All Mermaid Stories Are Trans

be shared with the listeners. You know. I honestly, I won't detail that the saga that was trying to make Adele on Christmas Eve happen for Justin and I, but I will say it required planes, trains, automobiles, cancelations, rebookings, entire flights just not happening for us, and ended up with me and Justin getting in touch with a mutual friend of ours who knows Adele in order to see her on New Year's Eve, which we did, and it

was so HOWE tell tell me about the show? I wish, I wish there were words that I could put to what it feels like to do the New Year's countdown with Adele, it makes perfect sense to me why she is one of the most, if not the most universally beloved celebrities in like the culture, point blank period, like next to Tom Hanks and Dolly Parton, But like she really is perfect. How did she sound? Obviously she sounds better than the recording somehow, like she busts her gut.

And beyond that, her voice is so emotional and she's so expressive, and I'm like, how do you do the show over and over again? But this like mega camp that's on your face as you're performing is like the most emotive thing I've ever seen, Like it's as if you're performing it for the first time. Like she's so in her feelings when she performs. And she also is obviously amazing at crowd banter and did tons of it and has so much fun with it. And she cried,

so she does a lot of vampang and vamping. She goes into the audience, she vamps. She did all of her hits, like she cried while talking to the audience, like she's just herself, and she does it all without shoes on because she's got psiotica and she's like, I'm sorry, I got I got real bad. That's like that's like, that's like, you know, that's saying where it's like anything a man can do, a woman can do and in heals like not me, not me, No, I'm there foot Yeah, god,

it was it was. It was gorgeous. I mean, like I feel like I mean a one glass of champagne did cost fifty dollars, but that's not surprising. What were some of the standout songs she performs? Okay, so I am just context for the virgins, Um I am like not an o g Adele stand. Justin is very much

so an o g l Adele stand. I hopped onto the Adele train in her thirty era and have now gone back and started to love her previous catalog and her her songs from twenty one were the best songs like she did Take It All One and Only and someone like You Obviously and she did Rumor has It and Rolling in the Deep and set Fire to the Rain and don't You Remember, which are all bangers. Every single song on the album is such a fucking banger.

Did she do Hometown Glory? I actually can't remember. I like blacked out for like some one of my Adelais. Oh god, yeah, what other what other adel phaves do you have? I love the River leah Um. It's one of my favorite adult songs because Charlene once performed at this party that I used to throw and as she lip synced it, she pissed into our friends. Now, well, I'm sure Adele would love that. She would live, I

honestly was. I went. We went to a nightclub after we went to Piranha, and I half expected her to be there because you know she's known for hitting up the gay Yeah yeah, yeah, her and Jennifer Lawrence loved the gaze. Oh my god. Um. Anyways, long story, Shart, it was perfect. What did you do for New Year's? I rented a house in the cat Skills with some friends and we drove up there on Saturday, made a

really lovely dinner. Um. My friend's boyfriend cooked ham um, which was delicious, and then we we watched Miley cyrus her little you know New Year's Special, which was dumb. Oh it was It looked good, no, I mean her her performance with Dolly obviously was incredible, but her Paris performance was bad. No, no, it wasn't her that was bad. It was just the whole thing, and all these musical act who were not Miley Cyrus or Dolly Parton, who

was like, please get off the stage. And there were some little sketches that were cute, but there were just like a lot of commercials and we were watching it on Peacock and it was like every commercial break was the same three commercials over and over again. It was excruciating. Yeah, But then we were just in the Catskills for for two nights and did a lot of sitting by the fire. I took a lot of baths. We had a hot tub. It was really beautiful now and now it's January. Honestly,

it is early January. We pretty much had like the opposite New Year's. Like I was in Vegas. Have you ever been to Vegas. I've been to Vegas a few times. I had never really done Vegas before, and like it is a theme park like it is. I I joked that it was like Berlin for heterosexuals, because it's kind of this like sin city that feels like it would be something culturally important to like heterosexual people where they can be like godless heathens and like. But it's like

it was truly bizarre. Um, but I loved it. I love casinos. I so I'm I don't care about gambling. I think it's very dumb. I think it's very dumb. But every time I've gone to Vegas, I've you know, said like okay, like I'll go waste in a slot machine just for the experience of doing it, and once the money runs out, I'm just like done, I disengage. I don't care, like I'm not. I don't I don't want to get lucky. I'm you know, even if I won money, I would like I would stop once, you know,

once that twenty was up. Um casinos are fascinating and terrifying to me, like the fact that like you get free booze while you gamble, and like that they like pump like like pure oxygen into the casino like routinely to like keep you awake, and like the fact that like there are no clocks in any casinos and they keep the lights on at the same time the whole day because they don't want you to like know what time of day it is, which is so fun it's gross.

And so I do, like I do like to smoke a cigarette and because I did the last time I was in vegasigarettes. I smoked a cigarette while playing the Sex in the City slot machine, and you know, I loved that little fantasy. And then I went and saw Gaga. The girl behind me was smoking smoking a a capri? Is that are the thin ones? A capri? With the Sex in the City slot machine. Um, I also have

to say, like sex casino security are so fucking scary. Like, we we had so much Justin had so much fun playing blackjack with this like one dealer and we were building building a little bit of a rapport with her, and we were like, oh, we have to go get cash.

We'll be right back. And when we came back, they had reassigned her to a new table and she was gone because the manager had saw that we were like getting chummy with her, and so they were like, we don't want them to keep winning money, Like she needs to be moved. Isn't that scary? That's evil? It's evil and weird. And also like also maybe she just didn't like you. Maybe she was aer pubbic and she was like, I got to get out of here while they're gone.

She's like, please reassign me. Oh that's so funny. Um. Yeah, and she met the thebel singular and plural. Also, like casinos are like I forgot that. Like casinos are like intentionally designed to be confusing, like labyrinthine and like covered like hall of mirrors, like getting out in and out of every casino and they're all connected, which is crazy, Like it was like solving a Swedish puzzle box. Like I really could not. Um, but we should go together.

We would, I'm sure we would have. I'm not going back to Vegas unless it's for a very good reason. I'm like, and I'm being flew out for Katie Perry. Yeah, um, well that's I'm so glad you had a good time

at Adele. So we both have seen two movies that we have very different takes on, and you know, we're going to try a little experiment today and I think instead of duking it out over our you know, differing opinions, we're going to each talk about the things that we liked about these films while the other person um sits and judges silently, and maybe maybe one of us will convince the other one that that where they're wrong. Maybe,

but probably not, probably not. So the two films, the two films in question are Glass Onion and Knives Out, Mystery and Roll Dolls, Matilda the Musical arguably the only two films that were really during the winter break like this is like they felt like a kind of slow rollout for it felt like streaming didn't really do that much releases. I also think even theatrically, there weren't a lot of big Christmas movies this year. So if you haven't seen either of these, they're both available to stream

on Netflix. Obviously, big spoilers for the movies. I can go first and talk about Matilda. Um So, I did mention Matilda briefly in our best of episode, which if you haven't listened to go check out now. So I saw it a while ago and I loved it. You know, obviously I have a big place in my heart for the original Matilda. It was such an important movie to me as a kid. It was such an important book. And I've never engaged with the musical at all. I've never seen it, didn't know any of the music. I

was very not even skeptical about it. I just was like almost a little bit apathetic going into it, and I was shocked by how much I enjoyed it. I thought it was such a fun movie, and it was such a beautiful movie to look at. I thought the production design was really incredible. The choreography was incredible. It looked expensive. It looked like a big blockbuster musical that like was going to be released for Christmas. It was the kind of thing that I like, I think kids

will love and like watch over and over again. I thought the performances were incredible, especially Lashawna Lynch who plays Miss Honey. She had me weeping anytime she had like a song or like a tender moment with Matilda. At the end of the movie, when Matilda runs into her arms and they hug, I even I lost it even thinking about it now, I'm like getting emotional. Um. I thought Emma Thompson was great. Um. I mean those kids.

Those kids were dancing like their parents was standing behind the camera with a knife to their Teddy Bears throat. Those kids were dancing like their birthday party was about to get canceled. They brought it all on the floor. And I like that it didn't try to, like one for one be the original film. It really established itself as its own separate thing, and I think it's a story that like is um magical enough to have this new life breathed into it and exists as its own

separate thing. Is it my time to speak? It's your time? Did I convince you? Did I change your mind? Honestly, you you kind of did. I. I kind of have to agree with you on almost all of almost all of your points here. I think the production value was stunning. I thought Lashaunda Lynch and Emma Thompson were sublime. I adored the allegiance to roll dolls Matilda and how this story was darker and weirder and you know, had so much more um kind of rolled dollion qualities to it um.

And I felt like that was like kind of one of my favorite things about this adaptation. And I also think the kids dance numbers or inarguably like awards worthy

and so much fun to watch. I definitely had more fun watching this movie than my dear friend Justin, who adores the original Matilda starring bi Con Marrow Wilson, and I do love the Marra Wilson version, But like Justin, I don't think ever read the original Matilda, and so like doesn't know how the original movie is like really really not in line with like how the book kind of slurts through um Matilda's powers and all the different stuff.

That said, I think that when children sing in groups that it is unlistenable and uncanny and cloying, lee sweet, and like just really really not fun. And I think that every single song in this musical just sounds like a kind of child old marching band kind of like every single song is kind of like I'm in offense and this is what I'm going to do, here's what

I'm set. And it's like it has this like bright like marching band beat to it, and like every song sounded like that, and it was so annoying and like, I feel like I could have watched a version of this where there was no music in it, or where the music was like yeah, that's just Matilda, or more than the music is like just better. But I didn't think that the music created emotional steaks or added much

to the performance. I thought Lashawna Lynch and I thought um Emma Thompson's songs were awesome, and I thought their performance of it was great, But the majority of the musical is children singing and they all sound haunted. And you are the trunch bowl. You are the trunch bowl is trans period. Um all okay. Also Bruce bog Trotter in that fat suit, Mama, no unforgivable that I've Let's also, I think that you'll agree with me on this. Mr and Mrs Wormwood compared to the o G Mama just

did not do it. They did not. I don't agree. I don't agree with you. I loved them. I thought they were amazing and their house was so beautiful. I love their house. I love I did not think that they're costuming was amazing, but I love the house. I love the production design. The whole movie. Um, I just felt like because Danny DeVito and the other woman like just really fucking nail the other woman. Yes, I don't, I don't know her. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but they're

gonna kill you. I know, I know. But they literally, you chose books. I chose that. Literally, you're That's what I'm saying. You chose books, I chose looks is like that if they're saying those performances are singed in our memories as childhood, and so when you come in and you reboot a performance, it's like you have to ring

something new. And all I saw was a watered down version of what the previous iteration had done, and I wish they had just done something like what Emma Thompson did or what LASHAWNA Lynch did, which were just like make completely different characters. Okay, well I don't agree, but I respect your point of view. Thank you, thank you. Um Okay, now we're moving on. Yeah, let's talk about well,

you talk about Glass Onion. I must say I did not like Knives Out, the original murder mystery that came out, and this is the sequel to Knives Out. I felt like Glass Onion was a substantially better in movie on the casting level, on the writing level, on what it pulled off in the last third, in the twist, and in its primary performances. Janelle mone cells this movie so hard and is such an incredible Lynch pen to Leshana Lynchpin to be the crucial beating heart and like I think,

main character of the franchise. It was so smart and so interesting, and she made Daniel Craig's character so much more fun to watch. The biggest issue that I had with like the original Knives Out, I had a lot to do with Like I felt like how the movie thought Daniel Craig was the most interesting character, but he was like literally so boring and was just this like

narrator Cipher. And I felt like the way Daniel Craig's character was written for Glass Onion was so much more gay, funny, fun like made mistakes, like was a fully fledged character that was interesting and participating in the humanity around him. And I thought that that just like hooked me in

so much further. And when I first started watching glass Onion and I actually didn't like I felt like I wasn't gonna like it because I think the hyper contemporary like name drop of humor is like very I rolls sometimes but by you know, no spoilers, But by the twist at the midpoint, I was in Mama, and I felt like it did something that was a lot better than what Knives Out did, which was instead of being who done it, right, they tell you who did it in the first third of the movie, and so the

rest of the movie is a why done it? And how done it? And I think that that made Glass Onion I felt a really substantive and windy action movie that um grounded itself in great casting, great performances, a super duper silly but satisfying maximalist ending that had I felt brilliant. Thematic commentary that I thought was I thought that the commentary about like you know, commentary about billionaires

can be very I roll. And when you we have this like Jeff Bezozi kind of like CEO character that's been written to death, I was like, I don't know if I'm gonna love this. But the way it kind of talked about this eruption theory and the way it talked about the truth and like modes of justice were like exactly what a modern who done it should be. Um, And so yeah, I loved glass Onions. Surprisingly, that's great. I'm so happy for you, Love. I thank you for

supporting me. Rose. I thought Kate Hudson was fabulous and that's it. Okay, Well what did you not like about? As my mother said, as my mother told me, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. Well, this is a podcast, and I think the virgins will actually be like dying to hear why you didn't like it. I just thought it was dumb. I liked the first movie so much better. I thought it was dumb. It's a completely different movie. It's a

completely different movie. I do think it comes down to taste. I think the mystery of the first film is so much tighter. I thought it was so much more interesting. I like to the family dynamics of it. I thought this movie was dumb. I thought Janelle Manet was horrible. I thought the twists were stupid. I liked Kate Hudson, and I liked Hugh Grant as Daniel Craig's husband. And that's it. Hugh Grant is Daniel Craig's husband. I forgot that cameo is so fast. Oh my god. All the

cameos were so gaggy. I mean two of them are literally dead, which was a kind of whack. Yeah. Well, this is apparently a thing that like Ryan Johnson, all these actors like that his films are the last films they appear in. Who else. It happened with Carrie Fisher, with UM Star Wars, and it happened with um Christopher Plummer and the First Nimes Out, And now it's happened

with Angela Landsberry and Stephen Sondheim. I guess so I have to say, like, I really hate like movies about billionaires, and I did not actually love like kind of the Google play setting of glass Onion, And I feel like that's maybe some of what you were responding to at the end of the day, like it's glass Onion doesn't really okay, so maybe not glass Onion doesn't really have the components of a movie I usually enjoy, which is

kind of why I was really surprised by it. But if you will indulge me on like what I liked about what the movie taught, it's like it actually I felt had a really like incisive critique about what tech billionaires think disruption theory is and what someone like Janelle Monet things disruption theory is right, And I felt like that was so smart because when billionaires and you know, rich people and all these different like girl bosses become

really rich by essentially adopting ideas and organizing methods and like you know, being like woke or whatever and using that to like climb to the top, they think that that's disruption when all they're doing is assimilating into capital is um and protecting like guarding themselves further and further from real people. But when Janelle Money comes into this like Pole debacle, her idea of what disruption is, and how she kind of tears it all down is what

true organizing disruption is. It's about destruction, like volatility, it's about demanding what is owed to you. And I felt like when there's a kind of critical mass at the end that um, I guess provides a path to justice that does not involve the police or the carcetral system

at all. I was like, that is like very radical, And I honestly, I'm not the kind of girl to give Netflix credit, to give Rihan Johnson credit, to give big blockbusters like this credit, but like I was just like, damn, Like I really loved what the movie did with its like prospects of justice, even though it was really silly and maximalist at times. I think that is I'm not saying this is like a patronizing way. I think that's

a very generous, right it is. It is. It's a very and and like I think it's really cool that you can look at that and and pick that out and like, yes, that is those are very good things for a mainstream movie to be saying. I don't know that I agree that that movie is saying those things, but I do think it's it's lovely that you can

see that in that film. I think it's about as generous of a reading as when I said that Taylor Swift's karma, you know, mirrored Buddhist ideologies with karma, which I that that's the thing, is like, that's what I that's what I like to do, and I don't. I don't. I'm not here to give credit to the artist, but I'm here to give credit to how it was interpreted.

And um, yeah, listen, stories are powerful. Stories. Stories are just like just like fairy tales, which is what we're talking about today later in the episode, I hope you stick around for that stories are so powerful. Although friend and I have decided, I think we've said this, we are so over so we're so over media about the power of stories. I never want to see that ship again. Which that is kind of the lesson of Matilda when she's telling this fucking story about circus performers in like

the most boring b B plot ever. Sorry, um, but we should sell a hat that says stories are so powerful. We should. We should let us know if you if you would buy a hat that said stories are so poul and tell us what color, what color you think it should beat. Yeah. Also just tell us like signed to our dems, and tell us what merch you you want from us, because we definitely will be selling some

merch this year. Once upon a time there were two little dull and they lived on two different sides of the same kingdom queendom, because this says this takes place in a matriarchy. Of course, one of them had dark hair and one of them had red hair. Sometimes sometimes depending kind of on what time of year it was, the one with dark hair was loved to go to the ball, and the one with red hair did not anymore,

and however to stay at home. And um, the more hermit like she became, the more the evil in her heart festered. And instead of you know, kind of being like happy, happy, go lucky, um little girl, she became a witch. Um she said, if my stress out here, bring it to every ball? What if there were no ball? Exactly? So she decided to place a curse on the kingdom. So and it was called COVID nineteen. Okay, Okay, this is this is fun out. This is as far as

a little far um. Wait, wait, you're saying that you, as a witch created COVID nineteen so that we wouldn't have to go to parties. Yeah, well, I mean, you know, it's um, it's fairy tales are things that help us, like like myths make us, help us make sense of the world around us. So this is which is why we're talking about it today, all about myth making in

the kind of um fairy tale world. I guess. Yeah, we you know, have touched before on mythology, Greek mythology specifically UM as one of as for both of us, you know, one of the things that really, um, we're very integral to our you know, childhood and formation of like what we liked culturally and and not to mention, it was one of the most liked episodes from the listeners according to our listeners survey. And you're not going to keep bringing up that damn survey. No, no, no,

that's all I was gonna say. But you know, and and I guess if we're thinking about, you know, the more western canon, not that fairy tales are exclusive to the West, obviously they're not, UM, but we what we think about is, you know, the canon of fairy tales are very much sort of the the like I wouldn't say modern because they're like hundreds of years old, but

they're like the more modern equivalent of myths. They are these you know, like stories for children that like often teach lessons um or you know, a lot of fairy tales like appear in many different cultures, so they're sort of like the collective unconscious aid conscious through um, a sort of fantastical story. And you know, in the world we live in, fairy tales are because because um, the world is all about I p UM and fairy tales

are public domain. UM. We live in a world where fairy tales are recycled, rebooted, um retold, reinterpreted time and time again. And they are like some of the most universal stories we have truly, and a lot of them honestly have not been like fully tapped. I feel like like we know the ones that Disney did, but the way Disney doesn't is like pretty much completely like refreshed adaptation,

like so much as a race from the original. And then there's also this like whole other terrain of fairy tales that have never been touched because they're too dark or weird or like or like American audiences wouldn't understand them, right, Um, what's your favorite fairytale Rose, hmm, that is or maybe one of if you like the first one that comes to well, I actually know, so I know what it is, and it's you know, I think that the term fairy tale is is kind of a loose term, but probably

blue Beard. What happens in that one refreshed me. So blue Beard is about this woman who marries this guy and she like goes to his castle and he tells her there's this like specific room that she's not allowed into, and he's like there's this thing where he's like really like nice to her, but then also he sometimes really mean to her. And then she eventually goes into the room and finds like the corpses of all his dead wives,

and um, this as we're talking about retelling. My my favorite retelling of of blue Beard's wife is in the Angela Carter novella The Letty Chamber. It's one of my favorite books. I love Angela Carter. I'm an Angela Carter stand. That's one of my favorites and one of I think it's it's it is a tale that turns up in a lot. It hasn't had like a like literal adaptation, but it's a kind of story that finds its way into a lot of media. It's like referenced in a

lot of media. I I remember Season one of You kind of referenced blue Beard a little bit, and it's it definitely is a motif that is visited a lot in in stories. Um, what's your favorite fairy tale? I feel like I vaguely heard of blue Beard, like it's been like it's been mentioned or something and something that I watched. I was trying to google real quick. But apparently there's a rumor that that Disney will returned to hand drawn animation with an adaptation of that would be

they would have to really sanitize it. I will say. Also, did always really like the Snow Queen fairy tale, which most famously is known as Frozen. Um, oh wait, there the wait. Frozen is an adaptation of a fairy tale. Frozen is an adaptation of the Snow Queen, and originally, Elsa in Frozen was supposed to be much more explicitly the antagonist because the Snow Queen is the villain of the Snow Queen, and then you know, they decided to make it about sisterhood blah blah blah. Um. It's it's

still a gag to me that they called it frozen. Like, you know, they have this like these, they have a whole generation of stories where it's like Aladdin, the Little mermaid snow White, like just like plain and simple, like what the thing is. And then and then they moved on and they were like Tangled, Frozen, Brave. Like it's like these just these are just adjectives. Um. Anyways, I don't even remember. I've seen Frozen once and I don't remember any of the plot. All I remember is the

end of Frozen is so good. Also, Frozen two is really good. I've heard, I've heard, I've heard, I've heard it. I've heard its laps um. It's funny. See, I don't think I don't have the depth of knowledge on like non adapted fairy tales that I think you have have. I actually really want to read that blue Beard adaptation. What's the author's name again? Angela Carter Virgins out there, if you've never read any Angela Carter truly, please read The Bloody Chamber. Read Nights at the Circus. She is

the dividul herself. Love. Yeah, I mean my my boring answer is Little Mermaid. I will always, always, always love that story. I will love the original version of that story that is like darker and like, do you wanna do you wanna? Do you want to hear some tea spilled on the secret gay life of Christian Anderson? Yes? Please? So yeah, I mean I kind of know it, but wanting so. We all know that the original you know, version of the Little Mermaid is much darker than the

Disney version we all have seen. Um In the original story, the Little Mermaid when she trades her voice to the sea, which for legs, every step she takes it feels like like knives are like being stabbed into her feet. Um. She at the end of the story is told by her sisters that if she kills the Prince, well the prince marries another woman, like he's fully not in love with the Little Mermaid, And she's told that if she's on the Little Mermaid is like, I'm going to be

a lesbian now She's like, I'm pivoting. Wait, Actually, the reason that her feet feels like knives is because no, a fresh paradox. They have not been broken in yet. Okay, they have not been broken in and she is dying. Um. So she's told by her sisters that if she kills the prince and his wife that she will be able to become a mermaid again, but she refuses to do it.

So she jumps into the ocean and kills herself and gets turned into sea foam and she like has to spend like a hundred years in purgatory before she can before she can go to heaven because mermaids don't have souls. So anyway, Hans Christian Anderson was a huge fag and The Little Mermaid was actually a story that he wrote and sent to this guy who had spurned his gay advances, his lover, his forbidden lover, and the Little Mermaid was

his avatar. Yeah, and he was just like being very cunty and he sent the guy this story and was like, fuck you, I want to suck your dick and you won't let me. So here's this story about a mermaid who's walking on knives and kills herself. Wow, honestly, the way that gays you know, you like like when we watched something like Dynasty or Golden Golden Girls, like the or like um Sex in the City, right, like the way that gay men use like white women as like

avatars for like their own love stories. It's just something that has spanned for centuries, except you know, um Hans Christian understand was like we're going to do it like on the interspecies level, like I'm a mermaid now, and

that does that make it kind of transmits? Well, I mean all mermaid stories are trans um but yeah, I mean I would say actually all Mermaids stories are queer, and like The Little Mermaids specifically is about you know, um, transforming yourself for a forbidden love and having that love rejected. I mean it's you know all, I mean, all fairy tales are queer and that they can all have some

sort of like queerness plucked from them. I have to say, like I my entry point into like fairy tale is like loose, like I can't quite pin what it was, but I can say that like kind of adjacent to this genre, which was maybe my truest first entry point was the Fables of Aesop. Did you ever read the Fables of Aesop Fables A slaps fables? Yeahs ASoP skincarees Fables. It's like these rabbits and like you know Woodland, creatures that like put on body bombs. What what are asops? Fables?

Can you name some of the like big hitters for me? Okay, there's the Tortoise and the hair, but yeah, of course we know her, we know her. There's the Fox and the Grapes. They're town in Country the Fox and the Grapes. Yeah, when the Fox is like I want to it's like, okay, the box in the Grapes, the story of the Fox. It's not like the Fox on the Hound, which is no. No, it's the first, the first movie to ever make me cry.

The first is not the last. The first, the first Disney movie to ever be like death is real and you will experience it in your life. Actually that was probably Bambi, unless that came first. I didn't remember come first Bambies. Like one of the oldest Disney movies the o g Um, you know, Town of Country mouse Um. There are things like I don't know that basically, like I don't even know if they were like religious. I think they were like developed an ancient they I think

they were in ancient Greece. They were written in ancient Greece, but like they still had this like weird Christian appeal that like my dad loved and so he would read Esop's Fables. Long story short is, these fables are pretty boring, like they're very morally like, they're driven by morals. The fables are boring. But the soap slaps. The soap slaps,

the soap slaps. But this is like, honestly, what I'm trying to say is like the water down very sanitized, very like morality conscious version of fairy tales that I grew up with and that were encouraged strongly well, because we have all these different iterations of kind of the same thing. You know. We have fairy tales which are like these specifically fantastical like bedtime stories that are like fabulous. Um. We have fables, which like are like truly like stories

that are meant to teach lessons specifically. And then we have folk tales, which are things like Paul Bunyan and you know, um like like sort of like shared cultural and like I think specifically like national like have sort of like a geographic specificity of like things that like maybe we're true but have like sort of um transcended into legend and they all serve different purposes, god, I would love to like adapt one. Would you adapt blue Beard?

Blue Beard if you could? Or is there something else like in the kind of like fairy tale realm where you're like that like really should be a movie. Um, you love the Swan Queen, I do. I do love the Swan Princess, But that's a fairy tale. Yes, um, this one princess is a fairy tale. It has you know, has been adopted many times into Swan Lake, um, and then Swan Lake into Black Swan. Um. There was the

like incredible nineties UM animated film The Swan Princess. Oh my god, I was so gagged every time she transformed into a swan and then back into a princess like. I like the like the way that the water like swirled up around her was so great and then her fair of faucet like blowout moment and also the opening song about how she and the prince hated each other and then eventually fell in love. So good. Um. And it had several UM direct to VHS sequels that were

not quite as good. I don't even remember the first swe Maybe we're due for a rewatch here, um of the what is it called the Princess Swan, the Swan Princess, the Swan Princess. The fairy tales always have the most obvious titles possible. It's like the Thing, thing, the thing, and the thing and the thing, unless it's frozen. But but that's not that's not a fairy tale. That's a disney that's a disneyfied movie. But it's based on a fairy tale. But the fairy tale itself is the Snow

Queen or Rapunzel, Rapunzel. I never really cared too much about. What I did love was rumble Stiltskin because rumble Stiltskin is fucking weird, weird, gross, weird, gross, powerful, weird, like on so many levels because it's like this bitch her father is like bragging about how she can turn straw into gold, and so he gives her up to the king because he's been out just out here lying um. And then she gets trapped in the castle and has

to spin straw into gold. And then this weird little man shows up and she promises him her firstborn child if he'll help her spin the straw into gold. And also like she basically is like kidnapped, enslaved, and then they're like, wait, you're so good at turning straw into gold. We're going to marry you off to the prince and you'll be the queen and then you will rule over

the kingdom that kidnapped and enslaved you. Um, it's just very strange and then like and also like every adaptation of like Rapunzel, like Rumple steel Skin, like he gets like very horny around riddle guessing, Like it's kind of like his kink is like the riddles or not the riddles, like the thing about guessing his name, you know, where she has to guess his name right, Well, yeah, that's that's something I think that's like a sort of recurring motif and a lot of fairy king is that names

are powerful and also that often villains um Ghoule's, ghosts, demons and stuff are always like kind of bound by these rules, and rules are very absolute and fairy tales, you know, there's like they wouldn't function without them. It's like sure rumpel Stiltskin when she guessed his name could have been like fuck you and then killed her. But also it's kind of like his own hubris because it's not like she says his name and he like, you know, melts like the Wicked Witch of the West. It's like

she says his name and he gets so mad. He's so pressed, he's so plucked by it that he stomps into the floor and disappears. Did you ever watch the ABC television show Once Upon a Time? No, but I've heard amazing things. Can you kind of overview it for the Virgins? Yeah? I didn't watch much of it. I

watched maybe the first two seasons. It's um uh. It's about like literally every fairy tale coexisting um coexists in like this same like magical realm, and because of a curse by the evil Queen, they're all transported to this like small northeastern town with no memories of their you know, sort of magical selves, and um um Goblin's like Goblin

Egouli characters that are really heavily gross faces. Well, there's rumble Stiltskin, who's like one of the main antagonists, and he he in the original like fairytale world, has a sort of creepy face, and then in the normal world he's up pawn broker. He owns a pawn shop, and he's he's also as it turns out, the Beast and Beauty and the Beast, and he's in love with Belle, who's played by the girl from Lost with the Baby. I'm looking. He's playing the girl from Lost with the Baby.

I'm looking, and I don't recognize any of the cast, but this is but I feel like the memory of seen commercials on like ABC or something, Well, Jennifer Goodwin is snow white and um her, I don't know. It's it's not worth going, Like going into Once upon a Time is not worth it because I know that there's a huge fan base around the show, but I didn't watch past two seasons, and they did like as the

show went on. I just know from like cultural osmosis that they eventually brought in like literally every fairy tale like Elsa from Frozen was in it, the Wicked Witch of the West was in it. It was like they a really just kind of they took sort of the Kingdom Hearts approach to inclusion. UM diversity d n I

d n I for Disney is actually just combining fairy tales. Um. You know what else does this um that did actually permeate the culture that we must discuss it must be discussed was Shrek, right, listen, Shrek sh Shrek is Shrek probably is like one of the first examples we have of like meta commentary on the disnification of culture. I mean that's what the whole first movie is really about, like the like Kingdom of do Lock is it? That's what's it's called. Is literally supposed to Like there's that

sort of like small It's a small world esque moment um. Yeah, it's it's really like the deconstruction of of a fairy tale. That's what Shrek is. Yeah, because this proceeded enchanted, right, and this is I thought it was after but I'm googling and it's actually one year before Lee Loan Stitch.

And do you remember the kind of like advertising campaign for Leland Stitch and how it like made fun of other Disney I do vaguely that we're like Stitch would come in and ruin like the banquet Hall of the Beauty and the Beast or whatever like, but that like

Shrek was like doing that before. Like I mean, this is was that this was not Disney and Streamworks, but it really was like breaking apart like just like things that we love um, and it was genius, Like it was so ahead of its time when it came out. I feel like Shrek is like kind of a weird part of like meme culture now, Like it's this thing that we like all kind of joke about because like he's so disgusting, and like talking about Shrek is kind of like it has this weird like early ods nostalgia

attached to it that is like universally like recognize. Yeah, there's a whole like Shrek core fashion movement. For I feel like maybe once or twice a month in Brooklyn someone does like a Shrek drag show or like a Shrek club night or yeah, there was a Shrek always in the culture. Yes, there was a Shrek rave like pretty recently, I think very recently there's like a meme of Shrek wearing these kind of like balenc Yaga asked, since I know the one you also seen so much

shreks Dick so many times? Rose, Why why have you seen shreks Because I exist on the internet. You're like, how have you not seen shreks um? But Fiona, I mean Cameron Diaz some of her best work. Listen, I wouldn't say some of her best work, but because just because I think there's work that's better. But you know, I'm I'm happy if she was there, And yes, that is like it's the perfect subversion of a retailed the

damsel in distress. Like the curse that's placed on her is like turns her into an ogre, but that's actually like what leads to her happily ever after in this very you know, like smart ugly is beautiful way and the sequel, um, Shrek Too is incredible and I think I think better than Trek one. Well do you just say that because of the fairy queen the ad fat what's the girl's name again? Jennifer Saunders, Thank you Jennifer Saunders. God,

you need to learn these things. Friend, I didn't watch that's the ad bad woman right, yes, holding up her holding up her hero still not available to listen to on any streaming platform, which is a crime against humanity. That's crazy. She's so amazing in that movie. God, um, but yeah, it's a Shrek was the culture my parents took me to that like it we were allowed, Yeah,

we were allowed. And I you know that some of those jokes are very some of the like there's sex jokes in that in the first one, kind of and my parents just like pretended like they didn't exist. Well, that's so many, so many kids movies. I think, especially around that period in the early two thousand's are when when there was this boom in mainstream kids entertainment. I think when they realized that they had to start sneaking in jokes that the adults could appreciate into kids movies.

But also really around the time, like we were seeing so much um fairy tale remakes and I think we we will be forever just because, like as I said earlier, their public domain like they are, everyone has this, They have this like universal like buy in. We all have this like um like connotation for them. Um like what like one that I think of a lot. Also from around that same time as Ella Enchanted starring and Hathaway,

based on the book, which I mean so formative. Listen, the book was very important to me, the film less so because it's it's like not good um but um for anyone who hasn't read it. Ella Enchanted is like a kind of Cinderella retelling in which um, the Cinderella in question, Ella has this gift given to her by a fairy godmother that she must obey anything someone asks

of her. And that's what leads to her being a servant UM and she you know, like falls in the like plays out like Cinderella, You don't you don't need more than that, um. But it's such a good like like like middle grade book, and it was turned into a film starring and Hathaway, And I actually said recently the Taylor Swift's Bejeweled video is very enchanted for it is it is? Yeah. I actually rewatched ellen Chanted on a plane recently and I was like, Wow, this movie

is bad. But but Anne Hathaway does a really great version of Somebody to Love in it. She does, and she's perfect for the role. I'm not gonna lie. And I love the blonde British actress who plays one of her step sisters who like turns up in a lot of those kind of movies from the early two thousand's and also was in Netflix's A Series of Unfortunate Events TV show and it's so good. I don't know what

her name is, it doesn't matter. One of the like my earliest memories of these kind of like adaptations that you're talking about that had to straddle adult audiences and jokes with like the fact that it's a kids movie was Aladdin based on you know, one thousand and one Nights and not a Western fairytale. But um my, mom, like when we bought this like VHS tape, would just sat home and watch it over and over again because

they were like jokes for adults and kids. And I know that like a lot of what like Robin Williams did with that role was like ad libbed, and like, you know, there's like stuff in there that's just like stuff that I would never ever understand as a child. Um. But I mean, damn, did did Aladdin win an Oscar? No? That was Beauty and the Beast. Beauty and the Beast was the first animated film to ever be UM nominated for an Oscar for Best Picture and is the reason

why the Best Animated Feature category was created. Oh wow, I did not know that the Disney change in the game. Um. You know, there are so many film adaptations of fairy tales. I also love book adaptations of fairy tales, and there have been so many great especially short story collections, UM over the years. Um there's one short story collection that I don't have a copy of it anymore. I don't know why, but I need to to get a new one. UM. It's called My Mother She killed me, My father he

ate me. UM. That is definitely one that I recommend. UM. One of my favorite short story adaptations of a fairy tale that I believe I've mentioned on this podcast before is snow Glass Apples by Neil Gaiman. UM. It's a short story that he wrote, I think maybe back in the nineties, and it is a very very dark retelling a snow White in which snow White is kind of a zombie vampire monster and the evil queen is actually the hero of the story. There's I believe a oh

I think I have it. There's a a graphic novel um adaptation of it that's really beautiful. UM. I would definitely recommend that. Also, have you heard I mean you're not as like active of on book talk as I am, but have you have you heard of? Do you know who Sarah J. Mass is? No? No, tell me? Okay, alright, Strap in Virgence Okay. So Sarah J. Mass writes in this like cross section of like romance fantasy, UM, and she has this very popular series UM called a Court

of Thorn and Roses. And the first book actually like is basically a Beauty and the Beast retelling, but then it becomes something else. Um, and it is. It's like I read most of the books earlier this year, like the end of last year. They're really bad. It's like the most like kind of pathetic self insertion like um

like like character x reader, like Mary Sue Vibes. Like there's this girl who gets kidnapped by a fairy lord and like he falls in love with her, and then she gets turned into a fairy and it turns out she has the most incredible powers and like it learns how to use them immediately. And then there's this other fairy who falls in love with her and they're destined to be together. And he's like a thousand years old and is in love with a seventeen year old girl.

And it's just like it sounds like Twilight. It is. It is Twilight in a way. UM. I don't recommend reading it unless you are really bored, but you know, go off if you do, go off, if you do. Um, Okay, look, we would be remiss not to mention, even though we've already discussed it on the pod. One of your favorite musicals of all time, which is Into the Woods, an amalgamation of multiple fairy tales. You know, we've chatted about it, but like you know, walk the virgins through, Like how

you feel about like this? What the what this musical did for you when you first watched it? Well, what I love about Into the Woods is that it is, much like some of the other things we've talked about, is a musical that puts all of these different fairy tales together. Um. And the you know, first half of Into the Woods is about like the thing that is at the crux of every fairy tale, which is um wishing for something. The musical both starts and ends with

someone saying the words I wish um. And then the second act of the musical is about what happens after happily ever after, what happens after you get the thing that you want um and you realize that you don't want it anymore, or it doesn't make you happy, or it just leads to a whole new set of problems, um. And Into the Woods is you know, tells that story in such a beautiful way. Into the Woods is also

so much about the relationships between parents and children. Um. You know, like the the I think most beautiful and like emotionally affecting song in the show is children Will Listen, um, which is also the song that closes the show um. And it is I think Sondheime's most accessible work, probably because of the fairy tale of it all, because these

are characters who loom large in our cultural consciousness. And this is I think, like the reason that all fairytale retellings work on some level is because you have that narrative shorthand of the reader or the watcher or the listener whatever it is already um knowing so much through using the these characters that you're able to use them

to tell a much more effective story that way. And so like we we already know that that the things that these different characters symbolize, like Red Little Red riding Hood and Jack and the Mean Stock are about straying from the path and like you know, like not not like going looking for adventure because like you you just might find it and like it might kill you or

like whatever. Um, And through through those stories they're then able to tell I guess, like the you know, like the next the you know, those fairy tales are like the one oh one lessons and like then into the woods it's like, okay, well we're going to now teach the two or two lessons or like the three oh three. This is lesson, This is a p this is pre

prestat tests. Yes, I really love fairy tales. I actually like, I don't know, maybe in some in some like alternative world, I like, you know, um, like got my masters and I'm like a professor of like folklore or something l L folks ll L folklore by Taylor Swift. Cur I currently am a professor of folklore. Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, there's a there's a jukebox musical adaptation of folk tales that is set to folklore. Absolutely,

maybe it's folklore and Evermore I elect songs from folklore. Oh, I absolutely could see like a Taylor Swift jukebox musical where the first act is all folklore songs and the second act is all Evermore song. I mean, listen, she is already, you know, doing her directorial debut. She's making her directorial debut soon, um, making a movie or whatever. So maybe this is like project too. You should and you're going to write it. No, she's going to write it.

She's gonna She's not handing creative control over she's gonna write Tree Pain. Tree Pain would only need to do a very cursory Google search of me to get me kicked off the project or not even not even in not kicked out of a meeting. She's probably listening to this podcast right now, Tree Pain, We love you, We

love you. Um Okay, if I ever adapted something, I mean, I mean obviously I would want to do Little Mermaid, but like it's it's already being done, and if like Sofia Coppola couldn't do her version, then like I probably can't do want the Sofia version. I honestly think it would be boring. I think it would be boring, like that's what that's my that's my take. Um. But I

but it would be beautiful. It would It would be so gorgeous still look at it would be and the soundtrack would slap and it would be so angsty like

so teen angst Um. I would love to adapt Sleeping Beauty because these maleficent adaptations are these maleficent like you know, movies are like in my in my opinion, like total garbage, Like I just like it's all c g I and like there's a no like real imagination, and it like there's no like there's no invention within the story and like the original Sleeping Beauty like it's just completely like there's so many different versions of it that are completely

different from the Disney version, with the Disney version which took a lot of creative liberties. So what would your take on Sleeping Beauty be. I don't know, I have probably like it would. Yeah. The whole thing is she like picks herself on a needle, right, So I actually think there's I think there is a Sleeping Beauty retelling that's like kind of about No, maybe it's not. Maybe she does an O D. I think that's too dark

to like queer cultural commentary. Like maybe it's like she's getting a tattoo and um, the needles not clean, and she gets an infection, maybe a topic she gets a

topical infection. Maybe it's basically like my year of rest and relaxation, but it's kind of sleep it's kind of Sleeping Beauty esque, and she wakes she went yeah, but she wakes up after one year and she realizes that, you know, the invention of the workforce is like the destruction of like our our our world and that, like we have to fight capitalism, Like that's like the No, I'm just kidding, that would be so boring, but like literally she's had like I think the original, in the original,

her name is like Talia or something like that, which is a name is Aurora. No, I'm saying in the original her name is Talia. Like, yeah, it's it's little Briar, they say, like little Briar Rose and like in some of the earliest appearances of this story, which I think date back to like fifteen fifteen hundreds, Yeah, the sleeping beauty is named Talia, which is kind of that's a very chosen name totally. I might actually know a trans

woman named Talia. I might know a Talia. Um. Yeah, no, I'll have to think on my adaptation, Okay, I I have mine. Yeah, what would it be? I was We've already we've been throwing so many ideas into the pot here. What was so a weird fairy tale that I always really liked is the twelve Dancing Princesses. Are you familiar? No? Okay, So the to Dancing Princesses is like it's kind of lame.

It's like one of those fairy tales that has like a very interesting setup but doesn't conclude in a satisfying way. So there's this king and he has twelve daughters and um, they're like not allowed to get married for some reason. And every night he locks them into their room. Um, but every morning the twelve princesses are exhausted and their shoes are like all beat up, as if they've been

dancing all night. And so the king is like, Okay, if anyone can figure out what the funk my daughters are doing at night to these shoes, they you know, they will get like whatever they want, Like I'll get grant them anything they want. And so this guy is like gets some kind of like cloak that makes him unseeable.

It's like the invisibility cloak from Harry Potter, and he um sneaks into the princess's room, which is inappropriate, um and finds out that at night they open a trapdoor in their bedroom and go out to like a lake behind the castle or whatever, and these twelve boats come and pick them up and take them to a castle where they dance with twelve princes all night and then come back in the morning. And um, like the guy who's following them. He there's these three trees that they

walk by. One of them is gold, one of them silver, I think, the other one is bronze, and he like picks these suits. He like picks leaves from them to show the king, like for proof. Um. And so the story ends in this very unsatisfying way, which is just that he like tells on the princesses to the king and the King's like, okay, well you can have whatever you want. So the guy marries the eldest princess and then becomes the next king. And it's like such a

lame version of story. Okay, So here's my adoptation. Okay, love. So the twelve dancing princesses, they're like, they live in a punk squad and I'm in continue, they live in a punk squat um and um they the punk squad gets bought, okay, but they won't leave. So they're like, actually they're actually squat ing. And so this sort of like yuppie developer um Is decides to like infiltrate their

the squat to like get them out. What about squatters, right, Well, I mean that's why he has to use you know, subterfuge. Uh So he you know, starts he like moves, he like starts hanging around, and he's like, what are these girls doing every night? Because like I can't find a reason to actually kick them out. And then it turns out that there's a secret basement at the bottom of the house where they throw raves and they're like raising money to buy the house back from the developer. And

the shoe thing is like they're all wearing tabbies. I don't know, yeah, the shoes. I was like kind of waiting for the shoe spin. I was thinking, like maybe they all work at like Aldo, or you know, they don't work at Aldo. They work they don't have jobs, starting anti capitalist. So the shoe thing is they go thrifting every day to buy new shoes because they like

wear their shoes out dancing all night. Um. But so this this guy is like, oh, and they're not all they're not they're not all girls, like they're all like a gender, they're all nine mine areas. And so the developer guy like he starts going to the raves with them and he's actually like really into it and he becomes a dj um and I don't know, this is kind of spinning away from me a little bit. I think I think no, no, no no, I think we need

to focus on the shoes, shoes. So it's about the shoes, right, And so maybe they're all maybe they're an organized crime group of like punk squatters that that collectively steal shoes from Steve Madden as a kind of transtor no, because it has to be Steve Madden, because Steve Maddon is the only one that makes, you know, shoes for girls like me, you know what I mean, Like they're like

like Dillard's, Dillard's Steve Madden. I'm not going to fucking like Heavenly Heals dot Com or whatever, you know, I'm not gonna go get some Here's what it is is these girls sneak out at night and steal people's Essence packages. Except except Essence does not have very inclusive sizing unless you're doing you know, the Tommy Dorfman for a Simon Miller collection. This needs a little more work, but I think that there's something there. I think there's something. There's

something with Ray. I. I do think the basement rave is an integral part of the story. But we can't forget about the shoes. Roses important it's like, you know, someone will help us put it together. We're gonna we're gonna need to develop. Maybe there's a foot fetish thing

in there somewhere. What is it about fairy tales and feet, because like that's the thing with the original Cinderella, is that the step sisters in the original story, when the prince comes with the glass slipper to have them try it on, the first one cuts off her toes so her foot can fit into the shoe, and then the birds are like, look at the shoe, look at the shoe, and like the looks and season it's full of blood.

And then the other step sister cuts off her heel and puts in the shoe, and the birds are like, look at the shoe, look at the shoe, and the prince looks at the shoe and it's full of blood, and then the birds peck out the eyes of the two stepsisters. It's really fucking dark. Um Okay, between that and the fairy tale you were just talking about and little mermaid with like the knives and her feet, the knives in her feet and like, you know, the little

red shoes, little shoes. I'm sure the beast from Beauty and the Beast had a foot fetish too. Yeah, that's the thing is like maybe Hans, maybe the brothers Graham had like Ash Anderson had like a foot fetter. Also, when you think about Beauty and the Beast, like, it's so funked up because all that happened was the Bell's father stole in the original story, plucked a rose from the garden of the castle, and then the Beast was like, okay,

well you're my slave for all eternity now. And then Belle comes and treats herself for her father's place because she was the one who wanted the roads. So it's like, actually her her fault, and she gets stuck with him for all altern and he gets Stockholm syndrome and then falls in love with him and she doesn't. Well, okay, I think we've talked about this. So in the Disney version, you know, he has to transform back into a human before she falls in love with him. But in the original,

she falls in love with the beat. She falls she falls in love with the Beast. In the movie, she says, I love you before he turns back into the prince Church or churcher. True. What I mean is that she doesn't commit to him as a like only until he transforms into human? Is it like a happy ending so to speak? And there's there right, but well, I'm what I'm saying is like in the original, I'm pretty sure there's an iteration where he stays the beast and they

stay in love. I would love to see that version. I think I think bell if if after the camera stopped rolling, I think she's like I kind of missed it when you were I think she's a monster fucker. And actually in the in the Emma Watson remake, which you know I did. I did cry when I saw

in theaters. But um, there's a little there's a little moment at the end where like at the ball at the end when they're dancing where the prince who is um Lord Matthew from Downtown Abbey, where he like growls at her, which is to suggest that he's retained some of his like beastly tendencies, and I would hope that um he still has like a huge monster cock um. Speaking of beastly, have you ever heard of the movie

Beastly starring Vanessa Hudgens. No, is that an adaptation? Okay, yes, it's a Beauty and the Beast m retelling that sort of came with Vanessa Hudgens. It came out post Twilight and is very clearly trying to capitalize off of Twilight Mania as a lot of immediate as a lot of culture was trying to do at that time. And it's it's also stars Mary kay Olson who playst who played Okay.

So it's about this like rich kid in high school who's like very mean, um, and he's very mean to to marry Kate Olsen, who's just like a witch who goes to the high school and she can and she curses him to be ugly and like he doesn't turn into a literal beast. He just like has like a weird tattoos and scars and like a staple in his nose.

Oh my god, I know. And his rich dad sends him like sends him away to an apartment downtown and they're the like Loomier and Cogsworth are an older um like Haitian woman who's um not stuck as a clock, but her like children are are like back where she's

from and she can't get them. And then like the Loomier is played by Neil Patrick Harris who's blind, who plays blind which is not appropriate, and like he's and like he at several points in the movie is like, yeah, I mean you might be a beast, but I am blind, which is like my curse and it's so awful. And so then Vanessa Hudgens, who is Bell, her dad is a drug dealer, and the Beast quote unquote like witnesses some kind of shady drug deal and he's like, I'll

keep your daughter safe. And so that's how she comes to be like trapped in his apartment with him, and then they fall in love. And at the end of the movie when she like says she loves him after her dad dies, I believe um he transforms back into being hot again. Neil Patrick. Harris's blindness is um cured so he can see um and they go to Machu Picchu. It's a very weird movie. Nothing that you said in that sentence I could have predicted, like the word afterward.

Absolutely never. I'm looking also now at like photos of Mary kay Olsen with this like and this eyeshadow. Mama, she was kind of serving. But let's let's let's say something. This guy as the Beast quote unquote he looks like he's just going to battle him, like he really he looks like he's going to un Yeah, he looks like he's going to under Like he looks like a normal guy with like alt face tattoos and piercings, like just giving,

like one of like he's giving. It's giving. He literally could be like an editorial assistant at Simon and Schuster. You know, it's giving Susanne Barsh's follies, like you know what I mean. It's giving like I have like a residency at the Mikittrick Hotel, you know. Like he also definitely has a Prince Albert for sure. Yeah, oh for sure, and in only fans that like rich I would. I wouldn't subscribe to it, but I would. I would certainly

watch clips of it on Important Tube. I know you and I are already working on like another um you know, fairy Us adaptation thingy. But like, honestly, The Beauty and the Beast is really good for an adaptation, like I think, but so done to death. No it's not. It's only been done by Disney, like no one knows what and by Beastly. No one knows what Beastly is. People know what beastly is. We'll see, We'll let the virgins speak on that. There was also the Beautician and the Beast story,

which I've never seen why it was not good. I don't remember literally anything about it, but I remember that it's not good. Okay, well I think we should watch it because honestly, it's fran Dresser and we don't have enough friend Dresser content. Before she came out as an anti vaccent she did come out as an anti vaxer.

That's so unfortunate, but like a really yes, she came out as an anti vaccer, but like kind of a really nice one because her whole thing is about like can't she has like the cancer shmancer, She has the Cancer Shmancer Organization, and like her primary concern is like making sure people don't get cancer, and so she looks at like, you know whatever. Anyways, well, no, it was

it's more about people. She was like celebrating that sets because she's the sack after president, and she made a video where she was like, yeah, now people don't have to be vaccinated to work on film and TV sets. Yes, finally, finally inclusion for us again, Inclusions, Inclusion iniversity and Disney is so important. Okay, well, I'm so sorry to end on on the fact that friend dresser I know and they all lived happily ever after and unvaccinated. Slide into

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