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vocal fry to that? That's pretty good and also very topical because today we are talking about the queen of baby voices, vocal fry, and social media. We are talking about Paris Hilton, her impact on pop culture and the simple life and joining us to do it is a host of Peak two thousand's Sydney Washington, amazing hilarious comedians

in our podcast role. She's so good at the commentary, has been on the comedy scene for quite sometime and is kind of the comedians comedian Like every comedian you will ever meet, especially in the queer space, loves Sydney Washington and we love her too, and we're so excited to deconstruct Harris Hilton Today because this is like a virgin the show where we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose, damn you, and I'm Fran Toronto. That's hot,

that's hot living. Are you sliving? No? Absolutely not. You're not slaying and living. Never in my life would I slive. I saw two movies this week that are in contention for a Movie of the year. Okay, what were they? Roasts? So the first one, which is, if I'm being honest, is what will truly win? It was down Nabby a new era. I know you're not an I know you're not a down to Nista. I'm not. I'm not going to be shady about it, though, thank you. I really

appreciate it. I I would never put disrespect on Dowton Nabby's name. Never. It was incredible. It was so fun. I remember nothing from the first Downton Nabby movie and did not finish the series. I fell off around season four because I'm a die hard Matthew Girly. Yeah, Matthew dies at the end of season three. Are there after his child is born? They're like long episodes, right, and is it like how many episodes per season? Like twenty six no, no, no,

it's it's it's British TV. So they're always like, even before American TV was doing ton episode seasons, British TV was already doing that, so they're pretty sure you can get through them very quickly. But they usually do a Christmas special. The Christmas special at the end of season two Reigns Supreme, that's the one where Mary and Matthew finally get together, and I do watch it every Christmas. But the movie was so good, so fun, the girls were girling, there was gay stuff, there was a trip

to the French riviera. I screamed several times. And then the other film I saw that could be movie of

the Year is Top Gun Maverick Um. It's a kind of similar situation and that I was missing crucial info about the source material, but it was a more glaring hole because I have never seen the original Top Gun, right, But we were together the night before at our friend La Las, and we put on the original Top Gun and La La fast forwarded through I would say, nine percent of it, so we could watch cumulatively about two minutes of so like the volleyball scene, which there is

a call back to in the sequel, but but they played football, and it's it's as if there is a watermark across the film that says, no homo on it, no homo um. Filmed by Bruce weber Um. But it was so fun. The action was really good. Tom Cruise was amazing. Jennifer Connolly's hair was disgusting. It was like the highlights were awful and there were these huge barrel curls. It was just not right. But everyone in it was really hot and it did not matter at all that

I did not know what happened in the first one. Okay, I feel like this is a question for heterosexual culture, so I don't know why I'm asking it, But like, I don't understand what the hype around this movie is because Top Gun is like everyone's favorite movie, and I have no doubt that it's a good movie, but I just every time I try and watch it, I can't really latch on. And everyone's saying this sequel is phenomenal, So like I kind of I kind of want to

go watch it just to hop on. But like when La La gave us her famed, you know, abridged version of the movie, um, I I was just like I was like, no, I still don't know if this is for me. It's super fun. I don't think you specifically need to see it in theaters, but I think six months from now, watch it on a plane. You have a great time. Okay, Yeah, it's a plane movie. It's a plane movie. It's well, it's literally a movie about planes.

Would be perfect to watch on a flight. You know, I must call you and I must call you in You've named two movies that were contenders for Movie of the Year, and yet we saw another movie together this week that you did not include, and that is Fire Island, which is coming out on third You're right, and that I did not name, not as movie of the Year when I was going to call it movie of the Summer, which is sary different thing of the millennium, of the millennium.

Jolkin Booster is sitting at home right now listening to this podcast in the shower. Yeah you look so hot right now, Joel. Fine, because Tom Cruise is actually in the shower with Joel sucking him off, not his fan fiction. Oh yeah, yes, fran and I had the extreme privilege and pleasure of going to a special advanced screening of Fire Island last week at the Director's Guild of America in a very large theater filled with fagot filled with gays.

We were not sure we were at the location, and then we saw a couple of miss Honeys strutting across sunset, and I knew we were in the right place. But we saw the film and it was I think the first time the cast had seen it in a theater full of people, which was another privilege. Yes, and also the cast was there was great to see, you know, the girls Joel Matt Bowen Fran did not know that it's a Pride and Prejudice adaptation, No I did, I did,

I did, but maybe the virgins do. Um. Fire Island is is um, you know, a new take on Pride and Prejudice, written by Joel Can Booster who also plays the lead. He and his group of you know, good judies go to Fire Island every summer to stay with their you know mother figure played by Margaret cho and there's a lot of you know, romcom shenanigans. It was delish and I, you know, I did know as a Pride and Prejudice adaptation, but I had not revisited Pride

and Prejudice. The movie in life, so I couldn't really remember any of the different characters, and I actually need to watch the care a version tonight TVH. But I have to say down the line, Joel a leading man.

I was swept away, sexy, charismatic, leading man, had amazing chemistry with his co star who is the guy from How to Get Away with Murder but also a flawed character, a character that you kind of see flaws in and you're not sure if they're going to be reconciled, and then there they come to fruition in a really beautiful way. Then Bowen was phenomenal. Bowen was Bowen is going to be a movie star. They're all going to be there to bear by. I was so moved by Bowen's performance.

He was funny, he was so vulnerable. His scenes were definitely some of the more emotional ones. He and Joel their their real life friendship translated so well into their on screen relationship. Um and then Matt Roger's friend of this podcast, who was on last week. If you haven't listened, please go do Um like stole every scene he was in CHEW. I mean, did not miss a moment to

make every line count, make get every laugh. He was so funny, and matt se partner Tamas Matos, was just like so fun They were these kind of two like gay idiots that are like always in your friend group. Obviously, Margaret Trow was phenomenal. I wish that I had like a matriarch of my Fire Island house like her. The villain of this movie Hilarious is exactly to fill in exactly the villain you want out of a movie called

Fire Island like that was so well done. And then, honestly, James Scully, the heart throb of the movie and Bowen's kind of romantic interest, plays this character that, like on paper, is someone that like I don't want to funk with, like someone who is emotionally manipulating me or taking me for granted, or I have so many reasons to hate this character, and James forces you to fall in love with this person with his gooey puppy dog eyes. I mean,

speaking of heart throbs. Conrad Rick Amorra, who plays Foles love interest, I thought was an excellent Mr Darcy so very cold, but you know his scenes with Joel especially, there's one scene where they're dancing together at the underwear party, which is like very hot. And this movie does the thing that I was the most interested to see how the movie would do, which was capture the essence of Fire Island as a place and make it into a

character in and in and of itself. Like, I don't think you can call a movie fire Island unless you really feel the presence of the location. And as people who have spent a lot of time there, I think like we can comfortably say that Joel and the director did such an amazing job of letting people who have been in that space, like I feel like they're in on the joke and like they're seeing like a real version of what that place is like. And also I think capturing in a way that people who have never

been there will will very much get the vibe. Yeah, And like, you know, if I didn't know anybody in this movie, like I would probably look at the Fire Island promo and be like a whole movie about Fire Islands, Like there's no I can trust that this is going to be done in a way that I'm going to enjoy, to be honest, but like this movie perfectly encapsulates the

fact that there are two different kinds of trips. You can have on the island, and one of them is filled with you know, whiteness and body fascism and elitism and like really toxic standards of like how you fuck people and stuff like that. And then the other is like, you know, nice dinner around like a cozy little environment

where women are present, you know, like God forbid. Like you know, I went to High Tops after the screening to chat with like Joel and Bowen and Matt and like all the folks that had gone after, and we were talking about that kind of just like bizarre thing that happens on the island where we all just become worm brained and like fixated on like fucking for no reason. And it's kind of like it creates this really like

hideous kind of mindset. Um. And I I feel like um when every time I've gone to Fire Island, I've gone with all of my faggot friends. We like go in heels, like general conforming swimsuits, and like we like kind of you know, break our way into like grinder parties and like places we don't really want to be in, but it's fun to just go and take up space even if we don't belong. And I never really thought that I personally was going to be represented by this movie,

and I really did feel that. Also complete side note, High Tops has amazing food. I cannot stress enough that High Tops in West Hollywood has hand dipped corn dogs, trays of nachos that could feed this country. Okay, will Caesar salad that has Marcona almonds, which is the most expensive almond that money can buy. Rows it is cannot cannot wait for the Fire Island sequel West Hollywood, and

it's Fay Tops is prominently prominent location. You know. I think we still don't know what the song in the Summer is going to be, but one contender is definitely the new Rena say Alma song This Hell, which is like country vibes. Joanne Goes to the Underworld. Joanne Goes the Underworld. That's a really good seal. Yes. Oh, also drag Race Frand and I watched it together on Friday, which I think will be the last time we watched together for a while because she's about to go to

New York for a month, sad for me. The main takeaway of this episode, even though I am enjoying this season of television, is that it's really hard to watch the judges be completely barred from making a negative critique. It is insane. It's really are old me saying complimentary things barely even anything that is a borderline constructive criticism. Yeah, and I just like I get it, I get it.

It's an all winner season. I'm sure it was part of why these queens even said yes, is they were told that they would not be dragged for their performance. But it is it just feels like so dissonant because some people are not performing. Well, yeah, some people aren't. And like I, you know, I don't need to see these girls get taken down. I just want to hear the judges say what's on their mind. And I feel like you can give a negative critique while still being constructive.

But honestly, I need to get on the reddit boards because I feel like it must have taken a lot to convince the judges that they're not allowed to make negative critiques, Like that's insane. Well you have fun on the drag race reddit boards. That's the place I would truly rather I I'm really to be honest, I'm not gonna do it. I'm just gonna make Justin do it. Our our friend Justin really is the Reddit board queen and and he'll fetch information and bring it back to me.

But speaking of conspiracy theories, I finished the new season of Stranger Things finished, finished how many hours? It's because I had watched the first four episodes like three months ago, because I had access to them at work obviously, and very fun season. I do like, I get splitting them and the need for a cliffhanger. Um, but it's still just like at the end of the season, did feel like, Oh no, I wanted one. I wanted one more. I wanted a little bit more wrapping up than what we got.

But we only have to wait until July, I think for part two of season four. Also, France hasn't gotten there yet. You've only watched the first two episodes, but um, but will you at least know that in the first episode, Max is listening to Kate Bush. Yes, this does a Kate Bush moment return, Oh honey, don't. This is a spoiler free conversation. Spoiler free conversation, but I will just say this, Kate Bush is so powerful. This is something we have always known to be true, and it is

amazing to see it confirmed on on television. It's so boring to like talk about how good this show is, but like I will say that, like I am continually blown away by how cinematic and like the theatrical quality that every single episode brings. This season is really scary, though like it's not it's not scary, okay, okay, babe. But in terms of if if the if the Virgins cant, I have not found it scary, and I think this is important context for the Virgins. If you are a

Rose stranger, things really not that scary. But if you are a Ran and your threshold of scariness is maybe slightly lower, if not a lot lower, I will say that this is a really really graphic, spooky, spooky season. I I mean, like every season is there are definitely there are thrills and chills, and all of every season brings thrills and chills, But for some reason, I never

remember that. I always just remember like the action sequences and how like kind of heartwar member body knows exactly, which by the way, Millie is like God, her character is breaking my heart over and over again. Oh um. I was gonna say the lesbian character got a slightly slightly more lesbian haircut, which I appreciate. Um, I it could be more like, it could be choppier. And did you notice that the girl that she has a crush on is and from and with an E fuck off

with the funk all the way off? Did you notice that there was that one cop um in the second episode? I think that was played by that the guy from Search Party. Yes, the lead from Search Party. I think he has been the for the whole show. Oh he has been. He was phenomenal. I I he he fits so perfectly into like a thrills and chills genre. I love thrills and chills, Mama, That's what the summer is all about. Also, um, some personal news moment um, I

recently left my job at Netflix. Um. I've been working there for a little over two years doing l g B t Q plus audience work, and now I'm excited to just like be me a full time I guess free agent. Yeah, so um, you know, obviously still doing this podcast, but like I I think for the first time in a while, am open up to a lot of new opportunities, whether that's like writing for TV, maybe like doing a column somewhere, working on a book. So

I will say that to anyone listening. If you work in any of those worlds, Um, my d M s are open. I'm sure you could figure out a way to email me or contact me, um and feel free to do so. Yes, higher, Rose, actually hire both of us. To hire both of us, hire both. We're writing partners. We're a package deal. You can't hire one without the other. That's how it goes. You're like, I don't know, but

I don't know about that. Um. Yeah, So in case, in case, any virgin has been listening to the past, like however, you know thirty whatever episodes and you've been wondering why we almost never talk about Netflix intellectual property, now you know? Um yeah, Rose, that's really it. Rose quit so that she could talk about stranger things on the podcast I did. I was really the only I

need to get to freely say something nice about stranger things. Yes, seriously, say something actually very complimentary about like how is it's a great season of television? Um. I just have to say, as someone who has quit their job three times in a very dramatic way, with no job to land on, to be a freelance girl, to follow your dreams and aspirations, I have never in my life regretted it. If you are sitting at home and thinking about quitting your job,

do it, like I. I cannot recommend it enough. Work sucks, Every job sucks. We were not born to work, we were born to live, and being your own boss is like the only way to do life period. Like I every time I've quit my job, it has been phenomenally hard. It's been difficult. It's been like, you know, on the money level, on the work ethic level, on you know, the mental health level, in every different terrain. It's really

really hard. But I've never regretted it. And um yeah, I just have to say I'm so proud of you, Rose, and I hope that you're a model uh for everyone else on here to to to do the thing that you love, which is never report to anyone. Could never be on slack ever again, Yes, or I could just be a model if you need me for a Pride campaign, I know, getting it in at the last minute, but

I am available. The great resignation has begun. I will predict for Pride actually that there are going to be a lot of post Pride campaigns, Like I think the girls are going to be launching things July one and they're gonna be I think the corporations are going to be like, we celebrate Pride sixty five days a year. Here's our campaign, blah blah blah. Like that's my kind

of like trend alert for the summer. You have a podcast about early odds culture and who is more of a patron saint of the early odds than Paris Hilton and kind of to blame for most of the things currently wrong with our society. Absolutely, But I don't think she was thinking about that at the at the time.

I think she was truly being an icon by being herself in all totality, like she's I'm doing anything and everything that's going to make sure that I'm at the top and that people are gonna be talking about me and people are gonna know I'm going to have like an empire. So she did the damn thing. Was your entryway into her the simple life? Yes? Yes, I did. I really really. It's annoying, like on paper, it's like these rich girls have to do normal people things and

be with the pores. That's gross. But they were funny and they were they were and they understood the assignment and they weren't like rude about it, and they're like, listen, this is gonna be for everybody. And they were very much themselves but also hilarious. So we can't be mad at that. We just we can't. And I didn't grow up watching it, but like The Simple Life really was like a product of like reality TV at that time, and you were saying, like, on paper, this is really gross.

But like when he came out, like no one was thinking about like classes or thinking about like whiteness, white women, like in the way that we talk about them now, And like, I think that there is a world where in like something like The Simple Life could exist in you know, twenties, but like not in the way that they were doing it. You know, would have to be commenting.

I don't I think either people for it to have worked when it did, they had a type of self awareness that allowed them to do the bullshit that they did.

But also they're like, I'm not going to be like out of out of control like a chet Hanks or whatever, like, but if we do it now, people are too woke, so even there to work where there there's no self awareness and the whole time, and it won't and you could just tell when things are curated and not like it doesn't just roll off their time, because Harris and Nicole were very much willing to um, they were in on the joke, They were willing to be the joke,

and they definitely were willing to laugh at themselves, which is they look very stupid and a lot of the show absolutely and they like I think that Harris Nicole's self awareness actually evaded a lot of people, Like a lot of people thought that they were genuinely dumb and like even like, um, like I remember, like I was, I can't remember what clip I was watching, but like people you know what I mean, Like because they weren't that.

I mean, I think that you know, they're both probably a little dumb, but like I think that when they want watching this back, didn't realize that it's like a full character, and like Harris kind of did because I feel like in recent years she has talked more about how she was playing a character. Although maybe that's like a bit of Rhett Conning. Yeah no, that's that's her publicists telling like that, that's her whole team, Like no, no, no, no, they it was a bit. It was a bit like

nobody knew about bits back then. I also think it does help that in the when the first season came out, they were not extremely famous like they were. You know, obviously these very privileged women going into this situation. But it's not like if I worked on a farm today and they sent I don't know who is the like Addison Ray, and I was like, I just saw you

on TikTok and now you're at my farm. It wasn't so here's the Obviously Paris is like the primordial influencer, but like, I actually feel like she was more of a I think that what she was famous for right before The Simple Life was a lot of like New York socialite stuff like Kelly ben Simone era, like who else was like a New York socialite type, And because like New York socialites, I just think of early real house life of New York kind of because New York

socialites that was like an era that doesn't really exist. It was actual, but like people don't write about socialites the way they used to. Like socialites in New York used to be these kind of like nano influencer types that everyone knew about, at least at the metropolitan level, but they were not like famous, No. I think what

Blue Paris up was. She did a photo shoot with in her grandma's house and it was, I mean, the clothes non existent, the makeup, hair, I mean tracks showing like it was, oh my god, the hair extension incredibly clocky. But but I love that because it was they were like, we are not perfect. We don't want to be perfect. The eyeline, eyeliner is going to be smudge. I mean, the die job not that good. The artifice was the point. And let me tell you, Spoiled Princess, like low rise

brat Stall aesthetic is now like that. It is like fully the aesthetic you know it is, but you're also looking at them like girl, but it's they're not They're not owning it. It looks like a costume. But like then it actually felt like a vibe We're gonna walk, We're gonna rock this all day. This is not just for a particular party. This is the look for Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

Early as mid drift culture was like a full moment, like every single celebrity at the time had like the little like inch and a half of like you know, middrift showing mid drift, but we're doing belly button rings. Um. And at that time people could actually have like hips, like wide hips, and like the stomach's just looked real. I just felt like I was so close to being one of those girls, even though we're not in the

same like class or socio economic status or whatever. I felt like I could dress like Paris and Nicole and almost be like two steps away from being them. Harris and Nicole were wearing like juicy guitar, which like you could go to the mall and buy, and were they wearing Abercrombie and Fitch theah, oh my god. I uh so you were talking about how like you were drawn

to the aesthetic when you first started watching. Is there anything else about Simple or just Paris Hilton in general that you were like drawn to or you remember kind of connecting with. Well, it was it was also like the friendship too, because it was like Paris by herself, you like, Paris is the bitch, but Paris next to Nicole, Oh, actually she's not really a bit. You know. They bring out they bring out like really good sides of each other.

They do like Sillin Bill the like son of Song Song and those are my favorite moments of the show when they were like teaming up and you know, they were it was like them on one side in the world on the other it wasn't. It was just like that. You can see that in any type of like friendship vibe, you know, like there's always the one that's more alpha, and then there's another one that's like, Okay, I kind

of do whatever you want me to do. And I even though at that time I didn't have like a best friend like Paris, I kind of went into college like hoping that I would find my Paris. Did you know I was a smotor I was one of those people that just couldn't stick to one group. I guess I always wondered with Harrison Nicole and you know, their their feud is a huge part of the legacy of their friendship was how much of it was real and

how much of it was. Like they cast Paris and they were like, do you have a friend who would work for this? And she picked Nicole, and then she had another there was Nicole wasn't first pick. She was the first pick. Kimberly Stewart. Kimberly Kimberly Stewart that, yeah, she really Kimberly Stewart. She was supposed to be with Kimberly Stewart, and she also asked other people and they were like no, thank you, And finally it was like, Okay,

I guess I'll do Nicole. And Nicole was the mood at that time, and he was like, yeah, she was just like this badass, like, yeah, I'm not really doing my hair, I'm not the skinniest. Well, she was definitely the more active of them because she was the one who always got them into the trouble. And then Harris was just like a little lazy even like she kind

of had a lazy character. Yeah. One of my favorite moments of the first season is they go out to a bar and they each find like a boy to make out with, and like the boys are probably under age and it's probably not a celebrate and Nicole is making up with this boy and she like comes up her Aaron goes, you smell like onion. You have like a favorite scene from earlier Simple Life seasons or favorite

like sticks. When they were at Sonics Salty Animals Burgers, Salty Animal Burgers, Wait, give me the content, they had to like put they had to do the sign um, and they wrote salty Anal Burgers and I just was like, first of all, Sonic is like supposed to be like a home like family restaurant or whatever, drying Yeah, and for them to put that on there at that time was such a big deal because it's like who's first of all, who's talking about No one needs to know.

No one's saying you know, they're like but or maybe even asked. But I mean, they really did not give a damn and no one was saying any Basically, they pretty much they CEO of an absolutely. So I really just enjoyed watching them work there and then being so bad, like they were so bad like putting the French fries and it was just like get them out of here. They should not be working and they weren't. Although although although I mean, the thing the thing with Paris is

like everyone always said she's famous for being famous. She doesn't have a job, um, but she is. She does have this huge empire that when The Simple Life came out, she very intentionally built. She was doing movies. She was in that movie House of Wax movie that's sex tape. Yeah, Like that's the real thing. When we paint the kind of like timeline of Paris. It was New York socialite after being a Hilton photos and then I think sex tape. Sex tape was before and then simple I mean the

sex tape was leaked. She didn't have anything to do with it. It was literally sexual assault. And she talks about it being like very traumic. It wasn't. It wasn't the move at the time, like you know sex tapes where there was a little train of preceded. Kim's right, Yeah, well, I mean Paris proceeded Kim. Paris is the reason we have Kim because Kim was her, her bestie. She organized her closets. Yeah, which Kim, we have to shout at

her out for the long game. She's very Kim is very l a. She's like, I know how to social climb, I know how to be in the right crowds and circles or whatever, and I'm going to move. I'm going to be moving my pieces so that when I get to where I need to go, I won't either anymore. She's playing four d hs. Are you a Kardashian fan, No, I am not a Kardashian fan, but you do have to give them their props because when people say, oh,

they don't do anything, that's a fucking lie. Like how could you say that someone's not doing Like how could you say that Paris Hilton is famous for being famous, Like that is actually work, It's an empire. I would love to see you try to be famous for a fucking day because there are plenty of people who get you know, who get the spotlight for a second and

don't do anything with it. And these are all people who the spotlight was turned on them and they grabbed onto it and held it there and have been holding it there for decades. They have not let up at all. They have not really even taken any breaks. Maybe Paris, but the Kardashian clan has not taken taken a break. There has not been a year where they're off bus club, another club, no sleep, many different extensions of the round. Yes,

I mean which Paris also did? I think she in addition to movies, she had fragrances, she had amused a career, which is like Connect the Stars, Stars is blind is one of those songs that you're like, this is not good. Yeah, yeah good. I disagree. I think it's great. It was. I think it was ahead of its time, because I think I'm gonna need Phoebe. It's not good, it's so good. Here's what I think. I think that the production value was very celebrity wants to be a singer algorithm music.

I will agree with you on the taste level being kind of um synthetic and therefore like not up to the quality level maybe of some music that was coming out at that time. However, that synthetic, you know, quality I think has appreciated in value in the twenties because we all now want to listen to CYNTHI pop songs like that. It was ahead of its time. Nothing in this world is a fucking bob and it's I think

that's what we're going to say in the pot. I agree, I I unfortunately agree, But I also why unfortunately stand in your true yes, because I kind of agree with you too, Sydney. I think I think that there it definitely is kind of I mean, it's it's full auto tune. Yes, it is Cynthia engineering. Hold on, it's auto tune and

it's still bad. It's it's still like if you're doing studio voice and the studio voice is still like damn, you all need to turn it a little bit more because still it still sounds of how she was working. She was working with the right producers. I think I think she was not aware at the time of why what she was making was good. I think at the time like it was joking it was a cash but the music video, but it was an investment that has

appreciated in value. The same thing with Lindsay doing rumors like that's a song that was like kind of bad and now no no no, no, no no no No's husband rumors, bossy and daughter to confessions, daughter father, come on her wig and daughter father? Is that whole album is? We don't who cares about the wig, It's about the music album cover where it's like her back us broken

heart no wait. And I also want to say the thing about like, um, like being a celebrity and staying on people's next or whatever, like you could just tell the difference between somebody like the Kardashian and Lindsay Lohan, like Mama had to take a couple of breaks, Like it's it's not easy to like stay in the limelight and then not have like some type of addiction or just you know, then you got to go to Dubai and allegedly like you yeah, like or in the case

of Paras Hilton, you briefly support Donald Trump. You know what I mean. It's like, oh, I guess I'll disappear for a year and you know, like really does happen? Yeah? Yeah, so did that too. Yeah. So the fact that the Kardashians doing something every freaking year, like twenty years and they really like just threw a bunch of things at the wall to see what stuck. Like they had a credit card at one point, they had they had makeup lines well before Kylie Cosmetics or KKW Cosmetics, which does

not exist anymore. It's only skims. And also this is a this is a podcast in which we support skims are right now. But I'm just saying, like, are you going to go to a celebrity for skin care line? Are you going to do a celebrity for shoot? Except our girl Jessica Simpson Nasa Sturdy as Simpson, who recently bought back her company. She did, Yeah, she bought back full Steak in her company. Wait she is a billion millionaire. Wait she is? They sew them at like um dsw God.

Do you remember when Jessica Simpson and Nicholas were literally the two most famous people on the planet. Okay, and around that time, the same like the Simple Life, reality shows actually had so much stock in people's homes, like people will watch and literally like, no, this is the thing to watch, Like I don't want to see anything scripted. I want to see ship played down. It played out in people's homes and it was much realer than reality TV is today because they didn't understand how to fake

it yet. Like the Kardashians, I've been watching their new show and it's like, I mean, I think it's good, but it's very obvious that everything they do, everything that happens, they are in control. They are the executive producers. They're probably like running the camera. Said if I can't if I can't control every I don't want it. Yeah, I don't do it. But in the days of The Simple Life and Newlyweds and like the Surreal Life all that ship, they didn't know how to not let the cameras see

things that they didn't want them to see. God, if there was a re emergence of Jessica Simpson right now, that would be amazing. Well there was, actually she went viral recently because she was doing um a sponsored video for an allergy medication, and it was really weird. No, no, no, it was like, maybe do you need do you need the money with your brand? That's why it was off that it was an ad that was like, this is not even something that you do. You have allergies I do.

That's actually been the best part about moving to l as my allergies are not as bad anymore. Jessica Simpson is kind of giving Rihanna and that she completely abandoned music to be a mogul. Why not? Why not do it? We don't deserve I'm going to sit here right now. As a culture, we don't deserve anything that like the real musicians are putting out. We don't because everything we do, we take it we wanted in sixties and bites so

that we can do these stupid as fucking dances. It's like we don't respect we don't respect the craft, I mean everything, Like look at the generation now, they're so bored. What else? What else? And anything that is trending. You're like, this is fucking trending? How dare you? And it's all

Paris Hilton's fault back and say like I don't. I don't feel like Paris is kind of like making a comeback per se, but like re emergence as a DJ and with her documentary and all this stuff, like hasn't been kind of interested in like what people want now.

And I think between Jessica Simpson honestly and Paris and like blonde bimbos of like the early aughts, like there's something about that that's much more valuable now because when A Simple Life came out, we as a culture fundamentally didn't understand that, like you can be into things that

are like flamboyantly girly and also be an intellect. And now in the twenties, that's like a fierce ideal of like a lot of like the ways we talk about women are talking about celebrity is and so you know, Paris trying to kind of rebrand herself as a shrewd businesswoman. Not to say that she isn't, but like that is how she's pivoting a little bit. Well, I mean, she's older now, so she wants to like remain like, hey, I'm not going to be Mariah Carey, which we love Maria.

Mariah wants to stay at a surname. So does Madonna. So Paris is like, no, no, no no, it's okay. I'm getting older, Like I know, like the voice that I was doing before, you know, we're gonna change it a little bit. Also getting married, I'm doing I'm doing something different. Yeah. I think part of it is also like about legacy and are wanting to say, all of these things that

exist now, I had a hand in creating them. And don't forget that She's trying to reintroduce herself, not only to us who were aware of it the first time around, but this generation who don't even understand that, you know, like she invented the selfie. She's She's like, I am a trend setter. You know, if you ever wear a Lore sweatsuit, bitch Hillo, because you owe me a check. Yeah. Literally, juicy juicy couture wouldn't even have been able to thrive back then for her or just beca Simpson or just

like Lindsay, all of those celebrities at the time. In my high school yearbook for senior superlatives, I was best dressed or I was most fashionable, and in the photo I wore a juice guitar track suit. Man of course you did. And do you know, like to have that on your automatically cool like people people know that like, oh you have money because this is like a hundred dollars for some reason for just just the top I had.

I had a lot of times where it was like a mitche match like I would have I would be able to have the hoodie, but then it would be Valor and then the sweats would be terry cloth because that was on sale from Shop Bop. Like you know, I wasn't like all of the other girls, but I knew what was going on at that time, and that was very appreciative of the movement. You know, neither of

you get a senior superlative in high school. I got the biggest personality, which between best dress something theah yeah if you if you could have gotten one, what would you have wanted it to be? Uh? It would be what's that? Most popular? Yeah? I was. I was very popular in high school. Of course you are. I was popular instance that everybody knew me, and I was in little groups here and there. I wasn't cool. Were you funny? It wasn't. But did you make everyone laugh or you like?

Was it? Was it? Giving class? Clown. People were talking about me. I wouldn't say that class clown. I was most popular because people there was either somebody wanted to fight me or I was like teacher's pet. I was in like every extra curriculum activity. I wasn't a nerd though I wasn't. I wasn't getting straight a's. They were like, you're kind of dumb, but like you're doing all the stuff, but can you read, you know, like and stuff like that.

But I mean I was the most popular in terms of like every group knew who the fun I was. I know that that silent power, you know, moving in the shadows. I think that's where the real power is that. I mean, is that what you want in the future. Yeah, I think those were the true like when I was and actually, no, I want to be more in the spotlight. When I was growing up, those were definitely the popular.

The popular kids that I idolized were the ones that had that quiet, cool, usually extremely funny sensibility that that girl, who is that girl? Yeah, they were like the theater kids, honestly, but I wanted to zip back to the voice thing. I want to know y'all's honest take on like this thing that they're trying to establish in the documentary, which is that the voice that she's been doing on camera this whole time is fake. All you know Elizabeth Holmes and like she really is like a cool Like the

documentary was very like she's a normal girl. Look, her voice is slightly lower. She like eats take out and like, um, you know, enjoys leftovers like I didn't. I don't know. I had a hard time kind of buying what they were trying to. Now, all the girls, all the girls in the early apps had that voice, yes, by Jessica. The voice. It was the thing that you like, it's kind of annoying, but like like you know, and it's a thing that girls are still doing. They're doing. Have

you ever heard Brittany's real singing voice. There's like a concert clip of her one time being like this is my real singing voice, and she sounds like totally different or something like that. I don't know. I don't know anyways, I I do think, yeah, maybe it was more like a manufacturing of like the celebrity celebrities at the time, or since you have to have a baby voice, you don't understand. I'll never be as pressed as I was about celebrities then like now I don't care because it's

too annoying. It's I know too much. We were we were so obsessed. We we wanted to know so much. Like I mean, this was the time of Perez Hilton and oh no they didn't and like this, I mean, this was the time where the photographer you could get hundreds of thousands of dollars for a photo of one of these girls. When they said that they still making good money. Now they're still doing good money, but with the photos. But it's just like it's more gross now. Yeah,

things like dumois or like um camera. So it's like it's just become democratires. Yeah, And I think in in the wake Up the Free Bitney Movement were not everyone, but a lot of us have like a slightly more nuanced perspective on We watched the documentary and we were like, oh, they were so bad. Even though it's like, yeah, people are getting in like Princess Diana fucking car crash. We never we never learned. We don't we never learned. We don't want people are still going a non please and

you know, yeah, I don't know. I think that honestly, what I was trying to get out with like the Paris voice thing is in part because like I feel like, you know, to be a celebrity, you do have a performance self, and I don't know if that necessarily is any less you you know what I mean? Like I feel like, um, I when when I was watching the doc I felt like I believe that she is like an amazing businesswoman and that she has this empire and that you know, her voice is really like this or whatever.

But there was nothing from the documentary maybe because it's like so I think it's a little shallow, like it didn't really go anywhere where I wanted it to. But I felt like, um, there was nothing in the doctor kind of proved to me that she was like this sole savant genius behind a multimillion of the brain, the whole performance of it, that like don't we all do

a version of that? And isn't that just kind of what that that documentary was proving is that like she was at least just being a heightened version of herself that she knew would make her money. And also it was maybe kind of like based on some trauma she had and like we all performed versions of ourselves online that are like not always a percent authentic to who we are, at least not all the time. I think

that's my problem. My problem is that I'm too transparent and I'm too like consistent all the way, and I need to work on That's why I need a fucking team. That's why these people are are thriving because they have like a whole circle of people to be like, this is this is this is your brand, this is the marketing, this is the this is the angle, this is all the things that we're going to do to make sure that you get to where you need to go. And

you have all these different branches. It does sound really nice, but don't you think there's um, I guess for me, there's a fear in that barrier between me and the audience. Something will be missed that like the people are going to like like, I understand that whatever minor platform of people who are interested in me exists is because for most of the time that I've been on the Internet, I have been like completely unfiltered and said everything I think.

And in recent years I've like gotten more aware of censoring myself a little bit because you getting the numbers you got like you're getting more. People are seeing you more, hearing you more your tweets, Like we have to be more present in that because anything can happen. Anybody could pull up some ship and you're like, okay, I have no job now, so it's different. It's different like the

unfiltered nous twenty years ago, I couldn't get you in trouble. Now, well it's yeah, exactly exactly twenty years later, I can. I feel like, you know, I mean I definitely have like a performance self. I think that that it's always hot always, it's never sad, it's always hot. It's always hot. I should I should pivot more to like sad home stop it. We have to stop. Like I love people being like honest, but then it's like, so what do

you have for the people in your real life? But what And that's that's what I have to work on is and that's what I love you. That's what I

love about the Kardashians. And I don't I can't believe that'st a that but like those type of celebrities is like, yes, this is that thing that I'm putting out there, and then when people meet them in real life, it's something else like it should be that it should Yeah, I think part of the reason I was kind of a allergic to the Paris voice things, just that the whole her kind of whole claim was like, this is not me,

and the documentary is called this is Paris. It's like this is the real me and this is the fake me. And I was like, it's all. But then but then she's leaned back into it because she did the cooking show where she was like doing doing the baby voice again, and I think at the very least she's like having

fun with it again. Um, she has, and that's kind of all we want because those are like, those are the reasons why we like her, like all the trappings of Paris, Like she looms so large in the cultural consciousness that it's just smart business to play into it.

Like it's why I'm sure she, you know, allowed herself to be part of like something like the Bling Ring where they you know, because names were changed for for people in that, but they talked about breaking into Paris's house and I'm sure someone had to call her and make sure that was okay, and she clearly said yes, And I love the Bling Ring. Wait, now, what was

the Bling Ring. The Blingering is a Sofia couple of the movie based on something that really happened, where this group of teenagers were breaking into all these famous people's houses and stealing their stuff. Yeah, it's I don't think the movie is very good, but the story is an I think is great. It's Emma Watson and her action, but you know, you know you that's also a brand of things, like especially in the early Ott's bad but good. It's not good. It's bad, but it's still okay, like

we love it, you know. So I think now everything has to be fucking good. Everything has to be so genius, it has to have an has to have a message. It's just it's too much. I missed the like good old days where you could just so bad, so bad. I think that's culture. Yeah, idiot culture. Actually Paris is o g idiot simple life the like not. I don't see that in a pejorative way, like she's in on

the joke and I think that it's absurd. Is that's kind of also like my point earlier about like flamboyant femininity is like culture, yes, or also like look at like z Way or like or like something like the reason a movie, like legally Blonde as successful as you have, like that dichotomy of someone who's like shrewd and incisive and intellectual, but also just like I dressed like a barby. Well, yes she is, but like, let's be honest, z Way.

You know, she is a woman that is truly so smart, and she has the background and she like went to school for all of this, Like it's just different. Like I think blonds can actually be idiots and then make an empire off of it, like still value them, but brown girls, like we really do have to have an education and we can't just pull off a show like z Ways without being the pure genius that she is. Yeah, I would love to see interview parents. She would be

an iconic guy. Paris is a huge influence of hers, as well as Stacy. She she I know, she's reached out. Actually, I would love to see this because Republican not just the Republican. She's just like the worst of the worst so far. She had the capital on aid for a while. She worked at the White House, like in an basically fake job. This is what happens when you when you don't. I feel like everybody who was really big in the

early two thousands. They feel lost now They're like, what can I do to push the needle and be talked about and be relevant and get in And Stacy dash was literally like Republican like I'm already beautiful, I've already done the movies. I'm not singing. What then am I going to do? Republican gonna be hand in hand with Trump? Like that's the only way we would pay her mind truthfully, whack yeah, And it did it put her. I wouldn't never have thought about her if it weren't for that

cultural moment. You have to have, like a crazy spiraling moment for people like what which makes me wonder about I mean, I wonder if there's a connection to like Paris briefly supporting Trump like I have. I have no doubt that Paris is like kind of a good person, but like she definitely has some like evil things circulating her because she grew up in a wealthy white family. Well, I think at the time what she said about it

is that Trump was like a family friend. Before Trump was a president, he was like people were fans of him. We have to really get down to the nitty gritty, is that he only became an evil guy. When he became the president, we all that he was like everything you wanted on TV and now you're like, that's in the fucking White House. That's the person who's controlling the government. Out of here was part of the same part like time and reality TV culture that Harris was. Do you

remember Paris's other reality show? It was the one where you were auditioning to be her new best friend, which is like, oh my god, that's so nasty, nasty because because Paris basically dumped and called Richie. Yeah, and it was basically it was they were fighting huge few I didn't know about this, will you mean the top line of like how it went down or well, for for me, I don't know the specifics, but I could tell that

Nicole was going through it like she had. She was battling like eating disorder and like drugs, and I mean being on something like simple Life and being somebody's you know, sidekick, that fox with that fox with everything, and to know that she was not the first pig. No, she was not the first pig. So I think all that I'm sure started to build up to. Yeah, it was also just the era of the girls are fighting. There were

always fighting. There was only it just felt like there was us a limited amount of psychic space that these women could take up, and they were clawing and scratching each other for every intruent they could get, and all of us watching, we're just encouraging it because it was

entertaining to watch. And I think the Paris and Nicole thing, I don't even really think there's like a real inciting incident outside of you know, one person said something kind of bitchy about the other one in the press, and then the other one retaliated and it's snowballed from there. Yeah. But also again, like you know, being in the public eye is very stressful, So I would never want to be that famous. I don't. I don't know if I want that. I don't. I see how hard I am

right now, just regular degla. I couldn't imagine, like, you know, some paparazzi paparazzi getting me from a bad angle and then I'm like, that's everywhere. It's going viral at least now, as you know, a humble stand up comedian photographer takes a bad angle of me on stage, they're blocked. Yea, yeah, I'll be curious to know like what the future of Paris looks like, because she's kind of projecting like what she is going to be now with the DJ staff

and with this documentary. But like I'm her TV show about her getting married, yes, and the marriage the wedding, which well it's on like peacock or something that nobody has no I mean, just getting me love people. Yeah, there's some friends that got stuff on there. I mean, I'm like, I have it. Well, actually I'm using somebody else. I still support. I support, but yeah the wedding boring, like we got to do more, but was there and that those moments for me, whenever they reunite, I get

so happy because I do. I did love their friendships so much and just like just like you, I wanted, Um, I'm more of a Nicole I wanted. I. I also wanted a Paris planacle. I'm definitely on Paris. Unfortunately, we are a Paris and Nicole, you think, and this energy has been top of the line. I mean, because no one's that bad or good. You know, you guys just ping pong off of each other and it's it's feeling good. Yeah. Well, I mean I will be braced for the next problematic thing,

maybe that Paris halting. She'll she'll definitely do it. What do you think she'll do? I don't know. I honestly was a little I'm not trying to Honestly, I'm not trying to like demonize or anything problem but I just think that like watching the documentary, which I did like a few like a few days ago, like I was like kind of baffled by a lot of awareness around this whole rebrand thing, but still a lack of awareness around like her wealth and her class and like her

place in the world. And like even in the documentary she was wearing like an n white heat had, Like I was just no accountability. I was like, who, I don't necessarily even care unfortunately about accountability from Paris Hilton, Like we don't need it, it doesn't matter. I would

like to. I think that there is something interesting in you know, I say this on the part of the time, but I'm interested in like white people investigating whiteness, and I think that I don't think that something Paris was aware of, but like it's something that's interesting about her and like the privilege that she has. It's not the band, because it would just be so awkward and we honestly

don't want to hear it. Like there's just some people you we don't need that perspective, and they know that they stay in their lane. And that's why I have to That's why I have to give it to her that she has not come out and try to be one of those people to jump on the bandwagon. If I ever saw Paris Hilton with a Black Lives Matter anything, I would be fucking furious, Like what, I don't want to snatch just share right off or whatever she had

a little pin or something. No, absolutely not. It's funny how much we resent celebrities for trying and yet like culturally we demand accountability from people that do that are wrong doing. But I totally agree with you, it's not. It's kind of like when I said I don't care about accountability, Like I I don't care if it's like right or wrong, but like I really am. It's like

I don't want to watch you suffer through. It's kind of like how I felt watching like the Real House as of Salt Lake City or like of Beverly Hills, like trying to have conversations about race. It's like I actually I don't need this from you, you know what I mean. We're here for the ships, you are here for the drama. But like when there's like race relations in reality shows, it's like, Okay, this feels too much like what's actually in the world. And escapism like Harris

Hilton is escapism. We want to be stars are blind on the beach, like just just vibes head empty. And you know when I said earlier like a simple life could exist today, I think I said that maybe very um aspirationally, like I kind of wish that we could produce something that is that's stupid or unaware, you know what I mean, But like it would be the need to be or that the need for us to cancel it. Like it's just like there would there would be no conversation.

Maybe there's a version of the symbol life today where it's like, um, some like liberal queers have to go live and like have to go work at Fox News, like the interns at Fox News or bright Bart. That's that's the simple life. That's actually maybe it's the other way around. Maybe it's like Megan Kelly has to like go go live and like be a part of Juice. That might be funny we might gag. And who's like the Paris Hilton of our I mean, that's like a kind of rudimentary thing to say, but if there's a

is there a Paris Hilton of our generation? Emily Morico who's like a wealthy kind of privilege, who's famous for being wealthy. Lily depth Um, I don't even like one of the celebrity kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah, one of the say Ellen I was, I don't think the girls got it. They don't get it. They don't have it. When we were talking, they think they do. We're talking about socialites in New York City. I'm talking about like Beatrice in We're going to like the holes in the walls where

you're like, oh was this bitch? Everybody's around them like there's no more of that. They just don't have it. They can't move the needle, they don't have the fashion, they don't have the they don't have the thought process. They're certainly trying, but they're not succeeding. So maybe it's like it's like, Okay, maybe they can see this show. It's like Country Brooklyn faggots that have to like go to like mansions and pretend to be rich or something

like that. It's like they are talking about it hilly. Well that's the thing that is the Beverly like simple life was a subversion of Beverly Hillbillies and like Green Acres. So okay, coming back to the Leverty like kids or whatever. Madonna's daughter Lords has got it. But she doesn't. She doesn't quite have it on the scale that parristed, but she has it the energy of like socialized girl. She's

got it. It's not just because she's got hair underneath her arms like she's it's something in her that's like I want to be the opposite of everybody and everything that's happening right now. And I think that is a part of being a socialite. Like you're not You're not the masses. You're like a small you're a small group. So she's got it. I think we've got it. I think we all three of us have got it. We

could we could be socialites. I think we are socialites in our own ways, socialites in that we never leave our homes and watch people on social No, no, no, no no socialites. This is this is the main thing is we don't know what the funk you do that No one knows what I have power and silence moving in the show. But you've got every look, You've got every label. You're at every like house and event, and people are

like taking pictures of you. Who is this bit? Literally, no one I've ever met has been able to accurately identify what I do ever and and we love that and you have to keep it that way. And if you get a job, we want you. If I see a deadline arts, We'll take you down. We'll take you down, my god. You can follow our Instagram at like a virgin for updates on future episodes and you know tag us and what you think we should talk about next, or you can side into our d m s because

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