release, I saw it five times. And how old were you? I was nine and I saw it five times. The first time I saw with my mom, and then after

that she was like, you're on your own. So the most visceral memory I have of seeing it is I went with my brother, my brother who's two years younger than me, so he would have been seven, and totally didn't get what was going on. And I was sobbing the whole movie. And at the end, after the movie ended, we were outside of the movie theater waiting for my mom to pick us up, sobbing, and this elderly couple, this like old woman came over to be like, little boy,

are you okay? You know she didn't know, and I was like, it was, It's just such a sad movie that honestly sounds a lot like your experience of watching Coco, which I think you've counted on the show before. But I just can't remember. Yes, Um, I do have a propensity for crying so loudly in an after movies that people need to check on me. Stranger alright, complete strangers are like, are you okay? Girl? You know I am a cancer. I'm a crier and nothing gets me like

a melodramatic movie. And what is more melodramatic? Then we told you this was melodrama, as Lord sang on her

two thousand seventeen album Melodrama. Um, yeah, Titanic really is the perfect blending of a romantic melodrama and an action disaster movie, like perfectly, like if they had a child, like the absolute best even split of a film in those two ways, and like each of them kind of in conversation with them, like propping up the other, because you could have made a Titanic movie that's all about just like the disaster of it, but then you would be missing the human element and you could make this

like schmaltzy romance movie, but it wouldn't have the high stakes of the Titanic sinking. So I do think bringing those two together is what makes this like a perfect film, And the love story is what lets you feel this kind of larger than life tragedy in a really human way, and like that their personal tragedy makes the huge scale of the Titanic itself feel even more tragic. I was, I'm trying to think of other movies that are also like one part romance one part disaster film, Like Hunger

Games is like, I guess, more dystopian than it is disaster. Yeah, and it's also not a romance. I mean it does. It has a love triangle in it, but it's not what it's about. But the love triangle takes is in the entire trilogy. I think it's a little but it's not centered the way it isn't in Titanic because its Titanic. What people think about is not, Oh, King Kong, that's

a love story. I don't think Peter Jackson said it was a love story, But I'm talking about like, when you leave Titanic, you don't you think about the love story? Did you like King Kong? Talk about another three hour movie? I've never seen it. Really, I will say it's very good. Jack Black eight, He really does he play King Kong? No, he plays like you know the scientists that that you know understands King Kong, that who has the love story

Jack Black and King Kong. I'm sure there's fan fiction about. I think they loves to or as King Kong and Naomi Watts. I think it's I think there's a I don't actually remember, but I do just have a very vivid memory of Peter Jackson talking about how much he loves King Kong and that is a love story. Um is Peter Jackson British? No, he know, he's from New Zealand. Was like the whole the whole thing. Oh right, yeah,

that's why tellphone Anyways, Titanic. Um. I was not allowed to watch Titanic growing up, obviously, but we really devastated. It's weirdest, like in our household, like there could not be like a runchier movie, Like like in my mind it was the most r rated, most scandalous thing I could possibly go see because of Kate Winslet's boobs, because of well I didn't know why at the time, but looking back, looking back, because because of the boobs, like the sex scene is like like really really p g

Like all you see is her hands. I mean it's very visceral, but you don't see anything, you know what I mean, And you see them kind of like shuddering on each other and and you know, like it is kind of clear that in that relationship, Jack is the bottom because he's the one who is much more like winded by the whole situation. He like collapses on top of her. And um, yeah, Kate is definitely the topic. Also,

like they are. I think they're a T for TA couple, right, you were telling me this, and I feel like, um, I feel like you know, I would, I would ask you to provide evidence and our support. Okay, okay, I will, you will, I will provide me some some backing. So some of this is so some of this is supported by producer Phoebe who found an article that was written about this whole thing. Um, the article neither of us have read. This theory is this theory is not mine.

I mean I've definitely always felt that there was their Their vibe was very tee for tea, which I see immediately. But one of the things that was specifically called out it's like, I do think Leo of this era, like teen dreamboat Leo on the cover of Tiger Beet magazine, is really giving like a year on T energy, maybe even less than a year. I think a year. I think a year long enough for the voice to drop a little bit um like post top surgery. And that's one of the things is that you never see him

shirtless in the movie. Yeah, there we go, because you don't want to see you because otherwise you would see the topic. Jack and Rose very chosen names. I'm sorry, I mean not really really coming for me, but they are. They're chosen names. I mean, Jack is a really hot name. I feel like that must have been it probably, I'll bet you those were two of the most popular names, like absolutely, like like kids who now are what like twenty there are all Rose. Well, actually they've all transitions

for the Jackson Jack. Um, I was there? Um, did you have the VHS box set? Girl and My boy? That I mean the movie that came in three VHS?

I know its two VH. Sorry. I remember so vividly the day that I went to the mall to buy the box set of Titanic and I went home and I watched it while sitting on the bed that my ex stepdad's grandma died on, and watched the movie twice in a row, and then probably watch it like every day after school when I got home stick in the head and now for a year and I I And it wasn't just the movie for me, so like Titanic mania was such a thing. Okay, you had the paraphernalia.

I had the paraphernalia. I had a book about the movie. I had a book about the shipwreck. I asked for a model of it for Hanuka and got it and built about like a fifteenth of it and then completely abandoned it and just sat in sat in my closet. Um I I was. I was more obsessed with the movie than with the ship, and like the story itself, although I do like other you know, Titanic associated media, like I love that Titanic the Titanic sinking is the

inciting incident of Downtown Abbey. I didn't know this either, And I mean, my mind is blowing because I've never seen down Natty Well. I didn't he really need you really need to change that it's about the Titanic for some reason. But that's like, I mean, I feel like the Titanic is like nerd ship. Like the fact that James Cameron. Another fact that you turned me onto that I had no idea was that James Cameron was a marine biologist or he was not a marine biologist, but

he was fascinated with the bottom of the ocean. Um

he worked as an explorer. Well he he you know, was a very rich director after the success of Terminator and Aliens, and he started doing all this underwater exploration and a lot of the footage of the Titanic that's in the movie are from his And that's why the Bill Paxton character in the movie like is in the movie because he is basically a self insert of James Cameron and literally, like in a deleted scene, hooks up with Um James Cameron's ex wife, who was who plays

the granddaughter of Old Rose. I'm shook to find out that there are deleted scenes, honestly because this man needed an editor and I need more. I wish the deleted scenes were on the movie. I think it could be longer. No it I feel like a third of it could have been a chop chop chopped or honestly, if it were made today, it would just be a limited series. It would be it would have been a great limited series.

It would be. I mean that's basically what Downtown abou Ish I would like to I would like a limited series that's centered around Kathy Bates, the uncloppable Molly Brown. Well that is actually and we have to get to Kathy. But I have to say, like, the thing that is really cool about the world building of the movie is that the Titanic is in and of itself an ecosystem that you only peel away a few layers of by

way of the characters that you follow around. But if it were a mini series, you really would get to dive into so many different parts of the boat and so many different like people that kind of make this thing happen. It would be very Downton Abbey. It would be very because down to like the whole point of Downton Abbey is like it's about the the the tension and the differences between the upstairs and the downstairs, the

masters and the servants. And I think that's what um something that's like I like Titanic obviously as a movie like does reckon with class, Like that's what the whole love story is about. But you're right in that, I think like it's a really great setting for a longer piece of fiction because you could investigate all of these different people, like you know, the people, the first class people, you know, the people in steer Ridge, the people who are working on the boat. How long were they at

sea before they crashed? Um, I want to say like ten days? Okay on April twelve. I would love to watch a mini series that was about those ten days. And they could all just be about gossip, like literally, like intracommunal, like Titanic, like class Woul should barely be the gilded age? Yes on a boat. Yeah, well not the guild age, because that is like not a good TV show. But like, get out of here, baby, you

have said verbatim that it's not good like you. The first couple of episodes were a little boring, but by the end of the season it was incredible, but incredible in a background television No, no, incredible and I was on the edge of my seat glued to the TV. Really yes, well maybe I will. And it's and it was created and written by Julian Fellows, who also created and wrote down Too Abbey, So she must have been upset.

Was she obsessed with the titan Titanic too? I think that the reason the Titanic sinking is is was useful as a plot device in Downton Abbey. And I think why a lot of artists, like James Cameron other people find it interesting. Is because it does feel like a cultural shift, and like, um, it does kind of signal the end of and the end of of of a period in you know, society for sure. Like it is kind of like the end of like the Gilded Age and like the Edwardian era UM, and it kind of

ushers in a new age UM. And it like literally all of these rich people dying you know, at sea at like at this during this um you know, kind of like the most at the time, like the biggest manifestation of opulence and arrogance, you know, because it was like the Ship of dreams. It was like the biggest ship ever made. It was unsinkable. And that like the gag that that ship sunk on a maiden voyage while all of the some of the richest, most famous people

in the world were on board. Is like that's why it's such an enduring tragedy, is because it is like a crystallization of, you know, the arrogance of man. So the Titanic basically was this generation's fire Festival. It's not a perfect metaphor because I think like fire Festival was like was a scam, and the Titanic was not necessarily a scam. It was just like, well it scammed a lot of people, was theirs. It was just kind of like a gross miscalculation, whereas Fire Festival like was actually

trying to pull the wool over people's eyes. Well, I mean the Titanic was clearly not built properly, like very Boeing seven kind of stick. Like that's a little bit of a scam. They did scam people. Yeah, where's the wors the inventing and a miniseries about like the girl boss who made this? I love that it has to be a woman. That's that's why we have all these girl Boss TV shows. It's like it's just misogyny. Yeah.

I feel like if if the Titanic existed, you know today, like the top of that would be like influencers, you know what I mean, influencers and like George W. Bush, who else would be up there? Just rich people, rich people, the Headid's real housewife. Maybe. I don't think the Kardashian I mean, I don't think any of the house eyes are even rich enough to be like on the top of the type. Yeah, well maybe the Beverly Hills girls yeah,

or the Dubai girls. The Dubai girls, Yeah, yeah, they would, But who wants to be on a boat for that long? Like the the idea of traveling by boat? Do you get sea sick? I do get sea sick on like extended trips. I've only been on one cruise. I don't remember why my parents didn't and we might have gotten like a group on or something. But I remember enjoying the novelty of a cruise, but like mostly being disgusted

by everything I lost. I lost my virginity on a cruise. No, ye, you lost your virginity at seat I know, just like just like Jack and Rose and I did think about that while it was happening. Yeah, and it was who was it? What was the circumstance? How have we never talked about this on a podcast about virginity? So it was New Year's Eve? No, it was not New Year's Eve.

I was a senior in high school and I was had like made friends with these kids who were on the cruise, and we were all like in a hotel. We were all in one of our rooms, and there was one other gay kid, and so the two straight couples we were with started like hooking up in their respective beds, because that's just like what teenagers do when

they're hanging out. It's like, well, like we're all going to hook up in the same room because like we don't have anywhere else to go, and so the gay can I kind of looked at each other and we're like, I guess we should leave um. And then we were like we hadn't been into each other the whole trip, but it's it's it's a default. It's yeah, and also you know the romance of being New Year's Eve if we were and we couldn't go back to either of our rooms because I was sharing a room with my brother.

He was sharing a room with like someone else in his family. So we had to go to a bathroom and fuck in one of the stalls, and he used hand soap as lube, yes, and it was like so painful and uncomfortable, but I did your asshole was squeaky clean. I was squeaky clean, and I do think I might have like done hand on the side of the bathroom. Rose, Like, Rose, is that why you have not? Why do you have your name? Rose? Is this? So that is how I lost my virginy? I never spoke to this boy again.

He was very cute though he looked like um, he looked like Jason Biggs from American Pie. Wow. So that was my sort of Titanics. And then the boat sank an iceberg in the boat sank, Wow, But I survived because I got into the life boat with the women and children. Do you think if we were on the Titanic in and we tried to get on one of the life boats with the women and children, do you think they would let us on? No? I don't think so. Well, I mean they might let me on because they'll be like, well,

here's a man. But that's they wouldn't have because children. Oh right, yeah. Oh. In my head, I just immediately assumed that all the men get the privilege of getting on. Then that's the river someone happened. It's the what's the one circumstance in which the patriarchy like doesn't right? Right? But that I mean, rich guys still got their own boats though, Because you think I would if they would have just assumed I was like I was fish, Yeah,

I think I would have gotten on the boat. I mean, yeah, I guess it would depend I would depend on a few different things. But you know, I wouldn't have left you behind. I would have stayed on the boat with you, just like Ross I would have. I would have gotten on the boat and then I would have had that moment I was like, I can't leave them behind, and I would have jumped onto the ship. But then I probably would have like missed and fallen into water and die.

I know, oh my god. Honestly, like disaster movies, like really like like I had a lot of existential terror around because of disaster movies when I was a kid. Um we had this there's this like novel slash TV series that's really popular among Christians called Left Behind. Yes, I've never read it, but I remember every time I went into a bookstore when I was a kid, I would see them and the covers are very much giving

like young adults sci fi fantasy. Yeah, and so I would so I would always be like, is this something I should be reading? Is this like a vampire romance or something? And for those of you that don't know, it's about the rapture. It's about the rapture of our Lord and Savior. I've never I don't remember ever finishing the books, but I actually have a very vivid This is a really great Margot memory of when my sister started reading this series. I remember her being very affective

by it. And one night my mom was like, princesso Francisco, come come into Medissa's room and I was like, okay, And I come in and my sister is sobbing uncontrollably, and I was like, oh my god, what's going on? There is everything okay? And my sister has like the Left Behind, like the Left Behind book, like the first one, like in her lap or whatever, and and um, she's crying because the book is horrific and like really scary and about the end of the world and how if

you're a sinner you're going to die basically yeah. And my my mom was like, your sister has decided to accept Lord and Savior into her heart and she she's chosen a path of Christ. Isn't that such good news? And I was like, my my sister is literally crying. She's like, aren't you so happy? And I was like, so this book enacted psychological terror to trick my sister, and that was the whole point of them. Yes, literally

there's propaganda. They're literally propagandic It so fucked um. But yeah, no, I wish there was like a basically what the Titanic. I wish there was like a teen book series about the Titanic. There probably is. We need a gay Titanic story. I would love. I mean, this is what I'm saying about the mini series is like, well, I mean there's there's so many different stories. I mean there are lots of like in fan fiction, there's lots of Titanic A

use alternate universe. So it's like these two characters but they're on the Titanic. I've definitely very Potter. Yeah, Draco Harry on the Titanic. I've definitely I've actually definitely read

that before. Stupid I hate that. Oh my god. Okay, so some of my favorite parts of the movie, Okay, favorite favorite line reading, So like they're definitely like when Rose gets out of the car at the beginning, and like she has the hot on and she looks up at the type Titanic and then it doesn't look bigger than the Maretania and then um, you know, she has some some banter with Billy Zane, who plays Cal her her fiance, and he says you can be blase about

something's Rose, but not about Titanic love that love that one. Also when Rose and her mom are fighting about like being poor and Rose's mom is tightening her corset and they're fighting and Rosco's careful mother, you'll give yourself a nose bleed, which is a scene that I reenacted with Rebecca Moore on the set of The Cocktail Story is Poor and that I was in. Oh no, no, it was with Sophie. Sophie was lacing up my corset. I

love that. I mean, any scene in any cultural object where a woman is putting another woman into a corset is a movie that I want to watch. The Caribbean. We're just going a cut breeze. Were she saying it like through her teeth. And then because Kire Nightley does have the same voice as Sean Connery, so she says like you have no shunch of decentcy just you can you can hear her underbite, and she faints because of the corset because that's why she falls into the oceans

because her corset is so tight. Well, she actually was physically injured from that scene. She I think she like broke a rib or something like that, but she did it so gracefully. Yeah, and she was seventeen years old. How old was she? She was? She was young. I also think I think Kate Winslett was really young when she made Titanic could be in Partan, but Kira could not be in Titanic. Wait, no, Kira could actually do

Titanic beautifully. Kate Winslet she turned twenty one while filming the movie, and Leo turned two, so they were really young, really young. Do you think do you think Kira could be in Titanic as Rose? Yeah? No, I mean yes, I certainly think that Kira has that sort of I's not Kira who. Kira has that like overlay of real t with like a like a strength underneath, and she

could definitely do it. Yeah, that that that kind of um, a tenacity, a spunk he has that spunk Rose Rose definitely has spunk um And you know, like it's sad like, let's not forget that the Jack and Rose meat because Rose is about to kill herself. Yeah, she's about to jump off the back of the boat and get shredded

by the propellers. I forgot about that. Very dark Yeah it is, and that it feels like it feels like I'm standing in the middle of a room screaming that no one here's that's kind of the beginning of the holiday. To do you remember when she sticks her head and no point, no point. I love that scene. I mean, been there a girl. Another of my favorite scenes, which I did think was really discussing at the time, is the scene where Jack teachers Rose has a spit spit

like a man. Well yeah, I mean, and they really like Hakka lugi and then he swallows it. There really is, which is kind of hot. Now it is hot. I remember it being hot. The movie could not exist without gender roles, like the gender in this movie is so strong, which I think actually is an appeal to the movie. I I really love the hard line that is and

that honestly enforces your teeth for te totally. I mean, she's running around like like that scene where she's running around the bottom of the ship as it's full full of water and she's in a fucking gown, in the gown, the gown, but she won't because she's a lady. But it's such a gag and she looks so good. And also, interestingly enough, like the screen, I think the story wants

you to see the ways that Kate. You know, Kate's character really has a lot more like man tendencies, Like she has a tenacity, she has that you know, confidence, she she wants to bring into those spaces. And Leo is like very sensitive and like very dreamy and like they like that that that that duality, the swappiness and the t for tinas she does. She kind of feels like the heroine and he feels like the damns the heroine. He that is so tea all the way. I wonder

like was that intentional or no? No, I mean like they're there. But you know, it doesn't matter what movie you make, there will be you know, seven hundred term papers about why it's queer or why the gender roles have been Titanic is. You know, I wouldn't say that it's queer. I will say that it's like gay canon because of the further surrounding it and how much we love it. And you know, some things are so heterosexual that they become gay. Yeah, they have to turn back

around and become gay. And I think that so much of the lead up there's a lot of suspended romantic tension, and I think that that build up is also very gay. There's a lot that comes with the like when are they going to kiss? Oh my god, how they're falling in love? Oh my god, it's happening, like swept away my flying machine, I'm flying Jack? What is I'm flying? It's the little song he sings to her when they're

on the on the back on the world. Yeah, okay, oh god, that was like so inescapable like that, just like the culture surrounding Titanic. I remember reading Mad magazine and it was the whole Titanity magazine. Allowed to read that growing up because it's kind of raunchy, right, yeah it is. Um well, I would read Nickelodeon magazine, which probably had some Titanic stuff in it. I had a

replica Heart of the Ocean, of course he did. And I was it expensive or when it was cheap, and I might still have one because I was Old Rose for Halloween a couple of years ago. Was one of my last successful Halloween costume. Really good Halloween cost thank you. I did the old age makeup myself, right, Oh I love that, by which I mean I just didn't wear makeup. Yeah,

you watched one YouTube tutorial and oh yeah I love that. No, I know, I did actual old age makeup and that was I was djaying, So I was like DJ old Rose that night. That was fun. I love that we need to bring you out of DJ retirement. I've been advocating for this. I feel like at our next our next show really needs to have what was your DJ name? Just Rose? It was just Rose, DJ Rose. What was

your vibe as a DJ? Um techno? It was like it was like um Berlin's sex party me um uh pop. I was going to ask if you played pop. Yeah. I played like really trolley remixes of pop songs like I would like I would play like a sex party at a dungeon and not like five Am. I would play a remix of come Clean, the Hillary Duff song. That's really good. That's a really good yeah. So that was That was kind of my DJ five I'm sure I have a my Heart Will Go On remix somewhere which,

oh my god, my Heart will go On. We were remaking Titanic. Who would do the song? We're thinking, Okay, we're thinking torch song but mainstream. I feel like Adele is obvious because mainstream, but like think about it in the nineties, like Celine Dion was not necessarily at her peak, but in the late nineties she wasn't. She was around, but she well around in the United States and Canada. She is the most famous person of that. Okay, so actually I do think Adele, you're right. Yeah, to me,

it's getting Dell. But who else? A Delphie is too obvious because she did the James Bond movie too. She didn't a Bond song, Like, who else would it be? Like a tor a contemporary Torch song. It's not Phoebe Bridgers to all, but she's actually so mainstream now maybe no, it wouldn't. Can you imagine Bridgers doing a Titanic song? Actually if they? Here's the thing though, is like if it were made today, it would probably like Jack Antonov would like produce the soundtrack, and then it would be

like all the that's not melodramatic enough. You know. There was a Titanic musical and I saw it when I was a kid. Yeah, it was bad. What was it? I think that some of the music I think that it is it is regarded as a good piece of art. Maybe I don't. I don't. I think it was kind of a flop, although it might have won best musical

at the Tony's. I'm not sure and I won't look it up, but I did see it because, as I said, I was obsessed with Titanic and this was like still in the years Titanic Mania, and like, I'm still obsessed with Titanic. I I'm not saying that my name is Rose because of Titanic, but it is certainly a contributing factor. I mean, I would absolutely be rewatching if it was an hour shorter. I will probably watch it tonight, like while I'm repacking for a fire Island. Hopefully, oh my god,

hopefully the ferry doesn't sink. No, but we should do. We should do um King of the World on the Fire Island ferry. I'm just imagining us in the middle of whatever. I don't know. Harbor is between Sayville and the Pines on a floating door being like road, and the water is actually only like six ft deep. Yeah, and there's like a twink like drowning and sludge on the slide. That's like help If the boat sinks, though, what are we going to have to float on? I

guess like a case of lacroix. Someone brought a palette of of keylime Lacroix. Yeah, but yeah, okay, but if there's not room enough for both of us on it on the Lacroix palette, who's surviving. I mean, I feel like I have more survivalist instincts than you. No offense, Oh so you would push me off and kill me. No, that's not what I'm saying. I was just saying I have more survivalist instincts. But I do think, yes, you

would push me off and kill me. Well, the reality is that if we did, if we have our ferry wrecked between Sayville and and Fire Island, I do think you could swim to shore and survive. I think we I think we both could could make it to shore. I think we both could. I have definitely on Fire Island been. There was one time on my birthday where I was so high on ketamine that I went to the ocean and swam out really really far. And then

that's kind of scared. And then realized once I got that far out that all my energy is gone and I did not know how I was going to get back to shore. And that's so dumb, right, And I was so high, I was so high, but so stupid. I'm just floating in the middle. That's the kind of dumb ship I used to do. I was so high and I just like I just kind of like gave it up to God, and eventually the waves did bring me back to shore. Honestly, and honestly, nothing feels better

than being in the ocean on Kenemine. It is the best feeling. I feel like it's so even if both of us but not when you think you're about to die. Yeah, even if both of us have the kind of um ability to swim back to shore. I feel like the weight of like all of my toiletries would would would sink me to the ocean. Oh so you're still holding onto your bags And I mean it's a lot of girl. The combined cost of my toiletries when I travel hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of dollars. Yes, more than the

heart of the ocean. Is my heart of the ocean. Okay, It's like you and I did it again video. It's like, um, I hand you like a like a Tata Harper Boister. It's like I thought, the old woman moisturizer alone is like a hundred and twenty dollars. It was gifted to me Okay, so you should be okay, letting it sink to the bottom of the whatever, Sayville Harbor. But I think in this scenario we never would imagine. I think in that Titanic as well, they never would have imagined

that they would die. They never thought I would draw. I'm keeping my phone because it's waterproof, and that's that everything else can sin. Phones actually really aren't waterproof. And I learned that the hard way in Mexico City. I mean not Mexico City, in Mexico when I was there. Um, but I mean, I don't know what would weigh you down, all your skims, um my baggage, not my my metaphor emotional baggage, because I'd be like, okay, well if this

is I mean, this is a way out, So why not? Okay, okay? And this is great because you know Joel has already you know, laid the ground of the class warfare in Fire Islands. So we have that component of the Titanic allegory set for us. Um. Yeah, cool. So we're going to green light this, Yeah, we are going to I hope sell I don't know, free form. No, this podcast is coming to you from beyond the grave because we

will be dying in a boat wreck tomorrow. We have plans to off the coast of Fire Island and um, it's been nice knowing you. Yeah, I love. Next week we'll be back for a ribbon in conversation about pop culture. And when we say pop we mean literally soda soda called u pepsi seven up um. Yes, and we'll be talking about soda with Cola Scola, so you know. And the next week, drink your favorite soda or if you're not a soda person, drink some water and drink drink

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radio production. Our producers Phoebe Ter with support from Lindsay Hoffman. Julian Weller, Jess Crane, chich and Nikki Eatur. Okay, bye love you love, you mean it Bye. The way that you and I are gonna die is I'm going to be the mom and you're gonna be the kids. The mom who's like in the land of Tiering and Oak. Yeah, like blondie kids getting this life, but we're all going to drown together. Wouldn't it be funny if like that scene was actually her, like killing her kids with a pillow,

and then someone comes in. It's like, oh my god, the boat's not sinking. We fixed it. And she's like and it's like, don't, don't, don't do It's like carb your enthusiasm music m