Shawne Merriman Talks With Super Bowl Champion Cliff Avril About Going 0-16 To A Super Bowl Champion With The Legion Of Boom

football at that time. And it's funny. I always got a chance to talk to him through social media, but this is our first conversation we'll get a chance to have. We got some funny stories. One of the funny stories is he was a Maryland University of Maryland recruit. He came in and the coaches pointed him out one day and uh, he saw me and decided to go to Burdu. But you know, he's doing many great things now and we're definitely gonna get into today's game and how things

are different. One of the things is different is, uh, I might become an old man. I don't know if that's happened or not, but I might become an old man. I'm looking at some of these guys, oh and three old four teams and they're laughing, having a good time. And today's game that's accepted for whatever reason, when I played,

when Cliff played, and many others played. Uh, the leaders in the locker room are grabbing these guys and bringing them, sitting them down, saying we're gonna get our act together. So maybe I just might become an old man. Maybe not. We're gonna bring Cliff in and uh, get this one going, Cliff, what's up with you? Might? Du what's going on? Bro? Are you? I'm good man? You know I was just telling, uh my guy Vito here that the last time that made you got a chance of talk was on social media.

So we would always go back and forth. But you know it's cool, man, because I got a chance to watch you from a distance, and I always tell me, I said, yo, that that dude a dog man watching watching and you'll go out make a big playing pick and I'm looking like a genius. I appreciate it, man, I appreciate Before we jump into this though, I gotta tell this story. And I think I may have told you this before, obviously, see me, I got the boilermaker and gear on and all that good stuff and um.

And one of the reasons I ended up at Purdue was because so it's out of Purdue in Maryland at the time. And I took a visit to Maryland and I walked onto the field and they was like, yeah, you're gonna play that position right there. I'm like, well, what up? You'll want me look at y'all want me to look like that guy. And I'm like, uh, They're like, yeah, you know, that's the position gonna play like. They're like, you know who that is, right, I'm like, yeah, so

I'm merriedman. And it looked like you was just a man amongst boys. And I was like, well, if you really look like that, and I'm trying to play my truth freshman year, this might not be the place for me, all right, because I'm trying to blame when I come out. So, yeah, you was the reason I would end up at Perdue because yeah, you look too dog and big, like like a man amongst boys out there, and I knew I

couldn't look like that as a truth freshman fresh funnies. Hell, Hey, you know what's funny thing is Coach Locksley and they're gonna stop using me for recruiting now, like you away. But you know it's uh, you know, so you you came right after a couple of guys I played with with Sean Phillips, Nick Hardwick, right after them. And I was telling that, and I tell people all the time, I said, you know, I had the career, or part of the career that I had was because of Sean Phillips.

You know, Sean Phillips was like a silent assass on the other side. And you know as well as anybody that if you don't have that other dude on the other side, what they're gonna do. They're gonna they're gonna slide your way, They're gonna chip you. You're gonna get the Triple formation over there. You're gonna get emotion and crack that. You know, this stuff is going to be crazy. So I tell people all the time. And Shaun Phillips was a was a sound assassin over there. I know.

I agree. I mean, Sign doesn't get enough credit. I mean, even what he did that produe he's want. The reason I end up there too, is just well the fact that he was leaving and he had left and all that stuff. But um, yeah, sound was a dog man and pass rushers in general, Like, obviously it's usually one player that gets all the attention, but if you know other guys on the on that D line with you, um most times, and not the guys that we love

to see, the von Miller's and whatnot. They have other guys on their D line that are really good that kind of helps them be successful. But you know, obviously in the game when we play, it's the guy that gets the sacks. But as pass rushers, you need other pass rushers on that team on that line with you

too for you to be productive. You're right, And it's it's always the quiet guys man to take a lot of the pressure off, Like I had Jamal Williams, Louise Castillo, Igor Shansky, who was who was some of those guys on your team that you played with at the time, man Like they just didn't get the credit that they deserve. I mean, Wagner all them boys, they got a ton of it. But who who was like that on song?

Hero manage just took the heat off of everybody. Man, I would say, you know, while I was here in Seattle, is branding me back. You know, just that that that knows gred that just plugs everything up. He demands a double team, not gonna single him up. And it allowed everybody else to get those one on one So I would go with brand in the bank. And then when I was in Detroit, Corey Williams, you know, a big

fell in the middle. He allowed myself, Sue, Kyle, Vannenboss, all of us to be able to get those one on ones and and we dominated try to dominate those, but there's always that one guy in there that doesn't get enough credit because you know, the stats don't look pretty. But if without those guys, the other guys couldn't need You're right, and then me bang he was he was also a leader, like he was also somebody that was respected.

And I was talking about this the other day, and I'm looking at some of like the new school guys, right, Like I always hated when you had the guys that played in the late seventies, eighties and nineties where they always say, oh, back when we played, you know, we ain't having any any team right when we didn't use hell mats, and like, in a way kind of hating on the new school guys You're like, dude, just you had your time. Now, shit your ass down, you know

what I mean? Like you you were great at what you did, but sit your ass down. But I'm looking at the game now, man, And the other day I want the Falcons and Green Bay play and uh, Aaron Rodgers threw a thirty or thirty five yard passed down the field and I'm I'm seeing one of the d line and get up and laugh and joke and and and play around with Aaron Rodgers. And I'm like, and I've seen the same thing in the Denver game against the Jets and the wide receivers. They're both owing three teams.

They both I think tied at ten, and you got the wide receivers dancing and laughing and joking. And I'm like, man, am I like that old dude? Now to sit back, Hayden, because that wouldn't fly. Like that wouldn't fly. You know. I'll take a tailor story. We started out one in three and two thousand and seven when I was with the Charges and your mind. You we we got lt and uh Lorenz O'Neill and Chris Dialban, the Philip Rivers and all these guys, all these older casts Randall golf. Uh

go think Godfrey knows guys going. But we had a bunch of older guys on the team that just wasn't having it. I just I just don't want to feel old man. But what what happened in the locker room with you guys, Like when when stuff wasn't going right? Who was that guy? Like, give me a situation, who will step up and it's kind of take control of what's going on? Well, first off, on on what you just mentioned, you know, talking about not trying to be that guy, the old head that kind of views things

differently or whatnot. But like, I actually got to watch the locker room change. If you're fortunate enough to play long enough, obviously you've seen it, you'll you'll see the locker room dynamics change a little bit to the point where you know guys are in there, you know their their Instagram live. I'm like, the locker room is the place where like, like nothing else is involved, Like it's just us and we're talking about whatever. You can't do

that anymore with the new wave of guys. But as far as for you know, your question on on you know, um things changing and whatnot, I mean I just think I just think it just changes every every decade or so, you know what I'm saying. Things Just like the new kids nowadays, they're they're they're into you know, showing everything off right. They want to they want to let you know. I think I I'm seeing somebody, you know, they're filming the the team meets on Instagram Live. You know what

I'm saying, No, Like, what are you doing? Like that's that's you know what I'm saying. So it's just a new age, bro, It's just a new age. These kids are doing different things. Um, you just gotta I just look at as as you know what I'm used to and what it is anymore, you know what I mean, Just that that camaraderie, that bond, that that um, that secretness of being in the locker room because it was it was a privilege to be in there with all

those guys. And now it's a little different. You know, guys in there dancing and guys and doing all kinds of stuff, and it's just completely different from what we grew up kind of learning. You guys. Man at one point had the most dominant defensive football, I mean period, and y'all had a run. What was what was that like? Man? Like being on that team because there were so many big personalities, there were so many big guys, but it always seemed like everybody was on the same page. Like

nobody was trying to outshine nobody. Nobody was Uh, it was no finger pointing. You guys were, like I said, so dominant and such a collective group. Man, What was what was it like at that time? Man? It was awesome? And you know what what made us so good and so so great? I think it's not necessarily the stuff we did on the field. Is like we you know, the guys in the locker room, you're cool with a couple of guys outside of the locker room. Right on

game day, we all come together. We're gonna ride together. But the difference was that all of us actually until this day, still hang out with one another our kids. We have birthday parties and all the kids, you know, we're all the kids come together, We go on vacations together. I mean, these are all things that we're still doing to today. So I think it's just the genuine love we have for one another. Outside of football. We weren't just co workers, we were actually family. And I think

that's what made us so great. And also not want to let that person next to you down, you know what I mean, because we had that personal relationship now is and I gotta ride for Mike Bennet, I gotta ride for Bottom because I know their kids like their kids like it's almost like I feel responsible for their kids as well, you know what I mean. And and it just it just made us great, and it made us go out there and play for one another. And that's why we were so great for so long. And

I always say that too. When the great teams, the players run the team. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm sure Coach Carroll is a great coach, but the players control the locker room. And when it was time for us to tighten up, the coaches had to say anything. We we ran the locker room. And it seems like you guys had that same type of deal going on, no doubt, no doubt we ran in locker room. But you know what's crazy, Coach Carroll actually sets it up

for that. You know he doesn't like you know how coaches hype up before the scene before the game, like before we go out, you know, the coach comes in the middle, and you know does his Rob Rod and all that. Coach Carroll doesn't speak to the team at all, you know what I'm saying before the game, because he wants the team to be able to lead itself. He wants to he wants the leaders to kind of lead the team. So um, you know, I mean you have

to have those guys in the locker room. And and accountability is huge, right, um, being able to hold each other accountable but not be disrespectful. And how we we we we expect that from you, right, So everybody respected one another, but we held each other accountable. And it speaks back to the you know, the guys leading the team and not needing a coach to necessarily, you know, get you hyped up or anything like that. And you guys had had a great team, man like, just on

both sides of the ball. But Russell Wilson, dude, I mean I had hell playing against him. And when I'll never forget my my last me and my last year over the year before my last in Buffalo. We played them in Toronto and they'll be y'all dropped like fifty two on us right the point, like fifty play I do.

I never had fifty fifty piece put on me before in my life, right, And they were just running the hell out of that option play where they're gonna pull it or give it to Marshall, and they were running it and running it, and I just was hoping that that game clock just say zeros across the board because they just was gonna run that damn play over and over. Man. Just what obviously everybody see the he's he's a magician on the field and all the things he can do

and make plays. Man, But what what is about him that just separates him and why he's had this longevity that he's had so far. Man, that boys like Hugini. Man, he's making everybody miss you know what I'm saying. Um, But I would say that the biggest thing with Russ Man is one he knows who he is. Um. He's extremely confident, and he really believes everything that you hear

him say on game day or or whatever. Right, he really all he believes if he has an opportunity, all he needs is one chance and he'll go out there and make something. Thing's happen. Um. I mean I've seen the boy. I've seen him boy throw four interceptions in the game fourth quarter, rolls around and tells us, hey, hey, guys, like let's stay in it, Like, let's stay in it.

And half of us are looking at it, like, bro, we're down fourteen points, you know, gave up five and you're not threw five in its actually like your partner. And but like he's like, hey, all I need is one chance. And guess what he goes and do. He goes and pulls that game out, wins the game. You know, I'm saying, get him two drives back to back. He went out there, slashed him up, got us to the

second Super Bowl. So um um, you know, I mean, I just think he really believes all he needs an opportunity. He really believes, uh that that he can be great, and that's what he's chased. And that's why every year says year one he's gotten better. I mean statistically everything, he's gotten better this year not be the man, and

he's still finding ways to get better. And if he's not the NBB of the league, he's definitely the talks this year, which is insane to me because like, you guys had a dynasty and I read I read something some time ago where you were talking about like that play in the Super Bowl, how it kind of in a sense broke up that dynasty for a little bit, maybe changed like changed the course of the locker room, Like what what happened during that time? Like how did

that inflate everything y'all had going on? Yeah, So I think I think in the in the moment, me personally, I didn't really feel that right. I didn't think of it because you know what I mean, I'm I'm on to the next player. I'm I'm on to the next season. Like let's let's get this thing rolling. We got something special here. But I do think some guys kind of started to to to doubt. I guess the message something

somewhat because of how things played out. A lot of people might feel like it was pop poltics as well on basically why we didn't run in or whatever the case may be. So there's a lot of different things out there that I think could that play, and every individual, obviously um took it in differently, you know what I mean. Marshall might feel completely different from Russell Wilson or or myself. Like I said, for me, it was just man like, let's trap them up, let's go back out there. And

let's go win us another one. But then when I look back at it, I do think some guys uh felt some kind of way because they felt that camaraderie kind of shift a little bit, or the message of the philosophy shift a little bit in the way that game played out, And um, maybe guys held onto it a little bit longer than they should have, because I think we could have gone out there in one another one uh the next year, if if we would have

just kept that same mindset. I always always talked to LT about that enough, like, man, we had some squads oh six, oh we had and it's it's so hard man, you're talking about Russell. It's so hard when you have that type of a dynasty, that type of a team, because you know, I forget that, forget that one play you guys had up. You got contracts coming up, Guys get hurt. You know, people trying to get paid if you aren't, you're trying to get paid at that point

because you earned it. So you know that team is breaking up at that point, man, Like when did when did you guys know that that was starting to happen for and for us, I started seeing guys get traded. I started seeing guys get released, and you know, Michael Turner had left one year, and then this person and that person, and you started to see god to break up. What when did that happen? When you were You're like, okay, yeah,

things are things are changing a little bit. You know what we we as you know, right in the NFL, it's hard. It's hard to keep the same team around for two, three, four years because because what you just mentioned contracts, guys needing more money, or guys getting released

or traded or whatever the case may be. But honestly, up like we were, I think I felt like we were pretty dog on good and able to win the Super Bowl my first four years and the first four years with Seattle, whether it's thirteen four and fifteen, sixteen and seventeen was the year where everything kind of shifted, uh. And it wasn't more of you know, contract stuff, but more of injuries. You know, I went out shun uh camp chance to win out sharing towards Achilles that year

of publicis Achilles. That year, I mean, so many guys were just banged up, and it was like, man, are these guys getting old or you know, should we start looking to to kind of move out of out of these contracts because everybody was making big money, you know what saying? Everybody, everybody I just mentioned was was probably top five, top ten at their position. So um, you know, it becomes a business decision for the organization. Do we get rid of these guys and get somebody cheaper? You know,

all these different things. So I would say twenty seventeen was with the year where it completely changed. You know, you flip the page and it's a whole different team, It's a whole different vibe. I mean, you look at the team right now, it's only three guys. Four guys. I believe that are from the Super Bowl years, you know what I mean. And the fact that this forum is still impressive, Yeah, I mean because we know how

to turnover is in the league. Dude. You know what, Father time is gonna catch all of us and I don't care how how good you take care of your body. I don't care how great to shape you, and that Father Time gonna creep around the door and say, okay, it's time to have a seat. And it happened to everybody like me. I knew when I when I went to Buffalo and Initially I didn't want to go to Buffalo, like I was scratching and screen your buddy necks the gym called me. But Buddy was like, hey, we you

know we're picking you up off of waivers. And I was like, Buddy, I love you. I actually love this the fan base of Buffalo. But y'all owing six right now, I'm not coming out. I'm not coming I don't care

what you say. I'm not coming out there. And you had your stent with with the Lions as a sixteen, you know what I'm saying, Like I was the only player ever to to go O sixteen, didn't win the Super Bowl, so to go open sixteen as a rookie in the NFL, it was to the point where like for me, I almost was e tell the people I played in the league. You know what I'm saying, like like, yeah, you who you played for? Uh Cleveland? You know you

know what I'm saying. Like I would always say like I had to to pick the next worst team, right. So it was just one of those situations you go out after your first year, you gotta tell me, I can't even turn up, bro, I can't even turn up, Like think about that bro, you can't even go out and tell people you play in the league. You know what I'm saying like that, that's like, uh you know you have that Uh a star's up, bros. And who

you're playing for? Now? Get what's so just that that transition though, what I would say the difference was, at least from my benage point going from Detroit to Seattle was culture. Like culture is a big difference, and I think it plays a big role in and how successful

a team can be. Man. And you know, the culture in Detroit and kind of like football everywhere, it's real militant, you know, uh straightforward, you know you can't some some coaches actually having tucked your hoodie in and all kinds of mess right. But you get to Seattle, Man, they got music playing. You know, we're shooting groups before team meetings. It's just a good vibe. And um, that's why I think they've had so much success over this last decade

because everybody's just having fun. It ain't it don't feel so so um militant and so you know, straight by the book type of situation. It's, hey, have a good time. Once you go on that football field, turn up even more. I say the same thing, and I say it all the time. Like when I see these coaches coming in NFL for the first time and they come in super strict, they come in, Uh yeah, chuck your jerseys, do this, do that, And the first thing coming out my head is,

you guys gonna lose. You guys gonna suck because you can't come in there treating guys like their kids. These kids, these guys, these men have families, these guys, these men are rich already, the successful. This reason why they hear you come and treat them like kids. You know, it's just not gonna end well for you, and those guys are are completely different. No, I agree, I agree. You can't.

You can't. I mean, it's it's one of the few places, right thinking about this, she's one of the places where the guy in charges makes the least amount of money out of all the guys he's directing and traffic on. Right, So like in understanding that, it's more of a man Cliff every he got a wife and kids, Like why and I got a wife? Like why would I talk crazy to him? Why would I try to try to sun him? Why would I try to make play him?

As if he's a child. You know what I'm saying, talk to him like a girl, man, because he understands he needs to go out there and ball out so you can keep getting them checks so he can take care of his family. Right. So I just think some coaches they got that, maybe that college mindset where you know, when kids are eighteen, you can do that, but when you're talking to a thirty year old, you gotta you gotta chill out a little bit. Yeah. Now, I always

I always thought about him back in my head. I wanted to play for coach Carroll because I love this energy, right, And I'm like, man, this dude, he's gonna get me hyped and I'm gonna get him hyped up. And he's gonna get me hyped up. Like is he is he liked that all the time? Is he? Like? It's unreal, bro, I ain't a lie to you. Like, So, you know, how you become a free agent and GM the coach calls you, and you know, kind of kinda like recruiting

all over again in a sense. Right, So he calls me and I'm like, okay, that's like, hey, how how would you feel to be a seahawk? And you know when I'm trying to make this happen and all like just super ENERGYCT and I'm like, oh, this feels like college all over again. Know what I'm saying. When you get recruited, I'm like, Okay, cool coach. I appreciate it, you know, But in my head, I'm like, there's no way, you know, this is just all the fluff. Man. It took me two years Bro to buy in to him

really having that much energy. I'm talking about every day, just super hype. There is a lot of energy. The only only coach I know that's he might be seven years old now, Man, get out on the football field and launching it sixty seven yards downfield like playing catch, and it's just it's crazy, Bro. And and I think he he it's a genuine thing. But I also think he understands that stuff is contagious. You say, it's contagious

for the coaches, contagious for the players. If you're head man, the olders got in the building has the most energy. How can you not match that? You know what I'm saying. And it's been ever since I met him, he's been like that, man, And I ain't a lot It's it was a great time playing for Do you guys still you still keep in contact with him at all? Is at any point you guys still talk, because for me,

I still talk. I just had way You Phillips on the other day and still to this day, I think Way You Phillips, I said, you know what, you know, he don't want to take any credit for it. I'm like, I went to the pro bol a couple of times because of you, because I know you put me in a one on one situations with the back. Uh you know, you put me in some really good situations to win. So I just had a connection with my coaches. You still wrapped to them at all? Oh yeah, I still

talk to coach Carroll. I mean I'm I still talk to the GM John Snyder. I talked to uh, the D line coach. I mean I've always been that kind of person where like I mean, we we and this together, you know what I'm saying, Like we were about to go out here and battles together. Both of our lives muses that they're on the line. If I don't play well, I get cut and fired and guess what you might

guess around get cutting fired too. So it's It's one of those spaces where I just built relationships with the guys and I checked in with him. I still talk to dan Quinn down in Atlanta. I mean, I talked to a wide ranging coaches that that That has been a part of my life still to this day. Again, like I said, I think it's just important because we we understood that we needed each other for us to have success in the league, but also for our family and friends. Yeah, so one of the guys, man is

just it. I was talking about it the other day. How in the hell he not? He's not playing somebody's earl Thomas right, Um, dude, I'm so you know, kind of upsets me because it's like I don't care what you say about somebody to do play hard as hell. He played the game right, and I don't care if he fought. You know, you many teammates I fought before.

I mean some of my closest friends do. We fight in the practice and camp and then we go to the crib after and we're playing the Xbox and drinking, you know what I'm saying, Like it's just happened, man, So like to see anybody say something about that, dude, it's just it bothers the hell out of me. But what do you guys still talk at all? Yeah? I mean, in fact, I talked to Um probably four days ago. A matter of fact, you know, I check in with him. Um. It's it's crazy, kind of going back to what we

talked about earlier in the show. How how it's a different vibe now in comparison to to what it was when I played, because it was nothing for us to get in an argument in the fight and then later on that day go to dinner, you know what I'm saying, and later on that day, go go do something, you know what I'm saying. So, uh, it's shocking to me

that he's not in the league right now. It's crazy because in what space at least, I can't remember I topped my head that a player was All Pro one year and then out of the league the next year, and not due to injury, you know what I'm saying, Like that don't make no sense. And then there's so many injuries happening throughout the league, and you have to tell me this man, who I think is still gonna wear a gold jacket at some point, I can't have a job, and he's still he's still in tip top shape.

He's still you know, can play some ball and he can change up the defense. What I'm saying, so, I don't know what's going on. I don't know if I don't want to. I don't want to go down that road as far as or what they might be going to them. But it's just a weird space to be in. To see someone that's so talented, still playing at a high level, still coming off of All Pro season and not be on somebody's team right now. Yeah you could. You won't say it, but I will. I mean, there's

times you get black balled. And I'm not saying that people are collectively keeping them out, but you know, for me personally, being a former player, you hate to see an incident of one thing shadow over somebody's greatness and what they did over the body of their career, you know, because that, you know, to come across Errol Thomas is not easy. You're not gonna come across too Mineral Thomas is so to even see anybody say anything like that,

it's just crazy. Now, It's it's weird, man. And then, um, you know you talk about just being blackballed or whatever, is it about winning or is it about saving face? What I'm saying? What like, what is it about? Because if you're really about winning, you're gonna try to get the best players in there so to execute. Now. I don't know what the word is on him As a teammate. I can speak as a guy that played with him for four years. The man is awesome, you know what

I mean? Now, just like anybody else in the locker room, everybody comes from different backgrounds, everybody comes you know, everybody's a little different. But once you actually get to know him, and I think that's part of the problem with the Ravens is they didn't really get to know him. They didn't know him like we knew him that so you can accept and embrace who he really is because guess what, on Sundays, the boys will give you all you got

the boiling there in bold out right. So for us it was okay, he's just being he right now, but he is also like, we know what we're gonna get out him on Sundays, And it's just unfair. It's it's it's unfair that you get enough time to to kind of prove to his teammates that he is a great teammate that he is a great player and it's just unfortunately he's not on the roster right now, no, no doubt, no doubt. So speaking of great stuff, man, you um, you got a bunch of great stuff going on, right

What about that? The charity? Yeah, so we just had our seventh annual dining to make a difference, and it's it's based a celebrity and I hate saying the celebrity celebrity waiter event where all my home boys, all the Seahall players basically are waiters for the evening and people buy tickets, and it's the raise is to raise money for for my foundation, the Cliff Avery Family Foundation, which is geared towards juvenile diabetes and um, you know, just

living a healthy lifestyle. And this year we we switched it up a little bit though. We actually had players deliver meals to all the v I p s to their actual home, obviously going by the COVID protocol and different things like that. But it was a great turn out. We still were able to raise over a hundred seventy thousand dollars um in in in the pandemic and also obviously a lot of that money's gonna go back into the city here in Seattle. But it was a great

It was a great um event. And if you want more information on what the foundation is doing, check out Cliff Averel Family Foundation dot org. I mean, we're we're out here trying to you know, make change. That's dope, man, that's dope. Anything else you got you are you coaching? You coaching or something to right now? What you got going? Man? Actually, I just coached that All Star game. Man, my first

time coaching being on the sideline. I just coached a high school All Star game out here, and uh, it was great, man. It was fun um, you know, and my boys went out there and got like eleven or twelve sacks, you know. So I can't, I can't. I can't be mad at it. But it was a it was a great outing. It was good for the kids because a lot of these seams right now, they're not getting the senior season, so they can't get that film

to get that recruit right that recruitment going. So that All Star game was to help them get more film, to get some schools to kind of notice them and hopefully, you know, be able to get a scholarship somewhere that's dope, my dude. Hey, Man, I appreciate it. Uh. You know, anytime, anytime you need me, dog, I'm there. Um, please let me know if I can step in and soon just pandemic over Man, we'll catch up and uh I'll make sure we get all this stuff posted up on on

your foundation, everything else you got going on. For sure, Man, I appreciate you having me. Man, keep doing your thing, Bro. Like I said, Man, since I was seventeen, I kind of always looked up to you, Bro, and I'm still paying attention to the different moves that you're making. Man, So keep inspiring, keep being yourself man, and next time you know, we're chopping up soon don Dale. Bro appreciate it, Yes, sir,

I'm good. Hey guys, thanks for listening today. I had a great time talking to uh Cliff Avroel uh that leading the bomb team that they had up there. We've got a chance to talk about Pete Carroll Man and some of the misconceptions about him and his mergy levels, which is just ridiculous. I think he's what seventy years old now, but he has energy as a thirty year old just running around and bouncing around. Also, um, the game has changed a little bit from the time that

we played. I played and how the locker rooms have just shifted over the time. So I appreciate you guys listening. Then, uh, make sure you subscribe to the Sean Merriman Lights Out podcast. We're gonna keep this thing rolling. See you again next week.