Awards Shows are Inherently Queer

I've got laughing at you. I'm just thinking thinking about how badly yesterday could have gone. And I'm also thinking about how I'm always right, Okay, dear Virgins. I bought Rose Sweeney Todd tickets for Christmas, um, for the two of us to go together for the new revival of Sweeney Todd on Broadway starring Josh Grobin and Annalie Ashford U, which is gonna be you know, we'll see, we'll see,

because I thought it was on Sunday. I had texted Rose that it was going to be on Wednesday Wednesday, and Rose was like, no, no, I think you said it was on Wednesday, right, And I was like, no, no, no, it's definitely on the Yeah. I asked her multiple things, multiple times. It wasn't my fault. My ticketmaster confirmation was extremely confusing and it was an honest error. However, we did discover before we got dressed up. I mean you

had put on make up, My face was done. I was about to put my outfit on, and I was thirty minutes from leaving. And you know me, you know I love to like leave early and go do something in the neighborhood before. So you could have caught me when I was already on the train, and baby, this recording would have not would have been real awkward have that happened. But look, I mean my suit was steamed. I was ready to go to suit. Yeah, I'm wearing I was wearing a little a little suit. It's like

it's so cute. It's like a cute. It'll be even just as you said, like a matinee outfit is different from an evening outfit, but like I was not going to serve as hard as I will when we see it. Yeah, which I'm excited to see. But my outfit now is much better for an evening performance. I mean it's a it's a matenee suit because it's like kind of like springtime garden oversized garden kind of suit, like a garden attire.

Is that is a means that's very down to ab Yeah, you know how like people just like a promenade, you know, like garden attire rose like you know, I don't get what that means where. But regardless, needless to say, we did not we're not. We did not see Sweeney Todd, So we're not going to be doing a Sweeney Todd episode, but we will be doing a Sweeney Todd up as soon after we see the show. To submit your questions, thoughts, concerns, prompts. What do you want us to talk about with that?

Like a Virgin four twenty sixteen nine. So yeah, there is not much going on with a sort of like cultural immediacy for us to talk about. I we did realized that there is a bunch of new music that we have been enjoying that we have not discussed on the show yet. So we're going to do a little playlist check in today. Although first I want to talk briefly about Cocaine Bear, which I saw it last week. Oh right, I a movie that I probably won't see but I wanted to see. So, you know, let me

to tell me about your experience. It's exactly what you think it's going to be. Right, It's fun, it's dumb, it's much better. It's a movie meant to be seen with an audience, you know, that really enriches the experience. I saw it at Alamo Drafthouse, so it was like, you know, food and like a bougie setup. Although the Alamo Drafthouse in Brooklyn the chairs don't recline, which is bullshit. I want to be eating my chicken tenders like fully

horizontal when I eat in a theater. It's going to be a specific movie because like the I don't want to you know, I don't want to denigrate you know, independent theaters, but like the experience of like little food servers, like coming out with your little lights, like at the middle of the movie, and you're worried about your food the whole time. It's like very distracting. So it has

to be a movie like Cocaine Bear. Yeah, yeah, I'd be like I do wish there were more movie theater options in Brooklyn, Like why isn't there an AMC Fort Green. We mean heartbreak would feel good in a place like that, it would. I mean A twenty four just bought the Cherry Lane Theater in West Village. Did you see that? Well that's in the West Village and I live in Brooklyn. Anyways, Okay, yeah, let's let's open our spotifies and talk about what we've

been listening to. Feel like we could start with Caroline Policheck. That came out so long ago. Well, it came out on Valentine's Day, and I have basically been listening to Desire I Want to Turn Into You, Caroline Policheck's new album, NonStop since then. I you know, for as obsessed as I was with Pang, I surprisingly as she was releasing the singles for this album, which she did kind of over a very like protracted length of time, I wasn't listening to them a lot. I think I was really

waiting for the full album experience. Although obviously I fucked with Bunny is a Rider hardcore. I needed to hear them all the music together in context, and it's such a good album. It's like so much it is very true to the essence of who she is as a singer and songwriter, lots of like weird whale sounds and stuff. But I think it's like a different It is sort of like graduated from Pang. It's like a different kind of vibe, like obviously graduated or like how it because

I'm not like a Caroline palatecheck scholar. So I've listened to Pang obviously, but I didn't, like, I'm not a paying stand you know, I don't know that much about I would say, like, I think panyg is really ephemeral, and desire I Want to Turn into You feels a lot more grounded. It has a lot more sort of like physicality. I think UM paying is really so much about obsession and dreams and you know, like yearning and desire. I want to Turn into You is about desire. It

is about fucking. It's like it feels so much more physical and so much like lustier. What's your favorite non single track? H Blood and Butter. I also love smoke Um. I'm gonna have to give it more listens. I've listened to it like twice. The album that is, and Uh and um Fly to You, the song with Dieta and Grimes is in credible. I did love that song. I um also I liked Bunny as a writer as well. I think that there are things about Welcome to My Island that are really great. Though I don't like the

Charlie XCX remix. Like I believe I really good have the song Sunset muted on Spotify. It's so good do not And I honestly is it because it gets recommended to you a lot. It's it is, That's part of it. But I did hate it from Jump, I think because I was just like, oh, she's trying to get that Rosalia coin, like she's trying to get a little like kind of Spanish pasa doble. It just felt it didn't

feel I liked that she was doing another genre. I think it actually fit within the world that Caroline has built and that she does transcend genre. She really does do a lot of different shit. I mean, even the opera song that she released like a few months ago was like fucking cool. But Sunset, I was just like, I did not I did not hear I did not really hear her on it. I did not really like the song. I think I love Sunset. I think it I think it works so well with her voice. Yeah,

it does. Um. It was. It was kind of jarring because the other night, I and we'll get into this next I guess, um, the other night I might go to hook up music. Right now is Raven the new Kalila album. And I was hooking up with someone the other night. And you know, in Spotify, after you finish an album, it just kind of switches to like similar a similar vibe playlist or like music you've been listening to, So like this like sultry, sexy Kalila album ends and

then it goes straight into sunset. It's like and it's just very not in the vibe. Um. Although the guy, the guy I was hooking up with, was like, who is this? I do not. I don't know. If Caroline, there's not very many Carol okay, a lot if Okay, most Caroline Palicheck songs fuck, but they are not fucking music, you know what I mean? Like I don't want to fuck to paying Yeah, I have, I don't want to fuck to Like I can't see anything on this album

that I would fuck to. But that's not a death you know, that's not Yeah, not all music has to be fucking music, but Kalila fucking music which I know is true because last weekend on Friday night was it Friday One night last week I had someone over and put Kalila on and we hooked up while it was playing. And then a couple days later I went over to someone's apartment to hook up with them and they were playing Kalila. Look it's Brooklyn. It's yeah, it is Brooklyn.

Everybody's fucking to this album. Um. I love Kalila. She is such like a creative directorial like genius and um, I can't wait for the remix album because her remix album for Taking Me Apart is so bomb, like so many cool Colla oberators on it as well, like Cupcake, Jungle Pussy, um I simone uh it. She just like has great taste in super indie, very queer black and brown like producers and music writers and so like whatever she does with like the Raven Remix is going to be. Yeah.

I was so excited to see people like lsd xo XO, who produced Happy Ending on this album. She just Khalila just has immaculate taste, um in terms of who she works with, her visuals um and also selling people ps fives or whatever or like um um anytime she there's like a if you search like Kalila and like the um green emoji or whatever, it's like her every tour stop, it's her tweeting like uh DC, where do I get the green? Like Philadelphia, where do I get the green? Like? Um, Yeah,

Khalila is just a real one. I kind of miss the era where Khalila, Um Davante Hines, Adam Bainbridge from Kindness and Solange we're all in like a group chat together and like they could still be. They could still be, they just don't talk about I mean, I've heard that there was a bit of a falling out between some of those creative minds. I don't know the faulty, but like, well, dev Hines is kind of often his own world. Yeah, you know, fucking every trans girl in like the Tri

State area. Yeah yeah. And Solange also just is a woman removed from society, Yeah, as she should be. Well that's that's what made when she got hacked and tried selling people PlayStations so jarring, right, because that's not really her tea. Um, have you listened to the new Paramore album? This is why I did. I didn't latch, I didn't latch onto it. I did listen to it all the way through. What did you think? It's good? It's very groovy.

I don't. I don't love it as much as their UM last album, UM, What's after Laughter, which was kind of the one that really like, even though they have for the past couple albums kind of revitalized their sound a little bit, I think After Laughter was the one that was like really critically lauded, had some big singles, had a really nice like music video rollout is getting

like critical acclaim or I think so. Yeah, I'm feel it's buzzy because it's like post Olivia Rodrigo, But I also I don't know what like actual Paramore stands Spiel. I think so because it's like, um, it's very much the sort of classic Paramore like emo vibes, but through this like you know, seventies revival that's been going on in pop culture for the past couple of years. So it does feel like a little different for them, a

little more low key, but in a good way. It's definitely I've listened to it a lot, but always in the background, and I haven't, as you said, I haven't like latched onto a lot of it yet. Outside of you know, the first single that they released, This is Why, which I do think is great, but I need to spend more time with the songs individually and do some

active listening. Yeah, I haven't done a ton of active listening, but I do wish that just this most recent album was a little more emo and a little less like you know, the funky groovy seventies. Like, Yeah, I I I should give it another active listen. M Lana. However, I've been actively listening Babe Baby, and something shifted. Yeah, everything, everything, everyone moved it. I truly think it like there was a breach in the time space continuum that brought and

w to us. This is the experience of being an American horror, which I have been saying to myself, like at random times. So I'll be like in my kitchen, like making a sandwich, and I'll just say to myself, this is the experience of being an American horror. Or I'll be like, I'll like miss the bus by two by about thirty seconds. This is the experience of being an American horror. I like, I like, was I like

got my sandwich this morning? Was walking into the studio, my pork belly, peanut butter and jelly, and I thought, this is the experience of being an American horror T shirt idea. Um, let me tell you, I'm not a lot of stands. I'm gonna make a lot of stands mad. But like, I was not a Chemtrails girl. I was not a good honister. I'm so sorry. I did not like the most like the last two albums. I felt like they just all blended together, and I A and

W felt just as you said, a shift. I love songs that have like sharp turns, songs that are like split somewhere in the middle to like turn into like morph into something else. Say, I love in Lana break song format. I think it's when she thrives as a songwriter shco. But yeah, what the fuck is that? I don't know, but it's it's nonsense, but um, it's it's

the experience of me and American horlan. Her lyrics are like it's a it's like a fucking slut algorithm like, but it also is, you know, her most personal album yet. I saw something. I saw that she She said something along the lines of that um in a in an interview she did recently. I think maybe with Rolling Stone that, um, you know, she a lot of what she heard from her fans is that they wanted more of her and her music, like they felt like they didn't know her.

So these last couple albums, especially Blue Bandsters and did you Know There's Tunnel under Ocean Boulevard, are a lot about her family and she's you know, trying to be She's trying to be vulnerable and you know, expose herself more. Is um, did you know there's a tunnel also for this upcoming album or was it like an isolated no, it's for this album? Okay, Yeah, this is gonna be

a good album. I'm so excited me too. We actually have a Lana del Ray episode coming up with Sean Fay, a Juicy Juicy episode of Juicy Guest, and it's gonna be incredible. And I'm you know that I would I would consider myself the lawna virgin out of the three of us. So yes, I do. I mean, I can hold my own in a Lana conversation. But I'm excited to hear from the stance. I've been there since day one and I will be there until I die. Did

you like the Miley single Flowers. Okay, I think it's good, but I think it's a psi op because like the way that it is the biggest single she's ever had, It's been on top of the charts for weeks. It's like a worldwide phenomenon. It's, oh girl, it's huge. It does not It's a good song, but it doesn't have a reason to be as massive as it is. It's giving Paola. The reason to me is like it's like post breakup comeback kind of era. And she also has

a new creative director choice of Bonds ex. Jacob Bigs or whatever his name is um and who I think is amazing. And I think that the creative direction for Flowers is actually fucking cool. So I do. I do think that it's just like Miley and her team fighting an excuse to like do something creative, to try to do something fresh and new. But I agree with you that Flowers specifically just felt like a TikTok play. It's It's the course itself is extremely like TikTok. It's a Flowers.

The notion that the kind of like a we should all just like do things for ourselves and trust ourselves and like you're all you need is like extremely TikTok culture uniqu u nick um. It just it. It really is just giving Paola, like someone paid to have it be number one on the chart, someone paid to have it on every Spotify playlist. I don't get it. Someone, though, who I do think deserves all the buzz they're getting

right now is Ice Spice, who I really like. I was aware of her as a cultural figure for very long before I actually listened to the music, and now I'm so into it. I mean that um boys a liar that song, I mean obviously pronounced liar. It's pronounced it's pronounced leah like you like can't escape it. It's like in every TikTok I watch um and so I eventually had to like watch the video and listen to the song, and it's fun. I really like Ice Spice.

I will. I love Ice Spice too. Her performance in the video is like you're like, oh, you're like a new star, you know what I mean, She's just kind of there. I think she's I think she's still she. It's it's an interesting thing with Ice Spice, specifically that I'm not trying to say in a pejorative way, where your fame precedes the full formation of us a star, and I feel like Ice spices also figuring out who

she is in tandem with her morality. Right, Yeah, you know what's not gonna help is that she was just um trapped at the Kardashian West home this weekend. Why one of my one of my mutuals tweet Um, there's a video of her with all the with all of Kim's kids, And someone tweeted a video of Um, I'm of Annie, of the movie Annie. Um, I know I think I'm gonna like it. Wait, I just I really got the cadence of that wrong. Dear virgins, Rose and I, We're not like you know, Awards Gaze, you know what

I mean. We're not like we're not like you know, streaming every Awards show, like hawking the nominees, like making predictions. Um, but Awards shows are like inherently queer and yet surprisingly

surprisingly anti caweer. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm being facetious because this is like how all music critics, I mean, how all movie critics I know, And well, I mean that's the thing is, like, we are not Awards girls, and we're also not really critics, but at certain points on our timeline, we've had to be awards girls, because if you work in media, you know you have

to the night of the Oscars. You're like in a war room story in real time, like making sure you're the first to get the meme, the first to get the whatever. Yeah, do you miss? I mean? I mean I usually still am the first, even if i'm That's the thing is when award shows happen, even though I don't watch them, I'm usually still on Twitter catching all the important moments and getting my memes in because it's like that's what you do. It's fun. It's it's like

part of the fun. And I think that it's like the things that we will remember are the things that translated to the Internet, which is like you know, Adele de Zeme or like really bad Oscar wins or like um just things that like feel viral. M. Yeah, but I'm not really like a I'm not really like an Award show um expert, so to speak. Neither am I and I'm not. I'm not a person who feels like especially with the Oscars, I don't see every Best Picture nominee.

I don't care. We have talked about this before. I am much more of a populist movie girly. I like movies over films for the most part, and I like this sort of ephemera that exists around awards season, but I don't care about the awards themselves. And honestly, at this point every year, I'm like, please, God, let this end so we can stop talking about these movies, like with something like everything everywhere, all at once. It came out last Spring, so we've been talking about this movie

for almost a year now. It is exhausting. Just give MICHELLEO the Oscar already, so we can shut up about this movie that in the year since it came out, I have kind of like, you're like, you're over it. I'm over it. Like it was good, let's leave it at that. You resent things that are over exposed a lot of the time, I feel especially I do, and especially because the thing is, if it had a shorter life, yeah, I would have been able to enjoy it and move on.

And since we have now lived with that movie, especially for so long, I think my issues with it have been able to flourish, and that I don't think it's as good as it's lauded as and so I'm just like, please, like, let's let this go. M Yeah, is there anything like in this US in this year's Oscar season that you are excited for? Or maybe if it's not a film, like, are there any yatar? Are there any cool performances there, anything who's slated to perform. I have absolutely no idea.

I want to know the only things that I was. Okay, let's let's at least talk about the Best Picture nominees. Let's go go through and give a little take on all of them. Top Gun Maverick one of the best films of twenty twenty two. I had so much fun seeing it. I think Hold my Hand should win Best Song. Um, I probably will. It could because it's not gonna be Rihanna. That song fucking sucks. I'm I'm so mad at her. I cannot believe she'd I mean, actually, it's probably not

her fault. I'm mad at Black Panther. No, I'm mad at her. It was in her control. That song. That song sucks. Um. Then there's women talking, which I haven't seen. We'll never see everything ever where all at once. Um. You know, good movie. I I disagree. I mean I it is still my pick. I I it's the one that is out of everything I've seen, like the most memorable Banshees of Innisharin, which I I love, I saw like a month ago. Incredible, so funny, so sad, so beautiful. Um,

Avatar is it gonna win? I'll be sa Avatar is not gonna win. But Avatar was one of the best movies of twenty twenty two. I understand why it's on Best Picture. I think on like the production level, everything that it accomplishes. It is course, yes, amorable Triangle of Sadness I still haven't seen, but you loved. Wait, Triangle was not Oh my god, oh my god. I completely missed that. I thought it wasn't. I thought it was totally ousted for No Nations. I fucking loved that movie.

That would be like my runner up pick, but obviously we never get picked for Best Picture. I would pick that over Tar, honestly in my ranking. Um wow, I would not. Tar to me, is the movie? Is is it your number one? Or is Top Gun your number one? No? Tar is my number one, even though Top Gun is the best movie ever created or whatever. The no. I don't I don't think I don't know. I said it was one of my favorite movies of twenty two. I

love Tar. I think it's incredibly acted, directed, written. It like captures the moment we're living in so perfectly in a way that I don't know. Well, I guess in a way that maybe Triangle of Sadness from what I've heard about it does from a different way. But I just think Tar is beautiful, perfect, stunning. Elvis one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Literally, I wanted to vomit the whole time. Austin Butler is like phenomen in this movie as a performer, But the movie on the country,

it's terrible. It's like on the construction level is terrible, and Tom Hanks is terrible. Yea, it should not be in this list. But let me tell you best film of twenty twenty. Best film in the Oscar nominee Pile Rose and I agree, is all quiet on the Western front? Right? That movie? Damn, it's definitely a movie, right, I like, I hate war movies, and that's I thought it was like a Western No. Um, it's a remake of like another Oscar. Another Best Picture, isn't it based on a book?

Isn't it all quiet on the western front of book? It's probably a book, but it was. There was a movie in like the nineteen twenties. It's a remake of of the Best Picture winner from like nineteen twenty something. Every year, every year at the Oscars, you have to have a war movie in there. It's got to be like Dunkirk or save it saving private war movie, blockbuster movie, biopic, yeah, biopicum, either a Jewish movie or a movie about Hollywood or both.

So The Fableman, which is the last, Yeah, the one we haven't talked about yet and which I haven't seen, but like somehow The Fableman's has become a gay twitter thing. A bunch of a bunch of people I follow have like tweet about it NonStop. That and The Whale, which was not nominated for Best Picture, but Brendan Fraser was nominated for Best Actor. That meme of him floating into

this car, however, is that should be nominated for something? Um, Everything everywhere all at once also fulfills like the underdog kind of archetype. But it's not an undergo anymore at this point, like it was. That's that is I think one of the things that's become annoying about it is that it's still being talked about as if it's like this scrappy little movie, and yet it has had this

massive press and industry push for a year. Now. You okay, we're a little we're a little divided on everything everywhere all at once. However, you and I do have the same kind of um impulse with cultural stuff like this. That's like slightly it like derives from like our indie I think probably indie snobbery or whatever, where when you love something, or when I love something and it feels so new, so fresh, like so special, and then everyone else catches onto it, it just it's it doesn't feel

special anymore. But that's not the movies. It's not it's for me. It's not about everyone catching onto it. It's not a like, oh, this movie used to be cool. It's not about that. It's like the overexposure to me highlights that it's not as good as it's being lauded as. And I feel like I'm not living in the same universe as everybody else. I'm living in the multiverse. In the multiverse, yeah, although I will say in the multiverse movies that came out last year. It is. I prefer

much prefer it over Doctor Strange. I even prefer it over that Spider Man movie that everyone loved, which I also like. On reflection, don't think is as good as you know we all said it was. Do you have like favorite Oscar wins in history, whether it's like best actress or best anything. No, I don't care about shit like that, Okay, but I do love a Ladya Coleman going Lady Gaga acceptance speech Lady Gaga because she was so gooped um speaking of Gaga, her singing that musical

medley What year was that? Oh? From the Sound of Music? So that was at the twenty fifteen Oscars. It was a tribute to the Sound of Music. Julie Andrews came out and it was It came at such a pivotal moment in Gaga's career because she was It's like that tweet about Christia Aguilera, she was at her lowest, fat, nasty,

and broke. Lady Gaga came on that Oscar stage mad as hell because pre that she was in her flop era post art pop she was she was doing American Horror Story and then she came out and did that Sound of Music medley, and it totally revitalized her and recontextualized her, and it introduced a different version of her because it was her proving her singing chops, her acting chops. She tore that shit up. Recontextualized is the word. Like she was like in case you forgot, I am a

rock star, but I'm also a star star. And I think the star was born. And I don't think people took her into consideration as a serious actress um let alone someone who would show up at the Oscars and take it seriously for lack of a better word, just like because people underestimate Gaga write her off as this like you know, shock value pop star at least your point, You're so right, and that it is. It is a thing that made specifically Hollywood people take her seriously. Ah

And I just remember being like, what the fuck? Like she nailed. I think I cried. I'm pretty sure I cried. Honestly, this is pretty This is kind of silly, but it reminded me a lot of when Amy Adams did That's how you know it? Did she do? Was that the song that she did from Enchanted It reminded you of that.

It did because Amy, by that point like she had been I think she was, she was already nominated for an Oscar, but like she wasn't the star that she was, and I think enchanted felt like a silly Disney movie. And then she got up there and did I think two musical numbers and nailed them, and I was like, oh, Amy Adams is like way more than just an actress, you know what I mean? Like it felt pivotal for her, and similarly to how it did Forgot. Have you ever

practiced a fake Oscar acceptance speech? Um? Not not practiced out loud, No, but yeah, I constantly envisioned what my Oscar speech would would be. Who would you think I would not thank anybody. I would tweet my thanks out after and they would spend my speech on a message I'm sorry, that's who I am. I don't know, virgins, if you could hear my eyes, I mean, I'll e my words if I ever do, you know, get into

the Academy world. But like, because I know there's so much diplomacy and politic around thanking people in speeches and that it's something you really have to do. But like I just think you have you know, it's an economy of words, right, you have a limited amount of time. I don't want to spend it rattling off like a

list of people. I'd much rather tweet that after and spend you know, my time on this platform talking about what I want to talk about and and and and doing that in a way that wouldn't be like cloyingly like like activisty, like it would be like sweet, and it would talk about my life in the context of who I am. And yeah, I think that's what I would do. What do you what about you? You you've practiced? I would sing the theme song from The Nanny and then walk off stage and yeah, they would take out

one of those big canes. Yeah, like um, yeah, Jared Letto pulls the cane out. Oh not Jared Letto, sorry, he won't bring him up. He was the first transphobic person I could think. Well, that's another thing with the oscars, as you know, like the legacy of men who have played trans women and one awards for doing so, which okay, I mean we can talk about, but like not to

blow up your spot. Before we got onto the mic, I did find out in real time that you did not like When My Hair FANTASTICA No, I hated it. Crazy to me, I'm so, I think it's a bad movie. I okay, I I mean totally totally fair. I don't think it's like a movie that like everyone is required to like. I thought it was so incredible, and I thought that you would like it because it's like moody, weird and also like fabulous slash surrealist. And I thought

that surrealism would appeal to you. But um, you know it's it's not. Everybody's teed. I love that movie though, And a trans woman in a trans role, which is cool. Yeah, it should have been Jared Letto, Eddie Redmain, Eddie Redmain my sister. But Eddie has since then gone on the record to say he regrets doing it, which is cool, is it? I mean, it's better than it's like these guys. These guys always say they regret it, but it's not like they give their oscars back. Oh, it's very Danny.

It's very Darren Chris being like I will no longer be playing anymore gay roles, and it's like, good for you, Um, you've done this seventeen hundred times. Um. In terms of like Oscar snubs. The first that come to mind are Tony Collette for Hereditary, j Loo for hus Slurs, which would be a career I think the non would be a career win. Do I think she should win? No, but she doesn't nomination because she should have been nominated for Selena. Let's be real and so, and she's never

going to get nominated for an Oscar again. No, that's the thing. It was her one shot. It also was like the one Okay, this is mean, but like it's like the one actually good movie she's been in in ages like second act terrible. Um, I watched had Fun, I watched Shotgun Wedding terrible, like we watched Marry Me terrible, Mary, Mary, Okay, oh you enjoyed Marry Me? What was What was something that you enjoyed specifically from that movie that it was

dumb and fun? I liked it. It was honestly if I can't remember if we talked about this Virgins, but we had a Gallantine's last year where we watched Rose. I and Ash, our friend Ash watched Marry Me and we were so stoked to watch it, and five minutes in we were like, oh wow, this is bad like good bad, and then we immediately we were exactly it was exactly what I expected it to be. Dumb Jaylo romantic,

I thought it. I thought it at least hook me, though, because dumb romcoms can still hook me and marry me. Did not, I think because Owen Wilson made absolutely no sense in that movie. I think Owen Wilson is super sexy. I want to lick his nose. I do too, but not for Jlo, Like why does why why does Jlo have to fall in love with all of these kind of like schleppy, mumblecore white guys, Like why can't she? I mean I wanted her to stay with Maluma. Maybe

in the sequel. Yeah, maybe in the sequel. Um, okay, sorry any any Oscar snobs that you're thinking of. No, I don't care. I don't care who wins awards. It doesn't matter, Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't matter. I mean, that's the thing that we're I know that's not an interesting answer, but it's also not truly I truly could care less. It's also obviously not an interesting take, right that, Like you know, institution like don't matter, right, but it's

true like these like these norms like biggest snobs. It's like the stars probably don't care, Like I'm sure they care, but it's like depending on which one it is to me, the wins are less to me, The winners are less interesting than the Oscars industrial complex itself and just the

whole business around awards, movie awards, TV awards. I mean this is as people who have been part of this industry on both sides, as people in the media commenting on it and then actually working in Hollywood, like you know, both of us worked for one of the biggest movie studios tech companies in the world, and so like have

been on both sides of it. And it just is a machine that runs all day, every day, all or like as soon as as soon as the Oscars are over, we'll start prepping for you know what, the Emmys, which will be in the fall. And it's just like the next thing is just around the corner. It never stops. It's exhausting and it is and it like, when you stop to think about it, it's all just about money. Like these awards exist so that these movies will be seen by more people. It's not about the craft, it's

not about celebrating art. It's all capitalism. Like living in LA when I lived there. All you see when you're driving around or for your consideration, signs everywhere, like I mean, oscar parties everywhere, like FYC, like you know, gatherings everywhere. You know. Yeah, it just is. It's a machine that never stops, and it's hard to be even somewhat close to it and not feel incredibly jaded about it. Yeah, and I think honestly, the Andrew Riceboro is that her name?

And yeah, that rice Boro stuff is like indicative of the things that we're talking about. It's like oscar campaigners, like press girlies, like people that work on awards season year round. Are I mean, they're not evil, but they possess the powers of the devil like they are, Like they're braver than the Marines, but for evil. Yes, doing lines of coke ten thirty am before they send out their press releases. Actually no, not ten thirty What am

I saying? They're sending it out at six EVA. No one works harder than pr glies and it's why they are some of the most some of the best, but

also most insufferable people. Insufferable people on the planet. And that's the only reason like the Andrew Riceboro stuff is controversial is that all these Oscar campaigners that like spend a ga jillion dollars doing these kind of like chicken dinners about fucking green book or whatever, like you know, also are like mad that someone who did a something of a that's something that's being called a as roots like Oscar campaign, but really is just famous people texting

each other and being like, hey, tweet about this, yes, which is like it's a different mode of doing it. Yeah, But like I it's it's just interesting, like the politic and like what is allowed with an Oscar campaigning. Like I honestly like would love to do a deep dive episode with someone who really knows what it's like inside the beast, like I would I would read the shit

out of an article about Award season. Okay, we have to talk about the one part of Award shows that I definitely make sure I know what's going on with, which is the fashion the red carpets, which are kind of always disappointing. I mean, you know, it's like Margot Robbie wearing her millionth horrible Channel dress though apparently her Chanel contract is ending soon. It's better before the Barbie Press tour other because that is gonna she needs to slay. Yeah,

that slay and she has not she has not been slaying. Um. You know. Some of my favorite Oscar outfits are obviously the weird ones, like the York's Swan dress or Celine Dion wearing the backwards suit, which I've seen some TikTok fashion girlies recreating recently. There's a really maybe you should wear your suit backwards to Sweeney Todd Oh, um, what would you wear to the Oscars? Who would you wear? And don't say something dumb. I was gonna say Prada, Prada,

Da Dada. I don't know, do you know already? Because yeah, I would want to wear maybe archive muglaire oh archive mcglare is really it's all about archival fashion. I would love to wear, um, Richard Quinn like a head to toe floral print or something like that, or do you

follow I'm bad bitch tongue tongue the tongue tongue dresses. Um, It's like the he designs a lot of like um a really structural like black span X, the outfits that have who spilt into them, and like, uh, some of these dresses look like Octopie and look like it's like a very cool designer that also does like chic kind of almost campy stuff. Um yeah, a tongue tongue dress would be really sick. I would also maybe want to serve a tux moment, but like a really a really

fem touch. Yeah, a little Jodie Foster oversize, or maybe like a Kristen Stewart kind of Kristen Stewart's recent Chanelle red carpet looks have been real bad. Damn she also trapped into channel contract? Is damn her? We have deliberate our sisters from these channel contracts. Remember the year that Anne Hathaway and James franco host of the Oscars Oscar host? Who's your dream Oscar host? Don't see RuPaul, Billy Porter? Don't say Billy Porter, I'll kill you. RuPaul would be great.

RuPaul would be RuPaul actually would be. Yeah, he would be really good. I mean there are some things that wouldn't work about Rube, but but it'd be so like explaining what what yas means like fifteen years too late, Like that's what it would all be. It would be him being like and we will fight for marriage equality. Lets yeah, rock the vote. Yeah, I rock the vote. Um wait, there was actually someone that I was thinking of recently who I was like, you would be fucking phenomenal,

someone who really is a catch all. And it's not MICHAELA. Jay. It was someone I'll think about. I mean to deliver, deliver Deli, Amy Adams, Nicky Blonsky. Nicky Blonsky should host the Oscars period. Hi, it's Nicky Blonsky from the movie Hair Spray. I am, as we all know, rewatching Ugly Betty and she has an amazing cameo in an episode playing Betty's rival at el Magazine. She's like a foil

for I don't remember that. I mean, there's so many good We'll talk about this in our upcoming Ugly Betty episode. Yeah's with Mark and Delicato. But there Adele had a emeo like Lindsay Lohan, Lindsay Lohan, Christine Baranski, like it was, it's just so much, so many. Vanessa Williams should host the Oscars. That would be major, That would be so good. A songstress like that, like a classic songstress who knows how to host, would be phenomenal, which is Ellen should

just host the Oscars again. Ellen did an amazing job. Ellen dead. Yeah, we really have no way of knowing roasts. We really, we really don't know. We don't know. Um, but yeah, no, I think that a lot of Ellen should host and get slapped. Ellen. Every every Oscars host from me from now on should get slapped. Who's hosting this year? Is it? Is it a team of people? I don't know, literally do not know, Not that it matters, but I, um, if it feels like they're keeping that

information quiet, yeah, because for there for that person's own safety. Uh, it's gonna be Jimmy Kimmel. Oh easy, he's fine. Um, someone can still slap him though, that's the Yeah, someone can still slap him. I mean he'll make Ellen can slap him. Yes, Ellen will slap him. Um. Yeah, he's definitely gonna there's Oh, it's gonna be so annoying. There's gonna be so many jokes about the slap. Yeah, that's gonna be real, especially from Jimmy Kimmel. Like it's gonna

be really annoying. How I mean, like, of course they don't want to get into the slap discourse, but just oh it sucks that that that we're stuck with that forever. Yeah. I mean it's the most controversial thing that's ever happened at the Oscars. So you know, maybe ever on live TV asipher maybe Janet Janet's booth. Yeah yeah, yeah, that's kind of crazy to think Janet should slap Jimmy Kimmel that now, that is the take. Um, Janet should host

the Oscars. Janet should host the Oscars. She should get up there and just be like she's just like just above a whisper the whole time, the whole time, the whole time. Missus dow Fire should have watched that secture. Let us know what's your favorite Best Picture winner of all time? Will you be watching the Oscars with your girlies? Do you? Who would you like to slap live on national television? You can slide into our DMS at Like a Virgin for twenty sixty nine whenever you want. I'm

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