Beyoncé Broke Out the Strap

Are happy to par we um? Yeah? Absolutely, Rose, thank you for indulging me in a full episode devoted to this album. I mean you probably wanted to do it anyway. Oh yeah, I knew we were going to talk about it and that it was going to be way too long for just the news segment. I did not think we were going to spend literally an hour going track by track through the album, but like, that's just how

good this album is. It warranted the discussion. So if you really want to get into it with our thoughts about the Beyonce album, and not just the songs themselves, but truly the way they were made, because this is an album that I really appreciate Beyonce, Like, let us into see what was going on behind the curtains with this one. Um, as much as she is willing to do that, Um, but we're going to dig into it because this is like a Virgin the show where we

give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose, Damn you and I'm fran Toronto Baby, come oh to night Rose. You know I I right before this recording, and I was in l a earlier and Taylor Swift she just took me over on her jet to make this record in time. It's so nice of her. Oh that's amazing. Well, she's actually coming back to l A later to pick me up so that we can go to Glendale. Yeah, we're flying. We're flying for actually not Glendale. We're flying

from my apartment to the Grove. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. It's a growth date for sure. She's going to take you to the Charlotte Tillbury store. Get you some lip cheat. Wait when we go to Disney later this month, because it is officially August by Taylor Swift, Um, we should get her to fly us to Anaheim. That would be so nice. That'd be so nice of her.

She's an ally, really, I mean, what else does she spend her days doing sites, taking her friends and family around on her private jet and you know, chipping away at our ozon for the Okay, if the Virgins aren't aware of this, Um, I was going to say, Joe, but these are cold hard facts that we're saying, cold hard facts. Um. Taylor Swift has been outed from a slightly unverified listical about the celebrities that have the most

carbon emissions based on their private jet usage. And Taylor and I want to say, I want to trace all this back to Kylie. We started talking about the fact that Kylie Jenner was taking these like ridiculous flights in her private jet, Like she was flying the distance of what would be like a twenty minute car ride in l A. And so because of this, this whole like meme started and it eventually got turned into a listical.

Turns out, the actual celebrity who is contributing the most to climate change because of you know, private jet usage is none other than than Taylor Allison Swift, Queen Ted. You know, it's so funny that like this is the one thing that kind of got her a little bit.

You know, I'm a swift e. We this is a Swifty podcast because I'm here, I was just gonna say I wouldn't say the one thing, I would maybe think about the years of silence she had around the Trump administration before finally saying that the President Trump was bad, which took her a very very long time to do. What I'm what I'm saying though, is that like she's kind of a very hard celebrity to come for publicly because her fan base is so rapid and will truly

destroy people. And I have said on this podcast and others that, and I know you've you've been attacked by them. Um, I was I was just going to say, also, I think because of the I think her team is really good at staying quiet. Yes, Tree pain never sleeps, Yes, um, if you know, you know, But I think people usually don't come for her in a large scale because they know that the Taylor Swift machine, which is both her

team and her fans, will destroy you. And especially like over the last year, she's very much been you know, in control of her narrative with you know, Taylor's version and rereleasing all of her music, and everyone's very much on her side, and so it was really any to see all these memes coming out and like this is really not something that her stands can defend her. No, it's so damning and so universally frowned down upon by

most people in the world. I think the difference is that it's not about her being mad that some joke was said in a Netflix show or like, you know, it's not about drama petty ship. She addresses things only when it benefits her. Yeah, only when it benefits her, or only when she's in some like really petty shit. Um that is like so interpersonal and esoteric and like not important. It's important is something like the climate crisis or a Trump presidency um or row view wade um.

But I feel like it's honestly reaching a point rose where it feels like it might need to be addressed. Because if that article is true and I were a celebrity, even if you're someone is huge as Taylor Swift, you would be releasing a press statement that's like we are radically changing our relationship to private jets and like blah blah blah, you know what I mean, Like there was a statement made by someone from her team, No way

was hold on it. I'm pulling it up now. Um. Spokesperson says that, um, the jet is loaned out regularly to other individuals. To attribute most of all of these trips to her is blatantly incorrect. So oh, so that is her addressing it that that's it. I think that's all we're going to get. Like it's not um, it's not a good rebuttal saying it's not me taking all those trips. It's just my jet. It's just my personal jet. Like like it's just so dumb, you know, swift ease.

I'm one of you. I love Taylor, but like you have to accept it. When we have to eat the rich, she is one of the ones who needs to be eaten. And I'm sure she's gonna taste great. No, no, no, she's gonna taste bad. She's gonna taste like uncooked chicken, no, ma'am. Anyways, anyways, anyways, speaking of no nope, let's talk about Jordan's Peel's nope, which you fly? Um? Okay? At it all. So I'm you know, I gave like a little bit of my thoughts last week, but now we can talk about it

and we can talk spoilers. Okay. I have to say that this was kind of a a nothing movie. It was really beautiful, It was really engaging. I thought it was really masterful, and the performances were obviously great. Kiki is everything, and there's so many components of like Jordan Peel's vision as a director and a writer that are so inspired to watch. But like just a whirl of missed opportunities and ultimately like pretty. I wouldn't go as far to say that it was boring. What do you

think the are the missed opportunity? But it was very static. Okay, So first of all, let's talk about the fact that the Okay, so for the versions that don't know, the gist of this movie is Kekeep Palmer and our brother Daniel Kelia are basically horse trainers that lend their horses to you know, film sets and commercials and stuff like that. They've been in this business for a very long time,

and the weird things keep happening around their ranch. That they very quickly discover is an alien spaceship unit monster monster thing that is basically you know, um camping out behind a cloud outside their ranch. And also the serving members of their town. Sure, and also and also I mean it should be said their father was killed mysteriously six months prior. At the same time, a new attraction has opened near them, which is owned by a former child star who has you know, this backstory and has

past about an animal attack. On the set of the sitcom, you worked on a backstory that had no loop around. That's actually that's actually not true. But I want to hear more still about what you think about the opportunities top line, the missed opportunities are one. I felt like Kiki and Daniel were separately amazing, but I do not

think that they're dynamic. Made the movie more interesting, like the relationship was very real to me, but like Daniel's portrayal of the character is so unfazed and so stoic around most things occurring around him, which made his character more real TVH. But it also made the emotional response for me to be very like static, Like I didn't I didn't feel as excited as when Kiki was on screen, and I felt that the relationship was a little bit of a of a I don't know, it was a

little one note um. But I also felt like, I mean, we have to talk about the fact that the alien was basically an Iris van Herbin down like so not scary and so like I mean, it was beautiful, it was, but it was so not It was not scary, it was not thrilling, and there was a lot of tension. Yes, I thought there was a lot of tension, but I felt like just it was a long I don't even know how long the movie was. It was it was. It was a lot of movie to go through with

not a ton of action. Nope, could have been a short film, like it could have been an episode of the Time. I don't know about a short film, but it could have been an hour and a half and I think it could have been at it could have been I think an episode of the Light. It could have been an hour and a half, and it could have been one hour and and gotten its point across

and been maybe more effective. And I feel like when all the action did happen, that was like when I was most engaged, but it was ultimately anti climactic, and I felt like there had there should have been more thrills and chills leading up to that big moment of action that I'm talking about. What about you? What would I agree that it was slow? As I said last week,

think this is a very thoughtful movie. And do you see what I mean now about I think like if you're talking about sci fi, it's more like Arrival than it is like Independence Day. I mean, this is not a horror. This is a psychological thriller, and that's okay.

I also I think I also think so this is kind of what where I want to push back about like the movie not having like some of the things in the movie not making sense, or like not going anywhere, because I actually think I was very confused on the first watch of this movie about like what was the point of the scene with the orangutan, and like why do we keep going back to that? And you know, like the more was like the more of at with it.

Like I really think that even more than like an alien movie or an action movie, this is a monster movie because it's very much about you know, like they think this thing is a UFO and it turns out it's actually an alien or like a monster, or when you really break it down to its core, it's an animal.

They spend a lot of the time once they're like once they figured out that it eats people talking about it like a wild animal, Which is why I think it it's really important to note that they are horse trainers, and that's why I think you get the opening bit with the orangutan that like was meant to be part of the sitcom and like everyone thought everything was fine and hunky dory, and then the animals snapped and killed people.

And I think a lot of what this movie is talking about is like, obviously there's a lot to be said about like surveillance culture and celebrity. These people are really obsessed with getting the shot and how that will change their lives. Um, you know, we have a former child star who can't let go of that fame and

like essentially rents his trauma out to people. And then you have this idea of these animals, you know, the orangutan, the horses, the alien that can't be tame, and that humans are continually learning this lesson by trying to tame them, specifically in the context of creating entertainment. So to that is to me why it really is like a monster movie.

And yeah, I think there's just something about you know, like these are beasts, these are wild beasts, and even like all the stuff where they're like you can't look directly in the eyes, and I think like that is why it makes so much sense that you have this sort of like cowboy motif going on through the whole thing, and why there's so much iconography taken from like westerns, and it's it's very much not the movie that it sells itself as, which I think is like a lot

of where the disconnect comes from. But having sat for it with over a week now, I really like it a lot more than I did when I initially saw it, and like, I'm not dying to see it again anytime soon, but I think I would watch it again at some point in the future, and like, having having kind of figured out I think at least some of the things that it's trying to say, or like at least nod towards, I think it would be interesting to watch the movie again through that lens. Yeah, I you know now that

you're painting this through line. For me, I think I see that a lot more like the kind of domestication of the natural world and what it has to do

with capitalism and exploitation. Like I feel like that makes a lot of sense as a reading for the film, And I also think like both can be true that people have a tendency to over interpret Jordan Peel's movies, like I've seen some really reaching, reaching interpretations of Us, which I think is a really cryptic film, a film that you know, begs, begs, begs you to make meaning out of it um And at the same time, like Jordan Peel is really just a brilliant kind of stoner

and a lot of these things that a lot of the things that he puts in his films could really very well just be random or figments of his imagination, you know. I do think Jordan Peele is excellent at making films that have these two layers to them, which is one is like just a really fun, sometimes scarying, you know, thriller film, and then the other level is making movies that have like something very meaningful to say

about our world. And the kind of spectrum that we like grade his films on, or at least like the spectrum of which I enjoy them, is whether they lean too far in one thing or too far on the other thing, or if they're able to perfectly marry them like I think Get Out perfectly marries those things. This I think maybe leans a little too hard on trying to like say something and forgets sometimes to be a

really engage thriller. Yeah, and you know, I enjoyed myself a ton and I, you know, think it's amazing that we have a filmmaker, a new filmmaker, making original films that are doing good at the box office and become required viewing like that is something that we can't really say about a lot of directors making work right now. And um, a lot of our tours that you know

are in that belong you know, in his league. And I I think my thing is, like I think, honestly thinking about these the three films is really interesting to me because get Out obviously is like the most crystal clear, like there's like there's no I mean, there are very very different routes to interpret the film, but there's one crystal clear message that I think came at the perfect

time culturally where it was not too hamfisted. I mean, it is ham fisted, but too too excellent to excellent execution, I think. And but it also was horrific in a lot of ways. And I thought us, at least to me and my threshold was almost scarier, definitely more horrific in some ways, even if less of an engaging movie. And then Nope, is like something that's way more tame. And it may be intentionally tame, but I think because there were some tames exactly. And I think that because

like the the scary, there wasn't really any scary. Honestly, the scariest moment was when he was in the barn and those little kids were wearing those alien masks. Yeah, that was that was the only time I jumped. That was that was the scariest moment to me. Um, but like it was a total fake out and um, I just talked about the himbo. Oh my god, I wanted to stock him. Oh but have you watched any of the interviews with him. He's like really into God, constantly

thanking God and Jesus. Oh that's kind of honestly, Oh my god. Can we talk about his scene partner, Barbie Ferriarra having her little cameo. Why does she only have like one or two lines? She's st am I like, in such an a silo that she's an actress. She's not that famous. I think she's she's not that. You're just you're just warped by euphoria. Like that's actually no, but like that actually for someone at her level having two lines in a Jordan Peel movie is a great

gig for her. It's true, it's true. It's true that that's none of the other Euphoria girls had two lines in a Jordan Peel movie. But she deserved. She's she's doing just what I mean, she's doing just She's doing just fie she gets to say she was a Nope. Another I did see another movie this week that I think you would enjoy. I'm already nervous. It's called Mrs Harris Goes to Paris. The girls are tweeting about this, and by the girls, I mean just you and and

no one else. Yeah, it's very like it's when I when I said I saw it, my mom was like, I want to see that. It's very that kind of movie. Vum. It's such a feel good movie. You would love it. It's a movie that it was adapted from a book.

It's about this um cleaner in postwar London who decides that she just really wants a do your gown because she has a very like sad little life, and so she like comes into some money and goes to Paris and goes to do your And it's like, I'm getting a fucking do your gown and of course everyone's like you're poor, like you don't deserve what And Isabella who pairs like in it, and she's like, fuck you Mrs Harris.

But you know it's like everyone's like, but we have to get Mrs Harris her gown, um, and like spoiler alert, like she gets the gown and then she also gets another gown. I mean, I'm probably not going to see it, but your description is wonderful. It's so charming. The fashion is wonderful. Literally none of it was shot in Paris, and you to tell it's giving a little sound stages, it's giving a little best exotic Mary gold will know.

When I told Ryan that I loved it, he was like, yeah, it's very Mrs Pettigrew Lives Through a Day which I had which I had never seen and watched last night and so good we should be. Alternate titles include Mrs Harris Slays for Mrs Harris Lives for the Sleigh, Mrs Harris Serves Hunt for a Day. Um. If you've never seen it, It's a two thousand eight film starring Franstance McDorman and Amy Adams and a young Lee Pace and

It's incredible. It's like an hour and a half. It's like, so good boy Island, My god, what we what do we even? Okay, we're going to get into spoilers this time. You wouldn't let me talk spoilers last week, but like we just need to get into it. Like you're either

watching Island or you're stupid. Um okay. I thought for a moment, with the cliffhanger that came before the first the two episodes that came up this week, I kind of thought it was going to be a bait and switch and that Peter was going to be a nice guy, but like, no, obviously he's And the way Mia crumbled when she found out all her matches were f boys, she is incredible. She's such a great reality reality TV.

But I think it's so interesting that with the format of the show, that they couldn't just be like, well, Mia, why don't you take one of the other guys, like one of the other nice guys, like maybe one of them is like horny for you. But Nope, that's not allowed within the confines of how this show works. Honestly, even if they were allowed to like go for a nice guy, I'm not really sure they would these girls. That many girls left in this pool, and I'm like,

I can't believe Mercedes is still there. I know it's for good TV, but like the fact that he was shipping his brains out during the elimination so funny. Oh my god, I can't believe that he still stayed regardless such he's so obviously a horrible person. And I thought it was very interesting that they that they had one of the guys tell Tamaris about him being evil, but she never told Louise. But all I wonder if she did and we just didn't see it, because when when

Louise saved Mercedes, she apologized to Tamaris. So I wonder if did in fact warn her and we just didn't see it. She might have, it seems I mean, I'm sure they talk. It feels like it was something that Tamaris wanted to like handle on her own, which I kind of love about her, Like she really likes she's She's really like, let me get these guys together, you know what I mean, Like I'm still Team Danny. It's so disgusting. It's just it's disgusting, and yet and yet

I'm here. Yeah, I just don't get it. It's like he only shops at Ari Pistal, all those fucking World shirts. I can't he's gross. I actually think they're all gross. I don't. Actually I thought Sante it was kind of hot. I came around to him a little. By the end, Sante was Cuba born. I'm very excited for the for the man splain that that's going to happen. I can't believe it's almost over. I wish there were sixty episodes.

I wish the show had three seasons a year, like The Bachelor, Like why are we not getting at seven? I want to be able to, like I want to be able to like watch live streams of the house like Big Brother. Yeah, I honestly I wanted to be like like Love Island, where it's like forty episodes long or whatever, and like I can barely get up. I'm like just laying in my bed holding in my piss as I like finished like episode nine of this show that I've sat in for like you know, sat watching

for hours. I piss And sometimes because I don't want to get up because I'm watching, I don't want to, like sometimes the DV is d being I want to know what I mean, like we'll we'll do a track by track breakdown. But okay, where were you when you listen to the album for the first time, and what were your kind of first thoughts? I um decided to not wait until midnight. I was no, no, no, no, I would never I would never do that to my mother. I listened to a leak of Break my Soul only

a few only like a few hours before it dropped. Okay, um, And for this one, I did not listen to the league. I was a good girl, and I decided to wake up the next morning and get stoned, which I have maybe I waited. I've only waked and baked maybe two or three times in my entire life, and this was the second or third time. And I decided to just lay in my bad and listened to it with my headphones on because I knew I wanted to hear the details of what I was listening to. And obviously we're

gonna get into it. But like girl, I was crying by the end of the first song. And I don't think it was even like one shed a single tear. I should say I shouldn't see crying. I should say I shed a tear and and it was an emotional overload of feeling like we had waited so long for

an album that starts like this. It reminded me a lot of when I listened to Adele's most recent album and the overture that is, you know, that first song and how she sets the tone for something that is going to be completely different and unexpected, and um, I don't know, I like, you know, top line, feel like I never in my life would have seen Beyonce a music that was like this faggotty like this like ballroom

house like disco kind of fag and music. Well, but that's the thing, is like, And on this podcast we've talked about this, the distinction between being gay and being a fagot. And Beyonce has made a lot of gay music, okay, like single Ladies is pretty gay like and there are a lot of things in her discography that are pretty gay and pretty on the nose when it comes to

like what community they're catering to. But like when I felt how fag goody this was, and how you know, I think it's even like post fagot I actually think this is I think this is Dike Beyonce music yeah, it was kind of giving that it was transcendent. Broke out the strap for this one. Yes, she really did. And like I'm I keep getting tempted to go into like track analyzes, but like, what were your top line? Impressure so here. I also did not listen to the leak.

I was a good girl, um and most not because I like have any moral, you know, qualms with it, but I just I wanted to listen to this album in a way that was easy, and it was the easiest to you know, at nine pm on Thursday night, say, you know, like Alexa play Well, I'm not gonna say it because she's gonna fucking start um. Oh my god, she does. Um. So I listened to it. I did not listen to it kind of as actively as you did.

Like there were some songs I did, but I let myself kind of experience it and like go in and out, Like I didn't really look at my phone, but I was like dancing around my apartment. I did not have any kind of emotional reaction to it. I think, actually, this is making me think in somewhat of a deeper way. I don't know that I that music does that to me, Like I certainly love music, and there are songs that are very important to me, but I'm much more likely to cry like a movie or TV show or a

book that I am to a song. But I really like this album. I think it's very fun. I like that it is pretty much bobs and bangers only, and that she said, and I think that makes sense. I don't think she could have done that if she hadn't announced that this was part of a three act project, because I would imagine that one of the other albums is going to be something a little more emotional and little more bality. I like that she was like for this album, for Renaissance, this is the vibe it is.

We're having fun, it's the summer. We got our tits out, We're sucking dick, we are popping off. And when you say sucking dick, like with no discretion, like actually sucking sucking dick and cock, we're eating ass, We're eating pussy, we are licking nipples and titties. Um we are. This

is a slutty This is a slutty horny album. Beyonce is is horny just so interesting because I do think she's only ever had sex with Jay z Well we'll talk about um just you know this this album in in comparison to her the rest of her body of work, but like that is definitely a body reservation and her body Yadi Audia of work. We knew it was going to be a house album, at least through the Whisper network. I think we all knew that it was going to

be a three part project. And it should also be said that we were recording this on Monday of the week, and so I feel like they're going to be visuals that will be dropped between now and maybe when this is I don't know. I still I still am a little shook that we got no visuals. But I also think like, just like Beyonce decided I'm not doing a surprise drop, she also decided I'm not doing the kind of visual output I've been doing for all my other albums, Like, yes,

I would love to get a video. When when I said to Ryan, like, I really need a music video, he was like, I think she's just like really wants to make it about the music. She's edging. No, she's edging us. We're getting visuals. There's so many stills and so many photos setups that are floating around of her like and that amazing like gold kind of layered LeMay piece that was like I think an homage to Pepper

Labisia question Mark, Like her references are really good. Um and I want to almost like don't want to give give this too much credence. But but someone said, Beyonce watch pose and made this album and like as much of it, as much as ann iral as that is, I don't think it's untrue. I think it's a it's

a flattening. I mean, Beyonce is that basic. Let's be clear, Like at the end of the day, if you've ever watched an interview with her, like she's a delight a delightfully like the middle of the road girl who is

also the greatest living performer of our generation. I would claim, Um, And I think that she is always on trend and and that is you know, I think her greatest strength and times a weakness, because it does render her sometimes a little a little corny or a little like, you know, try hard, and but I think that that's what makes I would say that this album is a little late when you think about it, like maybe a little bit a little bit it doesn't it's but it's fine because

she does the thing so well that it doesn't know well and and it's also just such a beyond say album, Like I would say, you know, before we like as we're getting into the track by track, like, I came away from the album being like, damn, I wish that some of these songs went harder. I wish that the entire album was disco house. Um. We get these little breaks that you know, don't have the don't have as that that like kind of thumpy club basse um that

I kind of wished was in every song. But then after finishing it for the first time, I was like, you know, if it really was that cohesive, it wouldn't be a Beyonce. I wouldn't. And I also loved it that so many of the songs start as one thing and end of another. So it's so cool. Okay, let's let's start our our dissection. So let's get into so number one I'm that Girl. I mean, which is she

is that girl? I'm that girl? As I said, I was weeping when like this song kind of reached its middle point because lyrically gorgeous, vibe wise, totally resonant, and like I think a perfect like overture esque like anthem to what we are preparing ourselves to be really puts you in the right And Beyonce is an album artist, and the song is saying in case you, in case it wasn't clear, this is an album. It's very much like your first drink of the night, You're like getting

into it. It reminded me of when I first listened to a last album, like laying in the bathtub and like turning it on and having a very intentional listen with it. And and that first Adele song takes a sharp turn that sonically is so different from Adele's usual sound, and in my head, I was like, oh my god, this album is going to be so different. And I think with this one, I I just got this. I

got that same kind of emotional anticipation. I was like, this album is gonna be so fucking different, and you know, we already knew that. But like girl, when it went to Cozy, like we knew it. I really like Cozy. I remember thinking on my first listen that the lyrics were a little cheesy, and I do think that's something that happens a couple of times on this album. Is like despite the fact that there's like twelve people credited as writers on every song. Sometimes the lyrics are a

little cheesy, and that's I think that's just a Beyonce thing. Well, Beyonce is also credited as a writer, I believe on every song she's ever performed, or if not a or a producer, but she is credited on every single song.

And that is completely intentional. And like, I really it's a big mystery as to how much writing quote unquote she actually does, but she has before an interview, has talked about songwriting and writing and so I always wonder what's her and what's like her other people, and what's her writing process works someone else's release your wiggle and Beyonce goes. I think that's a perfect encapsulation of Beyonce's

writing contributions on her music. You know, it's her being like yeah, But the thing is, you know about like Beyonce's kind of corny nous or rather that's my term. Beyonce is like corny nous on some of these songs.

Like I didn't experience that until Church Girl, which we'll get into, but like I actually lyrically really loved Cozy and the kind of ethos of the song, which is about being comfortable in your own skin, expressing yourself, and like, I think the through line in the album that's really crystal clear by this song is is about sex and connection but also about you know, queerness and about being yourself.

And like to use a t S. Madison, you know clip in this which was I thought used so like I thought it was She's I mean, I loved her tweet that was like my voice is iconic, and I

was like, the voice is it is iconic. And I think for Beyonce to recognize that and to make a song about being comfortable and you're, you know, with yourself and still talking about God somehow because it's to talk about God rolls over so perfectly into Alien Superstar because it's like, Okay, we're done being comfortable with being weirdos. Now we're going to be freaks and we're gonna love

exactly hot. Something that I love about Alien Superstar and why it's one of the one of my favorite trucks on the album is that it becomes towards the end like much more like impressionistic and like the words are are like it's more of like this wall of sound and Beyonce. It's just kind of like saying weird ship and like she's being a fucking alien, and like, I mean, I do think this is one of the tracks on the album that is like most obviously taking inspiration from

ballroom culture and from queer culture. Alien Superstar is I knew, like just seeing the title when the track list was released, that this was going to be one of the ones to watch, and it is definitely one of my favorites on the album. And it's like when I was doing my first listen, it's the first time that I really got up and started dancing. Yeah, I mean I I was dancing by cozy or at least like in my kind of groove. I felt like Alien Superstar. The b is so good. I mean, we just have to talk

about the Honey songs in general. Honey to Gen really eight and you can hear her influence on this music and it I've never looked at the song credits while I was listening to music the way that I have while listening to this album because same, and that I think is really cool. I liked that you can hear the influence of the people that Beyonce brought in to work with her, I mean, which is kind of interesting when we'll talk about the calisse of it all later.

But if you know Honey Dejon, if you know her music, if you if you've ever listened to her DJ, you can't listen to this song and not know that this is a Honey track. Yeah, exactly, I honestly so. I saw on Instagram that Honey maybe did an edit of Pure Honey um, which is in my opinion, the queerest song on the album. But like she her, she wasn't credited for Pure Honey, but like I was like, oh my god, I wonder if she, you know, started to

do something for it. And there's like a Honey de Gen version of Pure Honey out there somewhere that I can listen to because girl Honey's version. Yeah, but like you know, to go back to the Honey de Gen of it all, Like I, you know, these were my favorite songs on the album, and I think that kind of the venus was something that just I haven't heard this from Beyonce before the succession of Cozy and Alien Superstar in and of themselves were so far set apart

from the rest of her body of work. Like I don't think there's anything else in her discography that does what those songs do. But like I mean, I loved the Kim Cooper like unique, like kind of moment on it. Like I love um the ballroom references, even though I mean that it's a little corny the category um it's but as she said, corny, Beyonce is corny, and that's when she thrives. And and then you go to Cuffet, which like in a lot of ways is a very

kind of traditional Beyonce song. Like as we said, like it is, it is definitely in the legacy of a song like blow Um. It's not one of my favorites on the album, but like I like it. It's a good transition between two of the weirder songs on the album with Cozy and Alien Superstar. I immediately taken, but also like a little nervous because I was, like, what

is Beyonce taking on? She is doing a genre that is completely outside of I wasn't going to say outside her wheelhouse, because she can do any genres she wants and is qualified to do so. But like, like she could release a fucking SKA album and we would gobble that up. You know what I mean, But like Cufft is when I was like, oh, this is a beat, like this is Beyonce, Like this is funk, this is

Soul's a very comfortable place for her to be. And you know, I think it's like just very funny that and a great dichotomy that Beyonce can make what I what we were calling like Faggett Fagett music and still have the album ultimately be about Um, her relationship that she has been in a relationship, a relationship she's been in since she was like sixteen or whatever, and like Kuffett is one of those songs that's like a love letter.

And then we go into Energy, which you know, I Energy is one of my favors on the album, and I think it's, like I really liked, after what we had gotten so far, the acknowledgement that she's still um interested in the music that she was making on the Gift and like everything she did with Black is King, Because I think Energy is the song to me that sounds the most like those albums with the very like afrobeat of it, and it's so like dissonant in a way and like and like kind of not hard to

listen to, but like a little challenging. It's It's one of the songs in the album that made me like listen actively, um and like it's something that I think a lot of people would not think of as like club music, but like I have heard music like this and like very dark clubs and very dark moments, and like, I think this song is so sexy. Yeah, and not to mention the transitions in these first six songs, especially to energy and especially for energy to Break my Soul,

I love it. I think break my Soul makes I like break my Soul. I I already love to Break my Soul, but in the in context, knowing its place in the album, it just made it made me like it's so much more because I think the transition. I think this this three song cycle of energy and to Break My Soul into Church Girl is perfect. Absolutely. I

totally totally agree. And I feel like, um, Her, you know, to go back to your point about Black is King and that album that I also loved, like, I feel like you know what she was doing what she I feel like she gets a lot of flak um for homogenizing art, um for taking art from other artists and putting it all under her name, and um, you know, obviously there are a lot of nuances to that that can be had on another podcast, but I just have to remind people all that that's what almost every music

artist does. And to the point that you were making earlier, like something that's really beautiful about this project specifically, and I didn't really think about it until you said it, is that like, as a fandom, we are consuming credit lines, and there were like over a thousand credits on this album, like and and for Beyonce to kind of put them all in context and to tweet them out and to say like, like, these are the people that as I'm the combined effort of all of these people I take

inspiration from, and I am in a legacy of black art and queer art. Um, well, it's like she's it's like she's citing. She's citing her her research. You know, she's like here, here's it's it's like post receipts. It's like it's like, here's her this, she wrote her thesis,

and here's everything she's referencing. Yes, baby exactly, and like kind of me, I think, I mean, Gaga did this in a slightly different way, but when Chromatica came out, like she did that playlist that was like welcome to Chromatica. That was like, here's all of the music that this album is is in a legacy of and it's in conversation with and um I love that playlist disappeared so

it still exists. I think Beyonce a step further and was like, Okay, I'm going to hire all the people who made that music and are currently making that music and make songs with them because Beyonce just is able to do all this on a scale that no other

artists can. When she gets accused of stealing or appropriating music or whatever, I just think I mean, I think it comes from obviously because she's a black woman, but also becau has she way back in her like four album era, like gotten to a few different issues where like she was making music videos or giving performances that were very clear rips from other artists, um, without crediting. And I think that too for her to come to write here and to be like this is where all

the credit these, this is where credit is due. Um. You know, that is like what every artist should and Beyonce at the end of the day, on top of being the greatest performer of a generation is also a curator, you know, and her team our curators, and they're good curators in my opinion. I mean, since we're talking about this conversation and like we we are talking about what I think is this like tree out of songs which includes energy, Like I do think it's a good time

to bring up the Calice of it all. So I said she credited everyone except yeah, if you don't know, you know, they're like you you met. You might have seen headlines about this like drama between Beyonce and Calice, and it's our really more complicated that and the drama is really not um, it's not drama um. And it's not even between Beyonce and Kalie directly. So energy samples milkshake. I mean I would never have clocked it, by the way, would you? Yeah? I mean I definitely. I don't think

like I clocked. I think I knew it was coming because like the Kalie stuff broke that day, so like I was prepared for it. And you know, Kalise has spoken out about it, and the thing is like she's what what the issue is is not that Beyonce used her music and didn't credit her. The issue is that Kalise, and this has been something that Calie has talked about for a long time. Kalise was fucked out of the

publishing rights for Milkshake by Farrell. This is something that she's talked about at length, that other artists have talked about with Farrell. And so when this when Milkshake is used in Beyonce's album, Calise gets nothing from that, and so I think her problem was twofold. Her problem was that she never got any sort of like acknowledgement from Beyonce that she was that her record was being used

on this album. And then she also again is being fucked over by this man from money from this iconic song that she made. And Calice's impact on music cannot be overstated. Calice Plice is iconic, and it fucking sucks that she got a shitty deal at the start of her career and a song that is as indelible as Milkshake makes her no money. That fucking sucks. Yeah, I I think it sex to um. I think that if

I'm okay. So here's the thing. It feels all in all like a bureaucratic error on Parkwoods and on the on the side of Parkwood's camp, and I feel like there's no world we're in. Beyonce would not like worship an artist like Police, like understands. I'm sure they're her, but and so I just I don't understand. I think that here's that the thing for me is like I um or rather not that I don't understand. I understand it just as clearly as you've laid it out for

the Virgins. But what I I just feel like you can be messy online and you can be mad about the things that are stolen from you. I have had work from stolen from me, and I've decided not to say anything because talking about it publicly makes me look messy too. You know what I feel like? What I feel like Police shouldn't have. I just feel like if I was her, I would not release a statement like

the in the first hours of the album dropping. I would go out to Parkwood first and then get mad if I was not responding to actually disagree, because I think that what Plice is doing is very smart, because she's using the promotional engine of this the album for her own gain. Because I don't think what Calice really wants is like acknowledgement from Beyonce, which I'm sure has

already had. Beyonce has sent her an edible arrangement. I'm sure, I'm even sure that some money has or will change hands. What Calice is doing very smartly, I think, is knowing that this album is the biggest thing happening in pop culture now, and by bringing this up, by turning it into drama that people can write about, she is reminding everyone of this really fucked up thing that happened to her and that happens to artists and especially female artists

and especially black artists all the time. And she is using this album cycle and all the eyes on it to remind people, hey, I got sucked over and this isn't right. And maybe because of that, who knows what will happen, like outside of the Beyonce of it all, maybe Farrell will finally like get her some publishing rights back. Maybe this will start some kind of change for her

and for the industry at large. I think she was very calculated and how she and how she brought this up, and if you watch the whole video that she made, she is really smart and she addresses this is all in a way that is really easy for people to understand, and I just don't. It does not feel thoughtless or

heated to me. She knew exactly what she was doing. Okay, so the girls need to know that, because I feel like the way that people are talking about it on social is misogynists, like they're pitting the two of them against each other in a way that doesn't sound true at all. And like you to Chalice and her saying sure, if you talked to Beyonce, Beyonce would be like, fuck yes, I respect Chalice. Fuck yes. I know the impact she's on the kind of music I make and on the

kind of artist I am. Yeah, but you know, it's like it's a sample that I can can barely hear, just crazy and I am honestly. Same thing with um Alien Superstar. I had no idea that that was I'm Too Sexy? Did you know? Yeah, it's so I think. I think it's so obvious. I never would have guessed, but I loved it because I think I'm Too Sexy is like kind of a bad song, but like they found, I felt like it was, you know, so gorgeously rendered.

And same thing with the milkshake sample, like it sounds incredible, and I love how the samples cross album are like really chopped up, you know what I mean, M speaking of being too sexy. Um, two very sexy songs with different vibes are church Girl and Plastic Off the Sofa. Church Girl is like so overtly sexy and you know about like you know, kind of it's always it's always the ones you like least expect um. And then Plastic Off the Sofa is like very sexy. But I also

think it's the closest thing to a ballad on this album. Um, and it's it's like perfectly sets up Virgoscrew because it kind of like lows you. It's was like it gives you a little bit of a break, um right before you know the album is really like about to fucking smack you in the face with a pair of titties. When I first listened to church Girl, because it is exactly that, I did feel kind of smacked in the face.

And it was the first song that I I was gonna say, didn't like, but it was the first song that I had a negative reaction to, and only upon going back to it and listening to it in different ways, like listening to it not on my headphones and in

a sound system is like, I think, a completely different experience. Um. But like Churchgirll was the first song where I listened to lyrics and I like I had a little cringe moment, but like it now has like looped around and become one of my more favorite songs on the album because

it kind of goes so hard. Um, I I think you know this song church Girl is like a great emblem for the fact that Beyonce will always be weird and she'll always try really hard, and you know, sometimes her lyrics are a little but like we still kind of love her for that. Um, I can see yeah a little bit and like I don't know when she said you cad me my daddy, I just I still I still do this moment Like Beyonce, I can tell me anything, like I will always chew it up, but

like it's just I still don't It's fine. It's a lot of work to make jay Z seem hot. Well. Well, here's the thing though, is like kind of her entire music career is like trying to make jay Zz not and like jay Z is in a lot of songs to her in past albums, like daddy to her, you know what I mean. But then sometimes Beyonce is daddy, which I also love, like with a song like Upgrade you um or a lot of Lemonade, like and I

think that you know mommy on this album. Finally, I think to say, I think in some songs she is mommy, you know. And I like that. It's especially church Girl in Plastic off the Off the Sofa, I think your big, big mommy milkers vibes Plastic Plastic off the Sofa brought me back into my fields. I you know, I I rolled my eyes a little bit because I was like, oh, Beyonce always has a song like this on the album. Right with Lemonade, it was sand Castles or is the

sand Castle the castle? Yes? I love sand love sand castles, um I on the on the Lion King album, she had um that song on the other Side, which I also love, and like this is like you know Exo, the it's it's a little ex so it's exo. Exo goes a little a little dancier, but like um or maybe it's the Maybe it's the Heaven. Maybe Heaven is the Plastic off the Sofa on on self titled Oh heaven. Wow,

that's I mean, we're going deep today. I mean, I feel like my my one thing something that I appreciated about this song is that I think it has the fewest credits on it and and it was I think that the simplicity of just having sid from the internet, which is an amazing I like, I will not you

know it's so funny. Is No, I don't. I don't know a single friend of mine that like sand Castles, like I don't give an I don't give about what I do think is definitely one of my favorite songs, if not my favorite song, and I think one of the best songs in the album. Virgos Groove Virgos Group. Virgos Groove is the cultural reset. Virgos Groove is Minions Rise of grou Virgos Virgos Groove, not Manions Rise. Virgos Groove is snorting a line of coke off someone's dick

or someone's argos grow Virgo Virgos Groove. I think it's like when you've been fucking for like an hour and it's like that point where it's like we gotta do some drugs. Yeah. No, I think it's at the point where like it's really good, You're really vibe. Um Virgos group is so sexy. It's so seventies. It's the production is immaculate and so surprising, Like I think the the lyrics always come in at a time when I'm like

not really expecting them. It's like, I think, the most traditionally melodic song on the album and yet still manages to surprise you and be unexpected. It's so fun to dance too. I was at La LA's the other night and we were like putting on wigs and listening to the album, and this song came on and it was just so fun and vibe. It's hot. It made me, it made me want to fuck I it's so horny, it's so Beyonce, but it's also so disco. The production

is gorgine. We have to shout out. The transition from plastics, so plastic off the sofa to Virgos groove is goose bumpy, Like it's so good, and I love like the art of transitions between songs, like in the era of streaming, like this song made me change my Spotify settings that I could hear the end and the transition of every song, like this is an album and is meant to be listened to that way. I have not listened to this album on shuffle yet and I don't know that I will. No,

it should never be listened to on shuffle. That would be like blasphemous. But like to your point about you know, dance music and how this the vibe that this has, like it just it's the first song where I was like, this is Studio fifty four, Like this is like like I mean, honestly, that's like one of her references right, like her her on the horse on this album cover is like Bianca Jagger like riding into a student fifty four and like also I guess like Lady or whatever

and an American horror story. No, not that um but honestly, actually like the intersection of like Lady Godiva and Bianca Jaggart Studio fifty four and also Ketamine. Listen, the Horse really works as like Tranquilizer Summer. Yeah it's a horse Tranquilizers Summer. I love how long it is. I wish it was longer, but I like how it changes at the end and then right before the song ends, it brings that like melodic refrain back, so you get it.

One more time before you move on to Move featuring featuring Grace Jones not honestly, not one of my favorites on the album. And I also think like Grace is a little underused. Okay, that is the take. I was

angry on my Instagram story about this. If you have Grace motherfucking Jones, a woman who has on the record said many many times that she will never collaborate with major pop artists, that she will never be like it has been a long time coming for any Grace Jones collab to happen in buy with contemporary artists like she is vehemently against it. So if you get Grace motherfucking Jones, one of the idols of this era of music, like, you better give her a proper feature and like she

sounds so elegant, so queenly. I love that Beyonce. I've seen videos of her, of her live dancing naked with the body. I saw her live at a couple of years ago she did afro punk and it was so good. She's still honestly, it's so incredible. This song is a song that my prediction is that she's going to release a visual album for this, and I think she has a music video for every song, and I think that the smallness of Grace's feature is maybe because she has

a bigger part in the music video itself. That's my my hopeful prediction. I would love to see it. I would love to see it. Move is actually one of the songs that I love. Like it's funny, it's an immediate catchphrase. It's like when you're when you're walking down the street listening to this song and moving past New York pedestrians, like I'm like, how many times I'm gonna

say it? Girl? Like it's it's a stupid Like moments like that, I feel like I'm like I'm actually in for how stupid and silly or like kind of um not even stupid, Like it's it's flipping like this song like discards you and I need to spend That's one of those songs I need to spend a little more time with. Um. I think that for me, the moment is when great like right in the middle of Grace's feature, Beyonce like just barely she whispers Grace Grace Joe like yeah, and I and I but I love that, like to

have Beyonce say introducing Grace motherfucking Jones. Like that's iconic, and I you know, I wish it was a true feature. I love that Thames is on this album like twice, and that you know, they're all properly featured, but like I was also kind of I don't know if you noticed this, but they they weren't originally credited on the album.

It used to be just only the track list, or at least when it dropped on Spotify for me, it was only the track list, and then a day later, Grace Jones and Thames appeared as parentheticals to these the track list um, which I wondered what that was all about. But I mean I had never yeah, just a little bit, because there's one woman you're not going to cross this Grace mother. Well, I'm very happy we didn't see Heated featuring Drake because I Heated is one of my favorite

songs in the them. It was so it was Drake did some work on it. We don't know the extent of it, if it was just like writing or producing. You can definitely hear him on it. Um and this song did make me want to go back and listen to his most recent album more Um, and I think he did is so good again, like a song that kind of flips halfway through. I love the end of it when it's kind of like that rapid fire like dialogue. Um, this is I love Heated. It's so good. He did

as also one of my favorite songs. It is definitely the song that I can't stop like saying parts of it, like to myself. Um, I will say, you know, I thought a lot bum bum bum bum Wait. No, okay, we will get to that. But to talk about the drink of it all, like, we haven't seen a Drake Beyonce collab since um Mine, Oh my god Mine is so fucking good, and the songs are definitely in conversation with each other. Um and I just girl, I mean, okay,

we have to, we have to. So here's a moment where it's like both can be true about Beyonce's rapping. She can be corny, but also she did not miss a single. How did she do it? I was saying, I looked at the lyrics and I was trying to do it along with her, and I couldn't do it. I would like to do a little bit of a dramatic reading of some of these lyrics. Actually okay, whiskey

till I'm tipsy, glaring off. My wrist goes click, jumbles on my hip, stretch marks on my something, drinking my water, minding my bis Monday, I'm overrated Tuesday on my ship um flip flop flip flop, flippy flop flip flop flahen, she goes fine, I'd be curious to see what like the ballroom community thinks about it, because it's very clearly an homage to ballroom m c s. And like, how you know masterful that really is? But like I mean, my favorite, I pretty sure my favorite is the Yemma

when she says like it's like it's giving. It's honestly, it's giving. It's giving PEPs, horru and egg in a good way. Thick was one that I like, liked the idea of a lot, and then it's just like not one I've like spent a lot of. It's not when I listened to us actively when I'm listening to the album, like, it's fine, I love it. I I appreciate that it's the horniest song on the album. Like I'm pretty sure,

I'm pretty sure is the horniest song. I thought this was the song where she says eating dick like mastros and I was like, what was fiance has never talked about eating dick like that is ething um um, but it wasn't this long all up in your mind. One of my favorites. Um so. So this is produced by blood Pop, also a g cook who does a lot of work with Charlie xc x UM. This for me

is like I like the idea that beyoncet. It was like, Okay, I'm making a music that sounds like a gay club, and so if I'm going to do that, I need to lean into this like PC music, like Blee Blue Stuff a little bit and like a little and like again as we were talking, without being hyperop, without being hyper pop, because the thing is like, yes, as we said earlier, she's a little late to making this kind of music, but if she's going to do it, she's

only going to do it for one song. She's going to get the best people who make that kind of music and she's going to really nail it. And I

love this song. I think it's very like when I was listening to the album for the first time, I was like, oh yeah, this is like that part of the night this is like the eight Am song when you are like when the one is starting to come up and you have been dancing for hours and your feet hurt, but like the drugs are really working and everyone like you don't want to look too closely at anyone or at yourself, but like you're still having a

great time and you're a little spaced out. I just yeah, I think it's so like propulsive um and it's kind of like ugly sexy. It's like it's like horny nous that's like kind of bordering on, like you should go home soon, but like you're you're not ready to, and like this is I think it's the perfect setup for the America has a problem because how I feel about like a night out of the club and like I like techno more than you do, but um, I always

feel like I can't. I can listen to techno all night, I can dance to techno or like in my youth, um up until you know, the early hours of the morning, but then once the sun comes up, I gotta get house in disco. You gotta lift it back up. And this to me feels like that last push of the Oot Studs industrial music. And then Baby, We're going to

bring it back up. I am floored by that analysis because it has brought so much more appreciation to these for me, for to these songs which I would never skip a Beyonce song, and this album is no skips for me. But if I did skip one song, it would be America has a problem. And I felt like all up in your mind and America has a problem could have been combined. And I think because I was not picking, I was picking up on the thing that

you have said so clearly. I'm concertized. Like I I like that I didn't really realize at first, which is that it's that come up. It's that like end of the night, like we're we're cruising off our drugs and figuring out what we're gonna do next, and like you're almost coming down and then something staves you at the last minute. But like, hey, when all up, when all up in your mind, when like when it starts and you wear that nasty techno like no none done done, doom,

don't no, no don't. I was like that it was so nasty and like, yeah, these are kind of like the techno songs um I appreciate, but I appreciated them as a whole, and I think the emotional can see of alloping your mind is very sexy, very Beyonce. And then America has a problem, Like I was like, oh, are we getting like a social justice kind of moment? And then it's actually, I'm glad it wasn't. It wasn't.

It's actually very horny and it's just about this yes, which is exactly what we needed, and I'm so glad for it. I think she was honestly trolling by putting that on the track list, and then you know, and then you get to get to then you get lifted truly, like Up into Heaven by Pure Honey, which is probably my favorite song on the album if it's not cozy. Um, it's kind of hard to have a favorite. But babe, what did you think of Pure Honey? Like how did

you like? I mean, it is pure honey and it is now in the pantheon of women saying about honey a k A. Robert Um. Yes, yeah, actually it's so smooth and sweet. I mean it is just like honey. It's Beyonce. If we haven't talked about this yet, but Beyonce sounds so good on this album in actually like a very understated way. I think, and this like last

burst of the album Pure Honey and Summer Renaissance. I think when she really like lets her voice out a little bit, and like Pure Honey is that moment of the night where like I just want to give someone a hug. I just want to hug my friend on the dance for for like five minutes and then like, but I love that transitionally, it starts with the nasty and I love like with Kevin Aviance sample that like I think, I mean, I don't know if you were from I. I feel like I grew up all grew up.

I feel like I came into like New York clubs with like Kevin Aviance and that song specifically like everywhere like the country, Like I think it's a very like it's a staple in ballroom. Um. I felt like this song was the most ballroom um and and I I think that's part of why it's my favorite. I think

are the most ballroom. Yeah, I feel like, um, you know, it's it's a lot for for Beyonce to not just highlight Kevin Aviance, but to also have you know, Mike Q, Kevin Prodigy, like um, Miss Honey, the drag Queen on this song. Um, in addition to someone like Ts Madison and someone like Honey to John Like these are all like not all of them are like super underground, but a lot of them. You know, Beyonce listeners have never heard of these people before, you know what I mean?

And I just think that putting Kevin Aviance like that's a deep motherfucking cut, don't you think, Like I feel like I just never it's not a deep cut to us, but like, yeah, culture, it's so to the fact that Kevin Aviance and Mike you are are on a Beyonce

record is incredible. Yeah, And for if you're not familiar, have an aubiance is like some people would say drag queen, I would say, like nightlife performer like some would and honestly club kid, club kid, I would say, as well as Mike you Kevin Prodigy is the one that does them. This is what I want to see, you know, you know that song like um, but some a Renaissance girl. I think Renaissance is amazing. Album closer wish Donna Summer was still alive so she could be on the song.

But you know, right, but also there just should have been more Donna like that this sample could have been. I mean, I love that it was at the beginning, like that, that iconic beat is at the beginning, and I I my one complaint honestly as a closer, it should have been eight to ten minutes long. She could have used more Donna. It would have been true to the all of her references, which like disco in house in this era is like eight to ten minutes long.

She is the artist to do it, which everyone's only making two minute fucking TikTok songs. And if everyone, if there's someone who doesn't care about the motherfucking algorithm, it's Beyonce. So she had the power to do it. And also, like you know, as we said earlier, she clearly had or rather her team clearly had a lot of ideas and they could have thrown so much more into the

final song would have been a banger. Way, I mean, I'm if if if what it comes down to is that, like shoot, there was only going to be one song that she did, a long song. I'm happy it was Virgo's Groove because that song is her rather than like

something that is like almost entirely referential. I guess it does kind of make sense for her to especially if I'm thinking about this album is like a night out, a night of dancing, Like yeah, in the morning, like when the party is about to end, the last thing I want to hear is Donna Summer because honestly, the last song I usually want to hear at a party is last Dance. Yeah yeah, true, true true, And like

it was I I it was perfectly placed. Yeah, I. I just like, you know, these both of these songs of Pure Honey and Summer Renaissance, it's like they also have the you know, three songs in one kind of effect. But I just felt like, uh, there's such perfect songs.

They's so so experimental, and they mash tons of ideas together, and you know, to talk about the album as a whole, I think like watching her have fun and watch her to watch her be you know, imperfect sometimes by throwing all of these crazy ideas together was like thrilling and like, you know, to have Beyonce do like a ballroom mc like kaa ka ka km moment like over an AfroB with like a sister Nancy asked, kind of like microphone

effect over it. It's like it's such a a lot of parts of these songs are like big mish mashes of ideas, But I think that's just how Beyonce has always been. And like, I think that her art is best when it's all credited right there. Like, I think this is one of the best executions of an album that she's ever done. And I don't know, that's just like why I love her. What what do you do? You have any guesses or hopes as to what the next two parts of this trilogy will be. I heard

an interesting theory I think it was. I think it was on who Weekly maybe or it was like someone else's theory that they were talking about. Which is that, Um that like all of the next two albums, she'll also be on horses, but they'll be different horses that like speak to the vibe of the album. So maybe like the next album the country, the next album, it will be a real horse and it'll be a country album. Um,

oh my god, that's so which which would be cool? Um. I definitely think we'll get an album that is more a bality and more emotional. Um. I also think maybe we'll get something that's a little bit more hip hop, R and B. I hope we continue to get sexy music. Um, you know, she she wrote, As she said in her statement, she wrote this during in the heat of the pandemic. They've been working on it for a very long time. This is music that they made indoors, craving time outdoors,

and so I hope it stays sexy. I hope it doesn't get you know, I mean, but Beyonce doing a country album like gag, like we will all gobble that up. Um. But like I love that this whole album was about sex, and I think that, you know, it was a great reprieve from you know, pretty much every other pretty much most songs that she's done before, which are my man cheated on me and he's no good, motherfucking piece of ship. And like here's how I'm going to tell you why,

And like, you know, I love that. That's like why we love Beyonce, and she has decades of work making music about her cheating man and you know, money and capital and stuff. But um, I don't know. I love her sex songs. So I don't think for me personally, has not been long enough with this them to place it within Beyonce's other work. Um, I don't know if you feel differently, but um, what are your You know, we spend a lot of time talking about this, so I think we maybe won't do as deep a dive

into Beyonce as like we initially thought. But I am interested to know what is your top three of Beyonce albums, and like, you can include Renaissance if like you're ready to to include it. But I will include Renaissances. I will. I'm pretty, I'm pretty. Gosh darn sure it's Renaissance. It's Lemonade. Shit, ah, it's between beat in self titled. Uh, I'm looking at the v DA track list. It might it might be be Day might can I can I guess your other two? Yes?

I will guess self titled? Okay, I got that right, And I will guess dangerously in love. Yeah, you're right. I actually this was a Twitter problem. You're a traditional. This was a Twitter prompt and I tweeted earlier and I said four, but I, upon reflection, it is dangerously

in love. So my my holy trinity is b Day self titled and dangerously in love love justice for I am Sasha, Fears and Arrow we do not acknowledge and was edged out because I look there are some songs on four that I really really love, but I don't. I don't love four as holy as an album, and I just think Dangerously in Love is a better cohesive

project and and just has the hits. I will say, School in Life and I Care, which are on four, are probably in top five top seven Beyonce songs at the End of Time, so it's funny in top ten for me. I fucking love end of Time, my God. And then with B Day, Like the other night, I was at our friend's house and we were watching We were like doing that thing where it's like everyone suggests a YouTube video, and I suggested that the Deja Vu video,

which is to me my favorite Beyonce video. Um, it's incredible, um one, And I think jay Z's best verse on a Beyonce song, and I do know by heart. Um, I love B Day so much. And I think it's the album of Beyonce's when I was the most obsessed with Beyonce, because it came out my freshman year of college, and it's the Beyonce album that I really the only time in my life I've ever felt like a Beyonce stand because I love Beyonce, but I'm not like obsessed

with her. Um. I listened to her music when it comes out and it becomes part of the fabric of the music that I listened to, but I don't find myself going back to it over and over again. But B Day really was that for me. That was the time in my life when Beyonce really clicked for me the most. You know, UM, to to mirror your story like be Da was also I'm pretty sure the album that defined my the beginning of my relationship to Beyonce.

Um Beyonce as a as a solo artist, I should say, Um, I think I've told this story on the pod before, but like Destiny Fulfilled was a huge part of my secular awakening. I checked it out from the library and

it broke my whole world open. And you know, we also had the Destiny'style Christmas holblem at home, and so Destiny's Child and Beyonce in that what has has been like a huge through up through line to through my life and Beyonce is definitely an all times fonce you'll be doing it there is um like I will have a lifelong I will have a lifelong relationship to Beyonce and like I will always be you know, I will

always be in the bee Hive. And I think, you know, from being the queer, the little closeted girl, like hawking the library for things that are saucy and finding Beyonce, Like I never, in my wildest fan fiction would think that she would come out with an album like Renaissance that is so on the nose of like our various communities and so in the know of like maybe not

in the know. I don't want to say that, because at the end of the day, you know, she's a celebrity and this is a machine and they're making things for consumption. But it is so um it has all the right references and it makes me feel seen and like I just I'm so grateful that this is like the era that she's given us. And I'm like I said, I'm hopeful for I know they're gonna be visuals. I'm

hopeful for a visual album. I'm also I know you're not on this boat, but I'm hopeful for some fucking remixes, because this is the one album where I would like to hear some remixes from and Beyonce doesn't really do that, but like there could be some night or I would at least love like you know, like a like a twelve inch version of some of the tracks. Yes, we need a twelve inch version Virgins. Next week we'll be talking all about bas Lerman and his of films. Um.

I actually have an assignment for next week. I have to watch Strictly Ballroom, which I've never seen. I'm very excited for you to watch it. I first watched that movie in my high school dance class and it has never left my mindset. Well, we will obviously also be talking about things like Romeo and Juliet. Um. I will be going in on Elvis girl, I have a lot to say. Yes, we will be talking about Elvis. Um. I don't think we're going to talk about Australia because

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