Shawne Merriman Talks With New Orleans Saints All-Pro Defensive End Cameron Jordan.

playing well. Right now. We'll get into uh talking about Drew Brees, my former teammate in two thousand five with the charges, and I don't think that people understand how good this dude is. Its preparation and how much time he takes uh in order to get ready for games, some of the things he's done off the field as well. Uh, we get into Michael Thomas and him being a teammate.

You know, it's been a lot of talk over the last few weeks um outside talk anyway about him possibly being a problem or him being not a great teammate. And you know, one of the first things that I say when I see a guy that good is let me tell you something. There's no way that he isn't a great teammate because he does everything he needs to do in order to go out and perform the way he's performing. We talked a little bit about that and also,

is Drew Brees better than Tom Brady? Right? I mean, for me, it always comes across as I'm hating a little bit, but I'm not hating. But he came out camera. Jordan came out of last a couple of days ago and said that he believes that Drew Brees is better than Tom Brady. Um, I personally believe the same thing. Now, brains count rings a big deal. You're always gonna get judged by how many Super Bowl rings you've got. We'll

give that to the gold status on that end. But as far as comparison, side by side, quarterback from quarterback, Drew Brees to me and my opinion is better than Tom Brady. So let's listen to cam camera Jordan, Guys, what's going on? My dude? How you doing? I'm good, I'm good. You know, shout out congrats. I'm sorry it took a little longer. I saw you your lights out. We got in with belatory and I'm like, are we're moving on up? You know? Yeah, that's right, that's right now.

Now I got my the only with lights out of Extreme Fighting. Yeah, that was belatory a couple of years ago when I was working with them. You know, it's funny, I was actually gonna fight. I was. I was reaching. I was reaching out to you because I was seeing what your schedule is. Like, I was gonna invite you to a fight if I was to have one. Damn, I say, okay, I said, I said, look, I seen you. I see you spar with a young Eric uh, you know, Chris McCain get get uh cow kid, and now turning

fighting on the on the your stuff. So I said, I see y'all playing around, dude. So so that's one of the things I was telling a lot of people too, because I said, Chris can go Chris. Chris actually can ball too on the field. And I always bring up this thing. I said, there's gonna be a lot of former football players, especially transition you know, transitioning into m M A. Because it's like natural force, you know what

I'm saying. Like a lot of the movements and stuff that we do, it's just natural because we're so damn explosive, man. But we're you know, behind the curving and just learning like little techniques and stuff like that. Right, I say, I've seen I've seen herschel Walker went at forty some years old getting the ringing. Yeah, and then so speak speaking of hands and violent hands, how are you gonna

do that to my charges? Man? Seriously? Like, yo, when look when I was watching the video and see me being like a former pass, hush you dude, I'm looking at you. We're still looking like we're watching films. Right. So I'm sitting in there and I'm seeing that chocolate blah blah, and I'm like, oh, man, after the game when I hit you, I was like, man, I was just brought out one of them jack Anders back in the game. But I was like, I was like, I'm disrespectful.

So I was like, I'm just gonna keeping to himself. Dude. I would have ran through my TV. Man. I'd be getting so high when casts be doing it, because you know, I'm you know, I missed that, um but you know, just you know, going back to the past, Russian man. Like, how like for me when I first started, I wasn't all that great with my hands. You know, man, I just wasn't like I was really using my athleticism explosion because I can run and I'm you know, big and

strong and all that stuff. But I wasn't really active like that with my hands earlier on. Man, when did when did you start to make that like a priority? Um? I mean, I feel like hands has always been something that I've been here for, you know. Uh, I feel like Pops and Driller to me when I was young, just like, hey, when you get up, when you get ahold of man, never go down the middle of a man.

You know, always work half a man. So I'm thinking it's low key by birthright that I've always been able to, you know, use hand extension except etcetera. But you know, I try and tell people I didn't start off the past searc I started off. You know, they drafted me to play a four eye, they drafted me to play three. They don't really want me to put me on that edge. You know. I came in like defensive hands are like, you know, two thirty, two thirty five. You know, some

some guys are like two sixty me. I came in a smooth to eighty eight like and I had I had a cut wait to eighty seven being on on uh, you know whatever the combine was like, I didn't. I didn't come in like I came in ready to stop that run. So you you didn't. You never tripped out? Really when they moved you from that, from that technique to that was like a seven or why you didn't? It was an easy transition. It's a lot less contact,

maybe late when you ain't hitting them platforms every every dawn. Andy, all you gott is this is a tight end. I'm gonna put hands on the tight end right right. And I said, that's when I played my whole career outside linebacker for you know, with the charges and in pass rush for Nicol. I put my hand in the dirt. But I hated it. I hate playing to run from from a six technique or even a tight seven. I want to be so wide, you know what I'm said, I want to be so wide outside the tight end whatever,

why not, I don't care. I want I wanted to be away from the contact period. Now I see it. Look, look everybody knowing building. I'm like, I come to practice. I'm like, hey, it's time for these hands to day. Somebody gonna get them. You know, I'm over here like to you, which one of your tight iss which one of your tackles. It's it's all love. I just lie down to a three check on some plays like I'm here for yeah. Well and then and so Sean was was Sean Payton the part of that process when when

you came in like that. So when you came in, he was. He was just cool with it because im I go back with Sean Payton. Man, I love me some Sean Man. He's just just cool cat. Uh. We hung. We just hang out a lot during the all season sps and all that stuff. Man. He always been real, real, down on earth. And I could just tell, man, he's a great coach. But how is he? You know, being around him every day, I mean Sean, Sean is awesome.

I mean, I'm I'm lucky in my mind. I've never like really had a head coach that was a defensive guy. You know what I'm saying, Like, if Sean come down, it's something ain't going right. So my best, you know, my best days when I don't talk to Sean at all, like during the game day, like I don't want to see him at all. And then if you come down. I love all these plays were still we're gonna through thirty blades, five of them scored. I still got forty

five plays left to go. You know, he's like, all right, Sean, but he coming down for defense. It's never a good thing. It's never for like positive reinforcements. It's like, what who doing I need the ball back? A Hey, we gotta he turn over time. Hey hey, you heard what he said sign a rope. But I mean, I mean I came in. I came in day one and he just he was like, look, we need to play the run. That's what we can need. We got we got some

vettering guys. We had Junior Glad of the time. We had Will Smith R and p Too, the big homie um, you know, we had Jeff Charleston. It was like, look him, like, we want you to come in play play this run played before I your first second down. And when I first came in there like you know, you gotta earn your right to pass rush. So practically the whole first year I was like, man, I was like, all right,

we're just doing pass rush. But I got on the second year, I was like, all right, well I'm showing what I got and I'm never gonna look back. I know that feeling too, because I went from Marty Schottenheimer who was a defensive coach, and it was the opposite way. He never really went on the offense, like if we if we kicked the offense, asked doing practice, then we had a great dead of practice. If the offense kicked our ass, then it was just a terrible day. Everybody suck.

And then North came in. North Turner was like he was an offense. So if we kicked the offense, as they look to us like it's a terrible day. Now the mindset had changed from having a defensive coach to offensive coach. I say, look, I don't know anything about that because if if offense has a terrible day, we know we running extra grasses and training camp. We know he's got me getting it in. Oh we're looks like to that no deepense was bading get on the line. Yeah,

now that makes sense, That that makes sense. I don't know what it's like like defensive ball and we had a great day. No, that's not how that works. But see, you know that's what's crazy to me because when I came in, uh, you know, Drew was there. Drew Brees, he was in my rookie year, and then was when you're coming in. I was, I was drafting a twenty years ol. So you really don't understand, like everything that's

going on around you. You don't know. You got Drew Brees there and their Philip Rivers there right behind them. So you you get so accustomed to see these dudes work and see how it is, and you just all of a sudden like think that it's always gonna be like that your whole career being around some my to else and how people ask me about Drew Brees all times to do not only was he just worked, he was always focused, always on on point with the task,

just a crazy amount of work. But during the off season, dude, when he tore him when he messed up his arm after you know, two thousand and five, and I was working out with him doing the off season and I got a chance to see him off the practice field, how he was working. Drew Brees is on another level. Man. The amount of time and and and and his focus

and preparation is is sick. Right. I was like, he's so meticulous about everything, like he's had this he probably had at least the same routine in the last ten years I've been on this team. Like everything is so like like this is what I'm gonna do, this is what I do. I mean, I would call it Drew

Breeze aerobics. The way he takes to the fielding. He's out there like warming up before he even gets to the gym, like, and he's always like he's always doing something active, either for his shoulder or for his core. You know, he's he's always working on something. And then of course, you know you talked about that film work. He's in there. He's in there every day when when we're leaving, like, I'm like, all right, that's Drew in

the film work. Because me, I'm here for you know, I'm here for hands, I'm here for the hand eye coordination bit, I need all the extras um. But I cann't imagine what he's doing that in that room. Yeah, knowledge, man, just so that whole thing that, you know, when it came out and people are coming down on him, and I was like, man, I know Drew man like, and I know his family, know his wife, knows kids, has just been around him. And so I came out and you guys know him in the lock room and being

around him all the time. I came out, I defended him, like right away, I said, look, Drew might have said something wrong and made a mistake, but this ain't this Ain't that dude, This ain't that guy because Dreda he stood up for people when he didn't when he didn't need to. He just donated so many so much money

and helped out so many people throughout his career. And so when all that was going down, man like you can speak to him and your on your end, how you know, guys kind of came together and probably helped him out of the locker room. I was like, man, this some of the stuff that's being said about Drew. I said, I wasn't having it because if I know somebody directly and I know what type of person he is, I'm not they are. I'm not going to let anybody make a bigger thing that I bought it within what

it is. I mean, it hits on a different level when you have actually know the person you know, especially when you know what he does with the community, especially when you know you know how his family is and your kids interact each other. It's like Yo, Like there is that like you're trying to you're trying to paint

my man something that he isn't. Now I know exactly where it came from, because you know, if you if you know Drew Brees, he has a huge offenny towards the military because you know the men and his family who sort of raised him and his grandparents, you know, they both served for the world, you know when the when in the World War. So it's like now I get, I get what you did? You know, I mean, And at that point in time that that's probably what hurt the most is like you were so quick to wrap

yourself up in the flag. It was like you didn't answer the question that you should have, Like you were like this is my family ground band, Like that's how I feel about it. It was like yo, But at the same time, it's like all right, but the same flag you wrap yourself up, and like I'm on the phone with you, like, hey, explain yourself because you didn't

get a chance. Like you were on it was on like some Yahoo finances of talk, trying to talk about like Jimmy John's and Dunkey Donuts, and he sort of got this question. So he wrapped himself up in the defensive maneuver. But that's not what you're like. You know, you didn't address a question. So I was like, yo, I just need to know where you stand, like what's up? And you know, immediately he probably had ten calls from the same same type of wave like hey, I need

to know exactly where you stand. Where are you at? And to Drew's credit, I mean, Drew's gonna answer the phone. If you called Drew, Drew's gonna pick up the phone. We talk it out, we hashed it out, it's done, it's done deal. And then well, what's great about it is, you know, to say her name. Initiative with the Saints came through out of it. I mean it opened up the whole whole situation and not only talk just to Drew,

but it was to all of our teammates. It was a four you know, to to open up the floor to anybody and everybody to say, hey, this is where we had in America, this is how we are uh as as people. And if you feel differently, let us

know so we can talk about this now. And if you don't understand, which made many of many of you guys on the team will never be able to set foot in our footsteps, be able to be you know, be be in a car and driving and then be pulled over and you're like, what am I being pulled over? Because because my Ben says I need to be pulled over and not because of what I'm speeding or whatever

it is. And not only pulled over, but to now, you know, cop feels some sort of way because you're six ft four standing behind the steering wheel and you know automatically, you know, asked to get out the car. Some guys are never gonna go through that. You feel, me like, nothing like nothing can prepare you for being six ft four pounds in a in a brand new vehicle and you know for real, and and everybody you know, to me outside looking in, like everybody is supporting them

the way you're supposed to. Because, like I said, when you from the outside looking in and see somebody say one thing twenty seconds worth of whatever he said, and then everybody in the locker room, everybody had his back. Man, I was like, that's dope. Like to me, that was dope because you've got all these people coming down on you so many um Like I sometimes people don't know what the hell goes on the locker room. They don't know what's gonna so they got all this stuff to say.

But as anybody say, the only people that matter really is in this locker room. So I'm gonna stay with with Drew Bridge was because you said something the other day that made me smile from ear to ear, And it was about Tom Brady about Drew Brees being a better quarterback. Where you were you serious when you said that? Because I've been my own. Hey, I've been I've been serious every time I said it. I ain't like it's

not like it's the first time I've said it. I'm like, Yo, nobody's gonna ever take away six rings from from Tom Brady. He's when you think of success in terms of winning championship, that is Tom Brady. You think of the goat of rings, Tom Brady, Michael Jordan, you know, like the things you can't just be Bill Russell, you know, like rings, you cannot just people. But when you talk about talent, you talk about putting together the most five thou r season.

As you talk about completion rate, you talk about most touchdowns ever, Drew Brees, like stats don't lie so when I say, go he's the greatest quarterback ever and I went that to it, and it's it's crazy because when he did in two thousand five, when he heard his arm I was probably about maybe about thirty or forty feet away right now, and I've seen him reaching for the ball and do when I tell you like I literally heard his shoulder it sounds like a tree brand

like pow, and him coming over not being able to put his arm down. I was like, no, the's no way, there's no way he's playing again. And we're working out with Todd Durkin uh at fitness quests out there and uh In saying, yeah, you go to the off season, shout out my boy TV. We're working and I remember Drew couldn't throw football like ten yards. And we'll go buy a few more weeks and he's sitting over there doing his band work and getting everything right in his rehab.

In the next few weeks he'll come out and he threw a fifteen yards. He threw a thirty yards. So when he came back and started lightening up the NFL like he did, I said something, something has to be said about the way he's playing and he's half played over the last you know, ten of ten years or how you know, ten plus years two somebody else that happened to nobody else is coming back like that. No one, not nobody that I know with that kind of injury

and injury. But Drew Brees is a whole different animal, right, That's what I'm saying, Like, like when did when did the Saints get him? Two thousands? Was like two six and two seven? Yea, like the year after he broke

he tore everything. But I mean that that's that's probably even more so why he's a goat, because I mean this last fifteen years stretch that he's put together would put you in the Hall of Fame, and let alone after you're coming off of something like this, Like some guys don't come back from that, you know, especially quarterbacks, and you know how sensitive their arms are and everything that they do. Their mechanics have to be rebuilt from ground up. Yeah, it's a no brain in my book.

But you know, facts, fact, facts prove themselves. Yeah, a hund of percents, y'all got um um you know, tough, tough division man, and you gotta you know, obviously see Tom Brady twice a year. And I said this the other day, And I hate to say certain things because it sounds like I'm a Tom Brady hater. And I am a little bit because they put my ass out of the playoffs enough, so I gotta I got a little special hate my heart for him here and there men,

And it's nothing against him being a great quarterback. But what what do you see now? Man? And like that division? Um, now that he's moved over and and and like what's what's what do you what do you think is gonna happen for because you guys to may my opinion, gonna gonna see them again, possibly down the road. You know what I'm saying, He's going to see him playoffs again. Have to wax him again. Um. But I mean when you when you come down to it, you talk about,

you know we are you already have Atlanta Falcons. You have Julio Calvin Ridley, you know that, and those two guys are you know great, Like Julio for sure is a great and Caw really is as a hell of a burdener, you know like that boys toasting cats right now? Um? You talk about you know Carolina Teddy Bridgewater love the way love Teddy as as a person, love Teddy as a QB, and the way he takes it the game. Um. And then of course you're talking about Ristian McCaffrey back there. Uh,

that's I mean, these are tough. These are just tough matchups are altogether. And of course you talked about you know, Tom Brady coming in and you've got you already had Mike Ms, already had Chris Guy when you already had you know, uh, Aaron Jones, and now they now they bring in Leonard for a net, they bring in Shady McCoy you signed, and they've signed you know, signed Grondkowski, signed Antonio Brown. Now, I mean at this point there,

they're stacked beyond all belief. And at the same time, they still gotta you know, they still gotta see us, They still gotta do with us. But our division stats. I mean I look at him like, I'm like as sack as sacking wise, it's tough just because you know, Tom Brady gets that ball out of his hands quick now.

So so one of the things I want to talk about, man is is Michael Thomas, right, because this is obviously there's no doubt about his talent to me, I think he's probably one of two best best wife receives I want. I'm gonna go with one. I would say he's the best wife receiving in the NFL, and I don't. I just don't like when you start bringing up things with players like their problems, right, you know what I'm saying, Like these dudes are they've been around for a long time.

They don't. You don't. First of all, you don't get to that level unless you're working your ass off. He's spending tons of time, um and you really you really putting everything into the game, so that that alone right there, You don't have that type of dedication and those type

of results without doing that. So whenever whenever I see guys like, oh you know, oh there's something, if there's something going on down there, what's the deal going, I'm like, dude, you don't get to that level by being a problem in the organization. You don't stay around that long. Like what's what's your whole take when you hear something like that.

I mean, especially when you're talking about might Tan. Might two is like the ultimate competitor, Like he takes practices like he's in a real game, you know, what I'm saying, like he runs routes and that's exactly the routes you see that practices that routes you that you'll see it that same speed, intendancy, intensity in the game and he gets it. He gets into it with r dbs there dbs like he writes the way that he runs a round, he treats the way that he runs around at the

high level. I always compare him to uh to like the intensity of Steve Smith. You know what I'm saying, Like there is no there is no middle ground. He's zero or he's a hundred at all times. And I mean you respect him because every you know, he's bringing in every practice. It's not like it's like, oh he's he shows up on game day, he balls out. Now He's there a balling out every day. So if if if him, you know, if he feels d beholding him,

he addresses that same thing. And this is pretty much great for competition in terms of spirit and energy for the team because it's like yo, that elevates everybody else's play as well. Like just think about it. You know his route tree. Not too many people running every route. My Tea's running every route in the book and I mean, this is his level separation, is his point of contact.

All of that is at such a high rate. It's like our dbs have to match that intensity and things get heated, as you know on the football team, Like it's gonna get heated. We're a brotherhood for a reason, Like we're not basketball, we're not soccer. We don't like, we don't push each other and get offended. Like you like, whatever's done on the field, by the time he gets the locker room, we'll either hash it out or we will hash it out there. And once it's done, it's done.

And then of course media spends it. However they're gonna spend it and like, oh there's termoil and locker room. Locker room has never been closer. What are you talking about? But I mean, but that's just it. It's it's it's the integrity of the locker room that keeps everything safe. And I will say that I'd rather take playing with one of a dude like that than playing with a guy that really don't give a ship, you get what I'm saying, Like, I'll play I'll play with somebody's fire.

Were just gonna fight with dvs, hash it out, get in you know, co say something and he get it back because it's fired. Man, like you, you rather play with those type of guys that somebody that's gonna drop balls or don't want to compete and nothing bothers him. Man, I'm with you, like nothing, nothing's worse than you see somebody just like drop ball and just like all right, well next place, like bro, he's gonna piss me the

hell off. Like my my competitive level is too high for me to see something like some some sluggish type, you know, behavior like somebody who was like, oh I just meant I dropped it and jop back like I don't, like I don't even think I don't. I don't have it in me. So I mean when I see them from another teammate, I'm already charging him up. Like but that's what's so great about it. Guess our team is everybody's like that, Like all our dvs. Everybody who take

to practice field is really like that. I mean, yeah, I've had, I've had. You know, you have some teammates that you years back or whatever that you'd be like, bro, like where's your gear? Like no, man, Like I get the Sunday and that's when I show my gears what like, bro, Like you can't you can't bear you, you can't bear your things on Sundays if I ain't seen on Monday through Saturday, Like I don't trust you, I don't trust your bit like I gotta, I gotta, I gotta know

that there's dog in that fight. Right. No, everything all good down there? Um, So what's next? Man? You got anything coming up? Any events? Charity stuff? What you got? Man? You know I'm always working on That's That's why I'm I'm always working. I mean, I'm so proud of you know, I have the same time, uh sort of got behind to Say Her Name initiative. I mean you talk about you know, Tomorrow Davis and Malcolm Jakins and sort of being like the Brave and children of putting together like, hey,

what can we do as a team? What can we do as infective team? And just coming together between me drawing Armstead album, Kamarrow and Drew Breeze uh and figuring out what we're gonna do, um and sort of putting

together with the Player's coalition. This this Say her Name initiative has been phenomenal and sort of like I understand, you know, I understand just a little bit more like everybody knows about the Philandel Cuts steals, everybody knows about their mod are boris everybody you know, But it's the Ianna Stanley Jones, it's the Vett Smith's, It's it's the women that He's like every ten men you here, you don't understand there's still you know, twelve women that are

in the same position. Like there's so many women and Black women that are affected in so many different ways. It's like, how are we not catching Like how is nobody caught this ball? Um? And it puts a light on black women and their plight in America, which is huge. And then we're able to bring in, you know, the black women in the industry. So we've got you know, we've got some w NBA players and Tasha Cloud, We've got you know, we've got MJ. Cost We've got Taylor Brooks,

We've got um. Yeah, at this point, we've got we've got all of your Marie Taylor, We've got a collective. It's like, Yo, we're catching all this insight about them into them sexism. It's like everything that you we take for granted our day to day lives of how we

go about our business. It's like this just another side to it, UM, and understanding that it's like, you know, being married to a woman, being married to what black women having black black daughters, it's like you're getting a visual, visual prowess of what their futures could be or whatever it is, UM, and it brings that much more to us, Like how how did I not think about this beforehand? Um?

And just you know that just goes to community work with my God is Love foundation to dream builders and you know, and how I partnered up with the YEP Empowerment or Youth and Prompowerment Projects UM YEP uh and just with the kids of of of New Orleans. UM. Always trying to do something for him and it's like, all right, well, now what can I do for the you know, the black women in them in New Orleans.

It's like, you know, we started up like a diaper fund during COVID, where you know, we were giving out diapers and UM and UH and whatever the kids, you know, whatever their babies needed for uh mothers who were sort of out of work during co it. But I mean it's always something like, you know, I'm always in the commune. I'm trying to do for someone forgure out what's next, and so you know it's it's it's never any process because when you've been blessed as much, how can you

not try and get back positivity? That's dope. Man. Well we'll keep up all that, man, and let me know anything I can do on this and for this's promoting and showing up after this whole COVID thing slow, which is just oh my god, whenever I can't wait for this whole thing to be over bro um. But yeah, man, whenever you name me, man, I'm there. We'll keep up everything you're doing and stay healthy. You know, that's the name of the game. That's name. How do you how

your body holding up right now? But how you feel? Man? Actually really good? Look I'm trying to tell you, like you know, we we got done play in Chicago. I think there's like seventy some snaps there. I probably played like sixty of It was like after the game, I was like it once you get back to being warm, because I was probably the second coldest game I've ever played. But it was like what was like a woman was like, yo, I'm actually like really good, like you know, woke up Monday.

You know, some some of the days you're like, all right, I'm about to be sore your Wednesday. No, come Monday, Like, all right, let's go get it. We trained hard Monday, had my little uh you know, we got a little hill in the back of this place. Tore the hell up. I'm ready to go get it this week. You gotta be one step faster where you're playing Tom Brady. You just get the ball out that fast, yeah, and you can come plain. Sometimes he that ball is still gone

and you're just sitting around. Oh my god, it's not That's the honestly the worst feeling when you beat somebody either clean because they forgot to slide or taken block you off the edge, or you just hit somebody with a chop club and you right past them and that ball is gone and you're like, man, I'm sick. That started been a story of my last couple of games. Man, Like, like the first couple of days of season, I was like, I'm winning at the high rate and I still can't

get there. I was like, all right, Like you know, when you get too thirsty and then you still start like lunging for sacks, then you know, whole like or trying to trying to throw your hand in there for a half sack and if then you can get no doubt. Just like I said, when you get to thirsty, it's never good look. But anyway, all right man, no, hey, bro, I appreciate you man, good looking out dude, no doubt,

no doubt. Bless me, Bro, I'm out. Thanks guys for listening in to another lights Out podcast with Nie Shawn Merriman. Uh Camera Jordan's man is just you know, one of the one of the good dudes running NFL. A hell of a pass Russia, and I didn't know that. I didn't know that he came in playing defensive tackle and moved to defensive end until just now. But that was cool.

He also got into it a little bit about Sean Payton, how his mindset is, and how great of a coach and how much he loves playing, uh playing for him, also getting into Drew Brees and um, you know, he had an incident some months ago and um, you know everybody one came down on him quite a bit for um, you know, I guess in the same speaking out of term and not talking about with um some of the problems that you know, black men and women deal with

today in the day's time. But his teammates and Cameron Jordan especially, these guys called him and made sure that it was everything was smoothed over, and then they got a great locker room and great support there and Camra Jodan obviously has a ton of things going on helping a lot of people there and foundations in UH in New Orleans, Louisiana. So thank you guys for listening into another episode on the Lights Out Podcast with me Sean Merriman.

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