Avengers ASSemble (feat. Joel Kim Booster)

going over to your apartment to watch One Division. Yeah, we had nothing, truly nothing else to live for at that stage in our lives. And I really feel like wand Division was the thing to make me care about the rest of the m c U. And so I was like, Hm, what did these Avengers like? What's there?

What's their story? I do think it kind of pulled everyone back into the see you in a way because it was like one of those rare Marvel things that like people who like don't usually watch that kind of stuff. We're watching it and you know, like the ubiquitous nous of it. I'm like Agatha all along, and it was

the moment exactly. I do feel also that there is like there was a compelling humanity to like Wanda that helped me start to see what was so amazing about all the other members of the n c U. And like maybe for the virgins at home that are turning on this episode and being like a Marvel I'm just like not prippy to like whatever the funk this is. I encourage you as someone who is kind of that person,

because I'm never paying attention honestly during Marvel movies. As much as the post credits kind of entwined narratives of all of the twenty seven of these movies is very overwhelming, it actually is not as complicated as you think if you get as invested in the kind of emotions and characters as you do for watching, or if you have Marvel stands to talk through it with you like we do today because Jolk and Booster is here to talk about Marvel with us and a very irreverent but like

also like serious and analytical way, because this is like a virgin the show where we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose damn you, and I'm Fran Toronto. And before we go into the multiverse of madness, let's talk about what's going on in today's pop culture. Absolutely, she lived, she served, kunt she died, and of course the she we are talking about is the Green Eminem. May she rest in peace, May she rest in power, May she rest in power, the Green I can't believe

they deascified the Green Eminem. Honestly dsified. And I have been told for at least a year now that the Green Eminem is canonically trans Have you ever come across this conversation on the internet. Yeah, I used to see her in line at Colin lord Um. I feel like Eminem's caught wind of this internet conversation and usurped it for recuperations on a deteriorating brand. Why did they have to take away her tabby boots? We need an eminem

who eats us. If anybody doesn't know, there was like basically a press release of some kind sent out last tweet. It was a tweet that showed a picture of the Eminem's, all of the different Eminem's, saying that they're globally rebranded for a more inclusive era. They grabbed Chad as this woke button and hit it. They didn't hit the sleigh button. They hit the woke button. They hit it hard. A couple of times. Yeah. So people were quick to point out that Mars, the overall company, is in a child

slavery lawsuit. Um, and so this is all of smoke screen distract people, purportedly all of smoke screen because they've been profiting off of like eleven year olds who work on cocoa farms in the Ivory Coast without pay for years.

I believe it. I will believe any conspiracy. Yeah. Same, and like unfortunate have to say it, our girl Tucker Carlson felt to type away about these eminem's And obviously Tucker Carlson is like abhorrent and like obviously it's like so gross because like the reason he's so mad is because he wants so bad to like fuck an eminem but he really does. But unfortunately he didn't make some points and he has a right to make fun of

us as a culture. I think, Yeah, well, I don't know that I want to be lumped in with us that made under the eminem's. You know who asked for this? I mean I did. I've been writing in every Day Rose asking them to please please create a more inclusive green ups. Did they hire you freelance to work on the campaign brand where you did you consult is such an accurate drag. I hate you, but you have done a disservice to your community and you need to be

held accountable. You know. I don't want to talk about it too much more, but I just have to say, you know, in the same line of like when Oreos tweeted that trans people exist, or like the we don't stop it, the mixed potato head of it all, which I think happens like the same week. And then, of course there was Patty Harrison's iconic Twitter takeover of the Nilo Wait First account. She said that she was Sia doing a Twitter takeover, that there were only two gators,

which is notoriously how people get taken off Twitter. Yeah, and she's verified, so it looks like it's real. She said, Hello, I am Cia, the singer doing social media takeover for Nila way First today there are only two genders. Then she tweeted trans women are men. Then she quote tweeted that and said, transphobia is never okay. Thank you for holding us accountable. We are better than this. We strive to learn and grow as a brand, and you make

that possible. I'm I'm gonna swing from the chandelier from the chandelier. Cia. She did also tweet if you're bisexual, we do not want your business, which, honestly fair. Wow, that's extremely biphobic. Fran You know what I am biphobic? Well, you know what. I'm fran phobic. Oh are you really? Yeah? Specifically you not. Fran find is not included in this. Oh I see, okay, what about fran Lebowitz. No comments.

Speaking of fran Lebowitz, I have to say I watched the Andre Leon Tally documentary over the weekend, which is on HBO. Max. Fran is in it, I think for like one interview, but the documentary as a whole is like amazing. I strongly recommend you would actually love it. Rose. Everyone listened to this podcast, would I don't like you telling me that I'm going to love things? Yeah, and I want to not like them out of spice that said, you know, Andrelean Tali was like such an incredible person.

He's like someone that I personally have admired for so long. And did you read his book? No? I didn't, And you know it's funny. Is I also very classic? Me had no idea that he was a judge on America's Next Top Model. He did really make the pop culture rounds the last like decade of his life, maybe more than a decade. Yeah, well, I mean when did the Sex in the City movie come out? Was he in the Sex in the City movie? Yeah? The first one when Carrie is doing her Vogue Bridle shoot, He's sitting

behind the cameras in full regalia. I didn't remember, so I did so much weed. Anyways, my point is it's a great introduction to the breadth of his work, so definitely go check it out. Um, what did you watch this weekend? Rose? Um? I had been seeing some tweets about this new sitcom, Abbott Elementary that's on Hulu and watched the four episodes that are out. It's so cute

and so funny. It's like Parks and rec style, like mockumentary, you know, like The Office, and it's about teachers at a public elementary school in Philly, like a school that's really underfunded. And I have not laughed out loud like that watching a TV show in a very long time. It's so sweet and funny, kind of the same way Parks and Wreck was, where it's like about good people trying to do good things within a bad system. So I really liked that. And then last night I watched

The Kill did Age on a trio. Max Fellows is new period drama Julian Fellas, who created Downton Abbey. Oh wow, I didn't realize it as him. Yeah. I mean, well, that's why you know everyone was so excited about it and that it has this pedigree because you know it's by the creator of Downton Abbey, who is like the king of campy period dramas currently. I it was pretty boring. Um. I did zone out for a lot of it. Some good performances, you know. Love seeing the girls Christine Brand's case,

Cynthia Nixon. Um, I wonder how many episodes it will take for Cynthia to get like a gender queer chimney sweep under under her hoop skirt named commodore adeas. Yeah, Harry Coon, who plays the like new rich woman who is trying to like enter the world of old money. I thought was very good. Um. And I also found off that she was in one of the Avengers movies, so that's we love to see the range. There was gay stuff. I don't know if you made it to the end. I mean, of course they're not going to

bring on to Cynthia without giving us some gay stuff. No, it wasn't Cynthia was it was gay guys, gay guys. Okay, I just have to say quickly. Unfortunately I started to watch it after, you know, we were texting about it, and I do not know if Christine Branski and our girl Cynthia, as much as they're two of my favorite people in Hollywood, are like not enough to get me to watch what is like a very lukewarm period It's not your kind of show. I'm not you are a

period drama girl. I know it takes a lot to get me two things. These heights. Yeah, it digs a lot for me to get there. But I would have finished the episode if that guy that I sent you the voice membo about didn't come over, And while I was he came over. He did. He did come over. Unfortunate for the too you that don't know there's this guy that I slept with like over a year ago. Who who would be the ones who did? Know? Of listeners people that listen to Food for Thought. So so

I forgot that you have another podcast. You forgot that I'm cheating on you with with another podcast actually, like, actually, you're cheating on them with me. You're the miss, I'm the other woman. I love that. I love Obsessed. Um, but the Obsessed starring Beyonce, which I've never seen and we need to do an episode on soon. Yeah but anyways, Um.

The cliff notes on this guy, which no one cares about, are just that it was like one of the worst most media grew dates I've ever been on over a year ago, and in the meantime he has slid into my d M. S tas. That's the guy who ordered Indian food to your house. This is the guy that took me out and he was like, let's go get Indian food, didn't ask me what I wanted. Yeah, girl, he's really hot. He looks like so there's so many hot men, like like like Disney cartoon Tarzan. He is

so hot. He's like the like manifestation of like so many of like my erotic Okay, that's that's fine for you to keep having sex with him, you just need to do less. I made a decree last night, and that is we're not douching anymore. We are doing the bare minimum for our partners. If that they don't know if they don't want us, if they don't want us hairy, sweaty and full of ship, then they don't want us at all. Yeah, fool me once, Shame on you fool

me twice. I can't read and I have no critical thinking skills, so you know it would make sense that you would fool me a second time. Like I said to the children I used to nanny when I gave them apples instead of cookies. You get what you get and you don't get upset. And then after that I would steal crates of pellegrino from their parents kitchen cupboard and take them home before the parents got back to the house. Look, you get what you get, you get,

you don't get upset. But it's so true because you have free pellegrino. It's so true. And I wish I had free pellogreno because last night I got buffed and puffed. I douched for way too long. And let me tell you, this guy was like three hours like I felt like I was humiliated. Um, but yeah, it's humiliating. And let me tell you, the year old gaze on the Gilded Age were certainly not douching, and they were doing, but yes' and sure they had like maids and like ballots and

stuff to clean up after them. They weren't, you know, washing their own soiled sheets. But but we have made do for centuries millennia without douching. Agreed. But that said, he did leave at one am, and I was so hungry that I drove and got my very first on my own, my very first on my own fast food drive through. I went to Wendy's. It was the only thing that was not a Wendy's Girl, It was only that was open near me. And I do love me a spicy chicken club. I ate two of them, and

I'm paying for it this morning. Let me tell you this has taken a turn. Um we have to touch briefly maybe on this week's And just like that in which Miranda finally left Steve for Ja Daz, which solidified her status as the villain of and just like that kind of yeah, like that's not even like cray perbole, Like she really is off her rocker in a way that is relatable. Like who among us has not in a manic episode booked a flight to get some long

distance dick? I haven't you've never done? Would I would never travel for a man, or or them or a woman. I've traveled for anyone for a long distance at least twice, really, at least twice. Maybe we need to free you of the shackles of testosterone. Yeah, I mean I kind of agree with that. But poor Steve, Poor Steve, Poor Steve. But you know what, like honestly, he will have a new girlfriend in a week and Miranda will be left by Chay in a couple of days. Yeah, it's it's true.

The scene between the two of them was so gorgeous. I mean it was gorgeously lit. First of all, just the lighting in this scene like draped behind them, this like golden like aura of light in their breakup was like so beautifully stage. I thought the conversation was so well written. Like I know, we dragged like m p K and everything that has gone down to the season, but I felt that the breakup really stuck the landing.

As hard as it was to watch, it was like a very real because it leaned into Miranda being awful. Yeah it did, it did. But like Steve's final plea was perfect, It was exactly but it wasn't. But it wasn't a plea, which is why I liked it. Yeah, I've been fighting for us and I'm not going to anymore. That's so t it's it's it's the thing that she needed to hear. And I have a feeling that those words she's not hearing them now, but they're going to

haunt her later, you know what I mean? Yeah, because Jay is a fuck they and is going to break her heart. So, as I mentioned earlier, I paid for season fourteen of America's Next Top Model because I wanted to watch Andre Leon tally season. I also have never watched a full season of America's Next Top Model. You need to go back and watch one of the earlier seasons. So I'm going to start from one because I started to watch fourteen. One is okay too? Is Oh my god.

I'm definitely gonna Sandy if real ones no Shandy Jowanna. The girls, the girls were girling. I know I'm going to watch the first four or five seasons because Tiffany obviously, um, but like, I have no regrets about my choice as fourteen for an entry point, the array of girls they have on this season. There's this girl named Brenda. She says she's looking for biological father. She showed up on her father's doorstep. Her father says, I'm not your dad

completely rejects her. She used that this happens on America's next toime on America's Next Top Model, Like, does she go to his house for ghost season? No, she and she unless the help of her cop boyfriend to find her biological father, which sounds illegal. Sally Hershberger chops fifteen inches of hair off this girl into like a red bob and she like cries through all of it. Oh my god. The makeover episodes are always so good. There used to be I don't know if it exists anymore.

A YouTube compilation that is just every makeover from America's Next Top Model, all seasons. I'm sure I have to watch that. I will sometimes go back and just watch the makeover episodes from earlier seasons, or like, if I'm trying to figure out if I want to watch a certain season of Top Model, I will just watch episode three, which is the makeover episode. It's the best. The things Tyra did to these girls emotional terrible. Some I mean

we'll get into it in the episode. But with this season, specifically, they chopped this girl's hair off and she like sobs uncontrollably, and all the girls immediately start making fun of her in the house. They say that she looks like Miranda from Sex in the City. That's not an insult, it's a compliment. But like the girl brandas like that her

my feelings. That's not nice, like because in this time no one wanted to be the girls make fund and then everyone wanted to be the Miranda, and now we've swung back around to exactly one wants to be the Miranda. Culture really is a full circle. The pendulum always swings back. Speaking of which, this was the season where the girls walked down a catwalk with a huge swinging pendulum that hits them as they walked on the runway and amazing,

it's giving legends of the hidden Temple. She had very Indiana jokes, But basically, this girl's real kuled so bad that Sally Hershberger comes back to the house to cut her hair again. I want to Sally Hershberger hair cut. I mean it starts at like thousands of dollars. I'm sure, Fran should I get bangs? I have told you that you should get curtain bangs. I think it would be very No. I got Curtain Banks last year. I'm not doing it, Phoebe. Should I get bangs? Virgins? This is

your action item for this week. If you think I should get bangs, tweeted us and let us know. So. I tweeted something recently that made our guest Joel Kim Booster side into my g M s to start a fight because I tweeted that Captain America the Winter Soldier is the gayest Marvel movie, and Joel, you disagree. Um, it's not that necessarily that I disagree. It's that I totally get it. Like the vibes between Bucket and Steve Rodgers are like pretty like almost text like it's not

even subtexts, like it's there. I get that. Um, I do think that, like in spirit though, there are gayer options, like I think some of the Thorn movies are a little bit gayer. Is there is there a specific one? I think Ragnarok? I agree? I agree. I mean Kate Blanchet's presence alone makes it one of the gayest, even though the majority of her presence is like c G I like, but everything else she does. But you were saying that you don't like you didn't like Ragnarok and

you just like her performance in it. This is honestly, I have like a middling reaction to a lot of Marvel movies because I'm watching them in the wrong context. So I try and watching Ragnarok on a plane, which is just not It's not how I wanted to watch it. So I actually rewatched it this week because I was like, well, what is this? And I do feel like maybe next to like some Spider Man, maybe even the most recent

Spider Man movie, which I think is very gay. I agree like Ragnarak had so many things about it that I felt we're kind of queer, and like Thor himself like gives like a there there's there's something really like homoerotic and like makes me hard when they strap him down and shave his head. That is there. It is like the beginning. It is the it is the beginning of slash fiction. We speaking, it's the scene that launched a million flash I mean speaking of slash fan fiction.

And four like a lot of it is about Thor and Loki. Yeah fake incest and Loki is actually textual. They're queer according to yes, yeah yeah, and also they're not really blood related And this is one of my hottest and least well received takes ever. But gay people should be allowed to do incest. Okay, lateral incested here, lateral incests, brothers, cousins, yes, anything with a power differential of course. No, But I just feel like, literally, the

only real problem with incest is inbreeding. And that's that's not the problem. It's the only problem, literally, And like you could even ask the question, like, is it incest if you're gay? You know what I mean? Like you could ask that question, but that is maybe not a question this podcast that we started to open us right up. So Joel, you I even like, just from a like kind of peripheral like view of your um like internet presence, I think I wouldn't understand that you were into sort

of like geeky comic bookie stuff. I am. Yes, I'm a geek, I'm a gamer, I'm a nerd. I'm all the things anything genre related. I'm pretty much down for. Especially comic books really was my entry point for a lot of culture when I was growing up. I started collecting comic books when I was nine. Um, I own like thousands at this point, and where are they? They're all in a half of them are in a stoge unit in New York and half of them are somewhere in my mom's new house in Chicago. Are they in

a carry Bradshaw's size storage unit? Like different very teeny, very teeny tiny um, And like I haven't actually stopped buying them regularly, like um, several like probably went sometimes at some point when I was living in New York. But it is still like I I love the lore and I love like the continuity, especially which is it's funny because we'll talk a little bit. I think we'll

get into it. I think that the m c U is sort of suffering from the connective tissue that it's forced itself into a little bit because the comic books do not care about continuity. They do and they don't. I think that like there's a little bit more freedom

um in comic books. But like famously, like they started to care about continuity in a big way in the eighties, especially like DC Comics basically did a whole event called Crisis on Infinite Nurse where they were like all of these different threads of like wait a minute, the huntresses Batman's daughter in this version, but she's not in this version, and they basically just did what Marvel is doing right now, which is saying like, oh, there's some multiverse and then

they destroyed the multiverse and squished it all into one. And and that's for you know, decades, was what the continuity that DC was working off of. And Marvel has done a few of those events themselves. They've like killed the Avengers and the Avengers came back. In fact, one of the earliest comic books I ever bought was the rebooted Avengers book where they brought them all back to life and like kind of restarted a lot of the

continuity in a way. Did you have a favorite team or so this is gonna automatically people will sort of take what I'm saying about the m c U a little bit less seriously when I say this, But I am a d C boy. The first comic book I

ever bought was a Justice League comic book. Um, and I've always been like, I think the iconography of d C and sort of the maximalism of d C is more appealing to me as as like somebody who if I'm going to read a superhero story, like I want gods and icons, like I don't necessarily need like street level like realism with when it comes to superheroes U

and I think DC does that better. Obviously, they're far less successful in the movie space than than Marvel has been because of the tone that they can't find in

certain ways. But I do think what DC is doing now where they have the ability to do something Marvel can't, which is have these extremely totally different projects, um, whereas Marvel, like everything kind of has to ultimately fit back within the Marvel formula, and DC can do something like have the Suicide Squad and Justice League and well that's that

was a decision that they came to relatively recently. In fact, they came out and said basically after Justice League flopped, and um, they were like, but we're actually doing like a soft connected universe. But I think on your face right now, I think I d F queen um Gaga dot iseah know she is um, I think one of the definitions right now of star nut actress. Oh she is, she is Lady Rock. She is. She is beautiful and charismatic and like Pops on screen, but like there, she's

not a good actor, but she can sell. Can't we just be her? Deep character work and murder on the Nile. Oh my god, even in the trailer movie coming out and the new trailer that's been recut around Army, who is a major character in the movie. Yeah, I do kind of want to see the will not train wreck boat wreck that will be yea, Yeah, for sure. I want to know a little bit about like your comic

book upbringing. But before we go there, I actually think maybe to contextualize for the actual True Virgins, Slash producer

Phoebe hasn't really seen any of the Marvel movies. So for someone who hasn't been inducted into this cinematic universe, how would you describe Obviously they're like what twenty seven movies or whatever they start with iron iron Man techno, how would you describe how these wine together, like for someone who has maybe never seen them before war propaganda with good jokes yea, literally though, Yeah, I think it was the like the first time since the Joel Schumacher

Batman movies where they were like, oh, this is kind of this can be silly, but then they were like

but not campy. And then and so they sort of like they took the note and we're like, Okay, people like it when they're fun because they're superhero movies, but it has to always be like self deprecating and like a little in on the joke um, which is why cam and and the thing is they were really smart to start the franchise a with something a character like iron Man, who is the stakes are low going in like people who like comic books know who iron Man is.

Like iron Man, He's had cartoons, you know, he's shown up in other media, but like the culture writ large was not like it's not Batman, it's not Superman, it's not the X Men. Like they dip their toes in with a character that if it failed, it wasn't going to be like a huge i P. Disaster for them

because it's iron Man, you know. And and they think that's why it was even because it was such a huge success, it was even it was able to sort of launch the m c U in a big way because they were like, oh, we can take risks with these relatively sort of like I would say, iron Man at the time, even though he's been a huge presence on the Avengers in the comic books for years and

years and years, is not an a list character. I think it also like iron Man made a lot of sense for the like cultural context of the time, because like you're thinking about the entertainment landscape, which is like, you haven't really had a good superhero movie since what X two, Um, the Batman movies the right, okay, the

Batman movies. And also like I think iron Man makes a lot of sense as a post nine eleven superhero, absolutely, and that first movie is so post nine eleven, and and and I think the smartest decision they ever made, and the thing that really separates the successful m c U movies from the non successful m CU movies is casting Robert Downey Jr. Because here's the thing, especially as we go on with the m c U, as they start to build on them, you really start to realize

that these movies, because they're so formulaic, and because they become very similar in tone and theme and visually, there's a the house style that the m c U has. If it's not anchored by an actual star, they do not work. Okay, Well, who do you think is is well cast? I think Robert Downey Jr. I think that I think the actual the original cast of the Avengers, the original core Avengers cast. I think they're all stars

eating Jeremy Renner. That's the one I was forgetting. Jeremy Renner not a star um and and Mark Rufflo is probably on the bubble, but I think he acquits himself well and especially well there's a reason why there was never a solo Hulk film. There was though, but not with him, and that's technically a part of the m C. Tyler and um I think it's I totally agree. I feel like like it's grounded in these kind of very

speci a fick and singular performances. And I feel like Robert Downey Jr. At the time, like that was kind of his comeback as an actor, in addition to like the comeback of Iron Man, who no one really knew about, and Marvel too, because here's the thing, beyond the X Men movies, Marvel had never had like a good Big or Spiderman too, obviously, but like they never like really had a hit as like a solo with a solo superhero other than Spiderman and the X Men, because those

are huge, obviously recognizable properties. But like it's interesting because like you look at movies like Captain Marvel, which I don't think is the greatest movie, um and it's and listen. I think Bree Larson is an amazing actress. I think she has was amazing in Room. She deserved that Oscar like, but there's a difference between being a star and an actress.

And I do not think she has the charisma necessary to lead a Marvel movie, especially one where the character is such a cipher that, like you really need an actor who can fill in the blanks of that because the whole point of that character is that she doesn't

have a personality and she doesn't remember her personality. And if you had cast somebody like Emily Blunt, oh, I want to watch that, Like, I think it would have really been a much stronger movie because someone like that can really sort of imbue the character and sort of like give you, you you know, someone who's going to make choices. They also have to they have to like crack jokes too, you know, and that to be funny. It really like comedies such an essential part of all of it pulled together.

But like, I see why Patty Harrison should be in that. I do see the thinking behind Captain Marvel or whatever, because it's like they love throwing in you know, a Katherine Han, a Julia Louis Trifus, like Florence Welt. They love throwing people that actually already feels kind of like

part of it, So Florence View. But like, yeah, it's like these these Oscar nominated actresses or like actresses that give performances that also have a very singular sense of humans ry like kind of like the way they cast the professors on Harry Potter. Yes, it's also counterintuitive, like you wouldn't think of a Katherine Haunt in a super

hero movie. And they love to cast that way, which I think is they love to lure in, you know, these prestige actresses and then make them be the girlfriends um in a really like they're like, hey, do you want a couple million dollars so you can buy your summer house? And they're like sure, yeah, I mean why not, I'll do like Rachel McAdams, I'll do two weeks on Captain Doctor Strange. Like sure, like that's totally fine. I have herforman scene Doctor Strange. It's really fun, get really

stoned to eat a little bar of mushroom chocolate. I'm never doing the mushrooms. I think Tilda is hard to watch. You. I don't hate it. I don't hate it. I know that's problematic and I get it, and like, um, my good friend Mark Petrow has every reason to be mad about But I do think that like it is a good one. I think Bennet at Cumberbatch is a star and and can anchor them. I went into that movie thinking that I was gonna love Tilda and it came out of it being like Benedict was that girl, you

know what I mean? Um, but you were talking about prestige actresses or whatever, and like random girlfriends in the m c U. Are there like stars that have been cast as Anselar characters and the m CU that you really wish would come into the cinematic universe and like get their own superhero movie or something like that. Um. Yeah.

And I think the biggest example of this, and one of my favorite sort of like under storylines is Lupita And so like Lupida in Black Panther is amazing, and Black Panther is definitely top five like one of the best m CU movies for sure, like stylistically, like it is one of the ones that is like within the voice and tone and how style of the m c U, but does manage to make some choices that like set

it apart. But my favorite thing is is that, like when it came to The Avengers, Lupia was like, yeah, no, actually I think I'm gonna do an off Broadway play um instead, Like I I wish I could be a fly on the wall in like listening to her agents explained to Kevin Figy, like yeah, I know that, like every single other actor that has ever appeared in a Marvel movie is going to be in Endgame, But Lupida

wants to do a play at Playwrights Horizons. She pulled at Kim Control, she really did, and it doesn't make any sense that she's not in that movie. Which of the Sex and the City actresses do you think would best fit into them? See you? I weirdly think Cynthia, Okay, what in a sort of like well, I mean basically I'm thinking of a net and Captain Marvel. I mean,

what a wasted opportunity. Glenn in um in the Guardians of the Galaxy, like they're they're they're getting them minimum Glenn close and Guardians of the Galaxy, right yea, Rachel, I mean Rachel McAdams, Rachel McAdams russo the time that she plays a time traveler's wife or girlfriend. Yeah, oh, I should say the other person they couldn't get back for Infinity War, who was also Prestigie. They lured back

with a more interesting part, Natalie Portman. Now, I was so excited Natalie Portman who said, I will give you one day of reshoots on Infinity War, and otherwise you have to c g I that fucking raccoon into existing footage because I will not. Literally, the one scene that she shot for Infinity War is a scene of her in the hallway walking into the room, and everything else is existing footage from that that didn't make it into

the movie. Yeah, you can understand why Gwen had no idea that she was in any It's like they just they don't even tell. Yeah, they don't really tell. Yeah, the funeral just show up at a at a like at a sound stage in front of a green screen, stand there for like a couple of minutes and they're like, okay, by yeah, I can't even remember who it was, but

somebody who was at the Tony Stark funeral scene. They didn't tell them, like most of them could put two and two together about whose funeral they were at, but a lot of them didn't know who they were mourning. Um is insane. You think a lot about how like I mean, the way they wind these movies together. A lot of it has to do with that post credit scene.

It's like, how do they when they film those, They probably don't give a kind of context into how these they create these like many even what must that be like as an actor to to have someone say, okay, react to this, but you don't know what this is. Also side tangent, the experience of sitting in the movie theater and waiting after the credits, and then waiting a second time for the post credits. It's a humilium like

what happened with Spider Man. I waited for the second post credit scene, and it was just the Doctor Strange trailer that I had already that really made that really made me mad. Um like baby, I saw that on Twitter. Yeah. I just think that some of the movies that have come out recently are actually hindered by their the need to connect them to the larger I know, I wish because that was such a problem for me with wand of it and we're now like a year out from

when One Division really took over the culture. Um, it was so great, and then like for the whole thing because it felt so fresh and disconnected. And then you come when with the finale, which has to fit itself back into the Marvel formula and lead you back into the broader story. And I really think it, like it kind of trashed all of the storytelling because they had they had really put story first for the whole series. And then it just ends in like you know, a

big C G I battle. You can feel the mandate on a lot of these things of like you have these you bring in these amazing writers and these rooms that create these amazing stories like Wan Division, and then you can just feel the looming the like email that they got that was like Ohn, by the way, this story has to end here and it has to end this way, and like it just doesn't feel great. Like I'll say Shanxi, which I really loved. I think I

loved it too, I just watched it. I will say that the Origin m you movies are now starting to feel very formulaic in a way that like the beats

are almost all the same. I still enjoy them I said to somebody, I think to you, even over d M, I was like, I still will watch every single one of these Origin movies even though I know exactly how they will play out beat for beat, because it's like watching it's like seeing an amazing production of a Midsummer Night stream where you're like, oh my god, this one's steampunk, but like it's it's the same story that we know, but it is fun to see, like, oh, they're gonna

make Titania, you know, a robot in this one, you know, and like and see how they like remix the formula a little bit, but you still know, like because Sean she really is like very similar to Black Panther. It's very similar in Marvel. It's very similar to a lot

of the Origin movies. Well, I think it's part of why these these movies are so successful is because you can show up and just plug yourself in because they're all such archetypes in a way, and like you can come in and like not really know about the larger mythology and just like get it. I think that creates a differentiation between like who comes to these theaters because there's like the two of you that are extremely active like viewers of the movies, and like when the post

credit scene happens, you actually know what's going on. And then sometimes and then like I didn't know what was happening in the postcardit scene of Eternals, right, Well, that's like it's like two Well, it's it depends on like what order you watch them, right, because nobody watches them in order really unless you're at the theater like every single But like with me, it's like I'm such a passive viewer that like I I'm just like, oh, yeah, here for the right, here for the formula, which is

why like one division like lit my ass on fire, because even though it ends on like that formula, it is so like incredibly different from like what we've seen

before and how it starts. Yeah, and it was also anchored I think in a way that the Marvel movies sometimes aren't by like real deeply felt performances by Paul Batany and Elizabeth Like I really think that none of the would have worked, and it's it is such a cheap because like their entire relationship pulled from the comics and then sort of really shoehorned in, like it really like you see traces of it in Civil War, you see, it's like barely begun in um Age of Ultron, and

then by the time we get to end uh Infinity War or whatever, it's like, Oh, they're in a relationship, really asked to like investors in that relationship, and you have to do a lot of work of about understanding and accepting things that you don't get to see. And again it's that thing of the really good actor filling in the blanks emotionally for us, because when we get to one division, it's like, Okay, like, I'm not that

invested in this relationship. I don't really care. But they really sold like they filled in the gaps because their chemistry and the writing and the performances really made that relationship. Like I was not invested in that relationship at all, and then by the end of one division, I was like, oh, yeah, when she does the backbend, you know I was there. It's all over it. What comic book character who hasn't been in the m C you yet would you want

to see in it? Squirrel Girl? Squirrel Girl. She is like a d D D list Marvel character that has sort of been memed into popularity. I think in recent years. She in like marveled, marveled like like people. Yeah, like people are like squirrel Girl iconic and it's like, okay, but like name one thing that she's as would play squirrel Girl. Um, I think there was. There's been a bunch of fan campaigns for like Alison Bree and like different actresses like Quirk, and I feel like we will

wind up and it's absolutely absolutely she's she's read for something. Yes, she absolutely has. But like the secrecy is like an interesting, like weird thing that I think is going to hurt them as they move forward. I also think that, like even the stuff that they have done with the Multiverse, I'm I mean, I'm I cannot wait for Doctor Strange.

I think that would be very interesting. Do you think we're going to get X men in it, because that's the big rumor, because James McAvoy and Sophie Turner have both been spotted with a shaved head and red hair, respectively, and so the rumor is that because of the success or like the early success of the insertion of like the Spider Man into Spider Man, when they did all of the Doctor Strange reshoots, they went back to reshoot cameos interesting and maybe that's the way that the X

Men are wind. I would I would rather we we start over. I would rather we start anew with the X Men. I think that franchise is a little tired. Um are you? Are you an X Men girl? I win the comic books that I did buy from Marvel, We're all X Men all the time. Like Grant Morrison's run on X Men is I think amazing. Josh Weeden, I know, problematic now, but his run with Kitty Kitty

and with the Rocket, oh my god. I mean like I've cried a lot reading comic books with that, like really like gets me every time I go and return to it. If you have astonishing X Men by Joss Weed, and if you can get over that part, highly we're gonna been picking up the trade back paperbacks for those because it is really really well told. X Men definitely

is the thing that got me into superheroes. Like cartoon, no, no, well the cartoon, yes, the nineties cartoon, but really the movie and that is like what what restarted superhero culture in you know, the late nineties. Early X two I think is one of the best superhero movies. I think I was saying that before you got here that I think the best superhero movie. The best X Men movies are X two and Days the Future paste well, and I guess Logan if you're if we're counting, I haven't

seen Logan. Logan's fantastic. It is like prestige like X Men in a in a really delightful way, and I yeah, I definitely think you should check it out. It's great. Do you think as a kid, y'all, like caught we're in on the like latent queer appeal of X Men, Like it's such a lot, I mean a lot of superhero stuff. I think that's why I liked Mystique so much.

There was definitely some stuff happening there. And I also really loved Rogue, and I think Rogue there there's like a case to be made for Rogue is like, you know, a queer teen runaway, especially in the first movie, and then like you know, no Brian Singer, but like there is a lot of that in that metaphor infused. I mean, it's it's almost like bald with the have you ever tried not being mutant? Seen? Like that is like pretty much is that the one played with it by the

ugly Betty actress. Oh, Rebecca Romaine, Yes, Rebecca Romaine who So she's the original so she's basically played trans twice because mystique well. And and also the next two we get the scene between Alan Cumming and Rebecca Remain where he was like, you could be anybody? Why why don't you you know, hide basically and she says we shouldn't have to um, which is what I pass no passing. Um, So yeah, I think um the X I don't think

I love any of the X Men movies. I don't love any of the newer X Men movies nearly as much as I have loved those first two, I think and logan I do like. I think First Class has a lot of charm. I think is also very gay, also very like the Magneto Professor X stuff is pretty explicit. And I gotta say, um, our girl, what's her face? From mad Men? As a living diamond? Like oh, January January Jones as a living diamond, which is like one

of the acting at all. Thank you Grant Morrison in a in um New x Men for giving us secondary mutations that have nothing to do with the person's original powers, which is when he made Amister and Frost be able to turn into diamond. Um for no reason. It's an amazing power, Love, Joel, What what superpower would you want to have? Um? I think I'm a I'm a mind girl. I would love like the classic combo telekinesis telepathy combo. Yeah,

I think, like I do. Love. I have sort of gotten on the train of like I love like you know, if your power is only telepathy, like what are you gonna do? Like how are we going to use that in interesting ways? Like you know, fun stuff like that? But like so if I had to choose, definitely telepathy, but I would love the combo pack if I could

get it. Brand what would what would your super power if I could pick a combo, it would definitely be shape shifting and maybe invisibility like okay completely but maybe actually well I think that could be part of the shape shifting maybe not even like invisibility, but like undetect like ghost like okay, so like if you're a mystique, like you know, your scales ripple and maybe like they turn into a mirror to hide you something like that. But I want to be ghost ee. I want to

go through walls okay, so maybe something like that. So Kitty Pride, so Kitty Pride kind of yeah, Kitty Pride and Misty combo. One of my one of my favorite sort of like comic book um like moves that we've sort of moved into in the century is like there needs to be an explanation for the power. So you see a lot of like breakdowns of characters who can become invisible. It's not that they're becoming invisible, it's that they're bending light around themselves, like Fantastic four. Have you

watched the new Fantastic Four? I did, and it is I wanted it to be good so much. It's a plane movie, and like even on a plane, even on a plane, it is not good. It's this is the thing. And I love Kate Mara same. I think the superior Mara for me, Um, I disagree, but superior Mara. I wonder if they're both anti Baxers. There's going around the race an anti Baxer. I could see it. Um. But like, I definitely think like the cardinal sin of these movies

is don't be boring, don't make laugh. It is actually that's like Kevin five. Every time there's a Marvel f I gotta make route laugh. Has RuPaul ever seen a Marvel movie? Do you things? Absolutely not? I mean we're steps away from seeing a cameo. Yeah, maybe she can be the new Stanlee. Yeah, I would actually really love that. Has Michelle Vissage I ever seen a Marvel movie? No? But did you see that Michelle Vissage got turned down from UM drag Races Spana. No. She wanted to be

a judge and they said, now, oh that sucks. She she's a great judge for literally anything. Sure, but like I will say that like culturally sometimes like she is pretty like tunnel vision and like what she knows, and like the international ones. The problem with that I'd see is like imagine Michelle Facade trying to judge drag Race Spania or I'm snatch Game of Spania, you know, like it would be entertaining, but like incorrect. Yeah, I've never

watched a non US drag race. Unfortunately, I have brain rot and UM, I've seen almost I have now started to fall off now that we're getting like twelve a year, but like I have watched most of them. I will

say this about the international ones. I realized very quickly watching I think Spain that drag Race is not a show that merits my full attention, and when you have to like, I never realized how much I was on my phone watching some of the international seasons until I had to read the subtitles and I was like, oh, I don't care enough about this to like give it my one attention. It's a great phone show, and honestly,

like Marvel movies are good phone movies. Okay, you say that, but also like I as an extremely passive viewer of the Marvel movies, some would say groundbreaking, lee passive, I truly like I watched in Infinity War? Is that what it's called Infinite War? Last night? I know you watched Age of Ultron and I watched I watched Age of Ultron the night before. Anyways, watched um Infinity War. About forty minutes in. I realized I went to the theater

alone and fell asleep during this movie. So I like there were multiple scenes where I was like, oh, I remember waking up to this and and seeing that and

then going back to well. We also, friend and I watched Winter Soldier the other night in preparation of this, because you and I had had this fight where you called me a transwhobic slur and I noticed a couple of times like her getting her phone out, and I said it was like, I was like, friend, can you just like pay attention during this part because I don't want to have to explain it to you and you still had to explain it to me probably, um, yeah, I mean the thing to me is like and this

is what I was trying to say earlier about like active versus passive watchers is like something that I've discovered, especially getting to know you, Rose, and like how you've kind of inducted me into this and honestly, like I did not have a real fan like interest in the m c U until maybe Wan Division, because even though I had watched so many Marvel movies, I wasn't interested in the entwined world until I was so emotionally invested

in Wanda. And unfortunately, I think it was like episode four or five and I turned to Rose and I was like, oh, Wanda was in the Avengers and I had like fully watched like several Avengers movies and I didn't ever pick up that, you know, Elizabeth Wilson was there. Okay, I have a very important question which is what do you think is Scarlett's worst wig? All of them very important? Well, I mean, I think it's probably Iron Man too. I think it's the first couple of wigs that they were

really struggling to figure out the wig situation. That fight scene, that first fight, the scene that she does not not in like the boxing ring, but like when she's in her full Black Widow regalia, I think is icon. Yeah, it was great. Um. I don't love the ombree wig that they felt they needed to do for her, like like, why would she cut her She's too morose, she can't, can't five years she never cut her hair. It's like, okay girl. When we were watching Winter Soldier, she also

did an amazing wig reveal of the Wigsraxy Andrew. Yes, it was what's your favorite Scarlet wig? Bin, I haven't watched enough of I don't think I differentiated the wigs. I think her best hair is in Black Widow. I think Scarlett's us performance. I was gonna say Black Widow, but I actually felt like more compelled by the other three actors in that movie. More than is a start,

and I do think sin Field delivered. I'm sold. I do kind of think that like Scarlett should have been in the opening scene and then it should have been like a younger you know, yeah, I will say the real smoke and mirrors and the magic trick of the m c U. And again goes back to my point of like why casting is so important is that, like that character was a cipher through almost the entire run

of her movies. She just was whatever they needed. They yeah, exactly, and they like they deliberately kept vague they like, you know that her uterus was stolen and like and then they kept pivoting and pivoting and pivoting and pivoting and pivoting. The romance between her and Hulk completely like deserted, Like they would start things and dessert them almost immediately with her, and it was like Black Widow was like the opportunity to really like close the loop and like really definitively

say like this is who this person is. And again, the whole point in the movie was that like she sort of doesn't know who she really is, and like she felt like more of a supporting character to the actual story of this family. It became kind of like a family comedy at some points when they were all sitting at the dinner table and stuff like that. Okay, so what even not, fran I want to know, even like not knowing anything that happens in the Marvel Comics universe.

What is like the craziest prediction you have for the next phase of Marvel or gayest. I mean, it's not a crazy prediction, it's it's so hard to separate, like when when, because I'm so in like the sub credits and I'm like, you know, I'm an active participant in all the boards. But like, I think Elizabeth Wilson is being set up to be the big bad for this next phase. Like, I think that's very interesting and it's very true to like what happens in the comic books.

I think be a really interesting way to get the X Men into the oh real quick sidebar the fake out in wand Vision with the X Men furious. Yeah, I was you, I was convenued. Evan Peters played Quicksilver in The Sony X Men or is it Sony Fox? The Fox X Men basically before it was owned by before they had exactly and um uh, Aaron, what's the

hot guy who? Aaron Taylor Johnson played her Quicksilver in the m c U dies in Age of Ultron, as you just saw in one division, they like bring back Pietro and it's Evan Peters and everyone's like, oh my god, this is how they're going to get the X Men. And it's some machination of her creating like the universe and like bringing in like the uh Fox Quicksilver instead, and then it just was like a complete Red Herring

fake out. And and then like even actually made me really mad because it's sort of um, like the head shot that he reveals, Like why is that in that confusing? Like that felt messy to me by the end. I wasn't it so much into that? I am curious. Actually, just a very rudimentary question. You're talking about like maybe some least favorite additions to m c like you were talking about Hawkeye, didn't love Captain Marvel or whatever. What are like the the heroes or like characters where you're

just like Marvel. You cannot make me care about this, you know what I mean, like aunt Man or whatever. I mean, I don't care about aunt Man. I like the first aunt Man movie a lot. Actually again it's it's a it's a heist movie and a Marvel movie. I can't. I can't do Guardians of the Gallupy you and I don't care about that. I loved the first Guardians, I will say, Chris Pratt, sort of it's really hard to separate now, crisp Ratt. Yeah, I will say it's really tough for me because the MC has made me

care about characters that I have never cared about. I I do not, never cared about Iron Man, never cared about Thor, never certainly cared about Captain America. You know, like all of these men that I like suddenly care about. It is like, so they have done Hung Chi certainly, Like, um, it was like sort of might take on that was I was like, yes, there is only one canonically Asian superhero, but maybe we just take a better one and make

him Asian. Like I don't know that I necessarily like I find this the most compelling story to tell, but like, I think they pulled it off well and I think

Aquaphina is a star clearly. And I will also say this is the other thing that was crazy about Chungchi and Aquapina is like, of course I want Aquaphina to continue on in the m CU, but when the when the Hung or whatever his name is calls them and he's like, your guy's life about to change, and it's like, well, why is her She's not a Yeah, I was like, she's not a part of this. And also she learned how to be an expert level archer. And although the

time I cannot wait. I cannot wait for the eventual next Avengers movie when Hayley Steinfeld and Aquafina have a moment when they're like both shooting, because you know that will happen. I think part of like what my apathy towards the Avengers and a lot of movies like entailing these multi superhero movies is like I mean, like call me crazy, but like I do crave like films that

are not about the end of civilization, very basic. I do love Spider Man, so Rose and I have talked before about how like I love that a lot of what Spider Man deals with, even though there is end of the world stuff, is on the micro He's a friendly neighborhood Spider Man. It's like it's good when the

stakes are a little lower. That's why I I think Homecoming is one of my favorite MCU movies, and it's in my top three of this period Spider Man movies, Like I think the first two Toby McGuire movies and Homecoming are the three best Spiderman movies. And it's in large part because of that, because the stakes are very low, because he's very bad and you see and and it's also the thing about Spider Man Homecoming is that you don't really feel in any of the other Spider Man

movies is it's a high school movie. It is a high school movie, and you really feel the age and you feel that the youth of that character in a way exactly like Andrew. Andrew and Toby like them them. I actually saw Okay, so I haven't seen the Andrew Garfield movies. They're all on YouTube, so but I saw a TikTok recently that was talking about how they are a direct product of Twilight. Oh absolutely, I literally said

the same thing. My boyfriend and I watched them um as quimbies because we I didn't want to sit down and watch them, but for a couple of weeks we would watch them at ten minutes at a time, just a quick bite, just a quick bite of Andrew Garfield movies. But like, yeah, it is definitely such a broody like you can tell it is so two thousand twelve, like the vibe, it is such a product of its time in a way that like doesn't really work for me

as a Spider Man movie. I think m a star like really makes those movies fun and watchable in a big way. Andrew an amazing actor. Do I think he's Peter Parker or Spider Man? Do we think Cruella exists in the m C? You would love to see that. I'm so sad because there were so many rumors that Emma Stone was going to be in no way home as Spider Gwen likes as a reality maybe that, you know, maybe five years from now that and then maybe Katherine Han could come back as doc. Yeah, I mean, what's

House of Harkness going to be? Like? I don't know, is it gonna be charged? You don't care? I love Catherine Han, I loved Agathe as much as everybody else, But I I am like, what is this story going to be? And why should I care? Like if it's if it's a prequel to how she got to where she is, I don't know that. I'm wet. I think we got enough of that in that one episode. Personally, I'm just so attracted to the a story and encapsulated

story that might be completely outside I think. I also, I know, I hope it doesn't fall into that pattern where it does that for the whole season and then the last episode she gets into a big battle and like Gwyneth Paltrow takes off her Iron Man mask, like you know, well that's the that's the thing, and but this is I guess, like I would like it if

it's stuff contained. Because the other big problem, and I think the smart the smartest thing they have done is like, and I think this is a two way decision, is Robert Downey Jr. And Chris Evans both leaving. Because one of my biggest problems now with the expansiveness of this shared universes is that they're not doing as good a

job of tracking character development across these films. What piste me off about Endgame is all of the character development that we saw in Ragnarok, they completely ignored an endgame. Like when we got to Fat Thor, it was like and then like all the stuff about him not wanting to lead and all of this stuff, and it's like, well, then, what did we just watch in this last film? Yeah,

because it was so good. Yeah, it really was. It was like, oh, we finally see this character move forward and become something different and sort of grow and mature, and then they completely for a visual joke of about his fucking pop belly. We're going to throw it all away, Like it just didn't. It's like, I want them to do a better job, and like I'm worried. I'm so excited to see Natalie carry the hammer. I mean, I just that video of her at Comic Con, excited for

more tests to I haven't been this excited since Fox Lux. Okay, like, oh, okay, now we won't go into box Lux. I'll come back in a couple of months in the public world, but box Lux does exist in in the m c U. I think it's you. She's like, she's like Dazzler. Dazzler Dazzler is x men who like her power has to do with singing. She can turn no, she can turn

sound into light. So she's like she was creating the seventies as like a disco star that was also I mutant um and like Lady Gaga was for many years rumored to be at some point at some point, but as who because it's not. It won't be Dazzler. Maybe like Emma Frost, a rebooted Emma Frost. That could be cool if they put g gun into you. I really hope it's something that's more contained, like I would. I just think that there, what's the accent? Yeah, that's that's true.

Is that she she will be like, well, I'm only going to do the role if I can do an ax. I would love to see her as Madam Webb in a future Spider Man, just like in like to like teeny tiny black sunglasses and like sitting on a giant like magical spider web like fashion dictating. You know. Um, you were talking earlier about how like, um, there was a turn in how they were making superhero movies that

like left out like camp in some ways. Obviously like new Marvel movies are still so funny and can play into things like that. But like I will say, like it would be amazing for someone to write now it doesn't have to be like Marvel a d C, but for someone to make like a superhero movie that did feel like you know, the Arnold Schwarzenegger and where he literally was on set screaming, remember we're making a cartoon. Yeah, like that is like because that movie for sure is

like maybe my favorite superhero movie period. It's so fun. I mean the nipples nipples um, as I told Lady Freeze when I pulled her plug show, um, Poison Ivy was such a queer awakening for like so many girls. Her entrance. Oh yeah, well this is I mean, like many gay boys. If there's a woman fighting in a movie, like give it to me, like put it in my vein, especially if they're a villain. Because her whole thing was that she just you know, wanted to repopulate the earth

with plants. She thought like people were. Poison Ivy was right, which is which is actually now brings us back because maybe I do agree with you that Ragnarok is the gayest m CU movie because it's the only one with a great female villain. It is crazy see that we are not seeing more and better female characters in the m c U. Well Thanos is maybe like social culturally queer, like I feel like, and I also, I mean if there's a lot of chosen family going on with with

Fantas as well. His daughters not biologically related, but he said we are family, were family, Yeah, and I mean the fact that his sole mission is to like end our conscious existence because he knows that existence like only entail suffering. I mean that's very queer like fans was right, honestly was written on the urnal in Hawkeye, we should have been that we should have been snapped? Would okay? Would you have been snapped? No? Why who do you think of the two of us would have been snapped?

I think you really think so. But then we have to watch Rose emotionally process that. I would have moved on pretty quickly, I know, but that's why it's not a very compelling story. That's not a whole movie. Um. Before we go, though, I have to ask what did you think of eternals? What do we think of the gay representation that we're getting internals in Richard Madden, I just want a fucking fag get, you know what I mean? Like I thought that it's cool to see a kiss,

it's cool for them to be here. His power was super lame, like he there were so many primary characters that I don't think any of them had their moment they should have. You could have used some editing. Eternals is maybe one of the biggest misses that they've had in recently. And also I was shocked that Thanos wasn't I mean, like Thanos is an eternal or whatever? Right, yes, so like I'm I was shocked that they like, yeah,

he's an eternal canonically. Oh, I didn't know that. I will say that, going back to the very first point of like needing to be a star to lead these movies. I love Gemma not a star. I didn't realize she was going to be like the anchor. The anchor. It didn't work. I thought she was very compelling actually, but because there are so many there was no center to me. Also, that sex scene was weird as fuck. Yeah, it was tough. I think that, like, there's so many interesting things they

could have done with that little girl. I mean, fucking interview with the vampire did it better? Yeah, you want to talk about little being stuck as a little girl for centuries, like give us some real like like then they just forgive her and like you a chance powers kids, Yeah, it's like, oh, we I made that a tree. I don't know how, and then they never really explain how. I don't I don't understand like the power threshold, like

how powerful they are the degenerates or whatever. We're just like like generic spaghetti monsters that didn't really come into play at the end. I thought they would join forces or something at the end that made more sense. Generic spaghetti monsters. Like they did feel like the ones from Quiet Place. Yeah, they felt like the Quiet Place monsters. They felt like the machines in the Matrix. They felt like literally like all the every monsters in Infinity War,

the ones that come down from the well. And you know, it's crazy. In the comic book, Angelina Jolie's character and the generate that she like ends up killing and fighting at the end there um have kids and like fall in love and like, I really like much more interesting than what they actually ended up doing. They did kind of, it was kind of they squandered one. One really fun fact that Rose and I learned, though, is that Angelina Jolie and Lady Gaga had the same dialect coach and

it was Doree Kemsley. They literally, you know, both worked with the same person. It was amazing. I'm just happy that I got to touch Angelina Jolie's blonde wig um during my Eternal set visit and walk on the spaceship. But also like of all of this, of all of the Marvel sets to visit, like kind of the lamest one. Yeah, I was Salma having quite a year. I will say she was under utilite. She's been having a good couple of years. I think since like a boss ship she's

amazing and which also exists in the MC. She was underutilized in both House of Gucci and I think she was utilized perfectly the right amount in do we think? Do we think Das will be part of Phase five? No? Stop it. It's the first non binary character in the Yeah, I can't wait to be the first woman to be misgendered in a Marvel Yeah. Actually that's going to be like my groundbreaking. How do you think they're going to incorporate transnarratives into the m c um badly by dead

naming someone? Yea. I mean this just reminds me that ultimately we need an adventure who eats us literally though, and that is enough. These adventures that are like sexually fluid or whatever. That is the platform of this podcast, that's our stands. How are you gonna how are you gonna save the world if you're afraid of Giardia? Okay, Like, yeah, We will be back next week with the gushion on

Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Finally, we will be joined by Evan ross Katz, the gay Buffy Expert, which I will say because I'll guess, I'll consider myself the trance Buffy Expert. In the meantime, if you've never watched Buffy, catch up watched some episodes. You can also always call us to confess the thing that you are so obsessed with in pop culture that you have to force feed it to all of your friends and loved ones. You can call us at three to three Pennance. That's three two three

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Virgins chow Rose. Also, there's an episode. I was going to send you a voice, Mamil last night, but it was two o'clock in the morning. Unfortunately, they do an episode in New Zealand and they take a photo shoot in hobbiton they take a photo in the how now you've piqued my interest and now they take a photo in the Hobbit door. When are we? When are we going to do a Lord of the Rings episode on location in News Zealand? And I will and you know I will be dressed as sexy Gandalf, no joke, We

should probably just Gandalf. We should do it like or no, I'll go I'll be a ring race. We have to like we should. If there's anyone listening who's like part of the like New Zealand Tourism Board or something and wants to send us to New Zealand to do like a Lord of the Rings tour for free. Oh, actually that's a legitimate thing. Yeah, please Phoebe put this in and put this in the episode. We we will do anything. We will do literally anything to be able to go

to Hobbitons. So many deliverable you know, I'll follow your little itineraries. I will show whole for the Hobbit Hole. Okay, we gotta go by