Shawne Merriman Talks With Former All-Pro Safety From The Dallas Cowboys Roy Williams

But Roy Williams, man, um, you know, came in a two thousand to play safety there the Dallas Cowboys and one of my favorite guys to watch as I was coming in and drafted in two thousand five. We're just coming downhill man of bringing the heat. I mean, this dude really really brought to wood and uh what I call the last one of the last of the dying breed where uh you got guys are just coming and play the game the way it's supposed to be played.

And somehow, some way they implemented that damn horse collar rule and that was one of the guys. I believe that they might have been targeting, at least he feels that anyway. But he's doing a bunch of great stuff now. Just talking about the Dallas Cowboys now, man, and what they're putting on film and the lack of effort, um, and how the locker room is different than when he played, and how the locker room and and the team is playing now, um, and so it's not something that he's

accustomed to and he's been accustomed to. And he said it's a lack of effort. I said the same thing. They're just showing a lack of effort right now and got to get it together. So again, Roy Williams, man, you still look like you can. You can come down here a little bit right now. I can come down here. That ain't ever going anywhere. Man. You know you got that you have to be able to do that. Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead, jump in the man, because I

got some stuff now because I used to uh. I used to watch you a lot, man, especially when I came into the league, and you always have like these you know guys you look at no matter what position they are, but when they go off and they start cracking skulls, You're like, man, I'm gonna watch that, dude, because that's you know that anybody who guys like you who made me want to play football. Man was coming downhill. Um, you know, just played the game the right way, you

know what I'm saying. So well, I look at the day's game now, and people ask me all the time would I still be able to play? And I said, probably not. I don't think so. You think, how do you think you can play in the day's game? No I can't. I want that would Uh yeah, because these rules, you know you you wanted to see them too. Taking care of guys, right, you don't want to see anybody get hurt or injured. You know the hell meant the helmet stuff, great, I got it. You want to protect

guys as much as possible possible. But hell man, at the same time, still it's still football. You know. You gotta let guys go out and play. Oh for sure. I mean it's it's tough. I mean it's I actually have some troll on on Twitter talk about um. He posted an old oh seven or oh six clip Donald Nab and a horse collar them and he was like, oh, you're a dirty player. And I decided to land to him, you know, how to let him know, like, look, first off, um, my first five or six years in the league, the

horse color wasn't even a thing. And I said, it's crazy, how in the one hundred years that the football has been around, all of a sudden, the NFL wants to deem that a dirty player. And now I'm a dirty player? So what about the guys that came before me? Are they dirty players? Too? Like? Come on, like, come on, dog, you're gonna get rid of me? Do you know? You know they always need the excuse, They always need a reason. Uh, you know, but you know what I gave him? Right?

But okay, So so this's the thing. I always said this. I hate when, like when when a younger player, like when I'm playing or something like that, or another guy that came in like during our area era and you have a guy to play, like in early nineties, and they will say all these guys are soft down days and this and this. I was like, dude, look the games moved on, you know, And I always looked at the old guys as haters, right, like, come on, do

like the game? Okay, yeah, the game changed, but there's no need to really come and step down on the guys in today's game. But now me being retired, you know, for all these years, I'm looking to get the game now, and I'm like, man, that's soft. They can't call that. So I now putting myself in the same situation as as one of the older guys, I'm like, damn, did I did I just get over real quick? Or what happened? Yeah, it's it's um watching today's game. I mean, they just

have to conform to the new rules. I get that. But what I was I grew up on was Steve Attwater, Ronnie a Lot, you know what I mean, Darren Woodson, John Lynch. Those are the guys I got to watch, and Ronnie was leading with this form. What was I doing? Leading with my form? I mean I was doing everything

that I watched the guys before me do. And so nowadays, I mean, like, if you think about it, if you see a hard hit in the league, now, the first thing a defender does he looks up and look to the side, you know, to the left or right, wherever he is at, or where the reference at to see if you got a fifteen ye a plenty. That's not football. Yeah, so that's not football. I want I say the same thing, and people don't understand that you got a split second, right,

so you're seeing a guy there. You see nobody catch the ball or run or whatever it is, and you gotta split second to make a decision. And and what's going on in my head is I want this guy on the ground by any means necessary. If I got to run through you, if I you know, gott to hit you with certain parts of my head, whatever it is, I want this guy and you you want to punish him. And I want to make the the distinction between trying to hurt somebody and then letting them know that you're there.

You're not trying to go out and intentionally, you know, hurt anybody because they got families and they got a career. But if it's fair game, man, I'm ship I'm getting you on the ground by any means necessary, period, exactly exactly. And that's the way. That's the way I played the game. It's by any means necessary. I'm mean, I let my teammates snow. You can't even get it. I'm sorry, Like I mean, I had friendly fire a ton of times.

It wasn't intentionally, but I mean I hit Darren Was and I head Terence Snoon when I had Keith Davis, Anthony Henry, Aaron Glenn. I mean, I had a whole bunch of guys on accident, but they were they were close. I got the other guy too, But you were just hey, you hit by some friendly fires. I was just I was just a boy to say a friendly fire. Yeah yeah. But when you crossed, when you go in between those white lines, it is on. There ain't no I mean, there's no prisoners. I mean you're out for I was.

I was out. I come to speak for myself. I was out for blood. So I came in. I was drafted an oh five and she I don't know if you knew this or not, but you know I was supposed to be drafted by you guys when you were when you're playing. So yeah, So what happened was right before the draft, and you guys got that. You didn't make a wrong pick. You got to Marcus Ware. I mean,

don't get I mean, it wasn't like they made a mistake. Well, so when I came there doing the dreft before the half, they brought in like their top ten or fifteen guys that they were looking at in the first round. So they flew us all out to Dallas and I was there on my visit and we're all in the locker room. You got all the guys. You end up going somewhere in the top fifteen. So I'm down there just everybody else. But they're showing us the locker room, showing us the facility.

And one of the things I saw on there, I saw who's the Larry Island. So we came in and you guys working out one day, and then we was in the gym. I looted you not I saw Larry to throw full plates and they I didn't see him warm up, and he cranked that thing out for like four or five and like at least ten and fifteen times, and I couldn't I couldn't believe my eyes. I said, Holy ship, this this is what this is what I have to face when I get up here. This is wild.

I didn't know how strong he was. So we go through the gym and while watching all the guys workout, I'm seeing everybody up close for the first time. So we walked through the locker room and next thing I know, somebody came and grabbed me from downstairs and they said, hey, um Parcels and Jerry Jones, they want to see you upstairs. So the first thing, you know, you think that when something happens, I said, okay, what did I do wrong? Right? The first thing to go through my head, Okay, what

what did I do wrong? Because everybody else downstairs they said they want to see you up in the office. So I said, okay, cool. He walked me upstairs and Jerry Jones and Bill Parcels and sitting in there in the office and we get to talk and they said, look, we got the leventh pick of the draft. Now we don't think you're gonna be there at the leven. We think you would be somewhere in the top five, top eight.

And I said, okay, cool. When they said if if you're there by the eleventh pick, we're gonna draft you. And I was sitting there like, oh, you know, I didn't think that they were gonna tell me the way they did. They said, no, no no, if you're there by eleven pick, we're gonna draft you. I'll never forget. Bill Parcels. The first thing he said to me, he said, Shanan, when you get here, I'm gonna work the hell out

of your ass. And so I'm thinking in my head, I'm twenty years old, man, I'm like, I'm not trying to come here and plank damn Bill ourselves, because you know I heard, you know, you heard about him how you was and everybody else back in the day and he coach Lawrence Tailor and something, a lot of great players, and you would just hear how he went at everybody. And I got my first dost of Bill Parcels in

that office. He said, yeah, when we drafted you, as soon as you get here, we're gonna work your dog pits out of you. And I was like, oh my god. I was like, oh my, so you played, I mean you played for how was he man like? It was? I love Coach Parcels, man Um. I didn't like the fact of when he came in he literally just came up to him as like, you're not gonna be a one dimensional of safety. You're gonna have to play cover two, which I can do that. I didn't like to do

that because I like to pop my paths. I like to get in there and get messy with the big guys. Um. But I I mean I did that, and I mean I was one of I would say I was one of his guys. I truly was. I was his style of play guy that he liked hard knows, Um brought the wood, you know, didn't have any quit any of that. I was his guy. I was one of his guys. I um. And he used to always have these little sayings like one he would say, he would say to Tony Romo, so he would say, you're like, uh football

and high weeds, you're lost our thieve would have. He would have all these little sayings, man. And he used to always tell me it was me only a few people, me, Larry Allen and like Darren Woodson, and he's always come up to us and just whisper. I got one good fight left in me. Don't make me use it on you. I mean, but that was coaching back to Larry Allen. That was Larry's warm up without it out. I experienced the same thing that you experience. He'll throw three or

four plates on there. Boom boom, bump, bump bump. Done. You know what I mean. And um, but that was just Larry. Larry was. He was a different animal. And um. It was one time we were practiced. I was blitzing him Larry's left. I was coming from the right, he was, I was coming on his left. He literally should you not? He All he did was he was back in the stats and how they was like this, and I swear to god, I flew about five yards sideways in the air. Now,

Larry was so so damn strong, it's crazy. It was. It was next level. And that's so I think it was. It was either two thousand five or two and six or two thousand and seven. I believe you guys had at least five or six plus Pro bowlers on that on that team was one of one of the years. And I'm kind of saying, what's what's going on there now? And I understand it the way it looks to me, what what the Cowboys is that they're not playing for the coach like or the coaching staff or whatever that is.

But you know, I've been on teams where you know, he got Lorenz O'Neill, Ladany and Thomas and Philip rivers Um, Nick Harward Christ all these guys that Jamal Williams. If you wasn't doing what you're supposed to do, the players kind of controlled the locker room. So how how was it when you guys were playing if something was going on right now with the team, Because that that didn't happen when you were there. If something like that was going on right now, what would that locker room be

like the locker room? I mean, you you don't let family business outside the locker room. That's football, one on one, that's code, you know what I mean. You just don't. You don't air out family business regardless of what the situation is. That's just the way I was brought up. Today's age, and what's going on now with the Cowboys is I mean, there is I think the coach has lost the locker room and they're I mean, they're at

a disarray. It's like, nope, it's basically players versus coaches the way I'm feeling, you know what I mean, And there their players rebelling regardless of the outcome of the games and how they how they're looking. I'm sorry, I couldn't step on the field and look like that. I'm even if we're getting beat, I'm gonna be rough housing all boy to those double zeros in the fourth quarter.

I don't care what it is, but what they're doing right now in the football field is I mean, it's a disgrace to them, It's a disgrace to the organization and it's a disgrace to um, to the coaching staff. I don't know what needs to happen. I don't know if the coaches need to be relieved or some of the players need to be relieved, but somebody needs to drop that hammer and let it be know like this

is unacceptable. I mean every NFL team in any given Sunday, like we all know, can it can win, but they can't win the way the Cowboys have been losing, like I mean, it's it's very sad to watch them no effort, Like how do you how do you suit up on the NFL team and not have zero effort? You know what I mean? Like, at what point somebody just get a fifteen year opporunity just the social aggressive to get get get everybody fired up, no doubt, and and and

I and I said the same thing. And I remember, I remember that when we started off one in three and on uh in the two thousand and I believe it was two thousand and seven, one just one in three, I mean, Philip Rivers, we we kicked all the coaches out the meeting room and we got after it. I mean, you've got guys mother after each other point, you know, we got after each other and not to me, all the great teams, and we finished up thirteen I believe

thirteen and three that year. But to me, that's what the great teams do. Like the players always ran the locker room. Like we had coaches that everybody didn't agree with or didn't like it as much or whatever. But as you said, like that film is still on. So whatever you put on film, whether you're gonna be playing for the team or not, like that next team looking at you, dogging it on the play, not running the sideline the sideline or quitting or getting blocked and being

okay with it. And what piss me off the most is when Andy Dalton got hit right when that late hit. For me, if somebody was to hit Philip Rivers, then it would have been a fight. I would have got to I would gotta fight that we got ejected. Something's gonna happen with that very next play. If he wasn't ejected, we were coming after him, period, because we wouldn't. We wasn't gonna let that slide exactly without a doubt. I mean, I'm surprised the office alignment and run over there and

jump on top of dude. Like I mean, I mean, if that sorry Doak is out, you know what I mean. Now he's quarterback one, you have to do everything to protect him, you know, regardless of how this season is going, how the game is going. That forget quarterback one. That's your brother, you know what I mean. That's family. I don't I don't care if I didn't get along with somebody, but that's my guy, you know what I mean. And

ain't anchor. I mean just because I pick on him, I don't like him, that doesn't mean you can mess with him like and that's not there, Like the the togetherness, the familiness, the brotherhood, I mean that to me, it's out the window, like I mean, nobody got I mean, we find it's like those fighting words like we even lights out, let's go, it was on, it was on it. But that that to me, that told me a lot on where the team was and how they felt about

each other. Because either we're getting not as kicked out there you hit the quarterback late and you that kind of hit man where you can change somebody's career type of type of deal. That game is not gonna be able to zoom like we it's gonna people get injected, people getting fined, and we're all gonna be happy about it. To let it be known that it's not going down like this. But when you when guys out there and you're okay, Like I look at the sidelines out there,

and I see nobody yelling at each other. I see nobody getting at each other's faces like nothing. And on top of that, as you said before, you got you got guys that are airing out. Um you know, family business, locker room business, to reporters that we all know that's no no. And one thing that I always try to tell players that if you're talking to report or somebody on the side, you gotta understand they have a more

of allegiance with the ownership and the front office. So you think that that's gonna be a one on one conversation, they're gonna go back up and tell who it is without a doubt, even when they tell even when they tell you they're not, even when they tell you that they're not going to go up and the way, oh it's between us, it's never between us. They got that allegiance to that general manager, to that owner, and they will literally do everything they can to find out which player.

It was then the leak in leak in the business. Yeah, and they should be going up. I mean that's just how I fail. I mean, it's just writers writers right and wrong is wrong, and that they were all way in the wrong. I don't care what happens. I don't care if you get cut. You know what I'm saying. You still don't talk about things that you have. I mean, there should be some type of confidentiality within your brotherhood, you know what I mean. Like, for instance, there was

a play like in seven are Sex of seven? Thing was a seven that I get blamed for, and I take the blame and I would never mention the guy's name whose fault it really was, Like, I mean, I took all the blame. Like, I mean, from that day on, I was deemed a person that couldn't cover. I couldn't

do this and it wasn't even wrong. Man. I was in switch coverage and I had to tight end over ten yards and they which the team did, I mean they literally ran the tight end twelve yards right right by me, and so I had to take them, you know what I mean, And so I got blamed for um the deep ball. I mean, they came back, and it was Washington resting as they came back and beat a Santana Moss went over the top and I had

Chris Cooley and I get blamed for it. And I don't even I don't even mention my teammate's name that that had him, you know what I mean. It's like, now, I take it, I eat it. I mean whatever, as long as you guys know that that wasn't my responsibility. But I'll take it. And I still don't even talk about my teammate that whose man it really was. I don't even say his name. It's I mean, that's just cold,

you know what I mean. But that's what But that's what not only good teammates do, but good teams do you know what I'm saying, Like nobody, nobody is gonna come out the first thing if we lose something like that, the first thing I would come out and say, look, I need to get to the quarterback. You know, the quarterback had too much time. It's not that all the

blitcher was this. And you know, I've seen a couple of guys came out of the locker room on the defense side of the ball for the Cowboys and they he basically said the uh that the defense too complex, right, that they need to like dumb down the defense, which he probably what he probably was right. I mean one he probably was writing what he said, that they need to let guys go out and play football. And I had um, I had Wayne phillips On just a few weeks ago, and wait, you know, ways, my guy, man,

I love Way before. I still say, look, way put me in so many great positions to go out and make plays. But I knew the first time that the quarterback had too much time or somebody had too many passing yards on us. I was like, look man, we gotta get to the We gotta get to the quarterback or I gotta get to the quarterback. And that's what good teams do, not throwing guys under the bus. Man.

This is I don't think I've ever seen, especially from from the Cowboys, man, And just the defenses you guys had, and I still talk to the markets we're here and there too. And the type of teams you guys had from like oh two onto I think it was like two thousand eight or nine or something like that, where you got just stacked, had a touch, had a ton

of talent. And I've never seen anybody on that on that team that you guys had put what's being what's being put on film right now, what's going on right now is just atrocious. It is. I mean, it's it's difficult to watch. I mean, it's at the end of the day, even if the defense is complex, at the end of the day, the rules of the defense is tackled the ball carrier and there is no excuse for effort when it comes to being a complex defense or not.

You gotta do, you know what, go to the balls to talk of the ball caring, regardless of the yardists that they get, are a negative play that you you make. It doesn't even matter at the end of this excess and nose tap of the ball care instead of you know what I'm saying that it's coaching making a too complex. How about you reaching between your legs see if you feel anything, and if you do, you need to man up. I mean, that's just the way, that's just the way

I was brought up. I had Mike Zimmer, you know what I mean. I had I had, I had um. I had broken pieces of a nose from a punter's nose in my knee and it was hurting like crazy. And you know what Mike Zimmer said, He said, you're all right. He was like, you're fucking right, You all right, get your ass back in the game. Broken knee, brad, broken pieces of card lage from a punter's knee in my knee, and even still put me back out on the field. I mean, that's just where it was. I mean,

I did. I mean to tell my coach, no, shoot man up, you got to. But but see that's why, and that's the way I knew about it. You put fingers back in place, you dislocate your shoulder, you go on the sylin, buy the towel, put that thing back in place, you run back on the field. You know, that's the mentality we had. And I'm trying to stay away from being the old guy now. Like you guys

aw that. You don't want to do that. But it's like, man, you got these guys with big contracts, you know, and I love to see guys get paid with the Marcus Long has got that contract. I was, I was, I don't even know him that well or whatever. Being a former defensive player. You see somebody scored that big, You're like Yo, that's that's that's outstanding. You love to see guys get paid. But then you see I'm going out

there and and go several weeks without getting sacked. You're like, yo, listen, You're go earn that money, dog, you know, because you you know you're messing enough for other people. You know, they're gonna stop paying guys if you disappear. Yeah, they're gonna call that back if you don't, if you don't produce. I mean, I'm all four guys getting paid. I mean, I think it's a beautiful thing. Um, it's a long

time coming. Um, but your play, honestly, your pay has your play has to back it up, you know what I mean. And your effort has to back it up. And your leadership has to back it up. And those three things have not been displayed through the organization thus far every game that they played. I mean, that hasn't. They have no leadership, They have no heart, they have no desire, they have they have nothing. Right now, they're just guys out there on the football field running around

with their heads carf. That's just how do they fix up what? You're like? What do they you get rid of? Coaches? At that point you start getting rid of guys like what would need to happen? I honestly don't know how you fix the number one problem starting off with and that's hard. How do you how do you fix how do you fix hard? How do you fix effort? Like? I mean, that's why I said the code it's way past the coaches. I mean, it's the locker room was lost because at the end of day, I don't know why.

And they may have these conversations, but even if they have these conversations, their play in the film that they um they leave for the next opponent. They see no effort, they see no heart there. I mean, it's like, you know when you see an offensive linement that gives you some tips that you know you can you know, um

take advantage of you looking at your chops. Every team right now on offense are licking their chops to play the Cowboys because they know that's an easy buck fifty Russian, that's a that's that's three bills passing, you know what I mean. They are looking their chops. It's like at the end of the day, you have two men up and play. I'm not I'm not being old school or anything. It's It's about pride at the end of the day.

It's like the start that's on the side of your helmet, whatever team it is, are the name played on the back of your on your jersey, that should mean something like my when I played, my biggest thing was do not get embarrassed in national televised ev because I know my boy's gonna climb me and I do not want to let my family down. That was it. And I wanted to knock somebody out and laugh with Darren Woodson about it. That was my rules myself. Was simple. It

was so simple. And they don't. They don't have that fire, like I don't understand why they don't have that fire, Like, dude, I played nine years. That nine years went by so fast, Like, do not take these years for granted, because you're not gonna be able to give them back. So you have to make the most of every opportunity, and every with every game that they played, they're letting opportunities slip away. It is hard to get to the playoffs. It is not an easy thing. And their play I mean, it's

just like they do not care. I don't know how you fix that. I truly don't. And the it's not gonna help from a coach's perspective, because the coaches haven't done anything, um thus far. That proves to me that they're even uh, the relationships even salageable, you know. So I don't know, it's crazy. Yeah, no, it is crazy. So what else you got going on? Man? Because I know you got to you got the security company, right, Um, so you tell tell me a little bit about it.

So um back so everyone. So, when I was playing in Dallas, I always wonder why guys moved back to their college towns. And there was an opportunity for me to go to Columbus, Ohio. And I've seen Eddie George at restaurants here, at real estate, and I was like, you know what, when I'm done playing, I'm gonna move back to Oklahoma. I don't know what's gonna happen, but

something's gonna happen, you know. And So after I played my Tears in Cincinnati, I moved back to Dallas, and I just I just felt like it was a dark cloud over Dallas, just the way how that whole thing ended. I was like, I gotta go. So I left, packed my staff, moved down to Oklahoma, and um, I was doing some silar reporting at U wasn't really for me because I didn't want to have to go back over from study, learned people's names, and I just didn't want to do it. I just couldn't do it. Um and

then um um. I was talking to my cousin one day and I told him, but I think I want to get some investment properties. And I was like, well, he needs to me one of my clients. And so I met Bill at one of his properties and we were talking, and um, one thing led to another. He asked me what I wanted to do, and I was like, I think I want to get some investment properties. Are

I want to be in business. I want to be my own boss and asking what you know he was doing and he's like, well, I own a security company before. I'm thinking about getting back into the security business. And literally God put it in my heart to say to speak, and I spoke and I said, um, what do you want another partner? And he was telling me about, you know, his following out with his partner, and I told him a little bit about my back story as far as

having some fallouts with some dudes back in Dallas. We met about six or seven different times and we started our company. And we founded our company two thousand and twelve. Around that time, we probably had about twenty employees. We were operating about three states, and now today we're in twenty five states and have over two thousand employees. Yeah, that's big man. So so how can people look it up? Well, how do you guys getting you know, the bulky of

business like referrals or what's what's going on? It's it's pretty much word of mouth because it's actual physical guards. Like so at a office building, are the stadium, are anywhere you see security guards. UM, that's pretty much the iner. And we don't. We stay away from like seven elevens and high risk areas where liabilities high, so like nightclubs, seven elevens, just liquor stores, anything that UM has high

risk and liability, we try to stay away from that. So, UM we we do a lot UM across the different state somewhere. We actually have government contracts as well. UM so we worked for the government. UM also UM but UM Global Security Corporation dot com is the website, UM so, I mean that's how you can easily end I'm on LinkedIn and all the other social media stuff. So um, I'm easily accessible for sure. That's dope, man. I always

try to tell guys um, because it's not easy. I don't know if you had it, but my first two years, even I went straight into the broadcasting thing, I was still sent back like it didn't feel right, you know what I like. I don't know whether like mentally I couldn't move past the game right away, or like I didn't know what it was. Maybe I felt like, you see guys out there, you're sitting on the couch, like I can go do that right now, you know, maybe

you're watching guys you know you can still play. But I wasn't really comfortable, man, until about two years of being done. You know, even when I was behind the booth and some days I didn't want to watch football, like I didn't want to turn the TV on, I still had to talk about it. So I watched just enough and knew, as you said before, the guy's name so you know, so got me to play. I'd go

and talk about it the next day. But I just didn't feel comfortable because those first two years, that transition. I don't know what it was for you, man, but for me it was it was a little bit difficult. Yeah, well for me, it was honestly, the way I played was I mean, I really didn't watch much football because I just love to play the game. And I didn't really watch much film. I mean not film, but like actual games. I'm studying my film. But as far as

watching games, that just that wasn't me. I just wanted to play football and that fun. That that was literally it. And round of six or seven when they implemented the horse collar tackle, I mean that honestly sucked the life out of me for football. Um. I felt that, Um, they were literally targeting me, and I just felt I

just didn't it wasn't fun for me anymore. It's like it's like having a pit bull and you have that we were a dog signed on the door and a burglar tries to come in and the dog attacks him, doesn't doing his job, and then you recommend the dog. I mean that's how I felt. It's like, Dude, I came into this league. I was here to knock people out and then all of a sudden, now you guys want to penalize me for what you guys brought me here to do. Like I mean, it just it just

wasn't fun anymore. So, you know, my my last two years and Cincinnati, I mean it was it was blessed to get two more years, but this wasn't fun for me anymore. So when I retired, I was done, Like I was done done. I didn't watch. I mean I had literally probably last year was the first year I really started just watching and just seeing schemes and see how they're you know, attacking people. But um, but now

I was done, like I was so done. I mean it's football is and this honestly, to this day football is really not even enjoyable to me to watch because it's not my solid football. I mean it's it's it's more of a fluff fluff NFL than what I was brought up on. What do I tell you, man, the game The game missed guys like you and me coming up and being drafted No. Five. Um, and I think you came into oh one, oh two, right one or

two years oh too? Yeah, and uh, just seeing you and just one of the guys I enjoyed watching, man, So I appreciate you for coming on. And I gotta get out there, man, one of these days. I've been out there a couple of days and a couple of friends of mine have there in the casino business. They got that big casino out there, so I gotta I gotta make my way out there sometime soon. Come on. Most definitely, I appreciate the love and respect my brother, uh,

mutual respect for you as well. I mean, I, um, but you are dude, you are more than welcome to come out here to Oklahoma. Um. I got a lot of land out this way, and I mean we will do a lot of honey. Okay, let's do it. We'll go. We'll go hard hunting with the dogs and nothing but nins, no guns. I'm with it. I'm with it. I'm with it, all right, my man. They appreciate you again, dude, thank you. Okay, you got it. Thanks guys for listening. Then another podcast

on the Lights Out podcast with me Sean Merriman. Uh, and that was great man to have Roy Williams on. He literally was one of the last of the dying breed of guys who came in before they started to implement a lot of the new rules in the NFL. As I always say, I don't want to be one of the old guys and say, oh, you know, the game is soft. Now the game is different. I wouldn't necessarily call it soft for the game that's different. Guys like him, guys like me, could not play in today's game,

I can tell you that much. He has a ton of great stuff going on. Has his security company Oklahoma. He's also offered me to come out there. I've never been hunting before, so uh, maybe my first hunting trip will be with Roy Williams, one of my favorite players to watch. Again, Thank you guys for listening. I appreciate all the reviews. Keep checking us out and uh leaving us leaving us comments and reviews. Man, we're getting some great feedback in We're gonna turn this thing up again

next week. Thanks again, m HM